Defkalion News Conference: Who Will be Watching?

This Thursday at 14:30 Greek time, Defkalion Green Technologies s.a. will be holding a news conference in which they say they wiill be revealing more information about how they plan to bring E-Cat technology to the industrial and home markets.

To those who are following the E-Cat story this event holds a lot of interest, because we realize this technology has the possibility to be truly revolutionary once it is put to use in real-world applications, but at present it is unclear whether many people outside the relatively few enthusiasts will pay any attention to this event. But people really should tune in, if possible. Right now the world’s attention is focused on Greece because the country’s financial condition is so poor that it has the potential to trigger a new round of global financial tremors. If they were really paying attention, however, observers might find in this Defkalion news conference a reason to feel more optimistic about the future of Greece. It could prove to be at the heart of a new energy revolution and the launching pad of new E-Cat based technologies.

Possibly Thursday’s event will come and go without causing any change in opinion about Greece, or the future of the world’s energy industry, but it is also posible that some may come across information presented that will make them sit up and take notice. We don’t know who from the press will attend and so what the impact wiill be, but it might be worth it for readers of this site to give a heads up to friends and aquaintances about the conference. You never know what the tipping point will be that will bring knowledge of the E-Cat out of obscurity and into the global consciousness.

  • Waiting

    I’ve never understood why Rossi says the e-cats will be connected in series. It seems parallel would be easier to control. I always assumed that series somehow made the plumbing easier. But now he’s answered that question several times. The answers are incorrect thermodynamics.

    The purpose of an e-cat is to heat a length of pipe. You then run water through the pipe, and the water/steam heats up. But the effect on the water is the same whether you do this in series or in parallel.

    Suppose you run the water through two e-cats in series, flowing fast enough that it spends one second in each hot pipe. In that case, the water/steam will heat up a certain amount. Now change it to parallel. Each drop of water will go through only one e-cat. But you’ve split the flow, so it’s only flowing half as fast, so it will spend two seconds in that single e-cat’s hot pipe. So whether it’s in series or parallel, in both cases the water spends an equal amount of time inside the hot pipes.

    A drop of water heats up the same if it spends 2 seconds inside hot pipe, whether that pipe is heated by one e-cat or two. If all the e-cats are at the same temperature, the water heats equally both ways. And if it converts to steam sometime during that period, the steam heats equally both ways.

    Rossi talks about this several different times on this page:

    He says that the water gets hotter in series than in parallel. Higher “delta T”. That’s simply not true. He even compares it to putting batteries in series. It’s not at all like that. If you put two 1 volt batteries in series, you get 2 volts, and in parallel you get 1 volt. But if you flow a certain amount of water per second through two hot pipes, the temperature change and heat absorbed is exactly the same in series or parallel.

    An H2O molecule only cares about the temperature of the heating pipe, and how many seconds it’s inside the hot region(s). It can’t magically act differently if the pipe is heated by one e-cat or two.

    • Waiting

      Andrea Rossi
      June 19th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
      Dear Argon:
      The series connections are necessary when you must reach a delta T that a single cat is not able to reach. If you have to reach differences of temp. that a single cat can reach, then serial connections are not necessary, as you correctly say.
      Warmest Regards,

      This answer isn’t just a misunderstanding because of the language barrier. It’s very clear. And wrong.

      • The problem is super heating the steam so it is completely dry and can reach higher temperature.
        The first stage of e-cats will heat the water to the boiling point (100°C), then the second will heat the steam up to 500°.
        A single e-cat would have problems to stabilize the power so to completely vaporize the water and obtain the right temperature of the dry steam.
        The same could be said of using them in parallel only.
        Rossi wrote the 1 MW plant will be made of e-cats in series and parallel connections.

        IMO, the configuration will be something like:
        100 e-cats in parallel, connected to 20 e-cats in parallel, connected to 10 e-cats in parallel.

        • WaltC

          So sort of what I hear you saying is that the “1st stage” e-cats are optimized to operate in the range of 20°C-100°C and with heat transfer to water and the “2nd and 3rd stage” e-cats are optimized to operate in the range of 100°C-500°C and with heat transfer to steam– something like that?

      • John D

        The E-Cat reactor vessel is small and therefore has a very small surface area for heat exchange. To try to heat steam to a high temperature with a very slow flow rate would end up with a poorly controlled output temperature. Something that is unacceptable for process heat.

  • Ribot

    Scrivo in italiano così faccio prima… Seguo l’avventura del Sig. Rossi come assistere a un thriller, entusiasmante. Mi occupo di R&D nuove energie, in particolare sulla gravità. So bene cosa vuol dire la “sofferenza” continua per abbattere gli ostacoli tecnici, ed è il meno, ma sopratutto l’ignoranza, grettezza e invidia di una moltitudine di soggetti che a vario titolo e più o meno consapevolmente ostacola il lavoro di una vita. Caro Rossi sono felicissimo nel sapere che un uomo e concittadino come lei, ha saputo spuntarla e alla grande come sta facendo. Sono d’accordo che lei abbia preferito passare l’atlantico (scelta obbligata) e sopratutto che abbia trovato l’ambiente giusto in Grecia fra tutti i paesi europei. Il vero banco senza appello per drizzare il un paese schiacciato dalla moneta debito e dalla corruzione a tutti i livelli e grazie alla sua invenzione si realizzerà un nuovo paradigma di una società meno oppressa dagli interessi privati di pochi, penso al dollaro/petrolio. Forza Andrea!

  • demolay

    According to this greek site they will announce an investment of 400 million for the construction of 3 plants
    Translate this page for more:

  • jeremy

    I bet 1000 bucks that we won’t see any 1 MW power plant by the end of 2011. Or by the end of 2012. Or by the end of 2013. There won’t be any power plant, of any size, based on the E-CAT, anytime soon, in the next 300 years. And the reason is: the E-CAT is a fraud. It doesn’t create more power than it consumes. It’s just an electrical water boiler with 95% percent efficiency, nothing more.

  • Wes

    The heading of this article refers to “Greek time.” What is that? Based on their economy I suspected they live a separate dimension, now this headline seems to secure that notion.

    To Jeremy’s point, why not? Flight was developed in a bycyle shop. Why not develope low-energy nuclear reactors in a cappucino shop? At the very least I see a huge potential for e-cats at Starbucks.

  • to Jeremy

    Why do you think that the e-cat is impossible? You think it is impossible to decay/fuse Hydrogen atoms and receive energy from them? It is impossible because the laws of physics? Who has defined those laws – the people – the same people that has claimed that the Earth is flat and everything rotates around it, the same people that did many things very wrong very often… Take a look at the Universe and what is happening in every star – this same reaction. Hydrogen is producing energy by the pressure of gravity. Inside the E-cat Rossi can’t create the same gravity as in the star’s core, however he can use some form of catalyst to achieve the same reaction and he has done it.