More Details About Rossi’s October E-Cat Demonstration

As October gradually approaches people who have been looking forward to the the unveiling of Andrea Rossi’s first power plant are wondering what to expect at the public demonstration. Rossi has provided a few more details about his plans for the event.

Rossi received a question from Nobel Prize winning Physicist Brian Josephson who asked regarding the October demonstration,
“Will it be done in such a way that people are sure about the amount of water/steam coming out of the reactor, and how dry the steam is (which affects the heat content)?”

Rossi responded:

1-The 1 MW plant that we will start up in October will be tested, on behalf of our Customer, by very, very high level world class scientists. You are in the list, so please, if you want and you can, take free the last week of October.
2- The test will be witnessed by several very, very high level world class scientific journalists
3- The E-Cats we are working with now in our factories, which will be the modules of the 1 MW plant, are producing perfectly dry steam, mostly without energy input, as you will see yourself if you will honour us with your presence.

If Josephson, being a Nobel prize winner were to be part of the testing team it would surely lend some credence to Rossi’s claim, especially if there were other scientists of Josephson’s calibre. As far as the scientific journalists go, if Rossi is expecting to be covered in “important” scientific publications, he should hope to attract journalists from such word-famous publications as The New Scientist, Scientific American, Nature, The Economist, Time, Newsweek and major world newspapers and television channels. If only Web-based journalists and bloggers cover the event, I think there would be much less of a splash.

Ultimately, however, regardless of the journalists and scientists at the event, the products will do the talking and as Rossi has always contended, the validation will take place in the marketplace. Working plants that can provide useful power at a much reduced cost will not be able to be ignored.

  • timycelyn

    It’s getting really close now. In some senses, closer than the date indicates, as far as working on the 1Mw unit in Florida is concerned.

    The demo is sceduled for last week in October. So counting backwards:

    1. Arrive at Defkalion premises, bed it down, unpack, test after shipment, contingency time to fix anything damaged in transit, final rehearsing for demo etc: 2 weeks.

    2. Door to door shipment time from Florida to Defkalion, import/customs etc.: 5 weeks.

    3. Getting it ready for transit, sealed up, etc. 1 Week

    4. Fiinal Florida test and internal sign off is therefore 8 weeks back from date of demonstration.

    Which means all other work on the unit must be completed by the end of August. We should be hearing pretty definite noises from Rossi by around the end of next month….

  • timycelyn

    1 Mw plant timings – news from Rossi. Rossi has now made the following comment on his blog:

    “Dear Georgehants:
    I am afraid that this year I will not have holidays. I don’t even have time to sleep enough, actually. I have calculated that I have to increase to 18 hours per day my shift, to be sure to arrive with my 1 MW plant ready by the 20st of September; from 20 Sept throug 10 oct I will use the plant closed doors, by myself, then it will be placed in the factort of the Customer, to be started officially within the end of october, after a further period of operation with closed doors.
    Warm Regards,

    This has some of the activities I guessed in my first mail, but the timings are getting perilously close. Actiual sailing time from Florida to Greece will not be much less than 21 days, and there will be loading/unloading, customs, and inland transdport on top of that, which is where I got 5 weeks from – possibly a slight over-estimate.

    If I understand what he is saying, they are working in Florida on the 1MW until 20th Sept, then testing until 10th Oct, then shipping. If that were the case, it would only arrive at a Greek port – assuming no delays at the US consignment end – around 30th Oct…? Am I making a wrong assumption somewhere, or, sadly, is the demo going to slip?

    The only way it makes sense is if the plant has already sailed, and the finalising he is talking about is going to happen somewhere close to the final location (Defkalion/elsewhere in Greece/ maybe Italy?)


    It’s not in a shipping container, and (at considerable expense) is going airfreight….

    A little confused….

    • Thon Brocket

      Tim,how about: Ship the container / boiler assembly ahead of time, perhaps with a spare. Get it plumbed in, whatever, in Xanthi. Air-freight the tested E-Cat slugs JIT. Fit. Light blue touch-paper. Retire.

      • timycelyn

        Yep – that could work. A bit hair raising at the Xanthi end, Rossi would be suffering from too little blood in his adrenalin stream……

        Mirco – I wondered about that as well. It would mean he had to abandon the shipping container concept that he appeared to be planning on using. but its not essential to anything that he does it that way…

  • Given the size (2×3 m), it can be moved by air with a commercial airplane.
    Nothing prevent the generator to be tested and them disassembled and reassembled at the end location.

  • Brad Arnold

    The Golden Equation

    Ni+H+KaCO3 (heated above 70C at 22 bars)=Cu+lots of heat

    Sure wish the US would incorporate dramatically lowered energy costs in their budgetary projections. Obviously, GDP (and thus tax revenues) would grow very rapidly, and state energy costs would be much lower. The future’s so bright, we gotta wear shades!

  • Thon Brocket

    Hypothesis about E-Cat operating temperatures: Rossi has stated that the E-Cat can deliver temperatures up to 500 C, and DGT have confirmed steam at 414 C. Now the higher the temperature and pressure of steam, the more a steam-turbine likes it, in terms of output and efficiency. So why is Rossi acting coy about this, and telling us that he prefers to work at around 200 C? That’s way below optimum.

    The blokes at TalkPolywell may have an answer – operating at higher temperatures may increase the amount of dangerous radiation emitted. It’s to do with isotopic concentrations of nickel. Ni58 produces lots of radiation in the reaction; higher-mass isotopes Ni63, Ni64(?) much less. I’m no expert; I’m just relaying this.

    Thon Brocket (who plays Jimbo Stoner on TV)

    • timycelyn

      There’s some recent stuff on his blog about this. It seems to indicate that when the temperature goes hogher, stability of reaction becomes more of a problem. (Not to exclude the possibility of increased radiation as well).

      I was wondering if he had some sort of trade off going on, high gains (or even self sustain) at stabler low temperatures, but when he goes to higher temperatures he has to wind the gain way down, back perhaps to the famous 1:6, to keep it under control. That’s the typical type of thing one might expect to come across….

      • Thon Brocket

        I have a work-up of some E-Cat-related analysis / business ideas which might interest you. Please contact me at injunear2000-jimbo(at)yahoo(dot)co(dot)uk if you’re interested in looking at them.

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  • daniel maris

    There seems to be some sort of trade off going on – I agree with Thon and Tim on that.

    I’ve looking into Stirling engine technology before – a possible solution to converting heat to steam – but apparently it is a far less reliable technology than a steam turbine.

  • Rick Gresham

    I never made it to chemistry class. Can someone tell me what Ka is as in Ni+H+KaCO3 ?


    • DanD

      Good question. Perhaps a calcium (Ca) typo, or Potassium with a pinky twitch. Or, maybe it came out of someone’s ass along with a monkey.

  • David

    I doubt the October ‘demo’ will anything more than a scaled up version of what we have seen so far – a magic show with Rossi in command, the purpose of which is to keep the song and dance going, while Defkalion ropes in more rich idiots to its investment pyramid. Nothing Ive seen so far has been convincing. The units displayed so far don’t even have any negative feed back controls to keep them stable – they have to operated manually via Mr Rossi staring at his laptop and performing tweeks to the heater and water pump. And at the same time ‘market ready’ units have been produced and are being tested? Anyway, the proof of the pudding is in the heating, to adapt an old saying, but I’m willing to bet that we will see endless ‘unavoidable’ delays from here on out, which prevent anything getting out from under Rossi’s control for independent testing. Looks like a scam smells like a scam, probably is a scam.

    • Stuart

      Which power company do you work for???????????????

    • H. Hansson

      David, exactly what is “smells like a scam, probably is a scam”. Hey… Absolute NOTHING seems to work as a traditional scam.

      Scams are normally focusing on individuals with a lack of commonsense. Defkalion is focusing on the corporate market, a market that is far harder to con than the private market (corporation use lawyers, contracts, installation certificates, banks etc.).

      And IF Defkalion is the victim, it is hard to see how Mr. Rossi should be able to have any money out of the project. Actually, he serve his head on a plate when he sign a contract with an American company, in jurisdiction where he lives, owns and runs a business.

      We simple have to wait 2 months more to see if this is a scam or not. Until that we should be more careful to shout “scam” Or endorse it. This is a “I believe it when I see” it situation.