E-Day Thread: Rossi’s 1 MW E-Cat Plant Tested By First Customer (PESWiki: “Customer Satisfied, Sale Made”)

It’s October 28th in Italy and today’s the day when Andrea Rossi’s 1 MW Plant is going to be tested at his Bologna factory by consultants from an unnamed American Customer. Rossi has said that the contractual terms are that the purchase of the plant is dependent upon it providing six times more power than is input. If the plant does not meet this guarantee, he will have two months to rectify the problem.

Prior to the test noises from the Rossi camp sound quite postive; Rossi commented yesterday:

“Now it’s 4 p.m. of the 27th, and we are finishing the cosmetics of the plant. I think tomorrow we will make, with the help of God, a good job. My work, basically, is finished. Within one hour the Consultants of the Customer will arrive to start the check of all the parts of the plant and prepare all their stuff for the test of tomorrow. Until some hour ago I felt a strong pressure, now, at the eve of the battle, as usual, I am recovering all my coldness and calm. We are ready.”

Consultants are already involved in setting up for the test, and sometime tomorrow the plant will be started up. Rossi has said there will be no live streaming video (a condition of the Customer), but that every hour he will post updates on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. The test will apparently end at around midnight Italian time, after which video is supposed to be released. We don’t know all who will be present, but Sterling Allen of PESWiki is already in Italy and will no doubt be providing all the information he can.

Let’s try to use this thread to keep track of the latest information coming from Bologna. We will be keeping our eyes and ears open for any news we can get coming out of the test, and would be very happy if readers could post any updates and news in the comments section below. Thanks in advance for everyone’s help with keeping up with this fascinating story!

9:00 GMT

According to Sterling D. Allan of PESWiki and Daniele Passarerini of 22Passi (see below) a reporter from the Associated Press will be present at the demo. The AP is about as mainstream as they come, so this should help tremendously with spreading the word about today’s event.

Peswiki’s coverage of today’s can be found here; Daniele Passerini’s Tweets can be followed here

12:00 GMT

No updates from Rossi himself yet on the JONP. Sterling Allan reports he is not permitted to report until after the event is over. Daniele Passerini tweets,”AP has the exclusive of the day, a troupe of TG2 that was presented was sent away for this reason.” TG2 is a TV channel from the Italian national broadcasting company, RAI.

12:34 GMT
Forbes comes out with a new article dealing with the E-Cat. This time a more negative piece about Rossi’s entitled, The Relentless Pursuit of Magical Energy. The author is arguing that even if Rossi is right it will take a very long time to have a significant impact.

12:54 GMT
Passerini tweets, “We are self-sustaining with an abundant buffet :))” Sounds like they are eating well!

14:46 GMT
Wired.co.uk posts a new article ny David Hambling about the significance of today’s test: “Cold Fusion: Future of physics or phoney?”

18:06 GMT
From Andrea Rossi’s JONP site:

FIRST INFORMATION REGARDING THE 1 MW PLANT TEST:
WE SARTED REGULARLY THE TEST THIS MORNING . EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL SO FAR. THE 1 MW E-CAT IS WORKING IN SELF SUSTAINING.
TONIGHT I WILL PUBLISH THE NON SECRET REPORT THAT THE CUSTOMER WILL RELEASE.
WARM REGARDS, I HAVE TO RETURN TO THE PLANT. SORRY, I CANNOT ANSWER TO THE MANY COMMENTS I AM RECEIVING. I WILL PUBLISH THEM PROBABLY I WILL NEVER FIND THE TIME TO ANSWER.
WARMEST REGARDS TO ALL,
ANDREA ROSSI

Happy noises coming out of Bologna!

18:06 GMT
From PESWiki: Q & A just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during self-sustain; customer satisfied; sale made; more later.
— SilverThunder 11:07, 28 October 2011 (PDT)

22:386 GMT
Excerpt of Rossi’s review of today’s test.

22:386 GMT
Tour of the 1 MW plant in operation

Oct 29th 01:25 GMT

From Andrea Rossi:
HERE IS THE DRAFT OF REPORT OF THE 1 MW E-CAT TEST of October 28th
http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk
PLEASE EXCUSE US FOR THE EVIDENT TYPOS, BUT IT IS PARTIALLY HANDWRITTEN AFTER MIDNIGHT FROM VERY TIRED PERSONS.
WARM REGARDS,
ANDREA ROSSI

Oct 29th 01:25 GMT

NyTeknik’s report of the today’s test:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece

PESWiki’s report:
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/

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  • Slashdot abuser

    First post!

    • me

      First reply, to first post!

      • rantanplan

        oh no.. just the second 🙁

  • Achi

    E-day. Perfectly named.

    Have we reached the climax of the drama? If the customer says the e-cat passes the tests, this is only the beginning.

    • YES!!! Let October 28, 2011 go down in history as E-DAY!

  • Achi

    I just found this out, but if you search e-cat on the google green custom search you get a result.
    http://www.google.com/cse?cx=011704114419844767318%3Axks2cwbe1ne&ie=UTF-8&q=e&sa=Search&siteurl=www.google.com%2Fgreen%2F#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=e-cat

    I tried energy catalyzer, Rossi, LENR and fusion with no results.

    So my question is why would they put the word “Cat” and a lone “E” as keywords? Or am I wrong in my assumptions, seeing as how I have limited knowledge on how the search engine works.

  • I love it. “E-Day”.

    We have a page at PESWiki to keep each other up to date on today’s events. Bookmark http://RossiColdFusion.com which I’ve set up to forward to that page.

    Sterling (in Bologna, to attend later today)

  • Jojo Jaro

    Where is Rossi posting his promised hourly updates?

  • Marco

    This is the day, the day that your invention Mr. Rossi changed the world. I thank you for all of your struggles and persistence in the face of nay sayers and muckrakers.

  • arian

    The Associated Press reporter would be present at today test..

    Sterling D. Allan

    AP Writer Approved

    I just spoke to Andrea Rossi by phone. He invited me to come earlier than 11, at 9:30 am [GMT+1], as they “are ready”.

    He said the AP writer from NYC has the address, and is approved to attend; and I will meet him this morning.

    He asked me to postpone posting the PowerPoint presentation Hank and I prepared for the event until tomorrow.

    I’m going to go catch breakfast.

    http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:October_28%2C_2011_Test_of_the_One_Megawatt_E-Cat

  • Prediction

    Prediction: One of two things will happen. Something else will NOT happen.
    What will happen:
    Either the device is ‘not ready’ due to unforseen technical details, and those details will not be specified.
    Or the device will be demonstrated just like before: A big box, and it won’t reveal anything.

    What will NOT happen:
    The demonstration will NOT give any insight in the inner workings of the device.
    The device will NOT be examined.

    All that will happen is that the inventor shows his trick one more time, only with a bigger box.

    There is another person who shows you something incredible and will NOT submit to examination.
    When you step up to the stage to examine his device he kindly pushes you back and tells you: “Let me show you one more time…”.
    This is however perfectly acceptable. It’s his job. He is a magician.

    My prediction: All that will happen today is Rossini who has said “Let me show you one more time…”

  • Franco

    22passi Daniele Passerini is attending the Test… and started twitting:

    Ok ora che è uscito su PESN non son più vincolato al segreto: l’ASSOCIATED PRESS ha l’esclusiva del test di oggi. 🙂

    ok… as PESN already published, I’m no longer bound to secrecy: The Associated Press has the exclusive test today. 🙂

  • Paolo

    22passi Daniele Passerini
    Ok, now that it is appear on PESN I’m bound to secrecy no more : the ASSOCIATED PRESS has the exclusive on today test. 🙂

    • Paolo

      ops…..scusa Franco (sorry)

      • Franco

        Don’t worry Paolo we’re all exited….. and with crossed fingers… 🙂

  • Daniele

    will this be THE DAY?
    I live in Bologna, this morning I waked up with a lot of hope for future… I hope this night I will sleep with a bit less questions and a bit more answers…

    • True Spence

      Is this going to be the day the world changed? I certainly hope so!

      It is totally impossible to imagine what could come of this. I am hoping with every fiber in my being that it works as advertised!

    • Daniele, Can you visit the facility with a camera and post some pictures? The world is waiting for any kind of news.

  • Paolo

    GO Mr. Fusion! GO!!

    • Johannes Hagel

      We learned that it is not Dr. Rossi himelf to conduct this test of today. If the secret customer is real and if it is truth that he is supposed to pay for the plant then his judgement on todays test will count.

      I pray to God for the highly needed positive result!

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  • Blanco69

    Are they going to run the hot water down the drain as usual? We’ll have to look out for teenage mutant ninja turtles in the sewers oh Bolonga tonight! Good luck Rossi!

  • arian

    Prof. Sergio Focardi
    Today’s the day! The technicians of the “Secret Costumer” Tester 1 MW plant built with the E-Cat Eng. Reds. This is the first test without direct control by Rossi, and will bring many new features. Will be online at midnight on a full report on the experiment, and will appear in the following hours of video. Work all the apparatus? The stable production of cheap energy is ensured? Who is the secret shopper? So many questions will be answered maybe. Meanwhile BiblioMaker this link to collect all the information about the network from which it can slip something on the experiment …

  • arian

    Sterling D. Allan

    I’m here at the 1 MW test. They asked us not to report until after the test. Waiting my turn to go see.

    • Jason F Mullis

      Hopefully you are present for the dawn of a new era. It seems it would be no less if this technology proves itself, and I’m crossing my fingers for everyone.

  • Ing. Livietti Francesco Novara

    Un caloroso “in bocca al lupo”all’ Ing. Rossi e alla sua Equipe!Con l’aiuto del cielo,questa data segnera’ la storia contemporanea.
    Certamente il test avra’ vasta eco in tutti i media a partire da domani.Attendiamo con fiducia la commercializzazione dei sistemi E-Cat.Buona Fortuna!

  • Franco

    TG2 italian mainstream RAI national television (Channel 2 News ) was not allowed to attend the test…
    … ASSOCIATED PRESS has the exclusive ( for today’s coverage ).

    • D R Lunsford

      ROFL! Rossi likes to stick it to the large Italian bureaucracies! Che cosa un uomo!

      • cappe_74

        That would be “Che uomo!” … He’s not a “thing” 🙂

  • arian

    @22passi

    We just self-sustaining with a buffet! :))

    • From Sterlings site

      I just got back from my turn. I was able to shoot a few pictures and take some video. The reason for the embargo on taking photos was personnel reasons. They don’t want the engineers and testers to be shown, to keep them confidential. The company doing the testing does not wish to be known at this time.

      A quick comment from the AP writer who is here. The lack of coverage from the mainstream media is not due to lack of interest but from the lack of cooperation from Andrea Rossi. He has turned a lot of media away who have wanted to come in. The AP writer has gained Rossi’s trust over time, and hence was invited to be here today.

      Rossi will be sending us all the data this evening.

      Wish I could say more, but it will have to wait. Great day so far.

      • Matt

        Makes sense, huge test to prove your machine works and you only invite one AP writer that you are fiends with.

        If I were going to unveil a new energy device and wanted to show people it worked I think I would invite as many people as I could if I knew it was going to work.

        I hope the e cat works, but it seems like nothing is straight forward the e-cat and Rossi

    • daniel maris

      I’ll have some of that.

      If this does go well today, I hope everyone is going to take a trip to the JREF Cold Fusion Forum to tell them so. They’ve been very annoying these last few weeks.

  • arian

    new wired article about today test.

    Cold Fusion: Future of physics or phoney?

    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/28/cold-fusion

  • Mike Cheek

    I must confess that in spite of myself I will be following this event. I work as a chemical engineer in downtown Houston and have to deal, I suppose, with the realities of practical implementation of technology every day.

    The negatives, of course, have already been mostly identified already. Most of us, I’m sure, don’t want to put our full trust into this yet because we don’t want to be like Charlie Brown who eternally gives in to Lucy and goes and tries to kick that darn football only to land flat on his back.

    However, a couple of comments on the engineering aspect. First, I see it as a postive that an independent entity is conducting the test. Rossi provides his “black box” portion, and the other entity provides the rest. IF we have been told the truth, it seems this is the best way to go about it.

    Secon, IF this black box (whatever it is ) actually has a good net output of energy, there remain a number of engineering activities. These activities are all able to be accomplished, but they will require both some technical competency as well as engineering management.

    One question will be just how hot can this device get the water / steam? If it is limited to hot water or lower pressure lower temperature steam, then there are limits to its overall efficiency. This can still be a good thing, but if the black box can heat steam up to a high temp / high pressure, then its theoretical efficiency can be much higher.

    One practical question is environmental. If we have a bunch of nickel or nickel / copper, we have to deal with heavy metal disposal or (better) recycling. If we have home heating units all over the USA (for example) then we have many small sources of heavy metal contamination, if just thrown into local trash. Again, not an insurmountable problem, but one that we engineers will have to deal with. No doubt a recycling program could be implemented.

    There is also the safety issue of safely storing and handling hydrogen. Again, not insurmountable, but it must be addressed.

    All of this to say that there will be a requisite capital cost for each unit created. This is why I think a company like G.E. or Westinghouse or one fo the energy companies would more likely to be the customer. Google, Microsoft, these are smart computer guys, but for this kind of development, to go from bench trial to pilot plant to full manufacturing, you need chemical and mechanical and power / electrical engineers, with a few physicists and chemists sprinkled in to give advice. Enough said!

    • JohnR

      Unless there’s something odd about the copper/nickel, smelters should be able to find uses for it. It can be considered a heavy metal mixture, but one hopes the U.S. coins made of cupronickel are not very toxic.

  • I don’t care if “cold fusion” works or not. What’s important is that we as a society continue to find more efficient, cleaner, economically feasable ways to convert energy into a usable form, store it, and delivery than what we have today. Once you find such a thing, repeat this process of continuous improvement.

  • Franck

    I don’t understand why the italian government haven’t financed the tests so they can own this invention. If this technology works, it’ll be THE energy of the future and the owner one of the leading country in the world.

    • Zed

      Italian government financing anything about scientific research?

    • inane

      Because its probably a scam?

    • Hampus

      Italy has an idiot for president. He only cares about getting tail and having power.

    • The device is not “cold fusion” (no loss of mass or consumption of hydrogen). It is just a variation of my Lyne Atomic Hydrogen Furnace. Rossi is using Nichrome resistance heating wire to dissociate the hydrogen. The (nickel) “catalytic metal” shown in my 1996 drawing is not essential, as the heat produced is just the product of the re-association of the hydrogen atoms to the molecules. Contact with any metal surface brings this about. See http://asse.altervista.org/altrascienza/html and http://asse.altervista.org/lahg.pdf . William R. Lyne

  • Sean

    Daniele Passarerini is has a nice spread
    http://yfrog.com/hs6dppsj

    • Francesco CH

      Advantages of testing in Bologna!!!

  • NewIntellectual

    Watching and waiting with baited breath, if the test suceeds the world could be changed forever.

    Wishing you all the best Mr Rossi

    LJMU School of Architecture

    • zav

      There are others working on LENR approaches that are promising and have been demonstrated to work.

  • Sean

    So what happened to Rossi hourly updates. Would like to hear from him the progress of the tests!

    • Chibiu

      Just one more false promisse from that scammer.

    • alexvs

      Please, do not bother Mr. Rossi. Besides demo you could not expect from him that he also produces hourly info.

    • JohnR

      We’d all like to get updates, but if you’ve ever been involved in the start of an engineering project you’d know that there are always issues to deal with. Silence could mean that it’s a real project and he’s busy answering the client’s questions (I’m assuming the client’s consultants are currently operating the equipment so he can’t touch it). Or maybe the client prefers no updates, to reduce the chance of loss of anonymity. If this were a scam and he’d offered updates, it is likely that he’d have made certain that the updates would be made (and he’d have a script for them). I am extremely skeptical of this project, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for one more week. Having a specific deadline like this is rather odd for a scam, particularly if he is indeed still visible.

    • Guy Ben-Zvi

      Rossi’e first report is up on his blog:

      Andrea Rossi
      October 28th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
      FIRST INFORMATION REGARDING THE 1 MW PLANT TEST:
      WE SARTED REGULARLY THE TEST THIS MORNING . EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL SO FAR. THE 1 MW E-CAT IS WORKING IN SELF SUSTAINING.
      TONIGHT I WILL PUBLISH THE NON SECRET REPORT THAT THE CUSTOMER WILL RELEASE.
      WARM REGARDS, I HAVE TO RETURN TO THE PLANT. SORRY, I CANNOT ANSWER TO THE MANY COMMENTS I AM RECEIVING. I WILL PUBLISH THEM PROBABLY I WILL NEVER FIND THE TIME TO ANSWER.
      WARMEST REGARDS TO ALL,
      ANDREA ROSSI

    • JD

      I wonder if the “hourly updates” promise was just a hoax.

  • Chibiu

    The “consultants of the customer” are just actors hired by Andrea Rossi.

    Just actors. This is all fake.

    • alexvs

      No, no. They are not hired actors, they are Rossi’s fans. Do not be cruel.

    • Zed

      probably true but then from where would come the money?
      he’s telling that he has already sold the rights to this customer after all.

    • Sean

      I doubt that it is fraud. I don’t get the picture that is what rossi is about. I think he has some eccentricities, but I think there have been plenty of notable people in the past who has also been a little eccentric. There is also news of a respected american scientist who has replicated the results of rossi’s ecat.

  • arian

    #
    Andrea Rossi
    October 28th, 2011 at 10:37 AM

    FIRST INFORMATION REGARDING THE 1 MW PLANT TEST:
    WE SARTED REGULARLY THE TEST THIS MORNING . EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL SO FAR. THE 1 MW E-CAT IS WORKING IN SELF SUSTAINING.
    TONIGHT I WILL PUBLISH THE NON SECRET REPORT THAT THE CUSTOMER WILL RELEASE.
    WARM REGARDS, I HAVE TO RETURN TO THE PLANT. SORRY, I CANNOT ANSWER TO THE MANY COMMENTS I AM RECEIVING. I WILL PUBLISH THEM PROBABLY I WILL NEVER FIND THE TIME TO ANSWER.
    WARMEST REGARDS TO ALL,
    ANDREA ROSSI

    • alexvs

      Just what I said, Mr. Rossi is over occupied with the test itself. Let`s be patient.

  • Nick Pourmi

    “Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved.” Winston Churchill.

    Today the destiny of humankind may be at stake.

  • Az

    #
    Andrea Rossi
    October 28th, 2011 at 10:37 AM

    FIRST INFORMATION REGARDING THE 1 MW PLANT TEST:
    WE SARTED REGULARLY THE TEST THIS MORNING . EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL SO FAR. THE 1 MW E-CAT IS WORKING IN SELF SUSTAINING.
    TONIGHT I WILL PUBLISH THE NON SECRET REPORT THAT THE CUSTOMER WILL RELEASE.
    WARM REGARDS, I HAVE TO RETURN TO THE PLANT. SORRY, I CANNOT ANSWER TO THE MANY COMMENTS I AM RECEIVING. I WILL PUBLISH THEM PROBABLY I WILL NEVER FIND THE TIME TO ANSWER.
    WARMEST REGARDS TO ALL,
    ANDREA ROSSI

    • Az

      Sorry Arian, this time I didn’t notice your post.

      • arian

        lol
        not problem at all.

  • Sean

    On the Oct. 6 test, only one core was used and was not running as efficiently as possible. This test is isn’t just a test to prove functionality but to show it can get the 6:1 energy ratio. Is it safe to assume that they will be using all 3 cores of each ecat and trying to get the most possible out of the 1mw power plant?

    • In self sustain mode this thing is getting WAY MORE than a 6:1 energy ratio. It does use a little bit of energy to keep the “frequency” going, but it is surely getting hundreds to 1.

  • D R Lunsford

    Sterling reports that the plant is operating in self-sustain mode (per Rossi)!

    -drl

  • arian
    • guest1

      Just now from PesWiki:
      Q&A just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during self-sustain; customer satisfied; sale made; more later.
      — SilverThunder 11:07, 28 October 2011 (PDT)

  • D R Lunsford

    Q&A just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during self-sustain; customer satisfied; sale made; more later. – Sterling

  • guest1

    Q&A just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during self-sustain; customer satisfied; sale made; more later.
    — SilverThunder 11:07, 28 October 2011 (PDT)

  • s

    Per the link below, Peswiki states that the customer was satisfied with the test and the plant was sold. I really hope this news is accurate.

    http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:October_28%2C_2011_Test_of_the_One_Megawatt_E-Cat

    • Sanjeev

      The numbers, tests, watts nothing matters, because it all comes from just one man.
      What actually matters is who is the customer and whether they are a reputed independent party. If so, you do not need any further proof.

      However, if the customer is someone unknown or (worst) a friend or relative of Rossi, then nothing has been cleared.

      Can the people present there at least say if the customer is a reputed big name , without revealing their identity ?

      • arian

        customer is a giant american company.

        • Sanjeev

          Who has confirmed that ?
          It is very important that a third party says so.

          If you recall the DWave quantum computer case, everyone believed that they are scammers, until US military bought the product for millions. This silenced the skepticism for once and for all.

  • Sanjeev

    New made it to slashdot front page. About 500 comments. Mixed opinions.

    http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/10/28/030244/1-mw-cold-fusion-plant-supposedly-to-come-online

  • alexvs

    Is anyone still believing this story? Those who do, deserve more attention. For those who do not, the whole thing is irrelevant.

  • s

    470kw out of a supposedly 1MW plant might be acceptable if the total long term energy COP is still 6 to 1. But, if the COP dropped to ~3 to 1 long term then this might not be considered overunity. This is because the conversion efficiency of heat to electricity is about 0.3 to 0.33. hopefully, the long term COP is still around 6 to 1 even though the output seems low. We will have to wait for the final report still…

    • rantanplan

      The 470kw was in self sustain mode. So the COP is much much better then 6 to 1 !!

      • Hampus

        We don’t know the overall input power yet. How long time did it take to per heat the device? Let’s just wait for the numbers and AP,s article.

        • rantanplan

          My answer was just for the stated 470 Kw during self sustain.
          The overall COP will be different of course.

    • alexvs

      470Kw, even 470Mw means nothing. Energy gain must be measured in energy units, joules or Kwh for instance (power x time). For that is so important that the test extends for a reasonable time interval which excludes any possible trick. A reasonable interval time could be more than 100 hours and after that, a very careful measurement of every physical magnitudes involved in the process should be performed. If the customer is satisfied after 10 hours test, ok. God bless him.

  • Sev

    I thought it was supposed to be a 1MW plant, so why only 470 kW? Why would the buyer be satisfied after only a few hours running at half the described power output?

    • Sev

      Nevermind, didn’t see post below before.

    • alexvs

      There are very naive customers. Here has been speculated about Google or Microsoft being the misterious customers. By no means firm minded people as those would accept such a demo.

    • alexvs

      But not so naive.

  • Ze Priquito

    I know what happens next: Rossi will say that the 1 MW plant was sold to the “customer”, and the “customer” will now start a “research and development period”, and by requirement of the “customer”, everything needs to be secret from now. He will never post again in his website, and will disappear. Nobody will ever hear of Andrea Rossi again. Never.

    • alexvs

      Could be so. What shall not happen is that you will have definite and uncontestable results.

    • Doc Brown

      I cannot help but speculate that this supposed big US customer is likely one of the giant oil companies, and Rossi’s machine did indeed work to enough of a significant degree to worry them, and therefore shall be quashed.

    • Hiatus

      I hope that now you will never be heard from again.

  • Az

    http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:October_28%2C_2011_Test_of_the_One_Megawatt_E-Cat

    1MW plant test: full report coming soon.

    –Francesco 12:39, 28 October 2011 (PDT)

    • alexvs

      Please, define “soon”.

  • Al D

    I believe that Rossi had said that the 1 MW plant would be split into two 500 KW plants. the 470 KW is probably the output of just one of those. Probably the customer only brought metering equipment for 1 plant and that is all that is running.

    • alexvs

      Maybe Mr. Rossi has splitted the 1 Mw plant into 10 plants. So the efficiency of 1 tenth is much more then expected.

      • Rob

        Or perhaps 100 really efficient ones? 😉 It’s all pure speculation until the reports are out and/or the identity of the customer is divulged. It’s prudent to withhold judgment until then. I’ll admit that Rothwell’s comments are disconcerting.

  • Az

    http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg53758.html

    Re: [Vo]:ideal client

    Akira Shirakawa
    Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:53:57 -0700

    Interesting comment on 22passi blog by an unidentified user (who appears to be truthful), translated in English by me. I think he mistook kW and MW with kWh and MWh:

    * * *

    I’m back from Via dell’Elettricista [Rossi’s factory location in Bologna]. What Sterling Allan says is what Rossi said during the “press conference”, so it’s the truth, for what it’s worth.

    I can confirm that steam couldn’t be seen as it was being condensed. Measurements should have been done by a certain engineer Fioravanti (I believe on behalf of the “very important customer”).

    Not everything went well (the usual [leaking] gaskets, the self-sustaining reaction that was in danger of runaway, etc), but 470kWh (even if not 1 MWh) without input power (excluding that of water pumps) couldn’t leave room for doubts.

    Rossi will send a report (written by the customer’s consultants) to the attendees, but he’s already read it aloud entirely during the press conference in both Italian/English versions.

    There were many Swedes.

    Stremmenos, Levi, Ferrari were quite serene and attentive. Anyhow, either everybody made arrangements [to fake a succesful test] or it’s all true.

    * * *

    Cheers,
    S.A.

  • Hari

    I have never heard of such a secretive experiment complaining that media is not giving them sufficient publicity.

    If this indeed is a false claim then this will only discourage people from trying and hoping. Again, if it is a false claim what in the world these morons get for staging such a drama?

    • JD

      “Sale Made”

      • Ryan

        “Sale Made” to who though? His cousin Rico from Palermo? I hope it is real but so many crucial things “need” to be secret.

    • alexvs

      Very good observation.

  • alexvs

    My LT being two hours more than site time I wish good luck and good night to everyone (Mr Rossi et al included). We will meet tomorrow.

  • Slashdot abuser

    I feel like its christmas 15 min before opening…

    Hope I will find what I was looking for, a new era beginning.

  • arian

    There is an interesting comment from an user on Passerini blog “From what Rossi said the customer is satisfied, they have found an agreement and the reactor-s development will continue in the customer s laboratories in order to make it reliable and ready for the market, at least this is what I understood”

  • Az

    Here’s an excerpt from Rossi’s report on today’s results http://youtu.be/7sZHOQ6P-Rw . I hope to have a story up at PESN by 1 am Italy {+1GMT}

  • Marc Fouchi

    A video walk-around of the ecat plant and test equipment during testing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFiJb2UhzqY

    • daniel maris

      Wow! Fantastic to see this thing pumping away. Someone will have to explain what exactly is going on, though…I see water tanks…a generator, the E cats… what looks like cooler fins…

      Is this the day that changed the world?

      If so, from now on 28th October will be World Change Day.

  • Az

    Here’s a video of today’s 1 MW E-Cat while being tested. Video starts and ends with radiators http://youtu.be/uFiJb2UhzqY

    • thebigmoose

      One observation, where are the fans on the steam to air heat exchangers? Did I miss them? 200 Kw each without convection fans?

  • rantanplan

    and now.. the REPORT! http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk

    • rantanplan

      Question to myself.. did I just post the report I was waiting 10 month for?

      • rantanplan

        Prossecco and Report.. nice!

        • Slashdot abuser

          open the champagne all of you my friends!

    • Ryan

      What does it say? I am on work computer : (

      • rantanplan

        conclusion:

        the results of the test are satisfactory to accept the delivery.

        Reserves: Some leaks etc……

        • rantanplan

          signed by domenico floravanti ..

        • Ryan

          Thanks

    • Rob

      So, when do we find out who the buyer is? Enquiring minds want to know!

      • Zed

        sull’allegato “page1” la parola cancellata a penna sembrerebbe essere “colonel-engineer”…

        • Zed

          pardon, wrong language – On “page1.jpg” the hidden word looked to be “colonel-engineer”…

          • frigate jenkins

            Page 3 has one line in italian scribbled out, and the second line in english. The 2nd line looks like it says ‘For Leapfrog Corporation,’ though 2-3 of the letters are harder to make out.

          • Rob

            That’s Rossi’s guy’s signature. It’s LEONARDO corporation.

        • Rob

          Are you implying it’s the military?

          • Zed

            not necessarely, a lot of corporations uses ex-military tecnician as consultants.
            but the word looks like that, nothing else its implied.

    • thebigmoose

      Two observations:

      1) The test protocol sheet is not up to the standards a fortune 50 US multinational would expect.

      2) If the Italian firm was contracted, their engineer would be making a recommendation for acceptance, not outright acceptance to the US sponsor.

      1 and 2 lead me to believe there is NOT a large fortune 50 US multinational behind the curtain.

      • Rob

        That’s a pretty reasonable assumption. Since Manutencoop is a company specializing in heating and air conditioning infrastructure, it is likely they are investing in the unit for their own development. I thought the same thing about the spec sheet. Not what one would expect from an engineer, really.

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  • This sounds “too good”. I hope it’s not untrue! Just imagine if we could make use of such a technology to transition away from our use of oil, NOW!
    -Steve

    • Check out nickelpower.org. It has a great picture of how the world will change with this technology.

  • Cara de Chibata

    Nice. A “report” full of typing errors, with anotations made by hand with a pen…

    And signed by an ITALIAN engineer, when the “customer” was supposed to be an AMERICAN company.

    S-C-A-M

    • Luca Salvarani

      “And signed by an ITALIAN engineer”

      Many thanks by all italians for your bias! you wouldn’t believe but we have much more than pizza, spaghetti and mandolino… I love USA and Americans, but you are a very stupid one!

      • Cara de Chibata

        I’m not American. I’m not saying Italians are not competent people. I’m just saying that it’s strange that an AMERICAN company sends an ITALIAN engineer. Shouldn’t the company send their own engineers?

        • Luca Salvarani

          1- Indeed the american company didn’t sent and italian engineer! He was already there! And this is why it didn’t use its own engineers (apparently)!
          2- We don’t know if eng. Fioravanti is just an italian engineer, or the American comporation’s engineer of italian nationality… Probably the american customer is a multinational corporation active all over the world so it’s plausible that they have also a presence in Italy and Fioravanti could be one of their employee…
          3- It’s ridicolous speaking of a scam only for the engineer nationality or because of handwritten part of a document…! I can accept skeptics, I respect them, but this is a very stupid argument!
          4- Before speaking of a scam look at the results: from 12.30 to 18 total energy consumed 66 kwh, total energy produced 2,635 kwh… isn’t enough for you? What other technology can reach this result?

    • Because the American company hired an Italian company to do the testing rather than ship some American engineer into a foreign environment, pay for hotel stays, deal with jetlag and be easily traceable back to the American company, right? Scam for sure. Absolutely. Must be. Yup.

  • Very, VERY cool tech!!

  • Someone

    The XLS document contains “Manutencoop Facility Management” in the metadata 😀

    • I Know
      • Ryan
      • Someone

        If it’s a scam, I’d have to admit, this guy planned it well 🙂

      • PersonFromPorlock

        Manutencoop appears to be a major Italian building management company, which would explain their interest in a technology with obvious heating applications.

        Or maybe they were the caterers… or somebody borrowed a camera.

        That the company’s not a US one flies in the face of Rossi’s legendary consistency, of course. ;^)

        • Weird

          One more lie?

          Wasn’the customer a “large American company”?

          Or Manutencoop was contracted to do the tests by the “real customer”?

      • My guess is that “the company” hired manutencoopfm to provide technical consulting services. In the real business world, that is how things are done.

        • Rob

          That makes a lot of sense, since they are also involved in heating and A/C applications.

    • Ryan

      Hahaha

  • s

    The “test data” released seems to be three pages of typed “test protocol” or something with handwritten numbers added plus an excel spreadsheet with only temperature in and temperature out. Unlike the Oct 6 test, it is impossible to calculate energy with the limited information given in the spreadsheet.

    The energy calculation has reverted back to the “heat of vaporization” argument and not the heat exchanger methodology used on Oct 6. They calculate energy in as 66Kwhr and energy out as 2635kwh. This gives a COP of ~ 39.9. This COP seems shockingly high. I recalculated the “power cycle” COP (COP ignoring energy to heat the core from 25C to ~115C initially as this should only be done once per 6 months) for the Oct 6 test and arrived at a COP of ~5.85.

    If the customer agreed to use heat of vaporization to determine energy and will pay for the plant, then that is something that is undeniably positive. I would like to see more data to make my own calculations however. I would also like to know why the COP for this test is so much higher than the Oct 6 test.

    • I Know

      Because they are using A LOT of E-Cats, not just one?

      • Luca Salvarani

        Yes!

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  • Franco

    1 MW E-Cat Cold Fusion Device Test Successful

    http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/

  • Francesco CH

    Article of Ny Teknik about the test on the 1MW plant:

    http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece

  • The Hated Skeptic

    Using the averages it appears as though the claims are correct however I am concerned that steam flow rate was not measured. Also for input power it says 66 KWH. Was this total metered power or per hour? How do we know that the heated water was ever turned into steam and that they overcame the heat of vaporization?
    The reason that I ask this is that it takes ~67 KW to convert 675.6 L of water from 18.3 degrees C to 104.5 in an hour. It takes an additional ~423 KW to convert it to steam. If they were using 66 KW/H and not converting to steam then they invented a very efficient water heater……

    • Roberto

      A water heater: a mass clean energy during winter.

    • rantanplan

      They divided the water from the steam. Read the report before you ask the same question in at least two different places.

      • The Hated Skeptic

        So how pray tell do you blow all the steam into a condenser and yet still measure how much water was not turned to steam? It betrays reason.

  • Nicholas

    So I just need to let this out.

    If there is anybody out there.

    I started reading about this… about a week and a half ago? And there almost seemed to be some element of credibility to it, in the story’s second-guessing, quasi-critical tone. After all, it’s not completely unthinkable that some incredible discovery could be made that changes the fabric of our society overnight. There are no laws prohibiting it, anyway. Obviously there is some immediate skepticism just because the nature of the claim – and the number of scam artists who have tried this in the past.

    I am just a layman when it comes to the subject of cold fusion, so my initial impression was that it wasn’t real – but to be honest, if I had checked Wikipedia and it said that it had been proven to exist in 2005 or something, I wouldn’t have been surprised (obviously not the case).

    The first thing that threw me off wasn’t the articles. It was the comments.

    I know my internet brethren – and we do not respond like *this* to a story like *this*. Am I the only one who feels like these comments are flooded with fake people? I’m not even talking about all the obvious (“how could it not work when he clearly says it does?”) fakes, but I mean even the people who seem somewhat real, but are talking about something else. Why is everyone’s first response not a mix of “okay show us the proof, or we won’t indulge your claims” and “YO DAWG i heard you like feeling like the worlds falling apart so i made a fake solution to your problems so you can feel like the worlds falling apart while the world falls apart”? You guys, everyone realizes this is officially ridiculous, right? Obvious scam. But now I’m also self-conscious because I feel like I may have just accidentally wandered into a corner of the internet where only people who google “cold fusion” this week have noticed this story, so really I’m just in an empty room yelling to myself.

    Thats all.

    • Matt

      I’m a layman as well, but I’ve been following this since January. At times this has seemed pretty crazy, but things keep progressing. I’d like to think this was a scam, but Rossi’s stuff keeps working. So far nothing says this is fake except the too-good-to-be-true-ness of it all. Everything Rossi does can be rationalized away as protecting his own self-interest and makin sure he profits from this supposed amazing invention. I can understand why people are skeptical o his secrecy, but I think you have to ask yourself, if you had in your hands the next revolutionary invention, wouldn’t you do everything you could to make sure you were the one to profit from it? It his right to do with it what he pleases. Eventually it will be figured out and reverse-engineered. But hey if it’s a scam, I lose nothing for being optimistic. That’s why I can’t understand the uber-skepticism. I’m not an investor, and the rewards greatly out weigh the risks, as far as I’m concerned.

      • 0mega

        If I had invented the means to bring everyone on the planet free energy, I would release it into the public domain. I can’t grasp how one could put his own greed before the needs of billions of people.

        • Rupert

          Oh really? If you had been forced to sell your house and business to continue the research while surrounded by lazy sceptics who won’t lift a finger to do their own game-changing research, would you REALLY want to reward their bad behaviour and give them free cake after all your hard work? Besides, it always seems to be a game of “who steals first, wins”. In my experience, large corporations are extremely conservative and risk-averse. Someone would immediately steal the invention, sue bribe or persecute anyone who tried to use it, and do whatever it takes so that the invention does not threaten the status quo of their business.

    • Robert

      My first reaction to this concept was of similar incredulity. I have a different history on the topic, however.

      I was first introduced to the concept of “Cold Fusion” by Steve Jones at Brigham Young University… where I was taking an engineering-level undergraduate physics course he was teaching at the time. In the middle of explaining Newton’s laws and going (briefly) into Relativity, he also spent a couple class lectures about his efforts with Muon-catalyzed fusion (showing a film about the concept to the class) and then announced some of the work he was doing in regards to the use of Palladium to help facilitate fusion more directly. Mind you, this was about two weeks before Pons & Fleischmann made their now infamous press conference. Dr. Jones showed some of the findings he had to the class, and mentioned a future press conference he was going to have after a research paper he was jointly working on (apparently as a reviewer originally… a long story on that one) with some guys at the University of Utah.

      Knowing some of the student research assistants working on the project (who I met after this whole fiasco), I’ve seen the results and I know that “cold fusion” actually does work… although the conclusion I got from almost everybody involved is that it was more of a toy process that was useful for research papers, graduate thesis, and conferences. It certainly wasn’t anything useful for production of power. Essentially something like the Farnsworth-Hirsch Fusor that also produces real fusion but doesn’t seem like it will ever be something practical for power production.

      So along comes Rossi and his claim that he not only has studied some of the concepts of Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (to distance the research from the now contaminated term “cold fusion” PR nightmare), but that he is producing power on industrial scales of production… I am indeed very skeptical. It is almost as if he has just announced a “Mr. Fusion” device like out of the movie “Back to the Future”.

      I still am extremely skeptical about the whole thing. I’ve been following this for about a month or so now, when it was posted in of all places a forum about spaceflight technologies to watch. I’ll see how this whole thing will work out, but it is based upon previous work at least in principle, and there have been incremental steps along the way to get to where Rossi is at right now. As to if Rossi is simply creating a scam based on a discredited research area (“cold fusion”) or if he has been lucky to find a combination of materials to make the concept work on a practical level, I certainly haven’t decided yet.

    • Rupert

      That seems to be they way of the world – various professions, including scientific fields seem to attract people who have a natural weakness (not strength!) in that direction. Hence the hostile bias and incredulity when something is presented that isn’t “established fact” yet. Alternatively, there could be jealous competing scientists who have attained negative results while doing similar research, not to mention Oil or Nuclear industry shills who are being paid to obfuscate the picture with noise. Or some combination of the above.

  • Ryan

    Why was there a roughly 1/2 MW generator running the entire time of the test? Not trying to be negative but it wasn’t really explained from the report I saw.

    • Ryan

      http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/

      Probably the biggest opening for skeptics will be the continually running genset that is probably rated for 500 kW (my guess), and appears to have been connected by cables to the E-Cat. “Where’s the mystery?” So knock yourselves out, skeptics. It’s the customer who has to be happy, and apparently this one was satisfied that those cables were not contributing to the 470 kW output during self-sustaining mode.

      • tame

        So the news should read some quacker sold some quackery(cold fusion reacto) to some believer. Not cold-fusion test successful. If this has to go as a real test, the external power is one of the first things to exclude from the equation.

  • daan

    Succes Mr.Rossi!

    The world needs your invention.

  • Frank

    Does Mr. Rossi hold a Doctor – Degree ???

    The Report says
    For the seller: Dr Andrea Rossi

    • Francesco CH

      ITALIAN: Dottor Andrea Rossi.

      It means that he has a master degree.

      ps
      Andrea Rossi has a master degree in Philosophy of Science, obtained in the University of Milan in 1973, his supervisor was Ludovico Geymonat. His thesis was about the theory of relativity of Albert Einstein and its relation to the phenomenology of Edmund Husserl

      • Thanks, Francesco, for this detail, that’s great. BTW, Rossi will be flooded with honorary doctorate offers in a very few years. I’ve jumped the gun and started calling him Dr. Rossi already.

        • Francesco CH

          Professor Ludovico Geymonat

          ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovico_Geymonat )

          was one of the two or three most respected philosophers of the Post-WWII Italy and one of the most
          redoubtable professor of the entire University of Milan.

  • Nicholas

    Also, to all the people who are saying things like “It was successful! It must be real because the customer went through with it!” – you are obviously (and likely intentionally) missing the point. All the people reading this – all we see is pixels on a screen. If you think anything but revealing the details of the device and having it confirmed by an independent, reputable source would convince us, you’re crazy. And you can say that Rossi doesn’t need to convince us, he needs to convince the buyer. And my response is fine, but I’m going to think he’s crazy, and anyone else who believes him (however many people that actually is) are crazy too.

    Oh, and shame on Wired and Forbes. They are the only thing that lends this hoax a shred of credibility. If you can’t do 10 minutes of reading and see how laughably obvious this scam is, give someone else the job.

    • Kio

      Go ahead and think we’re crazy. What does he stand to gain? He has taken nothing from me except a small shred of hope for the future. I have lost nothing of value and Rossi has gained nothing.

      If the “customer” is a fake then I have lost nothing and Rossi has gained nothing.

      If the customer is real then why are we having this argument? NO SANE PERSON would spend INSANELY large amounts of money on a scam. And even if they did, that’s the free market at work. They were allowed to test the device and chose to spend their money on it. If they wasted their money on a scam that’s their problem because they believed that it worked. But guess what we’ll be hearing next month… That inside the e-cats they found this chemical and that chemical, or that the device does nothing at all.

      And how do you explain the radiation?

      • JohnR

        We don’t have enough information to be sure of what is going on. You’re assuming that he has nothing to gain other than selling the system (and technology). There are other ways to make money which might not have happened yet, such as if he’s bought stock in company X and the news leaks that company X will use this technology — and money is made by selling the more valuable stock. Many of us are hoping this is real, but we don’t know yet.

      • alexvs

        What kind of radiation?

        • Robert

          Most forms of fusion, and even fission in terms of in a reaction vessel, produce free neutrons as a by-product of the reaction. Yes, I know there are aneutronic reactions that can happen, but the forms of fusion that have typically been studied because of the energies released (such as what happens inside of the Sun) typically produce radiation that is lethal at the energy production rates approaching 1 MW of power.

          I certainly wouldn’t want to be standing next to a fission reactor producing that much energy without a huge concrete wall and preferably a containment vessel with a whole lot of water in it too. A thin piece of steel from a cargo container wouldn’t be sufficient to block that kind of radiation.

    • Rob

      The earth is FLAT, I say!! Columbus is wrong!! Flat, flat, flat!!

      • Rupert

        Our organization is FAR too reputable and prestigious to publish any of this “globe” nonsense! It is established FACT that you cannot reach India by going West! It is preposterous!

    • Alexander

      “Oh, and shame on Wired and Forbes. They are the only thing that lends this hoax a shred of credibility. If you can’t do 10 minutes of reading and see how laughably obvious this scam is, give someone else the job.”

      Shame on you for trying to put shame on those people for reporting what’s been happening.
      Even if this whole thing was a complete scam, There is absolutely no shame in reporting events that are taking place, especially when the claims being made are potentially huge.
      Now, as I said in a previous post on the subject, I’m actually not convinced that this thing works yet, I don’t think the public testing was adequate, and I haven’t managed to read the latest info after yesterday’s business.
      But there is certainly no shame at all in taking notice of what’s happening, and most definately no shame on either, Forbes or Wired, for simply reporting recent events.

      They should be applauded for doing what they want to do rather than timidly tiptoeing around just to stay in good favour with all the sulky little skeptics that sit defiantly with their arms folded, shouting, ‘prove it to me, someone prove everything to me’.

    • D. Lang

      So you have to be a Forbes or Wired to be credible? I have heard more falsities on mainstream media that anywhere else, and they never feel obligated to retract it, unless it is blatantly obvious they got it completely wrong. Look how long it is taking AP to come out with their story. The blogs had it out within hours. AP probably has numteen committees/editors to go through before it is released. I bet when it comes out, it will not say much more than what the bloggers had out almost immediately.

  • Roberto

    If it’s fake: it’s a story of a fake. If it’s true: it’s a story of how patents and intellectual property can stop the world.

    • Roberto

      Sorry for myself repling.

      Hope it’s fake. Otherwise We are fake.

  • Raimundim da Caucaia

    This is a historic day!

    A great step for mankind!

    QUEIMA RAPARIGAL!

  • RD Rockett

    In the absence of truth, things become what others want them to be! …. John Burke, “The Nature of Things”

    Perhaps we.need a brighter light on this development/ process?

    Dan

  • s

    I predicted a few days ago there might be some sort of technical issue to prevent the test from being a complete unqualified success. As far as I can tell, all the tests involving more than a single ecat core lately might seem not to run more than a few hours. A power plant has to run months on end with no issues to be viable.

    The important item that has not been demonstrated is what is the COP of more than 1 power cycle? We need to see how the reactors behave when input power is re-applied after the temperature drops to close to 100C or whatever during self-sustain mode. Do the subsequent input power applied/self sustain only power cycles perform the same way as the first one or do they degrade or become unstable? I think it is clear that the initial power cycle has overunity gain. This in and of itself is a groundbreaking accomplishment.

    However, this device needs to perform maybe 300 to 800 power cycles each 6 months. The tests have shown overunity for the first power cycle, but nothing more. I really hope the multiple core Ecat works in a stable manner long term, but this has not been demonstrated to my satisfaction so far. If the customer has seen a multicore ecat go through multiple cycles and is happy with it, all is well and this post is moot.

    A detailed explanation of “power cycle” can be given based on the Oct 6 test if anyone is interested.

    • Mike Cheek

      Yes, that would be the next question, if we grant we have been told the truth. According to the published report, the system was shut down after 5.5 hours (ran from 12:30 to 18:00 according to page 2 of report) I presume customer was satisfied at that point. I wonder how long a given mass of catalyst will last. So … if we really do have a process that provides 46x energy of burning H2 we at least have something that seems to be worth pursuing.

  • Mike Cheek

    I quickly ran the numbers my own way, using BTU/lb and degrees F, then converted back. I came up real close 2,618 kWh as compared to 2,635 kWh. It looks like 1.7 kg H2 consumed, which is 3.74 # x 51,532 BTU/# = 192,729 BTU = 56.5 kWh, so this is 46 times more energy release than straight burning of H2. IF the numbers we have been given are real. So, IF we can believe what we’ve been told, this is a good deal. Now … it boils water, can we make superheated steam with this thing? TIme will tell.

    • Ronald Chappell

      to Mike Cheek, Sorry I missed your comment re. H2 consumption. Thanks also for the thermal conversion calculation.

  • Pablo Canto

    Unos meses pasaron ya desde que me enteré de este temtativo increible avance. Sin dudas, en un comienzo, fue como leer un libro de ciencia ficción. Ahora ya llegando al final de las páginas, si Dios quieres, el libro se vuelva realidad. Así lo deseo y si así es que alegría sentirme parte de esto.
    Lo felicito desde ya Señor Rossi, el solo hecho de haber movilizado tantas ideas y sueños es algo que hace bien al mundo!

  • sergio

    What I don’t understand is, if Rossi has really come up with the right recipe, why is he willing to sell it to some energy company in the US, which will simply break his plant apart, analyse, find out what the catalyst is, and mass produce their own version, thereby stripping Rossi of any further potential gains? I hope he at least took a decent sum for this plant, anything below $10mil is a waste.

    • Rob

      Probably what he has sold is a license. Presumably he is smart enough to retain the intellectual property rights. I’m sure he has an attorney to do the contract work. He may be eccentric, but he’s no fool.

      • icomefromanon

        If I was him, I’d sell the delay time between execution of his own power plants. But that’s in fantasy land where this is verified. Until it is verified independently, it is only a hopeful fantasy..

  • alexvs

    Good morning to everyone. After having read the so called “test report 28 10 11” I feel even more skeptic than ever about Dr. Rossi’s story. As I am now aware he is dottore let’s give him the right title. To say it plain: s c a m.

    However, if the “customer” is fully satisfied, if Dr. Rossi has received the requested amount, the Earth continues otrbitating around sun, nobody has been injured nor violated…well…everyone happy… happy Xmas and happy New Year.

    • Simon

      Hi skeptics!

      Before talking about a scam, remember about: 1) gamma radiation, 2) transmutation Ni into Cu,
      3) the previous very similar work (Nelson J. Gernert and Robert M. Shaubach, US government contract, 1994 !!), where Ni+H+K2CO3(heated under pressure) = Cu + lots of heat, http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GernertNnascenthyd.pdf

      • alexvs

        Ok, ok. That was my opinion not the absolute truth. By the way, I know the Gernert / Schaubach and other similar issues…

      • ItsAScam

        If this was true, the “inventor” wouldn’t be so coy and evasive. i.e. SCAM

        • Rockyspoon

          So yours is a psychological evaluation rather than anything based on data? Thanks… That’s all I needed to point out.

          • 0mega

            What is thedata worth when the whole process hasn’t been investigated independently?

      • The Hated Skeptic

        Are you forgetting that “no radiation above background was detected”?

      • Rupert

        Actually the GernertNnascent report you linked appears to suggest that the generation of excess energy is only temporary and (although I haven’t gone through it with a fine-toothed comb) they don’t seem to mention Cu at all. That said, there seems to be some missing data and some gaps in the experimentation. For example, page number 4 is missing, and the calibration data on page 30 seems to have the heat loss and excess heat values censored. More importantly, they didn’t test their hypothesis that “hydrogen releases excess heat by shrinking into hydrinos” at all. One assumption could be the hydrinos have to RE-ABSORB excess heat during desorption from the nickel and that they can’t just magically disappear, but that was never tested.

        In my mind, that report fails to properly explore the possibility (however slight it might be), that the “hydrinos” might fuse with nickel and produce copper and excess heat.

  • Francesco CH

    I do really hope that, thanks to the money given by the customer to Rossi, research at the University of Bologna concerning the E-Cat will be able to start as soon as possible

    • Frank

      By the way: Does somebody know how much the ‘secret customer’ is going to pay for the 1MW e-cat?
      The price equivalent for an second hand shipping container, or much more …?

      • arian

        2 million dollar for each 1mw unit.

  • arian

    #
    Andrea Rossi
    October 29th, 2011 at 2:37 AM

    WARNING- CORRECTIONS OF THE DRAFT OD THE TEST MADE ON OCTOBER 28TH ON THE E-CAT MW 1:
    IN THE DRAFT, PLEASE CORRECT THE FOLLOWING TYPOS:
    1- THE WEIGHT OF HYDROGEN HAS BEEN MEASURED IN GRAMS, NOT KG, AS ERRONEOUSLY WRITTEN
    2- THE FLOW RATE OF THE WATER PUMPS HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 350 KG/HOUR FOR EACH OF THE 2 OPERATING PUMPS, NOT 700 EACH AS ERRONEOUSLY WRITTEN IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH, WHILE IS CORRECT THE FLOW RATE OF 350 KG/H WRITTEN IN THE FORMER PARAGRAPH, ON THE BASE OF WHICH THE CALCULATION OG THE PRODUCED ENERGY HAS BEEN MADE. JUST A TYPO.
    SORRY, BUT YESTERDAY WE WERE VERY TIRED.
    WARM REGARDS,
    ANDREA ROSSI
    P.S. TODAY I WILL PUBLISH THE COMMENTS, BUT WILL NOT ANSWER: SORRY, I TAKE A FULL DAY OFF, TOO TIRED. GOTTA PLAY TENNIS.

  • Where can I find the Associated Press coverage of the test?
    Thanks!

    • Francesco CH

      Be patient, there is to wait a bit more

      • any news?

        • 0mega

          nope, the whole thing seems to be a hoax by rossi, again :/

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  • Mike Cheek

    Based on Mr. Rossi’s communication October 29, 2011 at 8:12 am and corrections to the draft report previously posted: I come up with these numbers:
    Report stated 675 L/hr with 2635 kWh. If instead we have 350 kg/hr (=350 L/hr) we have 1,366 kWh. If we have 1.7 g of H2 instead of 1.7 kg then this is only 0.05 kWh that could have been produced by burning the H2. The report stated 66 kWh energy input. This did not appear to be taken into account. So if we divide total energy produced over energy input I get 1,366 kWh / (66k + 0.05)= ~ 20. So based on information given we have a system that produces 20 times the energy put into it. Anyone is welcome to comment on my calcs. So the numbers look good, at least.

    • 0mega

      Well, your math maybe correct, but what does it prove? Nothing.

      1) Independent testing

      and / or

      2) Release of the theory behind it

      That’s proof. Until then, its all just a scam.

      • Rockyspoon

        So I ask you for your bank balance and you refuse, or you credit card number, and you refuse, or your GRE test scores and you refuse, so I should call you a scam?

        Can you see Epic Fail in your logic? I can.

        • The Hated Skeptic

          Think about your own logic:

          I know this works because he built a big one and says it does.

          He doesn’t have to show any sound proof.

          He doesn’t have to do anything with the device.

          All he has to do is tell you that a mystery customer bought it.

          Blind hope is just that……BLIND.

        • 0mega

          Epic fail in MY logic?

          If I invented a machine that would basically enable everyone to have free energy, I’d release it into the public domain immediately. Patents by other companies would be invalid due to prior art.

          Seriously, solving mankinds energy problems is much more than anyone could hope to achieve. I for one, wouldn’t care about the money. If Rossi’s generator works like he claims it does, he wouldn’t have any problem getting a shitload of money from investors even if he released the design into public domain.

          But whatever, believe whatever you want to, I won’t care about his stories much until there is proof – and not some fabricated, dubious media events with a mystery customer.

          • icomefromanon

            Honestly though, if this was about patents, wouldn’t this already be enough evidence that HE came up with it first? If he came out with the theory, or at least, shared it with some reliable university groups for independent verification, then yeah, we’d know it isn’t a hoax. Otherwise, he’s asking us to be FAITHFUL. He’s asking scientifically minded, rightfully skeptic people, to be faithful. To take his words by faith. I don’t believe in God, and I don’t believe in this, until I see some verification. If it’s a hoax, then it’s extremely detrimental to some reliable sources of fusion energy (ie. the Bussard Polywell).

      • Mike Cheek

        I agree, actually. But I’m just trying to work with the information we have available. Trying to get some kind of feel for the magnitude of the assertions.

        If this was a real company, and they can reproduce the asserted results, then I think we’ll hear soon enough. A little more patience.

        I am not dismissing it just yet because the video of the test did show what seemed to be real equipment. It did look like a real test. I’m holding off for a little while longer. However, I still go about my life as before. I’m not holding my breath either.

      • Rob

        No, until then it is not publicly proven. That doesn’t make it a scam.

  • alexvs

    Week end. Yeah, it is time to relax, but tempus transactus, it would be healthy and sane to read what the inconditional defenders of E-Cat story honestly think of it. Is anyone dissapointed? Each of them have not the least suspcion? Was the whole stuff convincent?

  • Ellen O’Day

    Oh this is wonderful.

    As a special celebration I am offering shares in the Brooklyn Bridge as part of Dr Rossi’s legacy.

    Please send me $1000 and you will become part owner of the Brooklyn Bridge. Once I have the requisite $100 million I will rename the bridge Rossi Bridge and you will know that you have contributed to Dr Rossi’s wonderful achievement.

    Please hurry spaces are filling up fast. We have no time to lose.

    • Rockyspoon

      I’m sorry, Rossi has orders of magnitude more credability than you do.

      • 0mega

        you need to fix your sarcasm detector.

        • Hiatus

          piss off

          • 0mega

            what?

  • Jon

    All you have is his and his collegues word. There is absolutely nothing else. Test protocols and shaky videos proove absolutely nothing unless verified by a truly independent source (and, no, his statement that an ‘american company’ was satisfied does not qualitfy).

  • Hiatus

    WOW! I feel like I’m reading a forum Bastards paid by the paniced coal and oil syndicate.

    Oh wait, I am… LMAO

    • Jon

      There is nothing wrong with beeing suspicous. Beliving a claim of this magnitude requires more than the word of the alledged inventor. A new machine that solves all the world’s energy problems, almost for free, with no side-effects, something noone ever encountered before? That solves global warming, the wars for oil? Invented by a man convicted for fraud? This is just too big to believe just by somebodys word.

      Remember: All you have is his and his collegues word. There is absolutely nothing else.

      • 0mega

        I feel the same way, Rossi is known for deception and fraud. I would be extremely happy to see oil companies go down. But there hasn’t been a single shred of evidence so far. Nothing. A video and a ‘mystery’ client. A-ha.

  • Ronald Chappell

    How much hydrogen was consumed during the test???

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