E-Cat World Exclusive Interview with Andrea Rossi, May 12, 2012.

I had the opportunity to speak with Andrea Rossi via Skype, on Saturday, May 12, 2012. Below is a transcript of the interview, and at the bottom of the page links to the three mp3 audio files on which the interview were recorded. During the interview, the Skype connection dropped a couple of times, so it was recorded in three parts. I apologize for the poor quality of the audio — certainly not up to production standards. I had a Skype plugin fail on me last time I interviewed Rossi, so I went for the safe option this time — I recorded the conversation into Audacity using a built in laptop mic. Low tech, but at least I had a recording!

Frank Acland: So we are speaking this morning to Andrea Rossi who is in Miami, and its a pleasure to have you join us, Andrea.

Andrea Rossi: It is a pleasure for me to be here with you and thank you for your attention.

F. Okay, you are very welcome. I would like to start out by talking about — you mentioned recently that you have made a breakthrough with stable heat production. Could you tell us a little about that?

R. Yes, we are working right here on a new reactor, but I cannot give very much information about this because it is a work in progress

F: Okay

R. Yes, we have stabilized the reactor at very high temperatures which is very promising for other kinds of applications, mainly for electric power applications. But, but we started less than a month ago, a couple of weeks, twenty days ago with this new reactor. So far so good. Until this moment it is working very well, but I prefer to suspend any kind of consideration because, we have a record to have solid consideration to make. The work in progress is going very well.

F: Excellent. You have mentioned previously you were hoping to achieve temperatures of around 261 degrees Celsius. Has this been made possible now due to the breakthrough?

R. Well, it is probably we will be able to operate the ECAT at temperature much higher. I mean temperature that reach the Carnot cycle can have a good performance and good efficiency. And sorry…

F: So this would mean that you would not be restricted to one type of turbine. Actually different turbines would be possible…

R: Yes, because before that we were working to reach at least 260C to have with a turbine made by Siemens to have an efficiency around 20 and 25%. But these breakthrough be confirmed we will be able to reach much higher temperatures and therefore to enter in the classic range of efficiency of the Carnot effect.

F: Do you think that will make you able to be able to achieve equivalent temperatures to what conventional electrical generators use at the moment?

R: This is my hope.

F: That would be very exciting. How about the use of a Stirling engine? Is that something that is attractive to you?

R: At this point, yes. If this new reactor will confirm what we are seeing, the Sterling engine returns in the race horse. Because I can see very well. I can see very well a cylinder that would be put directly in contact with the surface, with the top in contact with the surface of the reactor so that the cylinder is moved by the temperature, and we are working on this. We will work on this design. Yes, Sterling engine that operates, until now had too low efficiency with the temperatures for we had reached so far. Becomes a player with the new higher temperatures if the data is confirmed.

F: For people like me who are not particularly technically minded what is the advantages of a Stirling engine over a conventional turbine.

R: It is not a matter of advantage it is a matter of a kind of applications.

F: I see.

R: The efficiency of a Stirling engine, well I am not honestly an expert on Sterling engines. It is not my professional skill. We have a specialist that is working on this and he is working here with us in the United States. And you know, a Sterling engine can be extremely interesting as an application for you know transportation or also other things like that.

F: Okay.

R: While the Carnot cycle and also the Stirling engine can be useful for lower power levels. While the Carnot cycle is indicated for industrial high power applications.

F: Ok. Very good. Thank you. I would like to move to the subject of certification. I know that you have said that your dependent as far as your smaller ECAT devices upon the certifiers. Could you tell us a little bit about why certification is so important?

R: The certification is demanded by law. You cannot, it is not just important, it is mandatory, because by law you cannot sell a device that is not certificated for the safety of it. And we must put an important distinction between the certification of the domestic apparatuses and the industrial apparatuses. For what concerns the industrial apparatuses we are all set already, because it is easier to get certification for that kind of stuff. Because they are operated by specialists that make a course to learn how to operate with this technology. They make an exam after the course and after the exam they are certified by us as certified operators. In an industry there are all the safety apparatuses that are demanded by law, and they are totally maintained, etc, etc. So basically the opperation in an industry is much more easy to be made in safe way. For what concerns the domestic application, the situation is more difficult because the owner of a household is not supposed to even read the instruction book, let alone the course of preparation. You know in an apartment the owner of an ECAT can be not able to read the instructions, even if they are written in an easy way. You know he can be a prime example in your house, inside your house it can also be dry and he can make stupidities. Think to the lady recently has put a cat in a microwave oven and the manufacturer had to pay the damages because I do not know if you remember the case.

F: It sounds familiar.

R: There has been a history case, you know basically so the certification for a unit in a domestic situation is much more difficult because there is not a certainty of proper management of the ECAT. So that the ECAT must be supplied with all with everything that makes it absolutely safe even if improperly managed. It is clear that the liabilities that the certificator pays are very high in the case of domestic ECAT and also our liabilities are very high. And it is unthinkable that we can sell a household unit without certification.

  • john29302

    Ah the old 1 megawatt plant has been delivered to the customer. But still no proof of this all not being a delusion or worse….a scheme. Rossi does not fit the profile of a schemer. Its possible he is a delusional nutcase. But he seems too genuine, engaging and rather honest to be an outright hustler. Like i said 1 year ago…if this is a device that is overunity of anywhere near six…it will be a groundbreaking event bigger than flight or the car. But that plant should have bellowed out tons of steam and no idiotic explanation of a dry steam. That kind of escaping heat would peel the paint off….half a megawatts worth would have blown that rooms paint off duh. think of 330 1500 watt space heaters. heat cant hide in any form. its either there as heat or its not duh. so it dont look good for old Pinochio.

    • The blue box was operating in a close loop, hence no steam was allowed to escape from the 1 MW system. The 1 MW reactor had a convector dissipating the heat it produced. If the output of the blue box to the convector was, let us say 110 C and the air flow through the convector was high enough it could easily have dropped the temperature of the coolant out to 70 C and the temperature of the air out of the convector might have been 75 C (152 F). It is just a matter of pushing enough cooling air through the convector to achieve that. I’m not sure what temperature it takes to peel paint or why you think that is important.

      • Got things turned around. The temperature of the air might have been 70 C out of the convector and the temp of the coolant moving back to the blue box might have been 75 C.

      • Tom

        May be because he has that thing in front of him and he just watched a movie that shows that. At least the sheep is trying to wake up… Let’s just welcome the sheep… but remember… keep quiet until you begin to understand what’s being spoken…
        This was for the space heater sheep, not you – Zedshort.

    • Tom

      Extensive, intensive, quality,… mean anything to you?

  • Kim

    I wish I could thank you in person Frank.

    An excellent interview. Out standing.

    Respect
    Kim

  • Ed

    He can not write software for a manufacturing factory until he gets a UL and CE approval. That makes no sense to me. If a minor redesign is needed for the certification it will have little impact on factory automation.

    • And you know this because you are an expert in such things.

      • enoughAlready

        Ed may not be a software expert but I am @Zedshort.

        Ed, you are exactly right, Zedshort you are wrong.

        The vast majority of the software could be written for both the controls of the unit as well as the manufactor settings. Any software guy worth his salt makes as many variables as possible dynamic and not hardcoded…meaning they can be changed with external files or a database….basically you can change the algorithms parameters by changing the data in the files.

        Or if you want to be really clever you can create dynamically scripted software where you literally can change the executable code on the fly.

        Either way, yes it is riduculous to hold off on software development……so apologize to Ed.

        Rossi, prove you are not a fraud and let me introduce you to world class developers from organizations(names you immediately would recognize) who would write the code for you today for FREE….
        Our renumeration would be down the road at a tiny fractional percentage with a cap out.

        You get great code and we get to see if its legitimate(and if so make a ton of money for everyone) or is smoke and mirrors and turn you out as a fraud.

        I am betting we don’t hear a word in return.

        • Redford

          Variable aren’t the only thing implied by designing control software for a manufacturing plant. If you don’t know for sure what robot you’ll have to controle, and what instruction to give, well sure you can start something. That’s called a framework, and that probably already exists. The real relevant job is actually to adapt the framework to the task. If the task isn’t defined, well you can’t.

          So what Rossi said is sensible if you have any experiment at running a whole project and not just coding. Please apoligise to Zedshort 😉

        • Tom

          “Or if you want to be really clever you can create dynamically scripted software where you literally can change the executable code on the fly. ”
          >>
          Mr. martas,
          We all differ on how good is good.
          It could be that “on the fly” part which is not ready is what Rossi is referring to. May be you function like… It’s ready, it’s ready, justlet me reprogram it… saying things to be ready at 95% level. People like me don’t call it to be ready unless it is 100% ready… including that two hour “on the fly” programming… even if it is 99.99% ready… we wait till it is 100%… to announce that it is READY… because until then, it’s NOT. Tiny fraction + capout? You think your competitor does not already have that as an established contract with him? Ready to me modified “on the fly” the moment they get certification from UL/The Insurance conglomerate/Kissinger/ the rulers of the World? As of now it is more like a Politics-Finance-Power game rather than technological game. Your comment would be valid if Rossi had said… it’ll take 6 months to make the “code changes” because I’ll do it all by myself from learning to write the code to changing the code. Why? Because he cannot trust the people who wrote the code to make changes to it?

  • Francesco CH

    F: That would be very exciting. How about the use of a Sterling engine? Is that something that is attractive to you?

    R: At this point, yes. If this new reactor will confirm what we are seeing, the Sterling engine returns in the race horse. Because I can see very well. I can see very well a cylinder that would be put directly in contact with the surface, with the top in contact with the surface of the reactor so that the cylinder is moved by the temperature, and we are working on this. We will work on this design. Yes, Sterling engine that operates, until now had too low efficiency with the temperatures for we had reached so far. Becomes a player with the new higher temperatures if the data is confirmed.

    ———————–

    Something like this (I mean Stirling engine + E-Cat):

    http://www.cobraf.com/showimage.php?image=/forum/immagini/R_123470097_1.gif

    For safety reasons, this is probably the only configuration that has a chance to be accepted and used for electricity generation at home.

    • LENR4you

      No, I think the eCat is built into the Stirling engine. Fusioned , so to speak. The working fluid is hydrogen. Advantage of this: very high power generation because the nickel powder is cooled directly by the hydrogen.
      LENR4you

      • Francesco CH

        Interesting, especially for transport means based on a stirling engine.

  • ole Blake

    Great interview Francis, I am impressed both with the reporter and his subject
    Regards
    ole Blake

  • User

    Ecat isn’t the only thing that can be a gamechanger. Take a look at, “Inteligentry and Manufacturers Gearing Up for Noble Gas Engine Roll-out”.

    • kirk

      My guess is ….
      Rossi’s E-cat better than a 50/50 chance
      Inteligentry’s Noble gas engine 1 in 1,000,000.

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  • Susan

    So Rossi, at least, is going to win all the frequent-flyer prizes by all airliners operating from US and Italy.
    Today in Miami, the day after in Bologna hard working to the get the OneMegawatt plant ready to ship to the European customer, after few hours he writes on JoNP he’s in Miami taking care of his business.
    Otherwise he’s renting one of Santa’s slide.

  • Good interview. Just one typo which appears in many places: it’s Stirling engine, not Sterling.

  • georgehants

    Frank well done, did you type the transcript yourself, quite a job.
    As has been said, if this is all a Rossi hallucination he is living it with a 100% belief in what he is saying.
    We the audience must still give this man his time to play the game his way.
    If it turns out badly then not one person who has refrained from insulting and attacking this man will have been fooled, but if he is genuine, like with so many great discoveries in history, then every person who has attacked and prejudged him has performed a great disservice.

  • Renzo

    Thanks, one of the best interviews so far

  • NEC

    The quotas on your Google Drive links for the audio files have been exceeded.

    • admin

      Thanks, NEC — will have to find some other way to host them.

  • Filip

    For me this is so far the most satisfying response of AR in months.(together with Peter Hagelsteins interview) Convincing, the public demonstration of the 1MW plant by a private customer can rule out al the doubts. Than it’s just waiting for ‘our’ home units. Is the private customer alowed to look into the Ecats core? Or is there a contract not to touch the device? Is AR coing to able to keep it a secret? Because than the Ecat can be dismanteled and that is maybe where Defkalion is waiting for. They are preparing production, they are doing everything they can do in advance, waiting for the final clue to make their Hyperion work stable at high COP.(just a thought)(Defkalion probably has seen the Ecat work as no one else did, they are convinced of the possibilities of an CF device) Hopefully we see al this happening in 2012. It was also a nice polite interview with AR, if you show respect, you can have much more info, sometimes you can feel he wants to say more, but he simply can’t.
    Sometimes it’s difficult to keep the nerves under control, because it’s al so exiting.(always think of my kids future)Thanks Frank.

  • andreiko

    Even iets over de ,STIRLING motor, een inertgas wordt aan verwarming en afkoeling blootgesteld in een geslotensysteem zodat een plunjer in beweging gezet kan worden.De motor wordt dus uitwendig verwarmt en gekoeld.De motor is al vele jaren in gebruik.De koppeling LENR>STIRLING>dynamo>electromotor lijkt mij een logisch gebruik.Een kleine accu lijkt mij voldoende.

  • Antonella

    Great interview, Frank, thank you so much.

  • georgehants

    [Vo]:Passi22 — Reply of Italian Secretary of State
    Alan Fletcher
    Google translate looks fine :
    Answer to Question 4 to 14,595 by Zamparutti Betrandi, Baker, Flour, Coscioni,
    Mecacci, the Turkish 23 January 2012 ( here the text of the question ) . must
    first be noted that more than twenty years away from the experiment of
    Fleischmann and Pons, research on so-called “cold fusion” now known as the
    study of nuclear reactions at low energy, has made ​​substantial progress, on
    both experimental and theoretical, providing a field of nuclear physics of
    condensed matter. Currently, however, there is still a theory universally
    accepted, such as to explain the phenomenon of low energy nuclear reactions by
    making, therefore, many studies still needed to clarify the theoretical aspects
    and ensure standard levels of reproducibility of experiments and be able to
    extract usable energy.
    Full text at —-
    http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg65712.html

    • Quite sensible answer. The person considers CF as an experimental fact which is still missing a theory, and without enough strength or repeatability for commercialisation at this point (apart from Rossi, who however hasn’t yet made his case verifiable enough for drawing firm conclusions).

    • georgehants

      Andrea Rossi
      May 14th, 2012 at 8:59 AM
      Dear Antonella, Dear Giovanni Guerrini:
      The false statements contained in the answer that the Italian Government guy ( a deputy minister !!!) has given are a clear signal. If you analyse the language and compare the evident lack of specific information of this guy with the arrogance of his conclusions ( for example: “the patent will not be granted in Europe”, and he knows nothing of the pending patents, or ” Rossi in some occasion said his apparatus emits radiations, in other occasions said the contrary”, which is false because I always said that no radiations are emitted to the external of the apparatuses from the E-Cats, and I always said that the low level gamma rays inside the E-Cat are turned into heat) and compare the arrogance of the statements with the evident lack of information,as I was saying, the signal is clear: lobbies bound to the government have acted. Add the fact that a person, financed by the taxpayer, is blowing on the fire to try to stop us to promote more public funding to state owned compamies that produced only chatters in 20 years of work, shake the all and the resulting cocktail is: better we stay away from there, if I want not to get stuck. We will sell in Italy our production, but will work safe in the USA and, probably, in Sweden, where we are organizing a strong organization.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

      • Sounds like overreaction. Although some sentences may be unfair to him, I don’t think one can get a better text based on the currently available publicly known facts from any government. By the way I think the google translation said that a European patent HAS NOT BEEN granted, not that it WON’T be (AB could go and check the original perhaps?). The nuclear radiation thing refers to one sentence in the leaked official document from Florida.

        I guess memories of his sometimes less than convenient past in Italy have played a role in triggering this reaction from him.

        • Francesco CH

          It is a complex thing, but Rossi is absolutely RIGHT.

          The response from the undersecretary is a sort of mafia message, better to stay away from this bunch of sorcerer’s apprentices…

          • Do you know who is the “taxpayer financed person”, Celani?

  • I realised something which should have been obvious to me a long time ago.

    Hagelstein said recently that their NANOR is a particularly efficient unit. I take it to mean that they cannot mass produce them, which is why they haven’t scaled it up. If one cannot reliably replicate a unit, scientific repeatability is problematic as well as commercialisation is not possible. This has probably plagued CF research since F-P.

    Anyway, this might explain why Rossi made the 1 MW (or 0.5 MW) October demo: to prove to a customer (probably on the customer’s initiative) that he, unlike other CF groups, can mass produce his reactors. If he shows just one E-cat, it’s a scientific revolution (once documented), but not very interesting from the commercial point of view unless one can also mass produce them. Knowing how much other CF groups have likely struggled with the production issue, it’s perhaps not surprising that that was a key requirement to Rossi at that point in time which had to be addressed by going through the rigour of demonstrating a 1 MW plant.

    In some sense this is too obvious even to say, but for some reason it wasn’t clear to me earlier (and not to Jed Rothwell and some other vortexians last autumn, as I recall). Hagelstein’s answer helped me see Rossi’s earlier doings in a new light.

    • vbasic

      Good point, Regarding replicating the process from unit to unit. Suppose to make 100 units for the 1MW reactor, they have to go through 200 or more to find the good one hundred. THEN, after they hook them all together, and turn them all on, some may still fail. But since most are working, they still have sort-of-a-1MW reactor. Which may explain why the prototype was only rated at around 500KW back in October.

      • Yes. Although I don’t mean to imply that his reactor would have poor repeatability; it’s actually unlikely since the fuel is powder. But since he doesn’t open the box, a customer takes black box approach towards testing.

  • Barry

    In my more skeptical moments I wonder if A Rossi doesn’t have the product that he claims. If he does it is repeatable science. And if it is repeatable science I wish he would put out all the info so the world of CF can rapidly evolve. I’ve been told he could make tons of money in easier ways. A huge obstacle right now is research money. So in my darker moments, I wonder if he is doing all this to get all the research money he can use, knowing a breakthrough is around the corner. If this is true than I admire him more than if he produces the Ecat.

    • “In my more skeptical moments I wonder if A Rossi doesn’t have the product that he claims.”

      Many of us wonder that! However the weight of evidence seems to fall quite heavily on the positive side, at least as far as the MW unit goes. The main area of doubt seems to be the ‘robotic factory’, UL certification etc., i.e. the home e-cat. Apart from anything else, the admitted instability problems would have precluded any safety certification submissions until now (assuming there is substance to the latest claims), so the prototype design could not have been completed, let alone designs for a production version.

      For what it’s worth, I think Rossi may have taken some preparatory steps, possibly including designing a simple heater module minus ‘core’, and may hope that development of the industrial e-cat modules will point the way to a precise design for a viable home e-cat core and its control system.

  • Paul C

    MORE GOOD NEWS:

    Andrea Rossi
    May 13th, 2012 at 8:03 AM

    Dear Pietro F.:
    I have been authorized to give the following information. The 1 MW plant has been delivered and is working in a military concern. It has been made in the USA, after the October test of the prototype made in Italy;
    such prototype will be delivered, with the modifications which we will complete
    based on what we learnt from the model at work, to a European Customer in July.
    I have not been allowed to give this information until now.We are working very much and very hard to be as fast as possible. For the domestic E-Cats we have the necessity of the certification made. The industrial plants will get the necessary certification within weeks.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Guru

    Folks, forget these small radioactive (inside) and explosive hydrogen overpressurized gadgets.

    Hugh from European Space Agency just announced on his blog, that he have N3 breaker (second gen) with MW level output (aka excess) from small system as byproduct (side effect). Main effect is probably antigravity/propulsion.

    Rossi and his nonexistent second manufacture will steamrolled by Hugh’s MW gadgets !!

    • dandelion

      Maybe you should provide us with some links, eventually a little background for your enthusiastic claims…

    • artefact

      where is the link?

      • artefact

        oh, too late

  • Lu

    Great interview Frank–straight up questions that everyone wanted to hear. I really appreciate the transcripts as well. Thanks so much!

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  • dragon

    So the conclusion is: we have to wait until October for any serious news from Rossi.
    Until then, it is not even worth it to ask him anything else or to even look his direction.
    Let’s hope that in October we don’t get the same “real definitive confirmation is 4-6 months away” treatment that we got for the past year or so.

    I really hope Defkalion or Brillouin will be faster than him with definitive confirmation for Cold Fusion.
    At this point, nobody is really interested in seeing the product on the market …but more on a “let’s confirm this for good” event that will trigger the energy revolution for everybody (skeptics or believers).

    • Francesco CH

      No. You are dead wrong!!!

      It is a matter of weeks, surely you will not need to wait until October.

      Big movevents are going on RIGHT NOW ! ! !

      • Francesco CH

        “movements”

      • Frank

        Sorry, but in my eyes your credibility has suffered quite much because of some ‘phantastic’ statements you have made before, e.g:

        Francesco CH on December 26, 2011 at 11:48 am
        What I indended to communicate is what my sources at NI say to me: they tell me that the E-Cat does work, unfortunately it an incredibly wild beast to tame.

        COP 6 is all you need, because COP 6 converted in electricity production is COP 2 which eventually means COP ∞ in a “self-regenerative” system.

        • What’s up.. I don’t see anything wrong with those statements? (Just don’t know how wild the beast is.)

          • Frank

            The NI spokesman (Ms Betts)clarified on request: “We were only in discussions with the Leonardo Corporation regarding the use of National Instruments’ engineering tools. Currently, Leonardo Corporation/Andrea Rossi is not a customer of National Instruments”

            Do you think that doesn’t contradict with comments like:

            Francesco CH on December 25, 2011 at 6:14 pm
            The guys at NI are experiencing a lot of problems with the E-Cat.

            The inside reaction is not dangerous, but it is a “wild cat”: the E-Cat shows a sort of “random” behaviour, and the software they are developing is quite complex.

          • Frank: I don’t see contradiction, only lack of independent confirmation of FCH’s info.

    • Ged

      Actually possibly we’ll know by July, which is when the next private customer for the 1 MW plant will get theirs. Unlike the military, the current line from Rossi is that this company will reveal themselves and allow the public to observe their plant.

      Here’s hoping right?

      One thing though that does make me hopefully is how much the E-cat business has matured. He is obviously actually going through these processes and learning. His tone has mellowed out, become more realistic and factual, and more goal based. The developments that have come about in his knowledge regarding the industrialization process that this interview shows are indicative of if he was actually making this happen.

      But at any rate, we should see by July, and no later than October. That’ll be the curtain call for the E-cat.

      Oh, one more thing: “I do not think the light will be worth the candle” is an awesome euphemism. I’m totally remembering this one.

      • Rossi’s variant of the old English phrase ‘not worth the candle’ meaning an unproductive activity such as a game, that does not justify burning a candle. AR’s version is actually a very nice phrase – I will try to slip it into a few conversations and see if it spreads!

        • I correct myself! Apparently the phrase ‘The light is worth the candle’ derives from miners stealing candles from the mines 19th century. The offense was severely punished if discovered, but the expression meant that the risk was justified, i.e., ‘The light is worth (the risk of stealing) the candle’.

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  • Shane D.

    Frank,

    Thanks so much for the interview. During the time alotted you asked the right questions. In the future, if Rossi grants another interview, it would be interesting to learn more about those he (Rossi) has working for, or alongside, him on the ecats development.

    For obvious reasons, I think all of us would be much more skeptical if this were a one man show, but fortunately that is not the case as Rossi has many others around him (50 by his count).

    Who are these others? Leonardos been around since well before Rossis’ ecat and done work with the US Defense Department, so they must be well staffed with competent professionals from different disciplines.

    Yet, we still don’t know who these people are. The more people involved and the higher their level of skill… the less likely this whole thing could be a hoax or self-delusion.

    Same goes for the investor group that now runs oversees Leonardo? Who are they and how much oversight?

    Again, thanks.

    • admin

      Hi Shane,

      Good comment — thanks. When I spoke with Rossi in February I asked him who was involved in the investors trust that he now says owns Leonardo Corp. Unsurprisingly, he said he could not identify who they were. I decided not to ask the same question again, knowing what the answer would be.

      It seems that no one wants to be identified yet.

      Best,

      Frank

  • edog

    Yep thanks for the interview Frank!

    Hey while you are chatting with Italians, can you get in contact with the teachers and kids who developed the
    Pirelli Athanor Cell???

    Good luck to Mr Rossi and we all love hearing of his mysterious exploits and stories, but and interview with Mr Abundo would be far far more interesting, in my opinion. (its not that hard to type!! IMO phfft:)

    Anyway, they have pretty much given out their secret herbs and spices plus the instructions how to replicate their technology.. which they have given to the world for free. It would be great to hear more about what is going on in that area, and it also seems much more promising and believable than either Rossi or Defkalion. Are there people trying the experiment? Have they improved it? Are there new theories on how this LENR works? Did the kids have fun? Where is it now? What do their mums and dads think? What do they think of their competition, rossi and the greeks? Do they understand the implications of what they have done for the world? So many questions so little reporting??

    Does anyone know anything?? Francesco?? Help??!!
    This is far far more important than the ecat. IMHO.. 🙂

    • edog

      Look what I just found 🙂 google translate…

      ***
      by: Igo Abundo
      To: [snip]
      cc: Daniel Passerini (22passi), Mario Massa
      Date: May 9, 2012 23:46
      Subject: Fw: Re: Offer testing and experimentation cell Athanor

      Gent.mo [snip] ,
      wonderful news!
      Please thank us (we will do later in person) the President of [XXX] *

      * High-tech industry, in Roma, which has given the availability of a laboratory for testing.

      Furthermore, since this is a time “hot”, in which many facts and overlap one another, whilst it is necessary to calmly manage the opportunities that emerge, with the times that they are involved, this opportunity could be taken forward immediately.

      Let ‘:

      1 – the group “Institute Pirelli” are already calling arrangements (it is understood as the necessary transparency can not slow down the trial) to a place of trial in which they can pursue independent research continuously (not limited only to criteria), making first replicas of the most interesting evidence of the campaign “Pirelli”, with the reactor, but using the old shared redundant protocol that has emerged from the comparison with the many experts on the blog 22passi and external experts in this area, and then perform the same tests on the new reactor (best for the determination of power output), always with the shared protocol.
      Then proceed with a campaign new, specially designed to do more light on the phenomena involved, in order to improve yields; the whole, with timely information on the network;

      2 – at the same time, it is already accepted (and was also thanked the Engineer. Domenico Cirillo publicly, as it deserves, on 22passi) an invitation to Caserta, where it will be some checks with Cyril whose experience is well-founded;

      2 – […];

      4 – the roadmap that the group “Institute Pirelli”, henceforth called “group ATHANOR”, it is given, provides:

      autonomous replication of old evidence (old reactor) shared with the new protocol, and with the new reactor, also shared with the Protocol;
      networking results, with full details of the operating conditions and results, supported by necessary comments;
      material support to those wishing to build a clone of the old reactor, is to replicate independently of the verification tests to advance to individual experiments, in these cases the experimenters could count on the independent group Athanor for the identification of possible misunderstandings they were to incur the reply;

      from the above, shows how the need for transparency must find an understandable limit dictated by the difficulty does not introduce trial, in keeping with the principle expressed, will not be provided with external audits in the laboratory of Athanor Group, they will largely be replaced with free checks (with shared protocols) by investigators interested in take charge, based on drawings OPEN-SOURCE will be made ​​public, accompanied by corresponding operational procedures, they can always count on full cooperation from the Athanor Group, both for the possible formation , for help in the material realization of the devices, and for the understanding of the processes: such cooperation may take place via the web or, if necessary, with meetings in person.
      The movement of such data certainly add impetus to the whole trial, forcing it to emerge from embryonic-type “and 100 is a control”, bringing it up to “101 exchange results and proposals for improvement.”

      Maybe we need a little ‘time to fully share the view set out, but we firmly believe that it is the best way to combine a balanced and transparent operation, nor fear that someone can see fog in this setting: they will disappear at the first good wind, which blows coming from those who reply.

      The results will give us, or right or wrong.

      PS. Please Dr. Daniele Passerini to kindly publish this plan of 22passi, urging him to omit the reference to [snip] and [XXX] , As the President has asked for confidentiality, so omitting even the whole point 3.

      Many thanks again to all who are putting us, like us, the soul.

      Hugh Abundo – Athanor Group

    • Francesco CH

      WORST ITALIAN GOVERNMENT IN HISTORY!!!

      Yesterday I told you, unfortunately today cofirmations from Rossi:

      Andrea Rossi
      May 14th, 2012 at 8:59 AM
      Dear Antonella:
      The false statements contained in the answer that the Italian Government guy ( a deputy minister !!!) has given are a clear signal. If you analyse the language and compare the evident lack of specific information of this guy with the arrogance of his conclusions ( for example: “the patent will not be granted in Europe”, and he knows nothing of the pending patents, or ” Rossi in some occasion said his apparatus emits radiations, in other occasions said the contrary”, which is false because I always said that no radiations are emitted to the external of the apparatuses from the E-Cats, and I always said that the low level gamma rays inside the E-Cat are turned into heat) and compare the arrogance of the statements with the evident lack of information, the signal is clear: lobbies bound to the government have acted. Add the fact that an imbecile, financed by the taxpayer, is blowing on the fire to try to stop us to promote more public funding to state owned compamies that produced only chatters in 20 years of work, shake the all and the resulting cocktail is: better we stay away from there, if I want not to get stuck. We will sell in Italy our production, but will work safe in the USA and, probably, in Sweden, where we are organizing a strong organzation.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

  • Shane D.

    If you have 30 minutes, this video:

    http://vimeo.com/41901025

    is a very good watch (English). Standing in for Piantelli is another NicHenergy scientist by the name of Valerio Ciampelli. The graphs are understandable and commentary on each equally so.

    Highlights:

    1.Commercialzation within a few months

    2. Experiments running “many months” on almost no input power with high excess heat production. See at 12-13 minute mark.

    3. Clear, unequivocal proof that LENR is a real phenomena with commercial applications.

    • GreenWin

      These are the experiments that Peter Hagelstein wants to reproduce – but had his funding pulled by a corrupt physicist at MIT.

      Peter, I have little doubt the ______ (stars, powers, angels, politicians) will align to return your funding. It is an outrage that this level of interference is allowed to derail, good scientific method.

  • georgehants

    Air-powered Car Coming to India
    Discovery News
    This car runs on the ultimate emissions-free fuel: air.
    In 2007, Mumbai, India-based Tata Motors signed a licensing deal with Motor Development International, a French design firm. The idea was to build a car that could run on compressed air. Now Tata says it has tested two cars with the engines. The next step is setting up the manufacturing plants to actually build them.
    http://news.discovery.com/autos/air-powered-car-tata-motors-120509.html

  • georgehants

    Mirror worlds merged
    From New Scientist, but you will have to do your own digging as I cancelled my subscription when they stopped covering Cold Fusion.

    Can one thing be both matter and antimatter at the same time? The enigmatic Ettore Majorana thought so, and this week our cover story reports that the ambiguous particles that bear his name seem to have turned up in an unexpected place.

    • georgehants

      Pekka, need your input.

  • Francesco CH

    WORST ITALIAN GOVERNMENT IN HISTORY ! ! !

    Yesterday I told you, unfortunately today cofirmations from Rossi:

    Andrea Rossi
    May 14th, 2012 at 8:59 AM
    Dear Antonella:
    The false statements contained in the answer that the Italian Government guy ( a deputy minister !!!) has given are a clear signal. If you analyse the language and compare the evident lack of specific information of this guy with the arrogance of his conclusions ( for example: “the patent will not be granted in Europe”, and he knows nothing of the pending patents, or ” Rossi in some occasion said his apparatus emits radiations, in other occasions said the contrary”, which is false because I always said that no radiations are emitted to the external of the apparatuses from the E-Cats, and I always said that the low level gamma rays inside the E-Cat are turned into heat) and compare the arrogance of the statements with the evident lack of information, the signal is clear: lobbies bound to the government have acted. Add the fact that an imbecile, financed by the taxpayer, is blowing on the fire to try to stop us to promote more public funding to state owned compamies that produced only chatters in 20 years of work, shake the all and the resulting cocktail is: better we stay away from there, if I want not to get stuck. We will sell in Italy our production, but will work safe in the USA and, probably, in Sweden, where we are organizing a strong organzation.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • I would have been surprised if it were otherwise I’m afraid. All the indications are that despite his apparent optimism, any attempt by Rossi (or any other concern) to introduce ‘home’ ecats will be blocked at government level. AR understandably sounds pretty pi**ed about his home government’s reaction, but he must have known it was fairly predictable.

      Sweden or some other state on the EU’s margins, such as the Czech Republic will be his best bet I think. His assumptions about production in the US may not be very well founded.

  • GreenWin

    Great interview Frank. Nice to hear Andrea is pushing the reaction to higher temps. should he be able to stabilize the high temps for long duration – he could study the free-piston engine. NASA is using this design in their deep space power supplies.

    In a few years there may be a way to capture the energy from the plasma itself. Dr. Miley and others have done research in this area. Thanks to ecatworld for keeping this site hopping with new LENR news (not negative trolling!)

  • georgehants

    News update from Andrea Rossi and ECAT.com in May

    http://ecat.com/news/news-update-from-andrea-rossi-and-ecat-com-in-may

  • dandelion

    Off Topic, anecdotical, there is a song in the OST of the Need For Speed Porsche Unleashed game, composed by Morphadron and named Cold Fusion Power:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhdta4fDXak

    From the year 2000…

  • Ged

    Amazing interview, Frank! Very nice suite of questions, and you keep the flow going beautifully. Could see you and Rossi were both satisfied at the end; and thus so are us, your readers!

    An even more amazing accomplishment considering the call cutting out twice.

    • admin

      Thanks, Ged. I enjoyed the experience — AR was very cordial and cooperative and not perturbed when Skype crashed! We just picked up where we left off.

  • john29302

    heat has to go somewhere. The method of dispersion is irrelevant. The heat would be evident. you cant take a 1.5 inch heater hose and pipe it up a vent and not have .5 megawatt of heat doing its thing. If your such a smarty pants then you tell me what .5 megawatts of heat continious would do…would it be able to come out that little pipe and not be either seen or felt? Substantiate your claim or just dream on.

  • Francesco CH

    From JONP:

    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=629&cpage=1#comment-232431

    Mario M.
    May 14th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
    Dear Andrea, I would shortly comment the Italian Government position on the E-Cat emerging from the recent answer given from the deputy Minister for the Economic Development you cited this morning on your blog. I saw him yesterday on the Italian TV (I didn’t know him), and he seems to me a serious person. However, I suspect that, due to his economic background and his many serious commitments for the Italian crisis, the real author of his answer is an energy consultant, maybe the same sherpa (ghost writer) working for the ENEL electric company who, in the last weeks, wrote the proposal for a law designed to definitely destroy the photovoltaic sector in Italy. Moreover, the fact that the Italian Government representative cites the Italian law (derived from Euratom guidelines) on apparatus emitting ionizing radiations (which is here: http://www.normattiva.it/uri-res/N2Ls?urn:nir:stato:decreto.legislativo:1995;230) appears quite funny to me, as every physicist knows that: (1) outside the E-Cat the ionizing radiation levels have been measured (see the Bianchini and Villa’s papers) to be the same of the natural background; (2) the old cathodic TV screens and the old radios with thermionic valves were both veeery low emitters of ionizing radiations, so according the way of reasoning of the Italian Government – if they are coherent – they should be considered like nuclear reactors with all the consequent restrictions (haha). I can say more: mobile phones and Wi-Fi apparatus are strong emitters of electromagnetic radiations outside them and these radiations have detectable biological effects. So, ignorance is a big problem for the political class and the consultants in Italy are not independent. Conclusion: the E-Cat is very safe for human health and it is out of discussion because no radiations came out of machine (and it is safe especially compared to the cited examples on the market and not as safe as people believe), but his acceptance is a political, not scientific, matter.

    ——————————

    Andrea Rossi
    May 14th, 2012 at 7:29 PM
    Dear Matio M.:
    Thank you for your usual intelligent comment.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Francesco CH

    From JONP:

    Mario M.
    May 14th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
    Dear Andrea, I would shortly comment the Italian Government position on the E-Cat emerging from the recent answer given from the deputy Minister for the Economic Development you cited this morning on your blog. I saw him yesterday on the Italian TV (I didn’t know him), and he seems to me a serious person. However, I suspect that, due to his economic background and his many serious commitments for the Italian crisis, the real author of his answer is an energy consultant, maybe the same sherpa (ghost writer) working for the ENEL electric company who, in the last weeks, wrote the proposal for a law designed to definitely destroy the photovoltaic sector in Italy. Moreover, the fact that the Italian Government representative cites the Italian law (derived from Euratom guidelines) on apparatus emitting ionizing radiations (which is here: http://www.normattiva.it/uri-res/N2Ls?urn:nir:stato:decreto.legislativo:1995;230) appears quite funny to me, as every physicist knows that: (1) outside the E-Cat the ionizing radiation levels have been measured (see the Bianchini and Villa’s papers) to be the same of the natural background; (2) the old cathodic TV screens and the old radios with thermionic valves were both veeery low emitters of ionizing radiations, so according the way of reasoning of the Italian Government – if they are coherent – they should be considered like nuclear reactors with all the consequent restrictions (haha). I can say more: mobile phones and Wi-Fi apparatus are strong emitters of electromagnetic radiations outside them and these radiations have detectable biological effects. So, ignorance is a big problem for the political class and the consultants in Italy are not independent. Conclusion: the E-Cat is very safe for human health and it is out of discussion because no radiations came out of machine (and it is safe especially compared to the cited examples on the market and not as safe as people believe), but his acceptance is a political, not scientific, matter.

    ——————————

    Andrea Rossi
    May 14th, 2012 at 7:29 PM
    Dear Matio M.:
    Thank you for your usual intelligent comment.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

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  • clovis

    Hi, guys.
    As usual very professorial interview, by our fearless leader, Frank,you de man. keep up the good work/play.
    you make it look so easy.—smile.

  • Rui

    Hi Frank,
    Where can I find the mp3 filles? Don’t seed them anywhere on the page.
    Rui

    • br1

      bottom of page 4.

      @Frank, thanks for the info, much appreciated.