Some Implications of High Temperature E-Cat Technology

This article is revised and adapted from one published here on May 3, 2011.

The implications of working power plants producing high temperature steam are tremendous. Energy problems seem to be at the root of so many of the economic, environmental, and political difficulties we are facing at the moment, and it appears that Mr. Rossi’s invention could provide very useful solutions for many of them. Nuclear fission plants have been seen by many as the only viable alternative to traditional fossil fuel based power station, but since the Fukashima disaster there has been renewed wariness in many parts of the world.

Energy Production

There is scarcely a person on the planet who is not affected in some way by problems associated with energy. As technologies develop and economies modernize we are increasingly dependent on energy for just the basics necessities of life.

One of the attractions of the new E-Cat technology is it appears to be ready for prime time almost out of the box. It would be a relatively simple engineering process for power station operators to replace their existing sources of steam production with E-Cats. An orderly adaption of power plants would provide little disruption to existing electrical grid, and thus rapid adoption of this technology is feasible.

The Environment

An overriding concern connected with energy production these days is the emission of greenhouse gases and nuclear waste — and apparently none are produced from the E-Cat. The environmental implications of this technology would be tremendous. Not only would it allow for much cheaper power, but it would also do so without carbon emissions or radioactive waste. This technology could be the kind of clean energy that environmentalists have been seeking for for a long time.

The Economy

Andrea Rossi has said that initially the E-Cat would provide electricity at the cost of 1 cent per kW hr — roughly 10 per cent of what electricity currently costs. Such cheap power would provide a huge boost to consumers of power worldwide — individuals and businesses alike. It would make the cost of producing goods much lower and provide vast savings on people’s utility bills — much cheaper heating, electricity and air conditioning.

Energy intensive industries would be much more feasible — for example desalination of seawater which currently is very expensive because of the large amount of heat and electricity needed would become viable with cheap power, allowing for the expansion of agriculture in arid parts of the world. Agriculture in colder parts of the world could be expanded with cheap heat to greenhouses and other kinds indoor farming projects.

Transportation would likewise be affected. Cheap electricity would encourage development of electric vehicles, and perhaps a new generation of steam powered vehicles could be feasible.

Living off the Grid

Rossi has said that the first high-temperature E-Cats will will only be available in industrial plants. Safety certification for home based electrical plants might be difficult to get — but if they can be built on a large scale there will surely be a demand for small scale power plants. Perhaps if not allowed in individual homes, small E-Cat plants could be used to power villages, apartment buildings, neighborhoods, farms, etc. Small plants would open up the benefits of electricity to people where there is no current electrical infrastructure. Three billion people are currently without electricity in their homes and E-Cat technology could accelerate the pace of modernization in the developing world like nothing we have yet seen.

Science and Engineering

Once working E-Cat are verified, a whole new field of exploration for scientists and engineering will open up. Cold fusion research has been abandoned by all but a few dedicated researchers. That would rapidly change with practical LENR products in the marketplace and the doors for researchers to try and understand the mechanism by which the nuclear reaction occurs, and how this technology can be refined, improved and adapted. Products and applications that we cannot now even imagine may be possible.

Negative Impacts

While positive results are fairly easy to envision, an all-new source of cheap and clean energy would also have a highly disruptive effect on the current energy-industrial complex. There are national economies that are based on oil production, and E-Cat technology could put a large dent in oil prices which could create new and challenging geopolitical tensions. The current alternative energy industry could become largely obsolete in the face of a much more efficient alternative, and it’s likely that investments in all kinds of energy technologies could be severely affected.

There’s also the issue of what happens when cheap and abundant power is in the hands of power-hungry regimes, radical extremists, or powerful criminal organizations. Also, militaries will certainly want the most advanced power sources at their disposal, and more power would mean more efficient armies, navies, aircraft and weapons systems.

These are just some of the potential consequences that I see could come about if E-Cat technology works as advertised and is deployed on a wide scale. As with any brand new technology it is impossible to see all the possible implications and effects. We should also remember that the first iterations of any important new technology are primitive and able to be rapidly improved upon – think cars, plane and computers. The E-Cat power plant that Andrea Rossi is now constructing could be just the first breakthrough in a new energy era that may transform the our world.

  • john E

    good thoughts all.

  • Ivan Mohorovicic

    It looks like we will have news very soon:

    Andrea Rossi
    May 27th, 2012 at 6:54 AM

    Dear Francesco:
    Within a week we will have important news regarding the high temperature reactors.
    Warm Regards,

  • Johannes Hagel

    Indeed very good thougths but all based on the assumption that LENR is a valid thing. However, following the latest news (blacklight power, Brillouin energies and maybe even Rossi and / or Defkalion)optimism might be increasingly justified…. Lets hope!

  • Mahron – A4 B2

    @Ivan Mohorovicic

    there was a time when I would have been exited to hear that … now my brain switches to cynical mode.

  • private

    If real, this should allow a self-contained demo ecat to run indefinitely, powering a generator. Such a demo I’d love to see.

  • Matt Roberts

    Has anyone considered what might happen to the temperature of the planet if every household owned an e-cat and ran it 24/7. Could there be excessive amounts of waste-heat produced on the order of what’s going on today with global warming? In other words the greenhouse gas problem would be replaced by a waste-heat problem. After all who would shut off a machine that cost nothing to run other than filling it with water? Of course I don’t think Rossi should stop developing his e-cat but it might be a good idea to solve this problem from the very beginning rather than try to backpedal in 50 years. Just a thought.

    • I’ve been wondering the same thing, but then again, it seems not that our current heat waste is a major problem (we do heat our houses today too, and the excesses goes into the atmosphere, but that does not seem to increase global temperatures). Rather it’s the ‘putting a lid on’ (i.e. the green house-gasses) that would still be the problem, as excess heat thus is kept on earth rather than just flowing out into space.

      But then again, this should probably mean a LOT more excess heat than now – we could squander as much as we’d like, and theoretically we wouldn’t even need to insulate our houses anymore, leading to much more direct waste.

      • Mahron – A4 B2

        Well governments will not fall, so that can be regulated. Besides, a portion of all the growth it would generate would be routed towards energy efficiency even if not needed anymore.

      • Hador_NYC

        Folks, do a quick check on how much energy the Sun adds to the Earth each day. We have a LONG way to go befote we put a dent in that!

    • I did some calculations some time ago (maybe last year) when this was discussed at The short answer is that if one increases energy consumption 100-fold, one would notice it in global temperature at couple of degree C level. Local effects might come sooner however. But it would seem rather safe to increase about tenfold.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      There’s a dark cloud inside every silver lining.

    • Heat like the kind generated by the eCat would be radiated straight into space without the greenhouse gas blanket we currently have. As the eCat will reduce ghg emissions, the net effect will be to reduce global warming. Widespread use of the eCat should not be a problem.

    • Job001

      The extra heat will be radiated to outer space. This amount of heat is low compared to solar input and balanced existing thermal radiation. We may experience cooling eventually if atmospheric CO2 is reduced.

      • NJT

        Is it possible ( with the prolific use of LENR eliminating the current green house effect and global warming) we may then see a return to the ice ages at some point?

  • Hank Mills

    Burning E-Cat News Coming Soon

    Andrea Rossi has stated that in less than a week he will provide some important news about the new high temperature E-Cat reactor. For those who are not aware, Andrea Rossi has recently stated that a new design of E-Cat can produce steam temperatures of 600C in a totally stable manner. With this temperature of steam electricity can be produced very efficiently. Basically, with the E-Cat being able to produce 600C steam, it now holds the potential to end the energy crisis, end the fossil fuel age, and jump start the global economy.

    What could this important news be about? Most likely, it will be stated that the test results confirm what has already been claimed. Also, it has been stated that in the near future test data from the new high temp E-Cat would be posted on the Journal of Nuclear Physics website. So it is possible that the first test data from a high temperature E-Cat module may be part of what this news is about.

    Why is this something to get excited about? First of all, the dozen or so tests in 2011 clearly demonstrated massive gains of energy from E-Cat systems. Multiple designs of E-Cats were tested with the assistance of multiple scientists. The tests confirmed that the E-Cat worked as claimed, but none of them showed high temperature steam production. In the tests that produced steam, the temperature was around 100C or a few degrees higher. That temperature of steam is not capable of efficiently being converted into electricity. However, this new test data should show much higher steam temperatures that would be compatible with Sterling engines, steam turbines, and perhaps even thermophotovoltaic systems (that convert infrared heat directly into electricity.)

    With a source of cheap, clean, and limitless 600C the world can say goodbye to burning fossil fuels to produce electricity. All of the power plants that produce electricity by burning coal or natural gas can eventually be converted into E-Cat plants.The result would be massive fuel savings, zero emissions, and lower cost electricity for everyone.

    Of course I am looking forward to a world with no power grid at all. The first home E-Cats will only produce hot water. However, in time there will be home E-Cat units that produce electricity. They will be cheap, affordable, and consume almost no fuel (grams of nickel every six months). Everyone will be able to have their own electrical generator, and will no longer have to rely on the power grid.

    I think an E-Cat revolution is quickly approaching, and the upcoming news will only accelerate it.

    • Mahron – A4 B2

      I would rater hear him say he finally got the paperwork done to protect his reactor. Then he could give one out for research and independent testing. Now that would be news.

    • If I was going to guess, the biggest news to come next from Rossi will be that UL (Underwriters Laboratory) has certified his home E-Cat heater as safe.

      • jacob

        Joe Shea ,good luck with that

        • jacob

          I debating to retract that good luck ,that the biggest news is UL approval of a version of the Ecat,could in fact be right if the navy put some mild form of pressure on the Underwriters Laboratories ,who is no longer a nonprofit org. to withdraw some funding ,or a thread
          if UL does not approve ,constitutionally may shut UL. down
          in the interest of National Security.

          good luck with that

    • Hampus

      1. LENR is used to power our grid.
      2. LENR is used to power our homes directly.
      3. LENR is used to power our devices directly.

    • Thanks for the update, Hank. The timing sits rather well with Franks’s lead article! Let’s hope that Rossi’s news is something of substance – I look forward very much to finding out what it is. One thing that’s reasonably sure I think, is that is that it is nothing to do with UL certification. Videos of independent(?) tests maybe, or news of a commercial deal? I suppose we’ll find out soon enough.

      • georgehants

        Peter, should I put my bottle back in the fridge do you think.

        • Personally, George, I just drink ’em and buy another, ready for the next development worthy of a minor celebration! I’ll get some friends around to help me with a crate when THE event transpires (and rub a few noses in it).

          Seriously, on the past record I am not expecting too much, but a little bit of me lives in hope.

    • Lu

      “Andrea Rossi has recently stated that a new design of E-Cat can produce steam temperatures of 600C in a totally stable manner.”

      I think he said the external core is at that temperature and he hasn’t worked yet with the steam.

      • 600C is probably too hot for efficient steam production. There would be too much hydrogen formed by thermal dissociation at the point of contact. There needs to be either an intermediate primary coolant used to pick up heat and transfer it to water, or an arrangement involving a considerable metal mass with a greatly increased contact surface area to ‘dilute’ the temperature.

    • empy

      Has anybody noticed this?
      Thin films of bismuth-antimony have potential for new semiconductor chips, thermoelectric devices.
      “in a thermoelectric application — where a temperature difference between two sides of a device creates a flow of electrical current — the much faster movement of electrons, coupled with strong thermal insulating properties, could enable much more efficient power production. This might prove useful in powering satellites by exploiting the temperature difference between their sunlit and shady sides, Tang says.”

      • Stephen Taylor

        “Could enable much more efficient power production”. That sounds promising. Seems to be saying much more efficient than is currently possible in thermo-electric devices. Admittedly in the early stages of unknown development but if someone gets it right it sure would be a nice “option” for a 600C reactor! Maybe it could be coupled closely enough to help get the heat out effectively.
        “At high power the thermal management is like nothing you have dealt with before.”
        “Labs have blown up.” “Windows melted.”
        Sounds like we could use a little thermal management.

    • jacob

      Thank you Hank Mills ,for your work in free
      energy , i am sure CF works and it will be integrated in time much time but for our benefit

  • SH

    “No single solution will defuse more of the Energy-Climate Era’s problems at once than the invention of a source of single-solution, abundant, clean, reliable, and cheap electrons.

    Give me abundant, clean, reliable, and cheap electrons, and I will give you a world that can continue to grow without triggering unmanageable climate change.

    Give me abundant clean, reliable, and cheap electrons, and I will give you water in the desert from a deep generator-powered well.

    Give me abundant clean, reliable, and cheap electrons, and I will put every petrodictator out of business.

    Give me abundant clean, reliable, and cheap electrons, and I will end deforestation from communities desperate for fuel and I will eliminate any reason to drill in Mother Nature’s environmental cathedrals.

    Give me abundant clean, reliable, and cheap electrons, and I will enable millions of the earth’s poor to get connected, to refrigerate their medicines, to educate their women, and to light up their nights.”

    -Thomas Friedman

    • GreenWin

      Presumably this is Thomas Friedman the Pulitzer Prize winning NY Times journalist. I have to wonder why an author of this mind has not elected to write about the very technology that would meet his call.

      Why does Friedman hang in the dark, unwilling or unable to write about the astonishing implications of LENR? Or for that matter the recent Blacklight Power validation of their CIHT fuel cell? Authors and editors are either under threat or orders to refrain from any mention of LENR.

      So much for a Constitutional government.

      • NJT

        Yep, He probably likes his job (income) and wants to keep it that way! So much for “OUR SO CALLED FREEDOM OF THE PRESS” as it appears the powers that be are calling the shots on what is allowed for the peasants to see in the press…

        • GreenWin

          True. And if there is no FREEDOM of press – there is no press. Just a propaganda PR firm disguised as AP, Reuters, NYTimes, Fox, etc. Beyond illegal. Pathetic.

      • jacob

        nobody in their right mind wants to cause
        a stir specially journalists and editors ,if they are smart and look at their own future and their own livelihood ,they don’t want to cause a domino effect ,that could cause a loss of revenue in advertisement dollars.

        • GreenWin

          Which makes them worker bees – not journalists.

        • NJT

          What, they can’t even report world changing substatiated news? Think latest NASA releases for starters! These are not world class reporters/editors they are stooges for the fossil industries!

    • atanguy

      Thomas Friedman: An early supporter of the Iraq war, if that shows his perception of the future…

  • You need to modify “the doors” in this sentence. Nice piece!

    That would rapidly change with practical LENR products in the marketplace and the doors for researchers to try and understand the mechanism by which the nuclear reaction occurs, and how this technology can be refined, improved and adapted.

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  • Robert Mockan

    It is still too soon to go into detail because most newbies to the LENR subject are still trying to grasp the nickel hydrogen system. They may have heard about the palladium hydrogen system, and perhaps the tungsten hydrogen system. What surprises is that LENR has been observed with gold, platinum, tin, chromium, manganese, silicon, uranium, thorium, mercury, bismuth, strontium, ceramic proton conductors,and most of the rest of the elements and many compounds. Those experiments were done with hydrogen or heavy hydrogen loading of the metals from gas, plasma, electrolytes, particle beams, and so on. Successful thermal power generation experiments have been documented, and the conclusions presented at many of the scientific conventions about condensed matter, new energy, cold fusion, transmutation, and others.

    If the nickel hydrogen system has a high temperature stability problem, or does not generate enough thermal power, then substitute materials that can operate at much higher temperatures ARE available, and some of them begin generating power BELOW room temperature, can have high COP (the limiting factor in every case seems to be poor synthesis of nuclear active sites in the lattice, NOT some inherent limitation of the phenomena), and most work better with nano-parrticle sizes than in bulk form.

    Just pointing out if one still wants to doubt Rossi, fine, but to be logical about it how will 20 years of evidence also be questioned?

    • GreenWin

      Very interesting Robert. It would appear that the geometry of the loaded material is more relevant than the element. Thus Arata, Miley, Ahern, etc. work with nano scale metals where nuclear active sites tend to abound. This suggests the possibility a Casimir effect may play a role.

      In any case the Mills idea of H resonating in a confined space (e.g. a lattice) between fractional states H(1/4 in CIHT)releasing energy during transition (204eV in CIHT) seems reasonable – albeit unconventional.

      The skeptics now rely on Rossi/DGT attacks in hope that besmirching them will somehow muddy all waters.

      The article correctly suggests there will be economic upheaval – mostly to the benefit of people. But clearly the old fossil fuel sectors will have to adapt or die. That is the normal evolution – we no longer use horses for horsepower.

      • Robert Mockan

        I agree the geometry, or material morphology, seems critical. The technology of zone refining and zone leveling
        made high purity doped semiconductors possible, that enabled building more reliable solid state electronic devices.
        A similar breakthrough may be needed to make reliable optimized LENR catalysts, only directed towards creating precise nano-size structures within materials that mediate cold fusion reactions. The Casimir effect has been mentioned frequently in the cold fusion context, especially in regards to sonofusion.

      • The geometry does definitely appear to be more important than the element… according to a recent video I have seen. This makes sense in light of the fact that particular resonant frequencies seem to be critical to the reaction.

        If true, that could then imply that consumption or transmutation of the material is an undesirable secondary effect. The impurities destroy the latice, either because they “burn” in hot spots, or because they transmute and deform. Whatever the case, that would naturally destroy the latice, terminating the reaction.

        A perfect latice framework could theoretically “host” the reaction indefinitely without being destroyed if it were pure and absolutely uniform in structure. Such a latice would have to be perfectly contructed, assembled atom by atom. If this theory is correct, such a latice could support an endless reaction without being consumed at all, and produce energy approaching the theoretical maximum.

        Perhaps this is the solution to the stability problems.

        • NJT

          Wow, now that is real thinking out of the box in mho. Thanks Linda, lets hope that your theory is proven true…

        • That could turn out to be an important observation. It is possible that lines of LENR research may split at some point into optimisation of energy output, and controlled transmutation for ‘remediation’ of nuclear waste and the creation of desirable elements.

          • GreenWin

            Good point Peter. I see that starting already. The remediation piece may be the first industrial scale application – possibly from Mitsubishi or Toshiba. But I expect smart execs at Exelon, Fluor or Bechtel would see the huge market and jump in.

        • GreenWin

          Excellent ideas Linda.

        • NJT

          Linda, I have been thinking about your statement regarding a perfect lattice structure and I wonder if “Aerosol’s” could play such a role as you describe? I know they are primarily Silica, but could possibly provide the perfect lattice structure needed for other attached elements or perhaps under the right conditions (catalyst) suffice itself?

          Aerogels consist of a fine network of bubbles, with cell walls just a “few atoms thick”. Inside these cells is simply air, “or whatever gas” (Hydrogen) the designer wishes to include.

          Aerogels can also withstand the high temperatures Rossi is talking about for his e-Cats.

          Just thinking a bit out of the box here and wondering…

          • NJT

            That should read Aerogel’s not Aerosol’s in the first paragraph…

  • georgehants

    Has the U.K. government missed something.

    China and Japan lead the running to build nuclear power plants in Britain
    By Tom McGhie, Mail on Sunday Senior Financial Correspondent
    27 May 2012
    China’s Guangdong Nuclear Power group and Toshiba, the Japanese industrial giant that owns reactor builder Westinghouse, are believed to be favourites to build nuclear plants in Britain.
    Final bids for Horizon, the joint venture set up by Germany’s Eon and RWE to co-ordinate the building of the £10 billion nuclear plants in Wylfa, Anglesey, and Oldbury, Gloucestershire, must be completed by June 15.
    A second nuclear consortium, headed by China’s State Nuclear Power Technology Corporation with links to Westinghouse, is also working on a bid. Horizon, which is worth about £300 million, owns the land where the new plants will be built.
    Backlash: Government could face an outcry if deal goes to China
    Backlash: Government could face an outcry if deal goes to China
    It is expected that the project will be managed by Exelon, the US’s biggest nuclear operator, which has about 20 per cent of its home market and runs ten power plants.
    The Government is desperate to find a replacement for the Germans, but is facing the prospect of a public backlash over handing a crucial part of Britain’s nuclear infrastructure to the world’s most powerful communist country.

    • Zalomi

      UK is heading to be a third world nation – They lost every thing and sold the country to the mideast oil princes since long time ago.
      Every thing for sale in UK.

      • Not ‘heading to’ – we have nearly arrived. Only the Greeks seem to be ahead of us in the race to the bottom in Europe, although late entrants, Spain and Portugal may give us a bit of competition soon.

        • Nicholas C D

          I have never heard such rubbish in all my life. To compare us Greece is shows a base lack of understanding of the facts. As for the rest of you non British none of you can resist a bit of Britain bashing can you? Hypocrites the lot of you, like any of your countries are doing any better.

          • GreenWin

            Nicholas – if it matters, as a former British subject (until 1776) I quite like the Mother country still. She will need to get on the LENR train however. Building and then mothballing nukes is expensive business.

            And don’t bash on Greece so much. Their government is being punished for supporting LENR at the State level.

    • Methusela

      Yes, the UK are behind the curve on everything these days.

      What a difference a 100 years makes.

    • Not entirely on topic, but an interesting article in the Guardian outlining how the ‘case for new nuclear’ was deliberately faked in the UK by Cameron:

      Corruption seems to be the new ‘norm’ in government.

      • Rockyspoon

        Corruption “new” in government? Nothing new there, sorry.

    • Mike

      I think the UK’s long term energy policy lacks any direction at the moment
      I recently watched on BBC the parliamentary select committee on energy question EON and NPower executives on their decisions to pull out from building new nuclear stations at Wylfa and Oldbury
      The reasons they gave were commercial factors, inadequacy of government guarantees on their return over the operating lives of the stations, and uncertainties over competing technologies
      However they have already spent 300M on the Horizon company to do the preliminary design and planning so it doesnt make sense to me. Competing technologies mentioned (wind ,solar) cannot supply the base load
      The transcript of the committee is on

      If we make the assumption that these large companies are aware of the threat from cold fusion their actions seem more reasonable and we will start to see more cancellations of large scale nuclear projects
      It appears EDF has now pulled from the other new UK station planned at Hinckley Point
      and also possibly this one is on hold:

      On this video EONs CEO talks of ‘some very interesting developments in distributed energy’ but doesnt clarify He could be thinking of solar, wind or perhaps small scale nuclear fission or even cold fusion

      Just thought I’d share my confusion with you

  • Have we not been discussing this as a given for the past 2 years?

    It means 600 million less smog producing cars and trucks on the road .. blah, blah…

    LENR changes all the rules.

    -Big cars/motorhomes
    -speedy cruise ships
    -smiling faces
    -off the grid communities (boats in the middle of the ocean lashed together)
    -sailboats and small cars only in antique forms
    -Blimps repopularized as LENR fuelled floating hotels rule the skies.
    -Energy to make stuff becomes cheaper, transportation to move stuff becomes cheaper, the nuts and bolts needed to build the stuff becomes cheaper. Everything becomes cheaper.
    -Taxes will need to rise to compensate for the governments lack of income from natural resources.
    -Desalination will be affordable to all seaside villages bringing abundant clean water and thus food to the masses.
    -Children singing in the streets
    -gas stations disappearing from corners and people peeing their pants.
    same old stuff

    • I forgot less Oil Wars, and the almighty “religions” of the middle east will need to tone it down as they need to rely on foreign trade instead of oil money to drive their economies.

    • Robert Mockan

      I only disagree with the taxes comment. Presently governments are bloated, inefficient, create more problems than they solve, and, in my opinion, are probably unnecessary. I would not propose total anarchy to replace them, but some variation of minarchism certainly is feasible. Besides all that, debt based monetary systems need to be eliminated.
      That pretty much kills the raising of taxes. In a credit based system there would be no taxes.

      • Actually with the trend towards mechanism half the population could be unemployed in a few decades. What then?

        A farmer can now farm 300 acres worth of crop from 200 acres of land compared to the work of 30 farmers 50 years ago. Robotics, self driving equipment, computers.

        Printing is gone. Accountants are soon to go. Robotics has replaced a lot of low skill labour.

        In 20 years busses will drive themselves.

        So what will become of the unemployed? Do we throw them in jail as they turn to crime to live? Do we give them all welfare? Do we give them government jobs such as police work.

        Taxes are our friend. Even with an increase in taxes we will still be spending a lot less on power and merchandise so we will still be ahead.

        • Robert Mockan

          Let us a least hope the unemployed will not have to compete with machines to “earn” the cost of living. Obviously the existing paradigms governing employment in society will have to change, if people are to retain any value to life.

        • jacob

          it is a valid point, that it could it could cause high unemployment,specially in an oil producing country,like mine in Canada
          where oil drives the economy.
          Will this cause a reversal,where people will move back away from cities back to the country side,and
          grow their own food and become more self sufficient ,with only one
          parent having to work,driving a car with ecat steamer?

          • I think high unemployment should be expected. Even tech jobs will fade away. Once every job is programmed then even programmers will only be needed for upgrading.

            Perhaps we can make up for it by having 10 hour maximum work weeks and enjoy the golden age as we should. Machines do all the work and we lounge poolside eating grapes.
            Before this occurs the unemployment will get very high and many innocents will be criminalized, or living in poverty. Once it gets very high and everybody has a family member in jail then society might decide to accept 50% of the population on welfare or made-up government jobs (police, cleaners,gardeners). It will be sad and good.

            The ecat will bring jobs though in my opinion. it will create a boom like no other. There will be people replacing car/truck/boat motors with adaptive technologies. Homes, trailers, etc.

          • Rockyspoon

            Canada has nickel reserves–mine nickel and leave your petroleum in the ground until needed for petrochemical feedstock.

        • GreenWin

          You might not see how lower cost energy transforms industry and leisure. For example “printing” is not gone. Two dimensional printing perhaps (though millions printers still sold for home/business use) – predictions for a new industrial age due to 3D Printing.

          Someone has to produce goods and services for billions of emerging nations. How many jobs does that mean? Homes, TVs, plumbing, hot water, cars, cell phones… someone has to make this stuff. Not all these jobs will or can be done by lowest cost labor.

          Consider too that when paying pennies for electricity more disposable income is available for leisure, recreation, sports etc. These are huge businesses getting bigger.

          • jacob

            massive job losses and layoffs
            are expected in the oil sector
            ,oil exploration ,trucking fuel ,propane and compressed natural gas,gas stations eliminated eventually .

            If it doesn’t bankrupt the country ,then on the other hand we would need masses of people to implement cold fusion devices in most industry,homes and transportation ,greenhouses
            airplanes ,power plant conversions,massive increase
            of tourism and leisure activities boosting local economies,masses required to built LENR devices ,in my
            case saving thousands of dollars on energy,that i can spend on something else,like i pods ,i phones and new ecat steamer car,providing jobs here and
            my money stops going to the middle east

          • I was talking about the printing industry is gone. Offset presses that produced books /phonebooks/etc.
            Printing was a family business as I grew up and nobody can retain employment in the offset trade these days.
            Printers and photocopiers and tablets and computers have destroyed what was a $30/hour trade.

          • GreenWin

            Understood. My point is only the Offset press of yesterday is being replaced by 3D printers today. And for a while anyway – it will be a specialty job paying high wages.

            Technology evolves quickly and adapting is key to survival. Best example is consumer electronics which leapfrogs itself bi-annually.

  • Don Witcher

    Lest one think that LENR is going unnoticed in the financial community here is an article that ran in Seeking Alpha a couple of months ago. Seeking Alpha is a website that has wide readership in the financial community and is often cited when searching for news on individual companies. This article is a first cut at naming companies that are going to be severely impacted by LENR. An industrial size 600 degree ecat could start the ball rolling this year.

    • It’s actually quite a good article to point people to as an intro to CF. Possibly a bit too accepting of some facets of the story, but that may not be a bad thing.

      It’s interesting that publications that are primarily aimed at investors, such as Seeking Alpha and Oilprice, seem to be taking LENR energy seriously. They could possibly have quite a disproportionate effect on perceptions in an influential quarter of economic activity. Unfortunately they may also alert a few energy CEOs whose heads have been buried in the sand for the last year or more, about what is going on.

      • Rockyspoon

        Unless these CEOs can get big government to ignore or outlaw LENR, they’ll be run over by smaller companies with big plans and big profits.

        Nobody’s must interested in coal or oil nowadays–but throw a little nickel powder in with some hydrogen and *presto*–you have lots and lots of heat!

        Besides, most CEOs will be the “last to the table” because they don’t want to besmirch their precious reputations.

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  • Sanjeev

    People love Gold more than steam. So I guess LENT will cause a stir in present economy. Greed-driven inventions will overtake the energy-only applications very rapidly.

    Production of Gold from Tungsten.

    • Robert Mockan

      Precious metal production has been observed in several different LENR devices. At my blogspot “Open Source Nuclear Fuel”, I mention how the process can be applied for tungsten to rhenium transmutation in an article dated December 6, 2011, titled “Polonium Nuclear Fuel”. As one goes to higher atomic weights (Tungsten is 74, rhenium 75) there is more chance of fission than fusion, so increasing the proton number to gold (79) by neutron addition vie the Widom-Larsen hypothesis
      might run into problems. I mention this because the transmutation, using present LENR devices, of tungsten to rhenium, osmium, iridium, may already be profitable at current spot metal prices.

  • the snake

    It always seems strange why Rossi isn’t going to try getting patents. With the apparent progress in high temperature devices, there should be plenty of opportunities for patents. The first simple e-cats were maybe close to a simplistic physical principle model that may be difficult to apply for patents. It’s also strange why Rossi talks of difficulties with certification. Certification may be a hassle but it has no relevance for any R&D progress in any industry, patents are what count. Patent law states that a invention needs to be new for being patented. You can’t go for certification first and then for a patent. Even provided Rossi is capable of developing and manufacturing a product, without any patent protection he will be copied within a few months.

    • Rockyspoon

      The US Patent Office rejects any and all applications for cold fusion or anything even remotely associated with cold fusion. Their rejection form letter gives two reasons:

      1) based on untenable science.

      2) not in the public interest.

      That last one really cracks me up, but get this–if that question is even posed at all, it eliminates #1; if #1 was true, they wouldn’t even have to “go there” on #2.

      They really are drinking their own agenda against CF.

  • Lu

    Just listened to this radio interview from last year this time with Lewis Larsen of Widom-Larsen Theory fame and he touches upon the promise of LENR technology. Very interesting from beginning to end including layman’s description of what might be going on (according to his theory).

  • HHiram

    Cheap, clean, ultra-abundant energy will be wonderful, but don’t forget that there is also a downside.

    Read “The Limits to Growth”. LENR will fuel continued exponential economic growth, which means exponential consumption of finite natural resources. With enough energy, most of the limits can be overcome. For example, we are likely to run out of phosphorus within the next 100 years, because we do not recapture this essential element in our waste streams – instead, we just pump it all out into the oceans. Nothing can grow without phosphorus, so we will need to “mine” phosphorus from the oceans when other sources are depleted. This will be hugely inefficient and therefore extremely expensive and energy-intensive. But, with enough energy we could still do it.

    But there are some things no amount of energy or money can buy. Biodiversity, pristine habitat and intact ecosystems are key examples.

    I am a fan of LENR and I genuinely hope for a revolution in energy technology. But if we don’t also look realistically at the downsides, we aren’t being responsible advocates.

    • Kim

      I don’t see a supply problem

      I do not see scarcity.

      I see abundance beyond what we now know

      The science of Transmutation will grow from this.

      Once you can transmute, the sky is the limit

      They are talking about mining astroids


      • Rockyspoon

        As a past mining engineer, I can assert there’s enough nickel to power our energy needs for more than a million years. And if Brillouin is correct in their recent announcement that they just use nickel as a catalyst and two hydrogens converge into a helium atom, the amount of nickel used to make all this energy will be negligible.

    • Even without transmutation, with cheap energy the need for traditional mining might decrease because e.g. ordinary granite contains valuable structural elements such as aluminium and silicon. They are currently not utilised because extracting them would need a lot of energy, so that currently it’s cheaper to mine for iron ore and such. But LENR might change that pattern. The motto could become, as with nomads with their animals: when one kills a rock, one shall use all of it.

      • Robert Mockan

        We tend to think of modern skyscrapers, roads, dams, vehicles, and so on, as visible evidence of civilization. We may find however that in the not too distant future melting rock to make bricks for simple dwellings, having an all purpose robot servant, and owning the personal space craft, may better describe “civilization”.
        Think ancient Egypt about 5000 years ago, but with robots and rockets.

      • Rockyspoon

        There’s a lot of oxygen tied up in the silicates and other minerals that comprise most rocks, which would enrich our atmosphere as the metal counterparts are used.

        But you’re right–ore deposits currently used are used because of economic factors, and once LENR is dirt cheap (no pun intended), almost any rock becomes a feedstock for some beneficial product–such as basalt, granite, limestone, shale, etc. etc.

    • Rockyspoon

      Just use alchemy (called cold fusion nowadays) and manufacture your own phosphorus. If they can transmute nuclear waste and render it nonradioactive, they can make just about anything.

      (Desalination plants of the future won’t use heat–they’ll use CF to convert the contaminating salts into elements that simply bubble out of the water, rendering what remains pure enough to drink without a problem.)

  • Tom

    Transport powered directly from cold fusion should be in the top 3 priorities. Along with distribution to 3rd world countries and home electricity generators.

    • Tom

      Oh, and space travel. A moon base, please.

    • MikkaMakka

      The downsize of cheap transportation will be the suffocation of local economies, especially local agriculture. Every kind of produces will be transported by air and/or on wheels from a few large agricultural countries to the other side of the world. On one hand it is a huge advantage for countries of low food supply. On the other hand small agricultural countries will have to struggle for survival.

      • Tom

        How is cheap transportation downsizing? Why would they struggle for survival? If it’s an advantage for countries with low food supply then that’s all you need to know. The point is that with enough energy, food can be grown anywhere!

        • MikkaMakka

          Low energy costs will not change the rule that mass production is more profitable than small scale production. With cheap transportation more products will be carried from distant places with better economics (e.g., cheaper labor, megaindustry, etc.), and more manufacturing will be outsourced. I live in a small agricultural country where it is already happening with the current oil prices. Local farmers have difficulties to compete with the large agricultural firms thousand miles away.

          • Rockyspoon

            Most plants are dependent on the climate–something cold fusion won’t change locally. But transportation isn’t the only cost to farmers–they have to till the ground, plant, cultivate, fertilize, irrigate (in many places) and harvest. Those costs would be reduced drastically through CF, so there’d be an upside to locally-produced foodstuffs.

      • In a few years you will be growing your own food from home anyway. Plus, all the time you gain by not working as much – as everything will become cheaper – will give you the opportunity to visit local markets and trade vegetables instead. =)

        • MikkaMakka

          Why you, or your local farmer would raise a cow, if all of you can get cheap fresh milk from Argentina (supposing you are not from South America:-))? See my comment above.

          • I don’t think anyone should be drinking milk anyway; it’s too cruel a product.

            But let’s say you could get cheap apples from Argentina, you wouldn’t choose that either since the apples you grow yourself are free! Why go to work to be able to buy stuff from South America, when you can stay at home and be comfortable?

          • Tom

            No need for importing goods while energy is readily available to produce most products locally, by a community with allot of free time on their hands. And I mean most, including cars, houses, foods. Excluding maybe advanced computers and whatnot.

  • georgehants

    Have to say –think round the other way, remove all money and finance and base everything on production only.
    Millions actually out of work.
    People only working the hours and years fairly to maintain and improve every life quality.
    People automatically have a right to housing, food etc. etc. only those who work more for society are rewarded.
    A nurse becomes more important than somebody left a fortune by inheritance.
    No financial crisis’s as production will not alter everything is stable and only improving and more and more people out of work as technology takes over.
    People can enjoy their lives and not keep working to stupidly support pointless capitalism and it’s rich and powerful supporters.

    • Robert Mockan

      Within a few years robotics could eliminate the need for human labor for production of all necessities to maintain a high standard of living for every person.

      But like the future with LENR, I believe that future will only happen if EVERY PERSON knows how to build it, and does so.

    • Jan Kowalski

      Communism didnt work belive me. I was living in communist country – it was terrible experience.
      Never again!

      • dfnj

        It’s funny how people never remember anything good but only the bad. In the Northeast, people are most familiar with big-business think big-business is the problem with everything. In the Southest, people are most familiar with big-government think big-government is the problem with everything. Monopoly/Cartel or big-government-bureaucracy, what difference does it make. All forms of domination and slavery are awful.

  • georgehants

    From Phys Org.
    Sound increases the efficiency of boiling
    May 24, 2012
    Scientists at the Georgia Institute of Technology achieved a 17-percent increase in boiling efficiency by using an acoustic field to enhance heat transfer. The acoustic field does this by efficiently removing vapor bubbles from the heated surface and suppressing the formation of an insulating vapor film.

  • dfnj

    Personally, I hope E-cat turns out to be true. I think Rossi would be better served getting independent scientific verification now rather than later. He should have faith in the people of the World to reward him beyond his imagination. How much money does he want? By the time he can enjoy it he will be dead at the rate he is going. Every month is nothing but delay after delay. If his claims are true then everyday he delays independent verification could be concluded as a “crime” against humanity.

    If it is too good to be true then it probably isn’t. I heard a very good theory as to why Rossi exists. Rossi is financed by big-oil so governments think a solution to peak oil is just around the corner preventing big money projects in existing alternative energy technology.