When thinking of an electricity generating E-Cat with a COP of 6, it doesn’t take long to start wondering about whether one E-Cat can power another. If part of the electricity produced by an E-Cat can be used to provide the drive that another E-Cat requires to operate, with low cost nickel and hydrogen fuel you could be looking at extremely cheap energy on a very large scale provided by an interconnected system of E-Cats.
A poster here, Francisco das Chagas made the point here yesterday very clearly:
Remember: if the output is ELECTRICITY, there is NOTHING in the world that can prevent using the output of one device as input to the other two devices.
You may use a battery, an inversor, or any other thing between the two devices, but in the end, the ELECTRICITY produced by the first device SURELY can be used to power the second device. Nothing in the world can prevent it.
If one E-Cat produces 400 kilowatts of electrical energy, it can EASILY be the power source for TWO E-Cats, since two E-cats only need 332 kilowatts of input power.
One E-Cat can power two E-Cats.
Two E-Cats can power four E-Cats.
Four E-Cats can power eight E-Cats.
Eight E-Cats can power sixteen E-Cats
Get it? You can easily build a “chain of E-cats”, with just ONE E-Cat, with an input of 166 kilowatts, being the ultimate power source for 16 E-Cats, producing a grand total of 6400 kilowatts (400 x 16).
It’s the “miracle of the multiplication of energy”. Or call it any other name you want.
On the same topic, Hank Mills submitted the following:
More Than One Way to Loop an E-Cat
The E-Cat is the world’s first practical and robust cold fusion technology, and the revelation that the technology can now produce high temperature steam at 600C in a stable manner will allow for efficient production of electricity, which makes it possible for E-Cats to become completely closed looped.
What does being closed looped mean? It means that some of the output power of an E-Cat would be used to provide the input power. Due to the guaranteed minimum COP of an E-Cat being 6 — six units of energy out for every unit of energy in — one sixth of the output will need to be used to closed loop an E-Cat.
It should be mentioned that closed looping is a bit different than self sustaining. E-Cats already self sustain in that they can operate for periods of time with almost no input power. However, an E-Cat can only stay in this mode for a period of time until the electrical resistors have to be turned back on to stabilize the reactor core. If the resistors are not turned back on the reactor core can run away, melt the nickel powder, and make all nuclear reactions stop. In closed looping mode a portion of the output of an E-Cat producing electricity is used to provide the input power.
Closed looping an E-Cat would require an efficient way of converting the output (heat) to electricity. Thankfully, there are multiple efficient options when 600C steam is available. With this temperature of steam 40% or higher efficiencies are possible using steam turbines. In a closed loop E-Cat, a portion of this electrical output would be fed back into the system to provide the input for the radio frequency generators, sensors, and resistors. With 40% efficiency there should be more than enough electrical power produced to close the loop and produce power for the grid. But there are many possible ways to engineer the closed looping. This is where things can get quite interesting.
One possiblility is to have a system in which a plant composed of multiple E-Cat modules generates electricity and a portion of it is fed back into itself. Another possibility is to have two or more E-Cat plants where the output of each plant is fed into the input of other plants. Which setup is simpler is probably an issue of engineering. Efficiency is another issue — one setup might be more efficient than the other.
Of course in the not too distant future I think the self sustaining periods of these plants will be increased. This will make the whole closed looping issue super simple. Instead of a COP of 6 (which is already very high) it could end up being 10, 20, or even 100.
Andrea Rossi has stated he would like to build a large power plant utilizing a large number of one megawatt units which would all be connected to each other. The output of one plant would be feeding into the input of other plants. The COP of the entire plant would be infinite, because all the input power would be coming from the plant itself — no external power source would be needed.
Closed looping is where things get really exciting, and it could be about to happen for the E-Cat.