Defkalion GT Presents Data, Business Plans at NI Week

Defkalion Green Technologies sent a delegation to Austin for NI Week, and on Wednesday made a presentation about their technology and their upcoming business plans. DGT confirmed that they will be moving their operations to Vancouver, Canada, and their offices will be open for business starting in September.

DGT presentation included a slide show which described the technical aspects of their reaction. They explain that the reaction taking place in DGT’s Hyperions begins with an initial heating event, which excites the nickel powder, inside a hydrogen filled chamber. Then, short controlled discharges are applied by a spark plug-like apparatus which transforms the hydrogen into Rydberg State Hydrogen (RSH) atoms which react with the nickel lattice. When the hydrogen electrons are in the vicinity of the proton and nickel atom for a short moment, a transmutation effect is created, releasing gamma rays and heat production.

Defkalion reports that their reactors are manually fired around 10 times per hour to create the reactions, and that the COP ratio (energy in/energy out) ranges from 1:8 – 1:22, with maximum temperatures of 849 C. The maximum heat energy produced “per reaction cycle” is 92Wh.

One of the slides shows a before/after table of elements found in the reactor, indicating that various elements have undergone transmutation during the reaction process.

As far as commercialization of their technology goes, DGT says that they will be working towards obtaining industrial certifications and building industrial prototypes in the next months, and then in the next year setting up production lines and a support network. It’s possible that moving operations to Canada will have the effect of slowing progress, since they will have to deal with new sets of regulations to deal with, in addition to setting up new labs, offices and finding production facilities.

Videos of the DGT presentation can be seen below.

1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion.

2. The technical presentation (3 parts)

  • dsm

    An interesting set of presentations. Next we need the validations.
    Looking good.

    • daniel maris

      When you say 92 Whs presumably you mean Whs per hour – as opposed to over the whole run??

      • RichyRoo

        Doubt it; Wh per hour is watts (joules per second).

        Heres a quick example:
        A 2000watt (2kW) heater uses 2000 joules of energy per second
        Run the heater for an hour and you have used 2kWh (kilo Watt hours).

        A 1000W (1kW) heater uses 1000 joules of energy per second.
        Run the heater for one hour, 1kWh, two hours and its 2kWh.

        • daniel maris

          I understand that! Not clear from Frank (?)’s statement whether it was per hour or for a total session.

          • georgehants

            From E-Cat Report
            Nuclear Licensing To Be Suspended
            In a surprising move the other day, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission suspended the issue of any new licenses to build nuclear reactors. This is in response to several petitions filed by a variety of people and organizations. The NRC says that no new licenses will be issued until the problem of disposal of nuclear waste has been solved. This means, in common sense verbiage, never.
            This is a big move by the NRC. There are something like 14 nuclear power plants still in operation in the U.S. These will continue to be maintained, but no new nuclear power plants will be built until the problem is solved.

          • Omega Z


            The pretense is over the Waste storage??? All of a sudden… This is unusual for an election period.

            Maybe they are aware. We Hope…

          • Peter_Roe

            It does rather look like finding justification for a decision already taken on other grounds. The problem of waste treatment and disposal has been glaringly obvious since the beginning of the civil nuclear program, and governments have been happy to kick it down the road until now. The way that most contractors involved (such as Westinghouse) have hived off their nuclear operations as self-contained subsidiaries looks horribly like preparation for leaving governments with that particular baby, as the subsidiaries declare bankruptcy when profits nosedive.

            Interestingly there are now plenty of indications that LENR may provide some answers to this problem too (see the recent Storms video, and the ‘GeNiE’ reactor –

            Next, the UK? (only when Cameron has been safely shuffled off to a comfy life of trough-slopping at the EU I suspect).

          • georgehants

            I can’t believe you don’t want the Chinese to come and build us a load more nuclear power plants.
            Is it Cameron or his scientific advisers.
            China in talks to build UK nuclear power plants
            British officials talking to Chinese about plan that could see up to five reactors being built at cost of £35bn, sources say

          • GreenWin

            Omega, there clearly IS a HUGE waste issue that pols have not wanted to deal with. The cleanup at the Hanford WA nuclear facility is slated by DOE to take another 25 years at a cost of $125 Billion tax dollars.

            But fuel rod waste is a potential revenue stream for big LENR science. Mitsubishi in particular has developed LENR to mitigate (reduce half life) of radioactive waste from nuke plants. If former nuke builders follow suit, it could accelerate development of LENR for fuel rod disposal.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Defkalion Green Technologies moving to Vancouver with their three shells and small ball. What a shell game! Rossi is the real deal.

          • LCD

            At least I know who did third party tests for Defkalion. I don’t know anything about Rossi.
            Do you?
            And please don’t list Cures as your source.

          • Lu

            I noticed this as well. Don’t forget elections are coming up in November in the US and this may just be political posturing.

          • Robert

            The videos are useless but the reading is much better. Next up ICCF-17. Bring it on can’t wait hope it keeps the momentum up:)

          • LCD

            The videos with the slides are pretty useful though.

            Rydberg State Hydrogen, hmmmm.

          • Gene Quong

            Vancouver is becoming a leader in both computing and alternative energy with the following companies located in Burnaby (a suburb of Vancouver).

            Ballard Power a leader in fuel cells.
            General Fusion a leader in hot fusion research.
            D-Wave which has sold quantum computers to US companies which are the fastest supercomputers in the world.

            We are also home to TSE Venture exchange which is a world leader in financing mining companies which finance their operations using Initial Public Offerings and private placements.

  • Lu

    I’m very happy to see Defkalion presenting information about their Hyperion product. Hard to believe that Rossi, Celani, and Defkalion are all doing the same thing–LENR. Like chemical reactions LENR may be a whole family of nuclear reactions waiting to be discovered and used. The prospects are very exciting.

    Three things jump out at me after reading Defkalion’s PDFs. One, they’ve done on the face of it an amazing engineering and scientific feat. Quite remarkable really and it will be interesting to hear any scientific reaction to their claims.

    Two, there still is no independent third party identified which will vouch for Defkalion’s results. Enough said on this one.

    And third, their laboratory prototype, while impressive in the engineering and scientific realms, is operating in the less than kW range and I have to question whether they will be able to scale this up to the kW range as indicated in their specifications for a commercial product. They say they will be introducing their industrial prototype in the next few months so we will have to wait for this I guess. It seems they have a long way to go and they are now saying next year for “production lines and support networks.”

    Very exciting all around however.

    • Lu, “LENR may be a whole family of nuclear reactions waiting to be discovered and used.” You may well be right. I think that we are seeing a glimpse of the future, like looking into a room through the keyhole.

      Lu, “The prospects are very exciting.” Yes!

      • GreenWin

        Thank you Hank. I have just re-read DGT Xanthoulis’ statement to NyTeknik. He essentially admits to stealing Rossi’s technology without his knowledge. This is so damaging legally that unless DGT has an agreement of some sort with Rossi – they will never make it to market. Which is why it is interesting that both Dave Nagel and Mike Melich (US Navy) were apparently verifying DGT numbers in Xanthi. Dr. Melich’s continued presence on the Rossi Board of Advisers pretty well confirms that all these guys are working together – perhaps diversified approaches but with a common goal. And I find that laudable. So would Doug.

        Consider a roll out plan starting with various low level, low profile conferences leading to NI Week. Then Doc Celani builds and presents his demo and data. Then DGT presents their data and general design. More data and details follow next weeks at ICCF17. In September high temperature and high power yield data and design elements surface at Leonardo confab. Ordered, logical, constrained. That’s sorta how I would expect it.

        • h_corey

          That is a lot of moving pieces

          • artefact

            Next week:

            “A presentation of DGT’s technologies and progress, supported also by a scientific paper, are scheduled to be presented by DGT’s Hyperion product manager Menelaos Koulouris during the ICCF-17 in Korea”

        • Garry

          Unfortunately something that is unethical is not necessarily illegal. Plenty of brilliant people, like Rossi, can give up ideas that lack legal protection– patents or no patents. Plus, patents can be gotten around.

          So while DGT might have picked up the first ideas from Rossi, you can be sure their lawyer already has the letter ready to edit claiming the DGT developed new technology and plenty of other disclaimers.

          My bet is they hope to have amassed enough patent estate and presence that they can pose for a buyout from the likes of some big oil company. Look at Yahoo and AOL… other also rans… Even if they come in second or third in the race to the market, you can bet someone will pay a pretty penny for them– especially if they have patents that have a smittance of credibility.

          I am not saying any of the above is right… I’ve just seen it happen in my business again and again. Some would call it extortion– others would call it shrewd business savvy.

          I think it’s wrong, but then I don’t make the laws.

          • GreenWin

            You also don’t KNOW law. A summary judgment or injunction shuts down DGT permanently until they can prove in court they did not steal someone else’s IP. Check the law in North America and EU covering IP e.g. for theft of copyright, trademark or patents. Copy a DVD and sell it – you can go to jail for 10 years. Should they not win the case – defendants are subject to criminal and civil penalties under the new ACTA 2011 IP law.

            If DGT does not have a license for IP their CEO said was taken without permission – someone’s going to jail and it ain’t Rossi. Popcorn anyone??

          • Veblin

            I don’t see a problem. You can patent a particular reactor design, but the only thing these reactors have in common is nickel powder, hydrogen and an electric heater.

            It is not like making an exact copy of a DVD.

          • David

            They had nothing before Rossi went to Greece.
            No research, neither the Company.
            So they stole the technology, it’s very simple.

          • Veblin

            And Rossi had nothing before he stole the idea from Piantelli. And Piantelli let his patent lapse.

          • georgehants

            Updates from ICCF-17
            August 10, 2012 / Ruby Carat / 0 comment(s)
            Cold Fusion Now is attending the 17th International Conference on Cold Fusion ICCF-17 in Daejeon, Korea in the form of science fiction author and CFN contributor Arthur Robey traveling from Australia, and patent lawyer and author David French, who trekked (…)

          • David

            Piantelli hasn’t got any useful device, maybe a prototype with very low output and very far from commercialization

          • Garry

            It sounds simple until the lawyers get involved. They could have looked inside the reactor, seen the premise, realized there was a more fundamental approach not covered by the basic patent, and voila– they have a patent workaround.

            If you patent two sticks rubbing together to make fire, and then I find out that rubbing two rocks together creates heat and I can set leaves on fire with that… I can patent. Unless you patent “rubbing to make heat”, and show it is not prior art or “nature” (you cannot patent nature– see the current fights around gene patents), the patent for “rubbing rocks” is a valid workaround.

          • GreenWin

            Try to grasp the idea of guy who admits he stole your recipe for fried chicken and then went and started the Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise.

            Even a first year law student could win this case. Which would not be filed until KFC is worth a couple billion $$. KFC then has to choose – give the plaintiff 50% of its gross value or go BK.

          • Veblin

            Try to grasp the idea of guy who admits he knew your recipe for fried chicken but then made his own different recipe for fried chicken because he couldn’t use yours and he thought his was better.

          • Peter_Roe

            That was certainly an incredibly stupid admission to make. A defense could be mounted on several grounds of difference, and on prior art (e.g. Raney nickel) but it would almost certainly be cheaper and less disruptive if they could agree a royalty payment with Rossi. Unless of course they are all in it together and the ‘war’ is fake, as GreenWin has intimated.

          • GreenWin

            Seriously Doug, when the CEO of a company tells a public reporter he has appropriated a formula he had NO prior knowledge of, by subterfuge – he has bought himself a jail term, bankruptcy or both. You make a lousy lawyer:)

            Which is why the charade of competition is quaint, but unconvincing. Still, I get to sell millions of tickets to my reality show! And popcorn for $5/bag! $7.50 with real butter.

          • Garry

            This is honestly the most flawed example I have seen. Gawd are you naive.

          • Garry

            Greenwin: LOL. Apparently you don’t know patents. Summary judgment will do NOTHING because US law will not have purview. You are arguing with the wrong person on this one, dude. As to summary judgement, you are talking two nations with very different court systems (Italy and Greece) where the original “contract” existed, and now you are talking two corporations that are in two new countries (US and Canada).

            Have you seen the original contract? Do you know whether they had an agreement to not reverse engineer? Do you kno what Rossi might have said on or off contract? Again, what is unethical is not necessarily illegal. Ask Mitt Romney.

            The point is not whether it is right or not what DGT did. I think it was wrong. What is important is the lawyers will gum up the works. Peronally, I hope Rossi beats the sh*& out of them. But the original point is still true– DGT will make money.

            Also, unfortunately, plenty of ideas sneak through the edges of patents. Ever looked at Rossi’s first patent? I have– and I know patent law through and through. I spend a good part of my work days looking at supposedly well written patents and finding places where there might be workarounds. Rossi’s main US patent has issues…. I suspect he’s started to fill the holes by now, and I wish him the very best, but the original patent did not have enough meat to protect on all fronts. I am betting DGT is not as dumb as we would want them to be.

        • Omega Z


          They may all be competing, but there could also be some collaboration going on in the background or through intermediaries.

        • Lu

          There was no admission of stealing by Defkalion, only knowledge with the claim that they did not use it. Also Rossi is on record as saying that Defkalion does not know his technology.

          At this point in time, nobody publicly knows with certainty that Rossi’s or Defkalion’s technology even works, let alone how it works. Also if it does work they would probably have to disclose key elements in order to prove that it has been stolen and that is unlikely by either party. I don’t see anything resulting from this and any concern is way overblown, IMO.

          • GreenWin

            Lu, with respect for your technical knowledge – you also make a BAD lawyer. Xanthoulis’ statement and publication thereof in a professional magazine, NyTeknik is incriminating under a dozen international agreements and law. To suggest otherwise is an ignorance of Intellectual Property case law.

            Which makes it more likely Xanthoulis is using Rossi/Focardi IP legally by license.

          • Garry

            The unfortunate thing about lawyers is they are paid to disagree. Any lawyer can state anything they want, but put more than two in a room and that’s when the lawsuits begin. This will not be over any time soon, and DGT will, unfortunately, likely get backing from a deep pockets backer.

            Bottom line: there will be fight and then a buyout and a settlement (in my opinion). That ssaid, there is ZERO evidence the DGT technology is stolen. Doesn’t matter what the CEO says… he can say one thing and they did something else for all you know.

          • GreenWin

            dug, ignorance is not an excuse for unlawful action. Remember the deniers mantra – what evidence do you have?? Er, what do you call a verbal confession to a journalist which is then published in the profession???

            May I suggest you start with Black’s Law Dictionary?

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    August 10th, 2012 at 2:42 AM
    Dear Larry Jameson:
    Our manufacturing concerns will evolve with the product. The high temperature module is not idle, is ready for production. The economical trend of the products will be similar to the other consolidated technologies and, of course, will be affected by economy scale. Thank you for your attention,
    Warm Regards,

  • Ivan Mohorovicic

    Peter Gluck posted this answer to his previous open letter by Prof. Sunwon Park and Dr. Frank Gordon, the leader-organizers of ICCF-17:

    • daniel maris

      Looks like it should be at least as interesting as the NI conference! 🙂

  • Kim

    Every one likes to climb Mt. Everest.

    Now we have a new one. LENR.

    No definite theory.

    No definite Product.

    Now we have 2 Mount Everest.

    The economy is dying or at status.

    Tell big oil to suck it up and learn to be
    creative and forward progressive, instead of
    sucking on teats.


  • Chris

    “The maximum heat energy produced is 92Wh.”

    I don’t get it, perhaps I need to see the videos. Are you sure you got it right? I could understand them giving a maximum thermal power, but not a maximum energy and that small, it’s a light bulb burning for an hour.

    • admin

      Thanks,Chris, I should have been clearer. The Heat production numbers refer to amount of heat produced “per reaction cycle.”

      Electric energy consumed pertriggered reaction cycle: Minimum — <1Wh , Maximum -- 2Wh
      Heat energy produced per reaction cycle: Minimum -- 16Wh, Maximum -- 92Wh

      • artefact

        Minimum is at ~180C and Maximum at 849C core temperature

        • artefact

          I might be wrong with that. The think the table in the PDF is leaves it open at what time the max. COP is reached…

      • Pachu

        16/2 = 8 minimun COP but

        92/2 = 46 looks like more than 22…

        • Kim

          I need to know:

          How much energy in.

          How much energy out.

          That is It!


  • Gregory Lee

    Then there’s a way to increase COP to 1:100 or more. Right now.

    Thane heinz’s “Regenerative acceleration” device that has pratically operates on Zero Point Energy technology. Although the inventor is loath to say it aloud but it’s very much so alluded to .

    This device has been refused by all major powers be at major automobiles, energy, manufacturing compnaies world around for fear of reprisal from evne bigger and more powerful money barons .

    Thane Heinz’s latest technology CAN and it DOES produce near almost infinite COP by itself too if you could fit more coils into the system.

    At present time it does require small electrical energy to start it and even smaller energy to keep it’s rotor rotation. At present time the older generation test model has been verified to run at 200% times the output at 40% less input. Needless to say more recent the latest model is even more impressive but it is kept under wrap.

    Theoretically regenerative technology can be self sustained or maintained very close to infinitesium COP due to extremely low power requirement after it goes into generating mode. At one point we should be able to get complete self sustain mode, which is what power companies are so fearful about. Can you imagine what could be achieved if you could combine the two technologies ?

    • Kim

      The world is full of moral retards.

      and people just keep on as usual.

      nothing to see here.

      Its amoral behavior.

      Morality needs to be the first agenda

      Its what this all about.

      We need to start teaching our children morality
      Then every good thing will follow

      Its a no brainer


  • I am thrilled they are moving to my area.

    The tone again changes a bit hopefully the industrial prototype
    is the 40 KW model. The time line envelope slides forward.

    Still I hope for the best this is an exciting surprise and cause
    for optimism.

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