For Discussion: Communiqué from Attendees at ICCF-17 on Replication Project

I have received the following from a representative of a group of attendees at the recent 17th International Conference on Cold Fusion in South Korea. The intention of publishing here is to stimulate discussion and generate ideas. Please, relevant and constructive comments only on this thread, as the discussion will be used to inform the project.

South Korea, 18 August 2012

Communiqué

Following an inspirational ICCF-17, attendees from the conference have solicited the agreement of key stakeholders to facilitate replications of an experiment that has shown to reliably demonstrate excess anomalous heat. We aim to enable at least 5 replications in disparate geographies, by respected authorities, to remove all doubt that this field is legitimate and has a role to play in securing the future.

The effort will be socially funded and this is where you come in.

– Which experiment that was discussed at ICCF-17 and/or NI Week do you think lends itself most to replication in order to meet the stated aim?
– What minimum protocol would you want participants to follow?
– What information would you like to be made public?
– What rewards would you suggest should be offered as part of the social funding exercise?
– What should the reproduction effort be called
– Given that the power measurement equipment costs $25,000 per set up, what amount do you think would need to be raised in the social funding effort to meet the aims?

There are some significant legal and technical issues to resolve, but it is believed that they are not insurmountable. It is the world’s opportunity to end the guessing game and ensure that this field of science finally realises its potential.

It is expected there will be an associated website, dedicated to this effort, within a number of weeks where you will be able to more directly approach the proposal.

  • Lu

    Dick Smith’s offer of $1M for a LENR device that demonstrates 1KW of energy should be easy pickings if he is a man of his word.

    http://dicksmithaustralia.com/

  • Don Witcher

    This communique, when read objectively, basically states that Cold Fusion is still in the same state that it was in in 1989 after Pons and Fleischmann made their announcement. Think about it. Is that the message that needs to be conveyed to the World at this point in time.

    • I imagine they are just being careful to be objective and make no pre-suppositions. However I don’t think this initiative would exist if there was no expectation of success.

  • John

    Dr. Celani should offer to sell preloaded wires for replication experiments. students and Experimenters all over the world could begin to do their own experiments. They could used the Celani samples as a control. if anyone could do their own replication, it will change everything.

  • LCD

    1 thing I don’t like about his experiment is the thermocouple placement on wire I think it’s easy to do that but I’d like to see something that spreads out the heat. Flow calorimetry sure, but maybe something as simple as an insulator around the wire to evenly spread the heat out. With such a lower COP, it’s tough to rule out that wherever you place a thermal couple the wire gets hotter.

  • david

    Article about 17th International Conference on Cold Fusion
    from phys.org.

    http://phys.org/wire-news/106413196/17th-international-conference-on-cold-fusion-held-in-kaist-south.html

    • cx

      posted already

  • david

    Article about Martin Fleischmann from Financial Times.

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/4f1c41e8-e66e-11e1-ac5f-00144feab49a.html

    • daniel maris

      At last an obituary that tell something of the truth. Is the fact that it is the Financial Times significant? Probably. The money men have far more reason to keep watch on developments than do orthodox physicists.

      • Jim Johnson

        General Formula

        1) Mission Statement = Create a high reliability “cookbook” for reproducing Celani/NIWeek-grade results
        2) General Plan – expansion of this list
        3) Engagement from Celani, others who have done experimental work (at minimum to review the experiment plan)
        4) An starting experiment plan
        > best available starting point “cookbook” for replicating Celani/NIWeek or other results (note this is the first of 3 Lab Work Stages, in this model)
        > Lab Work Stage 1: decide on the most likely approach, and create a draft cookbook
        5) A “business plan”
        > governance, roles and responsibilities, finance model, intellectual property rights, social funding recognition, etc.
        > Keep It Simple on the first draft
        6) A high level project plan (Excel might be enough)
        > Phases: setup, launch, Stage 2 lab work (lab work initiation, lab results tracking, results analysis), Stage 3 lab work (ditto), summarization, publication
        > Lab Work Stage 2: experiment to update and make the cookbook reliable
        > Lab Work Stage 3: distribute for replication by other groups.
        > Major steps per phase
        7) A kickstarter.com proposal (roll up all of the above into one of their formats)(or other social funding idea?)
        8) Funding recruitment (start with pledges)
        > The better the plan, the better the chance of finding an “angel” who will fund the whole thing.
        > Social funding reward = name on donors list
        > to be published on web
        > distributed in a mailing to major institutions
        > other
        9) Experiment operator recruitment (finding someone trustworthy and with good reputation: Celani associate? NI? The guy that tested Patterson? The people who attested to Brillouin?)
        10) Some kind of contract
        > indemnification, IP rights, payment procedures, etc.
        11) A share document repository / wiki
        > VERY important, because we need to start collecting and compiling ideas and text drafts, and unfortunately cannot do that in blog format.
        12) Sweat equity, payback in psychic income, finest kind (how many opportunities to save the world?)
        12.a) Admin (including bookkeeping)
        12.b) Project Oversight
        12.c) Governance
        12.d) Advisory Board

        Serious engagement starts when the Wiki is set up. Then all these things can be worked on in parallel, and we can start to see who and what we have to work with.

        I’ll be looking for that.

        Let’s do ‘er!
        Jim

        • Jim Johnson

          – Which experiment that was discussed at ICCF-17 and/or NI Week do you think lends itself most to replication in order to meet the stated aim?
          > I vote Celani’s, but I didn’t see much of the others
          – What minimum protocol would you want participants to follow?
          > Celani’s, but see comment above, it may need to be refined
          – What information would you like to be made public?
          > 100%, every pixel, every bit, every pencil scratch
          – What rewards would you suggest should be offered as part of the social funding exercise?
          > See above: wide publication of names, maybe a plaque
          – What should the reproduction effort be called
          > Galileo
          – Given that the power measurement equipment costs $25,000 per set up, what amount do you think would need to be raised in the social funding effort to meet the aims?
          > This needs the first several steps from above, all of which can be done on sweat equity and relatively minor communications and internet service costs.

          • Malmahey

            I like the project name Galileo – thumbs up!

            Also like the idea of a wiki, but moderation would be a full time job. The task of weeding out pointless posts from both jaded psychoskeptics and reality impaired free energy hippies would be a headache.

          • Ivan_cev

            Phoenix. should be called Phoenix because it was raised from it’s ashes

          • Malmahey

            Galileo is relevant but has already been used for a space probe mission.

            Phoenix sounds neat and involves heat, but isn’t that relevant.

            How about the Fleischmann Project?

          • Paul Hunt

            Name it the Celani project.

          • Jim Johnson

            Regretfully, paid entry is the only way to go with the wiki. Best entertainment $ I could spend.

          • Malmahey

            OK here’s my last project name idea.

            Prometheus
            Sought to bring the heavenly fire to mankind and was punished for defying the gods.

        • – Which experiment that was discussed at ICCF-17 and/or NI Week do you think lends itself most to replication in order to meet the stated aim?

          That’s easy: the hydrino reactor Dr. Storms talked about ay the end of his presentation (see coldfusionnow.org for the excellent and very informative video). Dr. Mills was in the audience. It has been validated 6 times now, so why not go in the direction the horse is running?

          – What minimum protocol would you want participants to follow?

          I wouldn’t presume to impose my ideas on scientists who know what they’re talking about. So long as they stick with the sceintific method, I’m there.

          – What information would you like to be made public?

          The status of Mills’ projects and an ETA on their delivery to market.

          – What rewards would you suggest should be offered as part of the social funding exercise?

          No rewards are necessary.Nowever, a home hydrino reactor would be great!

          – What should the reproduction effort be called

          Operation Truth

          – Given that the power measurement equipment costs $25,000 per set up, what amount do you think would need to be raised in the social funding effort to meet the aims?

          My guess is aboutr $150,000.

        • s

          A much simpler formula:
          1. Find a venture capitalist
          2. Let the VC’s scientists perform an independent test to verify the device
          3. Collect 10’s of millions of dollars.

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    August 18th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
    Dear Stefano:
    Our industrial E-Cats are already in the market. As for the domestic I think that the Certificarors will need enough experience with the industrial application to certify also the domestic ones. The good new is that we have now engineered our E-Cats to let them work with gas instead of with electricity, so that now we do not need electric kWh to produce thermic kWh.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Mark

      Dear Mr. Rossi,
      I am awfully sorry, but You
      are selling licenses, not E-CATS.
      As You know, it is a slight differences
      between these two entities.
      Sincerely, MZ.

      • dragonX

        One is paper (licenses), the other would be a miracle device (1 MW cold fusion plant).

        • Dear Mr. Rossi.
          I am a successful business man.
          I watch your every move with admiration.

          I really believe you have been making the right moves and choices.
          Apart from your original mistake in dealing with those Defkalion MUPPET’S.
          However you did well to get well away from them with their big talk and no action puppetry, to form alliances with respectful entities.

          You are right to stick with the larger applications to big firms with good confidentiality disclosures in place. As with a home e-cat every one sold will be dismantled and copied.

          With a few good contracts in hand there will be no need for main stream media which could only become a serious risk to you as ‘big oil’ at that stage will want to eradicate you like a rabbit..

          I realize public disclosure and the internet is your best safety net. Good work with that.

          You ‘are’ doing a great job!
          You are making the right choices!
          Keep to your path, and don’t compromise your objectives with fools and snakes.

          Kind Regards

  • georgehants

    O, now I wonder if anybody has thought of Nickle. Ha.
    —–
    Science News
    … from universities, journals, and other research organizations
    Platinum Is Wrong Stuff for Fuel Cells Because It Wastes Energy, Expert Says.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120712111746.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fmatter_energy%2Fchemistry+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Matter+%26+Energy+News+–+Chemistry%29

  • Cliff Bradley

    I think the name of the project should be “phoenix”, because it is coming to life again after going down in flames with Pons and Fleischmann.

  • Andreiko

    Honourable amongst them federalists, I am inventor and have several patents on my name, by a photo of the high temperature e-cat I have an idea how the principle works but I want Dr. Rossi in no way walk in the road, on the other hand, I have the need to make known the principle. Can someone give me an opinion?