New Interview with Francesco Celani

The Italian web site has published a new interview with Francesco Celani, famous now for the LENR device which he has demonstrated at recent conferences in Texas and South Korea. The interview covers a number of interesting topics. As best as I can determine from the Google translated article, here are some of his main points.

Andrea Rossi — Celani thinks Rossi has discovered something but can’t control it.
National Instruments — Very impressed with CEO James Truchard, who was personally involved in helping Celani set up the instrumentation to measure his device.
Palladium — He thinks palladium could be used in this reaction, but prefers to use nickel which is far cheaper.
Gamma Rays — They have not been able to detect gamma rays when hydrogen has been used in the reactor — only with deuterium.
Commercialization — Celani has been funded by private entrepreneurs who prefer to remain anonymous. His projection is to be able to create heat at 100 euros per kW, and electricity at 300 euros per kW. Here’s the exact text from the Google translation on this point:

“Simply put, with 300 euros you can get 3 kW and 1 kW electric heat: this value is the average power electricity consumed in a private house in a day (ie 24kWh/giorno). Suppose instead of using it as heating, with 1000 euro investment in wires (most obviously controls / pumps), you warm all winter and not just for one year.”

If there are any Italian speakers out there I would be most grateful if you could correct any of the above, or add any more important details from the interview.

  • alexvs

    An excellent interview. Dr. Celani responds as a true scientific should do. Honest, humble and open minded. Dr. Arata has done very important research too totally consistent with Dr. Celani in the common research area.

  • georgehants

    From Cold Fusion Now.
    President Obama and Cold Fusion LENR” Is an October Surprise Immanent, Eminent, and Imminent? Part 2
    September 4, 2012 / Gregory Goble

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    September 4th, 2012 at 9:27 AM
    Dear Brian:
    Yes, we will have another third party validation very soon of which a video will be produced and diffused.
    Warm Regards,

    • Pachu

      If its like the one posted in Australian e-cat site, keep it please, doesnt help a bit.

      • It might be an idea to see what is actually to be presented before making pointless negative noises.

  • Robyn

    Any love lost between Celani and Rossi (and there seems to be little) is no problem for me.

    Celani has performed an invaluable service to the world by demonstrating his LENR device, and publishing their findings.

    Rossi is taking a different direction. Fair enough.

    The world doesn’t even know it’s waiting.

    • GreenWin

      Robyn, there is no love “lost” on this team.

  • JC

    OT: An inventor named Dale Basgall of Hawaii has been working on a design of a Universal LENR Reactor, and would like comments as to whether his design seems likely to work.

    • GreenWin

      There are some well-meaning people who warn that changes of technology as radical as LENR represents is socially dangerous. While instinct suggests this is an overreaction – it is always wise to listen. Indeed, the difference between human evolution energized by combustion and the binding energy contained in the atom – is enormous. Some contend it to be a “quantum leap;” a sudden giant step that may do more harm than good.

      However, if we consider the path we have been on, controlled by the powers that steer the Earth’s direction – we stand at a precipice demanding a great leap forward. A simple overview of inequalities on Earth tells us there are billions without access to the very basics of healthful survival. Clean water, food, shelter, and hygiene to start with. Some may view the task of providing these minimal elements an impossible challenge. It is a “quantum leap” in conscious compassion. But it is not necessarily impossible in physical or technical execution.

      Introduction of global low cost energy will not happen overnight, or in a year or even a decade. It will take a full generation at least. And far from being a sudden transition from combustion to nucleonic – it need be administered slowly, and carefully so as to preserve the social and economic systems that work. The administration of such change requires the wisdom and talents of many. It is by far the greatest challenge to humankind until now.

      But we believe we have the skills and talents and compassion to build a new infrastructure, distribute access, and steward the resources of the planet. The gradual reduction in fossil exploitation alone is an enormous change for the good. Obviating over-reliance on erratic resources like wind and solar makes the technical challenges more realistic. We will no longer have to scar the landscape or litter the oceans with machines and contraptions to capture scarce energy. Energy will come from the near-invisible infinite, consuming a tiny fraction of combustion resources.

      Transition to LENR-energy requires an Olympic effort from all nations and all people. It requires the services of the international “best and brightest” to visualize social, political and technological administration of resources. Yes, it is quantum challenge – but one whose time has come, and whose rewards are uplifting of all.

      • Dear Greenwin, you seems the one to appreciate reading “The Next Convergence”, as this book talk of that kind of productivity transitions, of managing the creative-destruction, avoiding to slow the transition, but also avoiding destruction before creation…
        Inequality are well diagnosed too, as it says that in a stable society with low groth, the rich concentrate the wealths and things stays inequal. In fast growing society ther is growing inequality, but minimum income get higer, and inequality of icome is not a question of family wealth but of how connected are those people to the growin economy… rural or urban, lucky or loser…

        the role of the government is not to keep the old economy, but to manage it’s burial (not easy), protecting the people, not the old jobs.

        LENR will be terrible for old jobs, but fantastic for new jobs, and also for new comfort, new leisure, new sharing… like have been the industrial growth in the 60s (at least in, europe when we converge to highest economy level of US) or later (see japan, Korea… China in process… same as US/Korea/Japan in 15-20 years)…

        It would also ask courage from todays generation to invest in LENR, losing our jobs, and finding new ones, instead of trying to save the jobs of yesterday. Much courage also to accept that we have to work less, because we have nothing more to consume, at least not enough more compared to the huge productivity gain. (don’t laugh, for German, US, Japanese, Korean, it is a hard to learn vacation).

        by the way, read also “the third industrial revolution” someone advise me about it… (not yet read).

        • Andrew Macleod

          Fortunately I don’t think we will see such a sweeping change as some of us hope/fear for. Sadly most of our sweeping technologicial changes we have had in the past were catalized by war. WWI advanced the areoplane and internal combustion engine, then again in WWII with jet power, rockets and atomic bombs. The cold war advanced computers and guidence systems along with GPS devices, Internet(arpnet), ect ect. Today’s technologies are borne from the blood of our fathers and enemys. If a sweeping change is to come we have more to fear than the economics of introducing this wonderful new power source.

          • GreenWin

            Andrew, you may not recognize the battle going on at this very moment – albeit on another plane. The “infowars” for the hearts and minds of humans is well underway. Had the rebels not succeeded as far as they have – it is highly unlikely we would see LENR grown as it has.

            The computers and gadgets of infowars fortunately do not hold a candle to the forces that have unveiled cold fusion. The catalyst in the vessel of an LENR reactor is changing far more than the table of elements.

          • Karl

            The fruits of WW1, WW2, Cold War etc. is obvious for us today. It is certainly an interesting way to look at the current and perhaps coming “infowar” that it in the end will result in virtually unlimited energy solutions to be used freely by masses.

          • Andrew Macleod

            I would love to see a World not using fossil fuels. I just don’t want to see another world war. I wonder what kind of reaction the general public will have(especially in north America) when they find out they have been duped by their own elected officials. I’m not one for controversys but I honestly believe that the government in power in 89 told the university’s doing the testing to have negitive results with promise for more funding. Hence the wake for cold fusion before the test results were in.

          • atanguy

            No Andrew, they didn’t need to: The self-interest of the ‘hot fusion’ oligarchy was enough.

          • this is not the view of that article:
            “One line summary: War does not lead to prosperity and only marginally to new tech– a debunking—the tech advances gained by war can be obtained in peace by careful incubating of tech seeds and the adroit management and exploitation of those tech seeds that do sprout–yet usually the opposite policies, ruinous in economic effect, are the default setting of many powerful bureaucractic forces.
            War during Maslow Window is a particular disaster.”

          • Andrew Macleod

            I agree with the assessment. However without war no great leaps and bounds are made. What ends up happening is new tech is slowly filtered to the public with minor improvements made. I’m sure you have noticed this with many things , tvs, cars, cellphones, computers ect ect. It keeps people consuming. As with WWI at the start we had monoplanes that used wires to bend the wings to turn, 3 years later 10 monoplanes could compete with 1 Fokker dr1. Very fast advancement and implementation.

          • GreenWin

            Andrew, this may sound outlandish, but consider too there may be people with advanced technology willing to trade it – for power, hegemony, control of entire species.

          • Omega Z


            War & preparation for the next war is an economic & technology driver. Not so much for the U.S.. Our technology has reached a point where the economic drive is now minimal. 1 aircraft can do what use to require several hundred & 1000’s of bombs & do it with a near 100% success rate.

            Without past wars, our technology would have lagged by decades or centuries. War gives urgency to technical advances. Without these advances, we probably wouldn’t have the knowledge for LENR.

            That Said- An Economic driver doesn’t have to be of a Militaristic Origin. Especially in today’s World.

            A Space exploration project would accomplish the same thing. Economic & Technological drive. Capable of generating $7 worth of jobs for every $1 spent.

            Nations could take pride in their Space prowess & accomplishments instead of Military prowess. Working together instead of against each other. Without having to Kill 1 another.

          • I have no personnale opinion to oppose, yet nextbigfuture article seems documented.

            I agree that crazy projects like Apollo space race, or alike might have the same effect.

            however now I think that simply the catch-up of underdevelopper countries as explaine in “the next convergence” might be the best project.
            This catch-up is not only about transmitting our occidental know-how to emergin countries, bit it can be the occasion to allow new solutions…
            see how the mobile infrastructure develope in emerging countries, compared to countries having huge incumbent copper network… In Indonesia I was using 3G (not so expensive for Indonesian of middle-class), while in France I cannot afford it for my computer…

            in Africa for example I expect LENR to be used much more frequently, and the grid to be abandoned and not built.
            Once they catch-up they will quickly develop new application matching their different history, application that will later be adopted in old developed countries….

        • GreenWin

          Alain, thank you for your thoughtful comments. I value the ideas proposed in this forum.

      • atanguy

        GrenWin, I think that the main change coming from LENR is that energy will be distributed differently: Instead to be monopolized by a few individuals and companies, each of us will have access to the energy he/she needs. This will have the biggest impact on the society and relationship between humans.

      • Tony76

        “it need be administered slowly, and carefully so as to preserve the social and economic systems that work.”

        High density populations (cities) have proven to be and currently are evolutionary anomalies. Past civilizations featuring dense mega populations have crashed, as ours is doing right now. “Social and economic systems” are attempts at control of the pathology caused by dense herding. To preempt comments about Luddites and anti-progress : living in a rural/small town does not mean either of these things. With modern technology of information, energy and health, human-scale societies can live well naturally without bureaucrats and overlords.

        If people who choose to leave the herd (cities) and can produce locally their own factories, food, water and shelter .., if the need for policing and bureaucrats drops to quasi zero (as they do in reality) … what “administration, social and economic systems that work.” will be needed? Why must this change occur slowly?

        • GreenWin

          Tony76 – thank you for your thoughtful questions! It is by this very process of dialog that success will arise IMO. My understanding of your cautionary notes are that the mega-lopolis indulges itself not unlike a glutton – finally crashing from indulgence and lack of mobility and expansion.

          I do not propose to preserve the exploitative centralized controls of the mega-lopolis – I agree these are not social structures working to benefit human endeavor. The very nature of low cost, highly accessible energy suggests distributed energy – the antithesis of centralized service and control.

          Indeed the expansion of small communities, self-supporting, reliant, and serene – need no overseeing social structure. Economies as in a mutually agreed upon barter system (e.g. currency globally recognized) is a vital component of independence. Without such, we return to fiefdoms and nation states with sovereign geographic boundaries.

          Urban density arises I believe, from human herding instinct and the thought that jobs (survival opportunity) proliferate in cities. I see LENR as freeing individuals from the tether of the grid, and urban constraint. A global system of barter seems reasonable if not essential. However, the role of the governor is reduced as their protection and mothering is no longer a component of independent life. Hopefully this sounds vaguely like the thoughts of the American Founders, circa 1776.

  • clovis

    Hi, guys
    Just read through, interesting conversations,
    I will only add that it is my belief that Mr. Rossie has been in total control of his discovery and leads the field in lenr research .
    You may guess but he and his partner alone knows the seceret sauce.
    There are other processes, of obtaining this effect. it is my belief that
    A.R’s has a uniqueness, that is his own, and will protect it to his end.
    And full well knows what he’s up against, and is well capable of finishing his objective of getting his product out to the world.

    • Andrew Macleod

      I think his pass has taught him valuable lessons, and will serve him well moving forward.

  • Jacob

    Actually St.Peter was leader on Cold Fusion and all other nuclear phenomena.
    St.peter predicted 2000 years ago ” The time comes when the elements decompose”.
    St.Peter was a simple fisher man.

  • georgehants

    Mark Saker
    September 4th, 2012 at 11:49 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    Will the conference in Zurich or the report show any pictures of the domestic or single hot cat reactor?
    Andrea Rossi
    September 4th, 2012 at 2:20 PM
    Dear Mark Saker:
    Yes, I will.
    Warm Regards,

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    September 4th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
    Dear Gianvico Pirazzini Architetto:
    I swear I am going to Zurich at my full expenses, to meet our Licensees and some public to give information. I will not get a single cent. I ignore how much costs to attend, honestly is not my business, probably there are hotel and restaurant expenses, I do not know. I told to my wife that there is people paying 300 Euro to listen to me: she said she would not listen to me even for free: “nemo propheta in patria sua est”.
    Warm Regards,

  • cx

    So the third party report being presented this weekend that will have the name details etc of the party that did the tests right.

    • jfab

      Don’t expect too much from the “report”, it will be some unknown guy (or small company) without any credibility, just like that clown on october 2011 “demo”.

      • Francesco CH

        Einstein said: “there are only two thing that are infinite. One is the universe and the other is the stupidity of mankind. However, I am not sure about the universe.”

        If a person is unknown to you, it does not mean that this person is without any credibility and/or unknown to other people.

        • jfab

          Indeed, so what? If these “other people” don’t have better credibility then himself, it’s still BS.

    • Andrew Macleod

      I’m not expecting much from this comming report. I believe the 3rd party stuff is scheduled for an October release. What interests me is the performance details in the current ecat development. If there is a garentee of performance in this report it will be the first document released by Leocorp that I have seen, and if I’m not mistaken legally binding.

  • Ron

    What amazes me most is that none of these Italians can afford a proper translator for their work. Google translations are poor. For example, what is meant is for 300 euros you should be able to buy a unit that generates 3KW of heat continuously and perhaps 1KW of electricity (33% eff). No price was estimated for fuel. At least Mr. Rossi is understandable though far from perfect in English.

    • GreenWin

      The result of disenfranchising an entire area of science.

      • ivan_cev

        And why they have to speak english, Why you do not speak Italian, Why that sence of Implied superiority?

        • shinanju

          It’s not about “superiority” except in one narrow sense: superior number of speakers. English is the most common second language in the world. It’s the global language of trade and science. German is also a common science language, like Mandarin is for trade, but English is still incredibly popular.

          It’s not because it’s “better” than other languages — it’s got strengths (lots of loan words for shades of meaning, easy conjugation) and weaknesses (one of the hardest languages to spell properly) — but it _is_ widely used. And it’s pretty much expected, internationally, that if you have an important scientific paper, you’re going to want to publish an English version of it for one of the Western peer-reviewed journals.