Aldo Proia: Pordenone Meeting 'Great Success', Good for Business.

A new interview with Prometeon srl CEO Aldo Proia following the Pordenone E-Cat meeting has been published by Italian web site Proia talks about the current state of his business affairs, and indicates that things are going well. When asked about the effect of the meeting in Italy he responds:

I can say that if the ‘ interest by some companies was already high before the conference of Pordenone, now it is even more . The comments that I recorded by these after the event, in fact, have been very positive and the business proposals vaguely mentioned by Rossi are highly attractive for an ‘ energy-consuming industry . I am therefore very pleased with what we have done so far, although we are definitely just the beginning.

A few key points that come out from the interview are:

  • The first product on the market will be the “Gas Cat” — i.e., a 1 MW plant which uses natural gas as the drive — it will be more economical in places where electricity is more than 9 cents per kW/h.
  • After a payback time of about 4 years, E-Cat users will save 80 percent on heating costs.
  • Italy and the United States are in pole position to be manufacturing bases of E-Cat products. The last place to get production facilities will be China, based on how intellectual property is treated there.
  • He expects to see Hot Cat products on the market within a year (Rossi states ‘within 2013’
  • He doesn’t expect that domestic E-Cat units will be available for two years based on certification requirements.

    Aldo Proia and Andrea Rossi with Hot Cat
  • Giuliano Bettini

    To be honest, it does not seem so simple.
    Aldo Proia says in the interview:
    “Franco Battaglia, professore presso l’Università di Modena, che ne è un noto esempio (…di scettico), ha posto numerose domande tecniche, incuriosito dalla precedente presentazione sommaria dell’invenzione, e non ha avuto nulla da eccepire su quanto è stato detto da Rossi e dai suoi collaboratori.”
    (i.e. Franco Battaglia was not – critical about Rossi).

    In fact, Franco Battaglia came back from Pordenone and………
    “In the current state of what is known, Focardi & Rossi with entrepreneurs who support them, appear to be like magicians who show rabbits coming out from magic cylinders, under the pretense of wanting to sell those cylinders to rabbit farmers.
    Franco Battaglia, October 21, 2012”

    • David

      Franco Battaglia is famous in Italy for many stupid statements like: “Chernobyl has caused zero deaths”. So who does care about him?

      • Peter_Roe

        Makes you wonder what goes on in the heads of people like that. It’s obviously not thought.

  • (Previous thread topic, tried to post there but was automoderated)
    Concerning catalysts, one possible source of inspiration might be materials used as welding fluxes. These include e.g. potash (k.e. K2CO3 et al.), borax, carbon and lead sulfide. See the w-pedia page for Flux metallurgy for details (I think giving its url would trigger moderation).

    • Ged

      Very interesting idea. If only we had our own reactors to play with.

  • georgehants

    Discover Magazine. Science, Technology and The Future
    Environment / Subatomic Particles
    by Mark Anderson
    From the November 2012 issue; published online October 23, 2012
    Big Idea Bring Back the “Cold Fusion” Dream
    A new theory may explain the notorious cold fusion experiment from two decades ago, reigniting hopes of a clean-energy breakthrough.
    Read at —–

      • Ged

        W-L theory… I really don’t think that even remotely matches observations (considering low energy gamma rays are a common feature of LENR), but we’ll have to see. Definitely my least favorite LENR theory based on the data (and from their attempts to call fusion of a nuclear particle “transmutation” to avoid the fusion name), but we go where the data takes us, so let’s find out once people start doing experiments based on it.

        • It’s my least favoured “theory” too. It has many fatal problems, one of which is the following. While it is correct that the inelastic neutron-nucleus cross sections are typically large when the energy is low, the elastic cross sections are even larger. Thus, an ultracold neutron within room temperature metal nearly always first reacts elastically with a nucleus and is thereby rapidly thermalised towards the lattice temperature, after which it behaves as a thermal neutron.

          If an ultracold neutron would so eagerly react inelastically with nearby nuclei as WLT claim, such neutrons would be observed to disappear when put into matter. But we know from observations that that doesn’t happen even if the matter is cryogenic let alone at room temperature or higher. Because if it would happen when the matter is cryogenic, the production of ultracold neutrons would be impossible, because such neutrons are made by letting normal room temperature neutrons react with cryogenic material.

          • Ged

            Absolutely true. The whole way that neutron radiation damages tissue is through those elastic collisions and the ionization that occurs from bouncing off a proton and imparting kinetic energy to it. It’s all similar to the classical Newtonian balls smacking into each other sort of physics, from what I understand.

            If WLT was right, then one would expect neutron radiation wouldn’t even be dangerous in the same sense as it actually is, since it would work via a completely different pathway.

            Additionally, we use neutrons to image matter such as bio-macromolecules. If neutrons did not scatter elastically, and if inelastic pathways were more prevalent like WLT theory supposes, then the highly successful neutron imaging methods used in science would not even be possible.

            Thanks for your thoughts Pekka; it’s nice having that concise reminder of why WLT is lacking.

    • Peter_Roe

      The whole article reads like one of kribit’s ads for WL. Strange he’s not credited. Summary: Pons and Fleishmann had nothing. Whatever this is it’s not cold fusion – OK?

      • GreenWin

        As pointed out earlier, this is the MO from the USA-related research projects. WL, is meant to capture USPTO approval, so NASA and Kirvit pet projects get US patent protection. But with WL being so full of holes, such patents might not even hold up in international courts.

        The insipid attempt to rewrite history and claim Pons and Fleischmann did nothing – will fail. Too many good people know the truth. Cold fusion was discovered by F&P, supported by a group of renegade scientists, and revived for commerce by Andrea Rossi. There is He4, gamma, heat, funny neutrons, (maybe)below ground H, – it’s FUSION. COLD FUSION. Live with it skeps.

        • joe j

          wow, a 4 year payoff period for a bit of steam pipe and some secret herbs and spices. This is all still inline with what i expect from this entire affair.

          Go free energy.

          • georgehants

            As with Cold Fusion the Placebo has been denied and hidden by most of science for many years.
            Now they are trying to say O, we have always used it in medicine.
            Untrue it has been almost completely ignored except by honest Doctors etc. who are well aware of it’s immense power.
            Time I think, for a complete investigation into the competence of science to administrate science.
            From Clinical Science
            Genetic marker for placebo response identified
            Although placebos have played a critical role in medicine and clinical research for more than 70 years, it has been a mystery why these inactive treatments help to alleviate symptoms in some patients – and not others.
            Now researchers have for the first time identified genetic differences between placebo responders and non-responders, providing an important new clue to what has come to be known as ‘the placebo effect’.

          • Karl

            Agree, it seems likely that there is an urgent need to lift science further to be worthy its name and image to prevent its actors to desperately hold on to the convenience of last/past generations assumption and definitions or for whatever reason.

    • Pedro

      We all get a bit excited about MSM publishing these LENR articles, but what if it is an immunisation campagne? A kind of vacination? Millions of people now get a bit of the story, but in such a way that they get a very low key picture of LENR as being very speculative and even farther away than hot fusion. This way the chance that they get over enthusastic when they come across the LENR story is minimised. could that be the purpose of these articles?

      • freethinker

        I think it is not completely unlikely, infact rather possible. Spin Doctor 101 standard procedure.
        As LENR moves ahead and AR, Defk and others get devices ready for mass market, there will most likely be a ramp up in efforts trying to discredit the tech. They have tried the dumb fool route, the scam route, and possibly, they try to control the emergence of Lenr to a wider mass, by, like you say, give a low key picture.

      • Jim

        I had that same thought. Add the troll bait factor and one gets the effect you describe.

      • Peter_Roe

        That does seem likely. In fact it follows rather well Arther C. Clarkes ‘steps to acceptance’ of a novel phenomenon or technology by the establishment:
        (1) “It’s completely impossible — don’t waste my time”;
        (2) “It’s possible, but it’s not worth doing”;
        (3) “I said it was a good idea all along.”

        I would add an additional possible step in the case of cold fusion:
        (2a) “It’s real, but its dangerous” i.e., ‘You children mustn’t play with matches, so we have to take them away from you”.

  • zvibenyosef

    China has now surpassed the United States in its emission of carbon dioxide gas. We need to help them find a clean energy alternative quickly, if only to save ourselves

  • barty

    Isn’t it worth enough to bring a new article about the Dennis Bushnell interview which was released on October 20th by american antigravity?

    In this interview Bushnell mentioned that NASA has enough evidence LENR and the excess heat is for real.

  • Kim G. Patterson

    Here is a site with an interesting control diagram
    of Andrea Rossi’s system.


    • GreenWin

      VERY interesting Kim. I especially like Figure 6. a tri-generation plot for a single Rossi Power Cell to provide heat, hot water, cool air/water AND electricity. This represents the home run for RPC applications. A single unit let’s say located in a single family home basement, produces heat, hot water and electricity year around. In summer, turning on the chiller module, the RPC produces cool air for air conditioning. This is the way all energy systems will go, eventually eliminating old grids, thousands of miles of transmission lines, towers, breakers, transformers, switches and sundry unnecessary grid hardware.

      • Kim G. Patterson

        When the catalyst is known, one should be able
        to construct a crude heating device easily

        I would not use the hydrogen hydride, I would
        go back to the canister Hydrogen for home use.


        • Fibber McGourlick

          Then you’ll both be busted for operating an illegal still.

    • Robert Mockan

      That is an impressive summary of the control system. Here in the USA we tend to underestimate what is available outside the country on web sites, and few Americans are multilingual as are citizens in Europe. So unless a site is translated to English and a search engine spider indexes it, it never gets seen in the US. When I saw the link you posted I tried to find some key words or phrases that would pull up that link using Google or Dogpile search engines. Got nothing.

      So thank you posting the web site link. (LOL! Even when I bookmarked it comes up as “untitled”).

      • GreenWin

        I get “untitled” too. They could fix that by labeling the IP address.

      • AstralProjectee

        Contact the admin of the site and tell them.

        • georgehants

          Manuel Cilia
          October 24th, 2012 at 4:08 AM
          Dear Mr Rossi
          You sound excited.
          Andrea Rossi
          October 24th, 2012 at 6:19 AM
          Dear Manuel Cilia:
          I am.
          Warm Regards,

    • daniel maris

      Thanks – I’ve bookmarked that for future reference!

    • Peter_Roe

      It all looks feasible and well thought through, but what is the provenance of this information, and why is the ‘applications’ table in german?

  • Voodoo

    “The first product on the market will be the “Gas Cat”

    I translated this note of Aldo Proia to understandable fact:

    Whole theatre is DELAYED for another 4 months.

    Gas-Cat is probably not certified yet. So: build, tests, certification process, etc. etc.

    Nightmare of some here poster is real: Rossi really love neverending NEW versions of his no-products (which “are already on market”).

    • Max S

      exactly, that’s what it means. No product in the market.
      And still no independent verification.
      But the big university report is expected next week, isn’t it ?

    • HeS

      You are right. On the other hand Rossi cant sell Ecat on “open market” without patents. It looks like it is blocked and has to wait for the results of other scientists.

  • Redford

    Commercial empty talk. True or empty statements holding no facts at all.

  • GreenWin

    Slightly off topic of Proia; but appropriate for followers of NASA. Sterling Allen takes quite a swing at NASA and their role in DGT’s new verification by a NASA employee (though purportedly paid by a separate NGO):

    “If NASA doesn’t get aboard the LENR bandwagon soon, it won’t take long for the alternative science community of the world to make them obsolete and no more needed than a used piece of toilet paper. The longer they wait, the harder it will be for them to stay relevant in this day of division as an awakened population forges ahead in this revolutionary metamorphosis to launch an enlightened world. If they don’t transform, and show a changed heart, they will be left behind.” Sterling Allen PESN 10,22,2012

    Personally, I take exception to the TP comment. NASA has completed many great tasks and may continue to do so by supporting LENR/Cold Fusion. But I agree, they need a change of heart, and a lot more courage.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      GreenWin: “Personally, I take exception to the TP comment. NASA has completed many great tasks and may continue to do so by supporting LENR/Cold Fusion.”
      Last year, NASA Administrator Charles Bolden told Al Jazeera television that President Obama gave him three primary tasks: encourage children to learn about math and science, improve relations with foreign nations and “perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering.”

  • stuey81

    9 cents a kilowatt, HA! i just recieved my quaterly electricity bill for my 4 bedroom house here in australia, it was a shocking $1990.85c AUD, they charge us here down under a whopping 31.85 cents per kilowatt! (remember this is aussie dollars, worth over 1.02cents american) they reckon my usage is 65kw/h on average per day. Also have you guys heard of our carbon tax? $9 per $100 of usage, and oh yeah, they have a thing here called GST, thats a further 10% ontop of all that, for gods sake, hurry this tech up so we aussies can tell our prime minister to go jump! even if you go solar in this country there is no law to say that any excess pumped back into the grid must be credited against your account, the best deal going at the moment thru avaialbe service providers is 6 – 7 cents per kilowatt that you generate, so say im not home and i provide the grid with 10 kilowatt of power, i get mabey 70 cents (if im lucky) credited to my account, then when i get home i have to buy thier power at over 31 cents a kilowatt, ROSSI ARE YOU LISTEING? aussies need your tech yesterday!!!

    • stuey81

      you yanks have it sooooo good, cheap power, and cheap fuel, ive heard that you guys winge about $4 a gallon for gasoline, try closer to $7 a gallon here in Australia, I reckon that there would be protests in the streets in the U.S if when you guys woke up tommorow and your gasoline was $7 a gallon, and your electricity was 31+ cents per kilowatt, am i correct? – U.s, you have it good – trust me!

      • Jim

        If you count:

        > the current direct cost of defending oil infrastructure in middle east
        > the current direct cost of failing highway infrastructure
        > the future cost of compensating for global warming
        > the opportunity cost of old transportation modes

        maybe not so cheap.

        But hey, yeah, cheap at the credit card bill!

        • stuey81

          hey jim, us aussies dont get our oil from the middle east, this crap about every time there is a hiccup in the middle east thats why our petrol goes up is a farse

          we source our oil from asia here.

          • Omega Z


            Every Country has it’s burdens. Australians apparently carry a high tax burden on Energy. In the U.S. those taxes are elsewhere. Just applied in a different manner. One thing We definitely have in Common. Our Politicians don’t always look out for the best interests of their citizens.

            I would add that One Burden the U.S. takes upon itself is subsidizing the World & most aren’t aware of in many ways.

            The Big one is our Military expense. It saves Australia the expense of a large military. Along with Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, S. Korea, In fact most of the World. Most have a Military just big Enough for a short term defense.

            That’s all that’s needed. I have great respect for your Countrymen, but Should a Nation such as China tread your way, the Outcome would not be good. But Your Leaders know that wont happen. The U.S. will intervene on Australia’s behalf. An Official Request would be a formality. We’ll have already Engaged.

            A little known or mentioned fact. Tho Many Countries don’t like some of the U.S. politicians metaling in their affairs,(And I Agree) the thought of the U.S. not being around frightens them. This apples to both Friend & Foe.

            The U.S. is the 800# Gorilla in the room that keeps most of the Mischief makers at bay. The Pacific fleet build up is Specifically to keep China from Expanding Military Control to it’s neighbors. Expansion that would likely Include Australia & it’s Coal reserves eventually.

            Note: Most Wars are fought for the FEW. Food, Energy, Water. LENR could go a long way in alleviating these Resource problems.

          • captain

            From Rossi’s JONP

            October 23rd, 2012 at 2:28 AM
            Dear Andrea Rossi
            How much customers you think you will have in 2013?

            Andrea Rossi
            October 23rd, 2012 at 9:11 PM
            Dear Avi:
            Leonardo Corp. will not be the same from the next week. I am in the USA, where an inportant event has been born from the last tests.
            Warm Regards,

          • Haldor

            And that with the knowledge that Siemens recently announced to quit with their solar panel activity.

          • daniel maris

            Well – the news keeps coming, which is what i would expect if this is a genuine energy revolution. I think we can be “rationally optimistic” in the circumstances.

          • Martin

            How many customers? Well, concerning the 1MW industrial plant the counter will probably remain on 1(identity confidential).

    • admin

      Thanks for sharing this, stuey — certainly have opened up my eyes regarding what Australians have to pay for electricity, I had assumed that a coal-rich country would have relatively cheap electricity. Certainly demonstrates the huge need for a tech like the E-Cat.

      • stuey81

        Not only are we coal rich, we also have a large percentage of the worlds gas supplies (we call it gas here not propane btw). There is a saying here atm, “whether to Heat, or eat” its really getting to the point where people cant afford to run a simple heater during winter time! i feel sorry for the old age pensioners and war widows.

        • hempenearth

          In Victoria we recently had an increase but that is to 27 cents/kWh (from 25.03 c/kWh).
          The energy companies have rigged the market rules so that the more they spend on infrastructure the more they can charge consumers and the more profit they make. So we are getting “gold plated” infrastructure that is not really needed. I’d be happy to pay the extra if they were actually putting the poles and wires underground to prevent bushfires but mostly they are not! It is good to see one company being sued because one of their inadequately maintained poles was the cause of one of the Black Saturday bushfires.

        • Ivan_cev

          Yes, and around as we have quasimonopolies, and the law favor the big capital. so we ultra capitalist.

      • phlatbeer

        Call me a pessimistic Aussie, but tell me, what on earth makes everyone seem to think LENR is going to be our financial saviour, the panacea to our energy costs, betcha a crossover LENR – Green (Carbon tax) is all ready in place just not enacted. It’s about another 18 months until the carbon tax goes feral (trades on world Ex’s)with banksters finger prints all over it can you honestly see the CT rescinded? Let alone what it is claimed the tax was to be used for, such as Discovering new green technologies to ween Australia off coal,LPG,NG, etc. Nope Status Quo LENR or not.

        • Peter_Roe

          Yep. But just think about how good you will feel, knowing that your power bill is going towards helping to save the planet.

          • phlatbeer


    • Robert Mockan

      Has a cost study ever been done as to why the fuels are so expensive? Sounds like you need to nationalize your energy industry, but not under state control. Instead place it under control of a citizens committee that serves the public interest. Socialism? No, citizens vote on the price consistent with responsible use of the resource, but managerial functions are allocated through the committee members (who can be voted out if they also become corrupt).

      • stuey81

        Robert, our power provider claims that of that 31.85 cents per kilowatt, around 22 of those cents are for the infrastructure and are unavoidable. i fail to see how this isnt a straight out lie and that they are indeed profiteering. Considering our power lines and poles are state owned. BTW the 31.85cents per kw/h is the price without factoring in GST which is 10% and our new Carbon tax ($9 per $100 dollars of usage) your thoughts?

        • Robert Mockan

          I bet if the “unavoidable” costs were itemized, with a breakdown of where every dollar was going, there would be many ways to reduce them. My thoughts about the carbon tax are the same as my thoughts about all taxes. Someday people will laugh at all the ways coercion by government was rationalized as necessary, and always called something else.

          • stuey81

            i agree, its all wealth re-distrubtion, also that volcano in chille that postponed all thoses international flights a little while back spewed out more carbon into the atmosphere in two weeks than mankind has made scince the industrial revolution! so i guess our government can just wright them a massive carbon tax bill and let our country off the hook then, considering we only attribute less than 2.5% of the worlds carbon emmisions annualy! lol

          • Omega Z


            Broken down in detail, you’ll probably find most of the costs is taxes or fees of some type for Government programs. If people new the details they could then decide to pay them or discontinue the fee. All depends on where the money actually goes & what people are willing to pay for.

            There’s a saying: A Rose by any other name is Still a Rose.

            Politicians have their Own Saying: A Tax by any other name is Not a Tax.

            Example: A $40 dollar depletion fee per barrel. That’s a $1 increase per Gallon. Depletion Fee is Not a Tax?

            Off the Coast of the U.S. dismantling an Oil Platform. $50 Million Decommissioning Fee is Not a Tax?

            Just to note that 90% of all Oil resources are owned by Governments. 100% is controlled buy Regulations. They decide Who, What, When, Where & How much these Resources will cost. Business can move on to other products & will if properly managed.

            This is why I say Governments have the Most to lose from LENR. They are slower to respond & usually requires different Taxing Schemes. The People naturally resist all taxes.

            This Requires the Governments to hire people to come up with trendy names for fees to hide that tax from the Public. Anything that doesn’t Sound like Tax.

          • Omega Z


            Hidden Tax.

            In the U.S. Everyone pays about 15% of their earnings in Social Security, Disability, Medicare/Medicaid & Don’t even Realize it.

            About half is taken out when you receive your pay check. The Rest is paid by the Employer. This is added to the price of the product. Everytime we buy something, we are paying the Other Half. Most totally unaware. That’s the kind of Taxes the Government likes. Nobody pointing a finger at them.

          • Barry

            Omega, being self-employed I pay both halfs and insurance is through the roof. I thought if I go bust I could always move to Australia. Any of you Aussies know where there’s a rental?

          • Omega Z


            Been there, Done That.

            Also Minimum tax even in a bad year.

          • lukedc

            The salaries at Energy Australia are utterly amazing. I’m a graduate engineer (CS) and earn 100k a year. I had a mate that is a sparky and sold his business because he had the chance to get a job as a linesman. He now gets 175k inc overtime and laughs at me. Left in Yr 10 and did his trade as an electrician. I think they really need to look at the whole thing, it stinks.

          • georgehants

            Andrea Rossi
            October 23rd, 2012 at 9:11 PM
            Dear Avi:
            Leonardo Corp. will not be the same from the next week. I am in the USA, where an inportant event has been born from the last tests.
            Warm Regards,

          • Filip48

            ‘same foRm’
            ‘last tests’ is the change related to the structure of the company(new investors) or the technology? Not clear.

          • Pedro

            He is talking about Leonardo company, so I would expect it to be a change in the business structure and not a technology change. He also explicitely mentions the US, so I guess some strong partnership with a large US company would be most likely

        • phlatbeer

          I believe infrastructure/maintenance/replacement costs of state owned assets are all jumbled up, if it looks old, replace it with latest tech gear, if its broken, replace it with latest tech gear, don’t worry about consumer end costs. Sell all power generating facilities; competition between owners will demand up to date/future technology all at a time when fiscally, energy providers would be better off looking to consolidation of assets, particularly, with the true outcome of LENR becomming more clearer and present poor global financial situation. Utilities Water, Power,Sanitary (are public owned – should be)are necessary not like a TV or car or microwave etc. producers of theses toys don’t go flat out on expansion programs if financial world wide woes exist and charge more for their product, but if you own a public utility! There is probably no real right/wrong time for asset accumulation, but I believe there is for upping fees and charges and now is surely not the right time. All-in-all, I think the global financial mess will not see LENR or any other similar revolution reduce overall global power/energy costs.

        • georgehants

          Andrea Rossi
          October 24th, 2012 at 6:22 AM
          Dear Stefano:
          We already have set up our program to share the benefits of this technology with children who need more healthcare. We cannot give away the IP, though, for obvious reasons. Anyway a non military plant is on his way, as I said.
          Warm Regards,

  • Marc Irvin

    Not very impressive. I live in Connecticut, in the USA, and pay .0745 per kWh. Generally compared to the rest of the world our gas is cheap too.

    • stuey81

      Marc, well at 31.85 cents per kilowatt here in Australia, im more than impressed. Mabey the e-cat has no market in Conneticut, but its a modern day miricle for Australia (this is the price without GST, and Carbon tax factored in BTW)

      • lukedc

        Yep minimum $600 a quarter here in Australia. Simple three person family that uses little to no heating in winter and a handful of days running the air con in summer. Lol @ Marc, it will come to the states don’t worry about that!

      • Peter_Roe

        Just for comparison, the price of power here (UK) is 18.519 pence per kWh – 30.3 cents AUD or 24 cents US, so we are being ripped off almost as much as aussies are. I suspect the same is probably true for most of Europe.

        Camoron is currently trying to get a ‘green tax’ subsidy for nuclear energy bolted on which would add enormously to this figure (up to 9 pence/unit has been suggested, i.e., a 50% increase).

      • phlatbeer

        You are aware of course, that for a person to utilise their own power supply 24/7, they must, in most Australian states (probably all), meet certain conditions before using “portable power supplies”, such as not having their residence, or else-wise living within Coo-ee of a SWER or other “State” power supply grid. Unless the law is changed, I see little effect on current electrical supply costs in the immediate post LENR release as a new, marketable, personal, electrical power generating device.

  • Voodoo

    Rossi/Leonardo will simply announce some partnership or Joint-Venture or selling 49% of company. As result of this and another 4 months delay, Rossi’s distributors will be crushing, victimized or throw over board.

    Folks who told 100 lies know even more tricks.

    • captain

      People like U are simply polluting thig blog with that …thing 🙁

      • Voodoo

        Well, how many lies told Mr. Rossi ?

        • Andrew Macleod

          How many lies are we told everyday by our leaders?

    • Andrew Macleod

      You are obviously not following or listening. Rossi is trying to build to company from ground up without the help of Capitol investors because he is afraid of loosing control. If your so convinced of fraud find ONE person or company that he has frauded.

  • John

    I don’t understand. Wasn’t it supposed to be some device that produces energy with an (unknown) nuclear reaction? Suddenly it’s an ordenary natural gas boiler?

    • artefact

      It is still the same. The input is just not electricity but gas to heat the reactor up and keep running.
      (some time ago he said on JONP that that is possible)

      • Peter_Roe

        Artefact, I wouldn’t waste your time. This is just a troll feigning ignorance in order to try to introduce uncertainty and doubt. Misinformation 101:

        “Rule 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion.”