New WIPO Nickel-Hydrogen Patent Application Published

An interesting patent application has been published of U.S. based inventor Han S. Nee by the Wordwide Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) for “Nickel Alloys for Hydrogen Storage and the Generation of Energy Therefrom”.

The abstract of the patent describes the process:

The hydrogen-storing nickel alloy structure comprises a nickel alloy skeletal catalyst mixed with an oxide. The applied electric potential, and the increase in the gas pressure and temperature of the hydrogen from the applied heat, create a reaction between hydrogen nuclei and nickel nuclei in the nickel alloy structure whereby thermal energy is generated by the emission of phonons from the nickel alloy structure.

When referring to the alloy, the patent description states, “the nickel alloys include nickel combined with one or more of aluminum, lithium, zinc, molybdenum, manganese, titanium, iron, chromium, and cobalt. The nickel alloys may also include one or more non-metallic elements selected from the group consisting of carbon, silicon, and boron”

The patent describes a process of melting, cooling, and grinding the alloy to a powder of the desired particle size, and mixing it with a powdered oxide and then forming it into a “hydrogen storing nickel alloy structure.”

A lot of the description in this patent is familiar to those who have been following the new wave of hydrogen/nickel-based LENR processes, and it seems like common threads can be found in many of the processes being used.

The inventor is someone I have never heard of before; Han H. Nee is listed here as the president of Target Technology Company LLC, of Irvine California, which is categorized as a magnetic/optical recording media manufacturer.

  • Giuliano Bettini

    I think I saw a pussy ecat. 🙂

    • Chris

      Hmmmmm, sounds like you’ve seen it only dubbed into Italian.

      “I tawt I taw a putte-tat!”

  • Pweet

    WOW. 46 claims covering so much.
    I didn’t see any COP mentioned.
    The method of operation of the device does not seem any different the the Celani wire experiments so I don’t know how they would be expecting to get a patent on it.
    They do give a more detailed description of the composition of the reactor components so maybe some of those claims could be granted.
    It’s hard to know from this if they have anything working already or if they are applying for the patents in case they get something to work.
    It certainly covers a range of elements.
    The application would have cost more than a dollar to lodge so they must think they’re onto something worthwhile.
    Here’s hoping.

  • Chris the 2nd

    At the moment this screams patent Troll

    He’s basically said “I can use any of these metals, in any configuration however I want and i own the process no matter how you vary on it”

    Basically. he’s read all the rumours and thrown every possible combination at his patent.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to find this guy has never actually made the nickel powder he describes.

    • Blanco69

      I agree Chris. You could put this application together using known theories and speculation. It’s like making dinosaur DNA using the frog stuff and filling in the blanks with some well hedged creative hypotheses. You then set yourself up with some lawyers ready to press your case using the patent app as ammo and wait to see if Rossi delivers humanity’s gift. One thing I’ve found that is different about LENR research is that there’s plenty of publicly available data. I’ve not seen this guy previously in any of it.

    • Chris I

      I’m not sure such a strategy could work, he would have to defeat Rossi’s anteriority by having made his application well enough to fulfill requirements of patentability. If his patent is no better than Rossi’s, then only anteriority discriminates.

      I haven’t examined the whole thing but he talks about “oxides” as opposed to “a catalyst” and this suggested he must have done research, to me. In this case it could be a tight legal battle between them, especially if he has hit on the very same chemicals as Rossi. If he is only a patent troll I think it is useless because Rossi definitely comes first. If his application does not enable those versed and skilled to acheive the result without a lot of trial and error, he has no case and I doubt anyone would waste their resouces on making the application in such a manner.

  • Pedro

    Remember that story about James Martinez being threatened by NASA’s Dennis Bushnell? He mentioned that at the “Breakthrough Energy Movement” meeting on November 11th.

    (see http://pesn.com/2012/11/14/9602219_NASA-Senior-Scientist_Dennis-Bushnell_threatens_James-Martinez/).

    During that same speech he also mentioned that he was involved with a company in California that had the “Rolce Royce” under the LENR devices and would publicise the details in 2013. Is this the company he was talking about?

  • H. R. Gillis

    Perhaps this will lead to extensive third party verifications? I’m thinking the people at Fleishman Memorial Institute should be able to verify the results contained in the published application- – and likely many other groups as well.

    • Peter_Roe

      There don’t seem to be any specific claims about output, but it would be good if someone has the resources to publicly test out the methods described and see what happens.

      • Pweet

        The lack of claimed output capacity and COP is to avoid getting into the situation Mr. Rossi did, and that is to make a claim which could not backed up with proof.
        A claim is not so rigorously tested if it is not so extraordinary.
        If the device produces only milliwatts it would still be consistent with the claim sufficient to be approved. The same claim would then cover devices of any capacity if they were ever produced.
        Whether thay have anything working or not, it appears to be a well thought out and prepaired application.
        I think Mr. Rossi should read it carefully and if his “secret catalyst” is not covered under this application, he should hurry up and patent it because from the look of it, that’s about all he has left.

        • captain

          quoted:
          I think Mr. Rossi should read it carefully and if his “secret catalyst” is not covered under this application, he should hurry up and patent it because from the look of it, that’s about all he has left.

          Hurry up,cause new animals are on the scene: after the snakes, it’s time now for parasites.

          • Pweet

            That’s just the way the system works. It’s well known and since A.R. has long been associated with patents, he would have known it.

            I think I mentioned in an earlier thread something to the effect that the strategy used by A.R. was not at all helpful to him. (not sure if it made it through moderation. 🙂 )
            If you announce to the world that you have some amazing new device and then constantly and publicly talk about it, you can reasonably expect if you don’t bother to patent it in the finest detail, someone else will.
            As I said then, no large company wants to get caught out on the wrong side of someone else’s patent. So if it’s sitting out there unprotected, like a bag of hot chips on the beach, you can hardly be surprised if the seagulls come and pick them up.
            To continue the analogy, you can now consider that particular bag of chips is flying off into the sunset.
            There is just one chip left,.. maybe,.. and that is the “secret catalyst”, and you can take that as the sauce that goes with the chips.
            Happy new year.

          • no large company wants to get caught out on the wrong side of someone else’s patent It anyway happens: Apple, Samsung, Nokia… But otherwise I agree with your post.

        • Peter_Roe

          For once I fully agree with you. I suspect that the Nee Han application may be just a pre-emptive IP grab, but if it is granted it would probably be potentially damaging to Rossi and his partner(s).

          • Pweet

            What? Only “for once’? I’m offended! 😉

  • This is great news! Others are working with the Nickel-Hydrogen energy reaction and will speed-up the development and production of reactors. Hurry up Rossi! And give us a independent third party validation of your E-Cat reactors. We trust you will deliver a working reactor soon. jdh

    • K

      The drawings in the Rossi patent documents also show electric contact (at least no insulation) between the resistance and the nickel powder. So the application of the potential on the powder is not a novelty as such.

      Also, this document does not reveal the theory of cold fusion.

      • Peter_Roe

        Agreed. Although the application goes into detail about preparation of the nickel/oxide ‘slug’ (with many ‘alternative’ branches which should not be necessary), a reference to phonons is hardly a theory of operation and the description and schematic of the ‘apparatus’ are as vague as those in Rossi’s application.

        I also find the diagram (Fig. 2) at the end of the PDF version of the application to be particularly unconvincing as being representative of any actual device. As it appears to rely on the hydrogen (a poor thermal conductor) atmosphere to convey heat to the nickel core, I would judge that it is probably impractical in the form presented, and is no more than a ‘concept’ drawing – probably just an attempt to cover the idea of taking heat from an active core by two different means, neither of which would be patentable.

        http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000019416232.pdf

        The more I look at the application the more I am convinced that Chris the 2nd is right – this is just a piece of pre-emptive patent trolling.

      • Peter_Roe

        K – replied, but in moderation.

    • Owen

      My thought exactly. The more people working on this the better. The more published details the better for average people. More news, more buzz. It seems unstoppable at this point.

      • captain

        I agree, and the sooner, the better.

        Absolutely unstoppable now: the point is if, i.e., Obama will IGNORE it, publicly, when talking of CLEAN AIR situation, and this referring mainly to the states.

        I’ve mentioned Obama, but for CALIFORNIA state it’s the same: don’t imitate the oysters on the sand.

      • Chris

        Now this is interesting. It sounds as if they put research effort into the information circulating and perhaps came up with something at least as good as Rossi’s. Let’s just sit back and watch how they compete against each other.

        Popcorn, coke, lemonade… enjoy the show folks…

        • Roger Bird

          Popcorn…can’t eat that, too many carbs; it’ll aggravate my borderline diabetes. Coke…you can’t be serious. Lemonade, maybe, if you make it with stevia. (:->)

          • modernsteam

            …. IF … you can GET stevia where I live …

  • Maintaining a 1 V potential difference across the nickel alloy/oxide powder mix sounds surprising. The conductivity of the powder probably might depend a lot on details and could be very high, close to typical metal values. Maybe the driver is actually current density rather than electric field. Then one could minimise electric power consumption by trying to get high conductivity (which it likely is anyway, given that the stuff is 50% metal).

  • Massimo Vitale

    Sorry I translated with Google, do not speak English.
    Let us assume that the machine actually functions Rossi, once known the catalyst is a device very simple to construct by any hydraulic, the only problem would be the fuel cartridge which still would provide the usual Chinese as they do for the printers. That’s why, I think Rossi tries to create an industrial structure that it can saturate the market. I still think that Rossi wrong to have chosen the strategy of creating a financial structure around his invention (members must be paid) would have done better to give free humanity. Maybe it’s too late too many people have to make a profit!

  • Since Rossi has had only $1.5-million in income from his first Hot Cat, he doesn’t have the money to “robotize” a factory producing them. The Bologna photo of a few weeks ago showed that they are still being asssembled by hand, one at a time. He’d need to sell no fewer than 15 machines at full price to even begin to robotize.

    • Peter_Roe

      ‘Robotize’ what? Each 1MW container only needs fifty-odd modules, which are apparently of simple design. A robotic production line would be a very poor investment when such modest numbers are involved.

      Also you seem to be totally ignoring Rossi’s statement that he has sold the ‘hot cat’ IP (and possibly IP relating to the LT e-cat), and therefore it will not be him who has to fund further e-cat development, which now seems to be focused on grid power generators.

    • Garry

      At this point, if he has the kinds of investors speculated about, he would have the deepest pockets imaginable.

      Of course, that’s just speculation. Though I did ask my broker to move a fair amount of my energy and manufacturing investments into Siemens and GE. Hopefully one won’t tank too much when the other takes off!

      • Garry

        Assuming of course it’s one of these two!!

    • I think that the SVT Bologna parts were not recent, but recorded approximately in May or June, because Rossi there was hoping to achieve 600 C.

    • Omega Z

      Joe

      Rossi isn’t robotizing the 1Mw system. They are hand built at this time.

      He has mentioned that some parts of production may be robotized in the future as some portions become a standardized process, but this would involve the partner doing the manufacturing. Just a natural progression of the process.

      Should note that Rossi has moved his operation from Bologna several months ago. To Ferrara. About 30 miles NE of Bologna.

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    • Peter_Roe

      Morning George.

      To be honest, I am very suspicious of this one. No credible explanation of the principle of operation, or even of where the power is supposed to come from, no believable demos – just a multi-million dollar ‘licensing scheme’. I hate to sound like a denizen of ECN — but wake me up when the 3rd party tests have been done.

      • georgehants

        Hi Peter, Agreed, just interesting as they are saying things that can be checked as time goes by.
        Every week somebody win’s the lottery, so we never know, best as always to just take note and not prejudge.
        Evidence and Truth will always win the day when not interfered with by those with some kind of vested interest in distorting everything.

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    December 31st, 2012 at 7:02 AM
    Dear Scott L.:
    As I said and wrote many times, the Container of the 1 MW plant is the same tested one year ago, since to the military Customer we delivered different ones. This one, seen also in the Swedish Television, has been used to make tests, modifications, improvements, certification. It has been a tremendous tool for R&D. Now it is destined to a Customer. It will be delivered on March, after further series of modifications we have in course now. Thanks to it now we can pass to a repetitive manufacturing line. After a glorious first life as a prototype for R&D, it is on his way to go to work in a centralized heating plant to supply heat: this will be his seconf life.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R

    • Pweet

      Well that would explain why it looks the same then.
      I don’t recollect him previously saying that it was the same container, although I guess he doesn’t post every word he says on JONP.
      I do recollect him saying it had been delivered though. A number of times.
      That’s not a good sign.
      Since he now says the one shown in the TV interview IS the same one, the only indication we have that any have been sold and delivered is that “Rossi says”.
      Has anyone seen anything confirmed that even just one more has been produced and/or delivered?
      A Photo of the factory perhaps?
      The company dog guarding the factory maybe?
      Anything?
      I would have to say, I am not impressed.
      Sorry.