An Older Person's Field?

Thanks to everyone so far who has recorded their age in yesterday’s poll. Looking at the tally so far, one thing stands out to me, and that is that a good majority of people coming to this site are not particularly young.

Out of almost 600 poll respondents so far, one per cent are 18 or younger, and only thirteen per cent are 30 or younger.

In a world where we see many of the movers and shakers are making big marks on the world at young ages, we don’t see many spring chickens in the cold fusion research community. Piantelli, Focardi, Levi, are in their 70s and 80s — and we lost Martin Fleischmann last year. The Swedish professors who have expressed interest and support are at quite advanced ages, and Andrea Rossi at 62 (I think), while seemingly fit and well has most of his life behind him. Francesco Celani is 61.

Perhaps it is because the young generation of today were not alive or paying attention in 1989 when cold fusion made its big and short-lived splash. Perhaps they have been too well educated about cold fusion’s impossibility. Or maybe it just takes a bit of maturity to start thinking about the quantum realm and the possibilities it offers for new scientific discovery.

Whatever the reason, it’s a bit of a concern when the leading lights in a new and possibly revolutionary field are at an age where we might soon lose them. I’m sure that something like a big E-Cat announcement of 3rd party confirmation or a working E-Cat product release could change things quickly, and we will need the younger generation at some point to get on board if a LENR revolution is to take hold.

  • Anyway the largest age group is 31-40. People under 30 are underrepresented (and those under 18 very much so), but above that the distribution looks quite uniform.

  • Our video views from our site point to nearly 75% being over 45. We put it down to who owns the internet connection and that the story is nearly a quarter of a century old.

    We hope to bring this to a younger audience also – we have made a character called Delta Pyro… Commander of the New Fire. Expect a blog on him soon and why.

    • clovis

      hi, bob,
      great idea, mine actually, I have for some time been using Dr. Rossi as the hero, or hero character, in the revolution of the new fire,
      after all he is the father of the new fire, and should be the main character, in this on going tale, of the man that saved and changed the world.
      And the new fire revolution.

      • ___

        Saving The World is one thing.
        Claiming to have a device that could potentially do so then sell it to a utility company is two completely different things.

        • clovis

          the lenr factor, is something, that no company can hold on to, with the exception to Dr, rossi’s company.
          it too big, once the ball gets rolling. free energy for all is the end of the story. somewhere in the further.

          • stuey81

            clovis, contradict yourself much? if no company can hold onto the lenr factor, what makes you think rossi`s company can? rossi (i refuse to refer to him like you do as a doctor) has never succesfully ran a company before? as per usuall clovis, lots of hot air from you and nothing to back it up with, ive been asking you for months now to provide some, heck any proof to the claims you make about rossi, in particular the comment you made about rossi having a working device in a power station for view by the public by december 2012 – what happened to that clovis? huh? well?

      • Omega Z

        Actually Clovis

        I think father of the new fire— I don’t know. Seems a little strong.

        I Agree he has been very Important & Instrumental in Re-opening the door, But he is just building on others work before him. We may need to leave it to history to judge him & speak up only if History should try to slight his contribution to it.

        Even Before Pons & Fleischmann, there were others who found AHE. All should receive credit of some form.

        • stuey81

          +1 omega z, well said, are we listening clovis?

    • The character is a fusion between the Celani, Rossi and Defkalion reactors in a kind of overall spark plug form. You’ll see, he has got power sockets on the back of his hands and a Mizuno glow in his belly. His arms and legs are made of pipes…

      You will soon have the pleasure of suggesting materials for him.

      This design started within days of ICCF17

      • clovis

        I gracefully except, I have some great ideas, for this superhero,
        and it will be a great learning tool, but i think Dr. rossi should be a character. i will ask him, how he would like to be portrayed, how, his character, would look, he may not want to be involved, but after all the new fire was his idea,
        so we will see.

        • stuey81

          when are you going to contribute to this saga clovis, shhhhhesh, i think you are rossi, the way you blow smoke up…….

          • clovis

            thanks, who ever you are, for such a great compliment, but i pale in Comparison ,too this great man,
            Dr. Rossi will go down in history as the man that saved us all.

  • artefact

    on JONP:

    Koen Vandewalle
    February 27th, 2013 at 5:36 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    maybe the Hot-Cat is still too concentrated for the use in non-phasechanging heat exchange.That happens, with all new stuff.
    Otherwise -but expensive- could be valve operated pulsating flow per hot-cat. The hole in the center could be the ultimate place to put a valve on. The latest commercial Renault-TCE engine uses the pressure pulse at exhaust valve opening time to increase efficiency on the turbo. Apparently, turbines do like shockwaves. After decades of improvements on Internal Combustion engines, that seems to be a novelty.
    Just an Idea, based on your latest answers.
    Please, feel free to remove if inconvenient.
    Kind Regards,

    Greg Leonard
    March 1st, 2013 at 7:04 AM
    Dear Koen Vandewalle and AR
    It is sounding a bit like a ram-jet, except there would be no combustion.
    The engine would be slightly conical in shape, with the air entering at the sharp end. The air would expand and increase in both pressure and speed from the hot-cat heating. At the blunt end there would thrust from the increased pressure at exit (on a larger area) plus some displacement thrust from the faster moving exhaust mass. If the heating of the air needed more time to absorb the hot-cat heat, then something more like a pulse jet would perhaps do the job.
    Greg Leonard

    Andrea Rossi
    March 1st, 2013 at 8:37 AM
    Dear Greg Leonard:
    I will think about this. It is, basically, a jet.
    Warm Regards,

    • Chris the 2nd

      What is the context of this conversation please?

      • artefact

        Hi, I have all posts about that topic in my post.
        But I think Koen Vandewalle is refering to the efficiency Rossi reaches with the carnot cycle of 30-35% and he makes a sugesstion to have a better efficiency.

        • Omega Z


          Thanks for adding this. Sounds Logical as I couldn’t find anything else to reference it to.

  • barty

    I’m 24 🙂

  • Sophie P

    I am 23 at the end of this month. 🙂 I’m also interested in nuclear disarmament and find a similar thing in that, with me being the youngest in my local campaign group by quite a bit.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Rossi: “In future it can go, at present we stay well focused on what we can do: thermal and eventually electric power.” Maybe he is having trouble with producing electric power?

    • yamal

      if he can make thermal energy he can make electricity. it’s as simple as that and rossi should concentrate on the former rather than trying to build entire electrical power plants. there are lots of other companies knowing a lot better how to do that.

      • Andre Blum

        Something else stands out much more to me: 777 voters in two days. That is more than I expected.

    • yamal

      i’m astonished about the discussion on jonp about jets. have they never heard about nepa?

      • Ǹepa? Nuclear electric propulsion aircraft?

        • yamal

          actually it stood for nuclear energy for the propulsion of aircraft. the whole idea was completely ludicrous of course – but they got pretty far.

          • Thanks. Yes, I think the heavy shielding and safety issues in general were the showstopper. Otherwise it would have worked: if one has a hot enough heat source with high enough power density, one can build a jet engine.

      • yamal

        there is a recent post from mr. rossi i can’t believe. actually i can’t believe most of them any more but this one stands out. when asked by s. karels whether the e-cat really runs either full output or off, rossi answers: correct. that is plainly impossible. it implies that during his demonstrations the reaction kicked in with a cop of 6 exactly when the boiling point was reached and stayed exactly there. it would also imply that rossi can predetermine the output to a precision of a few tenth of a percent and set the water pump to exactly the rate his e-cats can vaporize. if there is no way for him to somehow control the output through feedback from a sensor within the e-cat, such a machine would be impossible to build even if the power would not come from a nuclear reaction but only from a very reliable and sufficiently powerful, electric heater. when there is no power control and the pump just brings water in at a fixed rate, the only explanation for his temperature measurements is that the power is a little more than what is required to bring water at the pump rate to the boiling point and vaporize some of it. in that case it doesn’t really matter how much is vaporized and there is a rather broad window of matching power/temperature ratios in the area around and slightly above the boiling point, especially when you consider that any generation of steam has to lead to an increase in pressure within the reactor and consequently to a higher boiling point, which would then be the real feedback loop keeping the temperature more or less constant. unfortunately that would also mean there is no nuclear reaction.

        • rolando

          I rather wait for the third party report…but for now more beers please!

          • Al S

            Maybe depends on Mr. Rossi’s meaning of “runs.” Like old Bubba saying “depends on what your meaning of “is” is.
            For him, perhaps running up to full output is a prelude to running full output, and the other end of it is “off”!

        • captain kirk

          Andrea Rossi
          March 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 AM

          Dear Steven N. Karels:
          In any case we can modulate a 1 MW plant with quantum steps of 10 kW .

          I’m 67 and have been following The nickel hydrogen anomoly since blacklight power stated Rowan university had independently confirmed excess energy in his fuel cell ….(rowan university did additional tests over a two year period and got from 1.6 to 6x times energy output vs input) one remark I remenber was that the reaction really took off when the temperature reached 60 degrees celcius…. the exact temp that Rossi’s E-cat goes balistic

    • GreenWin

      Frank, would you check the spam folder for a couple of my posts? The last one here has some rather exciting confirmations coming from University Missouri, SKINR re neutron charged particle bursts in Pd/D2.

      • GreenWin

        Tried to post results and links to the SKINR LENR confirmation and it will not appear on this blog for whatever reason. Suffice it to say, there is significant new data from eight scientists at University Missouri. You will find a link by searching on the title:

        Diamond-based charged particle and neutron sensor for LENR experiments
        Eric Lukosi1, Mark Prelas2, Joongmoo Shim2, Haruetai Kasiwattanawut2, Charles Weaver2, Cherian Joseph Mathai2, Shubhra Gangopadhyay2
        SKINR, University of Missouri, U.S.A, [email protected]
        SKINR, University of Missouri, U.S.A

  • NJT

    For those under 18 it is understandable where there thoughts and desires lie. Those seriously in college to learn and prosper should begin to focus on all the new scientific challenges before them. Those out of college must now make a living on what they have learned. The “Steve Jobs” of that group (the real thinkers and doer’s) will then prevail – hopefully!

  • Gerrit

    From Rossi’s blog

    Andrea Rossi
    March 2nd, 2013 at 8:21 AM
    Dear Wladimir Guglinski:
    I forwarded your comment to Santa Claus for fast delivery.
    Warm Regards,

    does this mean Santa Claus is real ?

    • stuey81

      Gerrit, can you prove he is not?

  • Nicholas Payne

    old enough to have been able to have done something with Fleishaman and Pons discovery.