Rossi Reports Tests Concluded, Results Positive [Updated]

This comment just in from Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics.

DEAR GEORGEHANTS:
YOUR COMMENT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OPENS THE GATE FOR THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:
THE TESTS OF THE THIRD INDIPENDENT PARTY HAVE BEEN COMPLETED YESTERDAY.
I DID NOT ATTEND, THEREFORE I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY THE RESULTS, THAT WILL SURELY BE PUBLISHED BY THE EXAMINATORS, PROBABLY AROUND THE HALF OF APRIL. I MET THE 11 PROFESSORS AND EXPERTS THAT MADE THE TESTS AND THEY WERE VERY POSITIVE. ONE OF THEM TOLD ME ” WE GOT EVIDENCE THAT THE ‘ EFFECT’ IS REAL BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT”. I COULD NOT GET MORE INFORMATION, BECAUSE THEY NOW HAVE TO ELABORATE THE DATA TO PREPARE THE PUBLICATION. ALL THE PROFESSORS SAID THE TEST IS GONE WELL, VERY WELL. THE LAST TEST ENDED AFTER 120 HOURS OF UNINTERRUPTED OPERATION OF THE REACTORS ( THE NEW GENERATION OF HOT CATS IS MADE BY A TWO STAGE SYSTEM, MADE WITH AN ACTIVATOR WITH RESISTANCES COUPLED WITH A KIND OF CHARGE, WHICH ACTIVATES THE E-CAT WITH A DIFFERENT CHARGE). THE EFFECT IS STUNNING, WE SAW IN OUR PRIVATE TESTS, AND HAS BEEN REPLICATED BY THE THIRD INDIPENDENT PARTY.
NOW WE PASS TO THE INDUSTRIAL ENGAGEMENTS: WE HAVE TO DELIVER OUR PLANTS BY THE END OF APRIL.
WARM REGARDS,
ANDREA ROSSI

This sets up a new level of anticipation for sure. We of course have only Rossi’s word for this, but it would not make sense for him to make such a comment if the results turn out to be negative. This is the first time he has mentioned a new kind of two-stage hot cat reactor which apparently feeds upon itself somehow (not clear in this description). In a separate comment on the JONP, he says that this is a 1 kW reactor — not sure if that is a typo, since previously he has been discussing 10 kW. Rossi mentions that three reactors were provided to the testers.

Now we must wait. Hopefully his estimate of an April publication will be accurate. A positive report should be a tremendous boost to the cause of the E-Cat, and to the field of cold fusion in general. It will be interesting to see if a scientific report will capture the attention of a world that could undoubtably benefit from a new and improved source of energy.

UPDATE: Rossi reports that one of the testers told him: “What we have seen is too important, must absolutely be published”. Also, in reference to the new design of the hot cat, he states: “Basically, we have no more a reactor or a cluster of reactors, but each reactor is coupled with an activator: let’s make this model: the activator is the Mouse, which makes the Cat run. The Mouse has his own COP which is more than 1, the Cat is a surprise.”

  • Jon Baggs

    Fantastic!

    • Miles

      +1. This is better than Fantastic. I’m actually aroused.

  • artefact

    Thanks George 🙂

    Two weeks and some days.. I can’t wait.
    The world will finaly know I guess.

  • stuey81

    awesome, bring on the reports baby! cant wait, in fact this moment almost feels surreal.

  • b4FreeEnergy

    Front page news all over the world soon now I hope!
    May the force be with you mister Rossi!

    • sempervivum

      Somehow I don’t think this is going to happen. The media in Australia will not touch Cold Fusion with a forty foot barge pole. Just a few days ago my State Queensland minister was talking about the multi million dollar benefits of oil from shale fields currently under construction, as a saviour for our States post GFC impoverished financial position. Also, we have just agreed ,after about a thirty year moratorium, to allow shipment of Uranium to international customers. The insane world oil and energy oligarchs will, no doubt, have some plans in place on how to limit the damage to their commercial interests. I would not like to speculate on what those strategies may be.

      • Hampus

        Countries with oil interest won’t like this one bit, but countries like Germany or Sweden that has alot of money but are being screwed by oil countries will LOVE THIS!

        • Your eastern neighbour will like and western not so much… and vice versa for us(!)

      • Lukedc

        I can see how you would have that view living in Queensland but I think Victoria will jump on board. If it does all pan out then nothing will stop the slow march of retrofitted power stations and the proliferation of localised energy generation.

        • mark

          Ah the massive coal seam gas project in Queensland !!billion of $$$ has already been invested

          • Miles

            Is this another Gillard blunder? Billions more to be wasted – nothing surprises me.

    • Peter Roe

      Not a chance. The publication of the tests will almost certainly be mostly ignored in the MSM, although articles in Wired and Oil Price may force some science rags and maybe some science columnists to run ‘what if’ stories. I doubt their enthusiasm will be boundless though.

      A public splash seems more likely when the hotcat prototype is first run in public or a media event is staged, but even that is not guaranteed given the degree of control of the media (look at how Fukushima has been ‘managed’ worldwide, as a prime example of what is possible when you are pulling all the strings).

      IMO the advent of cold fusion will be introduced in as low key a manner as can be contrived, as a ‘possible’ answer to our energy needs, with many references to ‘development’ and ‘hopes for the future’ to try to give the impression that it is too soon to get excited. If further delays are needed to allow TPB make preparations, then the ‘danger’ card will probably be played for all it’s worth.

      • GreenWin

        A reasoned scenario Peter. I think however that the forces of “light” if you will, have a media event in mind. Something splashy and media-addictive that will demand the lenses and “scribes” rise from their somnambulism. It should be a great ride.

        • Peter Roe

          That would be my idea of all my Christmases (sp?) rolled up into one. Let’s hope that is how it pans out. But I’m still rather fearful of damaging intervention by some group or groups who stand to lose heavily.

  • Chris the 2nd

    He looks a little excited there. Still waiting and seeing though.

    I won’t understand whatever paper they release, but if true the results are so positive it’s a feather in the cap, one step closer to industrialisation.

    • Mark Saker

      Cannot wait – it will be nice to finally prove everybody wrong, those which sit on their high horse and shout ‘rubbish’! It’s our turn to look smug! 🙂

  • Piero

    Finally. I admit it was becoming boring. Now the excitement should pick up again

    • kasom

      +1

    • Hampus

      Finally we have a concrete date when this will all be official. Surely media can’t ignore this.

      • GreenWin

        Orders require media ignore whatever is ordered to ignore.

        • Garry

          +1

  • stuey81

    Rossi, can we have your guarantee that all testing for validation is now over? I can picture these guys wanting to “re-do” the tests again before publishing, but hope they dont.

  • Lukedc

    Goodbye oil cartels, nice knowing you!

    • Miles

      +1. Sick of being ripped off. Just wait till our government start putting up taxes to offset the fall in oil demand. You can’t win.

  • Matt

    Just a reminder:
    “The report will be published on a very high level scientific magazine. The peer reviewing of the magazine is in course.”

    Besides, I am not quite sure if Rossi knows what “peer reviewing” exactly means.

    • I understood it so that the first test sequence ended in mid December 2013, then they wrote and submitted the paper and received the referee comments in January. The referees requested a new test round which began at the end of January and ended now. I am not totally sure if this is the right interpretation, but it’s consistent with what he has said, and also consistent with his estimate that the paper might come out as soon as mid April (because it only needs some editing to insert the final results and a final OK from the referees).

      • Matt

        This is completely new to me and has never been explained this way by Rossi. He has never said something about several and different teams of “professors and experts”. And it would be highly unusual that peer reviewers do actual testing themselves. But anyway, we will know in about 3 weeks. My bet is, it’s gonna be diappointing as usual.

        • artefact

          http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/more-on-the-testing-rossi-is-very-worried/comment-page-1/

          “The Party is composed by professors of 4 international Universities, and their work is very complex. It does not depend on me, and, as I said, I do not know where it will be published and who are the peer reviewers. It is a very serious thing.”

          • R101

            Oh Wow, this is very exciting news! I think Andrea is excited too, or maybe because this is very important that he’s back to using caps lock.

            I for one, can not wait to read the published report!

            Cheers to cheap energy folks!

          • Peter Roe

            “THE NEW GENERATION OF HOT CATS IS MADE BY A TWO STAGE SYSTEM, MADE WITH AN ACTIVATOR WITH RESISTANCES COUPLED WITH A KIND OF CHARGE, WHICH ACTIVATES THE E-CAT WITH A DIFFERENT CHARGE”

            Speculation mode – /ON

            Very mysterious. ‘Activator with resistances’ is presumably the ceramic heater we saw in the hot cat demo. Rossi made several references to ‘the charge’ then, although it was far from clear where this could have been located. I think the guess that several people made at the time – that the inner tube or ‘core’ was the ‘hot cat’ reactor – is still good, although the reaction surface may now have been moved to the outer tube. This would increase the reaction area and also make possible internal gas heating (‘gas cat’).

            As to the location of ‘the charge’ (or possibly two separate and different ‘charges’) these may be either applied as surface coatings to the inner surface of the outer tube, or perhaps held between concentric tubes. The outer tube may be of tungsten to prevent escape of gamma, and it seems possible that this metal may even be involved in the high-energy reaction (this might have been a serendipitous discovery if stainless steel was replaced by tungsten as shielding at some point)

            Speculation mode – /OFF

          • GreenWin

            Peter, in my spec mode I would think “charge” covers some element in the EM spectrum from literal sound to coherent light. Heat, plus surface plasmon excitation meets some of the BEC and WL theories.

            Sounds like great progress in amplification and control has been accomplished. Congratulations to Dr. Rossi and eminent team.

          • Peter Roe

            Agreed (I think) – some kind of surface plasmon effect seems the likeliest candidate for the exothermic reaction, perhaps utilising an internal driver (electrical current flow) or an external driver of some kind. The inner wall of the outer tube seems the most likely location for the actual ‘reaction’ for several reasons (maximum surface area, ease of heat removal, possibly accessibility to external RF/EM driving).

          • Bill

            Read further in the blog and you will see that they are using a smaller ecat to heat the larger ecat (“a mouse” as Rossi puts it). This then would give a much higher overall COP, possible up to 30+ if we are talking 6 for both.

          • Peter Roe

            Thanks – it’s probably a good idea to actually read the source before going into ‘speculation mode’! I think the general idea may hold though, with the modifiction that the ‘mouse’ (the cat/catalyser idea rather falls apart here) replaces the ceramic heater in order to to gain thermal leverage.

          • Jim Anderson

            Peter IMHO Rossi is using one smaller E-CAT to provide the stable heat neccessary for the larger E-CAT. I would expect the E-CATs to both be of conventional design for an E-CAT. I think your ideas could result in better E-CAT. Again a complete and total guess the two E-CATs may have a different type of active material but more likely the two charges are of the same material but be physicaly seperated ie two E-CATs.

          • Peter Roe

            Jim A – yes agreed, that would make sense of “A KIND OF CHARGE, WHICH ACTIVATES THE E-CAT WITH A DIFFERENT CHARGE”. The second stage must be a hot cat as shown in the ‘dissection’ movie, but fired up using a ‘conventional’ e-cat, perhaps modified for greater output, rather than a simple heater (if it ever was ‘simple’ – the ceramic block could have contained some kind of e-cat reactor even at that stage). Both components may have been improved considerably during development.

          • LCD

            Thought charge was referring to the hydrogen producing pellets

          • Peter Roe

            There was no direct evidence of the hydride pellets in the dissection movie, or any apparent means of charging the cylinder with H2. One idea suggested at the time (by myself among others) was that the ‘core’ (where the heat appeared most intense in the still images) consisted of two concentric tubes, with the substrate and hydrogen donor materials sandwiched between the two (a thin line did seem to be visible in end shots). Alternatively both the hydride and the substrate could possibly have been applied to the outer surface of the inner tube using speltering or electro-codeposition.

          • Bob

            I’m surprised that he has mentioned anything regarding what’s inside the reactor and how it works. In all previous posts he has always said that he will not disclose anything about what happens inside the reactor. This latest information seems to be quite specifically directed towards the inner workings. I wonder why the change?

          • Peter Roe

            I think he must be pretty confident that no-one will be able to figure it out, even with the ‘2 stage’ information. That may imply that a highly serendipitous discovery is involved rather than ‘Edisonian’ development, and Rossi thinks it unlikely that anyone else will encounter similar good fortune. Or possibly that a patent application is about to be submitted?

        • “He has never said something about several and different teams” True, and neither did I. “And it would be highly unusual that peer reviewers do actual testing themselves.”Agreed, but the case is also .. unusual.

        • Redford

          Actually I wonder if some of the eleven ppl aren’t actually peer reviewer. In which case the update part about the need to publish is even more encouraging. Eleven is a lot for an article, but it matches up better with typical author + peer reviewers crowd.

      • Garry

        Pekka,

        I think you are right. I had not thought about it that way about them possibly already having submitted the paper for review. But I still wonder about the “black box” aspect of the technology. Science or Nature (I would think) would want the details. Now, in my field (biotechnology) we often use black box commercial kits with “magic buffer” chemical mixes that are proprietary to the vendor… and the journals let us publish. Maybe that is the angle the Profs are using. And if there are enough heavyweights on the publishing team they will let them get away with it for a scientific scoop of this magnitude (assuming it is true).

        Or maybe they confidentially provided the underlying technology as a “for your eyes only” review?

        Will be interesting to see.

        • Silvio Balatelli

          We have seen too many announcement of that kind in the past.
          To believe any of this to be real and before opening any champagne bottles, I would prefer to see the actual report, and a clear statement by the reviewers, not by Mr Rossi.

          • Redford

            Actually what announcement of that kind exactly are you referring to ?

    • artefact

      The 11 Professors from the 4 Universities should know what peer reviewing is.

      • David

        “11 PROFESSORS AND EXPERTS”, not all professors.
        E.G. eng. Fioravanti.

        • artefact

          You are right. I read (11 Professors) + Experts

    • Whats a Rossi’s peer anyway?

      • Blanco69

        I do hope the new Two Stage Mouse Cat doesn’t become the next thing we wait for over the hill. 18 months ago I was really looking forward to a COP +6 Warm Cat, then I quietly forgot about that for an ultra sleek 800 deg Hot Cat. A new “all singing and dancing” Mouse Cat could be a wait too much for me.

      • Captain kirk

        Edison, or Tesla perhaps

        • Ok, now that makes sense again.

  • dzejk

    Great, our agony will end next month. As usual :):):)

    I realy hope this is real!!!

  • georgehants

    Well a few points.
    Mr. Rossi in line with being genuine has now painted himself into a corner that will be very difficult to escape from.
    If this is True I am for a few minutes going to believe that I received the first announcement from Mr. Rossi of something we have waited for for two years from him and 24 years from the P&F discovery and something that will certainly change the World.
    I only put up the question as an advert for ECW, It would have been better if he made this announcement in reply to a ECW question.
    If this is True and shortly (April is a bit hopeful I think unless it goes on-line or to JNP, which I would prefer to keep it away from “premier” journals who have done so much to hide this and many other scientific wonders) is confirmed then we are witnessing something as important as the discovery of electricity.
    Not quite there but maybe very close.

    • Peter Roe

      Well done George. Your name (or at least your online ‘handle’) may yet make it into the history books if this announcement turns out to be as historic as it appears to be. As you say, AR has now brought things to a head and left himself only 2 ways out – ignominy or glory.

      I just can’t conceive of any game plan that would involve such a build-up to be followed by a total let down, and tonight I’ll celebrate accordingly (actually I was going to do that anyway as I’m handing over a fair-sized job to the client today and the timing is perfect!).

      • georgehants

        Peter, so many ups and downs that rightly we must still wait for that little fat lady, but will also go out for lunch and check out the wine list today.
        Well done on your work completion.

        • GreenWin

          Gentlemen, as I have yet to engage in breakfast, I shall limit my celebration to egg and bacon, along with a strong Columbian dark roast. However, I shall toss in an extras slice of 9-grain bread for a festive morning “toast.” Sustenance.

          • Barry

            Go easy on that stuff man.

          • artefact

            I had no breakfast. I’ve got a good wine left for tonight though.
            An order for some bubbly is out to be prepared for mid April.

          • Peter Roe

            Wow GW, you really know how to let rip!

          • GreenWin

            Peter, it is my fervent hope that the not too distant shall bring about opportunity for diehards among us to gather in person with good cause to remove tongue from cheek.

            First round’s on me.

          • artefact

            Re the update:
            Is today christmas? 1st April? My birthday?
            Sooooo cool!

        • Barry

          Peter’s right, well done George. It’s true, there have been so many ups and downs with CF. It has been an emotional roller coaster (still recovering from the whole Future Energy episode). If Rossi fails us now I’m going solar.

          • Gerrit

            iccf-18 in July is going to be interesting (either way) in case Rossi hasn’t delivered until then.

      • Redford

        “I just can’t conceive of any game plan that would involve such a build-up to be followed by a total let down”

        I can. Let’s say an article that no high IF journal accepts no matter who wrote it. Article ends up being accessibl to us and as positive as the september 2012 summary but not making the point we all hope it to make.

        It’s important to note that we all the fantasy of the proven point, but it just doesn’t work like that (Planck said that in those case it’s rather a matter of the old scientist generation denying it dying of old age and the new generation embrassing the new dogma quietly). I give that to Rossi : he’s right about proving it by the market. It’s not perfect proof either but it will make a lot. Hopefully we’ll end up with both ways!

    • Redford

      “April is a bit hopeful”

      I am happy if this is 2013. We’re speaking about the publication of highly controversial material. This can’t go fast at the level of publication they seem to be aiming at.

  • Karl

    It is really great to get this monumental message. I think we as humans have to congratulate our self and in congratulate and tank A Rossi for his mission and courage to bring this forward. Clean, cheap and successively free energy will be at the door steps for each one of us. With such message spread no one will be able to stop this kind of solution.

  • John-64

    “NOW WE PASS TO THE INDUSTRIAL ENGAGEMENTS: WE HAVE TO DELIVER OUR PLANTS BY THE END OF APRIL.”

    Based on previous expectations, ain’t gonna happen.

    • Peter Roe

      The wording implies a contractual obligation.

    • captain kirk

      Your comment makes as much sense to me as your calling Lord Kelvin an idiot

  • buffalo

    it would be interesting to chek if the oil stockmarkets did anything unusual today,a little kink downup?

    • Al_D

      Daily crude oil consumption is approaching 90,000,000 barrels per day (about 3 trillion dollars per year). A paradigm shift such as this will take 20 to 30 years and a lot of new technology development before oil stocks are seriously affected.

      • buffalo

        yes but markets are speculation based.a tiny fart of an announcement of success will jitter some graphs.

        • Al_D

          True, but the many more trillions in infrastructure such as producing wells, producing coal mines, generating stations, grid investment, pipelines, transportation, refineries, cars on the road, car manufacturers and gas stations will all have to be depreciated before being phased out in favor of new technology. In many cases fossil fuels will still be more cost effective from a business and consumer standpoint than CF. Searching and developing new fossil fuel resources costs about $90 per barrel of production. Existing producing wells, however, are dirt cheap.

  • artefact

    If he delivers by end of April, then the certification should be complete!?

    • Peter Roe

      If the prototype is going to a military buyer (USN?) certification is unlikely to be needed. If the ‘buyer’ is a subsidiary of the manufacturer, or the unit is sold for ‘experimental’ purposes to another large business, the need for full certification could almost certainly be bypassed. Either way I think it’s not very likely that full safety testing and certification will be in place when/if the prototype is finally revealed.

  • Gerrit

    It is in cases like this that I wish I had a degree in psychology instead of engineering.

    This is a strong announcement by Rossi, if he is telling the truth about the successful completion of the tests, well then boys and girls “alea iacta est”.

    If the report doesn’t surface until end of April (either published or on a preprint server) then all basis to hope for a happy end will be lost.

    So, either way the next 1-2 months is going to tell us a lot about the reality of the ecat.

    • Dickyaesta

      Hello Gerrit as you kindly responded to one of my posts about this subject, the following: If you can provide me with a piece of video of Rossi after he wrote this comment to GeorgeHants, preferably talking about this, I will probably be able to tell you if something really has changed.

      I am very much into this visual thing, since a long time it started as a sort of hobby when I became conscious all politicians were lying almost all the time and it iritated very much to not know what was really going on.

      I started ‘practising’, it when reading about ordinary Russians telling about how they, in the ‘good’ old days of the USSR, had all kinds of ways of reading between the lines what their leaders were actually saying and one of which was face reading. Maybe it will help to know before mid april, but then again that is not much of a wait since starting to read about Rossi’s sayings.

      Saludos to you from a sunny Spain and before long I will be able to warm my swimming pool all year long with a hot Ecat and cool the house in summer and stop worrying They tell the truth because it doesn’t matter anymore!!

  • artefact

    A report by the Energy Watch Group is released today.

    http://www.energywatchgroup.org/fileadmin/global/pdf/EWG-update2013_long_18_03_2013.pdf

    The report predicts that the production of all fossile fueles will reach their maximum before 2020

    • theBuckWheat

      Peak Oil is a specious concept, because the use of hydrocarbons for fuels is an economic activity that is far more the result of adaption and innovation than just the raw quantities of supply. Moreover, higher value uses justify higher cost supplies. Since the quantities of methane hydrates under the ocean floor and in arctic permafrost exceeds all the world’s known reserves of coal, oil and natural gas, I would say that only a fool frets about peak oil, especially in light of LENR developments. And then there is energy from thorium.

      Anyway, with liberals (er, now “progressives”) things to worry about are only tools to advance The Agenda.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        “Peak Oil” will soon prove to be true, but because of lack of demand (competition from LENR). The supply of oil will always be ample. There will be years of continued demand for oil for gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel but once improved batteries are available, gasoline will be history.

        • Joel C.

          That’s a good alternative way of explaining peak oil.

        • daniel maris

          Well congratulations to all who kept the faith, and to GeorgeHants who deserved to receive the news first…

          HOWEVER…with Mr. Rossi I don’t feel we can put up the flags yet. We need to see and hear those profs – not just read their results when (and if) they finally come.

          But this could be one of the most historic days in the planet’s history…who knows…I certainly hope so!

    • GreenWin

      Writing on the wall: http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2013/03/21/the-next-energy-shortage-big-oil-ceos/

      The new crop of execs had better take the crash intensive on disruptive technologies. No matter how much new oil is “discovered” – its recovery, refinement, and distribution will have to be carefully managed side by side with LENR – to avoid catastrophic collapse. This demands an entirely new leader able to manage massive transition of assets to an entirely new geo-political space.

  • Gérard2013

    The countdown is running, it is wonderful to live this moment together. Fingers crossed for the next and final sprint, the report …

    in french

    Le compte a rebours est en marche, c’est merveilleux de vivre ce moment ensemble. Je croise les doigts pour la suite et le sprint final, la publication du rapport…

  • Sweeney

    This is great news on a snowy March day. With such positive results how can the team of experts keep their mouths sealed for the next month?

    • artefact

      They maby tell their wifes and some close friends and some of them tell some others. But with the “special” reputation of Cold fusion, no facts in hand and something too good to be true this should not go viral.
      After the released report things look different.

  • Robert

    Keeping my fingers crossed!

    I would ask people’s thoughts on why they think this announcement will be any different than the one last summer. A “third party” test was done then, with positive results released. One of the testers was a NASA engineer (acting independantly?) if I remember correctly. Yet this report was not only ignored by the world in general, it seems to have been “lost in translation” to even cold fusion followers.

    My concern is that the 11 testers may be unknown professors / engineers from some unknown university or company, acting independantly (i.e. no stamp of approval from the universities / corporation themselves). This will not make the tests invalid, but will it make the tests note worthy to the scientific public? Anymore so than last years?

    A NASA engineer conducted tests and it was not well recieved. Probably largely due to the fact that NASA did not acknowledge the test. What will this outcome be.

    I am very concerned that the statement “The Party is composed by professors of 4 international Universities” is being misread. It does not say “the testing is being done by 4 international Universities”. This is a big difference in the way the report will be viewed by the scientific powers that be. It could accruately be said that last summer’s test was done by “a NASA engineer”. However, that does not mean that NASA did the testing nor even approved of it.

    So my point is…. I am hopeful, excited and guarded. Too often I have been let down, mainly due to my misinterpeted reading of Rossii’s words, wanting them to mean what I desire versus what they actually do.

    I guess we will wait and see. However, remember, this very scenario played out last summer and ended in the ballon deflating so to speak.
    Not to be a protagonist, but becoming guarded.

    • captain kirk

      Is this the exciting conclusion to the soap opera I’ve been watching for two years “Andrea Rossi (Edison or Madoff?) and his AMAZING, MAGIC E-Cat Actually this is just a continuation of the Nickel Hydrogen anomolies I started to “watch” four years ago when I heard of a third party validation of Blacklight Power’s nickel hydrogen fuel cell by Rowan University… which is an interesting ongoing soap opera itself

    • Peter Roe

      There’s a lot of it about. This saga has left many of us rather less prone to excitement following Rossi’s pronouncements than might previously have been the case.

      Somehow this feels different though – there is no apparent reason for Rossi to suddenly ‘paint himself into a corner’ as Georgehants put it, unless what he says is actually true. He could have carried on saying he had no knowledge almost indefinitely, and people would have just drifted away quietly, but he has chosen not to do that.

      Personally I doubt that his projected timespan will prove accurate, and there is bound to be skeptopathic jubilation one minute into the 1st May when the sky has not been filled with fireworks, but I really think we may be close to public disclosure at last. How big a plash that makes is another thing entirely, as it will depend on MSM reporting, which has not so far been much in evidence.

    • GreenWin

      With you Robert. You cannot imagine how excited we all were way back in 1951 when work on the amazing Perhapsatron and Stellarator was announced. But you might imagine how guarded (disappointed) we became when 30 years later, there was STILL nothing to show:

      “For more than thirty years the possibility of an unlimited source of energy that would require little more than water as fuel has enticed scientists and the public.” JL Bromberg, MIT Press, 1980

      http://amzn.to/11DkC0t

  • JJE

    One of the engineers would said : ”What we have seen is too important, must absolutely be published”

    Verry exciting !

  • LCD

    So there are 11 new delusional experts (say the pseudoskepts).

    Hope the test report is airtight because they will be in for the fight of their lives.

    • Lu

      There will always be an element of skepticism for any test establishing a new scientific fact, i.e, there is no such thing as an airtight test in the world of Science. With an anticipated COP anywhere close to 6 there is a huge margin of error so this should be a non-issue.

      For me the important thing will be the actual individuals performing these tests–what are their qualifications and experiences, how independent was the test, and whether these individuals are willing to stand up in front of the podium and answer any and all questions.

      • Dave

        Lu, I agree. I’m willing to accept that the E-Cat works, but I need evidence from a reputable, independent 3rd party, not more “Rossi Says.”

  • Lu

    +1 to Rossi. Can hardly wait for the report.

    P.S. Rossi also later answered the question by someone else that I had about how many Hot-Cats were used for the test–3. This is a good answer!

    • Shane D.

      Based on Rossis’ use of CAPITAL letters, the number and enthusiasm of his follow up answers to questions… I would say that based on over two years of observation that Rossi is telling the truth this time.

      Maybe the end result won’t be exactly as we are being led to expect -afterall he does seem prone to exageration at times, but we should see some pretty impressive news. Or at least that is my educated guess.

      Also, when Rossi comes through with some big news like this, DGT usually follows with something; an interview, announcement, or a flurry of posts somewhere. Will be interesting to see if they kick in now in response.

      Anyways, Rossi has my undivided attention again.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        “ALL-CAPS” may be the secret catalyst.

        • GreenWin

          Iggy, you might be thinking cartoonist AL CAPP, creator of Li’l Abner about the same time as Popeye!

  • I await the report, but not with bated breath.

  • SolarSurfer

    Maybe somebody can enlighten me. What, apart from using capital letters, is the difference to the last time he said the tests finished yesterday and the results were good? That was, what… 5 months or so ago? From what I saw on rossilivecat this is still the same test, isn’t it?

    • KD

      >>>>That was, what… 5 months or so ago? From what I saw on rossilivecat this is still the same test, isn’t it?<<<<<<<

      No, it is second test done by the same team of profesors.
      Probably they didn't believed theirs eyes, what they observed. So they requested for another test.:))

      • SolarSurfer

        Forgive me for being anal, but if follow up tests count, then this is at least the fourth test.

    • Shane D.

      Solar,

      With Rossi don’t ever underestimate the significance of CAPITAL letters.

      LOL. OK, thats not a whole lot to go on, but interpreting the Rossisms, or “Rossi says” and trying to decipher, laying out timelines, etc. is a bit futile as it never seems to add up in the end. All it usually shows is that Rossi frequently exagerates and purposely mangles his english, or misdirects in his answers to questions when it suits his purpose.

      That said, it does seem that this is the same test since last summer. But then again, one could argue that it is different -as he did say in the beginning that the first good result was not really a test… see what I mean.

      Now back to those CAPITAL letters….

      • SolarSurfer

        I SEE

    • Roger Bird

      I don’t know about the same test, but he said that this third party, independent testing had POSITIVE results and would be published by mid-April. I will even accept the end of April. But if there is no third party, independent results reported after that, I won’t really want to hear about Rossi anymore. I will disown him if this is more hot air.

  • Stringbustr

    it’s a wonderful day in the neighborhood !!

  • Gerrit

    “HAVE BEEN COMPLETED YESTERDAY.” – Rossi wrote this on March 24, thus the work was completed March 23, that is 24 years to the day of the Fleischmann-Pons press conference.

    “1- please wait the report, which will be published within 3 weeks with all the details” – within 3 weeks ? so April 10 would qualify.

    That would be great, because Fleischmann – Pons published their paper on April 10 1989 in the Journal of Electroanalytical Chemistry, Vol. 261, Issue 2, Part 1, p. 301-308

    Interesting idea

    • artefact

      and 24 is a reversed 42. The answer to als (energy) questions 🙂

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        That made me laugh 🙂

    • Chris the 2nd

      It was also my 27th Birthday…

      • artefact

        Oh, sorry I’m late: happy birthday!

        • Chris the 2nd

          😀

          Always feels a little serendipitous when important events happen on your birthday. Until you appreciate how statistically likely it is to happen. Which is pretty much certain several times over.

          I do particularly like that this particular event could be it though. I’ve always followed cold fusion as a non-cynical skeptic because of the initial announcements proximity to my birthday (bizarre but true)and love when under dogs triumph. Still a long way to go yet though.

          • artefact

            yes, two – three weeks can be very long, hehe. No, very maybe it will take a while longer to get the wave running but I have a good feeling that your birthday this year was on a day where the ice on the glacier broke to start a big avalanche on the way down.

    • GreenWin

      Thanks Gerrit. Excellent dot-connecting.

  • Great news! Once these results are published and placed side-by-side with the verifications for Randell Mills’ hydrino reactor, it will become apparent to the world that a new dawn of energy is breaking upon us. May God bless that day!

    • NJT

      Yes, I agree this is the best news to come from Mr. Rossie in some time. Let us all hope that by the end of April a “New Fire” revolution will be sweeping a world which definitely needs the help at this point in time. It may just save our civilization and this spaceship Earth we all depend on!

    • Bruno

      What verification of Randall Mill’s hydrino reactor? The Rowan University test that took place years ago? If those Rowan tests were so positive all those years ago, why are we still waiting for a real product to come out of BLP?

      • captain kirk

        My guess is that Mills was never able to adequately control the reaction… also he began thinking that the best way to commercialize was to directly produce electricity so he has spent the last 2 or 3 years trying to create a CIHT cell (catalyst induced hydrogen transition) …. a prototype producing 5 to 10 watts was reported on last May by I believe 4 scientists he hired as consultants…… the plan was to have a 100 watt cell by the end of 2012 and a 1500 watt cell by the end of 2013

        • Ash

          You do realize Mills has been trying his BLP schtick for 22 years right. He started it in 1991!

          • captain kirk

            Absolutely! But with a brilliant mind I would never count him out (I believe I read that he graduated from Harvard Medical School in record time) also has many patents to his name and Rowan University repeated the tests numerous times over a two year period and always got 1.6 to 6 cop I know, I know it must be measurement error and how about his own Grand Unified Theory?

          • captain kirk

            In fact The replication by Rowan University of Blacklight Powers Nickel Hydrogen fuel cell was the first I heard of the possibility of a nickel hydrogen anomolous heat effect. I heard about Rossi’s January demo around the middle of March two years ago and at that time thought well unlikely but maybe I’ll have to keep an eye on it now and then ……Wow, what a soap opera it’s been!

  • artefact

    International Business Times
    has a little post about the Rossi-news and links also to e-catworld

    In Italian:
    http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/45420/20130325/fusione-fredda-test-indipendenti-positivo-risultati.htm

    • georgehants

      Well found. everybody else is reporting on the latest personality scandal.

  • Robb Cundick

    I don’t see how anyone–whether skeptic or believer–cannot be excited about this. This is different than anything I have seen in the couple of years I have been visiting this site.

    The comment that Rossi has painted himself into a corner if this does not pan out is right on target. Progress will probably always be slower than we would like to see, but for me this seems to substantially reduce the probability that Rossi is a scammer.

    He has raised the stakes astronomically and his credibility surely cannot survive if the positive report does not make an appearance in the not too distant future.

    • SolarSurfer

      I don’t get that at all. Why has this raised the stakes? How could he possibly paint himself even more into a corner than the one he has been in ever since he first claimed in an official patent application that he was heating his office for years with an e-Cat?

      • Robb Cundick

        If you can’t see how saying that qualified researchers are shortly going to publish an independent report confirming that excess energy is real and that they have already expressed private enthusiasm about it raises expectations exponentially more than saying you’ve heated an office with an e-Cat then there’s not much point in my trying to explain it to you.

        • SolarSurfer

          There is no need to get rude. To me it seems like the difference between writing about tests on one’s own blog in a fairly anecdotal way and claiming something in an official patent application should be obvious enough. YMMV.

      • Roger Bird

        Because we have a limited attention span?

        • Robb Cundick

          If you have a limited attention span then you probably didn’t make it through that lo-o-o-ng sentence. ;>)

          • Roger Bird

            Which long sentence?

      • It’s because Rossi has now no exit.
        His statements before were all very weak, and he had always the possibility to excuse his statements.

        But now, this is a statement about an independent team. As he always said, it’s not under his control now what this team will say about his machine.

        This is the difference to all other “Rossi said”‘s…

      • artefact

        Focardi said into the camera “I’ve seen that heater and shown it to others”. I think it was the TED with Focardi.

    • Roger Bird

      Robb Cundick, ditto!

  • Tommy Trouble

    Congratulations to Mr. Rossi

  • Tommy Trouble

    Congratulations to Mr. Rossi! A world changing event of stupendous proportion!

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Are you ready for the LENR Spring? Markets are going to go crazy. I am putting most of my LENR money into GE. Where are you investing?

    • Roger Bird

      I think that GE is a good bet. But I ain’t putting my money in anything yet. When the report comes out, it will still be months before most people even have a clue. If I actually had any money, I would place my bet when the report comes out.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Just caught KOLD. US NatGas down 4% today.

      • Thinksforself

        Was a warm winter. Nothing to see here.

  • georgehants

    Mr. Rossi dares to defy the gods.
    Including the gods of the scientific establishment.
    Andrea Rossi
    March 25th, 2013 at 10:58 AM
    Dear Carloluna:
    Gotta problems with the liver… Can you hunt the nasty bird ?
    Prometheus

  • john

    Im tired of Mr. Rossie. It seems like this is a never ending saga. Test and more test. What is wrong with one test by renound professors? Why not do one test and publish the results?

    • Rio

      Funny…this is supposedly good news and Rossi still gets bashed.

      • It’s mainly a matter of looking at who by.

      • Jess

        I have no faith in this “test”. If he is for real — if he’s not a scammer — maybe we’ll find out this year.

    • Methusela

      What’s the hurry? He has given himself a finite timescale.

    • Roger Bird

      John, I think that you are one of these people who are good with numbers and analysis and not so good understanding people. I also was dismayed at Rossi’s hot air month after month. But this is different. This is either the end of Rossi, or the end of the old energy economy as we know it.

    • Peter Poulsen

      “What’s the hurry? He has given himself a finite timescale.”
      He have given himself a finite timescale before and then broken it.

      “This is either the end of Rossi, or the end of the old energy economy as we know it.”
      A statement made several times on this board.

      Personally im not popping the champagne until we have real 3rd party proof that the ECat works, and here im not talking about some unknown person from a organisation noone knows about. It needs to come from respected sources.

      This is offcourse interresting news, but i have read so many “rossi says” statements that i wont take anything for granted unless he shows some proof.
      Infact dont be surprised if something will happen in the next 3 weeks which will delay the whole thing. The most obvious statement would be “additional tests have to be made, to confirm the results. Therefore we have to delay the publication 2 months…”

      • Bruno

        Agreed. Until it emerges from the realm of “Rossi says” and takes the form of an unbiased 3rd party report by real people with real reputations for technical competence, I’ll keep my champagne corked. It will be cool as hell if it turns out to be the real deal. I signed up for the home E-CAT over a year ago and would be tickled pink if I could buy one in a couple of years.

      • V.p.S.

        The whole process of independent tests was so far rather disappointing in terms of several delays, but still, unless you follow this story with a general precept of scepticism, everything was plausible and consistent. So we were getting more and more disappointed, but have not lost our belief.
        What Roger means by “This is either the end of Rossi, or the end of the old energy economy as we know it.”, the last hold for the belief which Rossi gave us by these news, will break even for the hard core believers in Rossi, if no publication will be seen in the next couple of months. If an expert on the test team says: “must absolutely be published” – there will be no excuse for not doing it so.

        • GreenWin

          Unless the “publisher” is ordered NOT to publish. Anything can be suppressed by simple order. Witness “Report 41.”

          • V.p.S.

            If “publisher” will be ordered not to publish, there is still left what Rossi promised – release the report on the internet. This is for me equivalent to publishing in some magazine.

          • Chris I

            Great news!

            The only thing I don’t get is: If they haven’t yet elaborated the data, how are they drawing conclusions as strong as “BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT”? Strikes me a bit odd.

  • georgehants

    From the Website NewsNow that shows hundreds of scientific reports as they happen, today as usual the top story is an irrelevant occurrence.
    Maybe Mr. Rossi has not shown total conformation, but compared with the daily reports from science showing that Farting increases Global Warming etc. one might think it would deserve a mention.
    —–
    Daily Mirror
    By Martin Newman
    Whisky created from space experiment is named best in the world
    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Science

    • Whoops – I just added 1 x 10(-8) deg. C to the average global temperature. It’s all the excitement. Sorry.

  • Roger Bird

    It does seem beyond belief that Rossi would make these statements and they not be true. So, I am going to say 85% positive, 14% hot air, and 1% negative. Who wants to bet, 2 to 1?

  • Sanjeev

    It looks like he replaced the heating source of the hot cat with another smaller Ecat. Which means the COP will be very very high.

    Its only a matter of technique now and more such cascading arrangements can be invented, so that there is a milliwatt powered “Mouse” at one end and a MW of heat at the another.

    I’ve very high hopes from this report and I hope its not a repeat of previous third party report which was by unknown people and Rossi’s own friends and had so many errors as if written by a school kid.

    Of course there will be people who will say show me this or that then I will believe but when more names are added to a claim it becomes heavier, if not obviously true.

    In last couple of years, many more websites have started covering lenr (as I can guess by the daily google alerts I get), so this report will have a wider reach, even if it gets ignored by mass media. All we need is a clear report and named people.

    • The “Ivy Mike” of cold fusion devices, staged design.

    • SolarSurfer

      I remember that the cascading in order to reach higher COPs has been discussed ad nauseam here and on JONP and the conclusion has always been that Rossi rejected this pretty obvious idea (for safety reasons, if I remember correctly). So if he now DOES cascade he must have changed something else, too.

      • Sanjeev

        Perhaps here is where the big American partner comes in the scene. They engineered it.
        Once there is heat, its all trivial engineering.

        • captain

          The Babcock & Wilcox co. – it’s their job, after all, to produce energy.

          And now with the extremely positive results certified by a dozen of professors/inspectors…

      • Omega Z

        SolarSurfer

        It’s a matter of How the Question is asked.
        Can you Run the E-cat off of it’s own Energy Production.
        Technically Yes.. In Reality No for safety reasons.

        This applies to all Energy Production. Coal, Gas, Nuclear, Etc… Should the System Fail, you no longer have control over the System.

        In General, this is not a problem with existing Systems as their all tied into the Grid. If Your System stops producing, you still have power from the Grid.

        The Problem can also be circumvented by a Large Battery Backup or Self Starting Generator for emergencies.
        But to Run an E-cat or most any other system off of it’s self isn’t recommended. Especially if it introduces possible safety Issues.

    • Rene Vega

      I’ve always wondered why there was such strong negative feedback in his system, and have suspected that some kind of gamma pumping is involved. So, perhaps the mouse is a tiny e-cat that activates with a small amount of heat and then the copious gamma flux activates the larger hot cat. Assuming the hot cat is designed to have built-in low Q (meaning lots of negative feedback), the mouse can be used to modulate the much larger energy flux. This is a guess, but wow, such levels of controls and high COP are the making for amazingly safe high power. Am hopeful, though quite worried this tech is not going to reach domestic use in a very long time.

      • Indeed, it is a possibility, doesn’t sound implausible. Another possibility might be that the mouse runs hotter than the cat.

  • Iggy Dalrym ple

    U.S. Natural Gas Fund (UNG) ETF down 4% today.

    • Roger Bird

      Iggy, with respect, I think you are I Chinging it. It is too early. If all energy stocks start going south after this report is (supposed to be) reported, then I will believe it.

      • Omega Z

        Roger

        I suspect when this hits MSM- There will be a drop in Energy stock prices & Fossil fuels, but only temporarily.

        Then they will Recover as Reality sets in. It will take decades before the real results pay off. Much more gradual then many think.

        It all boils down to economics. Also the need for other technology advances. There’s also a tipping point where the new technology itself will slow the transition.

        Just a simple example: An Electric car charged by an E-cat system is more then competitive to $4 a gallon of Gas, but do to reduced Gas demand, that gas is now only a dollar. The Urgency to Transition to an Electric car fades.

        This effect will be felt across all economic lines.

        • Rockyspoon

          True, but what oil company will be producing gasoline at a buck a gallon when they lose money on each gallon? They’ve paid for those oil reserves at a price much higher than that, and won’t start dumping just because they want to slow the transition to a LENR paradigm. Besides, it would be a waste to use an electric car because they’re expensive, short-ranged, and hazardous. Better to install several E-cats hooked up to a steam engine (Cyclone Power is an example), and re-fuel every 6 months or more rather than every 6 hours for an electric car. A Cyclone E-Cat Ford/Chevy/etc. would be far less expensive to own and operate than a Volt w/ E-Cat charger. Take the power source with the car–no emissions, no problem.

          • steve savage

            They go broke … of course they will attempt to keep prices artificially high as long as they can (there are many vested in that scenario.. it is a long term losing bet) .. The process is under way .. Cuts in refining capacity will be common .. No one will ever invest in a new refinery again .. other than basic maintenance. Refining will become less expensive, all the inputs will be less except for plant and equip which could easily rise by factor of 10.

            Very difficult to trace all the disruption… no way to plan for it .. It will be Mostly Good Messy and quite some bad messy as well..

            Think the powers that be are ignoring all this?, think again. They read all the blogs and have hooks into all the info and are planning their path through it just as we all are .. They may possibly have some advantages in access over us..

            Looking forward to seeing it all play out 🙂

  • Paul C

    Great news now when is this going to roll out officially, Rossi I’m sure is elated, also there are others like New Energy that better start sweating bullets when they present them with the libel lawsuit that will be a joy )

  • Linda

    If this is true, and the report is indisputable, we will wake up one morning next month in a new Atomic Age, the Age of LENR.

    After more than a year, I am going to permit myself to hope again.

    Linda

  • Lukedc

    I am truly looking forward to this as a realisation of two years of nail biting hope.
    But there is one thing that I’m still really concerned about. If Rossi is partnered now with a serious industrial entity, how will it affect the the small time players that Rossi signed deals with??
    If it is a big energy player such as Siemens, they will have total and utter control of industrial process. There will be no place for the Roger Greens of this world in the old regional licence scheme that Rossi put in place.

    • Omega Z

      Lukedc

      Rossi stated after announcing the New Partnership, that Previous regional license agreements are still in force. They will not be cut off.

  • Björn

    Great news! Now se will soon know if the Cat is dead or alive. Unless of course its Schrödingers Cat 🙂

    • Barry

      Heh heh

    • LilyLover

      Correction:
      Even if it’s Schrödingers Cat.
      🙂

      After beeing seen, the Schrödinger’s Cat loses that specialty!!

  • artefact
  • artefact
  • Barry

    Is this realy it???

    • Andre Blum

      perhaps.

      • Gerrit

        definitely maybe

    • Preston

      Yes, it sounds pretty good.

      But, I’d like to point out, all that is being claimed is proof of the effect. They could have issues with control, with manufacturing, with reliability, or any number of issues that need to be worked out before a product can ship. I could still be months or even years before reactors ship in high volume,

  • Shane D.

    So much has happened it is easy to forget that this will be the second report on the Hot-Cat:

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/high-temperature-e-cat-report-published/

    In this first report last summer the reported COP was 2.2… similiar to Brillouins. Not the 6 COP of the Warm-Cat. It will be interesting to see how this coming report compares.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      I thought the (revised) COP of that report was between 11 and 30. Anybody can confirm or deny?

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Well, I agree with most posters here. This is sort of a make or break deal for Rossi. If the report will be severely delayed or turns out to be nothing special he will probably loose a lot of believers. I can understand why he appeared to be so nervous about this report seeing as it is so important for his credibility.

    Personally I still believe in him. I really don’t see what kind of scam with the e-cat would benefit him so for me the simplest explanation is usually the right explanation which in my case says he’s got the goods. Have been getting awfully tired of waiting for some really good news the last couple of months though.

    It shouldn’t surprise that he now has a cascaded e-cat system (if I understand this correctly). That is the holy grail apparently: a little e-cat feeding a bigger e-cat so your energy requirement for the e-cat is only the little e-cat. You still don’t have a closed loop, which is not allowed for fear of a self feeding runaway reaction. If I had to guess, the little e-cat only produces the heat (not electricity) for the normal e-cat. As others have said that would give you a tremendous COP. His new partner probably has been adding enormously to the development process.

    Should this all be true, then in hindsight you could say up to now, Rossi made all the right choices.

    • h_corey

      Why can’t the Mouse be an unshielded version of the E-Cat lodged in the center of the bigger vessel? Gammas/heat from the first reaction propagate outwards into the second. The larger reaction is shielded and and all the residual gammas are thermalized.

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        Could well be. I am just guessing as we probably all do. Hope to learn some specifics soon.

  • Til hamingu með þetta afrek.

    Til lykke med din bedrift.

    Congratulation with your achievement.

    We are some here in Iceland that have been following you and your web news for the last 3 year and we have always believed in you.

    Með kveðju frá Íslandi
    Regard for Iceland.

    Friðrik Hansen Guðmundsson

    • Obamot

      What “achievement”? Nothing is “achieved” until it is.

  • clovis

    hello, everyone,
    well, all i can say is, wow,all my dreams come true,thank you Dr. Rossi for your staying power, i so proud of you.

  • Stephen

    “We of course have only Rossi’s word for this”. I agree with you.

    “it would not make sense for him to make such a comment if the results turn out to be negative”… I don’t agree with this kind of reverse-engineering of AR’s statements.

    For instance you are assuming results from a reliable/existing third party are coming, for real. Once (if ever) there is a real report, from real persons, it will be possible to discuss about all this. Before that, I think it’s hard to draw any conclusion.

    Don’t get me wrong: I hope this technology really works and will be confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt. It would be great. However, we’re not there. We still just have AR’s word, as usual.

  • Dra

    Sooner or later he will realise the elastic limit of human suspension of disbelief I believe he has just about reached it. Even the most delusional optimist must now be realising something is amiss. We all wanted to believe the man with a dodgy looking past.

    • captain kirk

      Oh no, not another denalist flatearth buffoon!

    • Alex

      Dra, if it does not cost you anything to believe, is it not all the same in the end? Belief or not. Please leave the propaganda to the facts, each person has their own views on this.

    • Stephen

      No sorry I think there is no elastic limit to human suspension of disbelief, or “faith”, if you want. I think there are many nice examples around, in religion, politics, etc, etc. They say neurons in human brain can form more connections than the number of atoms existing in the universe. I am sure there is enough “space” to find a way to believe in AR forever, in spite of any positive or negative evidence… 🙂

      Anyway, I guess you don’t believe in AR endeavour and you have a convinced follower here 🙂 … however to be very honest it’s basically impossible to say anything about AR as he’s basically just talking or providing fact through uncomplete/unverified experiments, secrect costumers, secret third parties, etc. All this for over two years. There are things that cannot be proved wrong (nor right). This is enough for some people (like me and you, I guess) for filing the thing under the BS drawer… but to be very honest I think one cannot draw any rational and reliable conclusion on this story.

      PS for the believers… sure, maybe in few days it will all be proved right. Believe it or not, that will make me happy. However, I won’t surely lose my sleep waiting for it…

    • Roger Bird

      I am not of Dra’s thinking. I am just sick and tired of “Rossi says”.

  • Leonard Weinstein

    I do not know for sure the outcome of Rossie’s systems, but regardless of the outcome, I think most of the comments posted here show they do not understand the point that what they think or accept do not matter in the least. If the process works to the point where an industrial version is eventually made, it will be made whatever you think. Rossi did initial funding himself, and if now industrial or governmental partners are now on board, it is because THEY are convinced the product works as desired. The ego of such as Roger Bird and others that say such as “if there is no third party, independent results reported after that, I won’t really want to hear about Rossi anymore. I will disown him if this is more hot air” is just proof of their being convinced their opinion is important.

    • Roger Bird

      Leonard Weinstein, I am humbly corrected. My opinion does not matter whatsoever. However, I do not wish to look like the fool (there goes my ego again) and I will simply lose interest in him.

      • Rockyspoon

        Having been involved in several bleeding-edge ventures myself, I can say that it takes more time and effort than originally planned–it always does.

        I suggest giving Rossi some elbow room and cut him some slack. Don’t take him too seriously because he’s a busy guy that’s probably overworked and under life-crushing pressure. On the other hand, riding a wave the size he’s (hopefully) caught would be an exhilirating, once-in-a-lifetime experience, too.

        So take it a day, a week, or even a month at a time. Maybe Rossi’s all hat and no cattle, and if so, there’s easier ways to do a swindle. Maybe he’s onto something earth-shattering. Either way, don’t go away. Just know Rossi will either be considered a saint or sinner, or some combination of both.

        But then, aren’t we all?