What is Passerini Saying?

Daniele Passerini has posted a very enigmatic post on his 22passi.blogspot.com site which is titled “To all LENR / Cold Fusion Researchers” which goes on to give what seems to be in code, using political parties to represent chemicals:

“In Italy it is known that Communion and Liberation ( CL ) and the Democratic Party ( PD ) give poor results together (the usual ” cattocomunisti “!) … keep that in mind and use the format PDF – I repeat PDFFFF”

Unusually for Passerini this post is in English. It’s possible that he is just having a bit of fun, but people following cold fusion / E-Cat news do pay attention to Passerini because he has contacts in the field, and is close to people, like Giuseppe Levi, who has done work on the E-Cat — and who may have been involved in the 3rd party testing, or have knowledge about the testing.

Anyway, I don’t know what to make of this. It may be joke of some kind, but I thought I would throw this out to the ECW readership to see if anyone is up to tackling this mysterious message!

  • Andre Blum

    I have more or less had it with this Passerini guy. He consistently fails to deliver. Better to ignore him.

    • Peter Roe

      Things are quiet – we don’t have much else to chew on just now!

      • clovis

        MY GUESS IS HE WAS DRUNK he had to much red wine, lol that all.

        • stuey81

          do you mean hi yall?, i read what you have written as if it was lifted from this sentance “hi, you`ll never believe where i just was” see what im getting at

  • Andre Blum

    palladium tetrafluoride is probably what he says. (from a comment at passerini’s blog).

    • Peter Roe

      Yes – the ‘code’ seems to mean that palladium (tetra?)chloride (PD/Pd + CL/Cl) doesn’t work but palladium tetrafluoride (PDFFFF/PdF4) does. I assume that this would be the electrolyte in a P&F type wet cell (D2O).

      • LCD

        I agree that is probably what he means, but it’s Passerini…even if he did hear it, Andre is right nothing he ever says is worth anything.

    • Peter Roe

      I should have said “doesn’t work well” for P&F’s palladium chloride cell. Passerini seems to be claiming that someone has cracked the problems with reproducibility and created a reliable(?) or high power(?) P&F cell by substituting PdF4 (or possibly in a Mosier-Boss type cell, http://eetimes.com/electronics-news/4081892/Cold-fusion-experimentally-confirmed).

  • Andre Blum

    (double post — wordpress has problems catching up with me)

  • LENR4you

    ABB to Buy Power-One for $1 Billion

    Maybe they will change solar inverters to LENR inverters! 😉

  • Maybe linked to recent unstable alliance between the two moderate party in Italy, against Bepe Grillo…

  • Little bird

    All those blabbers are meant to tell us that the report will exit on April 22 at 22:22:22 GMT+2
    Birds are never straightforward. They love to play 🙂

    • robiD

      In the comments on 22passi no one wrote what you are saying.

      • Peter Roe


        Any clues there as to where Passerini got the info he seems so excited about?

        • robiD

          None. I think best Passerini’s quality is honesty, he will never reveal important infos if someone ask him to not reveal them (I also think this is the reason why he knows a lot of behind-the-scenes-activities relatively to his contacts).

          • Peter Roe

            Thanks. I suppose we’ll have to wait for more riddles then.

    • morse

      No better day than today –> Earth day 22/04/2013

  • RenzoB

    It seems related to Chlorine and Palladium, that they don’t work well together but I don’t know what PDFFF could stand for…

    I don’t think it has anything to do with Rossi and the tests but rather with Celani

    • Peter Roe

      PDFFFF = palladium tetrafluoride (see earlier in thread). Passerini is saying it works better in a wet CF cell than palladium chloride.

    • len4eye

      Passerini talked about this announcement in a coded message he wrote back in dicember here http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/12/codex-22-passi.html

      this was about the e-cat (see the post tags: “E-CAT”, “sassolini nella scarpa” and comments below). he said he would give the “key” to unlock the message in due time and maybe the time has arrived. in other words this PD-FFFF post would be what D.P. predicted in that blogpost back in dicember.
      so if he will reveal the “key” to understand it and if the dicember coded message confirm the recent misterious announcement (that we expect will post more today at 22:22, but we don’t know for sure) it will prove that he really knew about it, was not inventing “cazzabubbole”.

      I hope this is not the n-th “bubble soap” about nothing tough.

      sorry for bad english

  • Roger Bird

    It could very well be some kind of code, as other writers have said. However, Passerini would know that we would decipher the code and put it out here where everyone and their uncle can read it. Would not this open him up to patent infringement legal problems?

    • Peter Roe

      The ‘coded’ message seems pretty clear, but as usual with Passerini the question is whether his ‘information’ real, or something he’s half heard, mis-heard or just made up.

    • Chris I

      Oh certainly not patent infringement, this question is a contradiction in terms. Patents and industrial secrecy are two quite opposite kinds of protection and mutually exclusive in principle.

  • Chris I

    I too thought he must be suggesting flouride in lieu of chloride, it’s such an easy riddle to solve (and I’m scarcely even a chemist); his political satire hardly matters and is even rather odd.

    So, as said, how reliable is this hint? How did he get it without an NDA? How far is he wanting to stretch his good ties with Rossi? Hmmmmmm.

  • Kim

    Is he saying or inferring or revealing the
    catalytic ingredients palladium tetrafloride?

    Palladium Tetrafloride


    • Kim

      I Posted this Question to Andrea Rossi’s
      Journal. 4/22/13 at 11:10 Tucson,az Time.


    • Palladium Tetrafloride does not sound very cheap…

  • artefact

    remember Defkalion revealing in the presentation at ni-week and in one of their pictures (presentation board) Sulfur Hexaflourid.

    Flourid could be very usefull for LENR+

  • GreenWin

    The electrochem Pd/D cells have yet to deliver high heat. Can this chemistry make for better control or replication?

    • Warthog

      Well, with an electrochemical cell, it is a bit difficult to get “high heat”, as water (even with a heavy load of dissolvoed electrolytes), boils around 100C. Nonetheless, Brillouin has developed a high-pressure electrolysis cell which DOES deliver “high heat”. But they have, like many others, moved away from electrolysis-based cells to gas-loaded.

  • Omega Z

    Passerini speak in tongues 🙂

    I’ve noticed some Italians speak a combination of poetry & philosophy in their dialogs & if your not up to speed, in becomes very confusing very fast.->(Cobraf)It also tends to spill into regular conversations.

  • lenrdawn

    Did you also notice that Passerini spelled backwards means iniressaP?

  • Veblin

    April 22nd, 2013 at 3:54 PM
    Dear Dott. Rossi,

    Things are quiet and I’m getting bored..why don’t you get us something to chew on, like a picture of the soon to be shipped 1MW plant.

    With best regards,


    Andrea Rossi
    April 22nd, 2013 at 4:53 PM
    Dear Kari:
    he,he,he…OK, we will publish the photos of the delivery we will make on the 30st of April, all right?
    Warm Regards,

    • Kim

      Thank You. It was getting pretty dismal.


      Andrea Rossi


      • daniel maris

        Great news. I want to see more of that: photos, movies, real time webcams etc. What they used to call “confidence building measures in the Cold War.

  • LCD

    Okay so I did a little digging. Found something that maybe is interesting. Here is DGT’s paper.


    Read section B.

    They claim that Nickel in it’s native crystal form (an FCC crystal) is not conducive to LENR so they “opened it up” and made it a rutile structure. However elemental metals cannot (AFAIK) form rutile structures by themselves. This paper says nothing about other atoms (if there are any)in the crystal.

    So if DGT actually made pure rutile Ni then they should patent the method just to form a purely rutile Ni structure, cause it would be newsworthy. Maybe more likely they have other atoms in there.

    Well NiF2 is a rutile structure

    so is PdF2

    and I’m not sure about PdF4 but it looks close to rutile.

    So maybe DGT is in on it as well and it’s not really pure Ni powder but NiF2 being used by Rossi and DGT.

    Just a thought.

    • D2

      Or he means PDF4 since he says PDFFFF.