New Q & A Between and Andrea Rossi

Below is a Q & A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics. The questions were submitted by Roberta De Carolis from the Italian web site and answered by Andrea Rossi :

The independent test results confirm the scientific validity of the Hot E-cat equipment. As it has been reported on the publication report, the performance has been verified successfully. But how could you explain the difference between the COP you stated in the past (11.6) and the results obtained on E-cat HT (5.6) and E-cat HT 2 (2.9)?

A. COP depends from temperature and many other factors. The Examiners also considered all the margin of errors in the worst situation against us, to be conservative at maximum. They wanted to be sure beyond any possible and reasonable doubt. For example: they wanted a wood plan to put on all the electric and electronic devices, they wanted to use their own cables of their own measurement devices, they wanted to lift and seat themselves any conponent to be sure no other cables or any kind of contact was there…combining all the margin of error against us we lost a lot of efficiency, but it is fine, since the scope of the test was not commercial, it was merely scientific: the Professors wanted to know beyond any reasonable doubt if there was an excess of energy or not

Which are the main differences between E-cat HT and E-cat HT 2? Are you agree with the explanations provided by the researchers about the difference observed in the COP values?

A. Yes, I substantially agree. The differences are described in the report

The tests are essentially based on the measurement of the incoming and the outcoming energy, so they could not prove the reaction mechanism. Why should we be sure that this is a nuclear reaction?

A. Because of the 1st principle of thermodynamic. See also the Ragone diagram

Hot E-cat is co-generation thermal-electric system, and you stated that production of electricity has been committed to Siemens AG, developing a suitable turbine to be coupled to the reactor. Could you confirm this collaboration?

A. We are under NDA

Do you believe that this important result could speed up the certification procedures for security? Could you estimate the timings?

A. No, I do not see any nexus. The certification for the industrial plants has been granted, though.

The delivery of three plants of 1 MW E-Cat in the U.S. is now official. However, in an earlier statement you mentioned customers, but now we came to know that they are industrial partners. Could you tell us if this delivery is just preliminary to the real one and when this will happen?

A. We delivered to our US Partner. He will deliver to his Customers

We know that that a US client representative attended the test. Could you tell us whether he is the client buying the plant? Could you communicate to our readers the satisfaction degree expressed by him about the testing?

A. Wrong: the test of the Indoipendent Third Party, made in March, has nothing to do with the test made by the US Partner on April 30 and May 1. The test made by the Customer has made possible for us to continue to work for the Customer. It has been better than expected, we got results better that what we has guaranteed.

  • Stefan

    Two interesting things:

    1) He mentions that the scientists used their own cabling. Although
    the translation here is a bit strange.

    2) The COP variations as of what Rossi says here is not coherent.
    Wasn’t it a new prototype in the March test which he have earlier
    confirmed for a low COP.

    Actually I’m starting to suspect that the Swedes did find a problem with say 2x in measurment error for the hot cat, and since then he have tried to bury that with boosting the tech.


    • Omega Z

      The March test was ran at substantially lower temps.

      Rossi is just giving a nod to the testers indications in the report that the Operating Temp & the Charge size are variables in the COP measurement.

      I noted when I read the report- .3 grams being the smallest charge reported that I am aware of. Previously the smallest I’d seen was 1 gram & usually 3 grams & as high as 50 grams in the past.

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        If .3 grams have been used, the COP would have been higher. They did their calculations based on 1 gram.

        Also, lower temps lead to lower COP is my understanding.

        However higher temps though leading to higher COP also leads to more instability and difficulty controlling the reaction. I find no problem in a low COP for this configuration.

    • psi

      I see very scant justification for that conclusion. There are way too many variables at this stage to reach a conclusion about the reasons for the discrepancy in number. Whether the cop is currently 2 or 200 is hardly relevant to the significance of the finding from a purely scientific point of view, regardless of how much it might effect industrial deployment of the technology.

    • Roger Bird

      I don’t think so. If they had seen a problem, they would have said so. They didn’t say so. Therefore they didn’t see a problem.

      • Winebuff


  • Pachu

    Quite short interview…

  • clovis

    Thanks, Frank.
    I was just today, thinking about these subjects, it good to get them cleared up, to some degree, what i would like to know is were they delivered, to their partner that resides in the NE of the U.S. I think that’s right, and when will our wait be over, is there a time when the partner will come out, and we know their identity.
    my guess would be when they decide to show an operating plant, doing work, somewhere in the NE of the U.S.—lol

  • Sanjeev

    A. We delivered to our US Partner. He will deliver to his Customers

    So there is a customer downstream ? This is a news.
    Earlier he said that the partner is going to sell heat using this Ecat.

    • Pachu

      He does not say what the partner deliver.

    • Yes, I wonder if the partner will be deploying the e-cat unit at a customer’s site and charging them for the heat produced.

      • Hampus

        He also said that three ecats were sold in USA. One for military and then two for whom?! Hope that we get a custumer that are open about it soon. They will get so much trouble though. I understand if they want to avoid the criticism from Krivit and other skeptics.

        • Omega Z

          We have to be careful what we assume.

          Three could be the LT 1Mw container, The 10Kw Ht-Cat & 100Kw Gas Cat for further evaluation.

          We sometimes create conflicts ourselves which others then use against you.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Yes, this is what I also understood from AR.

      • fortyniner

        That does seem to be the logical interpretation. It’s probably easier to sell heat than an unproven type of heater, and the partner will want to keep close guard on the machine, which they can only do if they own it. The main intention is probably to gain experience of the plant ‘in the field’.

        • Tappanjack

          It is probably a wholly owned subsidiary of the partner, were total control and security can be maintained while a complete evaluation can be conducted. I think a total technical and capital analysis will be initiated to provide data for the engineers and the marketing dept.

      • John De Herrera

        “charging them for the heat produced”
        Very good Frank, that could make it very INEXPENSIVE for a customer to benefit from this new technology – with much lower cost for heat (boilers), etc. If you don’t have to pay $1.5 million for a reactor, just start paying lower energy costs! jdh

    • Joseph J

      Vattenfall is selling city heat in Swedisch towns

  • E-dog


    Wow, there is so much info coming in at the moment.

    Well done Frank with keeping up with it all, and putting it in one place!
    Especially like your level headed comments too! Cheers.. Are you getting enough sleep???? …

    • E-dog

      what an ugly photo! how did that get there??? I dont actually look like that!!!.. really….

      • artefact


      • Barry

        E-dog, good to hear from you, but I was just starting to get that picture out of my head.

    • Yes, I get enough sleep, thanks — but I have been known to wake up in the middle of the night to moderate some comments 🙂

      • E-dog

        not mine I hope….

  • Kim

    Its going to be difficult as more and more people
    are hired for production to keep the partners
    name clandestine


    • freethinker

      The manufacturing of the power plants will be highly automized and not require many resources to build them. In the beginning the first plants will likely be very much manually handled, with a low output in the production, to iron out quirks.

      My thinking is, that if the partner, and its customer are satisfied with the product, the revelation of who atleast the partner is would come within a year. Maybe with some luck in the autumn. I mean, if the first plant(s) are deployed within the coming weeks, we will enter summer time during which things might be a bit slower, gearing up the plants, testing.

      Then there will be conferences. New revelations. Will trigger more interest and business for all involved. Maybe most for AR, who will maybe not be so involved.

      Come autumn, say October, the customer would have so much data, and new business starting to line up for the partner, that they will go public. For each week and each new individual who get brought into the secret, NDA or not, the risk for a leak is increasing.

      So lets forget all MaryYugo’s and krivitesque snakes, and clueless MSM journalists out there. Lets just enjoy the show.

      We are moving into revelation space.

    • Omega Z

      Secrets are easy to keep.
      The Bigger, the easier it is.

  • Tom59

    Rossis communication on his ongoing developments is fast, raw and the opposite of what a company would do (discuss what can be released, check with the lawyer, with Marketing, wait, polish, wait again, double-check, then release half of it). Very boring.
    Instead we are in the middle of the storm, can feel the excitement, changes in directions, errors, pressure etc.
    Much more exciting and more credible to me!

  • LCD

    From discovery news I just thought this was hilarious

    “Apple Computer, famously, has many patents that don’t reveal all the details of the design itself. The fact that he won’t allow certain kinds of measurements to be done is a big red flag to many scientists.”

    I’m sure that Apple’s famous “patent” or “lack of patent” battles with Samsung who has an identical tablet did not come into this authors mind.

    If you have the billions of dollars to fight in court I’m sure you can make all kinds of problems go away.

  • Nixter

    History will show that the tipping point for a new Cold Fusion era occurred on the day the Rossi E-Cat Report was released.

    • freethinker

      I agree. +1

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      And looking back in ten years, we can say that we here were the first visionaries that saw it!

      Sadly no one will remember us, only Rossi will be remembered. (can live with that though :))

      • Roger Bird

        Well, can you really imagine a high school named “Zeddicus Zul Zorander High School”? (:->)

        Nope, this is a thankless joy ride. Only the ride is joyful, accolades from others probably won’t go past our immediate contacts, if that.

        • Timar

          Don’t forget that he wrote the play “Waiting for the E-Cat” which will save him a role in history as the first author to haven written about that subject 🙂

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            I will retract that piece should we still be waiting for the e-cat in ten years though…

          • Roger Bird

            LOL. Me too.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          Well, there should be a school with that name! I could live with that 🙂

          The ride is indeed joyful. Seeing history being made is fantastic, something I will remember for a long time.

          • Roger Bird

            This is amazing, and my son can tell his grandchildren that I saw it being born, that I was “there” when it happened, that I predicted the future better than any hifalutin “futurist”.

          • Barry

            True thing ZZZ. This is our Theory of Relativity. I doubt there will ever be another technology in our lifetime that will possess us as much as CF has. (Talking for the over 50 group.)

          • Timar

            I don’t think there has been any technology of this significance since the invention of the wheel and probably there won’t be another for an equally long period of time.

            That should excuse our obsession and self-imposed social isolation. 😉

          • Timar

            “No, I can’t come to the fireplace yet, I have to study those independent cave paintings which actually seem to suggest that Rugh’uhs »wheel« really turns around its own axis… don't you understand!? There won't be a bigger invention in human history until the advent of Cold Fusion!"

          • I’m cautious about that kind of thinking. I wouldn’t be surprised to see equally amazing things come along — in fact I expect them them to. Of course anything of a similar magnitude will be covered here.

          • Timar

            I think this is a very singular technological advance. However, I see that technological progress speeds up exponentially so it probably won’t take another 20,000 years for a similar significant invention to occur.

          • Roger Bird

            The wheel is about 3000 years old. They did not have the wheel for building the pyramids, circa 2400 B.C. They did have the wheel for fighting various battles in 1000 B.C. Egypt.

          • Timar

            I guess it depends what one accepts as “wheel” – at least they used rolling tree trunks for the construction of the pyramids. But you are right of course, 20,000 years is probably way too early. It had to fit my little story, though 😉

          • Barry

            You must be younger than a lot of us Frank. Some of these Ecat people almost caught the coming out of the wheel.

          • Roger Bird

            I missed the ultimate demo of fission by 3 months and 7 days.

      • zero

        If this comes to pass and the e-cat is released to the public, this site should become a museum to the study of human reactions to paradigm shifts. How even science in all the goodness that comes from it is still subject to censorship and personal vendettas, the ethics behind a government knowing about world shaking new resources without informing its tax payers, and how the the mainstream media fails to do its one job (still waiting on the Associated Press report from October), among many other things.

        I say we will far from be forgotten. We will become the biggest case-study in a decade.

      • Miles

        I remember the day they announced the e-Cat, i was sitting down when I heard a breaking news announcement on TV.

        10 years from now, we’ll look back at what was all the fuss about.

        • Martin Leonard

          Let’s hope we don’t end up the next round of credit card holders to lose their cards after Assange/WikiLeaks etc.

  • Stefan

    A little off topic,

    I reread the McCubre presentation below. I just don’t get it how the
    skeptics can say that there is no indication what so ever of any nuclear reaction in LENR. How do they reason about what he presents and have done?
    does anybody know?, i’m really curious.

    • Sanjeev

      I have never seen a skeptic who says there is no indication of lenr and such and such experiment conclusively explains all anomalies. Instead all I see is brainless opinions, agendas, denials and text book thumping.

      This is the greatest thing favoring lenr, there is no serious criticism.

      • Timar

        Indeed. It was the very moment when I saw that presentation by McKubre on YouTube back in 2011 when I became absolutely convinced of the reality of cold fusion/LENR. It also caused quite a cognitive dissonance for me at that time: how could the skeptics have ignored all of this evidence? Today I know how, just like Sanjeev.

        • Roger Bird

          Timar, Mike McKubre was absolutely, positively the turning point for me. Before that I was still trying to read Rossi’s body language, a method not without any merit, but McKubre’s presentation is much better.

          • Fibb

            McKubre did it for me way back in 1993-4 when I first saw “Too Close to the Sun” a BBC/CBC documentary that he was featured in. He blew my mind.

          • Roger Bird

            Of course it doesn’t hurt that he is very handsome and distinguished looking with his shockingly white hair and beard. (:->)

            And you knew of him back then in ’94. I am impressed. I guess I am just a johnny-come-lately, or one of the Rossi inspired new-comers. (:->)

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            Mike McKubre for me also, then lots of research on the internet and finally Edmund Storms. The latter explains things very well and it turned me into a firm believer of LENR.

          • Timar

            It’s thrilling that Storms recently appeared on vortex-l and is now actively participating there – makes that list all the more worthwhile to follow.

        • AlainCo

          In 1992-93, before the web, I found an archive on internet about cold fusion articles (dunno why I land there, I was tech-watching in IT). I read a pile of a thousand pages of abstract and articles on Cold fusion. positive, negative, critics, answers…

          I get convinced that there was something to test, clearly not fraud , nor artifact…
          Cowardly I imagine it was either nuclear or really innovative chemical…
          It was my position until Nov 2011.
          Mizuno, CR39, Rossi, experiments did not convince me more, because I was not invested enough…
          In Nov 2011, discussing with Defkalion engineers, make me sure it was real. I followed many discussion, articles, critics, answers. At the beginning of 2012 I made my coming-out on linked-in, because the evidences were clear and I could take the risk safely to participate the gold-rush.

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        I agree Sanjeev. Almost all critics either go on about the standard model and Huizinga’s three miracles. Others go on about hidden wires or just make foolish comments that clearly indicate they did not read anything serious about LENR or worse, simply have no scientific understanding at all.

        Taking a stand against popular group opinion takes bravery and intelligence. To trust your own mind and make up your own opinion in the case of LENR makes us, LENR believers, a minority. Although we all know something is going on with LENR and most probably Rossi has something, the world in general has not seen it yet.

        I don’t care if people don’t care about LENR but I do care if people speak out against LENR with plain rubbish arguments. It seems the internet is littered with them.

        Sometimes I suspect not everybody is intelligent enough to understand that something new and incredibly exiting has been discovered. It’s potential is so great that even the biggest skeptic should give it the benefit of the doubt and support more research.

        Rossi’s way is the right way. Products on the market will speak for itself. Then even the biggest skeptic can deny LENR no longer, unless that skeptic also believes the earth is flat 🙂

        • Roger Bird

          “Rossi’s way is the right way. Products on the market will speak for itself.” But some Marxists and other Utopians in this forum want to do away with the free market and capitalism. Can you imagine how long it would take for the E-Cat to be developed if we didn’t have some form of free market and some bureaucrat decided that it was bunk and decided to bury it, perhaps even along with Rossi.

          This comment should be an intellectual paradigm shifter for all those here who think that Communism or even bigger government is the way to go.

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            Yep, free market does give the individual the possibility to develop a reactor like Rossi’s.

            And even in this free market CF research was almost killed, so I don’t think it would have been possible to develop in a communist country because I suspect no such government would have taken it seriously.

            You don’t hear me saying capitalism is the best thing since sliced bread though. Theoretically communism had it good points too, e.g.:
            -No discrimination because of money or class
            -No business leaders that get greedy and make an economy fail in their wake
            -No unnecessary spending or a wasting of excess money

            Just saying that all political systems have problems and a tendency to get extreme which is ultimately not good for the individuals in such a society.

          • Iggy Dalrymple

            Communism didn’t work in Jamestown, Russia, Cuba, or China.

            One night in December 1978, Guan Youjiang and 17 other farmers from Xiaogang Village broke the law by signing a secret agreement to divide the land of the local People’s Commune into family plots. They agreed to continue to deliver existing quotas of grain to the government and the commune, and keep any surplus for themselves.

            This was the beginning of the story of Xiaogang Village in east China’s Anhui Province.

            A model for China’s early reform

            At the time, Xiaogang was notorious locally as a place where people would sell off their possessions to buy food and other necessities, and had to borrow money to buy seed for planting. Residents tended collectively owned fields in exchange for “work points” that could be redeemed for food. But the commune was never able to grow enough. In the bad years, people starved. 1978 was a very bad year.

            Guan told that some families were so hungry they boiled poplar leaves and ate them with salt. Others ground roasted tree bark into powder to use as flour.

            “I used to roam the countryside begging,” said Guan, a tanned man who left school at the age of 12. “Everybody was dying of hunger. The village population was only 120 before 1958 and 67 villagers died of hunger between 1958 and 1960. In Fengyang County (where Xiaogang is located), a quarter of the population died – 90,000 in all.”

            On the night of December 1978, all 18 of Xiaogang’s households met after dark in the biggest house in the village. After a short discussion, they signed or put their thumbprints on a 79-character document agreeing to divide the commune’s land into family plots.

            According to the village committee, grain output increased to 90,000 kilograms in 1979, six times as much as the previous year. The per capita income of Xiaogang climbed from 22 yuan to 400 yuan.

            When President Hu Jintao last September put forward a new plan for land reform, in which farmers would be allowed to lease their land for cash, he went to Xiaogang to promote the new policy. Once again, practice preceded theory – Guan had already leased his 0.6 hectares of farmland to a flower planting company from Henan Province for an annual rent of 5,000 yuan (US$625).

          • Jim

            “…communism had it’s good points…”

            The problem isn’t necessarily communism. The problem is that all its implementation attempts have involved Homo Sapiens v1.0.

            Unfortunately, the release date for the upgrade on that technology is somewhat more uncertain than for the e-Cat.

          • Martin Leonard


          • Roger Bird

            The government was 100% the result of Communism. Communism came first. So any fault of the government is the result of Communism. And considering that no government ever created by Communism in the history of the world has been anything close to successful (and much worse: North Korea), Communism is most certainly the problem. The Soviet government was run along Communist lines and the linga franca of the government was Communism. A Politburo member couldn’t open his mouth is Communist garbage didn’t come out.

          • evleer

            I disagree. In cold war Russia, the military would have been very interested in the potential of LENR. Education was good and their scientist and engineers were just as capable of creating advanced weaponry as their capitalist counterparts in the West. LENR technology, with its potential to power a submarine for 6 months non-stop, without the down-sides of a fission reactor (remember the Kursk), would certainly catch the attention of some high-level party members, and receive the fundings to develop.

          • AlainCo

            The history of the russian spy Farewell remind us deep dysfunction of Soviet research (it is no better today – problem with gov, not with ideology)

            In fact KGB more than strategic spying was pumping all technology (like moped engine) from the west.
            Thei researchers get furious because their (quite good ) techology was ignored instead of the one stollen.

            Farewell affair killed tha pump and accelerated the collapse of the system.

            today the country is so much focused on oil that it works on nothing really innovative.

            The vision of nassim Nicholas Taleb is that planning research is like planning the hunt of blackswan…

            The more you plan, the less you find blackswan.
            Trial and error is the best way to make research, and the greed of private research make those researchers able to recognized a blackswan.
            academic or planned research very often reject blackswan because their don’t match what is expected…

            Motivation is important… greed is a kind of motivation. megalomania, hubris, despair, fear for your life, maybe also be a good motive.

            Guess why poor countries are creative, when they can afford the tools, and have the competence…

            You should really read “Antifragile”. bloody for our education and prejudices.

          • Timar

            I agree. But that’s where government steps in. Greed can both be a productive and destructive force. Government has to establish firm rules and social balances to push it to the productive side of the spectrum. With libertarian anti-governmental ideology, it deflects to the destructive side of the spectrum, opening the gates to the exploitation of labour and nature. With communist ideology it becomes extinguished – the classic case of throwing the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to find an ever evolving balance between equality and plurality, ecology and economy.

  • Adam Lepczak

    Dear friends,
    Reading most recent comments by A.R. on his blog, I “could” almost tell that he is hinting an imminent announcement by his US Partner. He used the same wording when describing the upcoming 3rd party test – which materialized fairly quickly.
    “…but our Partner will decide when to make a press conference and his choice does not depend on me.”

    • Omega Z


      I noted that as well, but wait for further hints as to the timing.

      Rossi teases us like the Mouse teases the Cat.

      • Adam Lepczak

        I think he knows his tech works and he is fed up with people constantly suggesting he is a fraud.

        If you have a fully functional battleship, you might as well use it to your advantage, right?

        • Omega Z

          The Opening Salvo will not come before they are within range.
          The Partner will determine this.

          • Joe Shea

            They have a cost they have to amortize to satisfy their shareholders/owners, so they cannot wait long…

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          Doesn’t really guarantee success though:

          • Adam Lepczak

            Not quite, the Bismark almost slipped out AND it destroyed the HMS Hood. Not so bad of a balance for the German Navy.

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            It was a really nasty piece of warfare, but it still didn’t achieve it’s goal seeing it was sunk so early in the war. It’s possible the e-cat is also in early skirmish with the establishment 🙂

    • Deleo77

      And again, it doesn’t fall within the logic of someone trying to see how long they can maintain a hoax. By saying he has delivered the e-cats, Rossi (for lack of a better phrase), is just giving himself a shorter rope to hang himself with. He could give more ambiguous statements about future events that never quite get here, but by going in the past tense with the deliveries already having happened, he is raising the stakes on himself. If 3 or 4 months come to pass, with no word from the U.S. partner, Rossi will lose credibility in my opinion. I also wouldn’t say he is stating they were delivered under any immense pressure. He seems kind of relaxed about how things are playing out. He has created a ticking clock with his own statements.
      If he is a fraud, it wouldn’t be the wisest thing to do.

      • Omega Z

        I see 1 caveat.

        If I have a working product & have delivered it into the hands of my Partner- I would only have 1 concern. To Start the income flow to offset the Income expenditures. 2 months or 12 months doesn’t matter as long as the circle is completed as planned.

        Detractors opinions will no longer matter in the grand plan, Other then that, They will bury themselves deeper. Or Hang themselves with that Rope.

        I believe Rossi has a tough skin & if the circle is closing, He can easily whether his detractors Opinions till the circle is complete.

      • BillyGiuseppe Rosencrantz

        If I were a buyer of Rossi’s products, I wouldn’t necessarily feel compelled to announce my actions in 3 or 4 months, or ever for that matter.

        When Harold Hamm discovered the secret of fracking in the Bakken field he didn’t announce his discovery in 3 or 4 months. No, he got busy signing leases on 100s of thousands of acres.

        • elasticbucket

          Tell me; Did Harold Hamm reveal to all and sundry his secret process to give “interlopers” a fair and square deal to a level playing field? And was he in an all fired hurry to exhibit his discovery?

    • daniel maris

      Well you were the first to bring the 3rd Party Test report here if I remember rightly, so you must have your ear close to the ground. Let’s hope your prediction is spot on Adam!

  • Roger Bird

    In a fight, one combatant has a machine pistol, one has a sharp knife, and one has a big mouth, which one is going to win? Rossi has the machine pistol (E-Cats), the hot-fusionists have a sharp knife (theory), and the patho-skeptics have the big mouths (big mouths). Which one is going to win? Even if the guys with the knives and the guys with the big mouths delay the roll-out and the funding.

    • Timar

      I guess not only the pathoskeptics have a big mouth, otherwise it would be rather silent in this place. The real difference though is in the amount of grey matter behind the big mouth 😉

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    “For example: they wanted a wood plan to put on all the electric and electronic devices, they wanted to use their own cables of their own measurement devices, they wanted to lift and seat themselves any conponent to be sure no other cables or any kind of contact was there”

    If the above is true and the test team did really do this, than the hidden cable theory is thereby disproved.

    • Timar

      It is quite incomprehensible though, why that hasn’t been mentioned in the report. It would haven taken much wind out of the Skeptics’ sails. Wait… maybe they *intentionally* left some room for doubt to give their most annoying colleagues (e.g. Ekström) an incentive for coming out with their criticism and thus ultimately making fools of themselves. That’s probably also why Essén said: “No I didn’t think of that”, when asked about the DC. Nasty boy! 😉

      • Warthog

        Because the report is written by scientists for scientists, and not for followers of James Randi. It “might” be a good idea for Levi and Essen (as members of “skeptics societies”) to write a SEPARATE report detailing all of the non-science factors taken into consideration and checked for. A lot of this info is coming out in the interviews, but it would be good to have a formal document summarizing all of it.

        • Timar

          Formally this is true, yet practically it is as far from any ordinary scientific report as one could imagine. The authors must have known about the amount of skepticism that their report would provoke, especially as Levi and Essén have been engaged in this story for a while.

  • Roger Bird

    So, I just remembered seeing today that Obama was thinking about privatizing the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). I thought at the time when I first saw it how nice it was that Obama actually got something right. Then suddenly, while focused on a show I was watching, I connected the dots. If Obama is doing something so dramatically opposite to his nature, there must be a good reason. It is not like he is some kind of big fan of small government. If any president has ever LIKED big government, as opposed to allowing it to happen without intent, it is Obama. Yet he is trying to unload the TVA. Why would he be doing such a thing against his basic political nature? He is doing it because of the coming Distributed Energy Resources trend. And the article describing this move was earlier today. I think that it is not outside of the possible that LENR/E-Cat is a part of his thinking or the thinking of some of his subordinates. It has been 2 weeks. Surely not everyone is hung up on all of the nonsense that the skeptics throw up to cloud the issue.

    • GreenWin

      Roger you may not be far off. The Edison Inst. Report on DERs has put the fear of LENR/CHP/PV into the utilities. So much so they have started to panic as it becomes clear that the old grid is about to become a stranded asset. Perhaps bigger than the oil field stranded assets. So of course a group of smart people have written a Report. But this one will not likely draw accusations of fraud.

      What is all boils down to is, how do the utilities handle the disruptive growth of DERs. Because DERs (district E-Cat HT for example) will cause customers to disconnect. Or just use the grid for a backup service. Utilities may very well go the way of the old ice delivery business. BK.

      • Jim

        “ice delivery business”


  • Roger Bird

    The EEStor story sounds kind of depressing to me. I hope Rossi doesn’t turn out to be as much of a delayer. Zenn is struggling thanks to EEStor’s delays. It is as though EEStor is promising more than it can deliver, and Zenn is paying for it, literally and figuratively.

    EEStor’s technological breakthrough can’t compare to Rossi’s but, it is still significant if it is real. Considering all of the parameters, I doubt EEStor right now. I don’t doubt Rossi.

    • Fibb

      there are a lot of unhappy EEstor/zmc fans today. but EEstor might prevail and rather soon.

  • Chris I

    Gotta just love his reply about Siemens AG:

    “We are under NDA.”

    The most spontaneous question is: NDA with whom? (LOL, if not with Siemens AG…)