Brazilian Company Building Claimed 'Gravity Engine' [Updated]

There’s not too much news in the world of LENR right now, so I thought I’d change subjects a little, and mention what I can only call a curiosity at the moment. There’s a company in Brazil called RAR Energia that has been building a massive device in a facility in Porte Alegra over the last year or two that they say is an engine powered by gravity.

Since there have been plenty of ‘gravity engines’ that have been invented over the years, and none of them ever proven to work, I wouldn’t give this much of a second thought — except for the fact that the company has released many pictures of this giant object in different stages of development — and it is obvious that there has to be a good deal of money behind it. Here’s one of many pictures that can be found on RAR Energia’s web site:

Gravity Engine

RAR Energia appears to be some kind of subsidiary of a Brazilian-founded soybean processing company called Incobrasa, which now is headquartered in Gilman, Illinois, USA. The RAR Energia site says that a demonstration engine will be built and operated at the Gilman site this year — and pictures show that construction is underway there.

There is no evidence provided at all that this motor works — but I am quite curious why someone would go to so much work to make something so massive and complex without having some reason to believe there was some value to it. The company’s web site states:

We have a small machine for experience and testing in our headquarter at Av. Pedro Ivo,933. The mechanic system was created under a special conception, to pick up and take the energy contained in the planet gravity, at any moment and place, without pollution or heat. Technology was completely developed by our Company and consists
in a continuos movement with some extra energy that can be taken, in a continuous and perpetual mechanic movement. This equipment is similar to a combustion engine, where a set of wheights represent the fuel and pistons that activate assemblies connected to a crankshaft. Another similar equipment will be built in the U.S.A. at the Incobrasa
Industries Ltd plant, a Company of the group, located in Gilman, IL. Both equipment are demonstration models with capacity to generate 30 KW, and will be ready in the middle of the next year. The technique allows the building of great power generators

Anyway, I just thought I’d throw this out there for people to puzzle over along with me. I am not too far from Illinois, so if they ever do announce a completed engine there, and they say they have it running — I might be tempted to make a visit.

UPDATE:

Here’s a link to a number of patents filed by Renato Bastos Ribeiro,the inventor of this engine — which suggests that he has some inventing and engineering background:

http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Renato_Bastos_Ribeiro_1.html

  • Barry

    Found this vid of the gravity engine. Don’t know what to think. Your right Frank, if this is a hoax it sure is one hunk of iron. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae8lqef1Q3g

    • Blanco69

      Yes, it sure is big. It’s size implies that they believe their model is scalable. The problem with the falling weight theory is that it requires the same amount of work to get the weight back up to the starting position. When you add in the friction, heat and sound energy conversions you end up with a net negative. Unless they adding some new magneto gravity defying process based on theories like Frank Znidarsic’s I can’t conceive of where the excess energy could come from. My favourite gravity based machine is Wayne Travis’ Zed device at http://hydroenergyrevolution.com. Somehow, using a buoyancy effect to help the upstroke seems a bit more plausible.

      • Rob Lewis

        In a brief visit to the ZED site, I smelled religion. True? That pretty much rules it out in my book.
        Unless the gravity engine folks can explain where this energy is supposedly coming from, then they are asserting the conservation of energy is violated; a tough proposition IMO. Or maybe they’re converting vacuum energy to gravity?
        I give this a 0.0001 probability of being valid.

        • Daniel Maris

          What about that patent of his:

          “The present disclosure relates to an apparatus and associated methods
          for generating energy by capturing and taking benefit of the energy
          generated by any quantity of air surfacing inside water. In exemplary
          embodiments, the apparatus comprises compressing a lower density gas in a
          liquid medium, “… …

          Could it be to do with compressing gas in liquid…does the gas somehow obtain energy from molecular tension in the water as it rises creating a net energy gain?

          • Rob Lewis

            RIIIIIIIGHT.

            If this works, I’ll eat my tinfoil hat.

  • Barry

    Found this vid of the gravity engine. Don’t know what to think. Your right Frank, if this is a hoax it sure is one hunk of iron. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae8lqef1Q3g

    • Blanco69

      Yes, it sure is big. It’s size implies that they believe their model is scalable. The problem with the falling weight theory is that it requires the same amount of work to get the weight back up to the starting position. When you add in the friction, heat and sound energy conversions you end up with a net negative. Unless they adding some new magneto gravity defying process based on theories like Frank Znidarsic’s I can’t conceive of where the excess energy could come from. My favourite gravity based machine is Wayne Travis’ Zed device at http://hydroenergyrevolution.com. Somehow, using a buoyancy effect to help the upstroke seems a bit more plausible.

      • Rob Lewis

        In a brief visit to the ZED site, I smelled religion. True? That pretty much rules it out in my book.
        Unless the gravity engine folks can explain where this energy is supposedly coming from, then they are asserting the conservation of energy is violated; a tough proposition IMO. Or maybe they’re converting vacuum energy to gravity?
        I give this a 0.0001 probability of being valid.

  • RJH

    The massive machine generates 30KW (about 40HP)
    Or, have some zeroes been lost?

    • Fortyniner

      My guess would be that it will take at least a 30kW motor just to turn the thing over!

  • RJH

    The massive machine generates 30KW (about 40HP)
    Or, have some zeroes been lost?

    • My guess would be that it will take at least a 30kW motor just to turn the thing over!

  • Jonas

    What the..? I just hope we don’t run out of gravity now, when they start using it in massive quantities like that. 😛

    What sorcery can this be? Is it just the way the cranks are lined up and configured..? Still magic. Surely it cannot be just a matter of mechanics?

  • Jonas

    What the..? I just hope we don’t run out of gravity now, when they start using it in massive quantities like that. 😛

    What sorcery can this be? Is it just the way the cranks are lined up and configured..? Still magic. Surely it cannot be just a matter of mechanics?

  • JonnyB

    How Bizarre

  • JonnyB

    How Bizarre

  • Fortyniner

    ‘Steam punk’ lives! What an amazing contraption – it looks like something out of a Jules Verne fantasy – the engine of the ‘Nautilus’ perhaps.

    There are two sets of 8 subunits, each about 21 degrees out of phase with the next. At a guess – at least 60 tonnes of steel in there, with perhaps 15-20 tonnes involved in the motion. There seem to be at least 20 bearings per subunit, so well over 300 sets of bearing friction to overcome in addition to the inertia of the large reciprocating components. The mechanical losses during motion must be huge, and the obvious strength of the frame is a testament to the reaction forces that will need to be resisted as heavy components change their direction of motion.

    Surely every possible permutation of weights and levers must have been tried in the centuries-old search for the ‘perpetuum mobile’ and it is very difficult to imagine that some magic configuration has been overlooked. By why such as obviously expensive demonstrator would be built if it is going to take a huge electric motor just to turn it over is a complete mystery. We await further developments as usual.

  • ‘Steam punk’ lives! What an amazing contraption – it looks like something out of a Jules Verne fantasy – the engine of the ‘Nautilus’ perhaps.

    There are two sets of 8 subunits, each about 21 degrees out of phase with the next. At a guess – at least 60 tonnes of steel in there, with perhaps 15-20 tonnes involved in the motion. There seem to be at least 20 bearings per subunit, so well over 300 sets of bearing friction to overcome in addition to the inertia of the large reciprocating components. The mechanical losses during motion must be huge, and the obvious strength of the frame is a testament to the reaction forces that will need to be resisted as heavy components change their direction of motion.

    Surely every possible permutation of weights and levers must have been tried in the centuries-old search for the ‘perpetuum mobile’ and it is very difficult to imagine that some magic configuration has been overlooked. By why such as obviously expensive demonstrator would be built if it is going to take a huge electric motor just to turn it over is a complete mystery. We await further developments as usual.

  • Matt

    I guess, they just had to get rid of some money due to tax saving or something.

    • John

      This company is heavily into soybean processing – could this be something to do with soybeans where they decided to get a little publicity by claiming it is a gravity engine?

  • Matt

    I guess, they just had to get rid of some money due to tax saving or something.

    • John

      This company is heavily into soybean processing – could this be something to do with soybeans where they decided to get a little publicity by claiming it is a gravity engine?

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Maybe it’s a prank and the pictures are rendered by raytracing software.

    • Fortyniner

      Maybe. It’s difficult to be sure of anything we see in photos and videos these days.

      • GreenWin

        The art of ray tracing and volumetric holography has improved significantly. Such that even “reality” can be recreated better than this:

        http://spookspot.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/jackalope.jpg

        • Fortyniner

          So what is it makes you think the jackalope has been photoshopped, GW?

          • GreenWin

            🙂 And to think this PREceded photoshop!

    • Mr. Moho

      The machinery does look like a 3d rendering. I can’t help but feel something wrong, unnatural in every one of their “official” photos. The lighting especially.

      • Fortyniner

        I must admit that after looking at them very carefully, I am not totally convinced by the images at http://www.rarenergia.com.br/. There is something about the way that the ‘silver’ parts stand out, and the surface textures of the ‘cranks’ in particular, that doesn’t look quite real. There also seem to be instances where the overhead lights might be expected to generate highlights on the steelwork, but don’t.

        Against that though are the small touches like bits of webbing and hose scattered about the work area, and the consistancy of the distortions caused by a short-focus cameral lens, which are accurately reflected in the structure – something I would have thought would be quite tricky to carry off unless the whole scene is computer generated (however the images carry OK metadata that indicate that they were taken when stated, with a Sony DSC-WX5 digital camera, although they have been edited in Photoscape).

        Anyone with image analysis experience here?

        • Mr. Moho

          This could be of some help:

          http://fotoforensics.com

          But you have to know what to look at or anyway have experience with it. I don’t.

          • Fortyniner

            Thanks, but now I’ve had a bit of time to download the pics and to enlarge them in order to look at the fine detail, I’m 99% sure they are real. They may have been digitally enhanced in Photoscape for sharpness and/or edge discrimination, and I think this might be what gives the slight impression of cgi.

          • bitplayer

            I uploaded one of the images of the “machine” to fotoforensics. The site gives a good tutorial on what to look for. Net is it provides a visual depiction of parts of the photo that have different compression levels, i..e they were not part of a single original photo.

            You can see the analysis here:
            http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=4685127bd7fc0cd632e95a773c40a63a6a45faed.293376

            The analysis of the photo I uploaded indicated that the silver cams had a different compression level than the red beams.

          • Fortyniner

            That would be rather surprising if the whole ‘machine’ (and possibly the complete ‘assembly area’) was a CGI, as it would presumably all be rendered at the same time and with the same settings. Wouldn’t you be looking for differences between say, any part of the machine and the human figures, or the view through to the adjacent area?

          • bitplayer

            Peter,

            this may be addressed by my post further up the page that starts with “analysis of one of the…” (cntrl f to search for that; but you knew that 🙂

            /Jim (Disqus’ted)

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Maybe it’s a prank and the pictures are rendered by raytracing software.

    • Maybe. It’s difficult to be sure of anything we see in photos and videos these days.

      • GreenWin

        The art of ray tracing and volumetric holography has improved significantly. Such that even “reality” can be recreated better than this:

        http://spookspot.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/jackalope.jpg

        • So what is it makes you think the jackalope has been photoshopped, GW? It looks fine to me.

          • GreenWin

            🙂 And to think this PREceded photoshop!

  • Jonas

    Maybe it’s not at all their pictures, but from somewhere and something else?

    • Fortyniner

      Someone here posted this link to a set of fairly high resolution photos earlier, but the post seems to have disappeared. I’ve retrieved the URL from my ‘history’ (apologies, I can’t remember whose post it originally was):

      http://www.rarenergia.com.br/

      • Daniel Maris

        Thanks! What brilliant pics. I find this a really intriguing story. Why do our mainstream media never feature such interesting developments! And they’ve got that big site in the USA coming on as well.

  • Jonas

    Maybe it’s not at all their pictures, but from somewhere and something else?

    • Someone here posted this link to a set of fairly high resolution photos earlier, but the post seems to have disappeared. I’ve retrieved the URL from my ‘history’ (apologies, I can’t remember whose post it originally was):

      http://www.rarenergia.com.br/

  • orionmbeadling

    First, let me say that I am extremely skeptical of this gravity engine. I cannot reconcile in my mind how over unity energy can be achieved with the mechanics indicated in the photographs posted.

    That said, let us make the assumption that the machine depicted does in fact produce the 30KW claimed. This massive machine, running for one hour, would yield about the same amount of energy a burning 30 pounds of coal (~$1.20) or 3 gallons of oil (~$5.50). Buying 30KWh from the grid would cost about $3.60. So, for the sake of argument let, us assume the machine will yield $5 worth of energy per hour of operation. Next, let’s figure 8,000 hours of operation per year (with ~750 hours downtime for maintenance, etc.). The machine would produce $40,000 per year in energy.

    Even if we ignore the obvious cost of building this machine, it is my opinion that the cost of maintenance, upkeep, and overhead on the device (e.g.; salary of engineer/technicians, heavy machinery to conduct maintenance, floor space used) will far exceed the value of the energy produced.

    Based on this argument, it is my position that the RAR Energia gravity engine, built on the scale depicted in the released photographs, will not produce an “over unity” profit. If the device is capable of yielding over unity energy, RAR Energia would be better served to produce the device on a far smaller scale for research and/or niche markets.

    Again, I am extremely skeptical that this machine works as described, but even if it does, it would fail to yield meaningful output.

    • Daniel Maris

      I agree the costs won’t make sense, but an over unity engine would be a staggering achievement!

    • bachcole

      Amen. I like your idea of “over unity” profit.

  • orionmbeadling

    First, let me say that I am extremely skeptical of this gravity engine. I cannot reconcile in my mind how over unity energy can be achieved with the mechanics indicated in the photographs posted.

    That said, let us make the assumption that the machine depicted does in fact produce the 30KW claimed. This massive machine, running for one hour, would yield about the same amount of energy a burning 30 pounds of coal (~$1.20) or 3 gallons of oil (~$5.50). Buying 30KWh from the grid would cost about $3.60. So, for the sake of argument let, us assume the machine will yield $5 worth of energy per hour of operation. Next, let’s figure 8,000 hours of operation per year (with ~750 hours downtime for maintenance, etc.). The machine would produce $40,000 per year in energy.

    Even if we ignore the obvious cost of building this machine, it is my opinion that the cost of maintenance, upkeep, and overhead on the device (e.g.; salary of engineer/technicians, heavy machinery to conduct maintenance, floor space used) will far exceed the value of the energy produced.

    Based on this argument, it is my position that the RAR Energia gravity engine, built on the scale depicted in the released photographs, will not produce an “over unity” profit. If the device is capable of yielding over unity energy, RAR Energia would be better served to produce the device on a far smaller scale for research and/or niche markets.

    Again, I am extremely skeptical that this machine works as described, but even if it does, it would fail to yield meaningful output.

    • Roger Bird

      Amen. I like your idea of “over unity” profit.

  • Adam Lepczak

    I wont say anything. This is their money and their effort. They can do whatever they want with them!

  • Adam Lepczak

    I wont say anything. This is their money and their effort. They can do whatever they want with them!

  • Daniel Maris

    Wow, thanks – this is really interesting. I’ve never ruled out gravity engines.

  • Stranno

    They have delivered a great effort so far. I assume they have made an model on smaller scale first. would anyone of us build such a large machine without testing it first? Who is prepared to spend so much money without knowing what the outcome will be? I give it the benefit of the doubt.
    Stranno

  • Stranno

    They have delivered a great effort so far. I assume they have made an model on smaller scale first. would anyone of us build such a large machine without testing it first? Who is prepared to spend so much money without knowing what the outcome will be? I give it the benefit of the doubt.
    Stranno

  • artefact

    ColdFusionNow:

    ICCF-18 Presentation Videos for Monday, July 22

    http://coldfusionnow.org/iccf-18-presentation-videos-monday-july-22/

    Dr. Edmund Storms
    Dr. Jean-Paul Biberian
    Jed Rothwell
    Dr. Vladimir Vysotskii
    Dr. Mark Prelas
    Keith Fredericks
    Dr. Yasuhiro Iwamura
    Matt McConnell (Coolescence)
    Dr. Mitchell Swartz (JET Energy)
    Tyler van Houwelingen and Bob Greenyer (Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project)
    Nicholas Chauvin (LENR Cars)
    Dr. Max Fomitchev-Zamilov (Quantum Potential Corp)

  • artefact

    ColdFusionNow:

    ICCF-18 Presentation Videos for Monday, July 22

    http://coldfusionnow.org/iccf-18-presentation-videos-monday-july-22/

    Dr. Edmund Storms
    Dr. Jean-Paul Biberian
    Jed Rothwell
    Dr. Vladimir Vysotskii
    Dr. Mark Prelas
    Keith Fredericks
    Dr. Yasuhiro Iwamura
    Matt McConnell (Coolescence)
    Dr. Mitchell Swartz (JET Energy)
    Tyler van Houwelingen and Bob Greenyer (Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project)
    Nicholas Chauvin (LENR Cars)
    Dr. Max Fomitchev-Zamilov (Quantum Potential Corp)

  • parallelB
  • AdrianAshfield
  • Zedshort

    Either there is truly something new under the Sun or this is proof positive that there is still an ample supply of people with shallow brains and deep pockets.

  • Zedshort

    Either there is truly something new under the Sun or this is proof positive that there is still an ample supply of people with shallow brains and deep pockets.

  • artefact

    New LENR patent:

    Low energy nuclear device CA 2772463 A1

    http://www.google.com/patents/CA2772463A1?cl=en

    Thanks to pagnuco on Vortex

    “.. An apparatus producing usable thermal energy from the nuclear fusion
    of heated nickel and hydrogen incorporating a catalyzing element or
    compound consisting of one or more of the following elements: potassium,
    lithium, titanium or palladium.”

    • Fortyniner

      On the face of it, this looks like another detail-free set of generalities based on information provided by Rossi and taken from forum suggestions, trying to claim a bit of the action without contributing anything except a few untested ideas. Most of the suggested ‘improvements’ such as improved core replacement geometry and electronic control systems have probably long since been implemented by Rossi et al.

  • artefact

    New LENR patent:

    Low energy nuclear device CA 2772463 A1

    http://www.google.com/patents/CA2772463A1?cl=en

    Thanks to pagnuco on Vortex

    “.. An apparatus producing usable thermal energy from the nuclear fusion
    of heated nickel and hydrogen incorporating a catalyzing element or
    compound consisting of one or more of the following elements: potassium,
    lithium, titanium or palladium.”

    • On the face of it, this looks like another detail-free set of generalities based on information provided by Rossi and taken from forum suggestions, trying to claim a bit of the action without contributing anything except a few untested ideas. Most of the suggested ‘improvements’ such as improved core replacement geometry and electronic control systems have probably long since been implemented by Rossi et al.

  • bitplayer

    Not too many industrial sites in Gilman IL

    https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m4!1m3!1d30373!2d-87.9934179!3d40.7587364!2m1!1e3&fid=7

    to put this:

    http://www.rarenergia.com.br/imagem01b.JPG

    Of course I’m not a satellite image analyst. Maybe they meant Ornaga, just down the road.

    • Daniel Maris

      Aren’t Google maps always a few years out of date?

      • bitplayer

        Or check Google Earth’s photos from May 2012. Do the buildings in the background look like they have been there less than a year? Do you see anything in the map of the town that resembles this combination of road, field, and building site?

        Or, maybe the aliens moved the building site when the satellite photos were taken…you have to admit, it’s possible…

  • Frank Acland

    Here’s a link to the plant in Gilman, Illinois on Google maps. It doesn’t look like the construction site is on here: https://www.google.com/maps?authuser=0&dg=optperm

    A picture of the construction site on RAR Energia’s site:

    http://www.rarenergia.com.br/imagem01be.JPG

  • AlainCo

    I won’t bet a cent on this technology, but if Elforsk validate it… why not…
    LENR in hydride is very different from many free energy in the sense that it is validated by many scientific-grade experiments…

    • bachcole

      If it is supposedly free energy, I don’t care if Elforsk validated it. Why not? Because you can’t get something for nothing, at least not in this world.

      • AlainCo

        World is not moral. There is no law in physics, just regularities that we observe. If something is validated by someone serious, it deserve at least to look at it…

        If it challenge other regularities, we can expecrt a mistake, but sure “morality of energy” is not an argument.

        We should not redo the errors of the past. It may look free energy, but it may also be something wo don’t imagine…

        if it works, it works. point.

        and if it does not respect the laws of physics, the laws of morality, the law of common sense, we have to rewrite those laws.

        anyway like on LENR I estimate that no law will be broken. that LENR is good old quantum physics, that this machine does not work, and that Elforsk will not validate it, unlike e-cat…

        see http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/293wikipedia.html

        dont fall into “==Explicit rejection of the experimental method==”

        “”It would not matter to me if a thousand other investigations were to subsequently perform experiments that see excess heat. These results may all be correct, but it would be an insult to these investigators to connect them with Pons and Fleischmann. . . . Putting the ‘Cold Fusion’ issue on the same page with Wien, Rayleigh-Jeans, Davison Germer, Einstein, and Planck is analogous to comparing a Dick Tracy comic book story with the Bible.” [7]”

        laws are only element to make rational guess about what can happen.If it does not happen as expected, blame the law not the facts.

  • I won’t bet a cent on this technology, but if Elforsk validate it… why not…
    LENR in hydride is very different from many free energy in the sense that it is validated by many scientific-grade experiments…

    • Roger Bird

      If it is supposedly free energy, I don’t care if Elforsk validated it. Why not? Because you can’t get something for nothing, at least not in this world.

      • World is not moral. There is no law in physics, just regularities that we observe. If something is validated by someone serious, it deserve at least to look at it…

        If it challenge other regularities, we can expecrt a mistake, but sure “morality of energy” is not an argument.

        We should not redo the errors of the past. It may look free energy, but it may also be something wo don’t imagine…

        if it works, it works. point.

        and if it does not respect the laws of physics, the laws of morality, the law of common sense, we have to rewrite those laws.

        anyway like on LENR I estimate that no law will be broken. that LENR is good old quantum physics, that this machine does not work, and that Elforsk will not validate it, unlike e-cat…

        see http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/293wikipedia.html

        dont fall into “==Explicit rejection of the experimental method==”

        “”It would not matter to me if a thousand other investigations were to subsequently perform experiments that see excess heat. These results may all be correct, but it would be an insult to these investigators to connect them with Pons and Fleischmann. . . . Putting the ‘Cold Fusion’ issue on the same page with Wien, Rayleigh-Jeans, Davison Germer, Einstein, and Planck is analogous to comparing a Dick Tracy comic book story with the Bible.” [7]”

        laws are only element to make rational guess about what can happen.If it does not happen as expected, blame the law not the facts.

  • Bento

    These photo’s are fake! It’s a laugh.
    I can’t believe anyone here is taking this serious 🙁

    • Roger Bird

      I haven’t seen anyone yet who does take it seriously.

  • Matt

    Faking so many photos in such realistic quality would almost be as cost, time an labour intensive as building the actual machine.

    • Mr. Moho

      Modern 3d CG tools are more powerful than you think. With some expertise, compositing a 3d render on a photo or even a video and making it looking believable is not a labour intensive process as it would seem to untrained people, especially if money is involved and it’s not just an elaborate joke. Look here for example:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVPcT0dJmoY

      Watch the first few seconds, then jump at minute 00:49
      This with open source, free tools (Blender 3D).

      • bitplayer

        Brilliant! A revelation. Worth this entire blog topic.

  • Matt

    Faking so many photos in such realistic quality would almost be as cost, time an labour intensive as building the actual machine.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Looks like, with slight modifications, it could walk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSKyHmjyrkA

    • Daniel Maris

      Never seen that machine before! Fantastic video!!

      • londo

        Beyond stupid.

        • clever boy

          Beyond stupid. but “Eppur si muove”!!!!

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Looks like, with slight modifications, it could walk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSKyHmjyrkA

  • Roger Bird

    I have absolutely, positively no faith whatsoever in this gravity machine or any other free energy device. And it is nice that it seems that NO ONE here is the least bit non-skeptical. It reassures me that we haven’t all lost our minds concerning LENR and LENR+.

  • bitplayer

    analysis of one of the “photos” of the “machine”:

    http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=4685127bd7fc0cd632e95a773c40a63a6a45faed.293376

    tutorial on how to read the analysis:

    http://fotoforensics.com/sample-ela.php

    • Daniel Maris

      Well if you’ve read the tutorial, what’s the answer? 🙂

      • bitplayer

        Best I can tell from translating English into function, the coloration of the funny “ELA” image provides clues to how much the image has been modified.

        The fact that the ELA image has several distinct visual regions (floor/wall, red beams, silver cams) all with different levels of black, white and color patterns, indicates (from my interpretation of the fotoforensics tutorial) that they did not originate from the same source photo.

        These regions (at least to me) to correspond to what appear to be separate elements in the normal visual view.

        Which aligns with the earliest posted comments about photo quality.

        • Mr. Moho

          The USA factory location photo seems heavily modified too, for what I can understand.

  • Daniel Maris

    Looking at this other patent from the inventor:

    “The present disclosure relates to an apparatus and associated methods
    for generating energy by capturing and taking benefit of the energy
    generated by any quantity of air surfacing inside water. In exemplary
    embodiments, the apparatus comprises compressing a lower density gas in a
    liquid medium, “… …

    Might it not be the case that with compression of gas in a liquid, the gas, when it expands, somehow captures energy from the molecular tension in the water? Is that such an outlandish idea?

    So might this machine involve such compression?

  • Christina

    If Mr. Rossi & Co. couldn’t get a patent for the lenr way back when (1,000 years ago in lenr-development time proportions) and he has basically the same product, but has added additional elements, perhaps the U.S. Patent office can be sued to take his later patent as his first because they didn’t understand the cold fusion. Just saying, I’m not a lawyer, but have minimally worked in law.

    I’d hate to see him lose if he is truly at the stage he is saying he’s at because the patent office personnel are perhaps undereducated in physics and are accepting later applications because of the sudden “glut” of lenr products applications.

    I believe Mr. Rossi and yet I don’t because it’s just too good to be true that many of the world’s problems can be solved. However, if he’s got what he says he has with a system for putting it factories in place everywhere, I’d sure hate for him to miss out because the patent office didn’t believe him and now others who invented lenr devises later are applying for and perhaps getting the patents he was refused.

    Everyone have a good day and may God bless you!

  • TPaign

    This could be a demonstration unit for some type of method which stores energy mechanically. Central Illinois harvests lots of (highly subsidized) wind energy. One of the downsides to wind energy is finding a way to store excess energy for off peak use. There is an outfit out west, maybe in Utah, which has studied using pumped water and a naturally elevated reservoir for the same purpose.

  • Omega Z
  • luca

    I suppose that after such machines will suck a proper amount of energy from the gravity of Earth people should start to free float like hot air ballons.

    Slimiest guys, like me, should be affected far more than overweight ones.
    Just now I’m sit in front to the monitor bound with seat belt.

    • Daniel Maris

      Slimiest or slimmest? LOL

      • hempenearth

        If he is slimy there will be less drag.

    • It doesn’t suck gravity. It “sucks” angular momentum, 3rd derivative energy. However with one machine operating clockwise and its partner counter clockwise the net effect on the earth will be zero so you needn’t worry about the earth speeding up or slowing down.

  • luca

    I suppose that after such machines will suck a proper amount of energy from the gravity of Earth people should start to free float like hot air ballons.

    Slimiest guys, like me, should be affected far more than overweight ones.
    Just now I’m sit in front to the monitor bound with seat belt.

    • It doesn’t suck gravity. It “sucks” angular momentum, 3rd derivative energy. However with one machine operating clockwise and its partner counter clockwise the net effect on the earth will be zero so you needn’t worry about the earth speeding up or slowing down.

  • Barry

    After looking at some of these images in Photoshop, the image at the 2:00 minute mark, the left foot of the third guy from the right (for those of you who have nothing better to do on a Saturday) looks kind of sloppy as far as a cut and paste job. I lean towards them being faked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae8lqef1Q3g
    Also why would they show all of these detailed images but not post a video of the thing running??

  • Ted-X

    The principle of conservation of energy (in the mechanical systems) is just based on observations and may not be exactly true (in spite of we are being told by the physics professors). In fact, a machine generating energy by pure mechanical means has been constructed by Bessler (about 300 years ago). It was in the time when Newton himself was alive; however, Newton declined to comment about Bessler’s invention. The trick might not be in extracting energy from the gravitational field (which is considered to be “conservative”, but in utilizing apparent contradiction between the law of preservation of momentum and the law describing kinetic energy of matter (m*v = const and 0.5*m*v^2 = const). If we could manage to transfer momentum (partly or fully) from a ball moving slower to a ball moving faster (so the slow ball would slow down or stop), a simple calculation shows that the kinetic energy would be gained. Apparently, Bessler achieved just this, using rotating weights.

    A different case would be converting of thermal energy (Brownian motions) from an ambient temperature object into mechanical energy, with the object cooling down. This was modeled using a ratchet mechanism in a modeling experiment. So the heat dissipation happens in random systems, but if the system is not random (ratchet moves only one way), than the ambient heat energy could be extracted (in my humble opinion). I am sure a lot of people will strongly disagree with me. They are all belonging to a conspiracy. 🙂

    • Chris I

      Maxwell’s demon is a hypothetical entity. It works by being omniscient. Statmech shows there is no way to make a physical device that accomplishes the feat without prior knowledge of the huge amount of necessary information. The rachet mechanism, if able to distinguish the single parts in question, would very soon reach thermal equilibrium with them; its rachet would be catching and releasing just as hapharzarly as the other parts that you want it to discern the motion of.

      As for the slow and fast ball: Which simple calculation?

      NASA has done pretty much what you are proposing (in a 3D version). They call it the slingshot effect. Oddly enough, they are unaware of it constituting an energy-momentum violation. It simply exploits the planet’s enormous kinetic energy to increment that of the tiny little speck of dust that’s whizzing past it.

      OK, alright, I’ll quit belonging to the conspiracy for the moment… 😀

      • Ted-X

        The modeled ratchet worked – some researchers in Italy have done that. I think they placed a ratchet mechanism in a fluidized bed of small particles. The ratchet is a thought experiment, but it should work, the gear mechanism would prevent it from moving backwards; the particles hitting the ratchet under the right angle would pass part of their kinetic energy to the shaft and they would cool down as a result of losing their velocity 🙂
        The sligshot principle is a totally different animal than passing the mechanical momentum. OK, 1 kg at 1 m/s has the energy of 0.5 J and momentum of 1 kg*m/s.
        If this momentum would be passed to 1 g, then 1 g would have the velocity of 1000 g*m/s (the same momentum). However, the kinetic energy of that 1 g of mass would be 500 J. This is what I mean by the simple calculation. The trick would be to pass momentum from a slower mass to a smaller mass which would then gain higher kinetic energy. In collision of balls it does not happen, but PERHAPS it was achieved in rotational motion by Bessler, 300 years ago. Bessler”s machine still remains to be a mystery.
        I think that the conspiracy is quite strong. 🙂 … and that I lost my Prozac for today.

        • Ted-X

          There is already a commercial company utilizing the thermal energy of ambient objects, which results in cooling them down. They claim, if I understand correctly, that they filter “thermal electrons” via a diode to get the effect. In this case a diode is corresponding to a mechanical ratchet, which brakes the statistical symmetry of the chaotic thermal movement. Now, I want a nomination to the Nobel Prize (or, at least, the Ig Nobel Prize, which sounds similar) 🙂 for finding a limitation on the laws of thermodynamics (they are correct only for the chaotic systems).

          • Chris I

            Oh I’ve seen diode arrays being proposed years ago. Cute idea, but I wonder why nobody has yet given a good demonstration of them. Methinks they suffer the same shortcoming as the rachet, which is a much older idea.

            I don’t get you there. If anybody ought to get the Nobel prize for finding that thermodynamics is correct only for chaotic systems, it truly ought to be Boltzmann. Unfortunately, he would be no more able to come and receive it, nor to be the speaker for the traditional Nobel lecture in December, than the Higgs boson will be this year: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/2013/09/30/in-surprise-advance-announcement-2013-nobel-prize-in-physics-awarded-to-higgs-boson/

          • Ted-X

            One source supporting my statement is Chava:
            —————————————————————
            THERMIONIC AMBIENT TEMPERATURE CONVERTERS
            Thermionic converters change heat into electricity, or utilize
            electric power as solid-state refrigerators. Some examples have been
            produced. Better ones are under development. Until recently,
            efficiencies were low. A heat source has always been required for
            operation.
            None of today’s examples can efficiently convert ambient heat into electricity.
            Chava is planning to introduce a thermionic converter which will
            extract ambient heat from the environment and efficiently convert this
            heat into electrical energy.
            At first sight it appears that this system is prohibited by the laws of
            physics. No power is supplied but, as if by magic, the system pumps heat and transfers it into an electrical load.
            Recent work supports this idea. Xin Yong Fu and Zi Tao Fu at Jiao
            Tong University, in Shanghai, performed an experiment described in their paper: Realization of Maxwell’s Hypothesis.
            With no magnetic field present, although electrons thermally emitted from one electrode [at ambient temperature] can reach the other, by symmetry the reverse reaction is true and no detectable current flows. However when a magnetic field was applied current flow from one electrode to the other was observed.
            But, where the Chinese device produced only tiny current from the
            thermal emissions, the Chava AHE Thermionic device is expected to
            produce significantly higher current, hence much greater power levels.
            ===========================================
            So…?

          • Chris I

            I think I’ve heard of that one too. I don’t see how any way of applyimg a magnetic field could possibly break the symmetry. Aside from this, without a link it is harder for one to check about these people and their claims (a long quote with no link isn’t good netiquette either).

            I would suggest Gégé to look up the origin of the word physics. Furthermore, the argument was no use for the very reason that it’s nature we’re concerned with.

        • Chris I

          OK, now I see what your simple calculation is. So, you are claiming that it might be possible to violate one conservation rule, basedon ignoring it while, at the same time, supposing another one to be perfectly valid. Unfortunately, that’s not the way physics works.

          • Gégé

            Who care on how physics works, I’m more interested in how nature works.

    • Quite so – and any unprejudiced person who reads Collins book on Bessler will agree that he did achieve what he claimed. The gravitational field is only conservative for a closed system but if one brings an earth reaction into the system by inhibiting the action of gravity on one side of the wheel then one gets an asymmetric imput of gravitational energy to the wheel. Using the recoil energy of a falling weight to reset it in its original position so rebalancing the wheel (same principle as the Maxim machine gun) and closing the system by taking the wheel out of asymmetric contact with the earth one can allow the wheel to rotate to its original position to repeat the cycle. During rotation the energy is bled of so that the wheel slows down to a stop at the point the cycle is repeated.

      Essentially one is putting essentially 2nd derivative energy into the wheel with the falling weight. This is being transduced into 3rd derivative energy (rotation of the wheel) by the impact of the weight on the rest of the wheel mass.

      I believe that RAR have indeed found their black swan.

  • Ted-X

    The principle of conservation of energy (in the mechanical systems) is just based on observations and may not be exactly true (in spite of we are being told by the physics professors). In fact, a machine generating energy by pure mechanical means has been constructed by Bessler (about 300 years ago). It was in the time when Newton himself was alive; however, Newton declined to comment about Bessler’s invention. The trick might not be in extracting energy from the gravitational field (which is considered to be “conservative”, but in utilizing apparent contradiction between the law of preservation of momentum and the law describing kinetic energy of matter (m*v = const and 0.5*m*v^2 = const). If we could manage to transfer momentum (partly or fully) from a ball moving slower to a ball moving faster (so the slow ball would slow down or stop), a simple calculation shows that the kinetic energy would be gained. Apparently, Bessler achieved just this, using rotating weights.

    A different case would be converting of thermal energy (Brownian motions) from an ambient temperature object into mechanical energy, with the object cooling down. This was modeled using a ratchet mechanism in a modeling experiment. So the heat dissipation happens in random systems, but if the system is not random (ratchet moves only one way), than the ambient heat energy could be extracted (in my humble opinion). I am sure a lot of people will strongly disagree with me. They are all belonging to a conspiracy. 🙂

    • Chris, Italy

      Maxwell’s demon is a hypothetical entity. It works by being omniscient. Statmech shows there is no way to make a physical device that accomplishes the feat without prior knowledge of the huge amount of necessary information. The rachet mechanism you talk about, if able to distinguish the single parts in question, would very soon reach thermal equilibrium with them; its rachet would very soon be catching and releasing just as hapharzardly as the other parts that you want it to discern the motion of.

      As for the slow and fast ball: Which simple calculation?

      NASA has done pretty much what you are proposing (in a 3D version). They call it the slingshot effect. Oddly enough, they are unaware of it constituting an energy-momentum violation. It simply exploits the planet’s enormous kinetic energy to increment that of the tiny little speck of dust that’s whizzing past it.

      OK, alright, I’ll quit belonging to the conspiracy for the moment… 😀

      • Ted-X

        The modeled ratchet worked – some researchers in Italy have done that. I think they placed a ratchet mechanism in a fluidized bed of small particles. The ratchet is a thought experiment, but it should work, the gear mechanism would prevent it from moving backwards; the particles hitting the ratchet under the right angle would pass part of their kinetic energy to the shaft and they would cool down as a result of losing their velocity 🙂
        The sligshot principle is a totally different animal than passing the mechanical momentum. OK, 1 kg at 1 m/s has the energy of 0.5 J and momentum of 1 kg*m/s.
        If this momentum would be passed to 1 g, then 1 g would have the velocity of 1000 g*m/s (the same momentum). However, the kinetic energy of that 1 g of mass would be 500 J. This is what I mean by the simple calculation. The trick would be to pass momentum from a slower mass to a smaller mass which would then gain higher kinetic energy. In collision of balls it does not happen, but PERHAPS it was achieved in rotational motion by Bessler, 300 years ago. Bessler”s machine still remains to be a mystery.
        I think that the conspiracy is quite strong. 🙂 … and that I lost my Prozac for today.

        • Ted-X

          There is already a commercial company utilizing the thermal energy of ambient objects, which results in cooling them down. They claim, if I understand correctly, that they filter “thermal electrons” via a diode to get the effect. In this case a diode is corresponding to a mechanical ratchet, which brakes the statistical symmetry of the chaotic thermal movement. Now, I want a nomination to the Nobel Prize (or, at least, the Ig Nobel Prize, which sounds similar) 🙂 for finding a limitation on the laws of thermodynamics (they are correct only for the chaotic systems).

          • Chris, Italy

            Oh I’ve seen diode arrays being proposed years ago. Cute idea, but I wonder why nobody has yet given a good demonstration of them. Methinks they suffer the same shortcoming as the rachet, which is a much older idea.

            I don’t get you there. If anybody ought to get the Nobel prize for finding that thermodynamics is correct only for chaotic systems, it truly ought to be Boltzmann. Unfortunately, he would be no more able to come and receive it, nor to be the speaker for the traditional Nobel lecture in December, than the Higgs boson will be this year: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/2013/09/30/in-surprise-advance-announcement-2013-nobel-prize-in-physics-awarded-to-higgs-boson/

          • Ted-X

            One source supporting my statement is Chava:
            —————————————————————
            THERMIONIC AMBIENT TEMPERATURE CONVERTERS
            Thermionic converters change heat into electricity, or utilize
            electric power as solid-state refrigerators. Some examples have been
            produced. Better ones are under development. Until recently,
            efficiencies were low. A heat source has always been required for
            operation.
            None of today’s examples can efficiently convert ambient heat into electricity.
            Chava is planning to introduce a thermionic converter which will
            extract ambient heat from the environment and efficiently convert this
            heat into electrical energy.
            At first sight it appears that this system is prohibited by the laws of
            physics. No power is supplied but, as if by magic, the system pumps heat and transfers it into an electrical load.
            Recent work supports this idea. Xin Yong Fu and Zi Tao Fu at Jiao
            Tong University, in Shanghai, performed an experiment described in their paper: Realization of Maxwell’s Hypothesis.
            With no magnetic field present, although electrons thermally emitted from one electrode [at ambient temperature] can reach the other, by symmetry the reverse reaction is true and no detectable current flows. However when a magnetic field was applied current flow from one electrode to the other was observed.
            But, where the Chinese device produced only tiny current from the
            thermal emissions, the Chava AHE Thermionic device is expected to
            produce significantly higher current, hence much greater power levels.
            ===========================================
            So…?

          • Chris, Italy

            I think I’ve heard of that one too. I don’t see how any way of applyimg a magnetic field could possibly break the symmetry. Aside from this, without a link it is harder for one to check about these people and their claims (a long quote with no link isn’t good netiquette either).

            I would suggest Gégé to look up the origin of the word physics. Furthermore, the argument was no use for the very reason that it’s nature we’re concerned with.

        • Chris, Italy

          OK, now I see what your simple calculation is. So, you are claiming that it might be possible to violate one conservation rule, based on ignoring it while, at the same time, supposing another one to be perfectly valid. Unfortunately, that’s not the way physics works.

          • Gégé

            Who care on how physics works, I’m more interested in how nature works.

    • Quite so – and any unprejudiced person who reads Collins book on Bessler will agree that he did achieve what he claimed. The gravitational field is only conservative for a closed system but if one brings an earth reaction into the system by inhibiting the action of gravity on one side of the wheel then one gets an asymmetric input of gravitational energy to the wheel.

      Using the recoil energy of a falling weight to reset it in its original position so rebalancing the wheel (same principle as the Maxim machine gun) and closing the system by taking the wheel out of asymmetric contact with the earth one can allow the wheel to rotate to its original position to repeat the cycle. During rotation the energy is bled of so that the wheel slows down to a stop at the point the cycle is repeated.

      Essentially one is putting 2nd derivative energy into the wheel with the falling weight. This is being transduced into 3rd derivative energy (rotation of the wheel) by the impact of the weight on the rest of the wheel mass.

      I believe that RAR have indeed found their black swan.

  • Daniel Maris

    Don’t think that has been posted yet: this appears to be the location of the generator site in the USA:

    https://maps.google.de/maps?hl=en&ll=40.763003,-88.012236&spn=0.001686,0.002867&sll=40.753889,-87.997055&sspn=0.053965,0.091753&t=h&z=19

  • Chris I

    Do they provide any details of its supposed working principles?

    I’ve seen supposed designs in the past and I’ve usually spotted where the
    proponent’s reasoning breaks down. Gravity is a conservative field,
    unless one could devise a way to exploit the planet’s rotation. That,
    though, isn’t something we’re so keen on screwing around with. Even if
    it were substantial enough for the still untested gravimagnetic effect
    which GR suggests.

    I rest highly skeptic for the moment.

  • Chris, Italy

    Do they provide any details of its supposed working principles?

    I’ve seen supposed designs in the past and I’ve usually spotted where the
    proponent’s reasoning breaks down. Gravity is a conservative field,
    unless one could devise a way to exploit the planet’s rotation. That,
    though, isn’t something we’re so keen on screwing around with. Even if
    it were substantial enough for the still untested gravimagnetic effect
    which GR suggests.

    I rest highly skeptic for the moment.

  • Omega Z

    Posted a location before. Wrong 1. Google sometimes has problems with locations that can be addressed in different ways. Such as 540 E. US highway 24 witch can also be addressed as 540 E, county rd 1700 north Etc… People can figure it out. Computers sometimes.

    Follows is Very likely the address of Incobrasa Industries, Ltd
    540 East US Highway 24 Gilman, IL 60938-6078

    https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&q=1793-1795+N+600+East+Rd,+Gilman,+IL+60938&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x880daff58a57d933:0xe98a8990679a2e17,1795+N+600+East+Rd,+Gilman,+IL+60938&gl=us&ei=RaxIUvHcGYqo2wWnoYBA&ved=0CCsQ8gEwAA

    This location fits their Illinois business considering product & shipping. They have a lease on a large number of rail cars. A road leads out to the south that hits 540 East US Highway 24. This appears to be a private road off of US 24, likely for convenience of Truck/product entrance.

    (NOTE BELOW) Here is the access road (left) & to the right-across US 24 is likely a portion of their operations as they Operate a Radio tower & 1 is visible at this location.

    https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&q=550-575+County+Road+1700+N,+Gilman,+IL+60938&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x880daf8fdd45d3af:0xd3de91be265994a8,550+County+Road+1700+N,+Gilman,+IL+60938&gl=us&ei=bbBIUvW8D-Od2QXEh4DgCA&ved=0CCkQ8gEwAA

    Their device supposedly works based on Earths Gravity field & can be adapted to the various Gravity fields according to geographical locations. These Varies. I also find this a Possibility. I only question if it’s capable of funtioning once you start drawing energy/power from it & if so, Is it Cost/benefit capable.

    • Daniel Maris

      If they get any over unity energy from it, then it will be one of the most stupendous scientific achievements ever!

      Yep that’s the google map I got off another site. I think we can agree that must be the location – doesn’t mean it hasn’t been photoshopped of course.

      • Omega Z

        They claim to have built smaller prototypes that work. This is a scale up. But for sure, if this doesn’t work, I will be quite the expensive DUD!!!

  • Omega Z

    Posted a location before. Wrong 1. Google sometimes has problems with locations that can be addressed in different ways. Such as 540 E. US highway 24 witch can also be addressed as 540 E, county rd 1700 north Etc… People can figure it out. Computers sometimes.

    Follows is Very likely the address of Incobrasa Industries, Ltd
    540 East US Highway 24 Gilman, IL 60938-6078

    https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&q=1793-1795+N+600+East+Rd,+Gilman,+IL+60938&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x880daff58a57d933:0xe98a8990679a2e17,1795+N+600+East+Rd,+Gilman,+IL+60938&gl=us&ei=RaxIUvHcGYqo2wWnoYBA&ved=0CCsQ8gEwAA

    This location fits their Illinois business considering product & shipping. They have a lease on a large number of rail cars. A road leads out to the south that hits 540 East US Highway 24. This appears to be a private road off of US 24, likely for convenience of Truck/product entrance.

    (NOTE BELOW) Here is the access road (left) & to the right-across US 24 is likely a portion of their operations as they Operate a Radio tower & 1 is visible at this location.

    https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&q=550-575+County+Road+1700+N,+Gilman,+IL+60938&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x880daf8fdd45d3af:0xd3de91be265994a8,550+County+Road+1700+N,+Gilman,+IL+60938&gl=us&ei=bbBIUvW8D-Od2QXEh4DgCA&ved=0CCkQ8gEwAA

    Their device supposedly works based on Earths Gravity field & can be adapted to the various Gravity fields according to geographical locations. These Varies. I also find this a Possibility. I only question if it’s capable of funtioning once you start drawing energy/power from it & if so, Is it Cost/benefit capable.

  • Joaquim Procopio

    Using gravity energy or gravitational potential energy to produce electricity is quite reasonable. All hydroelectric plants in the world operate under this principle. The problem is to work in a cyclic way

    • Daniel Maris

      Quite. Hydroelectricity relies on solar energy to vapourise water which then replenishes reservoirs. I wonder whether here it might be something to do with compression of gas in a liquid which then somehow adds energy through interaction at the level of molecular tension. Pure guess, but that is how an alternative cycle might work..

  • Joaquim Procopio

    Using gravity energy or gravitational potential energy to produce electricity is quite reasonable. All hydroelectric plants in the world operate under this principle. The problem is to work in a cyclic way

  • Asterix

    Unless one has conclusive evidence otherwise, gravity is a conservative force. Unless old Renato has some fancy math to prove how we can exist otherwise, I smell a dodge to get some energy investment tax credits.

    Remember that Incobrasa, up until about 2010 was getting a $1 US subsidy for each gallon of biodiesel it produced (30M gallons during 2009). The discontinuation of this subsidy has hurt Incobrasa’s operations considerably.

    I suspect that Incobrasa has a plan to get more USG funds and that this is part of it.

    I believe that Renato has his education in economics; he is not an engineer or physical scientist.

  • Asterix

    Unless one has conclusive evidence otherwise, gravity is a conservative force. Unless old Renato has some fancy math to prove how we can exist otherwise, I smell a dodge to get some energy investment tax credits.

    Remember that Incobrasa, up until about 2010 was getting a $1 US subsidy for each gallon of biodiesel it produced (30M gallons during 2009). The discontinuation of this subsidy has hurt Incobrasa’s operations considerably.

    I suspect that Incobrasa has a plan to get more USG funds and that this is part of it.

    I believe that Renato has his education in economics; he is not an engineer or physical scientist.

  • JOAO NUNES

    Can be achieved using 1/8 of the total weight at any time due to the constant change of position of the center of gravity in relation to the cranckshaft axis.

  • JOAO NUNES

    Can be achieved using 1/8 of the total weight at any time due to the constant change of position of the center of gravity in relation to the cranckshaft axis.

  • JOAO NUNES

    In my calculations, if the weight of each arm is 1 ton, we have an engine running at 120 RPM and producing 13 HP forever.

  • JOAO NUNES

    In my calculations, if the weight of each arm is 1 ton, we have an engine running at 120 RPM and producing 13 HP forever.

  • clever boy

    In every moment there are 9 arms to produce and 7 arms to counter.

    If each arm weighting 1 ton, so we have 2 ton result permanently available for use in rotary motion.

  • clever boy

    In every moment there are 9 arms to produce and 7 arms to counter.

    If each arm weighting 1 ton, so we have 2 ton result permanently available for use in rotary motion.

  • londo

    Beyond stupid.

    • clever boy

      Beyond stupid. but “Eppur si muove”!!!!

  • LewisK

    RAR energia is a big hoax.
    A big hoax invented by a Brazilian student.
    This talented student works in computer graphics and design with a software of image. Very successful software.

    The machine does not exist. The workers are false.
    Really, the shed is empty.

    We shall not see a video. Never!
    Neither in a month, nor in ten years!

    The systems of lever (parallelogram of the strengths) by gravity are not overunity.
    In movement, angles and strengths nullify.

    The
    systems of variable lever (vertical and horizontal), and PABB (Parallel
    Arm Balance Beam) with weights and to counter weight.
    These two systems are impossible for the perpetual motion.
    Cycles or periodic balance are impossible.

    In geometrical lever, the gravity does not work!

  • LewisK

    RAR energia is a big hoax.
    A big hoax invented by a Brazilian student.
    This talented student works in computer graphics and design with a software of image. Very successful software.

    The machine does not exist. The workers are false.
    Really, the shed is empty.

    We shall not see a video. Never!
    Neither in a month, nor in ten years!

    The systems of lever (parallelogram of the strengths) by gravity are not overunity.
    In movement, angles and strengths nullify.

    The
    systems of variable lever (vertical and horizontal), and PABB (Parallel
    Arm Balance Beam) with weights and to counter weight.
    These two systems are impossible for the perpetual motion.
    Cycles or periodic balance are impossible.

    In geometrical lever, the gravity does not work!

  • Red Raspberry

    I worked there in the mid 2000s. But live 15 miles away today. I have never heard of it locally. Incobrasa is a shady company.