Prometeon's Aldo Proia Looks to the East for LENR in 2014

Aldo Proia, Director of Prometeon, E-Cat Licensee for Italy has written an article which looks forward to 2014 as a year ‘Full of Surprises’. He notes some of the recent developments in LENR, and laments about opportunities missed for Italy. Here’s a Google/human translation of his message from the original Italian.

This year we are going to live in what could be the beginning of what may one day be remembered as one of the greatest revolutions of human civilization, comparable to those produced by a few other inventions: fire, printing, the steam engine, radio, and computer. Moreover, in the field of energy, the “new fire” has “the numbers” to overcome even such inventions as the atomic pile of Fermi and the nuclear reactors derived from it, since it can provide free and unlimited energy to man but without any of the drawbacks of nuclear energy: the pollution can be used to create deadly weapons.

Already five years ago, it was the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) American to point out, in an unclassified document, that LENR, once you have proved able to keep what they promised at the time remotely, would represent a revolutionary technology from potential to disruptive. And now the revolution of LENR starts spreading like wildfire. We will not make here a list of signs to that effect, but we will only mention the recent funding from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) for LENR research projects, which represents a new and significant “first time”.

Among the countries that are lining up in the front row in qualifying for this revolution are a little surprising really, like China and Korea which, not having those influential lobbies which in the West hamper any serious alteration of the status quo in the energy field, and will be doubly benefited from adopting a technology for raw or almost like that of ‘E-Cat. Italy, already crippled by a crisis that seems more and more like the beginning of a long decline, lost a unique opportunity letting the invention of Rossi cross the ocean, and for this error of judgment could pay dearly.

It appears that Proia has been paying attention to news about both Cherokee/Industrial Heat (in reference to China) and Brillouin (South Korea), and makes the same point that we have discussed here at ECW — that command economies are able to adopt certain new technologies more quickly than those in many Western countries where competing lobbies can hamper implementation of technologies that could be widely beneficial. That’s not to say that command economies are are always superior, but they seem to be more efficient in certain circumstances.

Aldo Proia may well have more information about what is going on with regard to Rossi’s partnership agreement than we do, since he is apparently still a licensee of E-Cat sales for Italy. There have been times when Andrea Rossi has said that there would continue to be E-Cat R&D in Italy, but I haven’t seen any sign of that lately. I hope that Proia is able to help bring E-Cats into Italy soon, he has been waiting long enough.

  • Christina

    I’m reading “Infinite Energy Technologies” and am now thinking perhaps throwing the E-Cat out into the world might could be advantageous for its acceptance and development and for our eventually getting it into this country because the big oil and big government entities in the U.S. and Europe won’t be able to stop distribution–hopefully.

    Italy, along with the rest of Europe, and the U.S. will then get the E-Cat when it’s veracity has been proven in China and South Korea and perhaps, India.

    Perhaps then the powers that be will be humble enough to let the E-Cat help the poor 2 or 4 billion people and then slowly be absorbed into the U.S. and Europe as oil, gas, and other fossil fuels are slowly phased out so as to not put people out of work. This will take a big educational push for oil companies will have to switch to something else and train their people to do so also. To facilitate this parents need to demand that their children become very conversant in math by the time they graduate high school.

    I remember the space race and think that with all the technology out there that “Infinite Energy Technology” mentions, we should be able to educated people to build space ships, homes, and places of business for Mars and Luna, explore the solar system, and then the galaxy, and if we meet another race, we should approach the whole thing the same way the United Starship Enterprise does. It’s a good approach. (Everyone also says that “Star Trek” is fiction; but it’s approach to exploration should be emulated anyway as it was the focus of the show as was that beautiful ship.)

    As there seems to be veracity in the charge that we’ve shot down UFO’s, we should go out there and claim our solar system as our own and everything else as open for discussion.

    Have a good day and may God bless you.

    • bfast

      “Perhaps then the powers that be will be humble enough to let the E-Cat help the poor 2 or 4 billion people and then slowly be absorbed into the U.S. and Europe as oil, gas, and other fossil fuels are slowly phased out so as to not put people out of work”

      I agree with your initial analysis that China, Korea, India may take the lead on LENR technology. However, once it is commercially available, no power in the world will allow it to be “slowly absorbed”. It will come in like a runaway freight train. Along the way will be more than a few train wrecks. Once the dust has settled (about 20 years from when the thing goes commercial) we will discover that we are all better off on average. (Don’t know if Saudi Arabia will agree.)

      • Christina

        Yeah, well, that’s what I’ve been afraid of all this time. I think the E-Cat is great, but birth of any kind is painful and I was hoping for a planned delivery by Mr. Rossi that would distribute the pain so much it would be diluted and not cause another Great Depression. I think that Mr. Rossi once said what he was trying to do was avoid lay-offs in the energy industry by introducing the E-Cat the way he will be doing it.

        Call me “Pollyanna” and let’s hope that brotherly love among nations overcomes brotherly fisticuffs. Hey, once upon a time there were only a few thousand people that survived an ice age, I seem to remember learning, so we are all very alike, so let’s get along.

      • georgehants

        bfast, you say — “are slowly phased out so as to not put people out of work”
        If an economic system does not have at it’s core the policy of getting as many people out of work and share the remaining work fairly then it is clearly corrupt, incompetent or crazy.
        What the hell is the point of technology and science etc. if not to lighten the work load for all.
        So many people are seemingly taken-in by the capitalistic imposed myth that people must work, fear unemployment and paying their mortgages, bills etc.

    • georgehants

      Christina, I agree with helping those less fortunate is most important, including the millions in the U.K. and America living on food handouts etc. which is crazy as basic food productivity has not dropped or even threatened.
      Such unjust shortages are of course caused entirely because capitalism demands an unequal society, so that the rich and powerful can remain rich and powerful, while many suffer.
      I don’t quite follow, are you saying that shooting down UFO’s is a good thing.
      I would need to have a very good justification for such action as any possible aliens are surely to be treated with more respect.
      The space race was a time when things where achieved, now billions are just wasted keeping sciences welfare system going by making out that sending a toy truck to Mars etc. is some great achievement.
      If they cannot be usefully employed researching Cold Fusion etc. they should be dismissed out into the real world of having to work for a living.
      ——
      Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record
      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/7/obamas-rhetoric-on-fighting-poverty-doesnt-match-h/

      • Christina

        No, no, Georgehants, shooting down UFO’s is not a good thing. It’s terrible and shows no respect for all of God’s children. I only meant to say that claims that there are extraterrestrials have been verified, then we ought to treat ETs with respect and not shoot them down and apply the same kind of Christian respect that is according in the fiction called “Star Trek” to the fictitious ETs in the fictitious “Star Trek.” Why is is so hard to understand that in “First Contact” reality should follow fiction; showing the way to do that is fiction’s job. If we believe in God, we must believe that He made ETs to love, honor, and obey Him as He made us. So they’re our brothers and sisters. We should be very careful, but we should treat ETs with respect.

        I agree with you that raw capitalism is bad, but so is raw socialism and we seem to be headed that way because socialism is endeavoring to replace religion. We shouldn’t allow that. Plus there are just too many laws sprouting up. The colonists of England who started the American Revolution had less interference in their lives than we do, especially from judges as our judges do what they want and in effect tell the voters to get lost.

        I agree about the present problems with space exploration that is why I keep telling about http://www.buildtheenterprise.org. BTE Dan is proposing a platform in space that can go to the planets and come home into earth orbit thereby picking up, delivering, performing missions, and so forth.

        • georgehants

          In the meanwhile perhaps some scientists will explain to us why some of the billions being pored into NASA is not used for the open research of Cold Fusion etc. as the academic fraternity, university’s etc. have totally failed in their responsibilities to society on the subject.

      • kdk

        I think the waste came from keeping the lid on it too long, or trying to hold it back maybe a little too much.

        I do think it is important for us to continue to develop our own technology. Who knows what we may stumble across that others haven’t?

      • Omega Z

        George

        Multiple personnel reported they have tried to shoot down UFO’s.
        U.S., Russia, & others.
        They didn’t shoot back.
        Conclusion. They must be friendly… 🙂

        Aliens reporting home.
        Imperial Commander.
        With all our demonstrations of superior technology, They still shoot at us.
        Conclusion. Intelligence is not their strong point.
        Recommend we abort attempts of interstellar relations.

        This Zone has been declared clear for the interstellar highway as to our EPA requirements not to harm Intelligent lifeforms.

  • US_Citizen71

    “This year we are going to live in what could be the beginning of what may one day be remembered as one of the greatest revolutions of human civilization, comparable to those produced by a few other inventions: fire, printing, the steam engine, radio, and computer.” – I hope so, the world could use it.

  • US_Citizen71

    “This year we are going to live in what could be the beginning of what may one day be remembered as one of the greatest revolutions of human civilization, comparable to those produced by a few other inventions: fire, printing, the steam engine, radio, and computer.” – I hope so, the world could use it.

  • Omega Z

    Frank

    It’s extremely likely Aldo gets some of his info here at ECW…
    If ECW isn’t the #1 site of choice, It’s in the top 2 or 3.
    And Even if one has another site they Prefer,
    ECW is a definite must visit daily. Likely from all sides.

    A Testimate to the great Job You do.

    • Buck

      +1

    • Andre Blum

      I agree that it looks like that, but want to add that I don’t find that a pleasant thought. It indicates that Proia does not get information from Rossi, and cannot count himself as a trusted inner circle participant.

      • Omega Z

        I would suspect that Aldo does some follow with others who have some association with Rossi.
        Or does his due diligence. He don’t seem to be the fool.

  • Omega Z

    Frank

    It’s extremely likely Aldo gets some of his info here at ECW…
    If ECW isn’t the #1 site of choice, It’s in the top 2 or 3.
    And Even if one has another site they Prefer,
    ECW is a definite must visit daily. Likely from all sides.

    A Testimate to the great Job You do.

    • Buck

      +1

    • Andre Blum

      I agree that it looks like that, but want to add that I don’t find that a pleasant thought. It indicates that Proia does not get information from Rossi, and cannot count himself as a trusted inner circle participant.

      • Omega Z

        I would suspect that Aldo does some follow with others who have some association with Rossi.
        Or does his due diligence. He don’t seem to be the fool.

  • bfast

    “Perhaps then the powers that be will be humble enough to let the E-Cat help the poor 2 or 4 billion people and then slowly be absorbed into the U.S. and Europe as oil, gas, and other fossil fuels are slowly phased out so as to not put people out of work”

    I agree with your initial analysis that China, Korea, India may take the lead on LENR technology. However, once it is commercially available, no power in the world will allow it to be “slowly absorbed”. It will come in like a runaway freight train. Along the way will be more than a few train wrecks. Once the dust has settled (about 20 years from when the thing goes commercial) we will discover that we are all better off on average. (Don’t know if Saudi Arabia will agree.)

    • georgehants

      bfast, you say “are slowly phased out so as to not put people out of work”
      If an economic system does not have at it’s core the policy of getting as many people out of work and share the remaining work fairly then it is clearly corrupt, incompetent or crazy.
      What the hell is the point of technology and science etc. if not to lighten the work load for all.
      So many people are seemingly taken-in by the capitalistic imposed myth that people must work, fear unemployment and paying their mortgages, bills etc.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    A command economy with good leadership can work better than a democracy in cases where success depends on rapid decisions. On the other hand a working democracy is good at distributing wealth. In LENR we are now living the rapid decision phase. The wealth distribution phase comes afterwards.

    • Frechette

      “a working democracy is good at distributing wealth”
      I guess we don’t have such a thing in the US.

      • Fortyniner

        …nor in the UK.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    A command economy with good leadership can work better than a democracy in cases where success depends on rapid decisions. On the other hand a working democracy is good at distributing wealth. In LENR we are now living the rapid decision phase. The wealth distribution phase comes afterwards.

    • Frechette

      “a working democracy is good at distributing wealth”
      I guess we don’t have such a thing in the US.

      • …nor in the UK.

      • MasterBlaster7

        All you have to do is look at the Republican filibuster to understand you don’t live in a true democracy. Tail wagging the dog all over the place there.

  • Marc Ellenbroek

    It is also interesting to read that Aldo’s analysis includes also his competitors. I hope he is right and that this year will be the year of LENR. I am sure that while knowledge is ‘escaping’ to the east, the decision-makers in the democracies will change their strategy and allow LENR to blossom soon.

  • georgehants

    Christina, I agree with helping those less fortunate is most important, including the millions in the U.K. and America living on food handouts etc. which is crazy as basic food productivity has not dropped or even threatened.
    Such unjust shortages are of course caused entirely because capitalism demands an unequal society, so that the rich and powerful can remain rich and powerful, while many suffer.
    I don’t quite follow, are you saying that shooting down UFO’s is a good thing.
    I would need have a very good justification for such action as any possible aliens are surely to be treated with more respect.
    The space race was a time when things where achieved, now billions are just wasted keeping sciences welfare system going by making out that sending a toy truck to Mars etc. is some great achievement.

    • kdk

      I think the waste came from keeping the lid on it too long, or trying to hold it back maybe a little too much.

      I do think it is important for us to continue to develop our own technology. Who knows what we may stumble across that others haven’t?

    • Omega Z

      George

      Multiple personnel reported they have tried to shoot down UFO’s.
      U.S., Russia, & others.
      They didn’t shoot back.
      Conclusion. They must be friendly… 🙂

      Aliens reporting home.
      Imperial Commander.
      With all our demonstrations of superior technology, They still shoot at us.
      Conclusion. Intelligence is not their strong point.
      Recommend we abort attempts of interstellar relations.

      This Zone has been declared clear for the interstellar highway as to our EPA requirements not to harm Intelligent lifeforms.

  • Happy Neighbors

    The Chinese are good people, as are the South Koreans. The technology is not being lost to the rest of the world, they are quite the opposite ensuring it’s survival.

    We can only wonder at what other technologies may have been smothered in the past.

    Let nothing good for humanity go to waste for the sake of the self interest of a handful of self important parasites.

    I like to think that a group is made stronger by the diversity of the qualities it’s individual members bring.

    Join me in celebrating those qualities which China and South Korea are bringing to the table for humanity.

    Cheers, brothers and sisters of humanity around the globe! Thank you!

    • Alan DeAngelis

      The real goal of the puppet masters is to have “captive
      markets”.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv_nX7TNQcs

    • MasterBlaster7

      China is where the hot cat will do the most good. It will replace the most coal fired power plants. Yay! for the environment.

  • Charles

    My extremely conservative nature is screaming in despair, but my hopes for the advancement of mankind is pushing me toward the slash-bam-bang approach to the E-Cat.

    Put the “new Fire” out there, and take the bumps and bruises that will come. From what I have read, the worst case seems to be that the system simply melts down and perhaps even explodes, but in the process does not leave any damaging radiation or residue. A careful selection of applications that involve remoteness, means to avoid human deaths or damages, and backup by existing systems to keep operations going would be a good approach. Contracts with the potential users can surely prevent huge suits and such. But first, we kill all the lawyers. For instance, I live near one of the worlds greatest arsenal producers which was intentionally constructed in a very mountainous region and with revetments to send explosions upward. Over the past 80 years they have gotten the very nervous nitroglycerine system totally under control. I do not think E-Cat is remotelessly as dangerous.

    I am convinced that the promises of E-Cat are so great that a few colossal burps and fa-ts will not even slow it down.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      One thing is certain. Replacing a conventional furnace with
      an E-Cat would eliminate the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning.

      http://www.creia.org/July-2011-Inspector-eNews/carbon-monoxide-leading-cause-of-poisoning-deaths.html

    • Fortyniner

      I agree, and I am beginning to think that due to the involvement of China that something along these lines may take place, despite the (slowly disintegrating) Western media blackout, hidden machinations of vested interests and the unvarying stupidity and widespread corruption of politicians. It won’t happen overnight, but there seems to be a reasonable chance of a ‘critical mass’ of knowledge accumulating in public awareness some time in the next few years that might precipitate massive worldwide changes for the better – despite all opposition and attempts to control the introduction of old fusion.

      Two things could stop this:

      1) Politically inspired takeover and control of the internet under the pretexts that are already evident – copyright protection, porn blocking, ‘national security’ and so on. In effect this would be a continuation of the current news blackout, but of course far more effective. This is a real danger and everyone who values the freedom to exchange information unfiltered needs to be on their guard against seemingly harmless moves towards the introduction of State blocking of websites that are not ‘approved’.

      2) Recognition of cold fusion at government level, followed by
      legislation to include any development of CF under the same restrictions
      that apply to nuclear fission. An unfortunate ‘incident’ at a CF development site could provide the justification for such a move. Apart from campaigning against such legislation, and
      voting out of government the politicians responsible (after the fact
      unfortunately) there is actually little that could be done about this
      possibility. If successful, then of course CF will remain behind locked
      doors for a generation or more.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        I don’t think (2) is realistic because without understanding it physically, CF is not possible to define in the legal sense. It is in all likelihood impossible to draw legally precise boundaries for the phenomenon even if one would understand it physically.

        • Fortyniner

          That’s true, but I’m not sure a technical definition would be necessary for enforcement – a legal definition is more likely to consist of a superficial description of the function of what is to be banned, as currently applied to the terms ‘firearm’ or ‘explosive’ for instance, or to the manufacture of drugs or nerve agents.

          Such a broad-brush ‘definition’ could for instance simply be something along the lines of:
          ‘construction or possession of a reactor or apparatus containing a metal or metals and hydrogen or a hydrogen source, and designed to give rise to an exothermic process of the type variously known as ‘cold fusion’ or ‘low energy nuclear reaction’ ‘

        • Fortyniner

          Deleted – wrong place.

        • Omega Z

          “LEGALLY” being the operative word.

      • GreenWin

        Peter, number 1) is already in full bloom with regard to politically correct items such as climate. This link demonstrates how 40 of 41 media stories on the climate expedition frozen in ultra-cold Antarctic summer — never mention climate! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi

        • Fortyniner

          Strange that, isn’t it! The reason for the expedition wasn’t even mentioned on the BBC news. There was some slight emphasis on the irony that it was an icebreaker that was trapped in ice, but the extreme irony of a bunch of ‘warmists’ being stuck in ice that shouldn’t (according to them) be there seemed to escape the hacks entirely.

          Sometimes you have to wonder how such all-encompassing fine control of ‘blackisted’ topics such as CF, globalist cabals such as the Bilderberg group, and chemtrails/geoengineering actually operates on an individual level. By and large, media people seem to act almost as if they are in fear of their lives IRO these areas – why do so few ever kick over the traces, even when they are leaving the profession?

          • georgehants

            As the glaciers are covering New York and London in the coming ice-age, the scientists will be writing reports telling us that it is caused by Global Warming.
            ——
            Global warming throws polar vortex over the United States.
            http://news.softpedia.com/news/Global-Warming-Throws-Polar-Vortex-Over-the-United-States-413809.shtml

          • GreenWin

            Hello George. Yes it is very interesting to watch the climate gang try to weasel away from the data. “Polar vortex, slow jet stream” indeed! US/UK taxpayers have coughed up billions trying to get other nations to believe in climate models. All have failed. But the taxpayers’ purse is appreciably lighter.

          • Omega Z

            George

            The U.S. Media has already blamed the cold snap on Global Warming.
            Err I Mean Climate Change.

            I can see Archeologists chipping them out of the Ice a 1000 years from now & they’ll be clutching a sign proclaiming, It was caused by Global Warming.

    • Frechette

      Right, and as long as it isn’t you or one of your loved ones that doesn’t get “evaporated” as you so nicely put it.

      • Charles

        That’s exactly what happened Frechette. No trace of them was ever found.

  • Charles

    My extremely conservative nature is screaming in despair, but my hopes for the advancement of mankind is pushing me toward the slash-bam-bang approach to the E-Cat.

    Put the “new Fire” out there, and take the bumps and bruises that will come. From what I have read, the worst case seems to be that the system simply melts down and perhaps even explodes, but in the process does not leave any damaging radiation or residue. A careful selection of applications that involve remoteness, means to avoid human deaths or damages, and backup by existing systems to keep operations going would be a good approach. Contracts with the potential users can surely prevent huge suits and such. But first, we kill all the lawyers. For instance, I live near one of the worlds greatest arsenal producers which was intentionally constructed in a very mountainous region and with revetments to send explosions upward. Over the past 80 years they have (apparently) gotten the very nervous nitroglycerine system totally under control. In the interim, a couple of workers evaporated (literally – no trace of them was ever found) in the explosions. I do not think E-Cat is remotely as dangerous.

    I am convinced that the promises of E-Cat are so great that a few colossal burps and fa-ts will not even slow it down.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      One thing is certain. Replacing a conventional furnace with
      an E-Cat would eliminate the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning.

      http://www.creia.org/July-2011-Inspector-eNews/carbon-monoxide-leading-cause-of-poisoning-deaths.html

    • I agree, and I am beginning to think that due to the involvement of China that something along these lines might just take place, despite the (slowly disintegrating) Western media blackout, hidden machinations of vested interests and the unvarying stupidity and widespread corruption of politicians. It won’t happen overnight, but there seems to be a reasonable chance of a ‘critical mass’ of knowledge accumulating in public awareness some time in the next few years that might precipitate massive worldwide changes for the better – despite all opposition and attempts to control the introduction of old fusion.

      Two things could stop this:

      1) Politically inspired takeover and control of the internet under the pretexts that are already evident – copyright protection, porn blocking, ‘national security’ and so on. In effect this would be a continuation of the current news blackout, but of course far more effective. This is a real danger and everyone who values the freedom to exchange information unfiltered needs to be on their guard against seemingly harmless incremental moves towards the introduction of Chinese-style State blocking of websites that are not ‘approved’.

      2) Recognition of cold fusion at government level, followed by legislation to include any development or deployment of CF under the same restrictions that apply to nuclear fission. An unfortunate ‘incident’ involving CF could provide the justification for such a move, and it is not beyond State agencies to fabricate one if nothing occurs spontaneously. Apart from campaigning against such legislation (almost impossible if a suitably dramatic ‘accident’ has apparently occurred), and voting out of government the politicians responsible (after the fact unfortunately) there is actually little that could be done about this possibility. If successful, then of course CF would remain behind corporate and military locked doors for a generation or more.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        I don’t think (2) is realistic because without understanding it physically, CF is not possible to define in the legal sense. It is in all likelihood impossible to draw legally precise boundaries for the phenomenon even if one would understand it physically.

        • That’s true, but I’m not sure a technical definition would be necessary for enforcement. A legal definition is more likely to consist of a superficial description of the function of what is to be banned, as currently applied to the terms ‘firearm’ or ‘explosive’ for instance, or to the manufacture of ‘drugs’ or ‘nerve agents’, none of which are defined at a technical or chemical level in UK law (it’s probably much the same elsewhere). It would be up to anyone having their door kicked in at 3:00AM by an armed police squad to prove that this was NOT what they were intending.

          Such a broad-brush ‘definition’ could for instance simply be something along the lines of:
          ‘.. construction or possession of a reactor or apparatus containing a metal or metals and hydrogen gas or a hydrogen source, and designed or intended to give rise to an exothermic process of the type variously known as ‘cold fusion’ or ‘low energy nuclear reaction’..’

          • MasterBlaster7

            That is all fine and dandy. But, restrictions to cold fusion in the patent office are statute driven. There are special rules for, specifically ‘perpetual motion machines’ and ‘cold fusion’. Cold fusion was added to the list after the ’embarrassment’ the pons and flishman ‘reporting’ caused to the scientific and political establishment. You have to get those rules wiped from the books before you can cleverly construct claims for a device where the scientific phenomenon is not understood.

            The irony here is that main stream science wont touch cold fusion with a 10 foot pole because of the embarrassment it caused to the establishment. Rossi is doing it right…proceed as a trade secret and release a commercial product.

        • Deleted – wrong place.

        • Omega Z

          “LEGALLY” being the operative word.

      • GreenWin

        Peter, number 1) is already in full bloom with regard to politically correct items such as climate. This link demonstrates how 40 of 41 media stories on the climate expedition frozen in ultra-cold Antarctic summer — never mention climate! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi

        • Strange that, isn’t it! The reason for the expedition wasn’t even mentioned on the BBC news. There was some slight emphasis on the irony that it was an icebreaker that was trapped in ice, but the extreme irony of a bunch of ‘warmists’ being stuck in ice that shouldn’t (according to them) be there seemed to escape the hacks entirely.

          Sometimes you have to wonder how such all-encompassing fine control of ‘blackisted’ topics such as CF, globalist cabals like the Bilderberg group, and chemtrails/geoengineering actually operates on an individual level. By and large, media people seem to act almost as if they are in fear of their lives IRO these areas – why do so few ever kick over the traces, even when they are leaving the profession?

          • Frechette

            They all have kids in college and mortgages to pay. It’s quite simple.

          • Omega Z

            They can’t control all the people all time,
            But,
            They can control 1 Individuals livelihood indefinitely.

          • georgehants

            As the glaciers are covering New York and London in the coming ice-age, the scientists will be writing reports telling us that it is caused by Global Warming.
            Note below on two reports how they cannot even agree what has caused the cold, but of course we must believe what they say
            ——
            Global warming throws polar vortex over the United States.
            http://news.softpedia.com/news/Global-Warming-Throws-Polar-Vortex-Over-the-United-States-413809.shtml
            ——
            Don’t blame the polar vortex. The real reason for the cold snap paralysing North America this week is a slow jet stream.
            http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24824-us-freeze-is-nothing-to-do-with-a-polar-vortex.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news#.Us2EJvtDG_8

          • GreenWin

            Hello George. Yes it is very interesting to watch the climate gang try to weasel away from the data. “Polar vortex, slow jet stream” indeed! US/UK taxpayers have coughed up billions trying to get other nations to believe in climate models. All have failed. But the taxpayers’ purse is appreciably lighter.

          • Omega Z

            George

            The U.S. Media has already blamed the cold snap on Global Warming.
            Err I Mean Climate Change.

            I can see Archeologists chipping them out of the Ice a 1000 years from now & they’ll be clutching a sign proclaiming, It was caused by Global Warming.

    • Frechette

      Right, and as long as it isn’t you or one of your loved ones that doesn’t get “evaporated” as you so nicely put it.

      • Charles

        That’s exactly what happened Frechette. No trace of them was ever found.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    The real goal of the puppet masters is to have “captive
    markets”.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv_nX7TNQcs

  • LucaS

    Exactly what I’we always been saying from at least 2 years: semicomunist and no free market countries such as Italy (I live here so I know the REAL situation, which is very different from the media chatters, which are almost all financed by state money.. not a cohincidence!) won’t get any advantage at all from the e-cat. It’s very very simple. My hope is that the US will be free from the current Obama’s crony capitalism, to say the best, and be able to get the full advantages of this marvelous technology.
    The same hope is for the great Germany, England, and other northern Europe advanced countries: stay away from Italy, Spain, France, Greece… and other third-world corrupted collapsing countries like us, and get full advantage from the e-cat. The sooner the better.

    • Fortyniner

      The UK’s path is temporarily blocked by the new and inexplicable enthusiasm among politicians for nuclear fission, even as the situation at Fukushima and in the Pacific Ocean gets worse by the day. The main proponent of this rush to build a herd of white elephants will almost certainly be gone in a year, and maybe a new look at energy will take place after that.

  • LucaS

    Exactly what I’we always been saying from at least 2 years: semicomunist and no free market countries such as Italy (I live here so I know the REAL situation, which is very different from the media chatters, which are almost all financed by state money.. not a cohincidence!) won’t get any advantage at all from the e-cat. It’s very very simple. My hope is that the US will be free from the current Obama’s crony capitalism, to say the best, and be able to get the full advantages of this marvelous technology.
    The same hope is for the great Germany, England, and other northern Europe advanced countries: stay away from Italy, Spain, France, Greece… and other third-world corrupted collapsing countries like us, and get full advantage from the e-cat. The sooner the better.

    • The UK’s path is temporarily blocked by the new and inexplicable enthusiasm among politicians for nuclear fission, even as the situation at Fukushima and in the Pacific Ocean gets worse by the day. The main proponent of this rush to build a herd of white elephants will almost certainly be out of power in a year, and maybe a new look at energy will take place after that.

      • LucaS

        The current UK government has been saving the contry. Nut yes they are also been making some mistakes and one of them is that you’re talking about. The main mistake, expecially from a market oriented government, is the financial scheme of that investment: the state in order to get the project started assures a minimum electricity price (very high indeed) to the private operator, and so the european commission is investigating considering it a state aid… this is exactly the same scheme of renewable ponzi energies: the market don’t want them but you change all the factors in order to get it marketable…. When you don’t operate according to free market you’ll surely produce incredible and very very costly mistakes…. But Cameron and Osborne are generally doing a marvelous work… we would need them here in Italy.. please forgive them: their alternative are much much worse!

  • georgehants

    In the meanwhile perhaps some scientists will explain to us why some of the billions being pored into NASA is not used for the open research of Cold Fusion etc. as the academic fraternity, university’s etc. have totally failed in their responsibilities to society on the subject.

  • Chris I

    Proia confirms what I was thinking with this recent newsflow. When we shall be hearing about the use of this new energy source in China and such places, McCarthy and co. will jump up and decry it all as Communist propaganda that must at all cost be avoided. Yup, all the John Lennon’s have been singing and dancing about how the e-cat will soon and quickly end all wars, bringing peace and harmony to Mankind… LMAO

    • Sandy

      LENR technologies will not end all wars but it will make wars much less likely. International competition for energy resources (particularly petroleum) has been a major driver of warfare in the modern era. That competition will be greatly reduced when nations can, with LENR technologies, produce all of the energy that they could ever want to have. International censure and boycotts will be able to suppress warfare in most other cases. Unfortunately, the conflict between Palestinians and Zionists will continue to be a problem because the warfare between those two groups is driven by religion, racism, and greed.

      • Chris I

        Don’t tell me you seriously think it’s that simple.

        It’s amusing that you specify “in the modern era” and then mention Zionism as being the only war that will continue, because you don’t see how the first of these so plainly renders your argument inconclusive, then you seem unaware of how exactly you hit the nail on the head with the second. Zionism began way back when Adam and his seed left Ur according to the Covenant. The Middle East has been so central to the brunt of wars down through history, with basically the same core reasons as Zionism.

        Further to historic analysis, think mostly macroeconomics and ethology, then you might begin to get a glimpse of the real picture. If you don’t quite get there, try reading Orwell, Macchiavelli etc…

      • Omega Z

        They can’t control all the people all time,
        But,
        They can control 1 Individuals livelihood indefinitely.

  • Chris, Italy

    Proia confirms what I was thinking with this recent newsflow. When we shall be hearing about the use of this new energy source in China and such places, McCarthy and co. will jump up and decry it all as Communist propaganda that must at all cost be avoided. Yup, all the John Lennon’s have been singing and dancing about how the e-cat will soon and quickly end all wars, bringing peace and harmony to Mankind… LMAO

    • Sandy

      LENR technologies will not end all wars but it will make wars much less likely. International competition for energy resources (particularly petroleum) has been a major driver of warfare in the modern era. That competition will be greatly reduced when nations can, with LENR technologies, produce all of the energy that they could ever want to have. International censure and boycotts will be able to suppress warfare in most other cases. Unfortunately, the conflict between Palestinians and Zionists will continue to be a problem because the warfare between those two groups is driven by religion, racism, and greed.

      • Chris, Italy

        Don’t tell me you seriously think it’s that simple.

        It’s amusing that you specify “in the modern era” and then mention Zionism as being the only war that will continue, because you don’t see how the first of these so plainly renders your argument inconclusive, then you seem unaware of how exactly you hit the nail on the head with the second. Zionism began way back when Adam and his seed left Ur according to the Covenant. The Middle East has been so central to the brunt of wars down through history, with basically the same core reasons as Zionism.

        Further to historic analysis, think mostly macroeconomics and ethology, then you might begin to get a glimpse of the real picture. If you don’t quite get there, try reading Orwell, Macchiavelli etc…