Blacklight Power: "Generation of Millions of Watts of Power from the Conversion of Water Fuel to a New Form of Hydrogen" — Demo on Jan 28th

Thanks to Greenwin for finding the following press release from Blacklight Power. It sounds very interesting.

BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces the Game Changing Achievement of the Generation of Millions of Watts of Power from the Conversion of Water Fuel to a New Form of Hydrogen

BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) today announced that it has produced millions of watts of power with its breakthrough Solid Fuel-Catalyst-Induced-Hydrino-Transition (SF-CIHT) patent pending technology in its laboratories.

Using a proprietary water-based solid fuel confined by two electrodes of a SF-CIHT cell, and applying a current of 12,000 amps through the fuel, water ignites into an extraordinary flash of power. The fuel can be continuously fed into the electrodes to continuously output power. BlackLight has produced millions of watts of power in a volume that is one ten thousandths of a liter corresponding to a power density of over an astonishing 10 billion watts per liter. As a comparison, a liter of BlackLight power source can output as much power as a central power generation plant exceeding the entire power of the four former reactors of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, the site of one of the worst nuclear disasters in history.

Our safe, non-polluting power-producing system catalytically converts the hydrogen of the H2O-based solid fuel into a non-polluting product, lower-energy state hydrogen called “Hydrino”, by allowing the electrons to fall to smaller radii around the nucleus. The energy release of H2O fuel, freely available in the humidity in the air, is one hundred times that of an equivalent amount of high-octane gasoline. The power is in the form of plasma, a supersonic expanding gaseous ionized physical state of the fuel comprising essentially positive ions and free electrons that can be converted directly to electricity using highly efficient magnetohydrodynamic converters. Simply replacing the consumed H2O regenerates the fuel. Using readily-available components, BlackLight has developed a system engineering design of an electric generator that is closed except for the addition of H2O fuel and generates ten million watts of electricity, enough to power ten thousand homes. Remarkably, the device is less than a cubic foot in volume. To protect its innovations and inventions, multiple worldwide patent applications have been filed on BlackLight’s proprietary technology.

This breakthrough transformational power technology can be witnessed in a live demonstration hosted by BlackLight of on January 28th at 11 AM. Details and updates will be posted at the company website (http://www.blacklightpower.com/). Those interested in attending can contact BlackLight to preregister for this limited availability event.

Applications and markets for the SF-CIHT cell extend across the global power spectrum, including thermal, stationary electrical power, motive, and defense. Given the independence from existing infrastructure, grid in the case of electricity and fuels in the case of motive power, the SF-CIHT power source is a further game changer for all forms of transportation: automobile, freight trucks, rail, marine, aviation, and aerospace in that the power density is one million times that of the engine of a Formula One racer, and ten million times that of a jet engine. The SF-CIHT cell uses cheap, abundant, nontoxic, commodity chemicals, with no apparent long-term supply issues that might preclude commercial, high volume manufacturing. The projected cost of the SF-CIHT cell is between $10 and $100/kW compared to over one hundred times that for conventional power sources of electricity.

BlackLight’s previously reported pioneering solid fuels and CIHT electrochemical cell use the same catalyst as the newly invented SF-CIHT cells, and they served as a model for Dr. Mills to invent the breakthrough plasma producing SF-CIHT cell. These background technologies have been validated by industry. BlackLight’s results of multiples of the maximum theoretical energy release for representative solid fuels was replicated at Perkin Elmer’s Field Application Laboratory at their facility using their commercial instrument. Moreover, our advanced CIHT electrochemical cell was independently replicated offsite as well.

“We at The ENSER Corporation have performed about thirty tests at our premises using BLP’s CIHT electrochemical cells of the type that were tested and reported by BLP in the Spring of 2012, and achieved the three specified goals,” said Dr. Ethirajulu Dayalan, Engineering Fellow, of The ENSER Corporation. “We independently validated BlackLight’s results offsite by an unrelated highly qualified third party. We confirmed that hydrino was the product of any excess electricity observed by three analytical tests on the cell products, and determined that BlackLight Power had achieved fifty times higher power density with stabilization of the electrodes from corrosion.” Dr. Terry Copeland, who managed product development for several electrochemical and energy companies including DuPont Company and Duracell added, “Dr. James Pugh (then Director of Technology at ENSER) and Dr. Ethirajulu Dayalan participated with me in the independent tests of CIHT cells at The ENSER Corporation’s Pinellas Park facility in Florida starting on November 28, 2012. We fabricated and tested CIHT cells capable of continuously producing net electrical output that confirmed the fifty-fold stable power density increase and hydrino as the product.”

The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma, The ENSER Corporation and Dr. Terry Copeland validation reports on the prior generation CIHT electrochemical cells, and the Perkin Elmer report on solid fuels are publicly available on BlackLight’s webpage (http://www.blacklightpower.com/). Technical papers by BlackLight providing the experimental tests of plasma to electric conversion, results of excess energy production from solid fuels, results of continuous electricity production at fifty times higher power density than prior generation CIHT electrochemical cells, and the detailed chemistry and identification of Hydrinos by ten analytical methods that laboratories can follow and replicate are given at http://www.blacklightpower.com/.

About BlackLight Power

BlackLight Power, Inc. is the inventor of a new primary energy source applicable to essentially all power applications such as thermal, electrical, automotive, trucking, rail, marine, aviation, aerospace, and defense. The BlackLight Process, the power source, is the process of releasing the latent energy of the hydrogen atom by forming Hydrinos. The SF-CIHT cell was invented by Dr. Mills to release this energy directly as electricity from water as the only source of fuel.

For more information, please visit http://www.blacklightpower.com/

  • artefact

    The first quarter of this year is full of fun. BLP demo in January, Defkalion news in January, Rossi 3rd party report probably in March, MIT in March, Cern in January,….
    It starts like a year where everything could finaly change.

    • Gerrit

      Don’t forget the MIT course scheduled January 27-31.

      The amount and quality of news today in comparison to 2011 is amazing, indeed.

  • artefact

    The first quarter of this year is full of fun. BLP demo in January, Defkalion news in January, Rossi 3rd party report probably in March, MIT in March, Cern in January,….
    It starts like a year where everything could finaly change.

    • Gerrit

      Don’t forget the MIT course scheduled January 27-31.

      The amount and quality of news today in comparison to 2011 is amazing, indeed.

  • Frank Acland

    I’ve written to BLP asking for an invitation to the demo.

  • artefact

    BLP first produced heat. Then they had the CIHT which produced directly electricity. I would guess that the new SF-CIHT they talk of also produces electricity. I just don’t find anything about the COP or the watts per hour.

    • I am more than skeptical on Hydrino theory, but why not SF-CIHT working despite theory…
      We require a serious test…
      The reports they cite are a bit light.
      CIHT is very different from the E-cat/Defkalion/Brillouin/Fleischmann/Lenuco/Piantelli/Celani family of devices… Harde to swallow than those LENR/LENR+ anomalous heat.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        They use nickel or – alternative – molybdenum electrodes. Maybe not so far from “classical” LENR?

  • artefact

    BLP first produced heat. Then they had the CIHT which produced directly electricity. I would guess that the new SF-CIHT they talk of also produces electricity. I just don’t find anything about the COP or the watts per hour.

    • I am more than skeptical on Hydrino theory, but why not SF-CIHT working despite theory…
      We require a serious test…
      The reports they cite are a bit light.
      CIHT is very different from the E-cat/Defkalion/Brillouin/Fleischmann/Lenuco/Piantelli/Celani family of devices… Harde to swallow than those LENR/LENR+ anomalous heat.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        They use nickel or – alternative – molybdenum electrodes. Maybe not so far from “classical” LENR?

  • david55

    wow
    I can’t believe my eyes

  • David Nygren
  • Ivone

    The concentration of power of one million times that of an F1 or jet engine is that of a bomb. I find it hard to believe, and if it is to maintaining integrity, they’ll have to bring it down.

  • Ivone

    The concentration of power of one million times that of an F1 or jet engine is that of a bomb. I find it hard to believe, and if it is to maintaining integrity, they’ll have to bring it down.

  • Bob

    I have followed Rossi for the past couple of years and am pretty up to date with that venture. While I have heard about BLP, I know very little about the history or trustworthiness of BLP. Perhaps someone on the list would provide a recap including the positive and negative views.

    Is BLP widely considered “on par” with Rossi / Brillioun / Celani as far being legitimate or are they more on the “magnet motor” / “perpetual motion” machine class of “operators”? ( After all, they are NOT listed on Sterling Allen’s / PESN top five list!!! 🙂 )

    Thanks in advance for any info / thoughts.

    • bachcole

      Good question. All I know is that Perkin Elmer is the real deal. I think that I interviewed with them in the 1980’s. If so, they are a defense contractor. Otherwise, I know them from the semiconductor manufacturing industry. If this were a scam, they would be denying it.

    • GreenWin

      Blacklight, and Dr. Mills pioneered nickel H2 reactions as far back as 1994. Randall Mills posses a remarkable mind and has the scientific breeding to direct it to breakthroughs like this. In all likelihood the Italian Piantelli took some of Mills’ work to inspire his first Ni-H2 experiments.

      “As of now, one U.S. and fifty-eight foreign patents relating to the BlackLight Process, two U.S. patents relating to Millsian modeling, and one U.S. patent relating to the BlackLight molecular laser have been issued. One foreign patent relating to the BlackLight Process has been allowed and is expected to issue shortly. In addition to the patent applications pending or granted in the United States, corresponding applications have been filed or granted in over 50 foreign countries. BlackLight’s intellectual property counsel is Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garret & Dunner, LLP based in Washington, DC

    • LilyLover

      Bob, if you are the same Bob who was an engineer, I urge you to download Dr. Mills’ free books on physics, which to me were quite amazing on their own to merit a Nobel prize even without his Hydrino-Energy discovery. As opposed to everyone else, he has put it all out there, sans trade secrets. He has enabled open source to take over should anything happen to him. If proof lies in the pudding, his books are the pudding.

  • Fortyniner

    IF just 1% of the claims made above are true, then the energy breakthrough of the millennium is here. Its not long until the 28th – I reserve judgement but feel very hopeful. Blacklight have been working for a long time on their inventions, and apart from anything else its good to have two semi-public ‘runners’ in the clean energy race (Rossi may need to shift up a gear or two).

    Incidentally, this seems to be similar to the technology that has been claimed by several ‘water car’ inventors, including Stanley Meyer, who was murdered for his efforts (http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7914) and a number of others (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzsTij4N4uw). Many of these inventions involved standard engines fitted with modified spark plugs and HT power supplies which apparently ‘zapped’ an injected volume of water spray with massive voltage and amperage to create some kind of plasma explosion on the same lines that BL is claiming. I sincerely hope that Blacklight are prepared for some serious interference with their planned demo.

  • IF just a fraction of the claims made above are true, then the energy breakthrough of the millennium is here. If it’s all true then it’s mind-blowing in its implications, including the weapons potential. Its only 2 weeks until the 28th – I reserve judgement but am hopeful that enough of the claims will be openly confirmed to make it a historic day. The phrase ‘solid water based fuel’ is certainly intriguing. Blacklight have been working for a long time on their inventions, and apart from anything else it will be good to have two semi-public ‘runners’ in the clean energy race (Rossi may need to shift up a gear or two).

    Incidentally, this seems to be related to the technology that has been claimed by several ‘water car’ inventors, including Stanley Meyer, who was murdered for his efforts (http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7914) and others making similar claims (http://henrymakow.com/2013/11/Illuminati-Suppress-Water-Powered-Cars.html). Meyer’s claimed system involved standard engines fitted with modified spark plugs and HT power supplies which apparently ‘zapped’ an injected volume of water spray with massive voltage and amperage to create some kind of plasma explosion on the same lines that BL is claiming. I sincerely hope that Blacklight are prepared for some serious interference with their planned demo, just in case the path forward is not entirely clear yet.

  • Foks0904 .

    I wish BLP the best, and hope this demonstration presents somethign substantial, but I’m pretty cynical about them generally. I think Mills is quite sharp and has something, but I don’t think it will ever be made available for mass consumption. BLP has literally been in business for over 20 years and not a single contribution to society has come out. Compare this to Rossi who has only needed a few years to find a distribution partner, and Brillouin who has a partner in South Korea. This isn’t to say that it doesn’t take long to get a product to market, I’ve read that they have encountered many road blocks over the years, it just stresses creduility a bit that its taken so long for BLP, who have literally raised millions, in comparison to others who have worked on far smaller budgets.

    • GreenWin

      BLP has made may contributions to the study of hydrogen and various mechanisms called cold fusion. They have been the focus of repeated attacks from old school fiefdoms like APS and their puppets in government. Dr Mills has many patents most of which confound the orthodox science community. He is most likely a century ahead of this time frame.

      • TVulgaris

        Now there’s a thought, but more likely he was a century ahead 20 years ago…and is very patient. The news of DoE funding LENR grants and the timing of the press releases give some pause.

  • Foks0904 .

    I wish BLP the best, and hope this demonstration presents somethign substantial, but I’m pretty cynical about them generally. I think Mills is quite sharp and has something, but I don’t think it will ever be made available for mass consumption. BLP has literally been in business for over 20 years and not a single contribution to society has come out. Compare this to Rossi who has only needed a few years to find a distribution partner, and Brillouin who has a partner in South Korea. This isn’t to say that it doesn’t take long to get a product to market, I’ve read that they have encountered many road blocks over the years, it just stresses creduility a bit that its taken so long for BLP, who have literally raised millions, in comparison to others who have worked on far smaller budgets.

    • GreenWin

      BLP has made may contributions to the study of hydrogen and various mechanisms called cold fusion. They have been the focus of repeated attacks from old school fiefdoms like APS and their puppets in government. Dr Mills has many patents most of which confound the orthodox science community. He is most likely a century ahead of this time frame.

      • TVulgaris

        Now there’s a thought, but more likely he was a century ahead 20 years ago…and is very patient. The news of DoE funding LENR grants and the timing of the press releases give some pause.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Game over for the rest if this is true… Mind-blowing indeed.
    I look forward to the demonstration, but I reserve judgement for now.

    • ‘Game over’… yes, it’s difficult to see how CF could compete with the claimed energy density and the convenience of electrical output, especially if the projected costs turn out to be even close to the claims. I can’t think of a single application in which it might be superior, given what we understand about the process. As for nuclear fission…

      But for the moment it’s just ‘blacklightsays’. I’ll just have to try not to get over-excited for 14 days – at my age I could easily burn something out.

      • artefact

        I think the basis effect for BLP and Rossi, DGT are the same (Conservation of miracles).
        The energy density should equal Rossis when we finaly know them (when a reactor runs till the end)
        But if they made a cheap reactor not too big with a good cop and electricity production then they dominate the market for some time. For now we don’t know the cop and the W/h.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          I agree. It would be more than surprising if there were two completely independent effects.

          • Maybe separate effects within a single new branch of physics/electrochemistry?

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Well, that depends on how you define the term “effect”. Maybe “mechanism” (without the deterministic connotation) would fit better.

          • Effects possibly defined as ‘resultant phenomena’, c/w implicit determinism. But ‘mechanism’ is better.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          Good point. I think Occam’s razor agrees with you.

      • Warthog

        Game Over? I don’t think so. The energy released by each fusion “instance” is orders of magnitude higher than any possible electronic state electron transition from one electron energy level to another. For a single 2D2–>He4 the energy release is 24 MEV. An electron transition from ground state to a lower hydrino state is probably more like a few EV. If it works as advertised, wonderful, but I suspect that LENR will displace it.

  • pg

    Hi, could anyone explain in easier terms what kind of power generation we are looking at?
    Thank you

    • artefact

      They say they can move the electron around the H atom to lower orbitals then where known before. By that energy is released. I think they say there is an electron orbit which has only 1/137 of the energy level of a normal orbit.

  • pg

    Hi, could anyone explain in easier terms what kind of power generation we are looking at?
    Thank you

    • artefact

      They say they can move the electron around the H atom to lower orbitals then where known before. By that energy is released. I think they say there is an electron orbit which has only 1/137 of the energy level of a normal orbit.

  • bachcole

    Good question. All I know is that Perkin Elmer is the real deal. I think that I interviewed with them in the 1980’s. If so, they are a defense contractor. Otherwise, I know them from the semiconductor manufacturing industry. If this were a scam, they would be denying it.

  • bachcole

    My biggest negative is the talk about 12,000 amps. That is a lot of amps.

    • A capacitor discharge could produce that quite easily – for a few microseconds.

  • Credo

    “Those interested in attending … ” If you attend, I suggest sitting in the back row. 10MW generated in a cubic foot of space? Ummm … Having all those bodies in front of you to absorb any potential devastation might make for a good precaution 🙂 … Obviously they will be demoing something different than a completed device as specified in their “system engineering design”. It will be something much more ‘proof of concept’ and probably very unclear as to how or if it is working and whether it could ever be scaled up. But that’s just a skeptical opinion.

  • Daniel Maris

    R Hopeful on Independent E Cat News comments:

    “They will put 12.000 amps through water and flash it to plasma: so what, that
    is called an arc furnace.

    Then there will be convoluted calculations to estimate the power of the
    plasma. Like the DGT demonstration, but even harder to track down.

    This is BS.”

    Any comments on that? It’s true there have been many fizz and pop sparks-aflying videos that amount to nothing. Would Enser put their name to that?

    • bachcole

      I confess that what we are able to read from the article scientifically is spotty at best. I am just looking at the soft/social evidence, which does NOT include the history of BLP, which I don’t know anything about. I do know that BLP has been one of the examples that skeptopaths have used for scam operations; this is good since we will be able to use their wrongness to beat them up. (:->)

  • Key assertions from the press release:

    * 10 GW/liter… one liter of water is 1 kg of mass. So BlackLight asserts a “fuel” power density of 10 GW/kg. Power density is a measure of “how fast you can get energy out of your device.” 10 GW/kg is astonishingly high and could power just about anything you want with very little mass. Think of something that could power your entire house with something smaller than a AAA battery if they could manage to engineer a device that small.

    * Because so little mass is used and can be extracted from the environment, BlackLight’s SF-CIHT device is comparable to renewable energy devices like wind turbines and solar cells. Effectively the fuel never runs out. Accordingly, the energy density of the fuel (as opposed to power density) is effectively infinite. You can play around with that a bit by using the mass of the device itself and assuming it breaks after awhile and needs to be replaced….

    * So if you take their assertion of 10 MW (electric) from a 1 cubic foot device and assume it weighs about 1000 kilograms and that it breaks after 1 year you get 10 MW x ~31×10^9 seconds / ~1000 kg = ~ 3.1 x 10^14 J/kg. This is superior to the 6-month E-Cats by about 1 or 2 orders of magnitude. And if they can make a device that lasts longer than a year the comparison only gets more favorable. Plus it’s kind of apples and oranges anyway.

    * However they also claim energy release of 100 times gasoline. This would peg the effective specific energy at more like 1×10^10 J/kg. This is inferior to LENR+ by about 2 or 3 orders of magnitude. But it kind of doesn’t matter since they can get their fuel from the environment.

    * Requires current of 12 kA to operate. That might slow its residential adoption.

    * $10-$100 per kW. I assume this means what they think the device will cost. So if you want a 10kW sucker for your house it’ll run you up to $1k. Not bad at all. Then of course operation is essentially free as it just acts like a dehumidifier and sucks the water out of the air when it needs more. Early adopters could make a ton selling extra juice back to the grid in areas where that’s allowed.

    * Hydrinos. Nobody seems to believe in this alternate form of hydrogen but them. Although I must admit that dark matter being a form of hydrogen rings true to me.

    * 3rd party validations. Demo coming. What will a live demo prove? Nothing I guess unless it’s exceptionally well crafted to eliminate any doubt, which I guess is possible with the amounts of energy they are talking about.

    Bottom line: this really is too good to be true. It’s the perfect energy source. Uses water as its fuel and uses so little it can be extracted from the environment. No pollution at all. Inexpensive. If this is for real then LENR+ is murdered in the womb and will be an historical footnote.

    I can’t say that I’m overly optimistic about this but press releases, live demos and ridiculously pie in the sky assertions make me think that either these guys are the real deal or went off the deep end some time ago because that kind of exposure for a fantasy energy source would be professional suicide.

    On Edit: Fixed some specific energy math.

    • pg

      Thanks for the post, it helped (me) understanding a lot. With the kind of energy they are talking about ,shouldn’t it be very easy with a demo to figure out wether what they are saying is true (the substance of it at least) or not?

      • I don’t know what they plan to demo, but they could hypothetically set something convincing up like melting a suspended steel ball with a device the size of a toaster, carefully showing no external wires, ray guns etc. Or they could boil a pool.

        The catch would be that the skeptics could always point to some hidden energy input from somewhere and they’d be right.

        So we’d either have to wait for widespread independent scientific validation or products (sound familiar?). But the good news is that if BlackLight has this device then it should be ridiculously easy to productize it and there are about a million applications for it. So if they remain in R&D after 28 Jan then you know they are full of it. No excuses for not commercializing that kind of capability.

        • pg

          Thanks a lot

    • bachcole

      The power density is a problem. Since I still have to pause for a moment when thinking about power and energy to remember which means which, it may be possible in my mind at least that the writer of the article meant “energy” when they wrote “power”. Otherwise, it doesn’t seem plausible.

      On the other hand, to mention Perkin Elmer and ENSER Corporation seems to confirm the reality of it all. Otherwise, Perkin Elmer and ENSER Corporation would be having press conferences just about right now.

      • The validations, press release and the commitment to a live demo give some cause for hope.

        However unless followed immediately by commercialization and/or a commitment to widespread scientific validation then I would put them on ignore. If they go into another round of raising money for R&D you can safely conclude they are on the take.

        • GreenWin

          If I recall, Blacklight provides details on an experiment any lab can do to confirm some or all of their effect.

  • Marc Ellenbroek

    What is the COP, where does the energy come from? I am quite interested in the theory behind this

    • LENR G

      The wording is ambiguous but toward the end of the article they seem to imply a COP(electric) of 50.

      • tlp

        I think input electricity is needed only at the start up (that 12 kA, but what voltage?), then just add water.
        So the COP is infinite.

        • LENR G

          To me it sounds like it needs either constant or repeated stimulation. But I agree that once the device is started that it could conceivable supply its own activation energy though some clever electrical engineering, capacitors, etc. So its effective COP would be close to infinite.

          It’s an ideal energy source that costs little, refuels itself and can provide as much electricity as you need for just about anything. No more batteries or fossil fuels for anything, period. A different world with unlimited possibilities.

        • catbauer24

          “ten million watts of electricity, enough to power ten thousand homes”
          WRONG. Either 10 kilowatts (10 million watts, enough for one home) or 100 000 kilowatts, enough for 10,000 homes. Seeing this is one 1ft^3 device, and not speaking energy (kWh) and only power, one concludes it is for one home, still very impressive. Also keep in mind BLP had a university validation with fully disclosed Ni-H chemistry long before Rossi ever made any claims (other than starting to work with Focardi in 2007, arguably even that after BLP disclosure). One could make a strong argument he replicated BLP’s work, and decided to work with Focardi.

    • LENR G

      As far as where the energy comes from they are asserting that they have discovered that hydrogen atoms have additional electron orbitals that are possible at low energy levels. So when normal hydrogen converts to this lower energy form of hydrogen that they call a hydrino then all then energy is released, presumably as either kinetic or electromagnetic energy as in normal chemical reactions.

      99.999999% of chemical engineers would laugh in their faces. So the burden of proof is on BlackLight. Put up or shut up.

      • Marc Ellenbroek

        First heating H2O with 12000 Amps, a plasma flash and then assuming it has transferred to a lower energy level seems odd to me. What BP claims is not LENR, but it could be: Assume this vast current causes protons to fuse with electrons. Slow neutrons will fuse with H and O and other nearby atoms producing enormous heat. The fully ionized protons and electrons flow at supersonic speed out of the reactor through the electrodes causing en electric current strong enough to maintain the plasma and producing net electric energy. Explaining it in this way seems a bitt more plausible and you do not need an ‘Hydrino’ , a type of Hydrogen which is not accepted, yet. The article in Wikipedia about Blacklight Power is not very flattering.

        • tlp

          From http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/messages/1614
          where Mills now and then post messages:

          This AM, we issued a press release on an extraordinary breakthrough
          even by BLP’s standards. We will be updating our webpage over the
          next few days with content regarding our remarkable SF-CIHT power
          technology.

          • Fortyniner

            Speaking of ‘going out on a limb’, Mills and BLP are now so far out on one, there is no way back to credibility if the reality doesn’t match the hype.

          • bitplayer

            Maybe we’ll see a kind of Wiley Coyote maneuver, after he chases the Roadrunner off the cliff.

        • Fortyniner

          “The article in Wikipedia about Blacklight Power is not very flattering.”

          They definitely have something then – what more proof is needed.

          • artefact

            🙂

          • GreenWin

            Would this be the font of wisdom Wikipedia invented by a pornographer? The shame!

      • bitplayer

        Atomic bombs are ignited with chemical energy. So putting an electromechanical squeeze on a nucleus to get it to spit has at least one precedent.

  • Marc Ellenbroek

    What is the COP, where does the energy come from? I am quite interested in the theory behind this

    • The wording is ambiguous but toward the end of the article they seem to imply a COP(electric) of 50.

      • tlp

        I think input electricity is needed only at the start up (that 12 kA, but what voltage?), then just add water.
        So the COP is infinite.

        • To me it sounds like it needs either constant or repeated stimulation. But I agree that once the device is started that it could conceivable supply its own activation energy though some clever electrical engineering, capacitors, etc. So its effective COP would be close to infinite.

          It’s an ideal energy source that costs little, refuels itself and can provide as much electricity as you need for just about anything. No more batteries or fossil fuels for anything, period. A different world with unlimited possibilities.

    • As far as where the energy comes from they are asserting that they have discovered that hydrogen atoms have additional electron orbitals that are possible at low energy levels. So when normal hydrogen converts to this lower energy form of hydrogen that they call a hydrino then all that energy is released, presumably as either kinetic or electromagnetic energy as in normal chemical reactions.

      99.999999% of chemical engineers would laugh in their faces. So the burden of proof is on BlackLight. Put up or shut up.

      • Marc Ellenbroek

        First heating H2O with 12000 Amps, a plasma flash and then assuming it has transferred to a lower energy level seems odd to me. What BP claims is not LENR, but it could be: Assume this vast current causes protons to fuse with electrons. Slow neutrons will fuse with H and O and other nearby atoms producing enormous heat. The fully ionized protons and electrons flow at supersonic speed out of the reactor through the electrodes causing en electric current strong enough to maintain the plasma and producing net electric energy. Explaining it in this way seems a bitt more plausible and you do not need an ‘Hydrino’ , a type of Hydrogen which is not accepted, yet. The article in Wikipedia about Blacklight Power is not very flattering.

        • “The article in Wikipedia about Blacklight Power is not very flattering.”

          They definitely have something then – what more proof is needed.

          • artefact

            🙂

          • GreenWin

            Would this be the font of wisdom Wikipedia invented by a pornographer? The shame!

        • bachcole

          Marc, Wickedpedia is irrelevant to anything new or controversial.

  • E_man

    Now I understand to Rossi, why he does not continue with domestic E-cats.
    Wow.

  • Curbina

    Af all of it a single thing stuck in my retin: the fall of the electron to a lower radii. This is something that Dr. Ruggero Santilli says that happens in the production of his “magnecules” of hydrogen. From a theroretical point of view this is important, as Santilli is a man that has put forward a whole theory of everything. Only problem is that a handfull of people on Earth can actually understand what he talks about.

  • Nixter

    It’s interesting to see yet another company announcing a working LENR system, if their data and hardware prove to be as claimed, it will be further confirmation of Cold Fusions authenticity. Blacklight Power does seem to be a year or two behind the E-Cat in its development though, having any new players with dependable independent testing will increase confidence that the Rossi Effect is real. If Defkalion makes a credible case for their reactors, that should push LENR acceptance into the mainstream channels. The believability index for LENR should rise significantly in 2014.

  • John Littlemist

    scientopia.org/blogs/goodmath/2011/12/29/hydrinos-impressive-free-energy-crackpottery/

  • Private Citizen

    12,000 Amps is not unusual for a small spot welder machine.

    Really going to take quite a convincing demo (and hopefully theoretical explanation) to shake the the skep-dar on this one.

  • Private Citizen

    12,000 Amps is not unusual for a small spot welder machine.

    Really going to take quite a convincing demo (and hopefully theoretical explanation) to shake the the skep-dar on this one.

  • david55

    In summery they are saying with ”1 liter” water and ‘1 cubic foot ” reactor they produce 10MW/H for one year.

  • Buck Turgidson

    The problem with the facts given and not given.
    The energy output of four nuclear reactors would require plumbing that makes a supertanker’s engines look small.
    Consider the heat and flow rate of the high pressure output. I sincerely doubt they have built a demo of scale to match their hype.

    This begs the question of what scale they are working at, and how long they have had this reactor live.

    Blacklight does say they have generated millions of watts and have a fuel to power ratio of ten billion watts per liter.

    A million is one ten thousandth of ten Billion. So they are claiming to have converted at most, One thousandth of a liter of water.

    That is not much water and there is no statement of how long a time period they are claiming the reaction was running to do this.
    The potential error in measuring a thousandth liter of water makes any estimate of COP dubious in my opinion.
    Add to the mix the usual inability to measure power output which we have come to expect, and I have severe doubts.

    The hype to proof ratio presented leaves my BS meter pointing to Bogosity.

    • GreenWin

      A rather turgid comment, Buck. Maybe try an original name next time?

    • TVulgaris

      “The potential error in measuring a thousandth liter of water…”
      I can detect the difference between 999 ml and 1l by eye in a reasonably precise graduated cylinder. Can’t you?
      Any decently supplied hobby lab will do better than that by 2 orders of magnitude, and BLP (under several different names under Dr. Mills’ control over the past 20 years) certainly far better than that.

      In the Yahoo! group, Mills’ stated the output was continuous (in the context of lower-output cells with lower COP). Some of the website figures are surely hype, but some of your criticism is from conflating certain ideas. How much power does a 100MW plant generate?

  • ecatworld

    From a 2005 Guardian article:

    Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied electrical engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to have built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company, Blacklight Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation.

    The problem is that according to the rules of quantum mechanics, the physics that governs the behaviour of atoms, the idea is theoretically impossible. “Physicists are quite conservative. It’s not easy to convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. I don’t think [Mills’s] theory should be supported,” said Jan Naudts, a theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp.

    What has much of the physics world up in arms is Dr Mills’s claim that he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron. In his “hydrino”, the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge amounts of energy.

    This is scientific heresy. According to quantum mechanics, electrons can only exist in an atom in strictly defined orbits, and the shortest distance allowed between the proton and electron in hydrogen is fixed. The two particles are simply not allowed to get any closer.

    According to Dr Mills, there can be only one explanation: quantum mechanics must be wrong. “We’ve done a lot of testing. We’ve got 50 independent validation reports, we’ve got 65 peer-reviewed journal articles,” he said. “We ran into this theoretical resistance and there are some vested interests here. People are very strong and fervent protectors of this [quantum] theory that they use.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2005/nov/04/energy.science

    • tlp

      It seem that Jan Naudts changed his mind just after that interview:

      http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0507193.pdf

      “The Klein-Gordon equation of the hydrogen atom has a low-lying
      eigenstate, called hydrino state, with square integrable wavefunction.
      The corresponding spinor solution of Dirac’s equation is not square
      integrable. For this reason the hydrino state has been rejected in the
      early days of quantum mechanics as being unphysical. Maybe it is
      time to change opinion.”

  • Frank Acland

    From a 2005 Guardian article:

    Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied electrical engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to have built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company, Blacklight Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation.

    The problem is that according to the rules of quantum mechanics, the physics that governs the behaviour of atoms, the idea is theoretically impossible. “Physicists are quite conservative. It’s not easy to convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. I don’t think [Mills’s] theory should be supported,” said Jan Naudts, a theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp.

    What has much of the physics world up in arms is Dr Mills’s claim that he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron. In his “hydrino”, the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge amounts of energy.

    This is scientific heresy. According to quantum mechanics, electrons can only exist in an atom in strictly defined orbits, and the shortest distance allowed between the proton and electron in hydrogen is fixed. The two particles are simply not allowed to get any closer.

    According to Dr Mills, there can be only one explanation: quantum mechanics must be wrong. “We’ve done a lot of testing. We’ve got 50 independent validation reports, we’ve got 65 peer-reviewed journal articles,” he said. “We ran into this theoretical resistance and there are some vested interests here. People are very strong and fervent protectors of this [quantum] theory that they use.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2005/nov/04/energy.science

    • tlp

      It seem that Jan Naudts changed his mind just after that interview:

      http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0507193.pdf

      “The Klein-Gordon equation of the hydrogen atom has a low-lying
      eigenstate, called hydrino state, with square integrable wavefunction.
      The corresponding spinor solution of Dirac’s equation is not square
      integrable. For this reason the hydrino state has been rejected in the
      early days of quantum mechanics as being unphysical. Maybe it is
      time to change opinion.”

  • Christopher Calder

    With claims like this Black Light will have to deliver big time.

    I have not heard the name “Perkin Elmer” since I was a teenager and wanted to build my own ruby laser. Perkin Elmer is a big, well established company that pioneered laser technology. If they really did endorse the product, that means allot. They are a serious, well respected company.

    • mecatfish

      Hehe. Perkin Elmer? Arent they the ones that botched the Hubble telescope mirror?

  • With claims like this Black Light will have to deliver big time.

    I have not heard the name “Perkin Elmer” since I was a teenager and wanted to build my own ruby laser. Perkin Elmer is a big, well established company that pioneered laser technology. If they really did endorse the product, that means allot. They are a serious, well respected company.

    • Guest

      Hehe. Perkin Elmer? Arent they the ones that botched the Hubble telescope mirror?

  • otto1923

    Somebody probably already asked this but I’ll ask it again. Is this hydrino stable or is it going to revert, and if so what does that look like? Are these hydrinos hazardous? What quantities are produced? What do you do with them? Could they actually be used for something like refrigeration??

  • Bertuswonkel

    Don’t know how his theory relates to LENR but their device sure looks a lot like the e-cat:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwxHD6d0Msw

    Eugene Mallove always was a strong supporter of BL, found some interesting remarks:
    In the spring of 1991, Dr. Randell Mills et al. reported significant excess heat from ordinary water cells with nickel electrodes, an energy which they deemed to be coming not from nuclear reactions, but from a new form of catalyzed shrinkage reaction via a drastically remodeled form of the hydrogen atom and a re-write of quantum mechanics, which is now called by Mills “Classical Quantum Mechanics” (CQM)

    These explanations (and even the claim of excess heat in ordinary water-based electrochemical cells) did not go over well either with the CF/LENR community or the hard-line Establishment critics of table-top anomalous physics. CF/LENR scientists, themselves outcasts from the Establishment, strangely enough have not paid much attention to Mills’ experimental work. This is most unfortunate, because it is compendious and strongly supportive of excess heat but also of non-standard, highly anomalous, spectral anomalies from hydrogen systems.

    This stance can be explained because of the very strong resistance by CF/LENR theorists to exploring foundational flaws in Standard Quantum Mechanics (SQM). Mills’ CQM work could shed considerable light on the problem of CF/LENR—these are results that cannot and should not be logically separated from efforts to understand CF/LENR results proper.

    Randell Mills, for his part, wants nothing to do with the “cold fusion” field, in part because of the bad “PR” that cold fusion has acquired. But Mills, while accepting that his ”shrunken” (sub-ground state) hydrogen atoms (“hydrinos”) may well cause nuclear reactions due to their more charge- neutral presentation to other nuclei, does not believe that the excess heat being reported in CF/LENR experiments is of nuclear origin.

    • david55

      First time that i heard about rossi 3 years ago and his nickel hydrogen process instantly i thought he replicated Black Light process independently .

      • Rossi propose a classic dry cell with nano structured material, excited by heat…
        for CIHT it seems a wet cell… in self induced mode… prducing electricity ?

        it was never observed by other researchers. I need more evidence to trust that…

        • david55

          CIHT Cell is just 2 years old that can directly generate power and is a evolution of Blacklight Power process that just generated heat . you can see their old technology in validation test video .

    • Ivone

      It is my belief that the two are one and the same physical process.

  • georgehants

    Like to say first that I think GreenWin should have been to busy perusing my Utopian system to waste time looking for reports like this. Ha.
    As Roger has said, with the below paragraph from the report then if anything is amiss then denials from these people should not be long in coming.
    ——
    “We at The ENSER Corporation have performed about thirty tests at our
    premises using BLP’s CIHT electrochemical cells of the type that were
    tested and reported by BLP in the Spring of 2012, and achieved the three
    specified goals,” said Dr. Ethirajulu Dayalan, Engineering Fellow, of
    The ENSER Corporation. “We independently validated BlackLight’s results
    offsite by an unrelated highly qualified third party. We confirmed that
    hydrino was the product of any excess electricity observed by three
    analytical tests on the cell products, and determined that BlackLight
    Power had achieved fifty times higher power density with stabilization
    of the electrodes from corrosion.” Dr. Terry Copeland, who managed
    product development for several electrochemical and energy companies
    including DuPont Company and Duracell added, “Dr. James Pugh (then
    Director of Technology at ENSER) and Dr. Ethirajulu Dayalan participated
    with me in the independent tests of CIHT cells at The ENSER
    Corporation’s Pinellas Park facility in Florida starting on November 28,
    2012. We fabricated and tested CIHT cells capable of continuously
    producing net electrical output that confirmed the fifty-fold stable
    power density increase and hydrino as the product.”

    • GreenWin

      Having read several of Dr. Mills’ papers on fractional H2 or rather, atomic H (Proteum) I have followed his work for years. His early Ni H2 experiments starting around 1994 pioneered what Rossi appears to be perfecting. This particular announcement suggests a rapid, disruption to the fossil/fission markets is imminent. Dr. Mills may be assisted by some “extra” insight into energy mechanics – he is IMO, an astounding human being. George, your Utopian vision would be greatly uplifted by this discovery.

      • georgehants

        GreenWin, once again very excited, but have learned like Peter to let things take there course.
        I have not had a lot to drink but your page name keeps changing lately or have I gone over the hill.

        • GreenWin

          If the name under which I publish changes arbitrarily it is likely due to unconstitutional Read Only Memory-unists. AKA ROMunists – tiny entities with little better to do than peep on others. Probably derived from paranoiac parenting. 🙂

          • georgehants

            Ha, well now I know.
            The name that has been coming up first is – jonnyb – there is a comment in that name several comments up from here, is that you?

          • GreenWin

            I do not post under the name johnnyb. That would be a friend of Chuck Berry. Looks like a johnnyb GOOD year for Cold Fusion, George. Put on your seat belt, ’cause as Ms Davis once said, “It’s gonna be a bumpy ride.”

  • georgehants

    Like to say first that I think GreenWin should have been to busy perusing my Utopian system to waste time looking for reports like this. Ha.
    As Roger has said, with the below paragraph from the report that if anything is amiss then denials from these people should not be long in coming.
    ——
    “We at The ENSER Corporation have performed about thirty tests at our
    premises using BLP’s CIHT electrochemical cells of the type that were
    tested and reported by BLP in the Spring of 2012, and achieved the three
    specified goals,” said Dr. Ethirajulu Dayalan, Engineering Fellow, of
    The ENSER Corporation. “We independently validated BlackLight’s results
    offsite by an unrelated highly qualified third party. We confirmed that
    hydrino was the product of any excess electricity observed by three
    analytical tests on the cell products, and determined that BlackLight
    Power had achieved fifty times higher power density with stabilization
    of the electrodes from corrosion.” Dr. Terry Copeland, who managed
    product development for several electrochemical and energy companies
    including DuPont Company and Duracell added, “Dr. James Pugh (then
    Director of Technology at ENSER) and Dr. Ethirajulu Dayalan participated
    with me in the independent tests of CIHT cells at The ENSER
    Corporation’s Pinellas Park facility in Florida starting on November 28,
    2012. We fabricated and tested CIHT cells capable of continuously
    producing net electrical output that confirmed the fifty-fold stable
    power density increase and hydrino as the product.”

    • GreenWin

      Having read several of Dr. Mills’ papers on fractional H2 or rather, atomic H (Proteum) I have followed his work for years. His early Ni H2 experiments starting around 1994 pioneered what Rossi appears to be perfecting. This particular announcement suggests a rapid, disruption to the fossil/fission markets is imminent. Dr. Mills may be assisted by some “extra” insight into energy mechanics – he is IMO, an astounding human being. George, your Utopian vision would be greatly uplifted by this discovery.

      • georgehants

        GreenWin, once again very excited, but have learned like Peter to let things take there course.
        I have not had a lot to drink but your page name keeps changing lately or have I gone over the hill.

        • GreenWin

          If the name under which I publish changes arbitrarily it is likely due to unconstitutional Read Only Memory-unists. AKA ROMunists – tiny entities with little better to do than peep on others. Probably derived from paranoiac parenting. 🙂

          • georgehants

            Ha, well now I know.
            The name that has been coming up first is – jonnyb – there is a comment in that name several comments up from here, is that you?

          • GreenWin

            I do not post under the name johnnyb. That would be a friend of Chuck Berry. Looks like a johnnyb GOOD year for Cold Fusion, George. Put on your seat belt, ’cause as Ms Davis once said, “It’s gonna be a bumpy ride.”

          • bachcole

            It is already a bumpy ride for me. ?How could BLP make such an announcement, and yet EVERYONE says that hydrinos are bogus?

            Clearly, the standard model of the atom is going to take some serious hits in the next couple of years.

          • GreenWin

            Agreed Roger. While the standard model has worked fairly well in the macro world, it appears that energy – the stuff of atomic and sub-atomic particles – behaves quite differently at the nano-scale. This is wonderful. To think that human beings in the time frame of a single century, can pragmatically believe they understand the fabric and mechanics of the universe is self-destructive hubris.

            What is important is rather than think of new models as “hits” upon older ones, we see them as evolutionary knowledge – built upon earlier models. There should be little reason to fight over learning and knowledge unless some group assumes “they” are right and all else is pseudoscience or trickery. The beginning of the new atomic model may have been the 2012 conference in Torino Italy, The Atom Unexplored.

            Keep in mind that a wave function, represents infinite variability. Particles at fixed energies, momentum, and position are essentially finite.

  • kdk

    This sounds kind of similar to what I had wondered about before here, about an electron getting very close to a proton w/o actually combining to have a nearly net neutral charge, making it easier to slip through the Coulomb barrier.

    A bunch of electrons repulsing each other out with the weak force, but with one of those electrons getting close enough to the proton for the strong force to be effecting it (the idea being that the closer the electron and proton get, the stronger the strong force gets once it starts to kick in, like two magnets and holding the two magnets apart just on the verge of actually touching). So, the collective electrons would be like the hands holding the two magnets from touching (and bringing them that close in the first place).

    Is there anything to this, or is there somewhere somebody could point me towards to understand why this can’t be the case?

    • GreenWin

      kdk, you are in the right ballpark IMO. Mills sees the atom as less “uncertain” as QM suggests. If you were to consider the proton and electron charges as wave functions at opposite phases of a sinusoid – we can see that within a finite segment of time, these two phases begin to cancel each other. Thus, at the point of “physical” approach (electron orbit elongates or contracts spherically) the two waves MAY approach 180 degrees out of phase – thereby effectively neturalizing some or all of the proton’s positive charge. At this point we have something essentially new – a nano-plasma; highly excited atoms that are no longer bound by the strong force since the positive proton is far less positively charged.

      Read some of Mills theory on why atomic structure and “uncertainty” in classic quantum mechanics is questionable. It’s actually quite fun.

      • This idea opens the interesting possibility that both hydrino formation AND cold fusion may take place under certain circumstances, e.g., in self-immolating ‘runaway’ hot cats. If there is a ‘stable’ range in which hydrino formation is the souce of anomalous energy, at the top end of which there is enough energy around to begin driving nuclear fusion on a very local scale, this might explain the importance of NOT pumping too much energy into a hot cat during its ‘regeneration’ phase.

        If so then the obvious course would be to try to reduce the possibility of CF occurring by identifying the sites where it is likely to occur, and eliminating them. Maybe that how Mills came to his SF-CIHT cell. The implication would be that Rossi has a tiger by the tail if he is only controlling ‘runaway’ by limiting input – his hybrid system would always be unstable and potentially dangerous in the event of control system failure.

  • kdk

    Since I’ve already gone out on a limb here, it is somewhat coincidental that ENSER was founded in 1947, and the sorts of things they seem to have been involved in… and I just see DuPont and cringe a little.

  • kdk

    Since I’ve already gone out on a limb here, it is somewhat coincidental that ENSER was founded in 1947… and I just see DuPont and cringe a little.

    • TVulgaris

      At least they’re American aliens, buying from other American aliens.
      Interesting engineering services company, maybe I’ll apply. I don’t think they’ll get much cross-talk if they chip me.

  • tlp

    From http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/messages/1614
    where Mills now and then post messages:

    This AM, we issued a press release on an extraordinary breakthrough
    even by BLP’s standards. We will be updating our webpage over the
    next few days with content regarding our remarkable SF-CIHT power
    technology.

    • Speaking of ‘going out on a limb’, Mills and BLP are now so far out on one, there is no way back to credibility if the reality doesn’t match the hype.

  • fusionrudy

    Does anybody know how dangerous hydrinos are? What happens if they combine again into water? Do we have a waste problem? Maybe Frank could ask BLP directly.

    • jonnyb

      Sounds like Rossi is trying existing know/thought to be known, laws of the universe as his theory, BLP will have a tougher time trying to get Hydrinos accepted, certainly in the short time.

      • Fortyniner

        The main ‘bugbear’ with Rossi-style theories seems to be the possibility of nuclear fusion at low temperatures. The science establishment has dug itself so far down that hole that they will probably welcome a theory that doesn’t involve that particular anathema – even if it does make their heads hurt.

        • GreenWin

          Indeed. Science establishment has dug itself so far down may a hole… AGW, red shift, neuroscience, LENR, etc. There is certain shakeup of these old bugbears due. Probably tied in with refusal to publicly accept evidence of growing numbers of non-terrestrial life forms around us.

          • georgehants

            GreenWin, re. your last sentence that you have mentioned before I think , could you visit Peters reply to me on –
            Bringing Cold Fusion Forward
            I have put a question for you.

          • GreenWin

            Done.

          • Robert K.

            All right.!! This is very exciting ! I hope the BLP demonstration is successful. It will change the world ! . Success does however bring up some interesting questions. What then is the nature of the leftover hydrinos ? Will they, at some time, snap back to their original state and cause (Omigod !) global cooling ? Can they be drunk as ordinary water or will they cause dehydration ? There could be an alternate universe of chemistry here.

      • bkrharold

        Rossis work is backed up by that of many researchers throughout the world who have verified the existence of LENR. Mills and his Hydrinos have no such evidence to support his theories.

        • bitplayer

          “Mills and his Hydrinos have no such evidence to support his theories.”

          Not even close to correct. These comments by themselves have many references to evidence by third parties.

    • Fortyniner

      I’m not sure of my ground, but if such a thing (hydrino) is possible, then the sub-ground-state electron would not be available for either chemical reactions or possibly even molecule formation (H2). If so then I suppose hydrinos would be inert – rather like neon or argon – and would just drift around until their low molecular/atomic weight caused them to leave the atmoshere.

      If any of our physicist commenters know better, then of course I stand corrected!

      • artefact

        I’m not a physicist commenter but I think I remember BLP said exactly that and that the hydrinos are the dark matter in the end.

        • SteveW

          I remember reading about BLP like 10 years ago. At that time they were interested in producing Hydrinos in order to create new chemicals- whatever happened to that.

      • georgehants

        From Vortex
        Axil Axil
        Tue, 14 Jan 2014 10:50:08 -0800
        In general principle, this Mills system looks a lot like the Ni/H reactor
        that DGT is developing. It uses dielectric oxygen and hydrogen gas derived
        from water, transition metal reaction substrates, cyclic spark excitation,
        and an extended period of power discharge after the excitation by the
        spark. It also uses a family of alkali based hydrides as a reaction
        catalyst.
        I wonder what the reaction ash looks like from transmutation? Any tritium?
        helium? iron?
        http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg88833.html

        • Fortyniner

          “…alkali based hydrides as a reaction catalyst.” If so it seems likely that Rossi made his ‘hot cat’ breakthrough when he included lithium hydride or similar in his original reactor design in order to make it independent of an external hydrogen supply. This would have been essential for a ‘domestic’ model that he probably still aimed for at that time.

  • fusionrudy

    Does anybody know how dangerous hydrinos are? What happens if they combine again into water? Do we have a waste problem? Maybe Frank could ask BLP directly.

    • jonnyb

      Sounds like Rossi is trying existing know/thought to be known, laws of the universe as his theory, BLP will have a tougher time trying to get Hydrinos accepted, certainly in the short time.

      • The main ‘bugbear’ with Rossi-style theories seems to be the possibility of nuclear fusion at low temperatures. The science establishment has dug itself so far down that hole that they will probably welcome a theory that doesn’t involve that particular anathema – even if it does make their heads hurt.

        • GreenWin

          Indeed. Science establishment has dug itself so far down may a hole… AGW, red shift, neuroscience, LENR, etc. There is certain shakeup of these old bugbears due. Probably tied in with refusal to publicly accept evidence of growing numbers of non-terrestrial life forms around us.

          • georgehants

            GreenWin, re. your last sentence that you have mentioned before I think , could you visit Peters reply to me on –
            Bringing Cold Fusion Forward
            I have put a question for you.

          • GreenWin

            Done.

      • bkrharold

        Rossis work is backed up by that of many researchers throughout the world who have verified the existence of LENR. Mills and his Hydrinos have no such evidence to support his theories.

        • bachcole

          Another excellent point.

    • I’m not sure of my ground, but if such a thing (hydrino) is possible, then the sub-ground-state electron shell would not be available for chemical reactions or possibly even for molecule formation (H*2 or h2, perhaps). If so then I suppose hydrinos would be inert – rather like neon or argon but with a fraction of the mass – and would just drift around until their low atomic weight caused them to diffuse out of the atmosphere (unless there is some way for the electron to regain it’s ‘missing’ energy, e.g., lightning). In other words – not dangerous at all, and ‘self-disposing’.

      If any of our physicist commenters know better, then of course I stand corrected!

      • artefact

        I’m not a physicist commenter but I think I remember BLP said exactly that and that the hydrinos are the dark matter in the end.

        • SteveW

          I remember reading about BLP like 10 years ago. At that time they were interested in producing Hydrinos in order to create new chemicals- whatever happened to that.

      • georgehants

        From Vortex
        Axil Axil
        Tue, 14 Jan 2014 10:50:08 -0800
        In general principle, this Mills system looks a lot like the Ni/H reactor
        that DGT is developing. It uses dielectric oxygen and hydrogen gas derived
        from water, transition metal reaction substrates, cyclic spark excitation,
        and an extended period of power discharge after the excitation by the
        spark. It also uses a family of alkali based hydrides as a reaction
        catalyst.
        I wonder what the reaction ash looks like from transmutation? Any tritium?
        helium? iron?
        http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg88833.html

        • “…alkali based hydrides as a reaction catalyst.” If so it seems likely that Rossi made his ‘hot cat’ breakthrough when he included lithium hydride or similar in his original reactor design in order to make it independent of an external hydrogen supply. This would have been essential for a ‘domestic’ model that he probably still aimed for at that time.

  • Charles Hansen

    “ten million watts of electricity, enough to power ten thousand homes”
    WRONG. Either 10 kilowatts (10 million watts, enough for one home) or 100 000 kilowatts, enough for 10,000 homes. Seeing this is one 1ft^3 device, and not speaking energy (kWh) and only power, one concludes it is for one home, still very impressive. Also keep in mind BLP had a university validation with fully disclosed Ni-H chemistry long before Rossi ever made any claims (other than starting to work with Focardi in 2007, arguably even that after BLP disclosure). One could make a strong argument he replicated BLP’s work, and decided to work with Focardi.

    edit:
    What could handle an electrical output (or even heat output) in a 1ft^3 device, equal to over 833 electric ranges at full load, for even a second!!?? (assuming 12 kW power for each stove). Sounds a bit like an inevitable explosion to me. So, the time measurement is extremely important for any conclusions.

    • SteveW

      10,000,000 watts = 10,000 KW = 1 KW for 10,000 homes. Average continuous electricity consumption per household ranges from about .7 kw (Europe) to 1.3 kw (United States).

      • Asterix

        Power is not the same as energy. A million watts of power dissipated over the period of a nanosecond is only a milliwatt-second of energy. A house uses perhaps one or two kilowatt-hours continuously (more if electric heating or cooling is involved). Note that the press release didn’t specify the period (at least I didn’t see it) over which the discharge occurred, which might give one a clue as to its energy content.

        • SteveW

          You don’t need a clue to figure it out- hour is assumed. When “100W” is printed on an light bulb, what do you assume?

          • Charles Hansen

            Assumed, yes. But people like to play with assumptions, like hard drive manufacturers advertising numbers in GiB but using the GB unit, while the PC shows the capacity in the real GB unit (which appears lower, but is ultimately equal to, the GiB measure).

            Also the 12 kA measure is useless without volts measurement. With 50x COP… can we assume there was an input power of 200 kW? That is about 17 stoves at full load… or about 3x 8/3 cables per side of the 1ft cube. That’s a lot of power (input). What could dissipate that power for any amount of time? Conclusion: that device could not sustain the rated output for any reasonable amount of time.

          • humblemechanic

            An electric bulb will consume 100 watt as long as it is switched on or burns out.
            With a generating device, especially an experimental one based on exotic physics
            I don’t want to assume anything. The onus is on inventor to tell precisely what it does,
            I am not to curious how it does what it does, just an energy audit, what goes in-
            what comes out.

          • NT

            I would assume 100W per hour of electrical energy consumption from that bulb. However, in this context assumptions need to be removed with actual meanings such as kW/H of electrical energy produced from this device for home usage. The average home might use 12 -15 kW/Day on average, but the peak usage is what a generation unit has to perform too and then also be able to power down to the average or less demand.

        • Charles Hansen

          definitely correct… I couldn’t quite wrap myself around something producing 10K kilowatts of power for any amount of time out of 1ft^3… but the numbers are right if the data proves it… and good point on testing that for a fraction of a second. They should always state in terms of how many kWh were produced, over the time period. Or the power for amount of time. For all we know, it was tested for 1/10,000,000 of a hour, meaning there would have only been 1 Wh of energy produced.

          • Dr. Mills (in a recent Yahoo group communication) is asserting continuous operation at 10 MW power from a device about the size of a desktop computer, with a COP ~100.

            The test reports from ENSER also detail the continuous operation of the cells and continuous production of excess energy.

            I don’t vouch for these results… just trying to make sure we all understand what is being asserted.

          • Charles Hansen

            Thanks for posting the clarification, I noticed the update and was trying to analyze the possibility….

            so 10 MW continuous from 1 foot cube. I ran some numbers through this:

            http://www.solar-wind.co.uk/cable-sizing-DC-cables.html

            random numbers… 100000 Vdc x 100 A (10 MW)… states it could be carried 1km with 11awg !! From that it wouldn’t take much to handle the output. So then again the question, can the box output that!? Amazing if true.

            Is the patent theoretical or from a built device??

      • Charles Hansen

        buggers, yes you are right. 10K kilowatts. And 1 kWh continuous might be feasible per house, so 10K houses…. that just sounded like too much and I had thought they were meaning to state kWh instead of power… but if it really is the instantaneous power, than that is quite something…. even 10K kWh of energy would be amazing.

  • GreenWin

    Blacklight, and Dr. Mills pioneered nickel H2 reactions as far back as 1994. Randall Mills posses a remarkable mind and has the scientific breeding to direct it to breakthroughs like this. In all likelihood the Italian Piantelli took some of Mills’ work to inspire his first Ni-H2 experiments.

    “As of now, one U.S. and fifty-eight foreign patents relating to the BlackLight Process, two U.S. patents relating to Millsian modeling, and one U.S. patent relating to the BlackLight molecular laser have been issued. One foreign patent relating to the BlackLight Process has been allowed and is expected to issue shortly. In addition to the patent applications pending or granted in the United States, corresponding applications have been filed or granted in over 50 foreign countries. BlackLight’s intellectual property counsel is Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garret & Dunner, LLP based in Washington, DC

  • GreenWin

    A rather turgid comment, Buck. Maybe try an original name next time?

  • Sandy

    According to BlackLight, their process releases “the latent energy of the hydrogen atom by forming Hydrinos.” Where did that “latent energy” come from? Terrestrial hydrogen atoms may have acquired their latent energy by being involved in lightning strikes. Earth is struck thousands of times each day by lightning. That process has been going on for more than 4 billion years, and it is going on now.

    • kdk

      I think people have speculated about how Zero-Point Energy and Cold Fusion might be related. Mallove was starting to think about ZPE and advocate some for (or the possibility of) it towards the end of his life, IIRC. Maybe the anti-matter energy which may be not so good to use.

  • Sandy

    According to BlackLight, their process releases “the latent energy of the hydrogen atom by forming Hydrinos.” Where did that “latent energy” come from? Terrestrial hydrogen atoms may have acquired their latent energy by being involved in lightning strikes. Earth is struck thousands of times each day by lightning. That process has been going on for more than 4 billion years, and it is going on now.

    • kdk

      I think people have speculated about how Zero-Point Energy and Cold Fusion might be related. Mallove was starting to think about ZPE and advocate some for (or the possibility of) it towards the end of his life, IIRC. Maybe the anti-matter energy which may be not so good to use.

  • guga

    Compared to BLP, LENR is established science. There is no good reason to believe in the hydrino theory. Don’t get your hopes up high.

    • I agree.
      Just a little room for surprises…

    • bkrharold

      The theory does not make sense. Mills proposes there is an energy state of Hydrogen which is lower than that found in water in its natural state. It is a basic principle of physics that systems always tend to the lowest energy level. If his assertion were true, then all hydrogen everywhere would spontaneously decay to its lowest state releasing enough energy to destroy the Universe!. It is pure and utter nonsense. We should resist all attempts to associate this quackery with LENR.

      • bachcole

        I appreciate your desire to protect LENR. And I completely get your reasoning. But I will await January 28th to see where this goes. It costs me nothing to have an open mind. If BLP were asking me for money, I wouldn’t be quite so open minded. I would need proof positive.

        Perhaps hydrogen is decaying into dark matter all of the time, only we don’t see it. But if so, where is the energy? The background radiation of 3 degrees Kelvin is sort of short of the required heat, and I don’t even need a slide rule to figure that out.

      • NT

        Are you another form of Mary Ugo? Just asking…

        • bkrharold

          Actually it’s maryyugo. Thats pretty funny actually. I was not speaking against LENR, just Mills and his Hydrino theory, which has nothing to do with LENR.

      • GreenWin

        So, you assume that hydrogen in its molecular state as water, is no different than hydrogen participating in a plasma??

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        “It is a basic principle of physics that systems always tend to the lowest energy level.”

        That’s true as we know it. However, with a branch of science that apparently is not well understood, such a thing is not necessary wrong. It could be a situation where this state can only be reached after breaking a higher barrier first. I keep an open mind about this.

        We should have learned by now that LENR type reactions are defying current knowledge.

      • kmarinas86

        “It is a basic principle of physics that systems always tend to the lowest energy level.”

        If what you say is true, why doesn’t everything just spontaneously turn into Nickel-62, the isotope with the highest known binding energy per nucleon? Even a “black hole” is at a lower energy state (gravitational potential energy) than most celestial bodies. Can you guess why systems don’t spontaneously become black holes?

        Rather, your problem appears to be that you have a hard time distinguishing “local minimum” from “global minimum”, or for that matter, when a system is expected to “freefall” to a lower state vs. encountering resistance to meeting one, such as an activation energy requirement, resonance condition, or other variable requirement.

        • bkrharold

          The phenomenon we are discussing is local.
          Perhaps you can explain why hydrogen only “freefalls” into these mysterious hydrinos in Mills experiments, and nowhere else in the Universe.
          A better question is why hasn’t all the hydrogen in the Universe spontaneously transmuted into “hydrinos” releasing a prodigious amount of energy?

          • kmarinas86

            “Perhaps you can explain why hydrogen only ‘freefalls’ into these mysterious hydrinos in Mills experiments, and nowhere else in the Universe.”

            That’s not what Mills claims. Mills uses the hydrino model to explain the anomalously high temperature of the solar corona http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/topics/1494. Some supporters even used it to help explain various aspects of volcanism http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/topics/1339. If you want to know why hydrinos could hide in plain sight all these years, hear what the “horse” himself has to say: http://www.blacklightpower.com/faq/

            ________

            “Isn’t it strange that this more stable form of hydrogen has never been detected before?”

            “The Hydrino is identified as the product by 10 analytical techniques. It is easy to see how Hydrino would escape detection. In an exemplary case such as Raman spectroscopy, there is no known primary peak in the high-energy regions where Hydrino peaks are observed. Another example regards the observation of the emission due to transitions of hydrogen to the Hydrino state. The emission is continuum radiation in the soft X-ray region. This observation requires dense pinch plasma and a grazing EUV spectrometer. There would be no expectation of such high-energy continuum radiation in this region from hydrogen.”

            “Indications are that Hydrino is the dark matter of the universe for which there is a plethora of data. Other astrophysical observations that match Hydrino to dark matter regard the soft X-ray continuum data that we observe from H2 in our lab.”
            ________

            “A better question is why hasn’t all the hydrogen in the Universe spontaneously transmuted into ‘hydrinos’ releasing a prodigious amount of energy?”

            This is very hard if not impossible to summarize in layman terms, but to quote from the “horse’s mouth” so to speak: http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/Physics%20Essays%20PDFs/ClassicalQuantumMechanics_PhysicsEssays_V16_4_2003.pdf

            ________
            “The condition for radiation by a moving point charge given by Haus(12) is that its space-time Fourier transform possess components that are synchronous with waves traveling at the speed of light. Conversely, it is proposed that the condition for nonradiation by an ensemble of moving point charges that makes up a current density function is as follows:”
            “For nonradiative states, the current density function must not possess space-time Fourier components that are synchronous with waves traveling at the speed of light.”
            ________

            The implication in Mills’ model is that without a catalyst to accept energy through a resonant transfer, transition to a hydrino state violates the non-radiation condition, so transition to a hydrino state without the introduction of a catalyst just doesn’t happen.

            I have explained this away in my own words nearly three years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BlackLight_Power/Archive_4#Chemical_process_mystery

            ________
            [SteveBaker said:] “It’s all bullshit because it depends on the supposed ease of getting the hydrogen into this state (using apparatus small enough and safe enough that it could be stuffed under the hood of a car) – if it were that simple, and if energy were liberated in the process – then we’d see hydrino compounds all over the place in nature – and we just don’t.”

            [Kmarinas86 said:] You wouldn’t find hydrino gas in our atmosphere because, theoretically they are supposed to have 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, etc. the diameter of a stand-alone hydrogen atom (though not much lighter than the hydrogen atom). Also, if they are not by themselves, hydrinos would mix in with other chemicals through a strong bonding, and they would be easily ignored. Even if hydrino gas were trapped inside rocks, if you tried exciting it back into a higher state so that it could emit photons spontaneously, so that, for once, you could actually try to observe the rare amounts of hydrinos on the Earth, then it becomes just plain hydrogen before you have “found” it. Too late. Then, there is the point that the only time the electron transition states associated with hydrinos can be observed is either when they are formed or through high-energy spectroscopy. So if hydrinos are in crystals, their identity and nature cannot be ascertained directly through spectroscopic measurements by simply shining just any light on it. XPS as well as other non-trivial analyses are needed. Then there are many types of inter-body interactions that involve other elements which help catalyze hydrinos into existence (though obviously much smaller in number than the countless chemical reactions that may be conceived at all), so it would seem that instead of attributing certain phenomenon to hydrinos, it is attributed to other elements that are involved in these inter-body interactions. And then, when hydrinos are formed, electrical and high-frequency phenomenon are involved – period. Electrical and high-frequency phenomenon are unlikely to occur in enough quantities on this terrestrial planet to accumulate hydrino deposits on the surface. I would think that as soon as the hydrino forms during a lightning strike, then it is already off into space. What is the volume of a lighting strike as a percentage of the volume of the Earth’s atmosphere? Let me guess – next to zero? However, on the Sun you can expect this formation to occur more readily. And again, since the formation of hydrinos involves inter-body interactions between known elements, of course the cause of the coronal spectra will be attributed to those elements and/or complicated inhomogeneous magnetic field behavior and not hydrinos. And then, if for the fact that the majority of hydrinos must form in stars in the first place, what then are the chances that hydrino gas would be trapped inside rocks, or for that matter, merged with other elements in a crystalline lattice, inside planets throughout the process of planet formation, considering that these hydrinos are supposed to have 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, etc. the diameter of a stand-alone hydrogen atom? How would they overcome the simple force of buoyancy then? This is more than just one reason why hydrinos can evade detection even if they did exist.siNkarma86[….]28 February 2011 (UTC)”

  • Sandy

    Message posted by “Randell Mills” today at 9:55 a.m.; “This AM, we issued a press release on an extraordinary breakthrough even by BLP’s standards. We will be updating our webpage over the next few days with content regarding our remarkable SF-CIHT power technology.” http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/topics/1068

    Press release originally posted on BusinessWire, A Berkshire Hathaway Company; http://www.businesswire.com/multimedia/home/20140114005647/en/#.UtWIVHk_6uc

    Brief video included.

  • bkrharold
    • bachcole

      I cannot accept that site, scientopia.org, to be of any value. I have been using homeopathy successfully for myself and my family for the past 44 years. scientopia.org says about homeopathy: “I’ve been meaning to write something about homeopathy at some point, because it’s just so wretchedly stupid.”

      It looks like a skeptopath site. This does not prove that BLP is for real. But it is very easy to put things down.

      • GreenWin

        I ask Frank, our intrepid Admin to flag this “bkrharold” as a troll and save the rest of us from his obvious pseudoscience.

        • bkrharold

          I am disappointed you would think that of me. I am merely stating my own opinion based on the facts as I know them. I am a proponent for LENR and I believe in Rossi and Mike McKubre, but I am very suspicious of Hydrino theory and BLP, they just don’t pass the smell test for me.
          I am old enough to remember the original press conference with Pons and Fleischmann, and my great excitement at the time. I always thought they were telling the truth, they had everything to lose and nothing to gain by lying.

      • bkrharold

        I am perplexed by your response, there was nothing about homeopathy in this link. It is just a scientific deconstruction of the hydrino theory, by someone familiar with Mills. If you care to read it you will see there are good scientific reasons to doubt it. Of course similar arguments might be used against LENR, however we know that it exists because it has been confirmed, and endorsed by many independent scientists all over the world. Hydrino theory does not have that level of confirmation or credibility.

    • Allan Shura

      The technology is definitely not a new form of artificial electric eel.

  • Daniel Maris

    Do you mean “10MwHs every hour for one year”?

  • jonnyb

    When checking the BLP website it is not on their ‘What’s New’ or ‘Press’, maybe they have not updated it, are you sure this story is correct? thanks

    • ecatworld

      Yes, I am sure. I have been in contact with the company today trying to get a ticket to the demo. They got my details and say they will get back to me soon. They say there has been ‘significant’ interest.

      • Sandy

        That’s good news! I initially thought that the BLP press release might be a hoax perpetrated by “Mary Yugo” or some other skeptopath.

        • artefact

          surely not. BLP could sue them like hell.

          • jonnyb

            Thanks for that, can’t wait to see the news on the 28th, most of us wish we could be there, keep us all posted, exciting times I hope.

          • ecatworld

            I hope I can be there, but don’t have an invitation yet.

          • Udi
          • GreenWin

            Udi, the AP, (once a real news organization) the bastion of “If it fits our tiny worldview we’ll cover it” – has also reprinted the Blacklight press release word for word, and then copyrighted it as their own. Have these clowns heard of plagiarism? As of nearly 16 hours after the news release – there is no mainstream coverage of BLP’s remarkable announcement. But there IS plenty of news on Mylie Cyrus and her latest nudery. Thanks the Good Lord!!

      • Buck

        Best of luck on the invitation Frank

    • Udi

      The press release is here:
      http://www.blacklightpower.com/press/011414-2/

      There is a link to it from their home page (“press release”)

  • jonnyb

    When checking the BLP website it is not on their ‘What’s New’ or ‘Press’, maybe they have not updated it, are you sure this story is correct? thanks

    • Frank Acland

      Yes, I am sure. I have been in contact with the company today trying to get a ticket to the demo. They got my details and say they will get back to me soon. They say there has been ‘significant’ interest.

      • Sandy

        That’s good news! I initially thought that the BLP press release might be a hoax perpetrated by “Mary Yugo” or some other skeptopath.

        • artefact

          surely not. BLP could sue them like hell.

          • jonnyb

            Thanks for that, can’t wait to see the news on the 28th, most of us wish we could be there, keep us all posted, exciting times I hope.

          • Frank Acland

            I hope I can be there, but don’t have an invitation yet.

      • Buck

        Best of luck on the invitation Frank

    • Udi

      The press release is here:
      http://www.blacklightpower.com/press/011414-2/

      There is a link to it from their home page (“press release”)

  • Rossi propose a classic dry cell with nano structured material, excited by heat…
    for CIHT it seems a wet cell… in self induced mode… prducing electricity ?

    it was never observed by other researchers. I need more evidence to trust that…

  • Sanjeev

    BLP is strangest case in the field of alternative energy. Even after validation, patents, theories and 20 years of time (and may be funding) there is no product, not even a small toy. I wonder what is going on.
    Many people say that they do such little road shows to get funding from time to time but never come up with anything solid. So far this looks like to be the case, but I do have a little bit of hope left, after all this was validated by a university. Hopefully this year will be the year of BLP.
    If anyone gets to attend the demo, please ask them why are they doing a demo suddenly. Is it for attracting more funding or announcement of a product or a big contract or what?

    • GreenWin

      Could they be working with the guv’ment?

    • nightcreature3

      I remember them signing a contract, some years back, for a power plant somewhere in Italy. I’ve always wondered why it was never invaded by curious journalists.

  • Sanjeev

    BLP is strangest case in the field of alternative energy. Even after validation, patents, theories and 20 years of time (and may be funding) there is no product, not even a small toy. I wonder what is going on.
    Many people say that they do such little road shows to get funding from time to time but never come up with anything solid. So far this looks like to be the case, but I do have a little bit of hope left, after all this was validated by a university. Hopefully this year will be the year of BLP.
    If anyone gets to attend the demo, please ask them why are they doing a demo suddenly. Is it for attracting more funding or announcement of a product or a big contract or what?

    • GreenWin

      Could they be working with the guv’ment?

    • Billy Jackson

      possible black projects? myth goes the military has technology that’s at least 10+ years ahead of civilian.. truth or not.. they do fund a lot of research. obviously thats a broad open statement.. but who knows how such companies survive without some type of hidden funding for so long.

      • GreenWin

        Billy, think it possible that BLP is one of those technology transfer companies that works with offworld scientists??

        • Billy Jackson

          heh .. who knows little green men are always possible and cant be ruled out.. but i think ill stick with the military funding scenario as it seems more plausible.:)

    • nightcreature3

      I remember them signing a contract, some years back, for a power plant somewhere in Italy. I’ve always wondered why it was never invaded by curious journalists.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20101206125528/http://blacklightpower.com/Press%20Releases/BlackLightGeoEnergieLicenseAgreementPressReleaseFINAL032310.htm

      • They signed a number of contracts to supply power when they were working toward thermal-run dynamos. Then Mills came up with the direct-to-electricity fuel cell, and the contracts fell by the wayside.

        I’ve read the six validation reports from May of last year. They are pretty intriguing. Attached to their press release on the BL website today are new reports from the ENSER Corporation, which constructed CIHT fuel cells in their own lab.

        • bachcole

          I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope that this is all true. Disappoint me once, shame on you. Disappoint me twice, shame on me. I will withhold judgment and excitement until at least the 28th. (:->)

  • MikeM

    BLP just put up the link on the “what’s new” page on their site

  • GreenWin

    Interesting experiment in mainstream media. How long will it take for any of these outfits to pick up and comment on this story? Or will it fall behind the democratic iron curtain of MIC??

    BTW, I think Blacklight should invite Dr. Freeman Dysan of Princeton University to observe this demo. Freeman is a very open minded, quite brilliant gentleman within twenty minutes of the demo (if at Blacklight HQ.) If Ernie Moniz (Secretary Energy) had any sense, he would send one of his underlings too. Oh, and maybe AP will send another reporter and photographer to contribute more AP vaporware, as they did at Rossi’s demo.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Greenwin is telling it the way I remember it too. I am curious though if he will feel the need to give us some more revelations about the ecat performance in the coming weeks. He might feel some pressure after this press release.

      • GreenWin

        Zed, go back and look closely at the early Ni-H2 reactors of Dr. Mills. Curiously like those of Dr. Rossi? Dr. Rossi has done a remarkable job in the face of behemoth opposition. Regardless of the acceptance of Mills’ new SF-CIHT – Dr. Rossi has done humanity a “solid” IMO. Very few people would be willing to endure the utter bullsheit of a life offered Rossi, in order to bring a primitive culture (aka humanity) a spiritual and technological step forward.

        Dr. Rossi’s Ni-H2 nanoplasma is not that different from Mill’s H2O vapor plasma. Both alter the fractional ground state of hydrogen. Mills leads in using the plasma motion to induce current in surrounding EM coils. Dr. Rossi has to convert heat to electrical energy like most other thermal power systems. Two technologies. Two markets. Both are GreenWins for humanity. 🙂

  • GreenWin

    Interesting experiment in mainstream media. How long will it take for any of these outfits to pick up and comment on this story? Or will it fall behind the democratic iron curtain of MIC??

    BTW, I think Blacklight should invite Dr. Freeman Dysan of Princeton University to observe this demo. Freeman is a very open minded, quite brilliant gentleman within twenty minutes of the demo (if at Blacklight HQ.) If Ernie Moniz (Secretary Energy) had any sense, he would send one of his underlings too. Oh, and maybe AP will send another reporter and photographer to contribute more AP vaporware, as they did at Rossi’s demo.

  • Christina

    Does Dr. Rossi have any comment on Blacklight’s achievement?

    He’s humble enough to tell it the way it is. Of course, his companies might not let him. 🙂

    • artefact

      He always says he does not comment on competitors.

      • Christina

        Thank you. I forgot that.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Greenwin is telling it the way I remember it too. I am curious though if he will feel the need to give us some more revelations about the ecat performance in the coming weeks. He might feel some pressure after this press release.

      • GreenWin

        Zed, go back and look closely at the early Ni-H2 reactors of Dr. Mills. Curiously like those of Dr. Rossi? Dr. Rossi has done a remarkable job in the face of behemoth opposition. Regardless of the acceptance of Mills’ new SF-CIHT – Dr. Rossi has done humanity a “solid” IMO. Very few people would be willing to endure the utter bullsheit of a life offered Rossi, in order to bring a primitive culture (aka humanity) a spiritual and technological step forward.

        Dr. Rossi’s Ni-H2 nanoplasma is not that different from Mill’s H2O vapor plasma. Both alter the fractional ground state of hydrogen. Mills leads in using the plasma motion to induce current in surrounding EM coils. Dr. Rossi has to convert heat to electrical energy like most other thermal power systems. Two technologies. Two markets. Both are GreenWins for humanity. 🙂

  • paul

    Correct do not get real excited BLP .. as they have come out “several” times over the years and said they were on the verge of a new revolution, then only to disappear into the darkness without a trace )

    • Sandy

      Yes, but this is the first time that they have announced a public demonstration of their revolutionary new technology.

      Maybe they were ordered to delay the introduction of their new technology until after the too-big-to-fail banks could sell all of their shares in companies that produce oil and coal and natural gas and uranium, and the poor dumb suckers like us bought all of those soon-to-be-worthless shares.

      • GreenWin

        Now Sandy, that’s a particularly harsh condemnation of the special fiefdom that uses $trillions in windfall fossil/fission profits to extinguish knowledge of threatening alternative energy. How did you ever become so cynical?? 🙂

  • paul

    Correct do not get real excited BLP .. as they have come out “several” times over the years and said they were on the verge of a new revolution, then only to disappear into the darkness without a trace )

    • bachcole

      This also bothers me. Such a big announcement with big names in their announcement and all, yet they have done this before and no one believes in hydrinos. Please, will anyone who believes in hydrinos please comment and say so.

    • Sandy

      Yes, but this is the first time that they have announced a public demonstration of their revolutionary new technology.

      Maybe they were ordered to delay the introduction of their new technology until after the too-big-to-fail banks could sell all of their shares in companies that produce oil and coal and natural gas and uranium, and the poor dumb suckers like us bought all of those soon-to-be-worthless shares.

      • GreenWin

        Now Sandy, that’s a particularly harsh condemnation of the special fiefdom that uses $trillions in windfall fossil/fission profits to extinguish knowledge of threatening alternative energy. How did you ever become so cynical?? 🙂

  • catbauer24

    buggers, yes you are right. 10K kilowatts. And 1 kWh continuous might be feasible per house, so 10K houses…. that just sounded like too much and I had thought they were meaning to state kWh instead of power… but if it really is the instantaneous power, than that is quite something…. even 10K kWh of energy would be amazing.

  • theBuckWheat

    Let the skeptical examination of the evidence begin!

    • bachcole

      When you say skeptical, do you mean starting out with disbelief. Or do you mean withholding belief or disbelief until the evidence is in? I am of the later school of thought.

  • theBuckWheat

    Let the skeptical examination of the evidence begin!

    • bachcole

      When you say skeptical, do you mean starting out with disbelief. Or do you mean withholding belief or disbelief until the evidence is in? I am of the later school of thought.

  • Pipmon

    The misuse of units is a bit disconcerting.
    If I take my grandfather’s old blacksmith hammer (let’s say 1 Kg) and swing it at the ol’ anvil at say 10 m/s, then if I assume 10% power dissipation (ie 90% of energy rebounds, quite generous) then that means I transferred:
    (1kX100 m**2/s**2X10%)/2 = 5 joules of energy in that event. If I assume that the impact lasted a millisecond, then the transfer rate was 5,000 joules/s or 5 kW. Now assume it was actually a 1 micro second impact (not impossible I imagine), then we’ve got 5,000 kW transfer rate. Swing it at 20 m/s and wow, 20 million Watts!
    So telling me that they generated ‘energy’ and using only Watts to define it doesn’t really clarify the situation too much.

    • LENR G

      No, they are actually claiming continuous *power* output of 10 MW from a device the size of a desktop computer, with a COP ~100.

      They may be full of it, but I don’t think they are trying to confuse us with power/energy unit tricks.

  • Pipmon

    The misuse of units is a bit disconcerting.
    If I take my grandfather’s old blacksmith hammer (let’s say 1 Kg) and swing it at the ol’ anvil at say 10 m/s, then if I assume 10% power dissipation (ie 90% of energy rebounds, quite generous) then that means I transferred:
    (1kX100 m**2/s**2X10%)/2 = 5 joules of energy in that event. If I assume that the impact lasted a millisecond, then the transfer rate was 5,000 joules/s or 5 kW. Now assume it was actually a 1 micro second impact (not impossible I imagine), then we’ve got 5,000 kW transfer rate. Swing it at 20 m/s and wow, 20 million Watts!
    So telling me that they generated ‘energy’ and using only Watts to define it doesn’t really clarify the situation too much.

    • No, they are actually claiming continuous *power* output of 10 MW from a device the size of a desktop computer, with a COP ~100.

      They may be full of it, but I don’t think they are trying to confuse us with power/energy unit tricks.

    • Teslafan

      Agreed. Also they describe it as occurring in .1 ml of liquid. Continuously. I am not a scientist, but am curious about the size of the unit doing this being that of a laptop. Amazing heat tolerance for 1 million watts. I’d sure like to know the comparison of the effects of that kind of temperature (continuous, remember) on various substances. Like iron, steel, titanium tolerance by size of material to 1 megawatt of heat. Anyone know?

  • GreenWin

    I ask Frank, our intrepid Admin to flag this “bkrharold” as a troll and save the rest of us from his obvious pseudoscience.

  • Udi
    • GreenWin

      Udi, the AP, (once a real news organization) the bastion of “If it fits our tiny worldview we’ll cover it” – has also reprinted the Blacklight press release word for word, and then copyrighted it as their own. Have these clowns heard of plagiarism? As of nearly 16 hours after the news release – there is no mainstream coverage of BLP’s remarkable announcement. But there IS plenty of news on Mylie Cyrus and her latest nudery. Thanks the Good Lord!!

  • Udi

    If anyone is from New Jersey, than Dr. Mills of BlackLight Power will be speaking there on March 2nd this year:
    http://www.theharvardclubofprinceton.org/article.html?aid=178

  • Udi

    If anyone is from New Jersey, than Dr. Mills of BlackLight Power will be speaking there on March 2nd this year:
    http://www.theharvardclubofprinceton.org/article.html?aid=178

    • bachcole

      “Randall says” is much better than “Rossi says”. You don’t have to get past the thick Italian accent. (:->)

  • GreenWin

    Billy, think it possible that BLP is one of those technology transfer companies that works with offworld scientists??

  • GreenWin

    Agreed Roger. While the standard model has worked fairly well in the macro world, it appears that energy – the stuff of atomic and sub-atomic particles – behaves quite differently at the nano-scale. This is wonderful. To think that human beings in the time frame of a single century, can pragmatically believe they understand the fabric and mechanics of the universe is self-destructive hubris.

    What is important is rather than think of new models as “hits” upon older ones, we see them as evolutionary knowledge – built upon earlier models. There should be little reason to fight over learning and knowledge unless some group assumes “they” are right and all else is pseudoscience or trickery. The beginning of the new atomic model may have been the 2012 conference in Torino Italy, The Atom Unexplored.

    Keep in mind that a wave function, represents infinite variability. Particles at fixed energies, momentum, and position are essentially finite.

  • NT

    I would assume 100W per hour of electrical energy consumption from that bulb. However, in this context assumptions need to be removed with actual meanings such as kW/H of electrical energy produced from this device for home usage. The average home might use 12 -15 kW/Day on average, but the peak usage is what a generation unit has to perform too and then also be able to power down to the average or less demand.

  • GreenWin

    Wow. Rather heavy editorial changes to the dialog on this one. Must be sensitive.

  • GreenWin

    Wow. Rather heavy editorial changes to the dialog on this one. Must be sensitive.

  • marcus

    Has there been any discussion about timelines towards commercialization. If the claim is true then it seems ready for market. Cannot expect it to be much smaller than a cubic foot to power 10000 homes.

    How long before Home Depot?

    This company comes out every year sounding as if they are market ready and then vanish again.

  • marcus

    Has there been any discussion about timelines towards commercialization. If the claim is true then it seems ready for market. Cannot expect it to be much smaller than a cubic foot to power 10000 homes.

    How long before Home Depot?

    This company comes out every year sounding as if they are market ready and then vanish again.

  • LENR G

    Dr. Mills (in a recent Yahoo group communication) is asserting continuous operation at 10 MW power from a device about the size of a desktop computer, with a COP ~100.

    The test reports from ENSER also detail the continuous operation of the cells and continuous production of excess energy.

    I don’t vouch for these results… just trying to make sure we all understand what is being asserted.

  • bachcole

    I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope that this is all true. Disappoint me once, shame on you. Disappoint me twice, shame on me. I will withhold judgment and excitement until at least the 28th. (:->)

  • Allan Shura

    The technology is definitely not a new form of artificial electric eel.

  • Robert K.

    All right.!! This is very exciting ! I hope the BLP demonstration is successful. It will change the world ! . Success does however bring up some interesting questions. What then is the nature of the leftover hydrinos ? Will they, at some time, snap back to their original state and cause (Omigod !) global cooling ? Can they be drunk as ordinary water or will they cause dehydration ? There could be an alternate universe of chemistry here.