Blacklight Power Jan 28th Demo Thread [Updated]

I’m not quite sure what there will be to report here for a while, but I thought I’d open up a thread for discussion of the Blacklight Power demonstration that is scheduled for tomorrow, January 28th. I personally don’t know anyone who is going to be there, but there may be someone who does — and who might be able to get some news to us here.

I have heard that there will be a video of the proceeding posted on the BLP website sometime after the demonstration is completed, so we will be watching for that.

Just as a review, this is what was stated about tomorrow’s demo by Randell Mills:

The energetic plasma will be demonstrated. The energy and power balances will be measured using a commercial calorimeter that will quantify megaWatt power at a density of billions of watts per liter.

I will also go over the system engineering, hydrino product characterization, and talk about applications and commercialization.

If you hear about news, updates, videos, reports, etc., please post them below.

Many thanks!

UPDATE: We have a report of someone who was at BLP, but not in the demo. ‘Commentor’ wrote:

“I stopped by BLP around midday today the 28th. The demo was going on, my contact said it was going well. No press vehicles in parking lot, just lots of high end cars and one law enforcement vehicle. All 35 spots filled for the lab demo. Here’s hoping that this is the first step in Dr Mills success.”

  • Sanjeev

    On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Randell Mills wrote:
    We will host at least one webcast demonstration so that it will be available for the entire world.
    ———–
    Anyone knows where this webcast can be seen?
    Wishing BLP all the very best. May the force be with them.

  • Sanjeev

    On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Randell Mills wrote:
    We will host at least one webcast demonstration so that it will be available for the entire world.
    ———–
    Anyone knows where this webcast can be seen?
    Wishing BLP all the very best. May the force be with them.

    • Investor

      I am a Blacklight investor. Pleased to see some positive comments here. I am always surprised at the comments made by those who never made the effort to understand what is going on. I have read almost all of Mills’ papers. I have read his three volume physics book. I have consulted with physicists who were willing to take the time to understand what Mills has achieved. I have met with the company and Dr. Mills. Until you do this you do not understand how this should be evaluated. This post is not to discuss the details of the theory. It is about epistemology. How do you know when a theory is correct? 1. Is the theory internally consistent? 2. Does the theory explain everything that current theory explains? 3. Does the theory explain things that current theory does not explain? 4. Does the theory make testable predictions and is the result of the tests positive? 5. Is the theory simpler than currently accepted theory? When you do your due diligence the answer to all of these is yes. Add to that the fact that Mills has been incredibly open publishing his theory in incredible detail. The mathematics is advanced but really so much simpler than required to understand the Standard Model. A strong physics undergraduate can follow most of it. Compare this to anything done in the LENR community and there is no contest. The world changes today.

      • bachcole

        I am not even close to being a strong physics undergraduate, so I will have to see results before I will believe. With respect.

  • david14433

    Oh boy, can’t wait. Everyone your popcorn and soda’s ready? LOL

  • Charles Hansen
    • tlp

      They are indeed using standard Taylor spot welder, something like this:

      http://www.taylor-winfield.com/resistance-welding/RockerArmSpotWelder.shtml

      and there is also ACME spot welder at the background.

      http://seedorffacme.com/rockerarmwelders

      • GreenWin

        That spot welder operates at 450/550V. Mills’ setup runs at 6VDC RMS.

        • tlp

          450/550 is input voltage.

          • The 6Vdc at massive amperage is probably used to flash charge a large capacitor, although I can’t identify one in the setup shown.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I can already hear the voices of the skeptics when they see this huge machine. The same as with the diesel generator in Rossi’s Bologna demonstration. I hope they will anticipate that and invalidate possible objections in a comprehensible way.

        • I agree. Even those who want to accept that the apparatus produces excess energy might be hard put to do so, given the potential input from the welder.

      • Curbina

        That’s what’s used to create the plasma then. I keep seeing paralells to Santilli’s work. He also uses a welder to create the plasma.

    • GreenWin

      The link fails for me . Can you re-post JPG on a different URL?

      • tlp

        We are planning a live demonstration of the hydrino transition, soft X-ray continuum radiation from the solid fuel ignition. This is the apparatus.

        http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/16011825/or/243994867/name/EUV+setup.JPG

        • Deleted

          Edit – actually I meant I had deleted my comment! The image link worked for me second time around so I removed the alternative link I has posted.

          • E-CAT suomi
          • Omega Z

            Great, This picture is upright…

            The others I viewed were upside down.

          • GreenWin

            Peter, you will be very interested in the latest in the US climate change debacle. See my post above re felon EPA Climate Expert John Beale and his deposition describing the NWO-style agenda. As many have suspected, Climate Change is more an extortion racket and attempt to overthrow government, than science.

          • I knew Beale was being prosecuted for defrauding his paymasters of considerable sums, but I wasn’t aware that he was ‘singing’ to mitigate his punishment. I think a quiet little snigger may be in order.

            However if the climategate emails didn’t bust this scam, I don’t suppose this will either. AGW seems to have become a kind of secular religion, a matter of faith that is independent of facts, and it’s often difficult to work out where cynical manipulation ends and dogma begins.

          • GreenWin

            Your quiet provided me a little snigger. Thanks!

          • mm, odd – I replied, but the post has disappeared. The essence was snidey amusement, but an observation that if ‘climategate’ didn’t sink the AGW ship then I doubt anything could. It seems to be a new secular religion and completely immune to facts.

          • For some reason 2 replies have been deleted – I have no idea why. This may follow too.

          • OK thats still here. Previous replies expressed sniggering satisfaction, tempered by the observation that if ‘climategate’ failed to sink the AGW ship, this probably wouldn’t either. AGW is a secular religion that is immune to facts.

            It may well highlight what the EPA is all about though – the same EPA that raised ‘safe’ radiation exposure limits by a factor of up to x100,000 in response to fallout from Fukushima.

            http://www.naturalnews.com/031963_radiation_exposure.html

          • GW – four replies below for the price of one! I’m not sure exactly what happened there, but nothing I tried seemed to get the ‘lost’ comments back, so I just kept re-posting.

          • GW, I tried to reply to your post below but each of 3 replies was auto deleted for some reason. I copied the most recent to clipboard and will paste it below (perhaps a new position will help):

            Previous replies expressed sniggering satisfaction,
            tempered by the observation that if ‘climategate’ failed to sink the
            AGW ship, this probably wouldn’t either. AGW is a secular religion that
            is immune to facts. It may well highlight what the EPA is all about
            though – the same EPA that raised ‘safe’ radiation exposure levels by a
            factor of up to x100,000 in response to fallout from Fukushima.

            http://www.naturalnews.com/031963_radiation_exposure.html

      • Sanjeev
  • Fortyniner

    The phrasing about a video to be posted on the BLP site is vague. It doesn’t even seem to state outright that it will be a recording of the demo – which is evidently intended for prospective clients only – but could be a separate publicity piece or just something akin to a televised science lecture.

    It seems probable that whatever appears will not be a game changer, and may not even further our understanding of what Mills has developed to date, but will most likely be just a ‘taster’ designed to pique the interest of commercial players. Mills will have no interest in keeping bystanders informed, or in giving away more than minimal information, and I don’t think we need get too excited about the forthcoming video.

    • artefact

      Mills wrote on the Yahoo group: “We may film some of it and post it to YouTube. We will probably run a webcast program after this.”
      Not very detailed info.

  • The phrasing about a video to be posted on the BLP site is vague. It doesn’t even seem to state outright that it will be a recording of the demo – which is evidently intended for prospective clients only – but could be a separate publicity piece or just something akin to a televised science lecture.

    It seems probable that whatever appears will not be a game changer, and may not even further our understanding of what Mills has developed to date, but will most likely be just a ‘taster’ designed to pique the interest of commercial players. Mills will have no interest in keeping bystanders informed, or in giving away more than minimal information, and I don’t think we need get too excited about the forthcoming video.

    • artefact

      Mills wrote on the Yahoo group: “We may film some of it and post it to YouTube. We will probably run a webcast program after this.”
      Not very detailed info.

  • tlp

    They are indeed using standard Taylor spot welder, something like this:

    http://www.taylor-winfield.com/resistance-welding/RockerArmSpotWelder.shtml

    and there is also ACME spot welder at the background.

    http://seedorffacme.com/rockerarmwelders

    • GreenWin

      That spot welder operates at 450/550V. Mills’ setup runs at 6VDC RMS.

      • tlp

        450/550 is input voltage.

        • Fortyniner

          The 6Vdc is probably used to flash charge a large capacitor, although I can’t identify one in the setup.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I can already hear the voices of the skeptics when they see this huge machine. The same as with the diesel generator in Rossi’s Bologna demonstration. I hope they will anticipate that and invalidate possible objections in a comprehensible way.

      • Fortyniner

        I agree. Even those who want to accept that the apparatus produces excess energy might be hard put to do so, given the potential input from the welder.

    • Curbina

      That’s what’s used to create the plasma then. I keep seeing paralells to Santilli’s work. He also uses a welder to create the plasma.

  • Chris the 2nd

    What time (& Timezone) will this demo be taking place?

    • artefact

      The press release says at 11 am. The timezone would be interesting.

      • Veblin

        Eastern Standard Time EST = (GMT-5) 11AM EST = 4PM GMT

        • Chris the 2nd

          Thanks Veblin

      • nick

        Well, BLP sits in Cranbury, NJ 08512, and I guess the demo will be on the company ground.
        So it should be east cost time.

  • Steve H

    In anticipation of a successful demonstration by Blacklight Power – I have been thinking how future requests for grants to investigate Anomalous Nuclear Phenomena will be considered.
    I imagine full funding will be showered liberally – as has been the case with Hot Fusion and Global Climate Change.
    Fellow LENR supporters – please feel free to comment/discuss.

    • Manuel Cruz

      It doesn’t work that way, Hot Fusion is an excuse to pour money into the military, and Global Climate Change is an excuse to pour money into politician pockets via country proxy. LERN would have more luck getting investments from private corporations, until they get succesful enough to be bought by the big electrical industries (unless they’re smart enough to refuse the offer)

  • Steve H

    In anticipation of a successful demonstration by Blacklight Power – I have been thinking how future requests for grants to investigate Anomalous Nuclear Phenomena will be considered.
    I imagine full funding will be showered liberally – as has been the case with Hot Fusion and Global Climate Change.
    Fellow LENR supporters – please feel free to comment/discuss.

    • Manuel Cruz

      It doesn’t work that way, Hot Fusion is an excuse to pour money into the military, and Global Climate Change is an excuse to pour money into politician pockets via country proxy. LERN would have more luck getting investments from private corporations, until they get succesful enough to be bought by the big electrical industries (unless they’re smart enough to refuse the offer)

      • Steve H

        Fair point, I’ve read similar comments elsewhere. I still hope it isn’t the case however.

        • GreenWin

          Manuel has it pretty much dead on IMO. Climate we are finding out from sworn depositions today was a ploy to fleece the taxpayer & fossil companies AND to “Change the DNA of the Capitalist System.” The EPA’s head Climate Expert John Beale is now serving 32 months in prison and his testimony is… tearing the head off the EPA beast.
          http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2014/01/22/smoking-gun-new-documents-reveal-obamas-anti-capitalist-agenda/

          And yes, the 62 year “hot fusion” program is exactly that. A tax dollar channel into secret military projects.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            ICF I understand (laser & nuke testing), but I wonder what military related purpose could tokamak technology serve?

          • GreenWin

            Pekka, it is a cash channel. Where bids/budgets are inflated to cover cash diversions. You are correct though. ITER is fairly transparent and likely not diverting much cash outside normal graft. In the US, most of the hidden funding is through intel and DOE agency projects like the NNSA which alone is charging $15-20B in “overruns” to complete its programs.

            On the tech end, ITER is building some giant superconductor magnets – always of certain interest. MHD?

  • friendlyprogrammer

    It would be hard to fake the kind of power they are discussing. This should be an interesting year.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    It would be hard to fake the kind of power they are discussing. This should be an interesting year.

  • Andre Blum

    http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/messages/1691

    Randell Mills

    We are focused on tomorrow. But, we will set it up as soon as we can.

    On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Tom Doyle wrote:

    Thank you.

    When will the webcast take place?

    Tom Doyle

    Sent from my iPad

    • artefact

      Not sure, but from the mail source it looks like if Mills answered that today. That would mean the video will be uploaded tomorrow and only maybe today?

      • Daniel Maris

        Why no live stream? Not good enough.

        • GreenWin

          Daniel “Not good enough” for who? Why do you deserve anything from Mills? You got some kind of skin in the game at BLP?

  • Andre Blum

    http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/messages/1691

    Randell Mills

    We are focused on tomorrow. But, we will set it up as soon as we can.

    On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Tom Doyle wrote:

    Thank you.

    When will the webcast take place?

    Tom Doyle

    Sent from my iPad

    • artefact

      Not sure, but from the mail source it looks like if Mills answered that today. That would mean the video will be uploaded tomorrow and only maybe today?

  • E-CAT suomi

    Blacklight power has published presentation document that they are showing to viewers on Demo:

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation.pdf

    • E-CAT suomi

      delete this post, it was held at 2013

    • Teepee

      This is an older presentation.

    • artefact

      Thanks!
      (the text says: “Summary of recent experimental results and overview of BlackLight Technology with updated animations”)

    • artefact

      Nothing yet about the new SF-CHIT tec.

    • Says January 2013. Is that old stuff or a typo?

      • Old stuff I think. Most of it looks familiar.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I’ve already seen some of these slides, they look indeed impressive. Especially I like the “classical” explanation for phenomena of any order of magnitude in the universe. However, my knowledge of physics is very limited. I would welcome one or more “devil’s advocates” who would scrutinize these statements thoroughly. The bad message is that most mainstream physicists will likely refuse to do it. Mills is not an academic physicist. Absolutely no problem for me, but those who hold the chairs might put the question how somebody who didn’t study physics at a university could find a radically new, breakthrough theory. If this were possible, the role of academic institutions could generally be questioned. I don’t want to sound too pessimistic here, but that’s what is taught by experience of life.

      • Teepee

        didn’t study physics? Some of his bio – Dr. Randell L. Mills, M.D. Harvard Medical School, 1986; BA, Summa Cum Laude, Chemistry, Franklin & Marshall College, 1982; studied electrical engineering at MIT in 1985 – 86

        • Andreas Moraitis

          He isn’t part of the “inner core”, that’s the key. Scientists are usually interested in their own reputation, their institute, their faculty, and their discipline (in that order). Mills may be exxcellent in physics, but medicine, chemistry and electrical engineering do not fit in this scheme.

      • GreenWin

        The role of the university in the last, fifty years has radically changed. In part due to Federal research grants that have become the pork barrel for a fiefdom of oligarchs, spooks and militarists. Just as predicted, rather WARNED in the USA by President Eisenhower on his last day in office. Mills if he has made a breakthrough in physics theory has only done so because he is not a willing part of the MIC that has perverted science in this and other countries.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Not to forget that Fleischmann and Pons were, although established academics, in an outsider position as well. If they hadn’t been electrochemists but physicists, they would probably not even have looked for what they finally found. On the other hand, there was surely a relation between their outsider status and the hard line response of certain academic physicists.

  • artefact

    Thanks!
    (the text says: “Summary of recent experimental results and overview of BlackLight Technology with updated animations”)

  • artefact

    Nothing yet about the new SF-CHIT tec.

  • Says January 2013. Is that old stuff or a typo?

    • Fortyniner

      Old stuff I think. Most of it looks familiar.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I’ve already seen some of these slides, they look indeed impressive. Especially I like the “classical” explanation for phenomena of any order of magnitude in the universe. However, my knowledge of physics is very limited. I would welcome one or more “devil’s advocates” who would scrutinize these statements thoroughly. The bad message is that most mainstream physicists will likely refuse to do it. Mills is not an academic physicist. Absolutely no problem for me, but those who hold the chairs might put the question how somebody who didn’t study physics at a university could find a radically new, breakthrough theory. If this were possible, the role of academic institutions could generally be questioned. I don’t want to sound too pessimistic here, but that’s what is taught by experience of life.

    • GreenWin

      The role of the university in the last, fifty years has radically changed. In part due to Federal research grants that have become the pork barrel for a fiefdom of oligarchs, spooks and militarists. Just as predicted, rather WARNED in the USA by President Eisenhower on his last day in office. Mills if he has made a breakthrough in physics theory has only done so because he is not a willing part of the MIC that has perverted science in this and other countries.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Not to forget that Fleischmann and Pons were, although established academics, in an outsider position as well. If they hadn’t been electrochemists but physicists, they would probably not even have looked for what they finally found. On the other hand, there was surely a relation between their outsider status and the hard line response of certain academic physicists.

  • Daniel Maris

    Judging from the website, BlackLight Power seem to have absolutely no interest in informing people about their demo.

    • Chris the 2nd

      The website in fact seems to be broken accessing from my current location

    • Fortyniner

      If they had, then Frank would have been invited to the demo. I imagine that the attendees will all be representatives of potential new clients. Whatever is posted after the event will be considered incidental to their push to grab commercial/military interest away from Industrial Heat, and I doubt that much effort will go into ‘proving’ anything.

      • Daniel Maris

        Yep = so far, so pathetic.

  • Daniel Maris

    More of the windy stuff we’ve come to expect from them. All they had to do – and they are clearly not a poor outfit – is put a live stream up on their website. I’m fed up with their nonsense, really.

    • GreenWin

      Daniel, you’re sounding more and more like a frustrated skeptopath. Give the guys a chance. The US military has been working with BLP since 1993 and they have no complaints. This appears to be a day in which power of several varieties, changes hands.

      • Daniel Maris

        I am very open to progress being made in this field. As far as I can see BLP have been making the same claims for several years without actually making any progess in reality in terms of developing an over unity device. I believe one should jeer in such circumstances.

        By contrast Rossi’s machines have clearly been evolving, he has given more or less public demonstrations and subjected the devices to validation tests – and now has the backing of big investors who have made known their involvement.

  • GreenWin

    I’ll go out on a limb and say that BlackLight Power’s demo today using a military-type bomb calorimeter is more about watershed changes in power than even a new form of energy. Against the backdrop of Dr. Rossi’s progress to commercialize LENR and this BLP energy demo, we have two significant political events:

    1) President Obama gives his State of the Union address tonight in Washington DC

    2) Extremely damaging testimony from EPA Climate Expert John Beale now serving 32 months in prison for fraud, reveals a very disturbing NWO-style agenda at EPA. And for climate change worldwide. Beale, in sworn depositions spells out a NWO agenda to “Change the DNA of the capitalist system” using climate change at the catalyst ploy.

    IMO, this could topple the entire EPA and multi-trillion dollar climate movement. It is improbable irony that this explosive testimony has gone public on the very day BLP demonstrates billion watts per liter energy, AND the President’s State of the Union. Explosive indeed!

    http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2014/01/22/smoking-gun-new-documents-reveal-obamas-anti-capitalist-agenda/

    • georgehants

      O’ dear have our poor scientists got it all wrong AGAIN.
      Hot Fusion, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
      Global warming, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
      NASA, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
      —-
      Cold Fusion, nothing spent = turns out to be World changing technology

      • GreenWin

        Unfortunately that seems to be the case George. This fellow Beale, a full fledged member of the academic elite was educated at Princeton and helped write the Clean Air Act in 1990. He was the Senior Policy Adviser on climate change at EPA. Beale is married to Nancy Kete, who
        President Barack Obama appointed the National Commission on the BP
        Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling. She is currently
        managing director of the Rockafeller Foundation.

        BTW, I do not think Obama is complicit in any of this.

        • georgehants

          He seems to bring to mind a certain guy (forgot his name, you will know) who gave a talk on cold Fusion and P&F in 89 , debunking everything and was then promoted to, I think presidential adviser to the president.

          • GreenWin

            George, our Admin has more tact than I and removed the short list of names I provided you. I’ll leave it to the prosecutors to track down those who knowingly dismissed CF in the interest of protecting their cabal and the nuclear gravy train. At the expense of the human race. Apologies to Admin.

          • georgehants

            Ha, I saw it before it was stolen, Kroonin (or whatever) was the guy who debunked Cold Fusion and the audience of scientists spontaneously rose to their feet and applauded him.
            I have the link on file if needed.

          • GreenWin

            George, think of this as something like Martin Luther’s Reformation. It will get very messy as the general public learns and reacts to the illegal and greatly immoral manipulation they’ve been subjected to. Many “elite” will go to jail. Beale is just the first of MANY. Keep those links. Attempts to scrub the record are already under way.

          • GreenWin

            Steven Koonin former Chief Scientist at British Petroleum, and CalTech Provost was indeed one of the first “scientists” to suggest that Drs. Pons and Fleischmann were crackpots. He was dismissed from the US DOE a couple years ago after accomplishing little. They can run….

          • Nathan Lewis, the man who ruined cold fusion because he was incompetent in calorimetry and instread of blaming his superior incompetence, he blamed F&P who took 2 years and a career to learn how to make it work perfectly.

            the boopk of beaudette is without any pitty for Nathan Lewis

            For all practical purposes, [cold fusion] ended a mere five weeks after it began, on May 1, 1989, at a dramatic session of the American Physical Society in Baltimore. Although there were numerous presentations at this session, only two truly counted. Steve Koonin and Nathan Lewis, speaking for himself . . . [both] from Caltech, executed between them a perfect blocked shot that cast Cold Fusion right out of the arena of mainstream science.”

            from chapter 5 about Baltimore execution… euh conference.

            other wise there is Seaborg, example of the Manhattan projecte elite that squatted washington as advisor

            http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2523-Why-was-Cold-fusion-declared-quot-Bad-Science-quot-after-a-big-panel-decide-it

          • georgehants

            Alain, now we must ask, what have scientists and science learnt from the Cold Fusion experience and many similar ones happening now and prior to it.
            Great scientists debunked and hurt unjustly, by an establishment and individuals for reasons that can only be described as un-healthy for all.
            It is I think up to all of us to try and put things more to rights.

          • I try.

            did you read Beaudette Books (boring like a report of ICC).

            read it, but avoid coffee meanwhile. Never in my life a so boring (well written anyway) book make me so furious and bouncing. More horrific than Stephen King, enthusiasming like my first book on microprocessor.

          • BroKeeper

            With cold fusion still a farce in most peoples’ mind it would have only degraded his integrity and popularity futher. President Obama did mention nature gas as a bridge between fossil fuels and aternative energy. The only alternative energy that would begin to take hydrocarbon’s place is LENR. So I beieve he is quite aware of its potential and its military development. It’s all about timing.

    • Bertuswonkel

      This is supposed to be a joke, right? An extremely damaging testimony from a compulsive liar, sentenced for fraud?
      Common sense tells you Climate Change is no hoax, one good look at Venus is enough.

      • georgehants

        Bertuswonkel, I just went out and looked at Venus and Damn, I could not see any climate change or did you mean Global Warming.
        O of course to a scientist they mean the same thing, Ha.

        • Bertuswonkel

          You are right, it is fairly constant on Venus, so don’t look there for Climate Change.
          But if you are wondering if CO2 could maybe increase the temperature on a planet, then look at Venus.

          • georgehants

            I Think I would worry about the climate change on Pluto, very cold , that could happen here if we do not keep pumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

          • Bertuswonkel

            Your are right. If we remove all the CO2 we would in be big trouble. It would become very cold and plants would have nothing to breath. It’s all about having the right balance, that determines if a planet is habitable, at least for humans.

          • georgehants

            And you think our scientists are capable of deciding what is the right balance. Ha
            I think I would much rather trust my luck in whatever god is doing the rounds at the moment.
            Maybe you might look at my post directly below this one.

          • Bertuswonkel

            Scientists don’t decide what is the right balance.
            They just look at the historical records.

          • georgehants

            When where the first thermometer records recorded and where.
            Now go back and put a few dollars worth of thermometers in exactly the same positions for a few years.
            Every other measurement is guesswork.
            Then we can see any actual change, that could of course just be a natural variance.
            Scientists do not have a clue, the best Evidence I have seen given for Global Warming by scientists is that earthworms are farting to much.

          • Bertuswonkel

            The evidence is clear:

            http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGI_AR5_SPM_brochure.pdf

            But then again, you off course also think that the IPCC is some sort of hoax.

          • georgehants

            Are you telling me you believe what scientists tell you.
            You have not answered my point regarding thermometers above, which clearly is the only sure and scientific way of comparing.
            Please answer a straight question or goodnight to you.

          • Bertuswonkel

            Goodnight it is, i see no point in continuing this discussion.
            Believe whatever you want to believe, i really don’t care.

            The evidence is clear, if you chose to ignore it, fine that’s up to you.

          • georgehants

            So you could not answer a straight question, good scientist.
            Best wishes.

          • atanguy

            @GeogeH
            “When were the first thermometer records recorded and where”
            So what is your answer?

          • georgehants

            atanguy, I am not the one trying to give Evidence for Global Warming, so when you or our anybody produce the only reliable Evidence of the recorded temperature as I suggest, I will be interested to see them
            Actual Evidence is not something that our wonderful scientists are used to using, they find that “opinion” usual gets them by, until somebody asks an awkward question, then they seem to disappear into the night.

          • atanguy

            George: About your comment
            “Are you telling me you believe what scientists tell you.”
            Most commentators on this blog are on the same side and want to promote and use a new energy that will replace fossil fuels, but maybe for different reasons. Bertus, I believe, thinks that the use of fossil fuels creates or aggravate pollution and has an action on climate change that will impact negatively the life of our specie on earth. Bertus is not the only one,in fact the large majority of scientists think the same with data showing, among other things, the change of average temperatures recorded since pretty much the beginning of 1900’s
            See the link to the last study of IPCC http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGI_AR5_SPM_brochure.pdf.
            You can’t put all scientists in the same bag that the Ones,I call them the politicians scientists, who have denied the existence of CF. I believe the majority of scientists are honest and do their work correctly with a minimum of political interferences.

          • Bertuswonkel

            I don’t like to be called a bad scientist so i looked it up for you.

            http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.at-a-lanta.nl%2Fweia%2FKlimaatverandering.html&act=url

            This site is translate from Dutch. It takes the readings from the same point in the Netherlands, de Bilt.
            There you have the proof you where looking for.
            Good day to you sire.

          • georgehants

            It is only for the Dutch and unreadable in any straight forward way.
            Please supply a clear graph showing temperature readings from all places in the World that have had thermometer readings and the dates of the readings..
            No scientist can work with incomplete data as I am sure you know..
            I hope you are not going to tell me that with the billions spent on this subject the Evidence I am asking for is not readily available for all to see.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I can see a mouse, chased by a cat, which is frightening away the elephant

          • GreenWin

            A mouse, cat, dog and elephant show. Spectacular ratings!!

          • Fortyniner

            The IPCC is a very serious bunch of hoaxers. Did you miss ‘climategate’ Bertuswonkel?

            http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/climategate-emails.pdf

          • Fortyniner

            Good – I can just blame any inadvertant emissions on the nearest earthworm now.

          • GreenWin

            You have to admit, the whole climate agenda was pretty clever. And it fully endorses the ever-so-elite nuclear village worldwide. The goal was to terrify humans enough to keep them hooked on fossil/fission energy. Tax the fossil with a phony Cap N Trade commodity market, and keep building multi-billion dollar fission nuke plants to grease the nuke cartel. Ignominious.

          • georgehants

            What do we think that Cameron is getting out of the deal ?

          • GreenWin

            Cash and Prizes! Like all political winners… Until now.

          • Daniel Maris

            I agree Bachole. He should be doing much better than he is, given all his claims.

          • Fortyniner

            A very generous pension, after he and his party are kicked out of office next year.

          • Bertuswonkel

            That makes no sense what so ever.
            Why in the world would you create a Climate Change hoax to keep people hooked on fossil fuels.
            That is just stupid. Much better would be to never mention CC and pretend all is well.
            Then there is no need for any other source of energy.

            The whole tax idea is also not really convincing. Fuels are already taxed to the max where i live without any Cap N trade scheme. If you want to increase taxes, you can just do that. Why in the world would you first create some elaborate hoax to then tax people. Makes no sense.

          • GreenWin

            Perhaps I didn’t explain well. The nuke village in league with fossil / NWO, invents the climate catastrophe. Initially to provide reason for more nukes (they’re carbon free supposedly) and demand windfall carbon taxes from fossil industry. If fossils go away too soon, well, lucrative windfall taxes do as well. Meanwhile a new industry in clean renewable energy grows keeping big players like GE and Siemens well ahead of the game.

            Climate fears remain the motivator for all the above. Without climate fear, there is little reason to

            A. Build more billion $ nukes.
            B. Expand the clean energy sector (a good idea BTW)
            C. Tax the carloads of poison coal and oil industry
            D. Take expensive junkets to exotic locals to discuss impending doom and gloom
            E. Funnel billions $$ into “climate science” research

          • Fortyniner

            “The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”
            Alexander King, co-founder of the Club of Rome, principal NWO think tank.

            “We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
            Club of Rome member Prof. Stephen Schneider

            http://real-world-news.org/articles-rwn/warming.html

          • georgehants

            Quotes

            “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating
            it, people will eventually come to believe
            it.” and “The bigger the lie, the
            more it will be believed.” are widely
            and incorrectly attributed to Goebbels. It
            is probable that these are the paraphrases
            of the Goebbels’ text “Churchill’s Lie
            Factory” where he said: “The English
            follow the principle that when one lies, one
            should lie big, and stick to it. They keep
            up their lies, even at the risk of looking
            ridiculous.”
            – Jospeh Goebbels, “Aus
            Churchills Lügenfabrik,” 12. january
            1941, Die Zeit ohne Beispiel

          • Bertuswonkel

            This is what an skeptic would post to point out that Rossi is a hoax.
            Still you believe him, but Climate Change noo that must be BS.

          • georgehants

            Are you suggesting that it is not excepted by many that if one is going to lie then do it in big way.
            Are you suggesting that my link is not real.
            Please supply Evidence for your subject and not fall into the hysterics of the average scientist when his unproven “opinions” are questioned.

          • Bertuswonkel

            You can question if the temperature rise is due to Humans or that Natural causes are far more important.
            I would be willing to discuss that.
            But denying that there is a temperature rise is kind of hard i think.
            Temperatures are not hard to measure and have been for a long time.
            There are already many graphs which show that temperature rises.
            You are the one that should deliver a graph which shows that they are not rising.

          • georgehants

            You are the one that is trying to give an “opinion” that Global Warming exists.
            I am asking for proof.
            Are you saying that the simple Evidence I am requesting is not available to you?
            Billions of dollars, millions of man hours, thousands of scientific papers based on “opinion” and unprovable guesses and no records of the temperature readings on the Earth since the invention of the thermometer.
            I think you had better write a letter to one of your science journals asking what has gone wrong.
            Or are you going to continue to avoid agreeing with me that if the records are not available, that is to say the least highly incompetent.

          • Bertuswonkel

            Sure the records are incomplete. But so is the fossil record, would you therefore also concluded that evolution must be a hoax?

            You also have an “opinion” that the temperature is not rising so we both need to provide evidence.
            I think if you would ask all the monitoring stations in the world for their data records they will be happy to send it to you. I don’t have the time for that, would take a while, but it could be interesting, maybe it indeed shows a different trend, now that would get my interest. Temperatures are now usually measured via satellites, at least much of the data used for modeling ect., so over the last decades temperatures have been very well documented. This graph shows the data from 4 different sources:
            http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20110113/509983main_adjusted_annual_temperature_anomalies_final.gif

            These graphs are similar to what the IPCC, and others have made.
            I agreed that much is still uncertain, we will only know the extent of the problem for sure until it actually happens. Maybe there are feedback loops which prevent the earth from getting warming at a certain point.
            We are basically doing a global atmospheric experiment of which the outcomes are still uncertain. I hope you are right and indeed it is not so bad. However, i have seen enough evidence to be concerned about it. The North pole has got a lot smaller in the last 30 year and glaciers are melting fast e.g. Glacier National Park in 1910 150 now fewer than 30. This is all very easy to verify. These things are left over from the last ice age which ended 10.000 years ago. Seems a bit strange that they would all of a sudden melt if the temperature has not increased.

          • georgehants

            You are going round in circles to avoid the obvious total incompetence and perhaps corruption of your science.
            The Evidence I am asking for is elementary to any investigation and if not available, you need to ask WHY.
            Thank you for the discussion, I will leave you to continue your beliefs all-be-it with a total lack of basic data.

          • Bertuswonkel

            Well glad to agree to disagree. Still not sure what kind of evidence you demand form me.
            I did my best to provide some, to bad it is not up to your standards.
            But then again, since you provide zero for your argument i am not too concerned about it.
            I will leave you to continue with your with your believes in conspiracies with a total lack of basic data.
            Best wishes

          • Siril

            My congrats to Cherokee. Nice perfomance

          • GreenWin

            The use of crisis to motivate is not always bad. “Natural” disasters can pull together people is ways few motivators can. These are tolerable. But phony science obviously faked and promoted through layers of propaganda – serving to fuel an elite gravy train – is intolerable. And highly illegal. Heads will roll. People are going to jail.

          • Fortyniner

            A variety of lettuce. Or short for ‘companies’.

          • GreenWin

            Lettuce = LLCs?

          • I don’t know FP, it didn’t say Blacklight was 5 years away it said the power company that invested, today, is hoping to power three thousand homes, in 5 years. Sounds like a big deal was made.

          • Daniel Maris

            If I was a power company and someone came to me saying “I will sell you electricity at one cent per KwH, up to a total of 100 GwHs within the next five years”…well why wouldn’t you sign up to that? It’s a meaningless contract unless the provider does eventually deliver but there’s not reason for the electricity company not to sign – it’s just a cost-free hedge.

          • James Thomas

            if you have read this thread, and don’t see any of what I am refurring to, what good will it do if I quote some of what you have already read???

          • Investor

            I am a Blacklight investor. Pleased to see some positive comments here. I am always surprised at the comments made by those who never made the effort to understand what is going on. I have read almost all of Mills’ papers. I have read his three volume physics book. I have consulted with physicists who were willing to take the time to understand what Mills has achieved. I have met with the company and Dr. Mills. Until you do this you do not understand how this should be evaluated. This post is not to discuss the details of the theory. It is about epistemology. How do you know when a theory is correct? 1. Is the theory internally consistent? 2. Does the theory explain everything that current theory explains? 3. Does the theory explain things that current theory does not explain? 4. Does the theory make testable predictions and is the result of the tests positive? 5. Is the theory simpler than currently accepted theory? When you do your due diligence the answer to all of these is yes. Add to that the fact that Mills has been incredibly open publishing his theory in incredible detail. The mathematics is advanced but really so much simpler than required to understand the Standard Model. A strong physics undergraduate can follow most of it. Compare this to anything done in the LENR community and there is no contest. The world changes today.

          • Bob Greenyer

            So what method was used to determine power out/in?

          • gp

            Hi Investor, thank you for posting. Could you elaborate on how is the world changing today? Do you know what happened at the presentation?

            Thank you

          • Gerard McEk

            I hope you are right. I hope to see today that Mills’ tests of the reactor and what he promised to show us are undeniable and clear without any reason for doubt.

          • Curbina

            Well, here we are all hoping Mr. Investor. I’ve been aware of BLP since around 2006. I was very hooked when the Rowan University validated independently in 2008. I thought then that the technology was ready to market, and as it did not happen I became a little worried that something other than the technology itself was blocking it’s development (I mean some sort of national security concern as covered by the secrecy of inventions act). Were you already an investor back in 2008? Can you shed some more light in what happened today? Thanks in advance.

          • Job001

            Curbina, My best appraisal is that this development represents very difficult to protect IP (Intellectual Property) with a wide variety of ways (embodiments) of doing it. This makes the patent at:
            http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/Power%20Generation%20Systems%20and%20Methods%20Patent%20Application.pdf

            rather tedious to digest.

          • Wayne M.

            Your an investor? So identify yourself. I am sure Dr. Mills would be pleased with your comments.

            Of course, I know you won’t because you are sworn to secrecy or you have an Non-disclosure Agreement or your mother would be embarrassed with what you did with your allowance. This seems to be the common thread that holds up all those energy plates in the air. Dr. Mills says; Dr. Rossi says. Schematics and teaser demos without transparently built machines to back them up. Unlike Dr. Rossi, Dr. Mills openly writes about his IP. So at this point, what is there left for BLP to hide?

            I guess the identity of the investors. Classic. This silliness just keeps going on and on.

          • GreenWin

            Hi Wayne. Nice to see a skeptic from the other side over here, sorta. If a person chooses to exercise his Fourth Amendment right to privacy – who are you to judge that? You have no cogent response to Investor’s very poignant discussion of Dr. Mills’ work. “Silliness” “Nonsense” keystone troll words.

          • Daniel Maris

            Mr Mills chose to exercise his right to claim he was going to carry out an open demonstration of an over-unity energy technology. That claim now appears to be completely hollow. If you know differently, please enlighten us.

          • Job001

            It’s not over-unity if the energy source is atomic any more than the sun should have run out of energy billions of years ago given the same over-unity slander. Suggest you read the demo release including 8GW under contract from different utilities before todays demo:
            http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/businesspresentation-web.pdf
            PS:I try to maintain a neutral posture, agitating for science and against marketing mendacity.

          • Daniel Maris

            ..and still no working device of any note.

          • BroKeeper

            Hello! …. Mr. Investor could you throw us a bone here?

          • GreenWin

            Thanks Investor. There are many here that do not know epistemology or that Mills has published huge volumes of data and details on his work and theory over the last 20 years. He has many investors. You do not have to attend Wharton School to know that with $80M+ invested over 20 years and ZERO sign of investor or legal complaint – means people are reasonably happy. Mills is a scientist as opposed to product manufacturer / inventor like Rossi. They both are doing this world a lot of good in my opinion. Again thanks for the breath of fresh thinking.

          • Iggy Dalrymple

            Epistemology……is that a sub-specialty of urology?

          • GreenWin

            I think it means you’ve pissed OFF a lot of people. Which means you’re doing something good.

          • Buck

            Mills has proven only one thing to me: He is very willing to manipulate with his PR about a 10MW reactor and then do a non-demonstration with only a re-dated 11 month old PPT presentation for a device that would only take 2 more weeks to build with off the shelf parts. I am left with an unflattering picture of Mills.

          • Daniel Maris

            I agree entirely. If your theory is that good, and the device deisgn so simple, you ought to be able to come up with a half way convincing prototype by now – after several years of telling the world you’ve cracked the problem!

          • GreenWin

            Fascinating, to see the the infection of narrow-minded thought here. It’s so absurd as to suggest a scripted series of comments. Wonderful! We do love theatre!!

          • GreenWin

            Roger, as I’ve noted before, Doc Mills has been in business 20 years. You might consider his work, product and “results” are classified under various national security and or invention secrecy statutes. Maybe the guy who invested $1M 20 years ago has reaped $10M in dividends. Quietly. After all if you invest in Lockheed, some of your dividends and stock appreciation come from many “Black Projects.” Right?

          • Daniel Maris

            Pure fantasy.

          • Daniel Maris

            I suggest you write to Mr Mills and tell him not to raise expectations by talking about open demonstrations of over-unity technology generating billions of watts when he ain’t got that to demonstrate. Why is Mr Mills being so coy about the demo today?

          • GreenWin

            Hmm. Guess you have not read the page of professional validations on CIHT last year. Or the Village Voice article I linked earlier describing in some detail the major players e.g. Siemens Westinghouse that have tested and involved themselves with Doc Mills. But, hey, I respect your right to read data and evidence or not. And Mills has said the MHD tech to convert his plasma to current is “in course.” As Mike McKubre emphasized – a Win for One is a Win for All. I’m on the side of all four players Mike mentioned.

          • Job001

            Thanks investor. I too have read all of Dr Mills publications. I especially appreciate the excellent spectroscopy and bond energy research and models.

          • GreenWin

            Though not read all, I am very impressed with the results and experiment at Harvard Smithsonian labs confirming the UV/soft X-ray lines. The molecular software is also quite stunning. I would not be surprised to see a general adoption of this remarkable tool at most universities. Once the fear and loathing abate.

          • bachcole

            This is why I do not believe in AGW.

          • BroKeeper

            I see a dog catcher, chasing ….. oh never mind.

      • Fortyniner

        Common sense is obviously quite a variable commodity.

        • Bertuswonkel

          True. i should say. My common sense tell me…..

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      What’s up with all the deleted comments to this post?

      • GreenWin

        Zedd, these comments were off topic discussing NASA and possible life on Mars. They are recorded somewhere for posterity though. 🙂

  • GreenWin

    I’ll go out on a limb and say that BlackLight Power’s demo today using a military-type bomb calorimeter is more about watershed changes in power than even a new form of energy. Against the backdrop of Dr. Rossi’s progress to commercialize LENR and this BLP energy demo, we have two significant political events:

    1) President Obama gives his State of the Union address tonight in Washington DC

    2) Extremely damaging testimony from EPA Climate Expert John Beale now serving 32 months in prison for fraud, reveals a very disturbing NWO-style agenda at EPA. And for climate change worldwide. Beale, in sworn depositions spells out a NWO agenda to “Change the DNA of the capitalist system” using climate change at the catalyst ploy.

    IMO, this could topple the entire EPA and multi-trillion dollar climate movement. It is improbable irony that this explosive testimony has gone public on the very day BLP demonstrates billion watts per liter energy, AND the President’s State of the Union. Explosive indeed!

    http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2014/01/22/smoking-gun-new-documents-reveal-obamas-anti-capitalist-agenda/

    • AstralProjectee

      It seems that you are suggesting that climate change is made up and a fraud. Is that right?

    • georgehants

      O’ dear have our poor scientists got it all wrong AGAIN.
      Hot Fusion, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
      Global warming, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
      NASA, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
      —-
      Cold Fusion, nothing spent = turns out to be World changing technology

      • GreenWin

        Unfortunately that seems to be the case George. This fellow Beale, a full fledged member of the academic elite was educated at Princeton and helped write the Clean Air Act in 1990. He was the Senior Policy Adviser on climate change at EPA. Beale is married to Nancy Kete, who
        President Barack Obama appointed the National Commission on the BP
        Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling. She is currently
        managing director of the Rockafeller Foundation.

        BTW, I do not think Obama is complicit in any of this.

        • georgehants

          He seems to bring to mind a certain guy (forgot his name, you will know) who gave a talk on cold Fusion and P&F in 89 , debunking everything and was then promoted to, I think presidential adviser for energy.

          • GreenWin

            There are a whole bunch of scoundrels in that bag George. Koonin from CalTech was a lead. Ballinger et al at MIT hot fusion. Then there is Dick Garwin (built the H-bomb) who advised several Presidents CF was fake. Johnnie Huizenga wrote the book on CF… they may all be too old to prosecute. Or not. Looks like a seminal day in politics and science!

          • Broncobet

            I went to fith grade with Tommy Garwin Richard’s son,even in a class of exceptionally smart people Tommy stood out. Dick Garwin said it was fake,you should have listened.

          • GreenWin

            George, our Admin has more tact than I and removed the short list of names I provided you. I’ll leave it to the prosecutors to track down those who knowingly dismissed CF in the interest of protecting their cabal and the nuclear gravy train. At the expense of the human race. Apologies to Admin.

          • georgehants

            Ha, I saw it before it was stolen, Kroonin (or whatever) was the guy who debunked Cold Fusion and the audience of scientists spontaneously rose to their feet and applauded him.
            I have the link on file if needed.

          • GreenWin

            George, think of this as something like Martin Luther’s Reformation. It will get very messy as the general public learns and reacts to the illegal and greatly immoral manipulation they’ve been subjected to. Many “elite” will go to jail. Beale is just the first of MANY. Keep those links. Attempts to scrub the record are already under way.

          • GreenWin

            Steven Koonin former Chief Scientist at British Petroleum, and CalTech Provost was indeed one of the first “scientists” to suggest that Drs. Pons and Fleischmann were crackpots. He was dismissed from the US DOE a couple years ago after accomplishing little. They can run….

          • Nathan Lewis, the man who ruined cold fusion because he was incompetent in calorimetry and instread of blaming his superior incompetence, he blamed F&P who took 2 years and a career to learn how to make it work perfectly.

            the boopk of beaudette is without any pitty for Nathan Lewis

            http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf#page=90

            “For all practical purposes, [cold fusion] ended a mere five weeks after it began, on May 1, 1989, at a dramatic session of the American Physical Society in Baltimore. Although there were numerous presentations at this session, only two truly counted. Steve Koonin and Nathan Lewis, speaking for himself . . . [both] from Caltech, executed between them a perfect blocked shot that cast Cold Fusion right out of the arena of mainstream science.”

            from chapter 5 about Baltimore execution… euh conference.

            other wise there is Seaborg, example of the Manhattan projecte elite that squatted washington as advisor

            http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2523-Why-was-Cold-fusion-declared-quot-Bad-Science-quot-after-a-big-panel-decide-it

          • georgehants

            Alain, now we must ask, what have scientists and science learnt from the Cold Fusion experience and many similar ones happening now and prior to it.
            Great scientists debunked and hurt unjustly, by an establishment and individuals for reasons that can only be described as un-healthy for all.
            It is I think up to all of us to try and put things more to rights.

          • I try.

            did you read Beaudette Books (boring like a report of ICC).
            http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf

            read it, but avoid coffee meanwhile. Never in my life a so boring (well written anyway) book make me so furious and bouncing. More horrific than Stephen King, enthusiasming like my first book on microprocessor.

          • bachcole

            I flunked my first course on microprocessors because I couldn’t keep my eyes open. But with a 55%, I figured that I knew 55% more than I did before I got an ‘F’. So I took it again and go an ‘A’. It is always good to have a positive attitude.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      What’s up with all the deleted comments to this post?

      • GreenWin

        Zedd, these comments were off topic discussing NASA and possible life on Mars. They are recorded somewhere for posterity though. 🙂

  • Sanjeev

    The main highlight of the presentation is this : They have an advanced thermal power source with Licenses in place with seven firms to offer up to 8,250 MW of power. These are 7 utility cos.
    Although there is still no industrial scale generator, it is planned.
    BLP wants to partner with more cos, OEMS, distributors and target markets with “favorable economies”.

    • gp

      sorry, are you actually seeing the presentation?

      • Sanjeev
        • Christina

          Okay, I went to their site and I am incapable of judging whether or not its real. I’m eager to hear from all you scientist bloggers.

          Does Sanjeev up above mean that it is real; that it is a form of LENR; or is it something different? I am a blind woman looking at an elephant. Help?

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I can see a mouse, chased by a cat, which is frightening away the elephant

          • James Thomas

            I see a dog, chasing a cat, chasing a mouse, which is chasing away an elephant.

          • Brokeeper

            I see a dog catcher, chasing ….. oh never mind.

          • GreenWin

            A mouse, cat, dog and elephant show. Spectacular ratings!!

    • winebuff

      Its 10:30 pacific time. Did the demo go? or was it just blp bluster?

    • pete ross

      What is a ‘cos’?

      • A variety of lettuce. Or short for ‘companies’.

        • GreenWin

          Lettuce = LLCs?

      • Sanjeev

        companies

  • Sanjeev

    companies

  • Bertuswonkel

    Mars is much smaller and too light to hold its atmosphere.
    It probably had 1 in the past and possibly life, it is in the habitable zone.

    However, due to a lack of gravity it could not hold on to it for ever.

    • GreenWin

      Plenty of scientists openly discuss images of plant-like life on Mars at crater bottoms. These “plants” are seasonal, blooming and fading on an annual basis. The martian atmosphere is thin yes, but it exists and in real appearance, un-doctored by NASA it is a lovely, Earthly blue. http://www.marslife.com/colors.htm

      • georgehants

        Pekka, why do you think that your information, that many are aware of, is not released to the general population.
        Is there some good reason that we are missing.

        • US_Citizen71

          Sure, we are Martians! Or at least the descendants of them. At least that is one theory I have read, which goes on to say that the reason that no missing link has been found is that there wasn’t one. Modern humans are a hybrid of Martian and earth bred hominids created in a lab by the last of the Mars born martians. ; )

        • Pekka Janhunen

          GH: are you talking to me? If so, I don’t understand the question.

          • georgehants

            Pekka, sorry I will try again, you said ——
            Plenty of scientists openly discuss images of plant-like life on Mars at
            crater bottoms. These “plants” are seasonal, blooming and fading on an
            annual basis.
            I am asking, what is the explanation for these images.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I saw them some years ago, I think it was Hungarian scientists who had them. At that time some speculated it could be rock covered by ice layer and when sun shines, ice melts a bit and wets the rock which becomes darker. Dust also keeps on moving there, and follows wind patterns which follow seasons. Not possible to say what they are without landing a probe on site and having a look! (But notice it was GW who brought this up.)

          • georgehants

            I have of course seen the images, as spy cameras are of course capable of reading an ants footsteps at fifty miles, would it be unreasonable to ask why NASA does not have close-ups, regularly, for us all to analyse.
            Please put the blame for being off-topic all on me.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            It’s the size (=mass=cost) of the telescope. Spy satellites have bigger budget than Nasa, apparently, plus they don’t have to freight their stuff to Mars orbit. Diffraction limit of optics. And even if one would have some more detailed pictures, one still might not know what they are, without going down. The mass (=cost) of the landing probe is negotiable, though.

          • georgehants

            Pekka thank you, you would not know off-hand the weight size of the average telescope carried in today’s U2 planes would you.

          • Daniel Maris

            Dr Mills clearly likes to perform to a secret elite…while not actually bringing to market any workable device.

  • Commentor

    I stopped by BLP around midday today the 28th. The demo was going on, my contact said it was going well. No press vehicles in parking lot, just lots of high end cars and one law enforcement vehicle. All 35 spots filled for the lab demo. Here’s hoping that this is the first step in Dr Mills success.

    • tlp

      Was there any audience outside, trying to see or hear something? Or maybe that law enforcement vehicle was there to prevent that.

    • Anonimous

      One of the best comments on here all day! Been waiting with baited breath for some REAL info, thank you!

    • GreenWin

      Thank you Commentor. Nice to have a first hand report. This demo seems to have instilled Fear and Loathing in certain of our brethren. Thanks again for taking the time.

  • tuxedis

    No one addressed how behave hydrinos. Are they neutral, are they causing maybe cancer?

    • friendlyprogrammer

      They do not become Gamma Rays (radioactive).

    • Job001

      Hydrinos are part of a science theory, at the observation science level, maybe 0-3 sigma acceptance level, depending on perspective, but not proven to the consensus of most scientists who will require a 6 sigma level theory proof. No science proof is needed to use something that works at even a 1 sigma observation level.
      Assuming Hydrinos exist, they would be very inert, requiring energy to rise back up to regular hydrogen energy level. This is opposite of high energy radiation like gamma rays or x-rays which damage DNA when exposed to high radiation energy.
      Hydrinos would either escape to outer space or absorb high energy radiation and revert to regular hydrogen, (my assumption). The average household consumption of hydrogen may be less than 5 gallons of water per year, releasing oxygen and hydrinos as waste.
      Since the earth has 326 million trillion gallons of water and 7 billion people would use 8 billion gallons per year, this represents a 40 billion year supply.
      No known risk.

  • bachcole

    I am not keen on conspiracy theories, but one came uninvited into my head, and I thought that I would pass it on to you. Given that the US Navy has shown a keen interest in all things LENR, this theory is not completely silly. Let’s say that Randell Mills has the real deal. We already know that Rossi has the real deal. So, what if the US Navy decided to allow Rossi to proceed unhindered knowing that it would distract the Chinese et. al. from looking too closely at Blacklight Power. And suppose the Randell Mills is in on the cover-up, that he should show a demo today that is so absurd and limp that no one would take him seriously, including Chinese and other foreign spies. Then the US Navy could get a jump on a more powerful energy source than anyone else, and the public would still benefit from LENR. This would give the Navy a 10 year head start and still solve a lot of problems.

    • GreenWin

      By evidence I provided you Roger, Randy has been working with the USAF, specifically the Wright Laboratory at WP AFB since around 1993. You think Navy is wrastling with Air Force over this?? Interesting theory though!

      • Omega Z

        Actually GW, The Military branches are Very Competitive with each other. Each wants a bigger piece of the pie.

        However, It’s likely they would work together on this subject as the pieces they have would stretch farther.

        • GreenWin

          Hmmm. VERY astute Omega Z. You’ve given me a much better picture of what’s going on today. Thank you.

          • Omega Z

            Haa. I knew your were aware. Just had to post it.

            I think some of whats going on here is turf war.
            I openly admit I’m pro Rossi, But the more that join in the better.
            Competition Keeps them all honest. Capitalism & Free Market works much better when they have to compete.
            The People win.

  • GreenWin

    Thank you pete ross. Why do I feel a curtain of abject ignorance is rising?? Makes me think back to the courageous work of Harvard MD and novelist, Michael Crichton’s “Climate of Fear.” Michael saw the fraud early on and wrote a good novel. Maybe without the iron curtain, Hollywood will finally MAKE THIS MOVIE!!

  • georgehants

    Pete, strangely I do not have a closed-mind on either Global Warming or Global Cooling, but I do react strongly to situations where selective and even corrupt Evidence is used to try and prove a theory.
    I love True science and True scientists, unfortunate it and they do not deserve at this time anybody’s respect as it has fallen into very muddy and murky waters.

  • Bertuswonkel

    Yes you are right, on average we are still in a rather Cold period in earths long history.
    However, there did not live 7 billion people back then, this kind of complicates things.
    If the climate change 1000 years ago you would move somewhere else, this is not possible anymore.
    The earth will be fine, the question can people cope with the change.

  • Sandy

    The BlackLight Power presentation titled “January 2014” reads, “Using readily-available components, BlackLight has developed a system engineering design of an electric generator that is closed except for the addition of H2O fuel and generates 10 MW of electricity…”

    In other words, BlackLight Power has developed a “design” for an electric generator, not an actual electric generator.

    At this point, BLP appears to be a psyop designed to sabotage the introduction of LENR technologies. And I would not be surprised if it is a military psyop (psychological operation) designed to ensure that petroleum will continue to be sold internationality for U.S. dollars, thereby maintaining U.S. “monetary hegemony”; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_hegemony

    • friendlyprogrammer

      If it were, then it would be over 25 years in the making. Another issue with it being a LENR sabotage is Dr. Mills would be flabbergasted if you described this as LENR.

      In the age of the Internet, garage scientists, and entire libraries and video libraries at your fingertips technology will be harder to suppress, if not impossible. I know I would start researching this myself if it faded away because of a mysterious overseer.

      A major flaw with this technology and LENR is they are less complicated in theory than a dollar store flashlight, and can be built with off the shelf parts.

      The world has never seen copyright infringements like it will when either of these technologies surfaces. Every laid off solar worker will be building these for his neighbors at 1/10 the price.

      I just want my boat to go around the world without sails.

      If you want to invest, choose a magnet or electric motor company, because their business will quadruple once this hits. Even electric heaters. Northern towns might have heated driveways, sidewalks, and bus shelters (and we thought it would help Global Warming).

    • GreenWin

      Hardly Sandy. Dr. Mills has many enemies from science orthodoxy. Some are automated bots, programmed to post on alternative energy web sites. Some of these bots do in fact work for military psyops. Most work out of their mom’s basement. 🙂 Lighten up Sandy!! Have some F U N!

  • gp

    is there any news about the BLP presentation?

  • gp

    is there any news about the BLP presentation?

  • tlp

    Was there any audience outside, trying to see or hear something? Or maybe that law enforcement vehicle was there to prevent that.

  • Investor

    I am a Blacklight investor. Pleased to see some positive comments here. I am always surprised at the comments made by those who never made the effort to understand what is going on. I have read almost all of Mills’ papers. I have read his three volume physics book. I have consulted with physicists who were willing to take the time to understand what Mills has achieved. I have met with the company and Dr. Mills. Until you do this you do not understand how this should be evaluated. This post is not to discuss the details of the theory. It is about epistemology. How do you know when a theory is correct? 1. Is the theory internally consistent? 2. Does the theory explain everything that current theory explains? 3. Does the theory explain things that current theory does not explain? 4. Does the theory make testable predictions and is the result of the tests positive? 5. Is the theory simpler than currently accepted theory? When you do your due diligence the answer to all of these is yes. Add to that the fact that Mills has been incredibly open publishing his theory in incredible detail. The mathematics is advanced but really so much simpler than required to understand the Standard Model. A strong physics undergraduate can follow most of it. Compare this to anything done in the LENR community and there is no contest. The world changes today.

    • Bob Greenyer

      So what method was used to determine power out/in?

    • gp

      Hi Investor, thank you for posting. Could you elaborate on how is the world changing today? Do you know what happened at the presentation?

      Thank you

    • Gerard McEk

      I hope you are right. I hope to see today that Mills’ tests of the reactor and what he promised to show us are undeniable and clear without any reason for doubt.

    • Curbina

      Well, here we are all hoping Mr. Investor. I’ve been aware of BLP since around 2006. I was very hooked when the Rowan University validated independently in 2008. I thought then that the technology was ready to market, and as it did not happen I became a little worried that something other than the technology itself was blocking it’s development (I mean some sort of national security concern as covered by the secrecy of inventions act). Were you already an investor back in 2008? Can you shed some more light in what happened today? Thanks in advance.

    • Wayne M.

      Your an investor? So identify yourself. I am sure Dr. Mills would be pleased with your comments.

      Of course, I know you won’t because you are sworn to secrecy or you have an Non-disclosure Agreement or your mother would be embarrassed with what you did with your allowance. This seems to be the common thread that holds up all those energy plates in the air. Dr. Mills says; Dr. Rossi says. Schematics and teaser demos without transparently built machines to back them up. Unlike Dr. Rossi, Dr. Mills openly writes about his IP. So at this point, what is there left for BLP to hide?

      I guess the identity of the investors. Classic. This silliness just keeps going on and on.

      • GreenWin

        Hi Wayne. Nice to see a skeptic from the other side over here, sorta. If a person chooses to exercise his Fourth Amendment right to privacy – who are you to judge that? You have no cogent response to Investor’s very poignant discussion of Dr. Mills’ work. “Silliness” “Nonsense” keystone troll words.

        • Wayne M.

          Hi GreenWin,

          Actually, I hope Dr. Rossi and Dr. Mills do have something.
          It’s what draws me back to these websites for years. It seems unlikely that after all this time, money, and the
          involvement of dozens of smart credentialed scientists, that it is a complete fraud.

          However, I still don’t know what the truth really is after all these years. Can’t these
          gentlemen stop with the dubious reasons for all the disclaimers about why they
          can’t talk? NDA’s, secrecy, anonymous investors, inscrutable statements,
          protecting intellectual property, military projects, NSA, non-demo demos, etc.
          Now you’re tossing in the Fourth Amendment? Really? Why don’t we
          also throw in the Fifth Amendment too for the skeptics? They think Dr. Rossi
          and Dr. Mills are criminal scam artists.

          The good doctors IP’ are not about communicating with the Reptilian Overlords that live in the
          Andromeda galaxy or the secret world government operated by the Illuminati.
          Their intellectual property is about a furnace.

          Thanks to some of the investigative work done by this website and others, we finally know who Dr. Rossi’s
          American partner is and the sun still shines.

          So at this point in time, Dr. Mills has been ‘at it’ for 20 years and has had $90m to spend. He
          says you could put together his machine with off the shelf parts. He initiates
          a press release to let the world know of this fantastic invention that will revolutionize the world (per Dr. Mills).

          So what happens? He can’t find a room that will hold more than 30 of his closest investors (who are
          not to be named of course). He doesn’t have the ‘final’ commercial machine ready even though he makes it sound like I could cobble it together in my basement. It’s all schematics, self-aggrandizing
          statements, white papers, and we are almost there. However, the details are a secret. Another non-demo demo. Why? I guess to protect the children.

          Like I said, this silliness just keeps on going on and on.

          • GreenWin

            Not a very cogent argument Wayne but.. nice try!

    • Herb Gillis

      From a practical perspective the thing that counts is a device that produces useful energy. Is that what you saw at today’s demo?

      • bachcole

        What Herb said, except I would like to add that if there was no device which produces excess energy, then the rest of the demo was a complete waste of time. If there was a device which produces excess energy, then everything else at the demo is just wonderful.

    • Brokeeper

      Hello! …. Mr. Investor could you throw us a bone here?

    • bachcole

      Investor, I should have mentioned that MY epistemology is results.

    • GreenWin

      Thanks Investor. There are many here that do not know epistemology or that Mills has published huge volumes of data and details on his work and theory over the last 20 years. He has many investors. You do not have to attend Wharton School to know that with $80M+ invested over 20 years and ZERO sign of investor or legal complaint – means people are reasonably happy. Mills is a scientist as opposed to product manufacturer / inventor like Rossi. They both are doing this world a lot of good in my opinion. Again thanks for the breath of fresh thinking.

      • bachcole

        Will reams and reams of data and theory keep my house warm, except of course if I burn the reams and reams in a fireplace?

        If I had invested $1 million 20 years ago, I would have been hopping mad 10 years ago, so you make a point.

        • GreenWin

          Roger, as I’ve noted before, Doc Mills has been in business 20 years. You might consider his work, product and “results” are classified under various national security and or invention secrecy statutes. Maybe the guy who invested $1M 20 years ago has reaped $10M in dividends. Quietly. After all if you invest in Lockheed, some of your dividends and stock appreciation come from many “Black Projects.” Right?

          • bachcole

            In January of 2011, Rossi showed people his E-Cat. Again in October he showed people his E-Cat, twice. I saw those videos. I believe that there were other times between January and October that he showed people his E-Cat. I am a really dopey believer type guy. If you tell me that you saw Rossi (or Mills) show off his device, I am inclined to believe you. NO ONE has even told me that they have seen Mills’ device. All he has shown me are computer models. Computer models don’t convince me with AGW; they don’t keep me warm in the wee hours when it gets so cold in our house; they don’t convince me of squat. I want to believe. Really. But you need to give me something real to believe in. When I hear reports from reliable people other than Mills that he has a device, I will believe them. Honest.

          • GreenWin

            Hmm. Guess you have not read the page of professional validations on CIHT last year. Or the Village Voice article I linked earlier describing in some detail the major players e.g. Siemens Westinghouse that have tested and involved themselves with Doc Mills. But, hey, I respect your right to read data and evidence or not. And Mills has said the MHD tech to convert his plasma to current is “in course.” As Mike McKubre emphasized – a Win for One is a Win for All. I’m on the side of all four players Mike mentioned.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        Epistemology……is that a sub-specialty of urology?

        • bachcole

          It is closely related to Urotherapy.

        • GreenWin

          I think it means you’ve pissed OFF a lot of people. Which means you’re doing something good.

    • Buck

      Mills has proven only one thing to me: He is very willing to manipulate with his PR about a 10MW reactor presented during a public demonstration and then do a non-demonstration with only a re-dated 11 month old PPT presentation from 2/26/13 for a device that would only take 2 more weeks to build with off the shelf parts. I am left with an unflattering picture of Mills.

      • bachcole

        Yes, I’m sorry, but all of the theory in the world is useless without results, and Mills has had 20 years to come up with results.

        • Job001

          It’s only about 10 years since CF got away from the non-productive wet chemistry route, a short time for sophisticated and world-altering research and patents.

    • Job001

      Thanks investor. I too have read all of Dr Mills publications. I especially appreciate the excellent spectroscopy and bond energy research and models.

      • GreenWin

        Though not read all, I am very impressed with the results and experiment at Harvard Smithsonian labs confirming the UV/soft X-ray lines. The molecular software is also quite stunning. I would not be surprised to see a general adoption of this remarkable tool at most universities. Once the fear and loathing abate.

  • Bertuswonkel

    Nice graphs, the first one shows nicely that indeed temperatures have not been stable.
    Sometimes it is a bit warmer, sometimes a bit colder. But what happens if you change the CO2 not with 10-20 PPM but with 150-200 PPM, what will happen than. That’s not on the graph.
    I agree that the strong relationship between CO2 and temperature is not 100% certain.
    Still it seem to be a fairly large coincidence that just about the time we start poring significant amounts of CO2 (and other greenhouse gasses) into the atmosphere the temperate suddenly rises quickly (at least on geological time scales). Maybe human CC is not 100% certain, sure you can question anything, but is that really a chance we want to take? You can only be 100% certain if you observe it, but i don’t know if that would be an experiment we want to do.

  • Donald Ustik

    How does one “invest” in Blacklight?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Short oil/gas, not a bad play since Iraq wants to move to 9 mbpd (resulting in significant excess production margin) and Japan is looking to re-start their fission reactors (they are currently using near 25% of worlds LNG)

  • anony-mouse

    im sorry to bring the intelligence level down in here .. but what a load of hooey, no news all day .. i mean what the heck is going on, some guy sat here saying he is an investor, well tell us whats happening 🙁

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      I certainly agree. What a miserable day on the information front. I have learned nothing at all about BLP or the demo. Hope we soon get some more news or a video, as this demo was clearly not intended to grab headlines.

    • GreenWin

      It’s OK anon. Intelligence was down already.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Short oil/gas, not a bad play since Iraq wants to move to 9 mbpd (resulting in significant excess production margin) and Japan is looking to re-start their fission reactors (they are currently using near 25% of worlds LNG)

  • friendlyprogrammer

    I think they will post a video after the fact. It is much easier.

    • Daniel Maris

      But it will just be another promo video. We know how this guy works now.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        This technology sounds very easy to build. They practically give us the schematics as is. Once a LENR tech pokes through, you will see rampant building of these devices in garages and homes ignoring any patents.

        A dollar store flashlight has more moving parts. You’re dumping on a field that will take 600 million poluting cars off the road.

  • GreenWin

    Er, based on what precise evidence Oceans2014??

    • Oceans2014

      GreeWin – Evidence ? you would have to ask Black Light Power, Mr Mills announced to the World they would reveal an electric generator that would generate Millions of Watts of Power on Jan 28th.

      • GreenWin

        So, you have no evidence to that the demo from today failed? And can you cite the source for your claim that BLP is 90% owned “Big Electric.” I am aware that PepCo Holdings has a <1% stake. Who are the holders of 89% majority??

        • Daniel Maris

          Yep, the evidence is that they haven’t met their claim about a public demonstration. They haven’t kept faith with people. Hence the fully justified scepticism.

          • GreenWin

            And the evidence of 89% “Big Electric” ownership is where?? Danny – your MY posture is on view. 🙂

          • Daniel Maris

            And your complete paranoia is on view – absurd to suggest I am MaryYugo, as anyone can see from my years of pro-Rossi posting (well 95% pro-Rossi – no one is a god to me).

          • GreenWin

            Hey, a girl can always change her mind.

          • Fortyniner

            Flibbertigibbet!

          • GreenWin

            And you and Oceans2014 have fabricated the 90% “Big Electric” claim? You joining Jones Beene in the “I’ve got some FUD for U” camp?

          • friendlyprogrammer

            Why because it was not Simulcast on radio and tv while it was ongoing. I am sure it will be posted on Youtube, but it just occurred today. Your argument is like saying a movie does not exist because the trailer got delayed a few weeks.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Has anybody asked if this reaction was stable? Will it cut out after 5 minutes?

    If it is stable and does what they claim then I see no reason they won’t come to market. The CNN 5 years (2008) ago reported that it would take 5 years to bring to market. Now it is 2014 (The predicted 5 years).

    At 2:10 of this report BLP said they are at least 5 years away. Now it is 5 years+ later.
    http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2008/12/11/news.energyfix.121108.cnnmoney/

    I understand the pain of waiting, I have visited this page 100 times today just to gleen a fraction of news, but R&D does take time and Blacklight has one hell of a long third party verification list along the way.

    • bachcole

      You’re asking if it is a stable reaction and we don’t even have ANY reaction, yet, after 20 years. I would be delighted to see SOME reaction, then I will worry about whether it is stable or not.

    • Job001

      Read the report and you will find the process repeats at a rate of 1000 times per second or 1000hrz. The catalyst is rejuvenated and remoistened with water and recycled continuously.

      http://www.blacklightpower.com

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Yes. Andrea Rossi also made his device sound stable in his papers, and then we learned he was nowhere near stable in 2011/12. After his device was stable he then admitted it was not previously. This was not common knowledge in 2011.

        • Job001

          Disagree, it was known all along that stable control was an issue needing and being researched.
          See Arrhenius rate of reaction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrhenius_equation

          Arrhenius rate of reaction applies to chemical or nuclear processes where rate is temperature dependent. The heat release for nuclear is many times that of chemical so the equation constants will differ.

          Ok, control theory and Arrhenius rate of reaction isn’t common knowledge.

        • Omega Z

          Stable is a point of view.
          I have it totally under control.
          Only 1 in 10 melts down.
          Only 1 in 100 melts down.
          Both Valid in a Lab setting.

          A Product to Market. NO.
          Control takes on a whole new meaning. 1 in 500K comes to mind.

          As to Timelines, Jed Rothwell on Vortex provides an interesting story about that. It will take a few minutes to read but is so true…

          http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg89189.html

          • friendlyprogrammer

            I would think if you are trying to make home units stability would need to be close to perfect, and nobody should die as with one LENR experiment.

            I read the timeline on Jed’s link, and I’d like to say BLP can afford a lot of plumbers with 80 million dollars.

            I would also note that unlike a kitchen sink an outdoor faucet can be sideways or upside down as a practicality involving hose direction.. Firemen hook up their hoses sideways to a hydrant.

            They claim to have a working device worth demonstrating now. Timeline should involve permits and copyrights, and less about experimentation.

            I just want LENt to be accepted in Peer Reviewed magazines such as nature so we can hire a thousand more plumbers.

          • Omega Z

            Nope. No such thing as perfect or even close.

            Home Heating systems allow up to 9 per 100 defect rate(Most do better then this). That can be a scratch/blemish or mechanical failure. However, the mechanics are designed that should they be defective or fail, it prevents operation of any type. Likely E-cat path.

            Car tires allow as many as 12 catastrophic(Blowout scenario) road failures per 100K.

            The Vortex source was intended to present reasons research can take so long. There are so many things that can go wrong even when performed by experts.

    • I don’t know FP, it didn’t say Blacklight was 5 years away it said the power company that invested, today, is hoping to power three thousand homes, in 5 years. Sounds like a big deal was made.

  • GreenWin

    By evidence I provided you Roger, Randy has been working with the USAF, specifically the Wright Laboratory at WP AFB since around 1993. You think Navy is wrastling with Air Force over this?? Interesting theory though!

    • Omega Z

      Actually GW, The Military branches are Very Competitive with each other. Each wants a bigger piece of the pie.

      However, It’s likely they would work together on this subject as the pieces they have would stretch farther.

      • GreenWin

        Hmmm. VERY astute Omega Z. You’ve given me a much better picture of what’s going on today. Thank you.

        • Omega Z

          Haa. I knew your were aware. Just had to post it.

          I think some of whats going on here is turf war.
          I openly admit I’m pro Rossi, But the more that join in the better.
          Competition Keeps them all honest. Capitalism & Free Market works much better when they have to compete.
          The People win.

  • bachcole

    What Herb said, except I would like to add that if there was no device which produces excess energy, then the rest of the demo was a complete waste of time. If there was a device which produces excess energy, then everything else at the demo is just wonderful.

  • in doubtful news

    http://doubtfulnews.com/2014/01/industrial-heat-sinks-money-into-e-cat-cold-fusion-technology/

    quit negative, referring to popsci

    I posted 3 message, quite long. probably will be moderated

    • Daniel Maris

      Nothing to do with BLP of course. Think you probably meant to post that elsewhere. I read it earlier. Think it is an appalling article.

    • Omega Z

      AlainCo
      It shows 3 comments. None are yours. They must only accept Negative comments.

  • in doubtful news

    http://doubtfulnews.com/2014/01/industrial-heat-sinks-money-into-e-cat-cold-fusion-technology/

    quit negative, referring to popsci

    I posted 3 message, quite long. probably will be moderated

    • Omega Z

      AlainCo
      It shows 3 comments. None are yours. They must only accept Negative comments.

      • bachcole

        I commented about 4 hours ago and it is not there. But the most recent comment was about 11 hours ago, so they might be slow. On the other hand, they might think that we are all a bunch of true believers and don’t want to publish our comments.

        They are “Doubtful News”. Now the question is, is what they are reporting about doubtful, or is their reporting doubtful? Inquiring minds want to know. (:->)

  • Job001

    Guys, all of the SF-CIHT presentations is not redated but is new. It appears a lot has been accomplished since 5-22-2012. I find it super that they have 8GW of power under contract to utilities.

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/businesspresentation-web.pdf

    • Daniel Maris

      That’s a meaningless claim.

  • Job001

    Guys, all of the SF-CIHT presentations is not redated but is new. It appears a lot has been accomplished since 5-22-2012. I find it super that they have 8GW of power under contract to a number of utilities.

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/businesspresentation-web.pdf

  • friendlyprogrammer

    If it were, then it would be over 25 years in the making. Another issue with it being a LENR sabotage is Dr. Mills would be flabbergasted if you described this as LENR.

    In the age of the Internet, garage scientists, and entire libraries and video libraries at your fingertips technology will be harder to suppress, if not impossible. I know I would start researching this myself if it faded away because of a mysterious overseer.

    A major flaw with this technology and LENR is they are less complicated in theory than a dollar store flashlight, and can be built with off the shelf parts.

    The world has never seen copyright infringements like it will when either of these technologies surfaces. Every laid off solar worker will be building these for his neighbors at 1/10 the price.

    I just want my boat to go around the world without sails.

    If you want to invest, choose a magnet or electric motor company, because their business will quadruple once this hits. Even electric heaters. Northern towns might have heated driveways, sidewalks, and bus shelters (and we thought it would help Global Warming).

  • ecatworld

    Please, no more global warming comments on this thread. People have come here to find out about the BLP demo. Sorry I let it go on as long as I did.

    Thanks!

    • Bertuswonkel

      Sorry for that, we are done anyway. We will have to agree to disagree.

    • GreenWin

      A rather huge amount of SPAM coming in Frank. Don’t envy your job today. Thanks for your diligence.

  • Job001

    Read the report and you will find the process repeats at a rate of 1000 times per second or 1000hrz. Then the catalyst is rejuvenated and remoistened with water and recycled.

    http://www.blacklightpower.com

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Yes. Andrea Rossi also made his device sound stable in his papers, and then we learned he was nowhere near stable in 2011/12. After his device was stable he then admitted it was not previously. This was not common knowledge in 2011.

      • Job001

        Disagree, it was known all along that stable control was an issue needing and being researched.
        See Arrhenius rate of reaction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrhenius_equation

        Arrhenius rate of reaction applies to chemical or nuclear processes where rate is temperature dependent. The heat release for nuclear is many times that of chemical so the equation constants will differ.

      • Omega Z

        Stable is a point of view.
        I have it totally under control.
        Only 1 in 10 melts down.
        Only 1 in 100 melts down.
        Both Valid in a Lab setting.

        A Product to Market. NO.
        Control takes on a whole new meaning. 1 in 500K comes to mind.

        As to Timelines, Jed Rothwell on Vortex provides an interesting story about that. It will take a few minutes to read but is so true…

        http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg89189.html

        • friendlyprogrammer

          I would think if you are trying to make home units stability would need to be close to perfect, and nobody should die as with one LENR experiment.

          I read the timeline on Jed’s link, and I’d like to say BLP can afford a lot of plumbers with 80 million dollars.

          I would also note that unlike a kitchen sink an outdoor faucet can be sideways or upside down as a practicality involving hose direction.. Firemen hook up their hoses sideways to a hydrant.

          They claim to have a working device worth demonstrating now. Timeline should involve permits and copyrights, and less about experimentation.

          I just want LENt to be accepted in Peer Reviewed magazines such as nature so we can hire a thousand more plumbers.

          • Omega Z

            Nope. No such thing as perfect or even close.

            Home Heating systems allow up to 9 per 100 defect rate(Most do better then this). That can be a scratch/blemish or mechanical failure. However, the mechanics are designed that should they be defective or fail, it prevents operation of any type. Likely E-cat path.

            Car tires allow as many as 12 catastrophic(Blowout scenario) road failures per 100K.

            The Vortex source was intended to present reasons research can take so long. There are so many things that can go wrong even when performed by experts.

    • Daniel Maris

      All meaningless without a convincing demonstration.

      • Miles

        The very very least they could do is upload some “LIVE” pictures & update their website.

      • Job001

        Ah, you say that to all the girls!

      • friendlyprogrammer

        @ Daniel Maris,

        Have you not read any of the many third party verification’s? First of all demonstrations do not prove the science, but many science enthusiasts who realize Blacklight is among many unrelated parties claiming LENR.

        Dr. Mills Graduated summa cum laude (top 10%) of his class at Harvard Medical school and has already patented numerous inventions in the medical field including drug protocols and cancer treatments. He was also Phi beta kappa (look it up).

        So he could easily make more in a year practicing medicine than many people with an average salary make.

        Yet he has spent 25 years now doing just this.

        We do not expect this to be in Nature Magazine tomorrow, but it will likely be soon enough.

        If you doubt this then there are many unrelated LENR devices you can also feel free to be a pathoskeptic about.

        Toyota claims to have a LENR device,

        NASA claims to have a LENR device and was promoting LENR airflight earlier this week.

        The Patterson Cell is LENR based.

        The Athanor is already being sold and is a LENR device.

        Hagelstein is teaching LENR at MIT and has a LENR device.

        Brillouin has a LENR device

        Andrea Rossi ecat is LENR based

        Celani claims to have a LENR device and demonstrated at ICCF 17-18

        MFMP claims to have a LENR device replicated from Celani

        Mitsubishi claims to have a LENR device

        Honda claims to have a LENR device

        Piantelli claims to have a LENR device

        George Miley claims to have a LENR device.

        Blacklight Power device.

        DOD claims to have a working LENR device

        That is well over a dozen separate reputable parties that all claim to have their own working models of LENR.

        It is us who think it is you who is the idiot Daniel Maris, but your pathoskeptism is amusing.

        I think some of your logic circuits in your brain are either fried, or you are discussing a topic you know little about.

        Read what the Chief Research Scientist at NASA Langley (Dennis Bushnell) has to say about LENR. NASA spends a minimum of NASA is spending $200 to $300K per year on this research.
        http://archive.is/0CaQ

        video

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtHR1NCzeKU

        Although it is funny to see pathoskeptics because they seem to lack common sense, you do not need to comment on every comment.

        Are you even old enough to use a computer?

  • Frank Acland

    Please, no more global warming comments on this thread. People have come here to find out about the BLP demo. Sorry I let it go on as long as I did.

    Thanks!

    • Bertuswonkel

      Sorry for that, we are done anyway. We will have to agree to disagree.

      • MikeP

        I agree. The topic should never have been here in the first place. Still it’s curious which comments ecatworld chose to leave and which were deleted …

    • GreenWin

      A rather huge amount of SPAM coming in Frank. Don’t envy your job today. Thanks for your diligence.

  • GreenWin

    Hardly Sandy. Dr. Mills has many enemies from science orthodoxy. Some are automated bots, programmed to post on alternative energy web sites. Some of these bots do in fact work for military psyops. Most work out of their mom’s basement. 🙂 Lighten up Sandy!! Have some F U N!

    • Daniel Maris

      I don’t know what is inducing your paranoia – but I think we can apply Occam’s Razor here and conclude Mr Mills has not demonstrated what he claimed he would demonstrate.

  • JustCurious

    So was there a demonstration today or not? The press release from the 14th seemed unequivocal that “This breakthrough transformational power technology can be witnessed in a
    live demonstration hosted by BlackLight of on January 28th at 11 AM.
    Details and updates will be posted at the company website.”

    I see no updates on the website and no new press releases.

    Sorry if this is answered down in the thread somewhere, but the comments seemed to bog down quickly into tangential topics.

    • Daniel Maris

      Quite. They haven’t lived up to the billing they gave themselves.

  • JustCurious

    So was there a demonstration today or not? The press release from the 14th seemed unequivocal that “This breakthrough transformational power technology can be witnessed in a
    live demonstration hosted by BlackLight of on January 28th at 11 AM.
    Details and updates will be posted at the company website.”

    I see no updates on the website and no new press releases.

    Sorry if this is answered down in the thread somewhere, but the comments seemed to bog down quickly into tangential topics.

  • Allan Shura

    I just had a look at their new document. One view looks like a TIG welding plasma in water boiler set up. Amazing how we did not see what was in front of our eyes for decades. I hope they roll out their product in weeks as suggested in the earlier press release. One
    note of concern is that they intend to lease the units for power production rather than sell them outright. This might provide business opportunity for service companies. Another note that they have hedged their .01 cent per kilowatt hour cost to sales pegged at a
    forecast 1 cent.

  • Job001

    Disagree, previously I’ve noted that Rossi and Mills et.al. must market to the utilities “first”.

  • James Thomas

    One might look at the on-going comments here as reflecting the mind-set of a 16th century witch trial.

    Have we progressed to a level where we will NOT use a new energy method to assist the proliferation of a species set on a path of chronic, tribalistic, destruction of self and planet?

    • MikeP

      ?Where has there been any of this on this thread?

      • James Thomas

        if you have read this thread, and don’t see any of what I am refurring to, what good will it do if I quote some of what you have already read???

    • GreenWin

      Very honest evaluation James. The level of skeptical pathology has risen as criticism of the underlying intelligence becomes more focused. All very fascinating. It is fairly easy to see that asset monopolization (including knowledge Monopolies) is directly responsible for tribal behaviors. I read a lot of foot stomping and pouting into these comments. 🙂

      • LilyLover

        “Knowledge Monopolies directly responsible for tribal behavior.” -GW
        I think this was your most memorable quote that deserves to go into psychology text-books. Hats off GW. What a World we live in! I hope it wasn’t taken out of any psychology book. I’m not a psycho-major you know – so, I don’t know. But knowing you, I’m sure it’s your original quote.
        May I have permission to quote it?

        • GreenWin

          To be fair Lily, I adopted the phrase “knowledge monopoly” from the very astute Dr. Henry Bauer – Dean Emeritus of Arts & Sciences Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University and author of “Dogmatism in Science and Medicine.” I originated the tribal behavior part AFAIK. Thanks for the kind words. Quote away!

      • James Thomas

        GreenWin, it seems we are in the minority.
        And all I am saying is lets wait, before we burn or lynch.

        One would think that that would be a popular view of sensible minded people. But it’s not.
        Rather it’s ego against ego. Thought against thought. Which will certainly kill the body in-which such turmoil dwells. Which leads us to my original question.

        • kdk

          The energy density of the zpe of Blacklight seems a little disturbing to me, too (though straight cold fusion less so). Yet, at this point, throwing off the power-elite whose staple is oil and money, seems to me the best hope we have of overcoming the hypnotic stupor we have, generally as a people, been pushed towards and allowed ourselves to stay in. It’s something big like this that will make people realize that they’ve been in Plato’s cave looking at shadows, and listening to all the wrong things… the huge majority of people would prefer to live and let live I think, but they’ve been brainwashed by people who are bent on ruling us and the world as kings, and their shills and puppy-dogs in the media and academia and mind-numbing b.s. about Justin Bieber or whatever other celebrity (their last refuge from a world running uncaringly against them).

  • Dennis Lynn

    Called the offices of BLP late this afternoon (5:05 pm est) and spoke to an individual who said the demo did occur today. The individual also said that he/she was not sure when the demo would be posted for all to see.

    • GreenWin

      Thanks Dennis. Greatly appreciated.

  • Job001

    Hydrinos are part of a science theory, at the observation science level, maybe 0-3 sigma acceptance level, depending on perspective, but not proven to the consensus of most scientists who will require a 6 sigma level theory proof. No science proof is needed to use something that works at even a 1 sigma observation level.
    Assuming Hydrinos exist, they would be very inert, requiring energy to rise back up to regular hydrogen energy level. This is opposite of high energy radiation like gamma rays or x-rays which damage DNA when exposed to high radiation energy.
    Hydrinos would either escape to outer space or absorb high energy radiation and revert to regular hydrogen, (my assumption). The average household consumption of hydrogen may be less than 5 gallons of water per year, releasing oxygen and hydrinos as waste.
    Since the earth has 326 million trillion gallons of water and 7 billion people would use 8 billion gallons per year, this represents a 40 billion year supply.
    No known risk.

  • GreenWin

    Very honest evaluation James. The level of skeptical pathology has risen as criticism of the underlying intelligence becomes more focused. All very fascinating. It is fairly easy to see that asset monopolization (including knowledge Monopolies) is directly responsible for tribal behaviors. I read a lot of foot stomping and pouting into these comments. 🙂

    • Daniel Maris

      Nonsense. BLP have produced nothing – and nothing generates scepticism.

      • GreenWin

        Hmmm. “Nothing generates scepticism.” Sounds like the Big Bang of philosophy!

        • Daniel Maris

          Sounds like a truism to me.

      • bachcole

        When I see something, or EVEN hear of someone seeing something, I promise that I will become more interested.

    • LilyLover

      “Knowledge Monopolies directly responsible for tribal behavior.” -GW
      I think this was your most memorable quote that deserves to go into psychology text-books. Hats off GW. What a World we live in! I hope it wasn’t taken out of any psychology book. I’m not a psycho-major you know – so, I don’t know. But knowing you, I’m sure it’s your original quote.
      May I have permission to quote it?

      • GreenWin

        To be fair Lily, I adopted the phrase “knowledge monopoly” from the very astute Dr. Henry Bauer – Dean Emeritus of Arts & Sciences Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University and author of “Dogmatism in Science and Medicine.” I originated the tribal behavior part AFAIK. Thanks for the kind words. Quote away!

    • James Thomas

      GreenWin, it seems we are in the minority.
      And all I am saying is lets wait, before we burn or lynch.

      One would think that that would be a popular view of sensible minded people. But it’s not.
      Rather it’s ego against ego. Thought against thought. Which will certainly kill the body in-which such turmoil dwells. Which leads us to my original question.

      • Daniel Maris

        What do you mean – “let’s wait”? This guy has been in the field for 20 years. If he can’t offer a properly public demonstration there is no requirement on us to exericise patience.

        • friendlyprogrammer

          Do you know how to set up a live broadcast. The demonstration was RSVP. Those attending saw it. Those who did nor make cut did not.

          I’m a a programmer and I know html/PHP better than some, but even though I am tech oriented I do not know what is involved in a live broadcast. Andrea Rossi never did a live broadcast and we were fine with that.

          Obviously whatever was shown (if it is to be presented in video) will be arranged in some movie software and posted on Youtube.

          My 8 year old seems able to grasp this. Why can’t you..

          • Allan Shura

            I know what is involved in from scratch video streaming programming but a quick simple solution would be USTREAM or go to net meeting not much more costly than an overhead projector 30 years ago. I
            would guess they most likely used the video shoot for playback.

      • kdk

        The energy density of the zpe of Blacklight seems a little disturbing to me, too (though straight cold fusion less so). Yet, at this point, throwing off the power-elite whose staple is oil and money, seems to me the best hope we have of overcoming the hypnotic stupor we have, generally as a people, been pushed towards and allowed ourselves to stay in. It’s something big like this that will make people realize that they’ve been in Plato’s cave looking at shadows, and listening to all the wrong things… the huge majority of people would prefer to live and let live I think, but they’ve been brainwashed by people who are bent on ruling us and the world as kings, and their shills and puppy-dogs in the media and academia and mind-numbing b.s. about Justin Bieber or whatever other celebrity (their last refuge from a world running uncaringly against them).

  • Daniel Maris

    Get real.

  • Job001

    It’s only about 10 years since CF got away from the non-productive wet chemistry route, a short time for sophisticated and world-altering research and patents.

    • Daniel Maris

      Nonsense. Rossi is doing well and now has the backing of a real company in the real world. He has demonstrated his machines several times and his technology has been subjected to independent validation. BLP can’t match that record.

      • Job001

        Daniel, I try to be neutral about science research for the sake of good science, mostly because I despise marketing mendacity as much as bad science.
        It may turn out that like some experts have stated, market room exists for at least the top 4 or more. That may be best for mankind rather than having one group obstruct the market with high fees.
        I don’t know who will be the “winner” or if it will work that way.
        BLP site shows 8Gw under contract before todays demo, which is exceeded my expectation. Rossi’s prices appear favorable also, and the other two have certain niche advantages.

  • Ivone
    • Daniel Maris

      Big deal. It’s been referenced about 4 times already by people below. It’s nothing – just a replay of previous presentations.

      • Job001

        Nope, new informations are provided, reading is advised.

    • bachcole

      I didn’t feel any heat when I brought the site up. I did even see anyone say that they felt any heat. It is just more Millsian hot air. Rossi demonstrated. Defkalion demonstrated. Did Brillouin demonstrate? I forget. Mills did not demonstrate. Consequently he is not in my mind a player.

      • Daniel Maris

        I think to date only Rossi, Defkalion and Jet Energy (Nanor) can be said to have properly demonstrated their technology.

        • Add Brillouin, through the publication of tanzella results at ICCF17 is fairly good too …

  • Daniel Maris

    I doubt Mr “Investor” is going to tell us.

  • Ivone
    • bachcole

      I didn’t feel any heat when I brought the site up. I did even see anyone say that they felt any heat. It is just more Millsian hot air. Rossi demonstrated. Defkalion demonstrated. Did Brillouin demonstrate? I forget. Mills did not demonstrate. Consequently he is not in my mind a player.

    • Fibber McGourlick

      This isn’t the Demo. This is just an old sheet.

  • GreenWin

    Thanks Dennis. Greatly appreciated.

    • Daniel Maris

      Well saps might be impressed I suppose.

      • Bedroom_eyes

        We all know you dont believe in this by now, so why do you keep hanging around.
        Why not leave, and leave us “naive saps” alone with our “meaningless claims”…

        • Daniel Maris

          Because there is a lot of misinformation being spread by “mystery investors”.

          • Daniel Maris

            … who have never before posted here.

          • Iggy Dalrymple

            I’ve been subscribed to the Black Light newsletter for years and I received an invitation to attend the presentation. I never indicated any interest in being an investor. Since I live in Florida I didn’t sign up to attend and of course if I had signed up, I don’t know if I would have been picked to attend.

      • GreenWin

        Daniel, your bitter comment voice sounds markedly like that of Mary yugo. Just Sayin. 🙂

        • Daniel Maris

          Just sayin’ that shows you are completely deluded then.

      • BroKeeper

        Can you lighten up a little DM and not be so caustic? We don’t know for sure yet of any negative claims.

        • Daniel Maris

          I think I have a right to be p’d off after that ludicrous self-congratulatory fanfare from Mr Mills. And I stand by my predictions. This guy is going to give you absolutely nothing. Feel free to prove me wrong in due course.

          • BroKeeper

            Nothing of substance yet to be proven one way or the other. We all need to display a “capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset” = patience.

          • Daniel Maris

            Nope, I don’t agree. If someone claims to have (a) THE fully explanatory theory of LENR (b) the ability to demonstrate over unity energy devices (c) says that making a working device is simple and (d) claims to have been a world leader in this field for a couple of decades…then patience is NOT required of us. Demonstration is required of Mr Mills, given all his many claims over many years.

          • BroKeeper

            This is why lynchings vs. trials are illegal in this country. Give it a rest, please.

          • Daniel Maris

            Re-read that sentence – it doesn’t actually make any sense grammatically…or semantically…or any way. If someone promises a public demonstration and doesn’t deliver I have a perfect right to point that out as many times as I like. Any opprobrium should be directed towards Mr. R Mills who has failed to deliver what he promised.

          • BroKeeper

            (Sigh!) I rest my case (for the sake of everyone else).

          • Daniel Maris

            You didn’t address the points I made:

            If someone claims to have (a) THE fully explanatory theory of LENR (b)
            the ability to demonstrate over unity energy devices (c) says that
            making a working device is simple and (d) claims to have been a world
            leader in this field for a couple of decades…then patience is NOT
            required of us. Demonstration is required of Mr Mills, given all his
            many claims over many years.

            Of course I can see why you didn’t address those points.

          • Job001

            Understand, new research and knowledge is painful to accept, especially when it doesn’t come from the standard physics “know it all’s”. It is small comfort that these guys may fit in really well with histories “Crackpots who were right”.

            http://blog.vixra.org/category/crackpots-who-were-right/

      • GreenWin

        Dan, I think Dennis is just trying to help.

        • Daniel Maris

          I wasn’t commenting on Dennis’s efforts, I was commenting on BLP’s pathetic response.

  • Daniel Maris

    Could they be more contemptuous of the public? I doubt it.

  • Sandy

    The BlackLight Power presentation titled “January 2014” reads, “Solid Fuel produces plasma power at billions of watts per liter from the formation of hydrinos using H2O as the only source of fuel.”

    The problem with the BLP design for a 10 million watt electric generator is that an electric discharge which is powerful enough to turn water into a plasma is also powerful enough to turn the catalysts into plasma. So the catalysts will be consumed and will have to be replaced. The catalysts should therefore be regarded as fuel. How much will that fuel cost?

    • E_man

      Catalyst is H2O! Yes, it is turn in plasma, but as ions!!!

      • E_man

        Admin, I have sent my respons for second time, please reset this second one. Thanks. (I did not see it for long time).

    • E_man

      Catalyst is very expensive H2O. It is really turn into plasma, it is is main function of the catalyst.

  • Kim

    This whole show is for the Big Boys.
    The Big Money
    They all know its real, yet they have not reached the point. We still have oil.

    They will sit on this and milk it for years.

    Without a real production running machine, its a political animal

    This machine is 2 years away from building and working out the bugs.

    But it is impressive and it is the future.

    Respect
    Kim

  • Daniel Maris

    I agree – unlike Mr Rossi, Mr Mills has nothing to show.

  • GreenWin

    Thank you Commentor. Nice to have a first hand report. This demo seems to have instilled Fear and Loathing in certain of our brethren. Thanks again for taking the time.

  • GreenWin

    Question for Dan M and Roger… You guys favor Navy over the three other guys?? The near religious fervor in some remarks suggests we’re at an Army Navy football game. Just askin.

    • Daniel Maris

      Just sayin’ –

      Some of us aren’t actually American. That may surprise you, as you appear to be so Americentric in all your comments.

      So as far as I am concerned your comments about a “football” game are completely meaningless.

      Try being less culture-centric in your comments in future. The world is bigger than the USA.

      • GreenWin

        I believe you Daniel. However MANY nations have Navies and Armies. And MANY nations play some brand of football. And since three of the LENR developers mentioned by Mike McKubre are US-based – it seems a fair question. Anyway re BLP — Steve will be helpful:

        “I was there and this BS about an NDA is simply not true. Almost as bad
        as the government special ops or power company buy-off conspiracies.”

  • GreenWin

    Question for Dan M and Roger… You guys favor Navy over the three other guys?? The near religious fervor in some remarks suggests we’re at an Army Navy football game. Just askin.

  • Buck

    The following came from the Vortex-l site.

    LINK>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg89527.html

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    From: Craig

    Does anyone have any contact, or information, from someone at the
    demonstration? If so, is there any news?

    Craig

    ~~~

    Jones Beene Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:17:06 -0800

    Any News you get will only happen through BLP itself or by way of a preapproved
    journalist who got the News direct from BLP and had the story cleared.

    All attendees were required to sign an NDA in which they agreed not to mention
    anything whatsoever about the proceedings to others, nor even to admit that
    they attended. It is almost Nazi-esque.

    Mills will make a video and a News Release to suggest that the demo was a
    glowing success – when in fact it could have been closer to a joke, in terms of
    real science and accurate results. Dissent will not be permitted.

    That last comment is of course an opinion, but at least there is no way than
    anyone knowledgeable can argue with it – or otherwise they will have violated
    the NDA 🙂

    • Job001

      In this IP(Intellectual Property) snake pit why would you expect anything else?

      • Daniel Maris

        Because Rossi, Defkalion and Jet Energy have given us a lot more without giving away IP.

      • Buck

        It was Mills who set the yardstick high with his original PR. He then backed away from a reasonable follow through.

        Doing a live demonstration does not display the secret sauce if you keep the reactor vessel closed and off limits. However, it can show the PR’d 10MW demonstration device as well as measurement devices showing the level of COP Mills intimated.

        I did not make Mills shoot himself in the foot . . . he did it all by himself.

        • Daniel Maris

          I couldn’t agree more. Complete and utter hubris.

          • Buck

            Well . . . . he is a Harvard grad.

    • Daniel Maris

      Thanks Buck. I think I rest my case on that posting! – more or less what I predicted. Very sad, but there you are – let the name BlackLight Power be expunged from the roll of honour in the LENR world today and for all time.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Hi. My question to any that attended would be simply this …

      “Does Blacklight seem ready to commercialize this soon, or are they talking about future research?”

      What is the overall vibe about this question to those present?

  • Buck

    The following came from the Vortex-l site.
    LINK>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg89527.html

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    From: Craig

    Does anyone have any contact, or information, from someone at the demonstration? If so, is there any news?

    Craig

    ~~~

    Jones Beene Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:17:06 -0800

    Any News you get will only happen through BLP itself or by way of a preapproved journalist who got the News direct from BLP and had the story cleared.

    All attendees were required to sign an NDA in which they agreed not to mention anything whatsoever about the proceedings to others, nor even to admit that they attended. It is almost Nazi-esque.

    Mills will make a video and a News Release to suggest that the demo was a glowing success – when in fact it could have been closer to a joke, in terms of real science and accurate results. Dissent will not be permitted.

    That last comment is of course an opinion, but at least there is no way than anyone knowledgeable can argue with it – or otherwise they will have violated the NDA 🙂

    • Job001

      In this IP(Intellectual Property) snake pit why would you expect anything else?

      • Buck

        It was Mills who set the yardstick high with his original PR. He then backed away from a reasonable follow through.

        Doing a live demonstration does not display the secret sauce if you keep the reactor vessel closed and off limits. However, it can show the PR’d 10MW demonstration device as well as measurement devices showing the level of COP Mills intimated, COP = 100.

        I did not make Mills shoot himself in the foot . . . he did it all by himself.

    • Steve menton

      I was there and this bs about an nda is simply not true. Almost as bad as the government special ops or power company buy-off conspiracies. When I have time, I will post more , but the disinformation about BLP on the internet is so rampant, it is not worth the time trying to dispell all of it. The experiments and results will speak for themselves

      • Frank Acland

        Thanks for reporting, Steve. We’d appreciate anything you could share about the event.

      • Buck

        Steve, I am one who recognizes that when a LENR device hits the market, we all win. I look forward to your sharing your impressions, your take-aways of BPL efforts to come to market, to the degree you can. We are all eager to understand how you, your company, and your industry perceive the opportunity of shifting to a LENR type energy source.

      • GreenWin

        This certainly puts Jones Beene in the “Disregard the FUD” category. Beene’s word on anything going forward means… Bo Diddly was a great guitarist.

      • curious

        For me that NDA /secret society aura of BLP was very suspicious. If you can dispel the rumors and share some details it will help their credibility a lot. You sound optimist.

        Thanks

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Hi. My question to any that attended would be simply this …

      “Does Blacklight seem ready to commercialize this soon, or are they talking about future research?”

      What is the overall vibe about this question to those present?

  • friendlyprogrammer

    @ Daniel Maris,

    Have you not read any of the many third party verification’s? First of all demonstrations do not prove the science, but many science enthusiasts who realize Blacklight is among many unrelated parties claiming LENR.

    Dr. Mills Graduated summa cum laude (top 10%) of his class at Harvard Medical school and has already patented numerous inventions in the medical field including drug protocols and cancer treatments. He was also Phi beta kappa (look it up).

    So he could easily make more in a year practicing medicine than many people with an average salary make.

    Yet he has spent 25 years now doing just this.

    We do not expect this to be in Nature Magazine tomorrow, but it will likely be soon enough.

    If you doubt this then there are many unrelated LENR devices you can also feel free to be a pathoskeptic about.

    Toyota claims to have a LENR device,
    NASA claims to have a LENR device and was promoting LENR airflight earlier this week.
    The Patterson Cell is LENR based.
    The Athanor is already being sold and is a LENR device.
    Hagelstein is teaching LENR at MIT and has a LENR device.
    Brillouin has a LENR device
    Andrea Rossi ecat is LENR based
    Celani claims to have a LENR device and demonstrated at ICCF 17-18
    MFMP claims to have a LENR device replicated from Celani
    Mitsubishi claims to have a LENR device
    Honda claims to have a LENR device
    Piantelli claims to have a LENR device
    George Miley claims to have a LENR device.
    Blacklight Power device.
    DOD claims to have a working LENR device

    IF YOU UNDERSTAND HOW GOOGLE WORKS TRY SEARCHING LENR+ANY NAME ABOVE (Reading likely not your cup of tea).

    That is well over a dozen separate reputable parties that all claim to have their own working models of LENR.

    It is us who think it is you who is the idiot Daniel Maris, but your pathoskeptism is amusing.

    I think some of your logic circuits in your brain are either fried, or you are discussing a topic you know little about.

    Read what the Chief Research Scientist at NASA Langley (Dennis Bushnell) has to say about LENR. NASA spends a minimum of NASA is spending $200 to $300K per year on this research.
    http://archive.is/0CaQ

    video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

    Although it is funny to see pathoskeptics because they seem to lack common sense, you do not need to comment on every comment.

    Are you even old enough to use a computer?

  • ecatworld

    Thanks for reporting, Steve. We’d appreciate anything you could share about the event.

  • Daniel Maris

    Mr Menton appears to have been commenting on Mr Mills for a long time…

    http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.physics.hydrino/5438

    You’d think that after 11 years he might have queried why Mr Mills can’t get even the most basic prototype into service – or indeed why he can’t carry out a properly public demonstration.

    The results will definitely speak for themselves. So far: nada.

  • ecatworld

    Ok, folks, we’ve had Steve menton come forward to report that he was there, and he says he may post more in time. The purpose of this thread is to find out what went on there, and I hope that Steve will feel comfortable sharing without feeling reluctant to come forward because of ridicule or out-of-hand dismissal. I’m interested in getting an accurate picture of what BLP are doing. I would think we all are.

  • Frank Acland

    Ok, folks, we’ve had Steve menton come forward to report that he was there, and he says he may post more in time. The purpose of this thread is to find out what went on there, and I hope that Steve will feel comfortable sharing without feeling reluctant to come forward because of ridicule or out-of-hand dismissal. I’m interested in getting an accurate picture of what BLP are doing. I would think we all are.

    • TVulgaris

      I would think an outright failure would have immediately leaked- NDA or not, outright fraud would trump any possible legal fallout from disclosure, and no matter how invested some are, smart money would bolt.

  • Omega Z

    Some Harsh in some of the postings So I Thought I would point out some things.

    Dr. Andrea Rossi- Workshop Inventor/entrepreneur

    Dr. Randell Mills- Academia

    You can’t Compare the 2, They work from 2 different prospectives. Mills is an Academic directing his efforts to the Academic audience. Crossing T’s, Dotting the I’s & Looking for Validation from them.

    Rossi’s path is to build something that works & let the market do most of the Validation. He will leave it to the Academics to catch up & do the deep investigation of the overall technology.

    Note #1:
    Academics say it “MAY” be possible to Grow or 3-D Print your steak or human Organs in about 20 years.
    Put a Rossi type character to work into the Frey & that would be 10 years.

    Note #2:
    Randell Mills on occasion has mentioned the possibility of Leasing his device to the Consumer for Homes or Transportation purposes.

    I Respect Randell Mills, But this is a Big Negative in my view.

  • Omega Z

    Some Harsh in some of the postings So I Thought I would point out some things.

    Dr. Andrea Rossi- Workshop Inventor/entrepreneur

    Dr. Randell Mills- Academia

    You can’t Compare the 2, They work from 2 different prospectives. Mills is an Academic directing his efforts to the Academic audience. Crossing T’s, Dotting the I’s & Looking for Validation from them.

    Rossi’s path is to build something that works & let the market do most of the Validation. He will leave it to the Academics to catch up & do the deep investigation of the overall technology.

    Note #1:
    Academics say it “MAY” be possible to Grow or 3-D Print your steak or human Organs in about 20 years.
    Put a Rossi type character to work into the Frey & that would be 10 years.

    Note #2:
    Randell Mills on occasion has mentioned the possibility of Leasing his device to the Consumer for Homes or Transportation purposes.

    I Respect Randell Mills, But this is a Big Negative in my view.

    • TVulgaris

      Almost every indication is that BLP would stay out of manufacturing, so I think Dr. Mills meant leasing through distributors (and I agree, a principle in a company needs to be EXTREMELY careful and precise in speech, .but many aren’t)-Note #2.
      As far as hacker-driven 3-D development, you’re wildly conservative in your time estimate, there seems to be a development curve closer to Moore’s Law going on- academics already CAN print organ and muscle tissue, and hackers will probably put the process into the home within 2 or 3 years at dirt-cheap prices.

      • Omega Z

        I’m aware of the 3-D Etc… I keep an eye on this.
        I know they already print & grow arteries Bones, Etc…

        Follows is my issues with it.
        They can Print “Organ Tissue”. Not the Organs.
        One report claimed they can grow a functioning Mouse Heart but that it isn’t possible to grow a Human heart at this time.
        They’ve indicated it will likely be 20 years before they can grow a human heart.(Applies to other Organs as well)

        At that point it will “LIKELY” only be used to study the Human Heart.
        WTF- You can see where this is going. Something or someone seems to be holding this technology back. We Need some rogues to step in & bypass the status qua.

        As to 3-D printers in the home. For the time being would be X-mas Novelty Gifts for kids. That does led to more possibilities in the Future. Many of these Kids will excel(Jobs/Gates) at this & actually create more valid reasons for having them eventually.
        But in the short term, I expect this to be a local business customizing shop.

  • Well, I want a car that gets “3000 miles per liter of water”. I have no opinion as to whether the claims are true or not. I have a hard time understanding how the solid fuel in his proposed 10 megawatt generator would not either explode or gradually erode away. At the very least there should be cavitation problems.

  • Buck

    Steve, I am one who recognizes that when a LENR device hits the market, we all win. I look forward to your sharing your impressions, your take-aways of BPL efforts to come to market, to the degree you can.

  • GreenWin

    What a difference it is to have an on-site report coming. Thank you Steve. And thank you Frank for following the evidence.

  • GreenWin

    What a difference it is to have an on-site report coming. Thank you Steve. And thank you Frank for following the evidence.

  • GreenWin

    This certainly puts Jones Beene in the “Disregard the FUD” category. Beene’s word on anything going forward means… Bo Diddly was a great guitarist.

  • Sandy

    I have very strong doubts about the claims of BLP because their website contains a very amateurish video titled “Plasma Video”; http://www.blacklightpower.com/plasma-video/

    There is no explanation of what that video shows. That video is just silly and if Dr. Mills wants to be taken seriously then he should remove it from his website. Otherwise, his “hydrinos” will end up in the same category as unicorns and the Tooth Fairy; http://pediatricdentistryofglensfalls.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Tooth-fairy-2.jpg

  • georgehants

    In my humble opinion, the worst page of comments that have ever been on this site.
    Starting of course after my discussion regarding Global Warming that was still conducted in a fairly good manner.
    Global Warming is taxpayer funded and involves half the scientific establishment, as a taxpayer I consider I have the right to ask for, receive and question any Evidence put forward as proof of that subject.
    Regarding BLP, it is a private company answerable to only it’s financiers and shareholders, how they conduct their business is only their affair, as long as no criminal or fraudulent activities are proven and we as pure onlookers must just wait for any developments as with Mr. Rossi et al.
    One commenter, I think I can safely say, has been acting like a spoiled child, who for some reason believes he has a special right to information that is entirely up to BLP if they wish to divulge publicly.
    Nobody can be judged until all the Evidence is clearly in.

    • georgehants

      Admin will note the negative responses to my perfectly fair and accurate comment.
      It would seem that ECW is under attack from (possibly) members of ECN.
      That would be a shame for all the good moderate posters on this site and could lead to the same unpleasant mess as on that other place.

      • GreenWin

        George, good morning. Agree with your view of comments on this topic. Dr. Mills appears to have flummoxed a small cadre of skeptics who kept Admin busy moderating. One would think unbiased posters would consider the comments of eyewitness Steve M, Commentor, Investor, and earlier Dr McKubre – who reminds us that a Win for One is a Win for All.

    • Bertuswonkel

      I do want to thank you for your skepticism on Climate Change, it forced me to reevaluate the evidence.
      Now i don’t want to start this discussion all over again, just want to point out some interesting results.
      This site covers many of your points: http://www.skepticalscience.com/

      Furthermore, I have looked at some papers to see how the temperature data is constructed.
      As it turns out they use exactly what you demanded, a collection of all the records of all monitoring stations in the World.
      Problem is the data from stations is not very robust before 1900 since there were not that many back then.
      It is therefore hard to construct a global average based on that. Additional data is collected from other sources e.g. tree rings and coral samples to make the data more robust. This will be my last and final post on this topic on this site, that is a promise Frank! Sorry for polluting this section.

      • georgehants

        Bertuswonkel, Thanks, I bet we could go on discussing for a long time, Ha.
        Best wishes.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      What do you think about the President saying “Get over it climate change is real”

      • georgehants

        Bernie, I don’t care who is talking, be it the president, chief scientist, the pope etc. I think for myself, as should everybody.
        Only the Truth counts and when people believe what others say, without checking the Evidence themselves from source, then that is how we end up with so many problems.
        For example, UFO’s either exist in the mind or in a reality and everybody who denies that is fooling themselves.
        Those who follow blindly do themselves an injustice.

  • Sandy

    During his State of the Union speech tonight, President Obama spoke about “energy” but he did not mention energy liberated from hydrogen (to form hydrinos) and he did not mention low energy nuclear reactions. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamas-state-of-the-union-address-full-text-2014-01-28

    • Brokeeper

      With cold fusion still a farce in most peoples’ mind it would have only degraded his integrity and popularity futher. President Obama did mention nature gas as a bridge between fossil fuels and aternative energy. The only alternative energy that would begin to take hydrocarbon’s place is LENR. So I beieve he is quite aware of its potential and its military development. It’s all about timing.

  • georgehants

    In my humble opinion, the worst page of comments that have ever been on this site.
    Starting of course after my discussion regarding Global Warming that was still conducted in a fairly good manner.
    Global Warming is taxpayer funded and involves half the scientific establishment, as a taxpayer I consider I have the right to ask for, receive and question any Evidence put forward as proof of that subject.
    Regarding BLP, it is a private company answerable to only it’s financiers and shareholders, how they conduct their business is only their affair, as long as no criminal or fraudulent activities are proven and we as pure onlookers must just wait for any developments as with Mr. Rossi et al.
    One commenter, I think I can safely say, has been acting like a spoiled child, who for some reason believes he has a special right to information that is entirely up to BLP if they wish to divulge publicly.
    Nobody can be judged until all the Evidence is clearly in.

    • Sandy

      Defkalion broadcast their demonstration via the Internet for all the world to see. In contrast, BLP issued a “Press Release” to the world about its upcoming demonstration and then BLP provided no post-demonstration information and no video. BLP has made a big public relations mistake and must now live with the consequences.

      • Ryan

        Gonna have to disagree with you vehemently. Like with Rossi public knowledge of BLP is very, very limited. Showing off something that is basically meant only to perhaps convince power players that the technology has promise would only get lots and lots of know nothing commenters that have absolutely no inside knowledge of what is going on declaring that it was bunk or a fraud or whatever to make themselves appear as if they actually knew something about it. Right now, people like us aren’t really in the loop. Now, if he can make a generator of some sort that shows off the effect and can produce power then that would be something he could show off with tangible effects. It would still be torn apart by those claiming they knew what was actually going on, again with no real inside knowledge on the topic, but with a generator that works he could shut them up with time (it took years to convince Kelvin about powered flight). Perhaps, if it is as easy as he says it is to produce an MHD then in a couple months we might actually see something on the scale he’s spoken about. You, and others, making declarations about this is moot. You have no inside knowledge to make any of your claims only baseless assertions and unfocused anger that you didn’t get what you wanted out of a demonstration that almost certainly wasn’t intended for the general public.

        • Pipmon

          Then why make a very “general public” declaration of it?

    • georgehants

      Admin will note the negative responses to my perfectly fair and accurate comment above.
      It would seem that ECW is under attack from (possibly) members of ECN.
      That would be a shame for all the good moderate posters on this site and could lead to the same unpleasant mess as on that other place.
      ——
      EDIT as I wrote this there were five negative posts on my above comment, it has now reduced to four, will any others remove them to hide themselves.

      • GreenWin

        George, good morning. Agree with your view of comments on this topic. Dr. Mills appears to have flummoxed a small cadre of skeptics who kept Admin busy moderating. One would think unbiased posters would consider the comments of eyewitness Steve M, Commentor, Investor, and earlier Dr McKubre – who reminds us that a Win for One is a Win for All.

    • Bertuswonkel

      I do want to thank you for your skepticism on Climate Change, it forced me to reevaluate the evidence.
      Now i don’t want to start this discussion all over again, just want to point out some interesting results.
      This site covers many of your points: http://www.skepticalscience.com/

      Furthermore, I have looked at some papers to see how the temperature data is constructed.
      As it turns out they use exactly what you demanded, a collection of all the records of all monitoring stations in the World.
      Problem is the data from stations is not very robust before 1900 since there were not that many back then.
      It is therefore hard to construct a global average based on that. Additional data is collected from other sources e.g. tree rings and coral samples to make the data more robust. This will be my last and final post on this topic on this site, that is a promise Frank! Sorry for polluting this section.

      • georgehants

        Bertuswonkel, Thanks, I bet we could go on discussing for a long time, Ha.
        Best wishes.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      What do you think about the President saying “Get over it climate change is real”

      • georgehants

        Bernie, I don’t care who is talking, be it the president, chief scientist, the pope etc. I think for myself, as should everybody.
        Only the Truth counts and when people believe what others say, without checking the Evidence themselves from source, then that is how we end up with so many problems.
        For example, UFO’s either exist in the mind or in a reality and everybody who denies that is fooling themselves.
        Those who follow blindly do themselves an injustice.

  • Argon

    Of course we can blame people about wild speculation and disinformation even misbehaviour, but I think BLP left much room for that. This is what happens in such PR catastrophe when you first make waves and then don’t give any information. people gets excited, even opens thread for discussion, and you don’t give anything to discuss about but speculations and opinions not based on facts. If BLP has viable technology in hands they will come out sooner or later, because I see race heating (Rossi, Brillouin, BLP and whatnot). Quite often the first one who can credibly show something, gets big players and politics interested and first comer gets competitive edge.

    I have followed Rossis buzz since 15 Jan 2011 until last summer almost daily, but when so called 3rd party test was so flawed from fraud detection point of view, I decided to wait, patiently until real independent proof comes out. And it will if LENR is real and IH wants it to markets. Same goes with BLP. Even video stream and slides would have been interesting, it would have not _proven anything_ since according released pictures, demo setup was so messy that you could hide whatever energy sources there and get lots of theatrical plasma sparks from normal welding machine.
    Claiming somethin true or false without facts on table is strongly based on emotions and intuition so one can be also wrong (almost) as many cases that you can be right, that’s why I’d rather wait and see the real thing. Of course speculating about theory or possible applications is different thing and fruitful and is something we should merely concentrate on.

    Same goes with some Dave claiming that he was there, if you want to believe him it is based on believe not hard facts, or you could question if he really was on site. Probably it would make more easy to believe him if he could share some pics or real information which would later confirmed in BLP releases. I think he already said there was no NDA bullshit.

    Let’s hope even some of these new technologies are real and gets into peoples homes, without corporations stealing them.

    • Sanjeev

      I can see the chaos below and I don’t understand what people were expecting. From the start it was clear that the party was not for everyone, by invitation only. Dr. Mills clearly wrote that there will be a youtube video and if possible a webcast, which can take a day or two. The presentations slides are already out, so we know what was presented. There was no demo planned to show 10MW, it was only a claim (future projection, if you will). The only thing that was to be shown was a calorimeter, which I don’t think will excite anyone.
      So lets hold our horses and wait for things to come out of the fog.

    • Omega Z

      Industrial Heat Just Now went public with this.
      But, They have been involved with hands on work of Rossi’s tech since at Least April 2013. All of it including the secret catalyst. They’ve brought in their own people & Experts to research this including an outside expert for confirmation. I don’t believe they would have went public if they didn’t have very high confidence in this, They would just have faded away.

  • Argon

    Of course we can blame people about wild speculation and disinformation even misbehaviour, but I think BLP left much room for that. This is what happens in such PR catastrophe when you first make waves and then don’t give any information. people gets excited, even opens thread for discussion, and you don’t give anything to discuss about but speculations and opinions not based on facts. If BLP has viable technology in hands they will come out sooner or later, because I see race heating (Rossi, Brillouin, BLP and whatnot). Quite often the first one who can credibly show something, gets big players and politics interested and first comer gets competitive edge.

    I have followed Rossis buzz since 15 Jan 2011 until last summer almost daily, but when so called 3rd party test was so flawed from fraud detection point of view, I decided to wait, patiently until real independent proof comes out. And it will if LENR is real and IH wants it to markets. Same goes with BLP. Even video stream and slides would have been interesting, it would have not _proven anything_ since according released pictures, demo setup was so messy that you could hide whatever energy sources there and get lots of theatrical plasma sparks from normal welding machine.
    Claiming somethin true or false without facts on table is strongly based on emotions and intuition so one can be also wrong (almost) as many cases that you can be right, that’s why I’d rather wait and see the real thing. Of course speculating about theory or possible applications is different thing and fruitful and is something we should merely concentrate on.

    Same goes with some Dave claiming that he was there, if you want to believe him it is based on believe not hard facts, or you could question if he really was on site. Probably it would make more easy to believe him if he could share some pics or real information which would later confirmed in BLP releases. I think he already said there was no NDA bullshit.

    Let’s hope even some of these new technologies are real and gets into peoples homes, without corporations stealing them.

    • Sanjeev

      I can see the chaos below and I don’t understand what people were expecting. From the start it was clear that the party was not for everyone, by invitation only. Dr. Mills clearly wrote that there will be a youtube video and if possible a webcast, which can take a day or two. The presentations slides are already out, so we know what was presented. There was no demo planned to show 10MW, it was only a claim (future projection, if you will). The only thing that was to be shown was a calorimeter, which I don’t think will excite anyone.
      So lets hold our horses and wait for things to come out of the fog.

    • Omega Z

      Industrial Heat Just Now went public with this.
      But, They have been involved with hands on work of Rossi’s tech since at Least April 2013. All of it including the secret catalyst. They’ve brought in their own people & Experts to research this including an outside expert for confirmation. I don’t believe they would have went public if they didn’t have very high confidence in this, They would just have faded away.

  • artefact
  • artefact
  • Omega Z

    A Different Perspective.
    Mills didn’t Target US. We brought BLP to ourselves & raised our own expectations. I Imagine BLP’s Demo was aimed at Academics, possible investment groups & Business Partners. Not the Blogs.

    Like Rossi, Randell Mills has had his own experience with Blogs.
    His Own Version of “SHUTDOWN ???.” Not a nice experience.

    It would have been nice to of had a streaming Video, But, Fact is, it would have caused controversy anyway. Hidden wires Etc..So why bother. And contrary to what many may think, Live streaming isn’t cheap.

    It costs, For equipment & manpower Extra Planning, And a potential Investor may question your money managing skills on what they may consider wasteful unnecessary Excess. An Intrusion on their time. And these people are the ones Mill’s needs to satisfy. Not US. He can live without us. He needs them.

    • Fortyniner

      A few of us tried to say that, but I suppose that the vision of megawatts of power from a small box was just too alluring!

      I think that what we can take away from the fiasco here is that Mills can probably demonstrate an excess of power from a single water-fuelled explosion, and has a theory that might explain the energy release, but at this time not much more. This seems to be a reasonable assumption given the ongoing support from investors and his military associations. The PR hype was aimed at getting new investors, and he has no interest in keeping outsiders informed, as might be expected.

      IMHO the proposed complex machine using a hygroscopic salt to capture water vapour, which is led to interdigitating electrodes where controlled release of energy takes place, and then to an MHD generator is all technical fantasy. No such complex device could survive the energy release for more than seconds.

      I think it is much more likely that Mills will have to build a reactor resembling a muzzle-loading cannon that can withstand the pressures and tempertures concerned, and the energy source will simply be pure water, injected into the blind end of the ‘cannon’ and immediately converted to plasma by a massive spark discharge – the cycle repeating as quickly as new sparks can be generated. Energy capture will probably initially be by simple mechanical means, until something more sophisticated (MHD generator) can be developed. At a guess, even a crude device like this may be a year or more away.

      Incidentally, Mills’ technology bears an uncanny resemblance to some of the ‘water car’ claims, in particular one of the devices developed by Stanley Meyer, whose engine conversion involved water being injected through a modified spark plug, and a high power DC electrical discharge system (his ‘other’ system was based on claims of a low-energy means of splitting water with electricity). Meyer was murdered for his efforts – perhaps times have changed (or more likely, military/corporate involvement is the key to a longer life in these areas).

      http://www.aquapulser.com/performance_ignition/research.html

      http://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/stanleymeyer.htm

      • Omega Z

        Maybe they decided it’s time for this technology to be released & they Provided Mills with Meyer’s technology to bring to market.

        I know for many (10’s) of years that this phenomena has been reported by people involved in under water welding. It’s never been well received from the MS Science.

        Anyway, I hope this all comes to fruitation soon.
        By My Calculations of Everyone who’s been following this technology over the years,
        We have invested 372,487,925 man hours into this. 🙂

        • Fortyniner

          I sometimes feel that I’ve probably spent at least that much time wittering away here, when I should be working.

    • Allan Shura

      He also says he has a product that can be assembled to work in weeks and major utility contracts. The proof then is
      a real product in the market so the controversy would not last for long. Toyota demonstrates their production prototype of
      their hydrogen fuel cell car for the 2015 model year at the Consumer Electronics Show so there is not much reason
      for doubt and the exposure is great. My expectations were deflated when I guessed the demonstration was a plasma
      flash and most of us have known for some time ionized plasma contains a lot of supersonic energy but have not seen it
      in an economical working energy device available on the market.

  • Omega Z

    A Different Perspective.
    Mills didn’t Target US. We brought BLP to ourselves & raised our own expectations. I Imagine BLP’s Demo was aimed at Academics, possible investment groups & Business Partners. Not the Blogs.

    Like Rossi, Randell Mills has had his own experience with Blogs.
    His Own Version of “SHUTDOWN ???.” Not a nice experience.

    It would have been nice to of had a streaming Video, But, Fact is, it would have caused controversy anyway. Hidden wires Etc..So why bother. And contrary to what many may think, Live streaming isn’t cheap.

    It costs, For equipment & manpower Extra Planning, And a potential Investor may question your money managing skills on what they may consider wasteful unnecessary Excess. An Intrusion on their time. And these people are the ones Mill’s needs to satisfy. Not US. He can live without us. He needs them.

    • A few of us tried to say that during the run-up and attempted to downplay expectations, but I suppose that the vision of megawatts of power from a small box was just too alluring!

      I think that what we can take away from the fiasco here is that Mills can probably demonstrate an excess of power of unknown quantity from a single water-fuelled explosion, and has a new theory that might explain the energy release – but at this time not much more. This seems to be a reasonable assumption given the ongoing support from investors and his military associations. The PR hype was aimed at getting new investors and fending off Rossi et al., and he has no interest in keeping outsiders informed, as might be expected.

      IMHO the proposed complex machine using a hygroscopic compound (lithium oxide?) to capture water vapour, which is led to interdigitating electrodes where controlled release of energy takes place with the reaction products flowing through a supercooled MHD generator, is all just technical fantasy. No such complex device could survive the claimed level of energy release for more than seconds, and there are several other probably fatal engineering issues with the device depicted in the PR graphics.

      I think it is much more likely that Mills will have to build a reactor resembling a muzzle-loading cannon that can withstand the pressures and temperatures concerned, and the energy source will simply be water, injected into a small chamber at the blind end of the ‘cannon’ that contains the catalyst in some form, where it is immediately converted to plasma by a massive spark discharge. This discharge could be repeated as quickly as the injection system could cycle and new sparks could be generated. Energy capture will probably initially be by some simple mechanical means, until something more sophisticated (MHD generator) can be developed. At a guess, even a crude device like this (minus MHD generator) may be a year or more away.

      Incidentally, Mills’ technology bears an uncanny resemblance to some of the ‘water car’ claims, in particular one of the devices supposedly developed by Stanley Meyer, whose engine conversion (‘water fuel cell’ – WFC) involved water being injected through a special spark plug, and a high power modulated DC electrical discharge system. Meyer was murdered in 1998, supposedly because he refused to sell his IP – but perhaps times have changed (or more likely, military/corporate involvement is the key to a longer life if you dabble in these areas).

      http://www.aquapulser.com/performance_ignition/research.html (second item)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqndaxK-Gfg

      http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/meyerswatercell.htm

      • Omega Z

        Maybe they decided it’s time for this technology to be released & they Provided Mills with Meyer’s technology to bring to market.

        I know for many (10’s) of years that this phenomena has been reported by people involved in under water welding. It’s never been well received from the MS Science.

        Anyway, I hope this all comes to fruitation soon.
        By My Calculations of Everyone who’s been following this technology over the years,
        We have invested 372,487,925 man hours into this. 🙂

        • I sometimes feel that I’ve probably spent at least that much time wittering away here, when I should have been working.

    • Allan Shura

      He also says he has a product that can be assembled to work in weeks and major utility contracts. The proof then is
      a real product in the market so the controversy would not last for long. Toyota demonstrates their production prototype of
      their hydrogen fuel cell car for the 2015 model year at the Consumer Electronics Show so there is not much reason
      for doubt and the exposure is great. My expectations were deflated when I guessed the demonstration was a plasma
      flash and most of us have known for some time ionized plasma contains a lot of supersonic energy but have not seen it
      in an economical working energy device available on the market.

  • E-CAT suomi

    I think Blacklight power should to another demo for press and blogger to market their reactor.

  • Gerard McEk

    This blog is too voluminous for me to consume. As far as I can see nobody knows more than two days ago about BLP. I hope that something relevant regarding BLP will arise in a new article.

  • Gerard McEk

    This blog is too voluminous for me to consume. As far as I can see nobody knows more than two days ago about BLP. I hope that something relevant regarding BLP will arise in a new article.

  • Stanny Demesmaker

    His validation papers only reports miliwats with a COP of 2, and suddenly he can make an improvemant by a BILLION with a cop of 100!!! I never heard such insane claim in my life!!!

    He just has a LENR reaction like many in the field but can’t scale it up. Now because he created a theory that can chemically explain that LENR reaction, he can convince people that he found something groundbreaking.

    If he really had something, do you think that he had to advertise his groundbreaking discovery ?

    • Chris the 2nd

      On proof of concept i.e producing milliwatts, he may have had his “Chicago Pile” moment which lead to rapid and relatively easy development of megawatt reactor.

      Personally, I won’t be convinced by Randell Mills until i see it powering something though.

  • Stanny Demesmaker

    His validation papers only reports miliwats with a COP of 2, and suddenly he can make an improvemant by a BILLION with a cop of 100!!! I never heard such insane claim in my life!!!

    He just has a LENR reaction like many in the field but can’t scale it up. Now because he created a theory that can chemically explain that LENR reaction, he can convince people that he found something groundbreaking.

    If he really had something, do you think that he had to advertise his groundbreaking discovery ?

    • Chris the 2nd

      On proof of concept i.e producing milliwatts, he may have had his “Chicago Pile” moment which lead to rapid and relatively easy development of megawatt reactor.

      Personally, I won’t be convinced by Randell Mills until i see it powering something though.

  • TCM

    I want a new thread……yawing
    Any thing else on uncle Rossi?

  • Morse
    • Fortyniner

      Quite a fair article by Mr Anthony – you can almost feel him preparing for the inevitable deluge of brickbats from the maryyugos, although Alainco and Bachcole seem to have got there first! I think he probably got much of his info from this blog.

  • Morse
    • Quite a fair article by Mr Anthony – you can almost feel him preparing for the inevitable deluge of brickbats from the maryyugos, although Mr Moho, Alainco and Bachcole seem to have got there first this time. Someone calling himself ‘dozerman’ is even accusing sympathetic commenters of being shills!

      I think the author probably got much of his info from this blog.

  • Timar

    OK, the regulars here should know me, I’ve been participating here since the early days, although I have been less active in the last one or two years, for personal reasons and for reasons related to what I’m going to tell you now.

    I have to say that those endless global warming debate is really annoying the heck out of me. If you want to discuss wacko conspiracy theories, be it AGW, the moon landing, Roswell or 9/11 please do it elsewhere. There are plenty of places where such discussions are welcome. THIS IS ABOUT LENR. Specifically, this thread is about the Blacklight Power demonstration. Congratulations for sufficiently drowning all relevant information regarding BLP in your off-topic conspiracy theory noise.

  • Ryan

    Gonna have to disagree with you vehemently. Like with Rossi public knowledge of BLP is very, very limited. Showing off something that is basically meant only to perhaps convince power players that the technology has promise would only get lots and lots of know nothing commenters that have absolutely no inside knowledge of what is going on declaring that it was bunk or a fraud or whatever to make themselves appear as if they actually knew something about it. Right now, people like us aren’t really in the loop. Now, if he can make a generator of some sort that shows off the effect and can produce power then that would be something he could show off with tangible effects. It would still be torn apart by those claiming they knew what was actually going on, again with no real inside knowledge on the topic, but with a generator that works he could shut them up with time (it took years to convince Kelvin about powered flight). Perhaps, if it is as easy as he says it is to produce an MHD then in a couple months we might actually see something on the scale he’s spoken about. You, and others, making declarations about this is moot. You have no inside knowledge to make any of your claims only baseless assertions and unfocused anger that you didn’t get what you wanted out of a demonstration that almost certainly wasn’t intended for the general public.

  • david55

    Randell Mills respond to Jones Beene bs.

    #Reading on some other sites I read that all the attendees at today’s demonstration
    #at BLP were required to sign non-disclosure agreements. Even including
    #not disclosing that they attended in the first place. Is that true?

    Randell Mills

    No that is a lie. We were absolutely open with unrestricted full
    disclosure of all materials and methods using commercial
    instrumentation. In fact, we intend to make the entire videotaped
    demonstration open to the public.”

    • artefact

      That sounds good.

      • Daniel Maris

        Anyone would think we were living in the 1960s. How long does it take to upload video to a website these days? Sixty seconds?

        • artefact

          I guess they (someone) will have to watch the whole video again to see if it is ok to publish and maybe do some cuttings. Then they will have to sleep (probably after a little after demo party yesterday night)

        • mcloki

          Raw yes. But if they want to do a bit any editing. that would take a day. Then approvals, and then posting. And judging from the other videos they put up. they aren’t getting any professional help.

        • friendlyprogrammer

          From the crybaby who whined all day because it was not a live broadcast. Next time RSVP and get an invite.

    • jousterusa

      Randy, can you point us to any coverage of the press conference/demo that we can read? Or, can you provide a list of the principal mainstream publications and wire services that may have attended, so we can search for their coverage on our own? Also, how long do you think it will take you to develop a magnetohydrodynamic converter for these devices, and will you promptly demonstrate conversion when that’s finished? I think the President’s comment last night about awaiting the “next great American discovery” was a reference to yours!

  • david55

    Randell Mills respond to Jones Beene bs.

    #Reading on some other sites I read that all the attendees at today’s demonstration
    #at BLP were required to sign non-disclosure agreements. Even including
    #not disclosing that they attended in the first place. Is that true?

    Randell Mills

    No that is a lie. We were absolutely open with unrestricted full
    disclosure of all materials and methods using commercial
    instrumentation. In fact, we intend to make the entire videotaped
    demonstration open to the public.”

    • artefact

      That sounds good.

    • Fibber McGourlick

      If you do what you say, you will transform the world and stand forever next to Newton and Einstein. Good Luck.

    • jousterusa

      Randy, can you point us to any coverage of the press conference/demo that we can read? Or, can you provide a list of the principal mainstream publications and wire services that may have attended, so we can search for their coverage on our own? Also, how long do you think it will take you to develop a magnetohydrodynamic converter for these devices, and will you promptly demonstrate conversion when that’s finished? I think the President’s comment last night about awaiting the “next great American discovery” was a reference to yours!

  • Daniel Maris

    I’ve read the verifications which certainly deserve some respect. The problem I have is that Mr Mills claims to have cracked over-unity energy production a long time ago. There ought to be a proper working device by now.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Even 5 years ago they were saying at least 5 years. Since even then they have brought cost from 1-2 cents per kWh to .9 cents per kWh. They are also now using water vapor.

  • artefact

    Mills tells:
    “The concept is that information should be freely available to all the
    world, an egalitarian principle. BlackLight will change the world,
    and Wiki’s misinformation campaign has seriously impeded our
    progress. Wiki has become controlled, control is power, and power
    corrupts; Wiki’s controllers are traitors to egalitarian principles.
    It is time for new management.”

    • Fortyniner

      It’s difficult to see how IP developed using investor money could ever be ‘freely available to all the
      world’, but his comments about wikipedia are certainly justified. As he says, the activities of the people who control wikipedia need exposing to the light, but just changing the management will not be sufficient to make it a clean source of information.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        If a corporation spent a Trillion dollars looking for a power source and then discovered rubbing 2 “AA” batteries together created a safe mini wormhole where electricity freely flowed out at rates enough to power a house they would have a hard time copyrighting it because of its simplicity. (My Science Fiction example)

        The BLP device (proposed) and the Rossi ecat both seem to be very simple in design. The ecat is basically a lead box with the right stuff inside. What is to stop billions of people from building these themselves once everyone knows how they work.

        If Rossi revealed his catalyst how many of you would already be working on one?

        The point is… Maybe a company just has to be happy everyone working there will have schools named after them.

        • Omega Z

          This is stated many times. People will build their own.
          If this should happen, it would only be for the novelty of it. Individuals will not build them to sell for multiple reasons.
          Ignoring the obvious liabilities, If someone built you 1, it would cost more then just buying one of which has guarantees. And then it would have to be installed in a useful manor. All requires someone in multiple skilled trades. This person or persons are going to want paid.

          The simplest use of this technology would be heating & that is more complex then many seem to think.
          Beyond that, There is presently no use for it. No products that would readily adapt to it. All will require redesign & engineering to be of any reasonable use.

          Rossi & IH are not concerned with individuals other then their safety. It’s Theft by Corporate Entities that concern them.

      • Omega Z

        IP & Free Flow of Knowledge
        This only appears to be a conflict in terms.
        IP information becomes freely available once it is protected by Patent. Caveat-Unless classified for security concerns.

        You can freely use it(Likely citations/credits required) for your own research & information purposes.

        However, if you use it in a manor of products or financial gains, Fees must be paid unless permission to do otherwise by the holder of the rights.

        Conflict In Terms Resolved.
        Might I Suggest that “What Mills & Others actually refer to is information behind Pay Walls.” Not freely available…

        • Omega Z

          I’m aware of the 3-D Etc… I keep an eye on this.
          I know they already print & grow arteries Bones, Etc…

          Follows is my issues with it.
          They can Print “Organ Tissue”. Not the Organs.
          One report claimed they can grow a functioning Mouse Heart but that it isn’t possible to grow a Human heart at this time.
          They’ve indicated it will likely be 20 years before they can grow a human heart.(Applies to other Organs as well)

          At that point it will “LIKELY” only be used to study the Human Heart.
          WTF- You can see where this is going. Something or someone seems to be holding this technology back. We Need some rogues to step in & bypass the status qua.

          As to 3-D printers in the home. For the time being would be X-mas Novelty Gifts for kids. That does led to more possibilities in the Future. Many of these Kids will excel(Jobs/Gates) at this & actually create more valid reasons for having them eventually.
          But in the short term, I expect this to be a local business customizing shop.

      • jousterusa

        I think it is not an issue of who controls Wikipedia, but who controls a specific Wiki. Some of those people are both .pedantic and fatuous fools who have their own set of standards that violate all laws of reason. Those folks seize control of the various fora and work their will regardless of any objective truth

        • psi2u2

          Unfortunately the problem seems to be endemic to many topics.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I took a quick look at the English Wikipedia article on Blacklight Power and I didn’t find any statement of the authors that appears to be clearly defamatory. It’s true that they use a lot of citations from hard-line critics such as Robert Park, but they also consider Anthony Marchese, Edmund Storms, K.V. Ramanujachary, and W. Henry Weinberg. One can not deny, however, that the relation between negative and positive citations looks quite unbalanced. But I don’t think that BLP would have a chance if they took legal action against Wikipedia.
      The best thing they could do is to present a reactor that is ready for the market, instead of making forward looking statements.

      • psi2u2

        Saying that the article is not defamatory is setting a pretty low bar. Robert Parks is one of the guys mostly responsible for delaying the development of Cold Fusion for more than twenty years.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          I’ve been talking about the statements of the authors. They use undoubtedly citations that could be called defamatory. But these citations are statements of external persons, not statements of the authors. Please read more carefully.

          • psi2u2

            Please stop looking for a fight where none is intended or necessary.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            No problem.

          • psi2u2

            : )

    • stefan

      The wikipedia article is missinformation and of very low quality, the links it points to is more or less crao and the overall impression of Mills work is that it is of no value.

      There are two main critic sources that I found and read,

      1. A paper by Ratke, that as well have been rebuted by Mills, and is really a joke in quality.
      2. Hydrinos, finding these solutions indicates is taken that Mill’s work is fringe.

      The problem for these criticques is that Mills formulas outperform QM in theoretically modelling the energy levels
      in atoms and if one reads the paper carefully one realizes that Mills does use correct math and that the result is
      impressive. That folks is why he can gather so much capital, Mills has a better model of the atom then QM or at equal
      power with QED (but using QED to do many body problems is just not practical) They now assume that because
      he have such a good model of known physics, he must predict the hydrinos correctly.

      So as you see, ignorant people of Mills theory think that hydrinos are weird, they have not been replicated etc.

      Now what is true? I have not read the theory careful enough, but I do have a scenario for you to chew on.

      Mills uses a boundary condition that are quite exotic, let’s call it Condition-A. He then applies the theory according to
      that a stable solution is found if and only if Condition-A is met. What if all stable solutions satisfy Condition-A but not
      all solutions satisfying Condition-A is stable. It means that sometimes his method is correct and sometimes it is wrong
      and this can explain the whole situation.

      The main problem with hydrinos I have is that I would expect the electron to have relativistic speeds, e.g. should be
      closer to the nucleus than the first hydrino states below the traditional ground state. It can very well be that the first one are not stable, but the higher one is. Mills could have chasen a goast for a very long time, and just reasently started chasing for the lower states, and perhaps started to see some effect, Who knows. Hydrinos? CF?

      Cheers!

      • Andreas Moraitis

        If I understood Mills correctly, he uses made-to-measure catalysts who absorb preferably just the amount of energy that equals to the energy difference between two stable hydrino states. Therefore, it seems logical that only these states are observed. If there were additional states, I guess you would need different catalysts to generate them. But that’s pure speculation.

        • stefan

          Yes these state does not transform between each other via fotons, a catalyst is needed. It’s just
          that the notion that these lower states can sit there without being realized for such a long period
          of time just screams for a really rigid proof. I could not judge the rigidity from Mills book, just that
          the predictions are good when we know that we have a stable state. Also I am surprised especially
          of the first hydrino state, my feeling is that QM is not that out of truth to miss that state.

  • artefact

    Mills tells:
    “The concept is that information should be freely available to all the
    world, an egalitarian principle. BlackLight will change the world,
    and Wiki’s misinformation campaign has seriously impeded our
    progress. Wiki has become controlled, control is power, and power
    corrupts; Wiki’s controllers are traitors to egalitarian principles.
    It is time for new management.”

    • It’s difficult to see how IP developed using investor money could ever be ‘freely available to all the
      world’, but his comments about wikipedia are certainly justified. As he says, the activities of the people who control wikipedia need exposing to the light, but just changing the management will not be sufficient to make it a clean source of information.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        If a corporation spent a Trillion dollars looking for a power source and then discovered rubbing 2 “AA” batteries together created a safe mini wormhole where electricity freely flowed out at rates enough to power a house they would have a hard time copyrighting it because of its simplicity. (My Science Fiction example)

        The BLP device (proposed) and the Rossi ecat both seem to be very simple in design. The ecat is basically a lead box with the right stuff inside. What is to stop billions of people from building these themselves once everyone knows how they work.

        If Rossi revealed his catalyst how many of you would already be working on one?

        The point is… Maybe a company just has to be happy everyone working there will have schools named after them.

        Maybe they could sell validation stickers like the ones Microsoft put on desktops, so if you were ever caught using a home made system your penalty would be nothing. Just approving cars and truck models at $1 a sticker (high tech sticker tech to avoid replicating with serial numbers) could net them 600 million across the globe if we replaced car for car with LENR/BLPpower.

        In other words license building for free, but require cheap approval from copyright owner and tax dept. If it got too costly for this then people would be less inclined to register their devices, although in cars it would be difficult because routine traffic stops could show your stickerless variety.

        • Omega Z

          This is stated many times. People will build their own.
          If this should happen, it would only be for the novelty of it. Individuals will not build them to sell for multiple reasons.
          Ignoring the obvious liabilities, If someone built you 1, it would cost more then just buying one of which has guarantees. And then it would have to be installed in a useful manor. All requires someone in multiple skilled trades. This person or persons are going to want paid.

          The simplest use of this technology would be heating & that is more complex then many seem to think.
          Beyond that, There is presently no use for it. No products that would readily adapt to it. All will require redesign & engineering to be of any reasonable use.

          Rossi & IH are not concerned with individuals other then their safety. It’s Theft by Corporate Entities that concern them.

      • Omega Z

        IP & Free Flow of Knowledge
        This only appears to be a conflict in terms.
        IP information becomes freely available once it is protected by Patent. Caveat-Unless classified for security concerns.

        You can freely use it(Likely citations/credits required) for your own research & information purposes.

        However, if you use it in a manor of products or financial gains, Fees must be paid unless permission to do otherwise by the holder of the rights.

        Conflict In Terms Resolved.
        Might I Suggest that “What Mills & Others actually refer to is information behind Pay Walls.” Not freely available…

      • jousterusa

        I think it is not an issue of who controls Wikipedia, but who controls a specific Wiki. Some of those people are both .pedantic and fatuous fools who have their own set of standards that violate all laws of reason. Those folks seize control of the various fora and work their will regardless of any objective truth

        • psi2u2

          Unfortunately the problem seems to be endemic to many topics.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I took a quick look at the English Wikipedia article on Blacklight Power and I didn’t find any statement of the authors that appears to be clearly defamatory. It’s true that they use a lot of citations from hard-line critics such as Robert Park, but they also consider Anthony Marchese, Edmund Storms, K.V. Ramanujachary, and W. Henry Weinberg. One can not deny, however, that the relation between negative and positive citations looks quite unbalanced. But I don’t think that BLP would have a chance if they took legal action against Wikipedia.
      The best thing they could do is to present a reactor that is ready for the market, instead of making forward looking statements.

      • psi2u2

        Saying that the article is not defamatory is setting a pretty low bar. Robert Parks is one of the guys mostly responsible for delaying the development of Cold Fusion for more than twenty years.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          I’ve been talking about the statements of the authors. They use undoubtedly citations that could be called defamatory. But these citations are statements of external persons, not statements of the authors. Please read more carefully.

          • psi2u2

            Please stop looking for a fight where none is intended or necessary. I was not criticizing you or anything that you said. I was merely pointing out the endemic pseudo-skepticism of Wikipedia. Sorry if this was unclear.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            No problem.

          • psi2u2

            : )

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      The wikipedia article is missinformation and of very low quality, the links it points to is more or less crao and the overall impression of Mills work is that it is of no value.

      There are two main critic sources that I found and read,

      1. A paper by Ratke, that as well have been rebuted by Mills, and is really a joke in quality.
      2. Hydrinos, finding these solutions indicates is taken that Mill’s work is fringe.

      The problem for these criticques is that Mills formulas outperform QM in theoretically modelling the energy levels
      in atoms and if one reads the paper carefully one realizes that Mills does use correct math and that the result is
      impressive. That folks is why he can gather so much capital, Mills has a better model of the atom then QM or at equal
      power with QED (but using QED to do many body problems is just not practical) They now assume that because
      he have such a good model of known physics, he must predict the hydrinos correctly.

      So as you see, ignorant people of Mills theory think that hydrinos are weird, they have not been replicated etc.

      Now what is true? I have not read the theory careful enough, but I do have a scenario for you to chew on.

      Mills uses a boundary condition that are quite exotic, let’s call it Condition-A. He then applies the theory according to
      that a stable solution is found if and only if Condition-A is met. What if all stable solutions satisfy Condition-A but not
      all solutions satisfying Condition-A is stable. It means that sometimes his method is correct and sometimes it is wrong
      and this can explain the whole situation.

      The main problem with hydrinos I have is that I would expect the electron to have relativistic speeds, e.g. should be
      closer to the nucleus than the first hydrino states below the traditional ground state. It can very well be that the first one are not stable, but the higher one is. Mills could have chasen a goast for a very long time, and just reasently started chasing for the lower states, and perhaps started to see some effect, Who knows. Hydrinos? CF?

      Cheers!

      • Andreas Moraitis

        If I understood Mills correctly, he uses made-to-measure catalysts who absorb preferably just the amount of energy that equals to the energy difference between two stable hydrino states. Therefore, it seems logical that only these states are observed. If there were additional states, I guess you would need different catalysts to generate them. But that’s pure speculation.

        • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

          Yes these state does not transform between each other via fotons, a catalyst is needed. It’s just
          that the notion that these lower states can sit there without being realized for such a long period
          of time just screams for a really rigid proof. I could not judge the rigidity from Mills book, just that
          the predictions are good when we know that we have a stable state. Also I am surprised especially
          of the first hydrino state, my feeling is that QM is not that out of truth to miss that state.

    • Obvious

      Although I have heard that sometimes Wikipedia articles are like the Wild West sometimes, I had never witnessed it until I saw the disgusting and unbalanced article on Blacklight Power there. I can’t say that I have ever encountered swearing in an encyclopedia article before this.

      I am not defending Mr. Mill’s process, since I am neither equipped nor qualified to do so, but I certainly expect more balanced discussion in an encyclopedic information outlet.

      • psi2u2

        Obvious. in my experience this is typical of Wikipedia’s almost complete inability to deal in a fair and credible manner with topics of emergent knowledge.

  • david55

    George Miley present LENR for the battlefield at military conference

    http://www.tacticalpowersourcessummit.com/Speakers.aspx

    http://www.tacticalpowersourcessummit.com/

  • david55

    George Miley present LENR for the battlefield at military conference

    http://www.tacticalpowersourcessummit.com/Speakers.aspx

    http://www.tacticalpowersourcessummit.com/

  • Siril

    My congrats to Cherokee. Nice perfomance

  • Jeff

    I have an extensive website that goes into details of Randell Mills’s theory and helps explain some of it to the average person.
    since I can’t post links, it is:
    zhydrogen dot com

    I plan to buy a calorimeter and try Mills experiment where he uses a spot
    welder to ignite a small sample of Copper and Water (.08 grams total).
    The input is 899 J and the output is 3035 J for a net of 2136 J.
    This is listed on page 225 of his patent titled “Power Generation Systems
    and Methods Regarding Same” that is listed on his website (right on the
    home page of blacklightpower dot com)
    Mills used a Parr 1341 caloremeter that costs $7000 new. Maybe I can get a used one for half
    that price. Then I’ll have to modify it to accept the current pulse from
    the spot welder. My guess is it will cost $6 to $10k in materials.
    Can anyone help fund this? Maybe I can get it through a crowd funding site.
    I’m fully qualified to do this experiment since I’ve built accurate
    calorimeters in the past and run high voltage experiments. I have 23
    years experience in mechanical engineering doing many complex projects.
    Jeff Driscoll

    • Brokeeper

      Very impressive Jeff. I wish all the best in achieving your goals.

    • NCkhawk

      Dude – pls. be careful. If you light off a full reaction, don’t you have more of a bomb than a heater?

  • Joie Balke

    The most reliable, simplest and altruistic proof of an energy producing machine would be the original electric bill for the manufacturer’s facility.

  • BroKeeper

    Very impressive Jeff. I wish all the best in achieving your goals.

  • stefan

    Care to be more specific? People tend to be both right and wrong, and I know quite a lot of math
    for knowing that Mill’s theory, if mumbo jumbo, is an insane clever mumbo jumbo. For example
    how the heck can he calculate the g factor to such a precision using first principle, where does he
    fool us? I asked the same to skeptic physisict and just got basically silence as an answer. I would say
    that smart people have a clear argument for it’s sake, You just sound like a troll!

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Who said it was a live feed? They are both costly and tricky compared to a youtube video that will likely come about. Rossi never had live feeds. Cern had a live feed, but that was the only LENR subject ever broadcast live to my knowledge.

    However there was an open invite so maybe RSVP next time instead of crying about it to us.

    Mills is a Harvard Educated medical doctor with medical protocals and inventions in his name. He was top 10% of his class.

    If he chose to work as a Doctor he would likely earn more than an average family combined. Research and developement are not cheap, and he has had third party verification’s along every step he takes.

  • psi2u2

    Obvious. in my experience this is typical of Wikipedia’s almost complete inability to deal in a fair and credible manner with topics of emergent knowledge.

  • Finnish Engineer

    Where is the webcast? Did they have too much on their hands?

  • NCkhawk

    Dude – pls. be careful. If you light off a full reaction, don’t you have more of a bomb than a heater?

  • Hanswurst

    Video is now available!!!