GE Invests Big in Distributed Energy, Combined Heat and Power

Thanks to Greenwin for bringing the following development to my attention.

At an event in Jakarta, Indonesia on February 25th General Electric Company recently announced a program to invest $1.4 billion over the next four years into on-site, or distributed power production, with a focus on the generation of electricity from natural gas power units, and incorporating combined heat and power (CHP) systems in a variety of implementations.

GE released a white paper that explains the program in detail (download required)

In a press release announcing the program, Lorraine Bolsinger, president and CEO of GE’s Distributed Power business, said,

“With more than 1.3 billion people lacking access to reliable power today, our Distributed Power business is ideally positioned to serve communities in both developing and industrialized countries where we see a growing demand for distributed power solutions to improve local energy security and comply with more stringent environmental regulations. The proliferation of distributed power systems is benefitting people and industries around the world because power is crucial to improving the quality of life and economic development.”

Below is a promotional video from GE that promotes the new program.

A link to a whole series of videos on various applications of GE’s distributed power systems can be seen here.

Many people who have been following the LENR story have long suggested that LENR is the kind of technology that would work very well in distributed power systems — and Andrea Rossi’s industrial strength E-Cat plants would seem well suited for this environment. I would expect that the Industrial Heat team will have taken note of this GE development and may well have made contacts to introduce the idea of using E-Cat power instead of natural gas (or other energy source) in distributed power systems.

  • bachcole

    Golly, GE Distributed Power Systems didn’t seem like a meanie head effort to me. Yes, there are meanie head CEOs. I know this because there are meanie head just regular ol’ people, like my neighbor. There are meanie head people everywhere. But this effort by GE will help LENR and will reduce the centralization of power. So where are TPTB when you don’t need them. $1.4 billion is a lot to put forward and not capture the attention of those meanie head PTB.

    • GreenWin

      Rog, resistance to change is normal. Resistance by subterfuge, backstabbing, cheating, lying, etc is unhealthy to humans and other living creatures. GE, like others in the terrestrial energy business, realize there are superior powers at work – and they are not one of them. 🙂 It’s a good thing!

    • georgehants

      Roger, I have rewritten my reply to you on the page —–
      The Earthquake Lightning Mystery — LENR Connection?
      Please read.
      Thank you.

  • georgehants

    Singularity Hub.
    One of the greatest promises of the high-tech future, whether made
    explicitly or implicitly through shiny clean concept sketches, is that
    we will have efficient energy that doesn’t churn pollutants into the air
    and onto the streets.
    But here in the present, politicians and even many clean energy
    advocates maintain that a world run on hydrogen and wind, water and
    solar power is not yet possible due to technical challenges like energy storage and cost.
    Yet Stanford University researchers led by civil engineer Mark Jacobson have
    developed detailed plans for each state in the union that to move to
    100 percent wind, water and solar power by 2050 using only technology
    that’s already available. The plan, presented recently at the AAAS conference in Chicago, also forms the basis for The Solutions Project nonprofit
    “The conclusion is that it’s technically and economically feasible,” Jacobson told Singularity Hub
    http://singularityhub.com/2014/03/08/100-renewable-energy-is-feasible-and-affordable-stanford-proposal-says/

  • georgehants

    Singularity Hub.
    One of the greatest promises of the high-tech future, whether made
    explicitly or implicitly through shiny clean concept sketches, is that
    we will have efficient energy that doesn’t churn pollutants into the air
    and onto the streets.
    But here in the present, politicians and even many clean energy
    advocates maintain that a world run on hydrogen and wind, water and
    solar power is not yet possible due to technical challenges like energy storage and cost.
    Yet Stanford University researchers led by civil engineer Mark Jacobson have
    developed detailed plans for each state in the union that to move to
    100 percent wind, water and solar power by 2050 using only technology
    that’s already available. The plan, presented recently at the AAAS conference in Chicago, also forms the basis for The Solutions Project nonprofit
    “The conclusion is that it’s technically and economically feasible,” Jacobson told Singularity Hub
    http://singularityhub.com/2014/03/08/100-renewable-energy-is-feasible-and-affordable-stanford-proposal-says/

  • roseland67

    As I mentioned in a post maybe 2-3 months ago,
    CHP is gaining traction globally.
    If LENR works as stated, it would be a perfect fit for these applications.
    Am currently working on CHP opportunity for 600 acre project on
    south side of Chicago, local utility is hesitant in supplying power
    so GE is proposing CHP, but obviously with nat gas.
    Wonder when, if ever, LENR will be capable of scaling up to provide
    for these applications, (my lifetime?).

    As usual, in Chicago,
    hands on hips, toe tapping,
    I wait impatiently.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      CHP reigns in a high energy cost environment.
      With LENR’s nearly free fuel cost, CHP will be less important.

      • Fortyniner

        Good point, but for a while at least there would be an advantage in utilising ‘waste’ heat wherever possible as there are grants and tax advantages to be had in many parts of the world for doing this (in Europe in particular).

        • GreenWin

          Agreed Iggy. Engineers will still want to use the 60% waste heat for hot water, chiller cooling, space heating. Why dump it to the enviro if it has value? And as 49er points out, there are grants, subsidies available for CHP and home-based micro-CHP. Nirvana’s entry looks particularly intriguing as their Stirling is thermo-acoustic, with no (discernible) moving parts. A far more important invention than the Higgs, IMO. 🙂

  • roseland67

    As I mentioned in a post maybe 2-3 months ago,
    CHP is gaining traction globally.
    If LENR works as stated, it would be a perfect fit for these applications.
    Am currently working on CHP opportunity for 600 acre project on
    south side of Chicago, local utility is hesitant in supplying power
    so GE is proposing CHP, but obviously with nat gas.
    Wonder when, if ever, LENR will be capable of scaling up to provide
    for these applications, (my lifetime?).

    As usual, in Chicago,
    hands on hips, toe tapping,
    I wait impatiently.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      CHP reigns in a high energy cost environment.
      With LENR’s nearly free fuel cost, CHP will be less important.

      • Good point, but for a while at least there would be an advantage in utilising ‘waste’ heat wherever possible as there are grants and tax advantages to be had in many parts of the world for doing this (in Europe in particular).

        • GreenWin

          Agreed Iggy. Engineers will still want to use the 60% waste heat for hot water, chiller cooling, space heating. Why dump it to the enviro if it has value? And as 49er points out, there are grants, subsidies available for CHP and home-based micro-CHP. Nirvana’s entry looks particularly intriguing as their Stirling is thermo-acoustic, with no (discernible) moving parts. A far more important invention than the Higgs, IMO. 🙂

  • Bernie777

    Like I said a couple of months ago, if LENR can be applied to aeroderivative gas turbines, which I think Rossi is hard at work to accomplish, GE will be in a great position to supply power generators to every industry in the world. Makes me wonder if GE is not deeply involved in the LENR effort.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Like I said a couple of months ago, if LENR can be applied to aeroderivative gas turbines, which I think Rossi is hard at work to accomplish, GE will be in a great position to supply power generators to every industry in the world. Makes me wonder if GE is not deeply involved in the LENR effort.

    • Broncobet

      I read Rossi’s thread and he said the effect might produce energy and might not which sounded very reasonable to me,and not like anyone within miles of have a commercial product.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Read the report from the independent testers.

        http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3697489.ece

        • Broncobet

          You sent me a picture with Italian.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Swedish

          • Broncobet

            Sorry. Does anyone know anything about Arpa-e and their proposals? They will give money to help produce an E Cat devise.All you have to do is write a proposal.They state that all usefull energy is between six centers.In between chemical and nuclear is LENR the deadline is very soon.

  • Alain Samoun

    Also don’t forget Nirvana Energy mentioned by Greenwin some time ago:

    http://www.nirvana-es.com/technology.html

  • Alain Samoun

    Also don’t forget Nirvana Energy mentioned by Greenwin some time ago:

    http://www.nirvana-es.com/technology.html

  • GreenWin

    The implications here pave the way for commercial and political acceptance of a change that has not occurred since the Charles Brush Dynamo fired up at Niagra Falls in 1881. That is, the politically significant de-centralization of electric power generation. GE’s entry into distributed energy signals major change – and IMO, a battle won by a relative handful of entrepreneurs, visionaries, dreamers and recalcitrants. It is a big deal. It means the energy mavens, the aging PTB, have seen the inevitable – energy independence – and like King George III (not our George) – have begrudgingly come to accept it.

    With the giant centralized utility lobby disarmed, the road is relatively clear for the next transitions. The Edison Electric Institute representing nearly all major American utilities is now in bed with the Natural Resources Defense Council – a one-time hard green enviro group. Together they are working to prevent a sudden collapse of metered electric service – as NRDC is heavily invested in renewables. Strange bed fellows – but an inspired alliance to prevent chaos that often accompanies revolution.

    How did we get here? With a lot of extraordinary help, I believe. We could not continue with the status quo. Our energy options had run out. The fossil/fission cabal could no longer feed off of each other. Oil spills, particulate pollution, nuclear disaster all pointed to alternatives. But centralized alternatives, wind and solar have serious economic and enviro issues. They are intermittent, hugely expensive, and require long distance transmission. The analogy I prefer is to the refrigeration business. It was controlled by the centralized ice industry until technology invented and scaled down refrigeration. Then, when people realized they could make their own ice, at home, at their convenience and keep food fresh, longer – the Ice Man was no more.

    “As distributed generation technologies become cheaper and more widely
    adopted, regulated utilities need to find a way to adapt to customers
    being owners, or, according to some critics, go into a death spiral. Solar, residential natural gas turbines and energy storage units are
    among the technologies giving new meaning to the term “power to the
    people.”
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101472289

    The General’s entry into this independent form of energy generation will eventually mirror a 1927 appliance called the “Monitor Top.” It was the world’s first widely available home refrigerator. Made by… General Electric. Smile.

  • GreenWin

    The implications here pave the way for commercial and political acceptance of a change that has not occurred since the Charles Brush Dynamo fired up at Niagra Falls in 1881. That is, the politically significant de-centralization of electric power generation. GE’s entry into distributed energy signals major change – and IMO, a battle won by a relative handful of entrepreneurs, visionaries, dreamers and recalcitrants. It is a big deal. It means the energy mavens, the aging PTB, have seen the inevitable – energy independence – and like King George III (not our George) – have begrudgingly come to accept it.

    With the giant centralized utility lobby disarmed, the road is relatively clear for the next transitions. The Edison Electric Institute representing nearly all major American utilities is now in bed with the Natural Resources Defense Council – a one-time hard green enviro group. Together they are working to prevent a sudden collapse of metered electric service – as NRDC is heavily invested in renewables. Strange bed fellows – but an inspired alliance to prevent chaos that often accompanies revolution.

    How did we get here? With a lot of extraordinary help, I believe. We could not continue with the status quo. Our energy options had run out. The fossil/fission cabal could no longer feed off of each other. Oil spills, particulate pollution, nuclear disaster all pointed to alternatives. But centralized alternatives, wind and solar have serious economic and enviro issues. They are intermittent, hugely expensive, and require long distance transmission. The analogy I prefer is to the refrigeration business. It was controlled by the centralized ice industry until technology invented and scaled down refrigeration. Then, when people realized they could make their own ice, at home, at their convenience and keep food fresh, longer – the Ice Man was no more.

    “As distributed generation technologies become cheaper and more widely
    adopted, regulated utilities need to find a way to adapt to customers
    being owners, or, according to some critics, go into a death spiral. Solar, residential natural gas turbines and energy storage units are
    among the technologies giving new meaning to the term “power to the
    people.”
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101472289

    The General’s entry into this independent form of energy generation will eventually mirror a 1927 appliance called the “Monitor Top.” It was the world’s first widely available home refrigerator. Made by… General Electric. Smile.

    • Broncobet

      There’s plenty of clean energy from nuclear power especially advanced types not yet deployed.GE has been there since the beggining and has it’s hand in every reliable means of energy production.

  • GreenWin

    Rog, resistance to change is normal. Resistance by subterfuge, backstabbing, cheating, lying, etc is unhealthy to humans and other living creatures. GE, like others in the terrestrial energy business, realize there are superior powers at work – and they are not one of them. 🙂 It’s a good thing!

  • Daniel Maris

    So of no relevance to LENR then?

    • GreenWin

      Frank’s last paragraph above pretty well sums up the LENR connection Daniel.

      • Daniel Maris

        There is no LENR connection and the final para doesn’t claim one.

        In its initial stages LENR will be a good fit for conventional grids.

  • Doktor Bob

    I meet with some Americans from GE Energy last week and spoke about Cold Fusion. They had never heard of it and their answer to me was that they “had looked into Hydrogen Fuel Cells but that Lithium was more efficient”. But then – one must remember that GE is sooo big that one hand does not necessarily know what the other hand is doing.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      At least some persons at GE must be aware or LENR, since they participated in a NASA study on aircraft propulsion:

      http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120009038_2012008934.pdf

      The study discusses LENR among other possible energy sources. If this had any consequences regarding the strategy of GE is another question.

      • Doktor Bob

        Yes you are correct Andreas, from the back of my head I – if I am not miss remembering – there should be a few GE Consultants working together with Boeing on their Electrical 747 (lenr) airplanes as well.

  • I met with some Americans from GE Energy last week and spoke about Cold Fusion. They had never heard of it. But then – one must remember that GE is sooo big that one hand does not necessarily know what the other hand is doing.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      At least some persons at GE must be aware or LENR, since they participated in a NASA study on aircraft propulsion:

      http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120009038_2012008934.pdf

      The study discusses LENR among other possible energy sources. If this had any consequences regarding the strategy of GE is another question.

      • Yes you are correct Andreas, from the back of my head I – if I am not miss remembering – there should be a few GE Consultants working together with Boeing on their Electrical 747 (lenr) airplanes as well.

  • Bernie777

    Read the report from the independent testers.

    http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3697489.ece

    • Broncobet

      You sent me a picture with Italian.

      • Bernie777

        Swedish

        • Broncobet

          Sorry. Does anyone know anything about Arpa-e and their proposals? They will give money to help produce an E Cat devise.All you have to do is write a proposal.They state that all usefull energy is between six centers.In between chemical and nuclear is LENR the deadline is very soon.