Report of UNI LENR Lecture by Tom Wind

Here’s a summary of the meeting held at the University of Northern Iowa yesterday.

I arrived at the venue early and after introducing myself to the people who were preparing for the meeting I was warmly greeted, and invited for a soup dinner before the event with Tom Wind and others, which was very pleasant, and I was able to get to know Tom a little there. He is a consulting electrical engineer and has been involved for most of his career working in the wind industry here in the State of Iowa. He told me that the program description of him working for the Iowa Department of Natural Resources was incorrect.

I won’t be able to cover all the content that was presented in the Lecture here — there was so much of it. I was actually surprised about how much ground Tom was able to cover in about an hour and a half, but he did a very good job at summarizing the LENR/Cold Fusion story from the days of Pons and Fleischmann to the very present in a way that was comprehensible to a non-expert audience. The event was filmed and I was told that video of the talk and slideshow will be posted on the UNI website in the near future.

Much of what Tom talked about will be familiar to readers here, so I will just present here some things that I found to be particularly noteworthy.

The event was held at the Center for Energy and Environmental Education (CEEE) at UNI, and sponsored by the Recycling and Reuse Technology Transfer Center. Catherine Zeman, Director of the Recycling and Reuse Technology Transfer Center and Pat Higby, Energy Education Outreach Coordinator made introductions at the lecture, and both expressed enthusiasm about hosting a lecture about ‘cold fusion.’

Tom said he became enamored with the subject of LENR after attending last summer’s ICCF-18 conference at the University of Missouri. He said that he was in awe meeting who he described some of the smartest people in the world there, and felt that this was a field of research that is very important. He mentioned talking to representative of Statoil, Norway’s giant oil company at ICCF, and Tom was surprised to hear that instead of having a negative take on LENR, his attitude was ‘this is great, we need this!’

The most common phrase Tom used throughout the lecture was ‘this is real’. He presented supporting evidences from academic papers, scientific reports and business developments. As far as commercial viability of LENR goes, he mentioned that until Andrea Rossi came on the scene, the levels of excess heat that researchers were obtaining were not at levels that could be useful in commercial products — but Rossi’s work has changed all that. He spent quite a lot of time talking about the E-Cat and emphasized the Levi report as providing solid evidence for the E-Cat’s viability. He showed the familiar pictures of the glowing hot cats and said that it would be impossible for that level of heat to be generated with the electric leads shown. He also mentioned other commercial players such as Brillouin, Defkalion, Jet Energy, Lenuco, and Mitsubishi.

He made some interesting comments regarding the effect of LENR on the utilities industry. At one point, he held up a small vial of nickel powder and said, ‘this is the gift from God to the utility industry’, and explained that Industrial Heat’s approach is to work on an large industrial scale which should involved retrofitting power plants with an E-Cat energy source. Tom mentioned that although he works in the wind industry he actually hopes that LENR will eventually eliminate the need for wind turbines.

Some of his concluding points were:

  • It’s real
  • Nuclear safety is not an issue
  • The theory is still not understood, but commercial products will be available anyway
  • The Chinese will use it first
  • This technology will be of great benefit to the poorer people of the world

I was a little disappointed that there were not more people in attendance — I counted around 20 attendees at the lecture. But the level of interest seemed high among members of the audience, and there were interesting questions and discussions following the lecture. I was introduced by Tom to the audience following the lecture. I was particularly pleased to meet other people in my part of the world who are following the story, and I got some contact details of some people, so we can stay in touch. I asked Pat Higby if there might be a chance for future events like this at the CEEE at UNI, and she seemed in favor.

I will keep an eye out for the posting of the video of the lecture.

  • artefact

    Thanks for your efforts!

    • big thanks too!
      Not a surprise, but very good it is said in public.

  • artefact

    Thanks for your efforts!

    • big thanks too!
      Not a surprise, but very good it is said in public.

  • Harry

    Wow, great summary. Wish I could have been there and I can see that your energies were not wasted. Keep up the good work!

  • bachcole

    Excellent report, Frank. This report made my day. I was bouncing up and down for joy reading it. And I am PARTICULARLY happy to hear that he and other people in other energy technology sectors aren’t jealous or resentful or skeptical. I am so very glad that they were so positive. I think that we here in ECW think too much in stereotypes, thinking that all oil people or all wind people or all environmentalists are going to be negative about LENR. These people are actually human beings who love their children and grandchildren, and who wants to live in a polluted world.

    And don’t worry too much about there only being 20 people there. Remember that enthusiasm counts for a lot, and that Jesus only had 14 enthusiastic people. We have hundreds if not thousands, and now we have 20 more.

    I just hope the establishment doesn’t try to break Wind.

    Sorry about that. I just can’t help myself sometimes. That joke added to my joy for today. Now I can go wash a pile of dishes chuckling to myself. (:->)

  • bachcole

    Excellent report, Frank. This report made my day. I was bouncing up and down for joy reading it. And I am PARTICULARLY happy to hear that he and other people in other energy technology sectors aren’t jealous or resentful or skeptical. I am so very glad that they were so positive. I think that we here in ECW think too much in stereotypes, thinking that all oil people or all wind people or all environmentalists are going to be negative about LENR. These people are actually human beings who love their children and grandchildren, and who wants to live in a polluted world.

    And don’t worry too much about there only being 20 people there. Remember that enthusiasm counts for a lot, and that Jesus only had 14 enthusiastic people. We have hundreds if not thousands, and now we have 20 more.

    I just hope the establishment doesn’t try to break Wind.

    Sorry about that. I just can’t help myself sometimes. That joke added to my joy for today. Now I can go wash a pile of dishes chuckling to myself. (:->)

  • Fortyniner

    Thanks Frank for attending and reporting on this event. It seems to me that although what was said was obviously important, who it was said to is probably of more immediate interest. I wonder if you got an overview of who the 20 or so attendees were, who they represented and at what level if commercial, media or academic?

    • ecatworld

      From the people I spoke with it was mainly people from the University (staff and students), and people in the energy industry. No media other than myself as far as I could tell.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        It’s good news that people from the industry were present. The interest of the industry is presumably more important than mainstream media coverage or papers in scientific journals, at least in the current situation.

      • Bernie777

        That says it all about our media……they are absent

  • Thanks Frank for attending and reporting on this event. It seems to me that although what was said was obviously important, who it was said to is probably of more immediate interest. I wonder if you got an overview of who the 20 or so attendees were, who they represented and at what level if commercial, media or academic?

    • Frank Acland

      From the people I spoke with it was mainly people from the University (staff and students), and people in the energy industry. No media other than myself as far as I could tell.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        It’s good news that people from the industry were present. The interest of the industry is presumably more important than mainstream media coverage or papers in scientific journals, at least in the current situation.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        That says it all about our media……they are absent

  • Sanjeev

    Great report ! I’m glad to see more people joining the lenr bandwagon. As I said in some comments here that engineers are more enthusiastic about lenr than academics, which is a good thing because the engineers in the field of mechanical, chemical and electrical are going to push this tech further. Engineers have an attitude – if it works , lets use it.

  • Sanjeev

    Great report ! I’m glad to see more people joining the lenr bandwagon. As I said in some comments here that engineers are more enthusiastic about lenr than academics, which is a good thing because the engineers in the field of mechanical, chemical and electrical are going to push this tech further. Engineers have an attitude – if it works , lets use it.

  • mcloki

    The Chinese will use it first. That is the line that should shake the US military to it’s core. They have been looking to make China enemy number 1 for a long time. since they have not be a able to do so they now face cuts. You know the military industrial complex can’t stand losing profit. Now they have a new boogie man. A boogie man with an inexhaustible power supply able to make long loiter drones. Expect a lot of research go into this field very soon.

    • Omega Z

      Why do you assume the U.S. Military doesn’t already have LENR Technology available to it.
      The Military started investigating this phenomena at least as far back as 1961.

      As to China having it 1st, This opinion is probably based on the IH contact with the Chinese Research Park of which probably concerns after market add on components.

      I fully expect the E-cats themselves to be built stateside in an automated system. There would be no cost advantage building them in China. In fact, they could probably be built cheaper in the U.S.

  • mcloki

    The Chinese will use it first. That is the line that should shake the US military to it’s core. They have been looking to make China enemy number 1 for a long time. since they have not be a able to do so they now face cuts. You know the military industrial complex can’t stand losing profit. Now they have a new boogie man. A boogie man with an inexhaustible power supply able to make long loiter drones. Expect a lot of research go into this field very soon.

    • bachcole

      The US military should not fear China, although they might. China’s only expansionist tendencies in the past 50 years has been for the oil in the South China Sea; with LENR, the South China Sea will not longer seem so attractive to them.

      China is not a very expansionist culture, although after watching more than 50 episodes of the British television show “MI-5” and having conversations with several special forces dudes, I have come to realize that there is a lot more going on that we don’t see. In the news, two countries may seem to be at peace, but in the real world of real spooks, it can be warfare, with murders, betrayals, lies, throat cuttings, seductions (the only part I like) back stabbing (literally), deception, poisonings, information stealing, disinformation, more murders, sleeper cells, satellite surveillance, etc. etc. And the CIA doesn’t have any kind of a monopoly on this kind of behavior.

      I digress deliberately: Given the horrendous invisible war going on, Snowden’s behavior doesn’t seem quite so wonderful and liberating. One has to wonder how many people he killed because of his revelations. I also wonder when we as nation-states are going to grow-up and stop hating and killing each other. Canada and the USA, we are doing just fine. Mexico and the USA, not so good. China and the USA, or China and Russia, or Russia and the USA, it is as I describe above, hidden warfare, total and complete distrust.

      • georgehants

        Roger, I hope you are doing your bit to free Tibet on the Internet.

        • bachcole

          I certainly support the freeing of Tibet in my mind and heart. “If my thought-dreams could be seen, they [the Chinese government] would put my head in a guillotine.” {With apologies to Bob Dylan} But since I figure that it is a lost cause, I haven’t mentioned it much on the Internet.

      • orsobubu

        Bachcole, you already liquidated me rudely, in the past, because I only said profit cannot be so easily explained as:”you buy low , then sell high”. I again guarantee this is, in general, absolutely impossible, for mathematical reasons you we’ll find in every political economy manual (in fact, average enterprises have profits equal to zero). Now, I can see you also have some problems in the international relationships field. You can hope all day and all night long about nations growing up and love each other, if you want: but, exactly for the same reasons that profit is exclusively a class exploitation phenomenon, I guarantee that conflicting imperialism directly derives from economic, materialistic factors; so, if you don’t remove exploitation, profit, money, market and – in a word – capitalism, the imperialist blocks will never cease to make economic war (when the cycle is overall positive, as today, China exports capitals and expands its influence sphere happily in every corner of Africa, for example) and military war when things turn badly (overextended US are in strategical relative decline, for example: can they permit to lose the grip? Never in history an empire lost its predominance without fight, especially if this decline would have resulted in internal turmoil). LENRs will represent simply another tool in the arsenals.

        • bachcole

          orsobubu, you are getting way too complicated for little ol’ me.

          Your economic determinism does not explain why one nation’s imperialism is so mild (USA) and another nation’s imperialism is so vicious (Nazi Germany) and another nation isn’t the slightest bit interested in imperialism (Iceland), etc. Perhaps if you explain that to me, I will understand.

          And I didn’t liquidate you; you are still here. I merely dismissed your thinking because it is tooooo materialistic. Nations will grow up when people grow up, and not before.

          • georgehants

            Roger your statement “Nations will grow up when people grow up, and not before.”
            Is equivalent to saying people will die when they die.
            You seem to be saying that any medical intervention will not change things and that nothing should be done to learn or teach.

        • Christina

          A capitalistic system is the best economic system this planet’s found. Albeit, it has many problems because it’s run by people. Other systems have problems built into them too: they build despot faster. The people of true republic–like ours used to be–trust God, follow his rules, and don’t need socialist government to hand out food for their children because they have traditional families.

          Children in families with both parents are happier, healthier, and richer in our capitalistic system. Don’t ask me about the poor? I ask you why they haven’t got a good enough education to make a good living? Cities should make certain that all schools have enough funds to be good schools no matter their location. Parents should absolutely urge their kids to go to college and to get good grades in high school. Less sports, more academics should be focused on in the junior and high schools so the kids settle down and study. We should fix that as voters and pay extra taxes because education is a priority–but only if it produces employable people. Maybe our high schools should be six years long so the kids can graduate with AA’s in a field of their choosing.

          Maybe we should promote that instead of free hand outs, television and movie stars, and drugs. Kids will feel better about themselves when they’ve had an education that prepares them for the real world because a great education has always been the backbone of our economy.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            I agree capitalism is the best system, but if not regulated in turns into anarchy.

    • Omega Z

      Why do you assume the U.S. Military doesn’t already have LENR Technology available to it.
      The Military started investigating this phenomena at least as far back as 1961.

      As to China having it 1st, This opinion is probably based on the IH contact with the Chinese Research Park of which probably concerns after market add on components.

      I fully expect the E-cats themselves to be built stateside in an automated system. There would be no cost advantage building them in China. In fact, they could probably be built cheaper in the U.S.

      • bachcole

        Given that the Chinese are remarkably un-imperialistic, except for a slight feign in the South China Sea for oil, I am very glad that they are acquiring LENR and I hope that they continue. I am not afraid of them, unless of course I were a Free Tibet activist, and LENR is not going to change Tibet’s problems. There are still going to be all kinds of problems in the world, internationally speaking, including too much nationalism and religiosity.

      • bachcole

        “Why do you assume the U.S. Military doesn’t already have LENR Technology available to it.” Because my military friends and family have never mentioned LENR and my mentioning LENR is another reason why they think that I am a nutcase; because no one can keep a secret like this, as in the Manhattan Project. Why do you assume the U.S. Military already has LENR Technology available to it? That is just conspiratorial delusional thinking. If they had it, we would know about within a couple of years. We don’t know about it, therefore they don’t have it until very recently, if at all.

  • georgehants

    Super Frank thank you.
    Would have been a little better if you had not slept last night but stayed up to write your report, ready for us Brits to absorb while reading our ironed Times newspaper at breakfast.
    Ha

  • georgehants

    Super Frank thank you.
    Would have been a little better if you had not slept last night but stayed up to write your report, ready for us Brits to absorb while reading our ironed Times newspaper at breakfast. Ha.

  • Oystein Lande

    I’m surprised to hear that a Statoil representative attended the CCF – as an official capacity of the Company – or private I wonder? Anyhow, I hope it will gain some traction now, with the help of a commercial breakthrough. Then we can also hope some serious research funding are provided into the theories, and will open up a new wonderfull area of physics – finally….25 years after Fleischmann and Pons.
    Regards
    Lande

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Yes the Hot-Cat is fantastic but as we approach the 25th anniversary of F&P’s March 23rd, 1989 announcement let’s remember that they were getting close to being successful. For example, a palladium-deuterium reactor that never received much attention made plenty of heat for weeks. See Les Case’s “football” at ~ 36:30.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k
      .
      I think the problem was the cost. Palladium is just too expensive. That will change when Mitsubishi starts transmuting zirconium into palladium.

      Zr(90) + 6d > Pd(102)

      Zr(92) + 6d > Pd(104)

      Zr(94) + 6d > Pd(106)

      Zr(96) + 6d > Pd(108)

  • Oystein Lande

    I’m surprised to hear that a Statoil representative attended the CCF – as an official capacity of the Company – or private I wonder? Anyhow, I hope it will gain some traction now, with the help of a commercial breakthrough. Then we can also hope some serious research funding are provided into the theories, and will open up a new wonderfull area of physics – finally….25 years after Fleischmann and Pons.
    Regards
    Lande

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Yes the Hot-Cat is fantastic but as we approach the 25th anniversary of F&P’s March 23rd, 1989 announcement let’s remember that they were getting close to being successful. For example, a palladium-deuterium reactor that never received much attention made plenty of heat for weeks. See Les Case’s “football” at ~ 36:30.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k
      .
      I think the problem was the cost. Palladium is just too expensive. That will change when Mitsubishi starts transmuting zirconium into palladium.

      Zr(90) + 6d > Pd(102)

      Zr(92) + 6d > Pd(104)

      Zr(94) + 6d > Pd(106)

      Zr(96) + 6d > Pd(108)

  • georgehants

    Roger your statement “Nations will grow up when people grow up, and not before.”
    Is equivalent to saying people will die when they die.
    You seem to be saying that any medical intervention will not change things and that nothing should be done to learn or teach.

  • roseland67

    thanks for taking the time to attend

  • R101

    Sounds very promising. Thanks Frank!

  • R101

    Sounds very promising. Thanks Frank!

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    Hope. Thank you Frank!

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    Hope. Thank you Frank!

  • Bernie777

    Frank, Thanks for attending and report.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Frank, Thanks for attending and report.

  • clovis ray

    Nice report frank, thanks a million, things are on the move, the long wait is almost over, hold on too your hats.

  • clovis ray

    Nice report frank, thanks a million, things are on the move, the long wait is almost over, hold on too your hats.

  • thombush