Report of Day Two at the Cold Fusion Colloquium at MIT

Many thanks to Barry Simon for submitting the following report of today’s proceedings at the cold fusion colloquium at MIT.

The lectures started off with Arik El-Boher from Mizzou (University of Missouri). Sidney Kimmel donated $5.5 million for the Sidney Kimmel Institute for Nuclear Renaissance there. With that money they have seven groups working on separate aspects of CF, then they collaborate their info with seven labs/companies (the last of which to sign up was Aerospace.) There’s a group with proper support as opposed to MIT, where Peter Hagelstein is the CF lone wolf who was happy to line up a technician this past weekend to help with research. He said he has a credit card with some room on it to pay her with and I’m afraid he was not joking.

It was so great to meet, talk to and thank people I’ve only seen on Youtube like George Miley and Francesco Celani (great people) to name a few. I even got to meet Ruby Carat who was busy conducting many interviews. Jeremy Rys is recording the entire event and promises a summary similar to the one he did for his CF 101 class.

I’m looking forward to some of you watching the videos and giving your take on things because my head is still hurting from trying to wrap it around CF theory. I tend to favor the Edison approaches and findings. Mitchell Swartz and the NANOR progress is a must see. George Miley is no longer working with beads, but clusters similar to Jet Energy. In fact, Miley compared his CF device to a large NANOR. He’s getting peaks of 12 COP and said with funding he could have a home heating product on the market in two years.

My interest in cold fusion is not so much in the deeper science (did I mention my head still hurts) but is more in following the unfolding history and potential. For instance:

A young colleague (I wish I could find his name) of Tadahiko Mizuno (who joined us through Skype for a brief time with Q and A) presented for TM. He showed a video of children of Japan wearing masks and being checked for radiation after Fukushima. This is why he got involved with CF. He wanted clean energy for the people of his country — present and future.

Or the last slide of Franceco Calani that ended with, “I would be happy, as usual, to share all the details of the experiments in the genuine spirit of Live Open Science for the advantage of mankind.”

Then he informed us that the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project is officially a candidate for the Nobel Prize (Bob Greenyer wouldn’t brag about that, but I will). That’s why I go to these events.

Too much unmentioned. Watch the vids.

Peace, Barry

  • Fortyniner

    Once again Barry, many thanks for being our eyes and ears (and brain – despite protestations). I look forward to watching the videos of this important event.

    On a side note, I wish Peter Hagelstein would up sticks from the hostile environment he appears to be working in and move to an organisation that would appreciate his findings, dedication and hard work, and fund him properly. No-one who is not in a commercial race should have to max out his personal credit card to pay for a research assistant, and his devices deserve development that is not limited by such factors.

    • georgehants

      Soon MIT will be claiming how much they have always worked on Cold Fusion by allowing all the conventions and “supporting” the work of Peter Hagelstein etc.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Yeah but on this 25th anniversary we won’t forget it. And we won’t forget that Peter Hagelstein and George Miley had their funding blocked and that Robert Duncan was called a charlatan when he came to the conclusion that cold fusion was real. (at 1:15).
        Et cetera…

        It’s not 1989. The old farts won’t be able to play their same old game. They’ve overplayed their pedigree cards and they’ve worn them out. The new generation will point out that the emperor has no clothes.

        • Fortyniner

          In support of old farts everywhere I would just note that the majority of CF researchers and ‘doers’ tend to be (well) over 50 (MFMP group excepted, obviously), and even the audiences of events such as the MIT colloquium appear to be at least 95% over retirement age:

          I think it’s more a question of how much an individual has invested in maintaining the status quo, than age as such, that influences the actions of those who seek to head off cold fusion.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Yeah Fortyniner, I’m in the old fart club myself (see my one sentence letter to C&E News where I misspelled Fleischmann, May15, 1989) and I know there’s a lot of gray hair at the talks at MIT today but I don’t think that’s a representative sample. I was thinking more about the young man at NASA (Doug Wells), the high school kids in Italy and John Dash’s students.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Thanks for the coaching Fortyniner, I’m sure senile disinhibition will enable me to come up with a more precise pejorative.

          • NT

            Ya Alan, me too a very old fart and yet still very active with an open mind to boot on CF, Placebo and Homeopathy. I was an old chemist when P & F announced – excited then and still so…

          • question of freedom. Young researcher are slaves of publication indices, of funding commission, of research trends….

            note you can add Celani to the list, just defunded, thanks to Oggi Sapiens&others clowns.

            One capitalist (not so much in fact, let us say liberal) angel.

          • georgehants

            Good picture of the wrinklies at MIT, some of them look almost as bad as I do.

    • Job001

      Share your sympathy for Peter Hagelstein in his obviously hostile MIT environment where funding is primarily from extractionists old school energy.
      Obvious science funding corruption is prosecutable as it has been for pharmaceutical corruption or under tort law.
      Perhaps a legal source can determine if this obviously hostile environment fits best under RICO statutes, EEOC, or antitrust law.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Tsinghue University has always supported LENR. Maybe that’s the place for him.

  • Nixter

    When this indecorous episode of scientific controversy and contention has been finally settled, Cold Fusion Colloquiums like this one will forever change the very definition of Science itself. Let us hope that in the future, similar attempts to label emerging science’ as pathological or “Junk” science will not be so easy to accomplish as it apparently has been over the last thirty years. While under the control of dysfunctional University organizations, they seem to have been working diligently to hinder new discoveries instead of promoting and investigating them as should be done to benefit all of humankind. All parties involved in this fiasco should question the motivation and rationale of these institutions, the amount of damage done is incalculable. There should be steps taken to reform the corrupt and inept systems that made it all too easy to nullify one of the greatest physics and chemistry discoveries of our time. If this can be accomplished, perhaps the next technological leap will be nurtured and cultivated, instead of being hindered and scorned for all the wrong reasons. Humanities very survival could hinge on its ability to move forward, to achieve a level of understanding and scientific development that will allow us to reach our full, unfettered potential. The unknown challenges of the future will be best met with a wide array of technological tools, unfettered by human idiosyncrasies and eccentricities.

    • Steve H

      Sounds analogous to the banking crisis.

      • georgehants

        Not enough, but some bankers are tried and imprisoned for their corruption and incompetence.
        When will that begin in science, where the cost in Human terms of their crimes in Cold Fusion, medicine etc. etc. are far more deadly.

  • georgehants

    A year or two ago even a rumour about Cold Fusion was enough to cause excitement on page, now having ten or twenty Wonderful brave scientific Rebels holding a convention seems almost old hat.
    I think Cold Fusion is at last winning the battle, after 24 years of corruption and incompetence.
    Admin needs to start thinking of the next battle to free scientific thinking from it’s chains.
    I would suggest the Placebo Effect as a very important candidate that like Cold Fusion is denied and debunked by most of science, yet fully and open-mindedly Researched could improve the lives of millions.

    • artefact

      George, its 25 years today!

      • georgehants

        Ha, well science and religion managed to hide and debunk the Earth being round for a thousand years so I suppose we should be happy that things have improved.
        When one of the scientific comics drag themselves into reality and prints an editorial on the Truth of Cold Fusion then we can stop counting the years of their corruption and incompetence.
        When we all listen to Scientific Researchers and good theorists, who are the important people and not the pen pushing irrelevant bureaucrats known as editors, and they are rightly relegated to realising they are just menial unimportant cogs in the machine, then science may improve.

    • Obvious

      Good idea. I think the ideal scientific test would be to see if placebo poison is as effective as placebo medicine. Shall we start testing using invertebrates and work our way up, or just start with humans?

      • georgehants

        Hi Obvious, as I stated we would have to start all over again with the Placebo, going through all the denial and debunking just like Cold Fusion.
        The effect you mention is of course the Nocebo Effect, well known and used by Voodoo and Witch doctors for millennium.
        Unless you can connect with the reasoning mind of a invertebrate that could be difficult, but it would I suppose be fair to assume that if you looked after a insect well and it trusted you, it would be happy and healthy, a little like the proven Evidence for plant awareness.

  • BroKeeper

    Thanks Toshira. Japan would be a perfect platform to kick start LENR commercialization. Japan’s innovation and manufacturing is known for its high superior products which has won the Deming Prize – the world’s oldest and most prestigious of such awards since 1951 and the country’s industrial benchmark for quality. Once marketed from Japan there will no longer be doubts of LENR’s realization and importance.

  • georgehants

    Roger as on many occasions I do not have a clue what you are rambling on about.
    If you wish to comment on Homoeopathy fine, but as I have not mentioned it I would appreciate your not putting words in my mouth, again, based on your strangely distorted imagination.
    Thank you.

  • Job001

    Na, agreed Peter H is a hero AND he has been career damaged as were F&P, who were disgraced, lost jobs, and were exiled. Likewise many others in this field. Evidence; what Peter H has said many times, that work in this field is hazardous to ones career.

  • georgehants

    Thank you Roger, I can at least understand what you are saying in this reply.
    If you wish to use the term deceive for the Placebo then that is fine, but it’s powerful positive effects are no deception and must be competently Researched.
    Regarding your completely different subject of Homoeopathy etc. I have an open-mind as with all such reported treatments, but I am clearly not discussing the pro or con of those treatments here.
    They should all be treated with respect and competently Researched.
    Unfortunately the religious establishment of science does not allow Research based on Evidence, but in these cases rely’s exclusively on the debunking and denial of the “expert opinion” of it’s holy priests.

  • Fortyniner

    No, Peter Hagelstein is not a victim. He has been at MIT for about 30 years and probably has many personal reasons for not wanting to leave, so remaining there is as you say, his choice.

    Although his work continues slowly *despite* the best efforts of the MIT physics department administrators, it is obviously crippled by the lack of funds and colleague support. His (and Swartz’s) research is among the more interesting CF initiatives, and with decent financial support could probably produce a replacement for batteries in all portable electronic devices, AND confirm the reality of CF beyond any doubt – which would be quite a prize. Given his present circumstances though, such an outcome seems less likely.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Mizuno’s paper is very significant.

    • Mr. Moho

      Are suggestions and methods from this paper at least in part applicable to the work done by Celani/MFMP?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Mathieu and I have been discussing the paper (some of which was shown at ICCF18) this morning and we might be able to re-configure the Mizuno wet cell that he has built with JPB to run similar experiments, but more likely learning from this will feed into our “powder push” work.

        Given that Takahashi saw a 10 fold increase in excess heat when he moved from silica included Ni particles to Silica included CuNi particles (more similar to Celani), It would be interesting if Mizuno swapped the Ni wires for Constantan and re-run a few experiments, if he observed similar gains, it would make it a practical source of LENR heat.

        • Mr. Moho

          Powders tend to sinter, however. If wires (including Celani’s) or similar discrete and potentially active elements (rods, plates, etc) can be worked/enhanced in a way to produce the needed nanocavities/structures, wouldn’t it be better and more likely to reliably work especially over prolonged periods of time?

          • Bob Greenyer

            @Mr. Moho

            We are considering a wide range of reaction matrix, for some discussion on this – please visit our recent blog


          • roseland67

            Mr. Moho,
            Powders do tend to cinter but if they don’t, their use makes available so much more effective surface area for reaction & heat transfer, probably why powders are selected.
            interesting times ahead.

  • georgehants

    From Vortex with thanks
    :Goodnight from the MIT colloquium
    Steve High
    Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:53:35 -0700
    Well the conference is over and I would like to tell you about the serious
    emotions that bubbled up at the end. Dr Hagelstein had the last word and he
    wished to observe that today was the 25th anniversary of the Pons and
    Fleischmann announcement. I’ve noticed before that he tends to have a somewhat
    pessimistic view of the prospects for cold fusion. He described the field as
    hanging on by its fingernails, and recounted how few research groups are active
    now compared to four years after the announcement. He also said he was feeling
    a glimmering of hope, and acknowledged the apparent success and good feeling
    generated by the just completed colloquium.
    He then moved to recognize the friends that are no longer with us, and
    literally hit a brick wall. His eyes filled with tears and he was not able to
    speak the name of Martin Fleischman or the others. At the suggestion of the
    audience he wrote on the chalkboard “Thanks for twenty five years of struggle
    and hard work”. I sensed that his sadness was for the deceased, but also for
    the wearying burden he himself has carried for the last twenty-five years. All
    those years of pushing a stone uphill, the best years of his life, with so
    little support or recognition. I say the good doctor has no reason to feel bad
    about his show of emotion. The whole conference was touched and found meaning
    in it. Now for those of us who are becoming more certain that the winds of
    change are blowing at last, to find the gumption to push this thing over the
    finish line!
    Steve High

  • in fact most academic community like parliaments, are middle school playground.
    the problem is not that, it is that one middle school class give order to another middle school class about how to behave, what is true, how to see if it is true, and what not to look at.

    If humanity cannot be perfect, at least variety and independence may allow somme intelligence to emerge from the chaos, and be selected by Darwinian selection.

    the error is that APS give order to chemist, to journalist, to scientific journals, to CEA, to BARC, to CNRS,…
    they even tried to give order to japanse or Chinese researchers… they succeeded finally to give order to INFN, to Russian scientists…

    Stupidity, incompetence, groupthink, should stay local.

  • Charles

    For a real fit, I need a size 8 3/4 hat. Believe you me, they are hard to come by. So far I have exactly none, but that is ok with me.

  • Charles

    Right. You can’t say: “He has bad wrinkles”. You must say: “He is badly wrinkled”.

  • GreenWin

    Thanks Barry! You make the Bay State proud!

  • Bob Greenyer

    He has developed a way to process material in situ, generating pure clean nano structures safely of the right size and he says what size that is.

    He has done 50 experiments, 25 showing excess heat. He has characterised to a certain extent what does and does not work both for H and D.

    Significant sustained excess heat in some cases for long durations.

    He has confirmed it is nuclear in origin.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Thank you Barry for keeping everyone informed.

    As I understand it, the nomination was for the inclusive crowd Live Open Science nature of our work, with Francesco Celani having enabled its birth with his own courageous act of cooperation. It is not specifically for LENR. It may bring a few more eyeballs to the scene which will be good, especially at this time with such great advances being made, especially by the Japanese (Technova, Mitsubishi, Mizuno) I think that Fukushima had a catalytic effect on motivation in the land of the rising sun.

    I hope that other nations are starting to take seriously the geopolitical harm that energy scarcity and dependancy is doing to people that just want to get on with their lives in peace. European and American governments/organisations must start to take a similar supportive approach to the advancement of this science as no man is an island and it is piteous to be forced to make immoral choices because of those that can control the current energy supply.

    Personally, I’d vote for Edward Snowdon.

  • Barry8

    Hello Toshiro,
    I’m not sure if it was Mr. Igari or Hideki Yoshino. I should know because he was in the Cold Fusion class at MIT. His presentation of Dr. Mizuno’s work was very interesting and when he showed pictures of the children of Japan after Fukuishima, it inspired me to get more politically involved in Cold Fusion. It has been repressed in the last couple of years at MIT. I ‘m in the final stages of gathering facts that should be presented to the public. Suppressing Cold Fusion is an abuse of power and a crime against humanity. Peace to you.

  • Obvious

    I was poking around looking for info on heavy electrons and found this old article about “impossible” superconductors, which reads a lot like CF research history, except the weird combos (like UPt3) that superconducted were easier to replicate… but researchers were still very short on theory at the time. Some researchers buried info on “impossible” superconductors into footnotes in their papers.

    • Celani made the error not to use footnote

      “(1983-1987). After the experience with silicon detectors (sensitivity of about 1e-/3.6eV energy released), I decided to study innovative detectors having an equivalent sensitivity thousand times larger. So I started to study Superconducting Tunnel Junctions (Ni-Pb; T=4.2K), in collaboration with Salerno University, having an intrinsic energy gap of only few meV. Found some quite intriguing results using thick junctions on 1985. One of these were contaminated (by chance) from several other elements and showed behaviour similar to superconductivity even at temperature as large as 77K (LN2). It was stated a multi-disciplinary Commission in order to clarify the origin of such signals. Unfortunately the results were rejected, a-priori, because in disagreement with the BCS model/theory (i.e. max temperature of superconductivity stated at 32K). One year later Bednorz and Muller (from IBM, Zurich), independently (and starting from different points of view), found similar results in Cuprate Oxides mixed with rare-hearts and got Nobel Prize.”

      With Mosaic it makes a fantastic article for my scoopit

      the parallel for cold fusion, shown in Mosaic article is fascinating…

      and HTSC was discovered out of US academic world…

      not in CERN by Celani…

      but not far…

      it seems academic is the problem.

      I’ve heard exactly the same stories for Germanium resistivity which was victim of parasitic PN junction… causing many report in the drawer, like Fralick report.

  • Fortyniner

    Green baseball cap and beard? You look like the youngest there, apart perhaps from the blonde woman at the back! Some of the others suggest that having a crash cart in attendance might have been a good idea.

    • Barry8

      Yeah, that’s why I try to hang out with these guys, makes me feel young. There was a new, young guy on the block, Nikita Alexandrov with a brand new CF company Permanetix but their website is a bit wanting. He seemed competitive with a goal of going after the $ that will be coming up and doing what it takes to get it, “Permanetix Corporation is one of the most dynamic, streamlined and forward looking companies operating in the field today.” Bold statement for a company that is a month old. Ah.. kids today.

  • Obvious

    It goes straight to pdf, sorry about that. I try not to do that if avoidable. I offer no warranty for the link in general.