E-Cat Patent Still Unapproved in US — Examiner States Process is 'Inoperable'

Andrea Rossi’s attempt to get a US patent approved for his E-Cat continues without so far any sign of a conclusion. Thanks to Artefact for finding the latest action via the USPTO web site, which is a “non-final rejection” of the application. Patent examiner Sean Burke provides some reasoning behind this recent rejection, basically stating that what Rossi claims is impossible.

For details, go to http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair and use the following information:

Control Number: 12736193
Tab: Transaction History

Burke’s rejection letter can be seen at the link “non-final rejection” under the “Image File Wrapper” tab. Here are some of his statements (Thanks LENR G):

“The specification is objected to as inoperable. Specifically there is no evidence in the corpus of nuclear science to substantiate the claim that nickel will spontaneously ionize hydrogen gas and thereafter “absorb” the resulting proton…”

“There is presently no peer-reviewed evidence to demonstrate the spontaneous fusion of nickel and protons…”

“Additionally the Examiner notes that if the reaction occurred as claimed by the Applicant, it would also spontaneously occur in nature.. not be patentable subject matter,,.”

“…the specification and all claims are found to be inoperable.”

Below is the table of events concerning this patent, titled “METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR CARRYING OUT NICKEL AND HYDROGEN EXOTHERMAL REACTION”.

To have this patent awarded would be a major achievement for Rossi and Industrial Heat, but there is no indication of when that might happen, or if indeed it will. The challenge for Rossi, I think, is to provide enough information to satisfy the patent office, while retaining certain key information so as to keep his competitors from knowing all the secrets involved in the E-Cat. I don’t know if such a balancing act can be achieved. Maybe a successful third party test report will serve to persuade the patent office that the E-Cat is not pure fantasy. The rejection is not final, so maybe there is hope yet for Rossi with this application.

  • Christina

    Albeit, I didn’t read all this stuff because I know I won’t understand it; but shouldn’t the people at the patent office f-i-n-a-l-l-y know that the E-Cat is real.

    So why can’t they just see a demonstration and grant the patent on that?

    I know: That’s not the way it’s done. Perhaps it should be done that way because of the apparent increased complexity of today’s inventions.

    May God bless Dr. Rossi’s efforts.

    Everyone have a great day and may God bless you.

    • Curbina

      Basically, patent office reviews the patent in the context of what is currently accepted as prior art. In that context, LENR “is impossible”. Even if it’s demonstrated, as prior art says it is impossible, then it is considered a scientific discovery, and hence not patentable because it was previously unknown. It’s kind of a circular logic, and in this case, a very tragic one.

      • Christina

        Thank you,Curbina, for clarifying it although it sounds like over the years it’s become a real mystery, even to those in the patent office–like the tax code.

  • Christina

    Sorry, but I’m just upset.

    The best help for the country is being nixed by another paper trail.

    Gads.

    • bachcole

      And paper trial, trail and trial. Rossi is being tried in the court of bureaucratic bullshit, paper pushers corrupted by intellectual bias and perhaps even greed.

  • Arnd

    The reason why there is even a patent system is the opposite: Inventors should tell the public about everything that makes their invention work. For that openness they are granted a time of protection, so that the knowlegde after that time can become public. In medieval times “trade secrets” often died out because the inventor never wrote it down, instead he gave it to his son. Of course this son can die suddenly, burying the trade secret. Or he doesn’t give a damn and does something else. To avoid such situations we have a patent system. It’s NOT meant to be a weapon as it is used today. So, if Rossi wants patent protection he needs to spill the beans. All the beans.

  • mcloki

    The most damning one is the “occurs naturally.” For Rossi. Great for the rest of the world. No one can suppress it through a patent. AS far a scientific peer review. that comes through 1000’s of hours of observation and theory.

  • mcloki

    The most damning one is the “occurs naturally.” For Rossi. Great for the rest of the world. No one can suppress it through a patent. AS far a scientific peer review. that comes through 1000’s of hours of observation and theory.

  • Like a cold shower.

    What happens next?
    Publication of 3rd party independent testing?
    Industrial Heat’s big reveal?
    Swartz supplies a NANOR to MFMP and they validate?
    NASA makes a big announcement?
    Irrefutable Defkalion demo and independent verification?
    Brillouin’s Korean partner makes a public statement?
    Clean Planet demonstrates a 1 kW prototype with COP > 2?
    LENUCO ponies up an actual prototype?
    One of MFMP’s reactor tests show irrefutable energy gain?
    Nichenergy emerges from the shadows?
    Additional companies come forward?

    Nothing? It all just fades away?

    • Bob Greenyer

      I recon MIZUNOs group, they have the right approach, are willing to share definite results and are building 1kw and 10kw test reactors. Rossi better hurry up,some people would like to do this for untold riches, others – like the japanese need to do it for basic survival.

  • jonnyb

    Why can’t they grant the Patent, if it does not work then it will just join the very long list of useless Patents. Rossi does have some good test results, so it would have be prudent for the Patent Office to ask for more evidence as a working model would normally suffice, if they could prove beyond doubt that the excess heat could not come from a known process. In my humble opinion, Bar Humbug.

    • bachcole

      Yes, there are tons of patents for things that didn’t work. And there are tons of patents for things that worked but the market rejected. And there are tons of patents about things that we clearly and distinctly see as being ridiculous and never made any headway in the marketplace. So Sean Burke’s assertion that he can’t give a patent is a BIG, FAT LIE. What he said was a BIG, FAT cover for his bias and corruption. I accuse Sean Burke of lying and corruption.

      • jonnyb

        Yes it is a real disgrace, I think Thunder Fusion have had similar problems. I was under the impression that if could provide a working model you could use this in the Patent application, without giving all the details. Maybe Rossi and Santilli need to change tack, and try to Patent the creation of one of the by products, stopping someone else using this system. This may be easier to prove and I think others have been successful in this, a previous article mentioned it.

  • jonnyb

    Why can’t they grant the Patent, if it does not work then it will just join the very long list of useless Patents. Rossi does have some good test results, so it would have be prudent for the Patent Office to ask for more evidence as a working model would normally suffice, if they could prove beyond doubt that the excess heat could not come from a known process. In my humble opinion, Bar Humbug.

    • bachcole

      Yes, there are tons of patents for things that didn’t work. And there are tons of patents for things that worked but the market rejected. And there are tons of patents about things that we clearly and distinctly see as being ridiculous and never made any headway in the marketplace. So Sean Burke’s assertion that he can’t give a patent is a BIG, FAT LIE. What he said was a BIG, FAT cover for his bias and corruption. I accuse Sean Burke of lying and corruption.

      • jonnyb

        Yes it is a real disgrace, I think Thunder Fusion have had similar problems. I was under the impression that if could provide a working model you could use this in the Patent application, without giving all the details. Maybe Rossi and Santilli need to change tack, and try to Patent the creation of one of the by products, stopping someone else using this system. This may be easier to prove and I think others have been successful in this, a previous article mentioned it.

  • There’s always Japan.

  • Mr. Moho

    Keep in mind that:

    Since acquiring Rossi’s technology, [Industrial Heat] has engaged in a broad-based
    effort to protect it by preparing numerous patent applications related
    to the core technology as well as associated designs and uses.

    So they might have well known since long ago that Rossi’s patent as it is, is hopeless and would have never been approved.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Bayer patented Aspirin in 1899. But its mechanism of action was discovered in 1971. Was the patent law in former times totally different from what it is today?

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      If Rossi/IH can never receive a patent, they can just forget selling reactors and sell heat & power.

      • Chris I

        Patenting a secret is an oxymoron. Any IP consultant will tell you. Secret aut patent, no combinations possible.

        The examiner’s line of argument is as if the application says absolutely nothing about appropriate conditions and circumstances. It sounds as if Rossi tries to get away with saying that you just chuck the nickel powder and the hydrogen in and voilà. This is not the way to go dude. Rossi still hasn’t learnt.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        But chemists have been doing catalytic hydrogenations with nickel powders for generations and have never observed these extraordinary exotherms . So, Rossi’s invention possesses “unexpected advantageous properties”. Doesn’t this warrant a patent?

        • Kwhilborn

          Yes. I promise not to open mine up and mass produce them for a few dollars each. The ecat is basically a sealed tube with the right stuff inside as we saw early on. A dollar store flashlight is far more intricate.

          I pinky swear I won’t.

        • Chris I

          It would if he said enough about how to do it that the reader reasonably versed in the art could achieve the claimed result without having to invent the same thing all over again (i. e. discover which catalyst, or types thereof, to use).

    • bachcole

      Tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg. This is what the pharmaceutical companies are all about. And if there were bribes involved, I wouldn’t be surprised. This is the bane of the American disease-care system.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Bayer patented Aspirin in 1899. But its mechanism of action was discovered in 1971. Was the patent law in former times totally different from what it is today?

    • bachcole

      Tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg. This is what the pharmaceutical companies are all about. And if there were bribes involved, I wouldn’t be surprised. This is the bane of the American disease-care system.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    If Rossi/IH can never receive a patent, they can just forget selling reactors and sell heat & power. Didn’t Rossi offer to set up such an operation in Northern Europe and sell power/heat to the utility industry?

  • Veblin

    Sean P. Burke is just a fission and hot fusion sort of guy.
    Patents by Examiner Sean P. Burke
    http://patents.justia.com/examiner/sean-p-burke

    No cold fusion for you!

    • Sure his critic are armchair theory, thus void.
      The question is if he had some data about the real experimental results of the reactor.
      If he have no result his answer is rational, as many patenst are used to give credibility to crasy ideas. (a patent is just a lock, what it protect is not proven real).

      If he have no experimental results he base his decision on the theoretical description which is clearly wrong today, as Rossi realized few years ago.

      If he simply ignored experimental results, that is a huge problem, because whatever is the theory, the past knowledge, the only question for a patent officer looking at a working device, is if someone competent in the domain can rebuild the same machine alone.

      My vision is tha Rossi’s patent is very bad:
      – too much theory
      – not enough details on “the catalyst” and many other details.

      note that it is quite common in LENR patents today.

      • malkom700

        The first step would be the best solution to promote industrial design. But competitors are not interested in transplanting solutions but exceptionally transplanting their solutions. For this purpose, an industrial design is probably not a good way for them.

      • Curbina

        I agree that the patent is bad, as are all patents that are for poorly understood phenomena. But on the other hand, I doubt I had not wrote something as bad with all the pressures that are created when you try to protect intelectual property of this perceived impact potential. At some point, one has to realize that is like trying to patent fire.

        • Bob Greenyer

          You patent the thing that is good at making the New Fire – like Zippo and the Davey lamp in the case of Fire 1.0

          This is the approach of Celani and Mizuno. Rossi should have thought like a API developer, make the bit that is useful, patent it and licence it…

  • Veblin

    Sean P. Burke is just a fission and hot fusion sort of guy.
    Patents by Examiner Sean P. Burke
    http://patents.justia.com/examiner/sean-p-burke

    No cold fusion for you!

    • Sure his critic are armchair theory, thus void.
      The question is if he had some data about the real experimental results of the reactor.
      If he have no result his answer is rational, as many patenst are used to give credibility to crasy ideas. (a patent is just a lock, what it protect is not proven real).

      If he have no experimental results he base his decision on the theoretical description which is clearly wrong today, as Rossi realized few years ago.

      If he simply ignored experimental results, that is a huge problem, because whatever is the theory, the past knowledge, the only question for a patent officer looking at a working device, is if someone competent in the domain can rebuild the same machine alone.

      My vision is tha Rossi’s patent is very bad:
      – too much theory
      – not enough details on “the catalyst” and many other details.

      note that it is quite common in LENR patents today.

      • malkom700

        The first step would be the best solution to promote industrial design. But competitors are not interested in transplanting solutions but exceptionally transplanting their solutions. For this purpose, an industrial design is probably not a good way for them.

      • Curbina

        I agree that the patent is bad, as are all patents that are for poorly understood phenomena. But on the other hand, I doubt I had not wrote something as bad with all the pressures that are created when you try to protect intelectual property of this perceived impact potential. At some point, one has to realize that is like trying to patent fire.

        • Bob Greenyer

          You patent the thing that is good at making the New Fire – like Zippo and the Davey lamp in the case of Fire 1.0

          This is the approach of Celani and Mizuno. Rossi should have thought like a API developer, make the bit that is useful, patent it and licence it…

  • Achi

    In the long run this may be good for everyone. Blocking the patent because it is a natural process allows for the field to be expanded and allows others be competition to Industrial Heat. It will force them to invest in home power faster because others will be attempting to make their own version, including the home DIYer. What they can and should protect is any methods for reaping the energy from the e-cat, and any processes used to enhance the reaction. As Rossi said before, release it for home buyers at such a low price point that everyone can buy it and it would not be worth the investment/research dollars to get into the business of being a competitor.

  • WaltC

    Velcro is patented & is based off of nature (burrs, etc.). It’s not clear to me what that should be a barrier. The paragraph above reads along the line of:
    “It’s impossible, but if it were possible, Nature’s already doing it (even if mainstream science doesn’t know how to reproduce it).”

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    Very frustrating byzantinisms.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    Very frustrating byzantinisms.

  • gioj

    so we’ll see if Rossi&partners want to process to “Patent Trial and Appeal Board” for having a final decision or not!!

    to process to the Board or not this is the question…..:)

  • gioj

    so we’ll see if Rossi&partners want to process to “Patent Trial and Appeal Board” for having a final decision or not!!

    to process to the Board or not this is the question…..:)

  • Curbina

    I find this deeply worrying. Basically, the patent examiner is rejecting the
    patent because “what is claimed is impossible”, but also, and here’s the
    worrying part (patentability wise) the examines states that if what
    Rossi claims is real, it would occur also spontaneously in nature, thus
    being not a patentable subject matter”. So, he is basically telling that
    if LENR is true, then it’s a discovery, hence not patentable. Truly bad
    news for commercial LENR development if this criteria holds to further
    scrutiny.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Patenting natural phenomena is not possible in any country, and rightly so. Only devices can be patented, not natural phenomena that they are based on. It would be a disaster if someone could patent e.g. the whole of LENR or even one nuclear reaction.

  • Curbina

    I find this deeply worrying. Basically, the patent examiner is rejecting the
    patent because “what is claimed is impossible”, but also, and here’s the
    worrying part (patentability wise) the examines states that if what
    Rossi claims is real, it would occur also spontaneously in nature, thus
    being not a patentable subject matter”. So, he is basically telling that
    if LENR is true, then it’s a discovery, hence not patentable. Truly bad
    news for commercial LENR development if this criteria holds to further
    scrutiny.

    • bachcole

      What do you think the WAR between the pharmaceutical companies and complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) is all about. If it is not patentable, the pharmaceutical scum-bags won’t touch it. It doesn’t make enough money for them. And the FDA won’t approve it. And doctors not only won’t use it, they probably never heard of it. And everyone worships doctors, so most people never heard of it.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Patenting natural phenomena is not possible in any country, and rightly so. Only devices can be patented, not natural phenomena that they are based on. It would be a disaster if someone could patent e.g. the whole of LENR or even one nuclear reaction.

  • bachcole

    Maybe there is hope yet for Sean Burke with this application. His shame and remorse and self-hatred will be so great as to make his life a living hell if he does not approve it. But I have very little hope for Sean Burke, mainly because all these examiners see is paperwork. They never get their fingers burned. So, long after it is too late for Sean Burke and his self-esteem, Rossi/IH will be selling units and Sean Burke will be unemployed and the USPTO will have been restructured with heads rolling all over the place.

  • Curbina

    Another thing we must have in mind when talking about LENR patents is that, were Pons and Fleischmann not been discredited, most of the patent applications that would have been granted in the 4 to 5 years after their announcement, would already have expired. That puts all in perspective.

  • Curbina

    Another thing we must have in mind when talking about LENR patents is that, were Pons and Fleischmann not been discredited, most of the patent applications that would have been granted in the 4 to 5 years after their announcement, would already have expired. That puts all in perspective.

  • Curbina

    Basically, patent office reviews the patent in the context of what is currently accepted as prior art. In that context, LENR “is impossible”. Even if it’s demonstrated, as prior art says it is impossible, then it is considered a scientific discovery, and hence not patentable because it was previously unknown. It’s kind of a circular logic, and in this case, a very tragic one.

  • Tom H

    It seems long passed due getting a peer reviewed LENR study submitted to a respectable journal…does anyone know of one attempted, rejected or in review?

    • Kwhilborn

      I think Rossi started his JONP website because everything in this field is rejected by magazines like NATURE (Where we want to see LENR).

      His website is supposed to be Peer Reviewed, but we know its reputation is less than 1% the stature of Nature Magazine in this regard.

      Who owns Nature Magazine? It would be funny if Big Oil was on the list of shareholders. They could stop clean Energy Tech simply by ignoring any relevant science..

      With dozens of companies in the LENR race, plus endorsements from NASA, I am sure governments are fully aware of LENR. It is a disruptive technology for a reason though and I think markets need to prepare for it. I dislike the delays also, but I feel public knowledge will come within 5 years.

      • I have report that a small network of influential but shy decision makers (like big CTO) are aware and quietly trying to prepare the landing.

        It is hard for naive people like us to imagine the violence that Physicist can show against even big corps CTO and governmental experts if they were caught having some “relationship” with LENR.

        as shown in the titanic article of jed rothwell, and on latest talk of Nathan lewis supporting is proven lies, there is no limit to the physicist capacity to lie and do evil against dissenters. I only know one other scientific domain with such a human ego and toxicity.

        both are sure science is settled. that is the only problem. i don’t even think hot fusion and the billions are important. Physics is a religion, not a science.
        The other scientific domain which show similar violence against dissenters is also a religion.

        Find the religion, and you will find the spanish inquisition.

        • bachcole

          So, AlainCo, don’t keep us in suspense, what is that other domain? I am hoping that you mean health science because I found that very vicious. If there is something worse than health science I want to be as far away from it as possible.

          • not about health.
            health debate for better and worse is quite balanced with many outspoken dissenters.

            find where dissenters are evil. evil is sign of religion.

          • bachcole

            In the case of health, the mainstream are really dissenting against the CAMs (complementary and alternative medicine). We CAMs have very little against mainstream medicine except that it’s paradigm of health dominates. It is they who campaign against us. So, but your definition, they are evil and a religion.

            So what are you talking about, or is this a problem with your English.

            [But generally speaking, I like religions that are focused on the invisible and formless Infinite. I don’t like religions that are focused on the physical world.]

          • Omega Z

            I believe the Science AlainCo refers to is Heating Up…

        • Kwhilborn

          Yes. I find it hard to believe NASA Chief of Research at Langley Dennis Bushnell could be heralding LENR and obviously getting NASA Support/Funding/boeing project without Obama and white house staff in the know.

          I agree some attempts to ignore LENR are to help ease it in.

          • of course the politicians are not aware, and the administration hid it to the dumb decisions makers.
            moreover the decision makers with time took the good decision to lest some agency free about some budget because they know tat good things happen from the unexpected.
            this is why in academies there are tenure, in corps there are senior fellow.

            those guys are free to do what they decide, provided they stay in the budget.
            This is also way today most dissenters are protected that way, and not slaves of publication count or funding commission.
            The sad point is that there is less and less new tenure/senior fellow, so that those free mind are old minds, and more and more they are selected because they are not dissenters. They are even sometime selected to protect the consensus from a herd of dissenters.

            a counterexample is the skunkwork team of Lockheed Martin.

      • bachcole

        “I am sure governments are fully aware of LENR.” I talked to one of Congressman Doug Lamborn’s assistant about cold fusion, and he said that he had talked to cold fusion scientists but had never heard of Andrea Rossi. So, other than speculation and deductive reasoning and perhaps paranoia, why do you think that government is fully aware of LENR. For me to be wrong, Mr. James Thomas would have to be a liar. Do you have any evidence that government is fully aware of LENR? Do you have any evidence that Mr. James Thomas is a liar, other than speculation or a feeling.

  • Bob Greenyer

    My brother failed to get his first patent application because they are very hard to write and very expensive to secure, now the technology is copied in 100s of products sold the world over.

    His second patent (UK and World) was secured by $100,000s of 3rd party investment and correctly written by top lawyers, plus he shows all that is needed for someone to test it. Even if Rossi had detailed exactly how to do it and showed demonstration devices (as my brother did) if the patent is not written in the right way, which costs money, it might still fail. Here is the UK version of my brothers patent (it enables VERY small air vehicles think 10-20g and has already been cited in one Boeing patent application). My brother wants to build plant pollinators and personal flying social experience recorders, disaster assessment smart swarms etc.

    bit.ly/1i1zQ7a

    As for the argument of LENR being a natural phenomenon, he is right, however, patentability could be wording, microwaves exist in nature but we are not all communicating with them or being cooked by those in the environment. It comes down to taking a natural phenomenon and finding a way to enhance its creation (the magnetron or tx/rx in case of microwaves) or show a novel way to get utility from it.

    Celani can patent his wire process as can Mizuno his preparation process – quite separately from LENR, and this is what Rossi should have done, maybe IH are doing this.

  • Bob Greenyer

    My brother failed to get his first patent application because they are very hard to write and very expensive to secure, now the technology is copied in 100s of products sold the world over.

    His second patent (UK and World) was secured by $100,000s of 3rd party investment and correctly written by top lawyers, plus he shows all that is needed for someone to test it. Even if Rossi had detailed exactly how to do it and showed demonstration devices (as my brother did) if the patent is not written in the right way, which costs money, it might still fail. Here is the UK version of my brothers patent (it enables VERY small air vehicles think 10-20g and has already been cited in one Boeing patent application). My brother wants to build plant pollinators and personal flying social experience recorders, disaster assessment smart swarms etc.

    bit.ly/1i1zQ7a

    As for the argument of LENR being a natural phenomenon, he is right, however, patentability could be wording, microwaves exist in nature but we are not all communicating with them or being cooked by those in the environment. It comes down to taking a natural phenomenon and finding a way to enhance its creation (the magnetron or tx/rx in case of microwaves) or show a novel way to get utility from it.

    Celani can patent his wire process as can Mizuno his preparation process – quite separately from LENR, and this is what Rossi should have done, maybe IH are doing this.

    • Heath

      I agree. This is about how it is explained in the application. Others have gotten LENR patents approved including the US Navy. This seems Rossi-specific and it sounds like IH understands this and will drive these patents through.

      • Kwhilborn

        Andrea Rossi has many unrelated successful patents as he was CEO/owner of a $30 Million (USD) research company. I think he believes his public demonstrations and descriptions in patent are enough to award him a victory should this go to court. Why should he revamp or push the issue when the denial quite clearly errs in science.

        I think it is for this reason he should release his catalyst in a similar format. He will always have records of patent attempts, but I could patent the catalyst myself (if I knew it) and beat Rossi to the punch. It seems very risky to keep the catalyst a secret when there are dozens of currently known LENR manufacturers actively looking for it.

  • Charles

    Guess how BIG OIL, COAL, FISSION will stop or severely delay cold fusion. Can you spell U-S-P-O and political B-R-I-B-E-R-Y.

    • mcloki

      If LENR works as promised the tactical advantages to the military makes the country that gets it working first a superpower. Long term loiter alone gives them air supremacy with relative low cost and expendability. No the fight will be to who can create the greatest amount of power from their LENR powerplants. Not hiding it.

  • Charles

    Guess how BIG OIL, COAL, FISSION will stop or severely delay cold fusion. Can you spell U-S-P-O and political B-R-I-B-E-R-Y.

    • mcloki

      If LENR works as promised the tactical advantages to the military makes the country that gets it working first a superpower. Long term loiter alone gives them air supremacy with relative low cost and expendability. No the fight will be to who can create the greatest amount of power from their LENR powerplants. Not hiding it.

  • bachcole

    Rather than bitch and complain, which we all seem expert at, I sent the following email to Mr. James Thomas, who works for Congressman Doug Lamborn. Feel completely free to cut and paste anything that you want. Except my name, of course. You have to use your own name. (:->)

    I talked to Mr. James Thomas for quite some time, and he had never heard of Andrea Rossi and said that his contacts in cold fusion never mentioned Andrea Rossi. So I figured that Mr. Thomas was fixated on academia.

    Dear Mr. Thomas,

    Below are the links that I promised you that will inform you of some of the progress of some of the work regarding cold fusion that appears to be outside of the box.

    This
    set of videos with Mike McKubre is my favorite introduction and what
    made me a believer in over-unity cold fusion. It is NOT the only piece
    of evidence, just the best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc&list=PLFBAB0BB637C4A59E

    This
    paper is what broke the back of my disbelief with regard to massive
    heat resulting from cold fusion (LENR+). It is NOT the only evidence,
    merely what changed my mind and an astonishing bit of work:

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.3913.pdf

    As
    for my assertion that cold fusion is spreading to Sweden, here is a
    link that may require you using a translator. Look at the lower left
    corner and see the name “Andrea Rossi” and the word “Ecat”. And then
    move to page 4. Notice that this Swedish journal is almost 1 year old,
    and I can tell you that Elforsk is still supporting Rossi and his E-Cat
    development.

    http://www.elforsk.se/Global/Trycksaker%20och%20broschyrer/elforsk_perspektiv_nr2_2013.pdf

    These are all just a few datapoints that demonstrate the reality that cold fusion and Rossi’s E-Cat are on the move.

    Cherokee
    Partners incorporated a subsidiary called Industrial Heat, and the next
    day IH bought the rights to Rossi’s invention and made Rossi the Chief
    Scientist:

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-has-acquired-andrea-rossis-e-cat-technology-241853361.html

    Tom
    Darden, the CEO of Cherokee Partners visits China and they talk about
    “nickel energy” and “nickel reaction” and “clean nickel reaction”.
    This one will definitely require a translator, but I have a friend in
    China who confirmed the Google Translator that we all usually use. That
    IS Tom Darden of Cherokee Partners and they were talking about cold
    fusion, only they called it something like clean nickel reaction:

    http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=113

    That’s Tom Darden on the left. Leave it to the Chinese to use some kind of diplomatic euphemism.

    This site shows the work of Tadahiko
    Mizuno in Japan.
    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/YoshinoHreplicable.pdf Watch the video on
    page 21 (on my viewer) and SEE cold fusion. [You have to be patient
    and it is not all that exciting, except that it is real.]

    Then
    there is Brillouin in Berkeley, California and Defkalion in Vancouver,
    BC. There is a patent in Finland. There are many other developments
    and evidences that cold fusion is not decades away. It is about to
    break out and change the world. It is not waiting for academic
    approval. And the US patent office is not helping any at all. That
    would be our, yours and my, patent office.

    If you need more information or wish to discuss this matter, I would be delighted to chat with you about it.

    Sincerely,

    Roger Bird
    Colorado Springs

    • Owen Geiger

      Excellent summary, Roger. One of your finer posts.

  • bachcole

    Rather than bitch and complain, which we all seem expert at, I sent the following email to Mr. James Thomas, who works for Congressman Doug Lamborn. Feel completely free to cut and paste anything that you want. Except my name, of course. You have to use your own name. (:->)

    I talked to Mr. James Thomas for quite some time, and he had never heard of Andrea Rossi and said that his contacts in cold fusion never mentioned Andrea Rossi. So I figured that Mr. Thomas was fixated on academia.

    Dear Mr. Thomas,

    Below are the links that I promised you that will inform you of some of the progress of some of the work regarding cold fusion that appears to be outside of the box.

    This
    set of videos with Mike McKubre is my favorite introduction and what
    made me a believer in over-unity cold fusion. It is NOT the only piece
    of evidence, just the best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc&list=PLFBAB0BB637C4A59E

    This
    paper is what broke the back of my disbelief with regard to massive
    heat resulting from cold fusion (LENR+). It is NOT the only evidence,
    merely what changed my mind and an astonishing bit of work:

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.3913.pdf

    As
    for my assertion that cold fusion is spreading to Sweden, here is a
    link that may require you using a translator. Look at the lower left
    corner and see the name “Andrea Rossi” and the word “Ecat”. And then
    move to page 4. Notice that this Swedish journal is almost 1 year old,
    and I can tell you that Elforsk is still supporting Rossi and his E-Cat
    development.

    http://www.elforsk.se/Global/Trycksaker%20och%20broschyrer/elforsk_perspektiv_nr2_2013.pdf

    These are all just a few datapoints that demonstrate the reality that cold fusion and Rossi’s E-Cat are on the move.

    Cherokee
    Partners incorporated a subsidiary called Industrial Heat, and the next
    day IH bought the rights to Rossi’s invention and made Rossi the Chief
    Scientist:

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-has-acquired-andrea-rossis-e-cat-technology-241853361.html

    Tom
    Darden, the CEO of Cherokee Partners visits China and they talk about
    “nickel energy” and “nickel reaction” and “clean nickel reaction”.
    This one will definitely require a translator, but I have a friend in
    China who confirmed the Google Translator that we all usually use. That
    IS Tom Darden of Cherokee Partners and they were talking about cold
    fusion, only they called it something like clean nickel reaction:

    http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=113

    That’s Tom Darden on the left. Leave it to the Chinese to use some kind of diplomatic euphemism.

    This site shows the work of Tadahiko
    Mizuno in Japan.
    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/YoshinoHreplicable.pdf Watch the video on
    page 21 (on my viewer) and SEE cold fusion. [You have to be patient
    and it is not all that exciting, except that it is real.]

    Then
    there is Brillouin in Berkeley, California and Defkalion in Vancouver,
    BC. There is a patent in Finland. There are many other developments
    and evidences that cold fusion is not decades away. It is about to
    break out and change the world. It is not waiting for academic
    approval. And the US patent office is not helping any at all. That
    would be our, yours and my, patent office.

    If you need more information or wish to discuss this matter, I would be delighted to chat with you about it.

    Sincerely,

    Roger Bird
    Colorado Springs

    • Owen Geiger

      Excellent summary, Roger. One of your finer posts.

  • Lu

    The patent rejection talks about a spontaneous reaction. It is my understanding that the E-Cat requires a catalyst, the details of which Rossi has never disclosed publicly including this patent application. So it should be rejected as specified since without the catalyst there is no reaction. I’m also sure Rossi is aware of this as well when he filed the patent. It’s no small wonder why people do not trust what Rossi says and does.

  • Lu

    The patent rejection talks about a spontaneous reaction. It is my understanding that the E-Cat requires a catalyst, the details of which Rossi has never disclosed publicly including this patent application. So it should be rejected as specified since without the catalyst there is no reaction. I’m also sure Rossi is aware of this as well when he filed the patent. It’s no small wonder why people do not trust what Rossi says and does.

  • Stranno

    This is exactly what Joe Shea claimed in his article “Who Will Tell the Great Secret”
    Regards, Stranno

  • Stranno

    This is exactly what Joe Shea claimed in his article “Who Will Tell the Great Secret”
    Regards, Stranno

  • Obvious

    [0060] A practical embodiment of the inventive apparatus, installed on Oct. 16, 2007, is at present perfectly operating 24 hours per day, and provides an amount of heat sufficient to heat the factory of the Company EON of via Carlo Ragazzi 18, at Bondeno (Province of Ferrara).

    • Obvious

      Accidentally voted myself… Silly touchscreen.

      • greggoble

        That’s OK… I often vote for myself. So does Rossi.

      • Obvious

        Interesting is the boron shielding. This implies it is used for thermal neutron capture.

        • Sanjeev

          Rossi wants to keep the formula secret and also wants to patent his device (which means revealing it to all). How is that possible ?
          People invoke conspiracy to explain the rejection, but if you see impartially, the patent office is simply following a flow-chart to accept or reject something. Its a brainless process, just like most of the processes in a democratic and bureaucratic setup. These people are not known for wisdom or vision. They have actually granted some cold fusion patents, as we all know.

          So Rossi and co. must hire a good lawyer to circumvent the flowchart and secure at least some of the IP. Or they can go ahead like Mr Musk, without a patent of any sort. Patent or no patent, the Ecat will be ripped, copied and improvised, I can guarantee that. So all this legal stuff is only delaying Ecat’s entry into the market, making it easy for his competitors to take lead.

        • Fortyniner

          Posibly just shielding against ‘runaway’ events that apparently create a burst of neutrons as the reactor melts.

  • Obvious

    [0060] A practical embodiment of the inventive apparatus, installed on Oct. 16, 2007, is at present perfectly operating 24 hours per day, and provides an amount of heat sufficient to heat the factory of the Company EON of via Carlo Ragazzi 18, at Bondeno (Province of Ferrara).

    • Obvious

      Accidentally voted myself… Silly touchscreen.

      • greggoble

        That’s OK… I often vote for myself. So does Rossi.

  • Kwhilborn

    I would normally state that he could win a lawsuit and have this patent recognized in the future as being the first, but Rossi has painted himself into a corner over this.

    If Rossi disclosed the entire process he is doing now then he can prove he was first to obtain a steady reaction, but he insists on hiding his catalyst so whomever files a patent with a clear catalyst will steal all rights to the Rossi device.

    Who invented Radio? Tesla or Marconi..
    Who invented the Telephone? Bell or Gray?

    I think Legally they will only have us renegade bloggers and LENR followers to say we “think” he was there first, but courts will have to rule on evidence.

    I have held this position for a long time. I know the patent failed, but it also does not speak of the catalyst (as I recall).

    Hopefully they will still name a school after him… 🙁

    • Steve Peterson

      Bell or Gray? Neither. In 2002 – US Congress named Antonio Meucci the true inventor of the telephone.

      • Kwhilborn

        Dang! I did not know that. The poor bloke could not afford the $10 Patent Caveat and lost rights to his invention. From what I just read he has been recognized for his work, but Bell still retains title as inventor (Sounds dumb to me). It had to do with clarity of the Meucci Patent application and lack of Prototypes.

        Thanks for this information. I like articles like that.

        This is a similar fate I see for Rossi.

      • Alan DeAngelis
  • Kwhilborn

    I would normally state that he could win a lawsuit and have this patent recognized in the future as being the first, but Rossi has painted himself into a corner over this.

    If Rossi disclosed the entire process he is doing now then he can prove he was first to obtain a steady reaction, but he insists on hiding his catalyst so whomever files a patent with a clear catalyst will steal all rights to the Rossi device.

    Who invented Radio? Tesla or Marconi..
    Who invented the Telephone? Bell or Gray?

    I think Legally they will only have us renegade bloggers and LENR followers to say we “think” he was there first, but courts will have to rule on evidence.

    I have held this position for a long time. I know the patent failed, but it also does not speak of the catalyst (as I recall).

    Hopefully they will still name a school after him… 🙁

    • Steve Peterson

      Bell or Gray? Neither. In 2002 – US Congress named Antonio Meucci the true inventor of the telephone.

      • Kwhilborn

        Dang! I did not know that. The poor bloke could not afford the $10 Patent Caveat and lost rights to his invention. From what I just read he has been recognized for his work, but Bell still retains title as inventor (Sounds dumb to me). It had to do with clarity of the Meucci Patent application and lack of Prototypes.

        Thanks for this information. I like articles like that.

        This is a similar fate I see for Rossi.

      • Alan DeAngelis
      • bachcole

        The US government confuses itself with God frequently. Like the think that it is 9:00 A.M. in June when it is actually 8:00 A.M., or did I get that backwards. Now I’m confused. And they say that paying farmers to NOT grow food is a wise idea, and things like that.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Since the patent doesn’t reveal much, it wouldn’t be of much value to IH even if it would be approved. It might be of some value, which is probably why they filed it.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Since the patent doesn’t reveal much, it wouldn’t be of much value to IH even if it would be approved. It might be of some value, which is probably why they filed it.

  • jonnyb

    Earth’s core may well have natural LENR occuring. Maybe they can’t prove it yet, but they can’t disprove it. Many articles already on this.

  • jonnyb

    Earth’s core may well have natural LENR occuring. Maybe they can’t prove it yet, but they can’t disprove it. Many articles already on this.

  • Christopher Calder

    If the long term Hot-Cat test is positive, that might be introduced as evidence that it does indeed work. Rossi needs to patent the mechanism of the Hot-Cat. The theory Rossi has of how the Hot-Cat works on the atomic level may be wrong, and will probably be debated and argued about for decades to come. The test will only show that the mechanism itself works, not that the nuclear theory is correct. Many companies now have LENR products that clearly do work, but they all have different theories about how LENR works. Which one is correct?

    • greggoble

      NASA – Bushnell states that LENR is not a narrow band set of physical phenoma…

      Many patentable devices will appear that are not found in nature.

      Seldon Technologies discloses their method fairly clearly.

      A catalyst seems unnessesary for the process. Importantly the proper molecular architecture and excitation is essential. If a ‘catalyst’ provides the architecture which focuses the excitation… fine. If so, then to call it a catalyst may be misleading or incorrect.

      • Kwhilborn

        I think the pressurization is the only reason we do not see it in nature. The Hydrogen is pressured and contained enough to let it seep into metal.

        • Mr. Moho

          The Mizuno-Yoshino Ni-D reactor from the other blog post operates at a low vacuum, yet it works.

  • If the long term Hot-Cat test is positive, that might be introduced as evidence that it does indeed work. Rossi needs to patent the mechanism of the Hot-Cat. The theory Rossi has of how the Hot-Cat works on the atomic level may be wrong, and will probably be debated and argued about for decades to come. The test will only show that the mechanism itself works, not that the nuclear theory is correct. Many companies now have LENR products that clearly do work, but they all have different theories about how LENR works. Which one is correct?

    • greggoble

      NASA – Bushnell states that LENR is not a narrow band set of physical phenomena…

      Many patentable devices will appear that are not found in nature.

      Seldon Technologies discloses their method fairly clearly.

      A catalyst seems unnecessary for the process. Importantly the proper molecular architecture and excitation is essential. If a ‘catalyst’ provides the architecture which focuses the excitation… fine. If so, then to call it a catalyst may be misleading or incorrect.

      http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/02/carbon-nanotube-energy-new-patent-filed-by-seldon-technologies/

      http://coldfusionnow.org/seldon-technologies-nasa-and-lenr/

      • Kwhilborn

        I think the pressurization is the only reason we do not see it in nature. The Hydrogen is pressured and contained enough to let it seep into metal.

  • Gerard McEk

    I wouldn’t be too worried the patent will not be approved. If Rossi had enlightened all the details (which he should have done to make it patentable), it would have been replicated everywhere by everyone, because the invention is so simple, every handy guy can do it at home. I am sure you remember his first E-cats in 2011.

    Rossi didn’t put all the details in the patent and his secret still holds. This give him advantage in time and that is what he should employ. Knowing about his competitors, LENR can also work without a catalyzer, so I doubt a patent can be written which would cover every different LENR device. Therefore you need also to know how it exactly works and that is still unclear.

    • MasterBlaster7

      successful commercial product…then the news will break in major media…then big science will be forced to take notice and dedicate money and brain power…then we will figure out how LENR really works…….in that order.

      • Sanjeev

        Exactly, I agree.
        Let it operate in the wild in the campuses of well known corps, like Google or Siemens or Boeing etc, of course under a sack full of NDAs to keep the secret from leaking. This will kick start the socio-scientific machinery and wake up the gov and theoreticians. Everything else can happen on its own. The patent applications will protect IH for many years (assuming first to apply rule).
        But what about us, the common man ? Well, I don’t think we are the first priority for IH. I’m mostly very optimistic, but with this business model, I guess we are not even in their priority list. If all goes well, you will be able to order some kind of cold fusion heater from China, Japan or S.Korea, but not the Home-cat.
        Anyhow lets hope for a miracle.

        • jousterusa

          Rossi didn’t disclose the secret ingredient that makes nickel fuse with hydrogen, so they didn’t grant him a patent. He apparently didn’t even disclose that there is a secret ingredient, as the examiner made no mention of any such thing. Other LENR success stories, such as at MIT and in George Miley’s labs, also make no mention of a secret ingredient, a catalyst that makes it all happen. Is it possible this idea of a secret catalyst was in fact an invention Rossi used to misdirect those trying to do the same thing?

          • GreenWin

            The Patterson Power Cell is a granted USPTO patent that utilitzes some form of cold fusion. We also have the recent Navy/JWK patent and Blacklight/Mills patent for anomalous heat production (don’t recall the title.)

        • US_Citizen71

          If it is not a physical substance, I believe you are correct in your speculation.

          • Omega Z

            Magnetic field, waves or whatever are important, But
            The secret Catalyst is a physical substance…

            Rossi once stated that they do not recharge the E-cat every 6 months do to exhausting the nickle or hydrogen, But because the Catalyst is exhausted at that time.

  • Gerard McEk

    I wouldn’t be too worried the patent will not be approved. If Rossi had enlightened all the details (which he should have done to make it patentable), it would have been replicated everywhere by everyone, because the invention is so simple, every handy guy can do it at home. I am sure you remember his first E-cats in 2011.

    Rossi didn’t put all the details in the patent and his secret still holds. This give him advantage in time and that is what he should employ. Knowing about his competitors, LENR can also work without a catalyzer, so I doubt a patent can be written which would cover every different LENR device. Therefore you need also to know how it exactly works and that is still unclear.

    • MasterBlaster7

      successful commercial product…then the news will break in major media…then big science will be forced to take notice and dedicate money and brain power…then we will figure out how LENR really works…….in that order……oh….and the USPTO will cave somewhere in the middle there.

      • Sanjeev

        Exactly, I agree.
        Let it operate in the wild in the campuses of well known corps, like Google or Siemens or Boeing etc, of course under a sack full of NDAs to keep the secret from leaking. This will kick start the socio-scientific machinery and wake up the gov and theoreticians. Everything else can happen on its own. The patent applications will protect IH for many years (assuming first to apply rule).
        But what about us, the common man ? Well, I don’t think we are the first priority for IH. I’m mostly very optimistic, but with this business model, I guess we are not even in their priority list. If all goes well, you will be able to order some kind of cold fusion heater from China, Japan or S.Korea, but not the Home-cat.
        Anyhow lets hope for a miracle.

        • bachcole

          Perhaps we can all ask Rossi / IH if we can all be beta testers for home units. This might appeal to their hearts plus give them home testing by people who would (probably, hopefully) protect their IP. Of course, those who gripe about the greater good and the evils of capitalism would have to be excluded from the testing group. (:->)

          • Kwhilborn

            Yes. I promise not to open mine up and mass produce them for a few dollars each. The ecat is basically a sealed tube with the right stuff inside as we saw early on. A dollar store flashlight is far more intricate.

            I pinky swear I won’t.

  • greggoble

    Ludicrous…

    Birds and bees fly quite nicely… yet heavier than air flight was deemed to be impossible.
    From what’s said the patent office… would therefore deny all aerospace vehicle patents because flight happens naturally?

    Absolutely ludicrous!

    Best to file your LENR patent in China or in Korea ’cause the U.S. patent office is for the ‘birds’.

    Not even that… it’s crazy as a Loon!

    Are you serious in what you say? Indeed!!!

    That’s ludicrous…

    • MasterBlaster7

      The “spontaneous in nature” is a bit of a stretch. If a commercial prototype is successful and the patent is STILL rejected on “spontaneous in nature” objections….that will be “clear and present” evidence of a TRUE conspiracy. Lets wait till the commercially successful prototype though…I think the USPTO will cave in that instance.

      • the “spontaneous in nature” is absolutely unprofessional here, and looks like the unethical pavlovian reaction of nuclear physicists.

        There is very good arguments to reject Rossi’s patent, but given that he talk of micro powder, heat, hydrogen, saying it can be spontaneous, is like saying that H Bomb can be spontaneous in nature…

        in fact fission have happened in nature (in africa, in uranium mines, observed by Areva), but the is no doubt that the Fermi fission reactor, graphite/water reactor can be patented, if new and detailed enough.

        If thing were honest on earth that expert should be sued condemned, fined and fired, like Huizenga, Lewis, Hansen,Morrison, Taubes, and the Nobel who supported those clowns .

        I is not hate it is just pulling consequence of observed facts.
        Unethical misconduct have to be punished.

        Ready for a defamation case I’m sure to win.

      • Daniel Maris

        Presumably if we wound back to the first steam engine design, a patent for that would be rejected on the grounds that the phenomenon of steam power occurs spontaneously in nature (the hot geysers dotted all around the world which powerfully eject into the air lumps of mud and rock).

  • greggoble

    Ludicrous…

    Birds and bees fly quite nicely… yet heavier than air flight was deemed to be impossible.
    From what’s said the patent office… would therefore deny all aerospace vehicle patents because flight happens naturally?

    Absolutely ludicrous!

    Best to file your LENR patent in China or in Korea ’cause the U.S. patent office is for the ‘birds’.

    Not even that… it’s crazy as a Loon!

    Are you serious in what you say? Indeed!!!

    That’s ludicrous…

    • MasterBlaster7

      The “spontaneous in nature” is a bit of a stretch. If a commercial prototype is successful and the patent is STILL rejected on “spontaneous in nature” objections….that will be “clear and present” evidence of a TRUE conspiracy. Lets wait till the commercially successful prototype though…I think the USPTO will cave in that instance.

      • the “spontaneous in nature” is absolutely unprofessional here, and looks like the unethical pavlovian reaction of nuclear physicists.

        There is very good arguments to reject Rossi’s patent, but given that he talk of micro powder, heat, hydrogen, saying it can be spontaneous, is like saying that H Bomb can be spontaneous in nature…

        in fact fission have happened in nature (in africa, in uranium mines, observed by Areva), but the is no doubt that the Fermi fission reactor, graphite/water reactor can be patented, if new and detailed enough.

        If thing were honest on earth that expert should be sued condemned, fined and fired, like Huizenga, Lewis, Hansen,Morrison, Taubes, and the Nobel who supported those clowns .

        I is not hate it is just pulling consequence of observed facts.
        Unethical misconduct have to be punished.

        Ready for a defamation case I’m sure to win.

        • bachcole

          Are the hot-fusionists getting patents, because I am pretty sure that hot-fusion is “spontaneous in nature”.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Apparently not being able to do what nature can do makes it novel and patentable.

    • JCK

      I hope the Chinese, Japanese and Korean will grant him his patent.

      • Kwhilborn

        He did get Italian Patent only I believe.

    • bachcole

      I resemble that remark.

      signed: Roger Bird, who likes local honey, does not have bats in his belfry, and is Obviously a very good guy. (:->)

      • Brokeeper

        It’s as mysterious as a fat goose flying.

  • Ophelia Rump

    This is marvelous news. No one can steal the patent out from under Rossi.
    There can be no patent on the underlying principle.

    One question, are there no patents for catalysts?

    The problem with applying for a patent on something secret is that you need to reveal the secret before they, maybe give you a patent.

    Problem solved, no revelation, no being cheated out of ownership. Now Rossi has established prior claim, no one can re-interpret the rules without awarding Rossi.

    • Donk970

      The US Patent office will award the patent to the first big corporation to come along with the right kind of pull.

    • Chris I

      Nope, this doesn’t work.

    • Kwhilborn

      Sadly Rossi has not really proved he even has a device with enough clarity to skeptics, and his patent application does not discuss a catalyst. I think he will be be beaten in the courts and lose all rights to his device because he is choosing to sell first and patent later.

  • Ophelia Rump

    This is marvelous news. No one can steal the patent out from under Rossi.
    There can be no patent on the underlying principle.

    One question, are there no patents for catalysts?

    The problem with applying for a patent on something secret is that you need to reveal the secret before they, maybe give you a patent.

    Problem solved, no revelation, no being cheated out of ownership. Now Rossi has established prior claim, no one can re-interpret the rules without awarding Rossi.

    • Donk970

      The US Patent office will award the patent to the first big corporation to come along with the right kind of pull.

    • Chris, Italy

      Nope, this doesn’t work.

    • Kwhilborn

      Sadly Rossi has not really proved he even has a device with enough clarity to skeptics, and his patent application does not discuss a catalyst. I think he will be be beaten in the courts and lose all rights to his device because he is choosing to sell first and patent later.

  • Obvious

    Interesting is the boron shielding. This implies it is used for thermal neutron capture.

    • Posibly just shielding against ‘runaway’ events that apparently create a burst of neutrons as the reactor melts.

  • Chris, Italy

    Patenting a secret is an oxymoron. Any IP consultant will tell you. Secret aut patent, no combinations possible.

    The examiner’s line of argument is as if the application says absolutely nothing about appropriate conditions and circumstances. It sounds as if Rossi tries to get away with saying that you just chuck the nickel powder and the hydrogen in and voilà. This is not the way to go dude. Rossi still hasn’t learnt.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    But chemists have been doing catalytic hydrogenations with nickel powders for generations and have never observed these extraordinary exotherms . So, Rossi’s invention possesses “unexpected advantageous properties”. Doesn’t this warrant a patent?

    • Chris, Italy

      It would if he said enough about how to do it that the reader reasonably versed in the art could achieve the claimed result without having to invent the same thing all over again (i. e. discover which catalyst, or types thereof, to use).

  • Sanjeev

    Rossi wants to keep the formula secret and also wants to patent his device (which means revealing it to all). How is that possible ?
    People invoke conspiracy to explain the rejection, but if you see impartially, the patent office is simply following a flow-chart to accept or reject something. Its a brainless process, just like most of the processes in a democratic and bureaucratic setup. These people are not known for wisdom or vision. They have actually granted some cold fusion patents, as we all know.

    So Rossi and co. must hire a good lawyer to circumvent the flowchart and secure at least some of the IP. Or they can go ahead like Mr Musk, without a patent of any sort. Patent or no patent, the Ecat will be ripped, copied and improvised, I can guarantee that. So all this legal stuff is only delaying Ecat’s entry into the market, making it easy for his competitors to take lead.

  • observer

    Lasing is a natural phenomenon which does not spontaneously occur in nature. Lining up the exact parameters that allow a highly improbable event to occur is a method and thus patentable.

    • Each of Burke’s ‘reasons’ for rejection is very weak on its own, so he feels compelled to supply three of them in order to justify his decision. ‘Overkill’ is very often an attempt to disguise an agenda as due process.

      Unfortunately though, I would have to agree that the application as it stands probably doesn’t merit granting, simply because insufficient information is provided to allow replication. Rossi/IH should just abandon this attempt to get patent protection, for all the reasons previously discussed on this forum – at least until such time that an openly working reactor can be demonstrated.

  • Miles

    There is always some Departmental mental defective preventing progress. I’m getting solar panels next year, not waiting around for eCat. Rossi should get a patent outside the USA. MIT can demonstrate this phenomena yet you can get a patent on it???

    Looks like Big Oil is preventing this again !!!

    • Daniel Maris

      Rossi’s got an Italian patent, hasn’t he?

  • Miles

    There is always some Departmental mental defective preventing progress. I’m getting solar panels next year, not waiting around for eCat. Rossi should get a patent outside the USA. MIT can demonstrate this phenomena yet you can get a patent on it???

    Looks like Big Oil is preventing this again !!!

    • Warthog

      Tain’t “big oil”. It is “big physics”, with the hot fusion boys protecting their multi-billion dollar (one estimate puts it at $150B) latch on the government teat. And Rossi “has” gotten patents outside the USA.

  • Barry8

    George Miley got a patent with a “LENR related” device. http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/09/13/miley-patent/

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Yes, this broke the ice. Perhaps this helped Mitsubishi get their transmutation patent. http://coldfusionnow.org/mitsubishi-cold-fusion-lenr-patent-granted-transmutes-nuclear-waste/

      • Kwhilborn

        Andrea Rossi has many unrelated successful patents as he was CEO/owner of a $30 Million (USD) research company. I think he believes his public demonstrations and descriptions in patent are enough to award him a victory should this go to court. Why should he revamp or push the issue when the denial quite clearly errs in science.

        I think it is for this reason he should release his catalyst in a similar format. He will always have records of patent attempts, but I could patent the catalyst myself (if I knew it) and beat Rossi to the punch. It seems very risky to keep the catalyst a secret when there are dozens of currently known LENR manufacturers actively looking for it.

    • not about health.
      health debate for better and worse is quite balanced with many outspoken dissenters.

      find where dissenters are evil. evil is sign of religion.

  • George Miley got a patent with a “LENR related” device. http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/09/13/miley-patent/

  • Zephir

    Is it so difficult to understand? USA don’t want to pay A. Rossi for patents in future. They want to keep all LENR patents in the USA.

  • Asterix

    Wouldn’t the easiest thing be to simply send one of the thousands of e-cats Mr. Rossi has constructed for examination by NIST? Since an integral part of a patent is disclosure, he need not fear someone trampling his IP.

    NIST/NBS inspected Joe Newman’s device in the 70s for the USPTO under a judicial order (documents are online for all to read). That Mr. Newman’s device isn’t powering my corn popper does say something about Mr. Newman’s claims.

    The USPTO would undoubtedly abide by NIST’s findings.

  • bachcole

    I posted at the Imperial Valley (California) Press. I invite anyone who feels like it to do so likewise and give me and LENR a little support: http://www.ivpressonline.com/news/local/county/public-invited-to-give-input-on-geothermal-alternative-energy-and/article_1db5f6b9-fa33-5aa1-ac26-af003c991e6e.html#user-comment-area

    I am quite proud of a new motto that I invented that is in my post: “Lead, follow, or eat crow.”

  • jousterusa

    Rossi didn’t disclose the secret ingredient that makes nickel fuse with hydrogen, so they didn’t grant him a patent. He apparently didn’t even disclose that there is a secret ingredient, as the examiner made no mention of any such thing. Other LENR success stories, such as at MIT and in George Miley’s labs, also make no mention of a secret ingredient, a catalyst that makes it all happen. Is it possible this idea of a secret catalyst was in fact an invention Rossi used to misdirect those trying to do the same thing?

    • bachcole

      Yes. I personally think that the “catalyst” is an electromagnetic wave of a secret amplitude and frequency. But that is just my speculation.

      • US_Citizen71

        If it is not a physical substance, I believe you are correct in your speculation.

        • bachcole

          [And for Obvious’ edification, I don’t think that it is a homeopathic vibe, you goof!]

          It is probably an electromagnetic wave of some waveform and/or frequency and power. But just think of the possibilities. And if it is a varying frequency, waveform, and frequency, then we are sunk. We would never stumble on to it.

          Perhaps Rossi discovered it using some simple and obvious method, too obvious for the rest of us to see. Perhaps he had some simple observation with which he could get immediate feedback while he tweaked the frequency. Perhaps it might be some conductive property of hydrogen loaded nickel. Perhaps there is a dip or rise in the conductance of hydrogen loaded nickel that he could play with that told him, hey, this is the frequency or this is the waveform!

          Or, perhaps he took the average distance between atoms in a nickel matrix and he hits the hydrogen loaded nickel with a wave length that matches that distance and the second harmonic and the third harmonic etc. that matches that distance. It seems unlikely that he just stumbled upon the exactly waveform and amplitude.

          It seems unlikely that he just stumbled on an catalyst, what ever it is. There has to be some brilliant and simply way that he figured out what the catalyst is.

          • psi2u2

            Very interesting post, Bachcole.

          • Obvious

            Don’t start me on homeopathic talk. I might remember that water has been a lot of places that you might not want it to remember it being at…

            Good thought above though. Since Rossi experimented with hydrocarbon production once upon a time, might not carbon be the possible catalyst?

          • bachcole

            Or some form of carbon, or some form of carbon vibrating at some frequency.

            Whatever it is, I doubt if Rossi stumbled around, at least not much. He reasoned out a way to test with quick feedback what might work. And then he tried that one in depth at length. Otherwise, we are talking about (# of isotopes in the world) times (# of frequencies in the world) times (# of sizes of nanoparticles in the world) times (# of amplitudes in the world) times (# of chamber shapes in the world) times (2 for sonic or electromagnetic) times (????). That formula is just a sketch of his original edisonian problem.

            Of course, after all of that work he would need a homeopathic remedy to sleep at night. (:->)

        • Omega Z

          Magnetic field, waves or whatever are important, But
          The secret Catalyst is a physical substance…

          Rossi once stated that they do not recharge the E-cat every 6 months do to exhausting the nickle or hydrogen, But because the Catalyst is exhausted at that time.

          • bachcole

            You may be right. But trusting Rossi on something like that is at least a slight stretch. And we will see. (:->)

      • hempenearth

        The Levi report referred to an industrial trade secret waveform. (bottom of page 3)

    • Facepalm

      According to Sven Kullander, Rossi has said that the E-Cat works without the catalyst, but with much lower efficiency.

      http://www.energikatalysatorn.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=376&start=20#p17145

    • Simon

      Does Rossi really need this patent, if he will manufacture E-cats by robots extremely cheap? Meanwhile, each day of delay is a loss (for a mankind) of, may be, a billion dollars.

      • GreenWin

        No. He does not need a US patent. Trade Secret law is more universal. And the commercialization process cannot be rushed at the cost of safety issues. Each day LENR gets better and the potential market grows.

    • GreenWin

      The Patterson Power Cell is a granted USPTO patent that utilitzes some form of cold fusion. We also have the recent Navy/JWK patent and Blacklight/Mills patent for anomalous heat production (don’t recall the title.)

  • blanco69

    OK, I’m quite encouraged by this. It suggests that Rossi/IH are trying to secure as much third party verification as possible in order to add weight to any future patent apps. Fact remains that they’re not going to get patent approval without some investment. Maybe, this is where the boys from Cherokee come in.

  • blanco69

    OK, I’m quite encouraged by this. It suggests that Rossi/IH are trying to secure as much third party verification as possible in order to add weight to any future patent apps. Fact remains that they’re not going to get patent approval without some investment. Maybe, this is where the boys from Cherokee come in.

  • Kwhilborn

    I think Rossi started his JONP website because everything in this field is rejected by magazines like NATURE (Where we want to see LENR).

    His website is supposed to be Peer Reviewed, but we know its reputation is less than 1% the stature of Nature Magazine in this regard.

    Who owns Nature Magazine? It would be funny if Big Oil was on the list of shareholders. They could stop clean Energy Tech simply by ignoring any relevant science..

    With dozens of companies in the LENR race, plus endorsements from NASA, I am sure governments are fully aware of LENR. It is a disruptive technology for a reason though and I think markets need to prepare for it. I dislike the delays also, but I feel public knowledge will come within 5 years.

    • I have report that a small network of influential but shy decision makers (like big CTO) are aware and quietly trying to prepare the landing.

      It is hard for naive people like us to imagine the violence that Physicist can show against even big corps CTO and governmental experts if they were caught having some “relationship” with LENR.

      as shown in the titanic article of jed rothwell, and on latest talk of Nathan lewis supporting is proven lies, there is no limit to the physicist capacity to lie and do evil against dissenters. I only know one other scientific domain with such a human ego and toxicity.

      both are sure science is settled. that is the only problem. i don’t even think hot fusion and the billions are important. Physics is a religion, not a science.
      The other scientific domain which show similar violence against dissenters is also a religion.

      Find the religion, and you will find the spanish inquisition.

      • Kwhilborn

        Yes. I find it hard to believe NASA Chief of Research at Langley Dennis Bushnell could be heralding LENR and obviously getting NASA Support/Funding/boeing project without Obama and white house staff in the know.

        I agree some attempts to ignore LENR are to help ease it in.

        • of course the politicians are not aware, and the administration hid it to the dumb decisions makers.
          moreover the decision makers with time took the good decision to lest some agency free about some budget because they know tat good things happen from the unexpected.
          this is why in academies there are tenure, in corps there are senior fellow.

          those guys are free to do what they decide, provided they stay in the budget.
          This is also way today most dissenters are protected that way, and not slaves of publication count or funding commission.
          The sad point is that there is less and less new tenure/senior fellow, so that those free mind are old minds, and more and more they are selected because they are not dissenters. They are even sometime selected to protect the consensus from a herd of dissenters.

          a counterexample is the skunkwork team of Lockheed Martin.

  • MMK
    • BroKeeper

      Very good investigation MMK. This exposes the raw core of human nature: preserve the self at the cost of others. This affirms LENR/Cold Fusion is well understood in the energy industry sectors and likely with their vast resources, money and power influence the media and government agencies (perhaps USPTO) that could free the rest of society.
      These articles should be archived and released to all to see when this new energy benefits are finally realized. There should and will be a time when these sins are proclaimed on the housetop.

      • Bernie777

        IH is not going to get a US patent until they reveal how it works, as Elan Musk has said, “you think I am stupid, a patent, so China can steal it.”

  • MMK
    • CF is not in the best interest to the US government or big oil, but the greatest obstacle, from my perspective is from the of hot fusion people. There are big stories that need to be exposed. Why else would MIT get $20 million towards HF and $0 towards CF.

      • Cold Fusion/LENR don’t need the government help.
        it is a cost effective technology.
        it need the government protect business freedom, investment freedom, remove irrational obstacle.
        at most it can propose a sovereign insurance against blackswan catastrophes… like on nuclear or waterfall energy. not even sure it is required if we forbid big LENR reactors.

        i am only afrad and nearly sure that government will try to block natural LENR gold rush, the collapse of renewable, energies, of the grid, of nuke, or oil, of gas, of shales and ofshore industry, or arab oils, of venezuella oil (maybe not), of british and norway oil, of african oil…
        just to protect incumbent interests, as usual.

        • GreenWin

          This is the source of a colossal battle right now. In the USA, the fossil/fission utilities are losing – badly. Distributed energy resources, led by rooftop solar and micro-CHP are causing utilities value to collapse. The coal, oil industries have not been able to stop this. Simultaneously, Tesla, Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, Prius, and other EV car makers confirm transport fuels are transitioning to electric.

        • Christina

          Yes, but the oil industry would be well advised to switch to using what oil is left for manufacturing and combining with graphene and other substances to make cheap and simple dwellings for everyone on Terra Firma instead of having people live in cardboard housing.

          Of course, they should also continue using oil to make the other things they have always made and further inventions that people might want.

          Of course, they’ll want to protect their oil interests in the energy field, but they should now be scrambling to find other necessary uses for oil and should be grateful that another source of energy is being “born” because their oil will or has peaked and won’t support the world’s increased energy demands and we won’t want to use the inferior oils to smut up our environment more, and we won’t want to use all the oil for energy because we desperately need it for merchandise.

          They’ll try and stop the E-Cat, yes. But people will scream and fight them and in the end they’ll capitulate and endorse LENR and work along with it to make the world safe for everyone.

          The big question is if there will be a war because of all the oil producers’ and the oil king’s losing “life support” for their countries, companies, and millions for their “big wigs?”

        • Kwhilborn

          The Government can be trusted. Just ask any Indian.

        • stefan

          Sure, as a temporal measure for “smooth” transaction but, eventually they are doomed to adopt LENR (if it is a practically viable source of energy). Besides there are so many small countries who badly needs such non expensive source of energy …

    • Brokeeper

      “Oil Tycoon/Cartel Amoco (BP) Knew About LENR/Cold Fusion Over 20 Years Ago”
      Very good investigation MMK. This exposes the raw core of human nature: preserve the self at the cost of others. This affirms LENR/Cold Fusion is well understood in the energy industry sectors and likely with their vast resources, money and power influence the media and government agencies (perhaps USPTO) that could free the rest of society.
      These articles should be archived and released to all to see when this new energy benefits are finally realized. There should and will be a time when these sins are proclaimed on the housetop.

  • BroKeeper

    It’s as mysterious as a fat goose flying.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    IH is not going to get a US patent until they reveal how it works, as Elan Musk has said, “you think I am stupid, a patent, so China can steal it.”

  • jaman73

    Since Nuclear Reactors occur in Nature, their logic suggests that nuclear reactors can not be patented either. See article from Scientific American about the natural reactor in Gabon. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/07/13/natures-nuclear-reactors-the-2-billion-year-old-natural-fission-reactors-in-gabon-western-africa/

    • US_Citizen71

      Interesting article! I have often wondered if natural reactors might explain some of the hot springs seen throughout Colorado. We haven’t had an active volcano in millions of years here, but have many hot springs at altitudes of greater than 8000 ft. We also have plenty of naturally occurring uranium as well.

      • jaman73

        And, LENR may likely occur in nature as well. Even right beneath our feet and even in Colorado!

        Dear Colleagues,

        We are pleased to forward a copy of our paper “Thermal energy generation in the earth”, published in the European Geosciences Union’s journal, Nonlinear Processes in Geophysics. It can be downloaded at http://www.nonlin-processes-geophys.net/21/367/2014/.

        We welcome your comments and look forward to hearing from you. Finally, you may consider the possibility that building reactors based upon the Earth’s energy source could turn out to be considerably easier than building reactors based upon the Sun’s energy source.

        Best regards,
        Fred and John

        He He He!

      • The reactors discovered in Gabon were active when there was enough naturally occurring U235 to support the fission reaction. If there is a nuclear source for Colorado’s springs, it won’t be from U235.

        • US_Citizen71

          I’m not saying that there are any natural reactors in Colorado, it just some of the hot springs at such altitude you wonder how the magma makes it so far up. Most of the mountains here are due to tectonic plates coming together and pushing up, very few were volcanically formed. We have plenty of minerals including uranium, so it is not inconceivable that a natural sluice box could create a large pocket of highly concentrated uranium and when you consider this area was once and inland sea the potential for the uranium to be in a salt form that could precipitate out in high concentration is there as well. The natural reactors at Gabon were born out of similar conditions. If they do exist in Colorado they would be under hundreds of feet of granite and not easily studied.

          • bachcole

            I wondered why I glowed in the dark.

            US_Citizen71, I like your adventuresome spirit willing to think outside of the box, but if your theory were correct, then the water would contain radioactivity, and it doesn’t.

            However, it is a well-known and accepted fact that radioactivity keeps the interior of the Earth hot. If it were just gravitation collapse energy, the Earth would have cooled long ago.

            For some place to be volcanic, the magma needs to “want” to rise to the surface. Being close to the surface is not enough. If it were, Yellowstone would blow and the human race would be screwed, blued, and tattooed.

  • Cold Fusion/LENR don’t need the government help.
    it is a cost effective technology.
    it need the government protect business freedom, investment freedom, remove irrational obstacle.
    at most it can propose a sovereign insurance against blackswan catastrophes… like on nuclear or waterfall energy. not even sure it is required if we forbid big LENR reactors.

    i am only afrad and nearly sure that government will try to block natural LENR gold rush, the collapse of renewable, energies, of the grid, of nuke, or oil, of gas, of shales and ofshore industry, or arab oils, of venezuella oil (maybe not), of british and norway oil, of african oil…
    just to protect incumbent interests, as usual.

    • GreenWin

      This is the source of a colossal battle right now. In the USA, the fossil/fission utilities are losing – badly. Distributed energy resources, led by rooftop solar and micro-CHP are causing utilities value to collapse. The coal, oil industries have not been able to stop this. Simultaneously, Tesla, Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, Prius, and other EV car makers confirm transport fuels are transitioning to electric.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Apparently not being able to do what nature can do makes it novel and patentable.

    • Kwhilborn

      The Government can be trusted. Just ask any Indian.

  • GreenWin

    MIT’s Dr. Eugene Mallove on scientific fraud and denial of cold fusion patents.

    “American citizens are being denied their constitutional rights… There is serious criminal activity that must be rooted out if the cold fusion revolution [is to have]… a commercial infrastructure.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y98YwJ2GEE

    • Kwhilborn

      Maybe instead of replication such as with MFMP, a lawsuit against Patent Office would draw public attentions.

      • bachcole

        I like it.

  • GreenWin

    MIT’s Dr. Eugene Mallove on scientific fraud and denial of cold fusion patents.

    “American citizens are being denied their constitutional rights… There is serious criminal activity that must be rooted out if the cold fusion revolution [is to have]… a commercial infrastructure.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y98YwJ2GEE

    • Kwhilborn

      Maybe instead of replication such as with MFMP, a lawsuit against Patent Office would draw public attentions.

      • bachcole

        I like it.

      • Eggnog

        Interesting that the Patent Office happily gave NASA a cold fusion patent (it references widom-larsen theory only). (Or maybe they only applied for one so far and it was posted, I don’t know the details).

  • US_Citizen71

    Interesting article! I have often wondered if natural reactors might explain some of the hot springs seen throughout Colorado. We haven’t had an active volcano in millions of years here, but have many hot springs at altitudes of greater than 8000 ft. We have plenty of naturally occurring uranium as well.

  • Kwhilborn

    He did get Italian Patent only I believe.

  • Andrea

    I think they will not grant a patent to Rossi. They are waiting for an USA inventor. This is a Game-changing strategic matter. We have seen this movie lot of times in the history.

  • Fortyniner

    Each of Burke’s ‘reasons’ for rejection is very weak on its own, so he feels compelled to supply three of them in order to justify his decision. ‘Overkill’ is very often an attempt to disguise an agenda as due process.

    Unfortunately though, I would have to agree that the application as it stands probably doesn’t merit granting, simply because insufficient information is provided to allow replication. Rossi/IH should just abandon this attempt to get patent protection, for all the reasons previously discussed on this forum – at least until such time that an openly working reactor can be demonstrated.

  • psi2u2

    Very interesting post, Bachcole.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Before Rossi reveals all of the secrets of the E-Cat to the patent department he must have a guaranty that his patent won’t be sequestered.

    http://e-catsite.com/2012/04/20/lanr-by-coulomb-explosion/

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Before Rossi reveals all of the secrets of the E-Cat to the patent department he must have a guaranty that his patent won’t be sequestered.

    http://e-catsite.com/2012/04/20/lanr-by-coulomb-explosion/

  • hempenearth

    The Levi report referred to an industrial trade secret waveform. (bottom of page 3)

  • US_Citizen71

    I’m not saying that there are any natural reactors in Colorado, it just some of the hot springs at such altitude you wonder how the magma makes it so far up. Most of the mountains here are due to tectonic plates coming together and pushing up, very few were volcanically formed. We have plenty of minerals including uranium, so it is not inconceivable that a natural sluice box could create a large pocket of highly concentrated uranium and when you consider this area was once and inland sea the potential for the uranium to be in a salt form that could precipitate out in high concentration is there as well. The natural reactors at Gabon were born out of similar conditions. If they do exist in Colorado they would be under hundreds of feet of granite and not easily studied.

  • GreenWin

    George H will find this link amusing: http://www.corrupt-uspto.org/

  • GreenWin

    George H will find this link amusing: http://www.corrupt-uspto.org/

  • Omega Z

    I believe the Science AlainCo refers to is Heating Up…

  • jousterusa

    One thing that keeps coming up for me as I read this and think about it is the sale of Unit #1 to the US military. Could they not have vouched for its utility to the US Patent Office? Or has it been “inoperable” for them, so that they are trying to forget they ever bought it? I’ve always wondered how a taxpayer-funded military unit could purchase a $1.5 million device in absolute secret, too. It would seem that at least one of the services, or perhaps the Joint Chiefs, would be legally bound to be responsive to an FOIA request about such a purchase, especially since it is not a Top Secret issue, as borne out by the Defense Intelligence Agency white paper and NASA interviews..

    • Omega Z

      The majority of FOIA’s use to be granted. Today the majority are declined.
      And Note: NORAD is Legally Exempt.
      And, FOIA does not apply to Area 51 as it does not exist.
      FOIA only applies if They Admit that something Exists.

      Basically, FOIA is really just an Illusion to appease the masses.
      Even a Judge can’t force disclosure.
      When pushed hard enough, you get a page with letterhead & a completely blackened(Redacted) page.

  • jousterusa

    One thing that keeps coming up for me as I read this and think about it is the sale of Unit #1 to the US military. Could they not have vouched for its utility to the US Patent Office? Or has it been “inoperable” for them, so that they are trying to forget they ever bought it? I’ve always wondered how a taxpayer-funded military unit could purchase a $1.5 million device in absolute secret, too. It would seem that at least one of the services, or perhaps the Joint Chiefs, would be legally bound to be responsive to an FOIA request about such a purchase, especially since it is not a Top Secret issue, as borne out by the Defense Intelligence Agency white paper and NASA interviews..

    • Omega Z

      The majority of FOIA’s use to be granted. Today the majority are declined.
      And Note: NORAD is Legally Exempt.
      And, FOIA does not apply to Area 51 as it does not exist.
      FOIA only applies if They Admit that something Exists.

      Basically, FOIA is really just an Illusion to appease the masses.
      Even a Judge can’t force disclosure.
      When pushed hard enough, you get a page with letterhead & a completely blackened(Redacted) page.

  • The denial of claims is a normal process. It has taken me 7 years to successfully obtain my latest patent from the US patent office when initially all my claims were denied. The speed of obtaining a patent is a direct reflection on the skill of the attorney defending it. A well written filing which avoids the pitfalls is a testament to that fact. The issue is whether or not Dr. Rossi will be forced to disclose the details of the “catalyst” (which may not be physical compound). His fear that other might improve on it and bypass him has precedence. However in doing so in his patent will allow it to have priority over all other patent filings. I wish him luck and suggest that he remain steadfast.

  • The denial of claims is a normal process. It has taken me 7 years to successfully obtain my latest patent from the US patent office when initially all my claims were denied. The speed of obtaining a patent is a direct reflection on the skill of the attorney defending it. A well written filing which avoids the pitfalls is a testament to that fact. The issue is whether or not Dr. Rossi will be forced to disclose the details of the “catalyst” (which may not be physical compound). His fear that other might improve on it and bypass him has precedence. However in doing so in his patent will allow it to have priority over all other patent filings. I wish him luck and suggest that he remain steadfast.