Passerini: E-Cat Test Completed, Results 'Remarkable' [Update: Rossi Comments]

Thanks to Mr. Moho for finding this comment from Italian Blogger Daniele Passerini who posted the following message on his 22Passi.blogspot.com site.

Sources that I used to draw are now depleted, new sources (Italian, Bolognese but not) tell me that the report is completed and the performance certificate cat Rossi is remarkable!

Here’s the link to the comment itself — original in Italian: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2014/04/mai-dire-impossibile-dimensione.html?showComment=1396543253349#c7218168930314222978

Reading Mats Lewan’s book we learn that Passerini is a close friend of Giuseppe Levi, who was involved in last year’s test — but Passerini specifically states here that he has new sources for this piece of information and not anyone from Bologna, which is where Levi works. So maybe Levi isn’t involved this time.

Anyway, it’s interesting to get a scrap of information at least!

UPDATE:

Andrea Rossi just posted the following response to this comment on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

“To the Readers:
I have been informed that around some blogs there are “rumors”, “whispers”, “innuendos”, “voices” et similia about the results of the long term experiment made by the Third Indipendent Party. I can guarantee that these noises are just certified stupidities. I myself do not know what is in the data collected by the Professors, and they did not give me a bit of such data. They have retrieved the hard disks to avoid any possible manipulation and demanded that everybody who attended the test had to sign a very strict NDA about the fact that no bit of information can be given to anybody before the publication of the report. Such report will be made indipendently from the results, which could be positive or negative. As a consequence of this, any noise made by “rumors, whispers, voices” and acustics of various kind, coming from “Italian” or whatsoever source,are nothing but useless air displacement operated by idle tongues.
The results will be given first to me 3 days before the publication to give us the time to organize a defense in case of negative output, then they will be published so that everybody interested will have them.
Warm Regards,
A.R.”

  • Gerard McEk

    The tension is rising……..

  • georgehants

    I think I might have just one more glass of red.

    • Barry8

      I’m with you George, a toast, Cabernet.

      • Fortyniner

        Ozzie red plonk – Cheers!

  • georgehants

    I think I might have just one more glass of red.

    • I’m with you George, a toast, Cabernet.

  • clovis ray

    nice find Mr. Moho, if true it could be the good news, we all have waited for , for so long.

    • Mr. Moho

      In the past several months very little information about Rossi’s progress came out of Passerini, so if he’s saying so now, I guess it’s about to happen. It’s eventually going to, anyway.

      @ecatworld: as far I understand he is referring to the report, not just the test.

      • ecatworld

        Good point. If the report itself is complete, we could be looking at a matter of days. That sounds a little optimistic to me, but I am prepared to be pleasantly surprised

        • Bertuswonkel

          Not so sure, if they want to publish in a peer reviewed journal it could take months…

          • Daniel Maris

            There are no peer reviewed journals that would make a difference which would publish the results in my view.

          • Sanjeev

            How many billions can Rossi make if he successfully publishes this test result in a mainstream journal ? Exactly zero.
            How many billions, if he arranges a meeting with world’s top corporations and gov bodies and presents his findings? Countless.

            I don’t see any point in hitting the mainstream science wall with one’s head.

          • Bertuswonkel

            I don’t really care if it is published in a peer reviewed journal. It fine for me to send us a pre-print. I just thought that it was the goal of the research team.

  • clovis ray

    nice find Mr. Moho, if true it could be the good news, we all have waited for , for so long.

  • Christina

    We’re getting somewhere at last.

  • Christina

    We’re getting somewhere at last.

  • bachcole

    I have trouble keeping up with all of the comments before THE announcement. What happens after the announcement? You may have to visit me in a mental hospital for the deliriously insane. (:->)

  • bachcole

    I have trouble keeping up with all of the comments before THE announcement. What happens after the announcement? You may have to visit me in a mental hospital for the deliriously insane. (:->)

  • Buck

    To say the obvious:

    We have all been impressed with IH for various reasons, not the least of which is their practiced ability to pursue a strategic and tactical perspective that appears to encompass both business and politics.

    If the report is complete, then it is certain IH knows the details and are or have come to a conclusion on how far they can use the test results to forward their agenda: attraction of investors, attraction of partners, attraction of specific market segments & customers, addressing political/regulatory concerns, developing an operational product, etc.

    Rossi’s suggestive response about a full blown press conference makes me wonder who will be there. What will the Press Release say to fire up the journalistic curiosity? How much will IH say?

    Yup . . . tension is rising.

  • Buck

    To say the obvious:

    We have all been impressed with IH for various reasons, not the least of which is their practiced ability to pursue a strategic and tactical perspective that appears to encompass both business and politics.

    If the report is complete, then it is certain IH knows the details and are coming or have come to a conclusion on how far they can use the test results to forward their agenda: attraction of investors, attraction of partners, attraction of specific market segments & customers, addressing political/regulatory concerns, developing an operational product, etc.

    Rossi’s suggestive response about a full blown press conference makes me wonder who will be there. What will the Press Release say to fire up the journalistic curiosity? How much will IH say?

    Yup . . . tension is rising.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Is the big moment we’ve all been waiting for finally coming?

    The idea of a press conference seems like a big change to the reports presentations. They must be very satisfied and confident should they really plan this. I imagine that the test and report have been done by some very respected scientists so the world cannot dismiss their claims and reputations. They will also have learned from the previous reports and mistakes and should have a very solid report prepared. A conference, done well, could spark the hype and they might just be ready to do so.

    We live in interesting times…

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Is the big moment we’ve all been waiting for finally coming?

    The idea of a press conference seems like a big change to the reports presentations. They must be very satisfied and confident should they really plan this. I imagine that the test and report have been done by some very respected scientists so the world cannot dismiss their claims and reputations. They will also have learned from the previous reports and mistakes and should have a very solid report prepared. A conference, done well, could spark the hype and they might just be ready to do so.

    We live in interesting times…

  • Bob Greenyer

    This sounds like great news!

  • Bob Greenyer

    This sounds like great news!

  • Pg

    I don t think that there is any comment of the kind written above on the blog. If there is any it must have been from April 1st

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Don’t speak a single word of Italian, so they could have fooled me. It would not be a good joke, because it’s exactly what I have been expecting.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      It’s right there in the link! The date is April 3rd.

    • artefact

      03 aprile 2014 18:40
      from that time

      • Pg

        Apologies

        • artefact

          no time for that. We need to buy popcorn!

  • Pg

    I don t think that there is any comment of the kind written above on the blog. If there is any it must have been from April 1st

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Don’t speak a single word of Italian, so they could have fooled me. It would not be a good joke, because it’s exactly what I have been expecting.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      It’s right there in the link! The date is April 3rd.

    • artefact

      03 aprile 2014 18:40
      from that time

      • Pg

        Apologies

        • artefact

          no time for that. We need to buy popcorn!

  • Freethinker

    Brace yourselves.

    It is about to go ballistic.

    In the mean time, read Mats Lewan’s book. Not through yet, but so far it is captivating.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Just began reading it. So far very captivating 🙂

      I hope we will have another even more captivating read very soon (the test report).

      I have a feeling we are about to witness history being made…

    • Barry8

      You spoke my mind Freethinker.

  • Freethinker

    Brace yourselves.

    It is about to go ballistic.

    In the mean time, read Mats Lewan’s book. Not through yet, but so far it is captivating.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Just began reading it. So far very captivating 🙂

      I hope we will have another even more captivating read very soon (the test report).

      I have a feeling we are about to witness history being made…

    • You spoke my mind Freethinker.

  • LENR4you

    Report of UNI LENR Lecture by Tom Wind
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/03/11/report-uni-lenr-lecture-by-tom-wind/

    The University of Nothern Iowa presents LENR The Promise of clean and affordable Energy Thomas A. Wind:

    Intro LENR Wind
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvLGeiG9lWg
    Part 1 Origins of LENR … Twenty-Year History of Lattice-Enabled
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUBMtBar9JE
    Part 2 Rossi’s LENR Technology
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naRYEFoPCAo
    Part 3 Descriptions and Affirmations of LENR
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNqh7MG-zhM
    Part 4 Other LENR Examples and Comparison to Hot Fusion
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ONegbxuL_g
    Part 5 Challenges and Future Uses of LENR
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNe0W8YjoQk

  • BroKeeper

    Perhaps it’s time to consider purchasing petroleum corporation’s put stock options. 😉

    • JDM

      DUG!

      • BroKeeper

        “Data User Guide”, “Drug Underground”, “Dayton Urban Gardener”?? 🙂

        • JDM

          ProShares UltraShort Oil & Gas ETF (Ticker DUG)
          Short the entire industry in one fell swoop.

          • BroKeeper

            That’s a relief. I was hoping it wan’t “Dementia Unit for Geriatrics ( I can relate often) .
            Good tip, thanks! 🙂

  • Brokeeper

    Perhaps it’s time to consider purchasing petroleum corporations’ put stock options. 😉
    Great news!

    • JDM

      DUG!

      • Brokeeper

        “Data User Guide”, “Drug Underground”, “Dayton Urban Gardener”?? 🙂

        • JDM

          ProShares UltraShort Oil & Gas ETF (Ticker DUG)
          Short the entire industry in one fell swoop.

          • Brokeeper

            That’s a relief. I was hoping it wasn’t “Dementia Unit for Geriatrics” ( I can relate too often) .
            Good tip, thanks! 🙂

    • RAJ

      Somebody once posted on this forum the ticker symbol of a derivative that makes two dollars for every dollar drop in the price of oil, but I can’t find it now…

    • RAJ

      Ah, never mind, DUG, got it! 🙂

  • Arnie

    Mats lewan:i know you read this forum. Your book came at the same time the test ready. Rossi approves on your book, even recommends it, the same day. Seems too unlikely to be just a coincidence… Comments on that?

    • bachcole

      I’m sure that it is a conspiracy.

  • Arnie

    Mats lewan:i know you read this forum. Your book came at the same time the test ready. Rossi approves on your book, even recommends it, the same day. Seems too unlikely to be just a coincidence… Comments on that?

    • bachcole

      I’m sure that it is a conspiracy.

      • Arnie

        Why would it be a conspiracy? I was just implying that Mats has some inside info, perhaps even knows the test result already… But then again, Rossi is strongly denying any knowledge about the test, so perhaps it was just a coincidence anyway

        • Arnie

          Sorry bout the double answer, thought my first reply disappeared into the unknown aether…

      • Arnie

        No, I was just implying that this was also something pointing to that Rossi knows the test result, and that Mats perhaps got some first hand info already…
        Not that he would tell us if that was the case, but one can always speculate
        But Rossi is denying it strongly, so perhaps it was just that, a coincidence… 🙂

    • HarryD

      Rossi reccomended Mats’ book? Do you have a source, I’d love to see that!

    • Arnie

      HarryD: I am not able to copy/paste in the commentary field for some reason,( writing this on an iPad) ,but his comment about Mats book is from April 2 6:15 AM on JONP

  • winebuff

    I’m betting this still won’t make a big enough splash for skeps and big media but will build and expand the amount of believers

    • bfast

      I’m with you on this. I think that the only thing that will splash is a product available for commercial purchase — with deliveries being made.

      • bachcole

        But Bruce, eventually other manufacturers are going to notice that IH et. al. are busy building units and will want to get in on the action. Not everyone lives miles from other people. (:->) But I think that you could be right. It may not break open the giant egg and the full grown T. Rex jumps out and chases away the fossil fuel demons. But it will grow.

        • jousterusa

          The day that Rossi announces the home-sized E-Cats that generate electricity are coming off the assembly line is the day we’ll get a splash. That will be too big to miss, especially if they are affordable.

    • Quiet Wine Guy

      I’ll take that bet for big media, but not for skeps. Some of them still think our landing on the moon was a fraud; nothing will dissuade them.

  • winebuff

    I’m betting this still won’t make a big enough splash for skeps and big media but will build and expand the amount of believers

    • Heath

      That may depend on who else was doing the testing. If it has been tested representatives from well-known corporations that are investment partners with IH, I think that will raise some eyebrows. Most times the pathoskeps complain that the last test was carried out by Rossi cohorts. It sounds like this is very different and is perhaps to get the UL certification and patents in line.

    • bfast

      I’m with you on this. I think that the only thing that will splash is a product available for commercial purchase — with deliveries being made.

      • bachcole

        But Bruce, eventually other manufacturers are going to notice that IH et. al. are busy building units and will want to get in on the action. Not everyone lives miles from other people. (:->) But I think that you could be right. It may not break open the giant egg and the full grown T. Rex jumps out and chases away the fossil fuel demons. But it will grow.

        • jousterusa

          The day that Rossi announces the home-sized E-Cats that generate electricity are coming off the assembly line is the day we’ll get a splash. That will be too big to miss, especially if they are affordable.

    • Quiet Wine Guy

      I’ll take that bet for big media, but not for skeps. Some of them still think our landing on the moon was a fraud; nothing will dissuade them.

  • Miles

    Seems like everyone if feeding of each others positive comments. There is no official statement yet. What can we expect in 2014 ??? Any announcements?? global media coverage???

    • BroKeeper

      It’s released teakettle whistle pressure before full boil.

    • Omega Z

      You Are Right.
      But Passi is usually right on.
      I also don’t think he would have posted this if he wasn’t pretty confident of his source. It would be pretty harmful to his Blog’s Credibility if he were wrong.

  • Miles

    Seems like everyone if feeding of each others positive comments. There is no official statement yet. What can we expect in 2014 ??? Any announcements?? global media coverage???

    • Brokeeper

      It’s released teakettle whistle pressure before full boil.

    • Omega Z

      You Are Right.
      But Passi is usually right on.
      I also don’t think he would have posted this if he wasn’t pretty confident of his source. It would be pretty harmful to his Blog’s Credibility if he were wrong.

  • Christopher Calder

    Does anyone know if the Hot-Cat tested had a Mouse attached to it. You may remember that Rossi used a smaller reactor to heat up a bigger reactor in a newer Hot-Cat design. That might alter the COP. If anyone can ask Rossi, please do.

    • ecatworld

      I believe someone has asked Rossi about this, and he said yes — cat and mouse configuration is being used.

      • Christopher Calder

        Thanks. That makes the results potentially more interesting.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          Agreed. Copy should be way up compared to the previous test then…

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            That has to COP obviously…

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Even with copious energy a cop could be good or bad…

          • US_Citizen71

            No more good cop bad cop, I want a stable energetic cop… ; – )

          • winebuff

            The cop magic number is 10 for industry use. Correct?

          • ecatworld

            I don’t think that’s necessarily so. Mike McKubre said that in an interview, but I think there are plenty of industrial processes where a stable COP lower than 10 would be fine, especially when you start talking about cogeneration processes where ‘waste heat’ isn’t wasted but put to good uses.

          • Quiet Wine Guy

            It is also dependent upon the regional cost of natural gas. So, in places like Japan, the required economic COP is lower than say in the US.

    • bfast

      Actually, if I understand correctly, the mouse is physically much bigger than the cat. Oh the irony. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Its hard to read the tea leaves with so little data.

      • bachcole

        bfast stands for Bruce Fast, our beloved and always insightful commenter and blogger from north of the Arctic Circle. (:->)

      • Omega Z

        bfast

        Seems right. And Rossi said the Mouse was not inside the cat.
        Maybe the Cat is inside the mouse.
        As in what we think iof as the cat is the mouse. The Cat being a smaller tube in the center. Just remembering the Hot-Cat with the plugs in the end of that inner tube in the photos.

        Never can be certain: I have followed long enough & read things stated by those around Rossi to know that Rossi himself sometimes posts misinformation(FUD) to confuse his competition. 🙂

    • Omega Z

      I’m not absolutely positive, But it seems Rossi did indicate this test was being done with the Mouse/Cat.

      • artefact

        I’m very sure it is Mouse/Cat.

        • Omega Z

          yogurt LOL
          That’s not how I spell it. 🙂

          • Billy Jackson

            i think we will hear from assistants, or friends of assistants co-workers, those on the fringes.. it should all be taken with a grain of salt till we get the actual report. remember rumor has a tendency to twist and embellish with abandon depending on who’s telling the story..

          • Pietro F.
          • BroKeeper

            Thanks Pietro. Very insightful on Cherokee/Rossi’s patent and marketing strategies.

          • Mr. Moho

            Agreed!

            @ecatworld:disqus I propose that email to be promoted to a full post while we wait for the report to get released somewhere.

          • Mr. Moho

            I’m not sure how reliable this is (I see it was mentioned today on Cobraf forum as well), but from this excerpt:

            So when a certain blogger attempted to discover the Rossi process by taking
            equipment in to Rossi’s lab that would have compromised the security of
            Rossi’s operation he threw them out much to that persons chagrin, as he
            thought he was part of the in-crowd. Rossi also threw out a partner who had
            connections to the blogger. The blogger then started writing anti Rossi
            postings in order to delay Rossi’s move to exploitation.

            It’s quite obvious who that blogger is. Pretty damning if true. I wonder where this information came from.

          • GreenWin

            A new validation of “The Rossi Effect” will set off the well-planned, usual skeptofest denouncing the qualities of professors, procedures, publishing etc. Mainstream science hates to be questioned:

            “When a man of the profound scientific wisdom of Simon Newcomb (for
            example) had demonstrated with unassailable logic why man couldn’t fly,
            why should the public be fooled by silly stories about two obscure
            bicycle repairmen who hadn’t even been to college. Professor Newcomb was
            so distinguished an astronomer that he was the only American since
            Benjamin Franklin to be made an associate of the Institute of France. It
            was widely assumed that what he didn’t know about the laws of physics
            simply wasn’t in books. And that when he said that flying couldn’t be
            done, there was no need to inquire any further.”
            THE WRIGHT BROTHERS, by Fred C. Kelly

          • georgehants

            It is just fascinating that the average scientist does not seem to have the common sense after so many examples of “expert opinion” being proved as just another comic act of the century in science, they still sit around worshipping their premier comics and establishment declarations, of for example, Cold Fusion is bollocks.
            The average scientist seems to have an I.Q. slightly less then a glass of cold water.
            Perhaps a few scientists on page would like to debate this point with me.
            I don’t think so, they will be hiding on their own comedy blog sites where the only words they know are “crackpot” etc.

          • Obvious

            If common sense was actually common, this would be a very different world we live in.

          • georgehants

            Obvious, your reply is obtuse please try and make some sense of it.
            Do you you mean a better or worse World.

          • Obvious

            Better.

          • georgehants

            Now you have to consider joining the spiritual community that is willing to give a chance to the Quantum knowledge that out thinking can effect our reality.

          • Obvious

            How is the knowledge Quantum? I thought knowledge was more Bremsstrahlung-like.

          • georgehants

            Obvious, you must move away from any type of thinking that try’s to explain in simple terms our reality.
            The Quantum does not allow this.
            One must just follow the Research and without any kind of foolish of being taken in learn.
            http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

          • Obvious

            Now that’s obtuse.

          • georgehants

            Obvious, it is not for me to in any way influence your interpretation, you have the same freedom of thought of every individual on this planet.
            You make your choice, but don’t blame somebody else for your choice.

          • Obvious

            I can blame the racket of 7 billion noisy brains with interfering with my thoughts if want to. All that noisy thinking is probably the cause of reverse entropy in the nano sphere experiment… if no one was thinking near the experiment, it probably wouldn’t happen at all… The wave of “I’m hungry” refrains of those brains travelling around the globe is enough to make me put on a tin foil hat. It is both sad and annoying. But the “wake up and scratch bum” thought wave going around the Earth more or less synchronized with sunrise is Really annoying… Humans better clean up their thoughts before collective thinking starts happening.

          • georgehants

            Obvious, I am going to bed, thank you for our discussion, most enjoyable.
            There are so many Wonderful things out there that most people are not even remotely aware of.
            I look forward to another chat. 🙂

          • LilyLover

            Sometimes looking back 25 years, in the field of Science, I feel I never came across real Scientists. Yes, the PhDs, Professors, Deans or Post-Docs included. Common scenario: PhD Student: Which professor has funding? OK, Dear Prof, my area of interest is … me too! Feeding families or paying student debt takes precedence over Science. Then, these Scientific drones use the common sense to survive. Unless, free-willed research is funded (even at $15 per hour), nothing good can come out of “Science” – Industry. Today, MSM meme-based topics get approved for funding by the “Policy-Makers” for which “Professors” (to profess is to beg?) compete to win the award. To which the Scientific Workers conform. So, may be they base it too much on common sense. That’s why unlimited free education is important. Fraction of War/Welfare cost!
            Another thing – Objects / Non living entity cannot possess intelligence. Therefore IP rights should only belong to people from whom corporations can license annually. A scientist needs to be able to capitalize on the inventions and a corporation should never be. MBA in finance with army of lawyers siphons the fruits of inventors to the top of the corporations. Then all good scientists decide that their children should be lawyers or MBAs.
            Just like military, Patent office must be run as a totally free service to the society. All patent lawyers must be on public payroll. If not all the time, at least every alternate year to establish their free market worth. Ther should also be Language experts. The applicant, big or small, can only be known after the patent is adjudicated. Combination of anonymity, randomness and claim-language-sanitizers should lead to three patent lawyers preparing the case independently. Then, the claimant can pick a combination and send it to another lawyer for final application. Then, the WORK of the patent office is to help facilitate the granting of the patent and interactively help steer the patent to fruition all the while not knowing who the claimant is. To steer a meritorious patent to fruition is complete departure from present stance of default-denial.

            This is supposed to help in the transitory period so that frivolous claims cannot be granted to TheBig and important claims are not denied to individuals.
            This will cost less than a few thousand welfare-moms. Children of whom could in turn have a chance to employ ten times over in the following generation with equal right to IP protection. May be I’m rambling too much… but you get the point, right? So, no, it’s the society that has no common sense of protecting the individualized IP and disallowing “corporate IP”. Society loves to stay poor and coward. That’s why they let the grasshoppers have it all. In that context, the Scientific workers, simply conform to the Big Science and exhibit the common sense. I wanted them to exhibit – sense. The commons are anti-sense. Therefore I hope scientists never exhibit common sense. That’s what has led to the situation today. So, no more common sense. Just proper sense. & That’s why only the “mad” scientist will succeed as of now.

            🙂

          • GreenWin

            The lesson being taught by LENR is to remind the high and mighty that they are not so high or mighty after all. Regardless of how high and mighty one purports to be… there is ALWAYS someone higher. Ask Thutmoses III.

            And, what goes around will come around. So, be careful what you sew.

          • guga

            Calling a whole group of people stupid is totally inappropriate, completely out of bounds. This is not a base for discussion.

          • georgehants

            guga, well I enjoyed reading your defence or the incompetence and corruption in many areas of science.
            You have convinced me Ha.
            I think that is called a blanket denial, typical of the average scientist.

          • Kwhilborn

            I’m an avid believer in the Ecat. I am also a scientist. I can think of many terms I think suit you beneath “Crackpot” at this moment based on your blanket attack in your previous “crackpot” comment.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Nice to see you finally abandon that bogus argument, and admit Rossi will prevail over time.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            What are you talking about Ophelia.

            Click this link from 2011 (3 years ago)

            http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/17/rossi-rival-to-announce-cold-fusionlenr-findings/

            Now if you read the first comment you will see I have been a Rossi supporter far longer than I have seen your name around.

            I have no bogus arguments.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            I could give a hundred other links under these names.

            Rossi has an ecat, but he keeps underestimating what constitutes proof to the mainstream. In 2010 he thought submitting papers was enough. In 2011 he thought demonstrations would prove it. in 2012/2013 he thought verifications would prove it to mainstream. He has always underestimated how much proof is required. Why should this change now?

            Don’t confuse my lack of enthusiasm for this report as an excuse to badmouth me or say I don’t believe in the ecat as I have typed enough comments over the years in support of Rossi to have penned several books.

          • may I translate your wise warning as:
            “there is no limit to mainstream delusion and resistance to evidence?”

            I confirm as even the japanese government after Hiroshima was discussing details about the status of the Emperor not to surrender… until Nagasaki was bombed, and they finally admit they have no capacity to negociate.

            Thomas Kuhn give the solution to that frequent tragedy :
            – that a theory explain all including current paradigm and new anomaly
            – that the new paradigm give “believers” a huge material advantage, either in solving scientific, or engineering challenges.

            so there is two exit possible :
            – someone propose a good theory, compatible with current QM, to explain LENR
            – that clients are happy with LENR reactors.

            this exclude:
            – evidence
            – 3rd party tests
            – peer-reviewed publication
            – support by industrial, government agencies, financial funds
            – evidence of skeptic frauds and misconducts
            – evidence of incompetence of skeptics
            note that we already have all of that evidence, so no need to check.

          • GreenWin

            Apparently it’s all about “you” Mr. programmer?

          • friendlyprogrammer

            If someone came along claiming you were a skeptopath after years of hard core support for not only the ecat, but other forms of LENR it is hard not to call them a liar. You skeptics just hate us LENR folk.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            (continued)

            I have also been very active trying to prove LENR and provide proof…

            “First of all we have Piantelli who basically discovered the nickel/hydrogen process. He now has a company called Nichenergy. Piantelli has applied for patents and is only claiming a 2-4 times energy gain. He is missing something key that rossi has. Whatever catalyst is being used. I’m guessing harmonic sound might be in play, but that’s a guess. Allegedly; Piantelli has a theory that doesn’t require exotic reactions, but can be explained using known physics and mathematics. A semi-complete theory has been provided to the University of Siena and will be published shortly. The complete theory will probably be disclosed after the first commercial units have been sold.

            ———————————————–
            According to Dennis Bushnell, chief scientist at NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, NASA was working years ago on experiments based on Piantelli’s research, and that it continues.

            So NASA is doing Hydrogen/Nickel experiments admittedly.

            http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/…lenr-research/

            We should look at work done by Francesco Piantelli

            Please have a look at the above link.. here it is again.

            http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/…lenr-research/

            a quote from his bio,

            In 1989 Francesco Piantelli-Musso, a biologist at the University of Siena, in the course of his experiments with samples of organic material, noted an anomalous heat production. He made the information public. Focardi also observed the phenomenon and the two scientists decided to create a working group. They later added Roberto Habel, a member of the INFN at the University of Cagliari, as a member. This was in order to extensively study the cause of that anomaly in the formal of thermal energy.

            In 1996, an attempt was made to replicate experiment of Piantelli-Musso and Focardi at CERN. This was done by a group of CERN in Geneva . It was directed by Antonino Zichichi who then tried a replica of the experiment of Piantelli-Musso and Focardi. The study went on for almost a year. However, in the end has, there was no favorable outcome to the hypothesis of an explanation of nuclear nature of the phenomenon.

            Again in 1999, another attempt was made to replicate the experiment of Piantelli-Musso and Focardi. This was done in the Italian city of Pavia. Piantelli-Musso and Focardi have repeatedly stated that the cell has been built and successfully tested at the respective laboratories at the University of Siena and at the University of Bologna. However, until now there have been other experimental positive feedback by independent groups of researchers

            So we have Patents being issued to Francesco Piantelli for the exact same thing as what Andrea Rossi is doing, except Andrea Rossi is claiming his is superior.

            Now Andrea Rossi is one of those guys who likes to duplicate experiments and try to replicate the results. He duplicated the Pons fleischmann cold fusion experiment with Paladium and hydrogen.

            He used a catalyst when re-creating the Francesco Piantelli experiment and has claimed superior results.

            According to New Energy Times On Sept. 22, NASA conducted a LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reaction) Innovation Forum workshop at Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio. Speakers included NASA scientists Joseph Zawodny, Gustave Fralick, Michael Nelson, Jim Dunn and Dennis Bushnell and retired University of Illinois professor George Miley.

            At the meeting, Bushnell said that LENR has a strong potential for a new source of energy. He was optimistic about nickel powder LENR solutions.

            This Workshop can be confirmed to have occurred by looking at the bottom of this NASA website where it states,

            Relevant Presentation:
            + Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon].

            at this web address,
            http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm

            So the Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, Dennis Bushnell is OPTIMISTIC about the ecat.

            NOW LISTEN TO THIS…..
            “The temperature you can get out of [LENR] is interesting,” Bushnell said. “We’ve had to be careful [in our research in] terms of the energetics. I don’t think there is a power [limitation] problem.

            “I think the problem now is of raw courage to look into something that is new. We’ve been fortunate to have a center director at Langley that has the courage to support us to do this. We’ve been at it for three or four years.

            Click on this to see that NASA has readily admitted to replicating the Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR), from Nickel/hydrogen. This is admitted freely.
            http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/…-confirmation/

            So NASA is saying they have been doing Nickel/Hydrogen cold fusion at the NASA Langley Research Center for three or four years.

            Sme Doubt Andrea Rossi, but can they also doubt Francesco Piantelli, and Dennis Bushnell (NASA)

            Piantelli claims his earlier units reported two to four times energy gain, but new units are underway. According to reports, these new units will have two hundred times energy gained. These units are expected to be completed in the next couple of months.

            WoW!! So we have a race going on here.

            Piantelli (who seems like the inventor), then Rossi who seems to have modified the idea, and NASA plugging away at Langley Research Centre for three or four years.

            3 different parties… all claiming the same thing.

            Okay now back to Andrea Rossi and the ecat.

            Sergio Focardi – In 2007, Italian inventor Andrea Rossi, e-cat fusion key figure, contacted Focardi to collaborate on his work on cold fusion. Sergio Focardi was a participant in the well known and studied Francesco Piantelli
            experiments.
            From 1988 to 1990, Sergio Focardi was president of the Coordination Committee of Italian Scientific Associations also known as COASSI. From 1980 to 1989, he was dean of the faculty of mathematical, physical and natural sciences. Also, from 1992 to 2000, he was chairman of the Board of Bachelor of Information Sciences in Cesena. It was this capacity that he founded the course of Information Science in Bologna and Cesena as well as Environmental Sciences in Ravenna.
            Sergio Focardi is an Italian physicist, and presently an emeritus professor at the University of Bologna. He also led the office of Bologna of Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare. His field of expertise is working on cold fusion with Nickel-Hydrogen reactors.

            To hear him speak positively about the ecat click on the link below.
            He does not speak english, so this video although puts a face to his endorsements is a bit tedious if you do not speak Italian. Translation is provided.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmWbV…eature=related

            He has been involved with Nickel/hydrogen cold fusion research since 1989. THAT is 22 years ago…

            So this was not an overnight invention.
            ————————————————————————–
            Giuseppe Levi – Nuclear and Supernuclear Physics Professor at the University of Bologna.

            He can be viewed speaking for an entire hour starting on the youtube link below. In English..
            http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/08/gu…-of-the-e-cat/

            Levi is one of the scientists who has had the opportunity to run tests on the device, and was involved in the press conference on January 14th, and is a member of the American SKEPTICS Society.

            He suggested it is insulting that colleagues do not accept their verifications.

            ————————————————————————-

            Sven kullander – Also has tested and has lent support backing the stance of The University of Uppsala. Some of his qualifications and merits I have listed here.

            Awards
            Björkens prize for year 2000
            Membership in Societies and Academies
            Swedish Physical SocietyEuropean Physical Society
            Finnish Society of Sciences and Letters
            Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
            Royal Academy of Arts and Sciences in Uppsala
            Royal Society of Sciences
            Committee Memberships
            Nuclear Physics Research Committee, CERN, 1968 – 1969
            Swiss Institute for Nuclear Research, 1968 – 1970
            Swedish Atomic Research Council, 1975 – 1977
            Committee for Physics Experiments at the CERN Proton Synchrotron, 1977 – 1979
            Swedish Natural Science Research Council, 1977 – 1983
            CERN Council, 1980 – 1983
            CERN Research Board, 1982 – 1984
            Board of the Faculty of Mathematics and Natural Sciences, Uppsala, 1984 – 1993
            Scientific Council of the Cooler Ring COSY project, Jülich, Germany, 1989 – 1992
            Programme Advisory Committee, COSY, Jülich, 1994 –
            Scientific Policy Committee, Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics, Heidelberg, 1991-
            Swedish CERN Committee, 1977 – 1995
            Asea Brown Boveri Energy Prize Award committee, 1990 – 1997
            Board of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, 1998 -present

            Sven Kullander has also come forward in favour of the ecat, and is preparing to deliver a lecture later this month on Low Energy Nuclear reactions.


            Sven Kullander, professor of high energy physics at Uppsala University and chairman of Sweden’s Royal Academy of Sciences Energy Committee will be giving a public lecture entitled “Tomorrow’s Nuclear Power — Will it be Cold or Hot?” at Orebro University in Sweden on November 23rd at 16:30 in lecture hall T in Tech House. This lecture is free.

            PART OF WHAT THE PAMPHLET READS ON THE INVITATION TO THIS LECTURE IS THE FOLLOWING………….
            PLEASE READ THIS BIT.
            Cold fusion has been developed recently in Bologna can be housed in an apparatus which is not much bigger than a coffee maker and generating energy only with a few teaspoons of nickel powder.? An intensive discussion on the net have questioned the experiment in Bologna mainly because it can not be explained by the established nuclear physics theory. It has also been speculated that the derivative produced heat energy must have been greatly overestimated mainly by an overestimation of the buildup of steam. At the lecture, these issues will be treated in order to gain a better understanding of the experiment in Bologna.

            Okay…

            So far we know that

            – NASA believes in the technology and has been conducting nickel/Hydrogen cold fusion experiments for the past three to four years.

            For people doubting NASA has been involved in this, look at this NASA webpage.
            http://open.nasa.gov/appschallenge/i…oftware-model/
            Please note that is not a pro Rossi website, but NASA.

            – The University of Bologna has lent its name to support the ecat.

            – The University of Uppsala has lent its name to support the ecat.

            – We have at least three competing bodies trying to get “ecats” to market. Piantelli, Nasa, and Rossi.

            – Dennis Bushnell the Chief research Scientist at NASA Research Center in Langley not only believes in the ecat, but has been working on such a device himself for the past three to four years.

            – Professor Sergio Focardi has witnessed Piantellis results, and Rossi’s results, and has come out saying the ecat is a real thing with nuclear reactions taking place.

            – Professor Sven Kullander has witnessed the ecat in operation and has come out heavily in support of the ecat. It would be fun to hear his lecture later this month.

            – Professor Giuseppe Levi is a Nuclear and supernuclear physicist at the University of Bologna and a member of The American Skeptics Society. He has witness the ecat in operation many times, and speaks very highly of it. Kri interviewed him, and the 1 hour video link to his speaking of it is very convincing.

            There are many more names of Professors and scholars who have witnessed this device and are standing behind it, but you should get the idea that this is supported by academics.

            The idea that Rossi has spent the past few years sponsoring himself for a scam seems ridiculous, and I cannot believe how many people do not seem to see how ridiculous a scam scenario is. It’s common sense.

            Anyways. I have read and heard a lot more that what I have wrote and linked here, but I think I give a compelling argument for the ecats merits.”


            So if I am a skeptic.. We all are skeptics.. What crud..

          • Kwhilborn

            I think most people who are Engineers (like myself) consider themselves scientists in that our education is a lot better than average. I also believe that the Ecat is real based on common sense gleened from reading materials and dialogues.

            I do not think the “average” scientist is even aware of CF because it is suppressed. CF caused a lot of embarrassment to thousands who endorsed it and believed in it. It is understandable that many of them feel they have been down that road already.

            I do not think anybody in University studying any Major would have an IQ equal to water, and that is perhaps the stupidest thing I have ever read in these comments.

            Perhaps Flinging poo is your idea of “debate”, but it seems more the behavior of a monkey. Try growing up before using big words in future.

          • thomas kuhn explain the reason why educated scientist (or professionals) can be crazily denying facts.

            http://www.uky.edu/~eushe2/Pajares/Kuhn.html

            The training of scientist is done by massive brainwashing to make them productive inside the current paradigm by not looking beside it.

            It is the opposite of stupidity, it is training, over training.
            all intelligence of an academic is working to deniy anomalies and go back to the current paradigm.

            part of their IQ is used to rationalize anomalies, and other part to be blind to anomalies.

            Engineers, like non physicist are not more intelligent, but not locked in the same paradigm. engineer have a paradigm, but this paradigm probably make them locked into believing measurements and not trusting theories or models.
            my education, between micro electronics, QM, IT, software engineering, project management, finance modelization, numerical modeling make me aware of :
            – difficulties to replicate in real science
            – role of blackswan in innovation
            – role of impurities an lattice in physics
            – danger of modelisation and theories
            – groupthink in organization and markets, rewriting of history

            cold fusion is not challenging my paradigm, rather well understood under it.
            – groupthink
            – lattice and doping effects
            – blackswan
            – pathologies of theory and models
            – unpunished frauds

  • Does anyone know if the Hot-Cat tested had a Mouse attached to it. You may remember that Rossi used a smaller reactor to heat up a bigger reactor in a newer Hot-Cat design. That might alter the COP. If anyone can ask Rossi, please do.

    • Frank Acland

      I believe someone has asked Rossi about this, and he said yes — cat and mouse configuration is being used.

      • Thanks. That makes the results potentially more interesting.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          Agreed. Copy should be way up compared to the previous test then…

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            That has to COP obviously…

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Even with copious energy a cop could be good or bad…

          • US_Citizen71

            No more good cop bad cop, I want a stable energetic cop… ; – )

          • bachcole

            You made my hour, Citizen.

          • winebuff

            The cop magic number is 10 for industry use. Correct?

          • Frank Acland

            I don’t think that’s necessarily so. Mike McKubre said that in an interview, but I think there are plenty of industrial processes where a stable COP lower than 10 would be fine, especially when you start talking about cogeneration processes where ‘waste heat’ isn’t wasted but put to good uses.

          • Quiet Wine Guy

            It is also dependent upon the regional cost of natural gas. So, in places like Japan, the required economic COP is lower than say in the US.

    • bfast

      Actually, if I understand correctly, the mouse is physically much bigger than the cat. Oh the irony. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Its hard to read the tea leaves with so little data.

      • bachcole

        bfast stands for Bruce Fast, our beloved and always insightful commenter and blogger from north of the Arctic Circle. (:->)

      • Omega Z

        bfast

        Seems right. And Rossi said the Mouse was not inside the cat.
        Maybe the Cat is inside the mouse.
        As in what we think iof as the cat is the mouse. The Cat being a smaller tube in the center. Just remembering the Hot-Cat with the plugs in the end of that inner tube in the photos.

        Never can be certain: I have followed long enough & read things stated by those around Rossi to know that Rossi himself sometimes posts misinformation(FUD) to confuse his competition. 🙂

    • Omega Z

      I’m not absolutely positive, But it seems Rossi did indicate this test was being done with the Mouse/Cat.

      • artefact

        I’m very sure it is Mouse/Cat.

  • Sanjeev

    As Mr Moho points out below, not only the test, but the report itself is completed. I do not know if this is what Passerini meant or its some translation error. If true, it means we will get our hands on it very soon.
    Perhaps Mats was hinting towards this, when he said things are happening at this time.

  • jousterusa

    Thanks for publishing this, Frank. Like everyone else, I’ve been yearning crazily for news of the tests. Thank God that it looks good!

  • jousterusa

    Thanks for publishing this, Frank. Like everyone else, I’ve been yearning crazily for news of the tests. Thank God that it looks good!

  • jousterusa

    I hope some of you have read my own book, “Power,” which Rossi also praised… It is available (free) by scrolling down on american-reporter.com…

    • dickyaesta

      So sorry, the follow-up link from power (american reporter page) doesn’t work for me!

  • jousterusa

    I hope some of you have read my own book, “Power,” which Rossi also praised… It is available (free) by scrolling down on american-reporter.com…

    • bachcole

      The [More] button did not work for me.

    • dickyaesta

      So sorry, the follow-up link from power (american reporter page) doesn’t work for me!

  • Sandy

    The G20 Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors will meet on April 10 and 11 in Washington, D.C. They may at that meeting decide to reset the world currency system by, among several other measures, announcing a 30 percent devaluation of the U.S. dollar against other currencies and/or against gold. Such an announcement would be the perfect time for the United States to announce that LENR power systems will make the U.S. energy independent (no longer dependent on OPEC’s oil) and therefore able to pay its debts to the rest of the world.

    • morse

      The US is already energy independent, they don’t need E cat technolgy because it will cost them a lot !

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-12/u-s-nears-energy-independence-by-2035-on-shale-boom-iea-says.html

      • bachcole

        (1) Top producer does not mean that we will be independent. If we use more than we produce, then we are not independent. I am very happy to see that we will be the top producer. That will allow us the power to switch. Thank you for pointing that out.

        (2) Each independent “producer”, like PG&E, Colorado Springs Utilities, Consolidated Edison, will be looking at their bottom line and making decisions based upon that. The United States of America won’t be doing that. If PG&E can save money and increase profits, they will do it. By the time that the USA as a corporate entity discovers that they are in the black with regard to energy, Southern California Edison will already have switched to LENR. It is individual businesses that are making the profit/lose decisions, not the USA as a whole.

      • Broncobet

        The US is close to energy independence,we are still a net importer of oil,if a devise such as an e-cat could work at all it would be a benefit to us as well as others.

    • orsobubu

      “Decide to reset the world currency system by, among several other
      measures, announcing a 30 percent devaluation of the U.S. dollar against
      other currencies and/or against gold” This would be an astonishing news, to be remebered in history books. Where did you get it?

      As usual, I like to point out that the problem is that sometimes energy is TOO cheap already now (for capitalism’s profit needs), not the contrary, and the situation will worsen in the future.

    • Broncobet

      It’s April 18,2014 30% devaluation don’t be rediculous.

  • georgehants

    Mr. Rossi has replied as below, There is not, I think, the slightest doubt in this reply that the hot-cats are functioning as desired.
    ——-
    Andrea Rossi
    April 3rd, 2014 at 10:28 PM
    Koen Vandewalle:
    We have started to think about the integration of the E-Cats with jet
    engines, but we are at a very early stage of R&D. The temperatures
    reached by the Hot Cats and their energy density make it worth to study,
    but it is too early to talk of details. As you correctly wrote, we are
    at the beginning of a theoretical stage.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • georgehants

    Mr. Rossi has replied as below, it would seem that the hot-cats are functioning as desired
    ——-
    Andrea Rossi
    April 3rd, 2014 at 10:28 PM
    Koen Vandewalle:
    We have started to think about the integration of the E-Cats with jet
    engines, but we are at a very early stage of R&D. The temperatures
    reached by the Hot Cats and their energy density make it worth to study,
    but it is too early to talk of details. As you correctly wrote, we are
    at the beginning of a theoretical stage.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Paul Smith

    Andrea Rossi
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:27 AM
    To the Readers:
    I have been informed that around some blogs there are “rumors”, “whispers”, “innuendos”, “voices” et similia about the results of the long term experiment made by the Third Indipendent Party. I can guarantee that these noises are just certified stupidities. I myself do not know what is in the data collected by the Professors, and they did not give me a bit of such data. They have retrieved the hard disks to avoid any possible manipulation and demanded that everybody who attended the test had to sign a very strict NDA about the fact that no bit of information can be given to anybody before the publication of the report. Such report will be made indipendently from the results, which could be positive or negative. As a consequence of this, any noise made by “rumors, whispers, voices” and acustics of various kind, coming from “Italian” or whatsoever source,are nothing but useless air displacement operated by idle tongues.
    The results will be given first to me 3 days before the publication to give us the time to organize a defense in case of negative output, then they will be published so that everybody interested will have them.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • artefact

    “Andrea Rossi
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:27 AM

    To the Readers:
    I have been informed that around some blogs there are “rumors”,
    “whispers”, “innuendos”, “voices” et similia about the results of the
    long term experiment made by the Third Indipendent Party. I can
    guarantee that these noises are just certified stupidities. I myself do
    not know what is in the data collected by the Professors, and they did
    not give me a bit of such data. They have retrieved the hard disks to
    avoid any possible manipulation and demanded that everybody who attended
    the test had to sign a very strict NDA about the fact that no bit of
    information can be given to anybody before the publication of the
    report. Such report will be made indipendently from the results, which
    could be positive or negative. As a consequence of this, any noise made
    by “rumors, whispers, voices” and acustics of various kind, coming from
    “Italian” or whatsoever source,are nothing but useless air displacement
    operated by idle tongues.

    The results will be given first to me 3 days before the publication to
    give us the time to organize a defense in case of negative output, then
    they will be published so that everybody interested will have them.

    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    • Fortyniner

      So at least it is confirmed that the tests are officially completed.

      We should remember that these tests (whether the results are positive or negative as Rossi constantly reminds us!) have been on what must by now be relatively old technology, and his comment posted by Georgehants below indicates that things may have moved on significantly since.

      • Omega Z

        Peter
        Read Rossi’s post closely that (artefact) posted here again.

        “They have retrieved the hard disks…..”
        Maybe I read to much into it, BUT, It sounds as if the tests just concluded if their gathering stuff up like the Hard Drives, Etc..

        Note: If Memory serves me right,(Sometimes it doesn’t :-() I think I recall Rossi indicating that this test involved the Cat/Mouse configuration. Also that instead of activation time- 1 on 2 off, he had achieved 1 on 3 off.

        This provides 10Kw heat during 1 hour of operation, Output isn’t interrupted during the activation of the mouse. It Is continuous output.

        The mouse is on 1/4 of that hour at 1Kw. Or 250 watts averaged over an hour. I know the mouse is/was COP-1.1. I rounded up.
        1 hour requires 250w in & output is 10Kw. Do the math indicates COP=40.
        Of course COP-40 wouldn’t be obtained when figuring in the start-up period of several hours, but a snap shot of just a single hour would have this capability.

        As you realize, I’m just speculating here. We don’t know what configuration Rossi gave them to test or if it’s 1/2 or 1/3 Activation periods or if he made other improvements before handing it off to the testers.
        Also, Some would give the last version they finished, Not the latest version.

        Just Trying to be Optimistic. That Rossi’s could be positive or negative answers is setting us up for a Big Surprise. COP>35. 🙂

        • Omega Z

          Discussing whether there will be a Press Conference.
          I Hope SO.

          But if IH/Rossi don’t have a Press Conference, I would think sometime in the Near Future, Elforsk would have some kind of press release at the very least.

          They Have over a Quarter Million Dollar$ to answer for.

          • Mr. Moho

            I think there will be one, but not as soon as the report will get released. They will probably let the media discuss about it for a while.

          • Omega Z

            Actually, Many of the MSM did a story about Rossi & the E-cat several years ago. MSN, CNN, FOX, & many others.
            What they have to do is allow them time to dig up the old story & clean them up. For their lead into the updated story…

            They’ll start out with, You may recall a few short years ago we reported about(And of course most wont remember it) an amazing technology developed by Mr. Rossi called the E-cat yada yada yada—

            Now the reason they need to clean them up is this. They all did it with a smirk & a smile implying, Yeah when pigs fly! I am a witness.

          • Ryan H

            Rossi sometimes has difficulty communicating in clear english, so sometimes a little speculation has to be made of his actual meaning…

            I would surmise that he is dismissing the rumor-spreaders, not the content of the rumors themselves. It would seem that Rossi believes the people creating and spreading the rumors don’t have the real data, and so are not reliable sources. The rumors may end up being true, but at this point they are unsubstantiated.

        • Fortyniner

          I think you may be right – I would expect a ‘step change’ up from the original (Levi-tested) e-cat, at least in the order of COP=10 overall, and maybe as high as you are projecting. In the 8 months or more since the devices were put into the test regime there have been 16-20 people working on development, plus whatever further inspirations AR has been able to contribute, and even the denizens of this blog may be surprised by what could be in development at the moment.

          • georgehants

            Peter, you are being unusually optimistic, careful you may put the jinx on things, Ha.

          • Fortyniner

            A momentary lapse, George. I’ll try to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

      • Omega Z

        You Know, A lot has transpired over the last several years,

        But,,, I seem to recall Rossi Emphatically Protesting another Leak just as Vigorously as he is about this.
        Only to find a few days latter that it was in fact “True”.
        I don’t recall exactly what it was, Possibly something leaked by Cures.
        Maybe someone here can refresh my memory.

        • ecatworld

          He seemed very upset when Daniele Passerini posted the photo of the hot cat in meltdown mode. Not so upset about the first photo of the operating hot cat leaked by Cures.

          • Billy Jackson

            i think part of it is he gets annoyed at people setting the tone of his releases before he even gets to speak about them. this is his baby.. as such he’s emotionally involved and wants to see it presented correctly.

            Lets not forget that this technology has the potential to be highly disruptive. as such swaying public opinion is very important regardless of what camp your in on your belief.

          • Omega Z

            Thanks Frank for the refresh.
            I think that’s the 1 I remember because it had an implied link to the 3rd party test.

  • artefact

    “Andrea Rossi
    April 4th, 2014 at 12:27 AM

    To the Readers:
    I have been informed that around some blogs there are “rumors”,
    “whispers”, “innuendos”, “voices” et similia about the results of the
    long term experiment made by the Third Indipendent Party. I can
    guarantee that these noises are just certified stupidities. I myself do
    not know what is in the data collected by the Professors, and they did
    not give me a bit of such data. They have retrieved the hard disks to
    avoid any possible manipulation and demanded that everybody who attended
    the test had to sign a very strict NDA about the fact that no bit of
    information can be given to anybody before the publication of the
    report. Such report will be made indipendently from the results, which
    could be positive or negative. As a consequence of this, any noise made
    by “rumors, whispers, voices” and acustics of various kind, coming from
    “Italian” or whatsoever source,are nothing but useless air displacement
    operated by idle tongues.

    The results will be given first to me 3 days before the publication to
    give us the time to organize a defense in case of negative output, then
    they will be published so that everybody interested will have them.

    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    • bachcole

      Someone is in deep yogurt.

      • Omega Z

        yogurt LOL
        That’s not how I spell it. 🙂

      • Barbierir

        maryyugort?

    • Barbierir

      the usual misunderstanding with Rossi, anyway he seems to confirm that the test have ended and the professors have the data

    • We should remember that these tests (whether the results are positive or negative as Rossi constantly reminds us!) have been on what must by now be relatively old technology, and his comment posted by Georgehants below indicates that R&D may have moved on significantly since.

      • Omega Z

        Peter
        Read Rossi’s post closely that (artefact) posted here again.

        “They have retrieved the hard disks…..”
        Maybe I read to much into it, BUT, It sounds as if the tests just concluded if their gathering stuff up like the Hard Drives, Etc..

        Note: If Memory serves me right,(Sometimes it doesn’t :-() I think I recall Rossi indicating that this test involved the Cat/Mouse configuration. Also that instead of activation time- 1 on 2 off, he had achieved 1 on 3 off.

        This provides 10Kw heat during 1 hour of operation, Output isn’t interrupted during the activation of the mouse. It Is continuous output.

        The mouse is on 1/4 of that hour at 1Kw. Or 250 watts averaged over an hour. I know the mouse is/was COP-1.1. I rounded up.
        1 hour requires 250w in & output is 10Kw. Do the math indicates COP=40.
        Of course COP-40 wouldn’t be obtained when figuring in the start-up period of several hours, but a snap shot of just a single hour would have this capability.

        As you realize, I’m just speculating here. We don’t know what configuration Rossi gave them to test or if it’s 1/2 or 1/3 Activation periods or if he made other improvements before handing it off to the testers.
        Also, Some would give the last version they finished, Not the latest version.

        Just Trying to be Optimistic. That Rossi’s could be positive or negative answers is setting us up for a Big Surprise. COP>35. 🙂

        • I think you may be right – I would expect a ‘step change’ up from the original (Levi-tested) e-cat, at least in the order of COP=10 overall, and maybe as high as you are projecting. In the 8 months or more since the devices were put into the test regime there have been 16-20 people working on development, plus whatever further inspirations AR has been able to contribute during this period, and even the denizens of this blog may be surprised by what could be in development at the moment.

          • georgehants

            Peter, you are being unusually optimistic, careful you may put the jinx on things, Ha.

          • A momentary lapse, George. I’ll try to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

    • MMK

      No matter how strict the NDA, it will leak. Its human nature and there were a large number of them, doing the test. Rossi is saying “thats not from us”.

  • Arnie

    Rossi says the hard disks from the computers have been retrieved. I presume the computers during the test are running 24/7, so then this must mean that the testing is finished?
    ( and that the report is being written now.)

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Passerini is usually well informed; hopefully his “new sources” are as reliable. I think, by the way, that the exclusion of Bologna doesn’t indicate that Levi is not involved this time. Presumably Passerini just wanted to stress the fact that he is not responsible for the leak.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Passerini is usually well informed; hopefully his “new sources” are as reliable. I think, by the way, that the exclusion of Bologna doesn’t indicate that Levi is not involved this time. Presumably Passerini just wanted to stress the fact that he is not responsible for the leak.

  • MK

    Please note that Rossi commented …..that everybody who attended….
    and NOT….. that everybody who attends….. Clearly past tense, so test is finished 🙂

  • Mr. Moho

    Let’s overanalize Rossi’s latest update on JONP:

    I have been informed that around some blogs there are “rumors”, “whispers”, “innuendos”, “voices” et similia about the results of the long term experiment made by the Third Indipendent Party.

    Double quotes indeed!

    I can guarantee that these noises are just certified stupidities.

    How can he? Why is he so sure of that?

    I myself do not know what is in the data collected by the Professors, and they did not give me a bit of such data.

    If that’s the case, he cannot know whether the “rumors” are true or not.

    They have retrieved the hard disks to avoid any possible manipulation

    So the testers packed away and brought the data with them. Tests have ended. Good to know! Wasn’t he not supposed to know, anyway?

    and demanded that everybody who attended the test had to sign a very strict NDA about the fact that no bit of information can be given to anybody before the publication of the report.

    But Rossi just did. Did everybody actually sign that NDA anyway?

    Such report will be made indipendently from the results, which could be positive or negative. As a consequence of this, any noise made by “rumors, whispers, voices” and acustics of various kind, coming from “Italian” or whatsoever source,are nothing but useless air displacement operated by idle tongues.

    Translation: “The report will be published no matter the results. Therefore rumors about it are useless”. I can’t quite follow his logic here.

    The results will be given first to me 3 days before the publication to give us the time to organize a defense in case of negative output, then they will be published so that everybody interested will have them.

    So, in case of positive output as “rumored”, Rossi would have no need anymore to receive the report in advance to “organize a defense”. It could get published somewhere anytime.

  • Omega Z

    Discussing whether there will be a Press Conference.
    I Hope SO.

    But if IH/Rossi don’t have a Press Conference, I would think sometime in the Near Future, Elforsk would have some kind of press release at the very least.

    They Have over a Quarter Million Dollar$ to answer for.

  • AB

    Rossi is emphasizing that the report is independent by saying that it will be published no matter what the results are. In the context of the 2013 report which was criticized for not being as independent as it could have been, this is unsurprising.

    We know have conflicting statements by Passerini and Rossi. What is one to make of that? I don’t believe Passerini is lying as he has been correct several times in the past and has a known connection to Levi. So why is Rossi trying to deny the rumors? Possibly because he doesn’t know the exact results yet, and prefers to tread carefully.

    • Christopher Calder

      I think Rossi wants to make sure everyone knows that the leak did not come from him.

      • ecatworld

        Good point — Daniele did mention an Italian souce — I wonder how many Italians are on the team?

      • winebuff

        High probability! +1

  • AB

    Rossi is emphasizing that the report is independent by saying that it will be published no matter what the results are. In the context of the 2013 report which was criticized for not being as independent as it could have been, this is unsurprising.

    We know have conflicting statements by Passerini and Rossi. What is one to make of that? I don’t believe Passerini is lying as he has been correct several times in the past and has a known connection to Levi. So why is Rossi trying to deny the rumors? Possibly because he doesn’t know the exact results yet, and prefers to tread carefully.

    • I think Rossi wants to make sure everyone knows that the leak did not come from him.

      • Frank Acland

        Good point — Daniele did mention an Italian souce — I wonder how many Italians are on the team?

      • winebuff

        High probability! +1

  • Omega Z

    You Know, A lot has transpired over the last several years,

    But,,, I seem to recall Rossi Emphatically Protesting another Leak just as Vigorously as he is about this.
    Only to find a few days latter that it was in fact “True”.
    I don’t recall exactly what it was, Possibly something leaked by Cures.
    Maybe someone here can refresh my memory.

    • Paul Smith

      Yes it was the first known photo of Hot-Cat, leaked by Cures

    • Frank Acland

      He seemed very upset when Daniele Passerini posted the photo of the hot cat in meltdown mode. Not so upset about the first photo of the operating hot cat leaked by Cures.

      • Billy Jackson

        i think part of it is he gets annoyed at people setting the tone of his releases before he even gets to speak about them. this is his baby.. as such he’s emotionally involved and wants to see it presented correctly.

        Lets not forget that this technology has the potential to be highly disruptive. as such swaying public opinion is very important regardless of what camp your in on your belief.

      • Omega Z

        Thanks Frank for the refresh.
        I think that’s the 1 I remember because it had an implied link to the 3rd party test.

  • morse

    The US is already energy independent, they don’t need E cat technolgy because it will cost them a lot !

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-12/u-s-nears-energy-independence-by-2035-on-shale-boom-iea-says.html

  • Billy Jackson

    i think we will hear from assistants, or friends of assistants co-workers, those on the fringes.. it should all be taken with a grain of salt till we get the actual report. remember rumor has a tendency to twist and embellish with abandon depending on who’s telling the story..

  • FibberMcGourlick

    If Mr. Rossi knows nothing about what is going on with the test, how can he guarantee that the rumors of success are false?

    • Ryan H

      Rossi sometimes has difficulty communicating in clear english, so sometimes a little speculation has to be made of his actual meaning…

      I would surmise that he is dismissing the rumor-spreaders, not the content of the rumors themselves. It would seem that Rossi believes the people creating and spreading the rumors don’t have the real data, and so are not reliable sources. The rumors may end up being true, but at this point they are unsubstantiated.

    • mcloki

      Because his NDA says he cannot say the opposite before the report comes out. Legal implications.

  • Gerrit

    I like where this is going.

  • Gerrit

    I like where this is going.

  • Paul

    Rossi ignores that in the academic world – and testers come from Universities according to Rossi says – is not a so close environment to fully respect a NDA. I mean they would do not provide data, obviouslym, but if the results are remarkable they would let know privately to colleagues and the news would spread among many people… If he does not want any leaks, should not work with Academics! This is my opinion knowing very well such world.

  • mcloki

    Because his NDA says he cannot say the opposite before the report comes out. Legal implications.

  • Paul

    Rossi ignores that in the academic world – and testers come from Universities according to Rossi says – is not a so close environment to fully respect a NDA. I mean they would do not provide data, obviouslym, but if the results are remarkable they would let know privately to colleagues and the news would spread among many people… If he does not want any leaks, should not work with Academics! This is my opinion knowing very well such world.

    • bachcole

      Excellent point, Paul. In fact, may academics in the USA look down their noses at business people and might very well feel contempt for business and NDAs. Look at the history of the development of the atomic bomb. The FBI had a hell of a time corralling those eggheads into some kind of secrecy. [I happen to be an egghead, along with most of the people in this forum. (:->) ]

      • Obvious

        I think it may have been the FBI that came up with the saying “you can’t bake a cake without breaking a few eggheads”.

      • GreenWin

        Does the term “egghead” reflect the state of one’s follicle accumulation? Or does it refer to characters that become hard boiled after five minutes?

  • Pietro F.
    • Brokeeper

      Thanks Pietro. Very insightful on Cherokee/Rossi’s patent and marketing strategies.

  • parallelB

    This may be a better translation, using an alternative Google word and rearranging them.

    “The sources that I used to draw are now depleted, new sources (Italian, but not Bolognese ) tell me that the report is completed and the certified performance of Rossi’s cat is remarkable!”

    Despite what Andra Rossi wrote, as others have commented, it is difficult to keep something like this secret.

    The bad news is that Rossi’s latest comment is that the test is still not complete.

    • Barbierir

      Rossi’s comment seems to confirm that the test IS completed

      edit: sorry you meant Rossi’s last post in his blog, so either 1) Daniele’s sources are wrong or 2) Rossi isn’t informed or 3) it’s a Rossi’s decepion

      • Mr. Moho

        In later comments Passerini stated again that the long term E-Cat test did indeed finish and that Rossi is for all intents and purposes playing dumb. I’m still not sure whether the report is completed too or not, but the wording used in his original comment in reply to AlainCo definitely hinted so.

        • Obvious

          Rossi said today:

          “let’s first see if the Third Indipendent Party work ( which is still in course,
          and is not finished yet) finds an effect, eventually we will go in the possible
          details.

          • Mr. Moho

            “Work” might be referring to anything in the process, not just the actual test.

          • Obvious

            And just a short while ago from Rossi:

            “The test of the Third Indipendent Party is not yet finished and I do not know when it will finish.”

            April 4th, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    • US_Citizen71

      The run may not be completed but the intensive data collection might be, making them both correct from certain points of view. If the ECat had enough fuel to run for longer than the six months of the scheduled test, they might let it run until it is out of fuel and reduce their presence down to just a single individual, whose job it is to insure integrity of the run down and check on the ECat daily to make sure it is still outputting heat.

      Just by the nature of the beast, the data collection on this test would be similar to testing a lightbulb, a heater or any other device that outputs a constant energy emission. Meaning once the device is up and running the measurements mostly consist of ‘Yep it is still putting out x energy units per time unit’ until the device runs out of fuel, reaches end of life or the study period ends. So after say three months of a six month test you could begin writing a rough draft of your report and only have to insert the final totals and tallies into it when the data collection is finished. The testers are likely filling in those totals while they wait for the ECat to run out of fuel.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        If they want to find out the ash, after running it and letting it cool they should open it and measure the contents, exciting phase which takes attention and some time.

        • US_Citizen71

          If it is a black box test they may not be allowed to examine the ash as it is proprietary. If the testers have made certain through their protocols that all the energy is coming from inside the ECat then the ash is only a scientific curiosity. After all 43 MWh (10 kW continuous for 180 days) of energy being produced from a device with a volume of about 1.5 liters (guess based on previous test) should be news enough.

          • US_Citizen71

            For comparison:
            1 liter of Diesel = 10.7 kWh/L
            above hypothetical Ecat = 28 MWh/L (after removing 1 MWh for the electrical input)

          • artefact

            And if you calculate it for the few grams of fuel in the e-cat it gets even much higher.

  • AdrianAshfield

    This may be a better translation, using an alternative Google word and rearranging them.

    “The sources that I used to draw are now depleted, new sources (Italian, but not Bolognese ) tell me that the report is completed and the certified performance of Rossi’s cat is remarkable!”

    Despite what Andra Rossi wrote, as others have commented, it is difficult to keep something like this secret.

    The bad news is that Rossi’s latest comment is that the test is still not complete.

    • Barbierir

      Rossi’s comment seems to confirm that the test IS completed

      edit: sorry you meant Rossi’s last post in his blog, so either 1) Daniele’s sources are wrong or 2) Rossi isn’t informed or 3) it’s a Rossi’s decepion

    • US_Citizen71

      The run may not be completed but the intensive data collection might be, making them both correct from certain points of view. If the ECat had enough fuel to run for longer than the six months of the scheduled test, they might let it run until it is out of fuel and reduce their presence down to just a single individual, whose job it is to insure integrity of the run down and check on the ECat daily to make sure it is still outputting heat.

      Just by the nature of the beast, the data collection on this test would be similar to testing a lightbulb, a heater or any other device that outputs a constant energy emission. Meaning once the device is up and running the measurements mostly consist of ‘Yep it is still putting out x energy units per time unit’ until the device runs out of fuel, reaches end of life or the study period ends. So after say three months of a six month test you could begin writing a rough draft of your report and only have to insert the final totals and tallies into it when the data collection is finished. The testers are likely filling in those totals while they wait for the ECat to run out of fuel.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        If they want to find out the ash, after running it and letting it cool they should open it and measure the contents, exciting phase which takes attention and some time.

        • US_Citizen71

          If it is a black box test they may not be allowed to examine the ash as it is proprietary. If the testers have made certain through their protocols that all the energy is coming from inside the ECat then the ash is only a scientific curiosity. After all 43 MWh (10 kW continuous for 180 days) of energy being produced from a device with a volume of about 1.5 liters (guess based on previous test) should be news enough.

          • US_Citizen71

            For comparison:
            Diesel = 10.7 kWh/L
            above hypothetical Ecat = 28 MWh/L (after removing 1 MWh for the electrical input)

          • artefact

            And if you calculate it for the few grams of fuel in the e-cat it gets even much higher.

  • GreenWin

    A new validation of “The Rossi Effect” will set off the well-planned, usual skeptofest denouncing the qualities of professors, procedures, publishing etc. Mainstream science hates to be questioned:

    “When a man of the profound scientific wisdom of Simon Newcomb (for
    example) had demonstrated with unassailable logic why man couldn’t fly,
    why should the public be fooled by silly stories about two obscure
    bicycle repairmen who hadn’t even been to college. Professor Newcomb was
    so distinguished an astronomer that he was the only American since
    Benjamin Franklin to be made an associate of the Institute of France. It
    was widely assumed that what he didn’t know about the laws of physics
    simply wasn’t in books. And that when he said that flying couldn’t be
    done, there was no need to inquire any further.”
    THE WRIGHT BROTHERS, by Fred C. Kelly

    • georgehants

      It is just fascinating that the average scientist does not seem to have any common sense, after so many examples of “expert opinion” being proved as just another comic act of the century in science, they still sit around worshipping their premier comics and establishment declarations, of for example, Cold Fusion is bollocks.
      The average scientist seems to have an I.Q. slightly less then a glass of cold water.
      Perhaps a few scientists on page would like to debate this point with me.
      I don’t think so, they will be hiding on their own comedy blog sites where the only words they know are “crackpot” etc.
      Always excepting the few “good” scientists of course.

      • Obvious

        If common sense was actually common, this would be a very different world we live in.

        • georgehants

          Obvious, your reply is obtuse please try and make some sense of it.
          Do you you mean a better or worse World.

          • Obvious

            Better.

          • georgehants

            Now you have to consider joining the spiritual community that is willing to give a chance to the Quantum knowledge that out thinking can effect our reality.

          • Obvious

            How is the knowledge Quantum? I thought knowledge was more Bremsstrahlung-like.

          • georgehants

            Obvious, you must move away from any type of thinking that try’s to explain in simple terms our reality.
            The Quantum does not allow this.
            One must just follow the Research and without any kind of foolishness of being taken in, learn.
            http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

          • Obvious

            Now that’s obtuse.

          • georgehants

            Obvious, it is not for me to in any way influence your interpretation, you have the same freedom of thought of every individual on this planet.
            You make your choice, but don’t blame somebody else for your choice.

          • Obvious

            I can blame the racket of 7 billion noisy brains with interfering with my thoughts if want to. All that noisy thinking is probably the cause of reverse entropy in the nano sphere experiment… if no one was thinking near the experiment, it probably wouldn’t happen at all… The wave of “I’m hungry” refrains of those brains travelling around the globe is enough to make me put on a tin foil hat. It is both sad and annoying. But the “wake up and scratch bum” thought wave going around the Earth more or less synchronized with sunrise is Really annoying… Humans better clean up their thoughts before collective thinking starts happening.

          • bachcole

            I am so glad that I am not alone in being the only target of Obvious’ biting wit. (:->)

          • Obvious

            bachcole, you must have been let out of moderation delay purgatory!
            Anyways, to George, I meant your post, not the link, was obtuse originally.

          • Obvious

            From wikedpedia regarding Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy:

            The Belcerebons of Kakrafoon Kappa had an unhappy time. Once a serene and quiet civilization, a Galactic Tribunal sentenced them to telepathy because the rest of the galaxy found peaceful contemplation contemptuous. Ford Prefect compared them to Humans because the only way Belcerebons could stop transmitting their every thought was to mask their brain activity (or its readability) by talking endlessly about utter trivia. The other approach to dampening telepathic communication was to host concerts of the plutonium rock band Disaster Area. Thankfully, during the concert, an improbability field flipped over the Rudlit Desert, transforming it into a paradise, and cured the Belcerebons of telepathy. A Disaster Area spokesman said that this was “a good gig”.

          • georgehants

            Obvious, once you move away from the restrictive classical World and look at the True reality then everything is obtuse. Ha.

          • georgehants

            Obvious, I am going to bed, thank you for our discussion, most enjoyable.
            There are so many Wonderful things out there that most people are not even remotely aware of.
            I look forward to another chat. 🙂

      • bachcole

        I dispute the use of the letters “I.Q.”. I would say “P.N.Q.”: Paradigm Nimbleness Quotient. I am pretty sure that most scientists could run circles around me when it came to doing differential equations. And that is the sort of thing that the I.Q. tests test. But looking and seeing outside of the box seems to be beyond them.

      • LilyLover

        Sometimes looking back 25 years, in the field of Science, I feel I never came across real Scientists. Yes, the PhDs, Professors, Deans or Post-Docs included. Common scenario: PhD Student: Which professor has funding? OK, Dear Prof, my area of interest is … me too! Feeding families or paying student debt takes precedence over Science. Then, these Scientific drones use the common sense to survive. Unless, free-willed research is funded (even at $15 per hour), nothing good can come out of “Science” – Industry. Today, MSM meme-based topics get approved for funding by the “Policy-Makers” for which “Professors” (to profess is to beg?) compete to win the award. To which the Scientific Workers conform. So, may be they base it too much on common sense. That’s why unlimited free education is important. Fraction of War/Welfare cost!
        Another thing – Objects / Non living entity cannot possess intelligence. Therefore IP rights should only belong to people from whom corporations can license annually. A scientist needs to be able to capitalize on the inventions and a corporation should never be. MBA in finance with army of lawyers siphons the fruits of inventors to the top of the corporations. Then all good scientists decide that their children should be lawyers or MBAs.
        Just like military, Patent office must be run as a totally free service to the society. All patent lawyers must be on public payroll. If not all the time, at least every alternate year to establish their free market worth. Ther should also be Language experts. The applicant, big or small, can only be known after the patent is adjudicated. Combination of anonymity, randomness and claim-language-sanitizers should lead to three patent lawyers preparing the case independently. Then, the claimant can pick a combination and send it to another lawyer for final application. Then, the WORK of the patent office is to help facilitate the granting of the patent and interactively help steer the patent to fruition all the while not knowing who the claimant is. To steer a meritorious patent to fruition is complete departure from present stance of default-denial.

        This is supposed to help in the transitory period so that frivolous claims cannot be granted to TheBig and important claims are not denied to individuals.
        This will cost less than a few thousand welfare-moms. Children of whom could in turn have a chance to employ ten times over in the following generation with equal right to IP protection. May be I’m rambling too much… but you get the point, right? So, no, it’s the society that has no common sense of protecting the individualized IP and disallowing “corporate IP”. Society loves to stay poor and coward. That’s why they let the grasshoppers have it all. In that context, the Scientific workers, simply conform to the Big Science and exhibit the common sense. I wanted them to exhibit – sense. The commons are anti-sense. Therefore I hope scientists never exhibit common sense. That’s what has led to the situation today. So, no more common sense. Just proper sense. & That’s why only the “mad” scientist will succeed as of now.

        🙂

      • GreenWin

        The lesson being taught by LENR is to remind the high and mighty that they are not so high or mighty after all. Regardless of how high and mighty one purports to be… there is ALWAYS someone higher. Ask Thutmoses III.

        And, what goes around will come around. So, be careful what you sew.

        • bachcole

          The same goes for everyone else. Whatever you think, say, and do, know that you are thinking, saying, and doing it to yourself.

      • guga

        Calling a whole group of people stupid is totally inappropriate, completely out of bounds. This is not a base for discussion.

        • georgehants

          guga, well I enjoyed reading your defence of the incompetence etc. in many areas of science.
          You have convinced me Ha.
          I think that is called a blanket denial, typical of the average scientist when faced with reality.
          You just forgot to call me a crackpot as described in the deniers scientific defence manual.

          • Kwhilborn

            I’m an avid believer in the Ecat. I am also a scientist. I can think of many terms I think suit you beneath “Crackpot” at this moment based on your blanket attack in your previous “crackpot” comment.

      • Kwhilborn

        I think most people who are Engineers (like myself) consider themselves scientists in that our education is a lot better than average. I also believe that the Ecat is real based on common sense gleened from reading materials and dialogues.

        I do not think the “average” scientist is even aware of CF because it is suppressed. CF caused a lot of embarrassment to thousands who endorsed it and believed in it. It is understandable that many of them feel they have been down that road already.

        I do not think anybody in University studying any Major would have an IQ equal to water, and that is perhaps the stupidest thing I have ever read in these comments.

        • thomas kuhn explain the reason why educated scientist (or professionals) can be crazily denying facts.

          http://www.uky.edu/~eushe2/Pajares/Kuhn.html

          The training of scientist is done by massive brainwashing to make them productive inside the current paradigm by not looking beside it.

          It is the opposite of stupidity, it is training, over training.
          all intelligence of an academic is working to deniy anomalies and go back to the current paradigm.

          part of their IQ is used to rationalize anomalies, and other part to be blind to anomalies.

          Engineers, like non physicist are not more intelligent, but not locked in the same paradigm. engineer have a paradigm, but this paradigm probably make them locked into believing measurements and not trusting theories or models.
          my education, between micro electronics, QM, IT, software engineering, project management, finance modelization, numerical modeling make me aware of :
          – difficulties to replicate in real science
          – role of blackswan in innovation
          – role of impurities an lattice in physics
          – danger of modelisation and theories
          – groupthink in organization and markets, rewriting of history

          cold fusion is not challenging my paradigm, rather well understood under it.
          – groupthink
          – lattice and doping effects
          – blackswan
          – pathologies of theory and models
          – unpunished frauds

        • bachcole

          I resent your malicious attack on my good friend georgehants.

          • guga

            What about georgehants’ offensive comment? I had not assumed that you could agree to such statements.

          • bachcole

            guga, I apologize. I don’t read everything here and I should have just not get involved. How about if we just all take a deep breath and start over? I know that georgehants is no angel.

          • Kwhilborn

            Who cares. If you agree that “The average scientist seems to have an I.Q. slightly less then a glass of cold water.”, then you are proving his point in that your own IQ is less than a glass of cold water.

            I happen to have many friends from my university days, and we were all in science oriented fields. This was a blanket insult to scientists in general and is STILL the most ignorant and stupid comment I have ever read in comments here.

          • bachcole

            That is George’s resentment speaking because things aren’t moving along as fast as he thinks that they should. I am sure that most scientists have higher I.Q.s than I do. I am also sure that most scientists (and most human beings) have a lower P.N.Q than you or I do. [Paradigm Nimbleness Quotient]. (:->)

          • Kwhilborn

            Yet you defended him when he said “The average Scientist seems to have an IQ slightly less than a glass of cold water”.

            Defend dumb blanket statements and we are forced to think you support them.

    • bachcole

      Outstanding quote!!! This could be my favorite quote of the week, perhaps of the year.

  • Obvious

    I think it may have been the FBI that came up with the saying “you can’t bake a cake without breaking a few eggheads”.

  • GreenWin

    Does the term “egghead” reflect the state of one’s follicle accumulation? Or does it refer to characters that become hard boiled after five minutes?

  • JDM

    AR seems to be answering lots of questions today, like he has some extra time to kill while he is waiting for something, eh?

  • JDM

    AR seems to be answering lots of questions today, like he has some extra time to kill while he is waiting for something, eh?

  • LilyLover

    Dear E-Catters:
    Omega Z’s calculation will indicate that Dr. Rossi has the best quality of fans that are not only smart but also very tenacious, like himself, in following him.
    So, COP 35 is the educated guess. I’ll make an emotional guess of COP 60 along with the prediction that the report-makers will totally depart from the “COP” terminology.

    Sorry to overanalyze Rossi’s words… If a long term test was less than satisfactory for first half of the test, expecting that to improve in the later half of the test on its own will fit the popular definition of insanity. Therefore, the first half of the test must have been “good enough” or “investment grade” or “about 10% ROI (for a new small firm)”. Only then would the IH continue to support perpetuation of the test despite contracts. Because, as smart as Rossi is, team of IH lawyers can always advise to bankrupt the “LLC” to exit the obligations to save money. Stretching this a little further, if first 1/3rd of the test was bad, then the later 2/3rd would have to be exceptionally good to make up for it.that also means, first 2/3rd has to be at acceptable level. Since magic won’t happen between first 1/3rd and second 1/3rd – they would have stopped the “long term” test after the failure of the first 1/3rd. They did not. It simply means – to IH, so far, it must mean – “investment grade” success. That is good enough. Not great, but good enough. They’ll take that.

    Now, if things have gone wrong in the long term test, what can Rossi possibly do to fix it in 3 days? Nothing.
    The 0.99 vs 1.01 is great academic discussion but we all ‘know’ our interest is in proof of at least 2.5 or say 6, like he likes to claim.

    If the team is competent, and the dispute is between 5.5 vs 5.8 it does not matter to us.
    That can be resolved in 3 days.
    If the dispute is between 2.5 vs 5.0 – there is a big error on part of the calculators which Rossi can help rectify in 3 days. For that to happen, he must have the true data without sabotage. His lawyers must have tried for milestone-data of the ongoing test to better equip him in his ongoing R&D and future defence.

    But, like Rossi says, he has had no data. Then he must have installed some mechanism that will yield him true data. If the data is true, he can analyze it in 3 days.

    The biggest question becomes – How does Rossi know that the exact replica of the real data is provided to him? How will that happen?
    The good data will be used to raise capital and not so good data will be used to bargain Rossi’s rights. How can we know – if that will not happen?

    I believe if a man as smart as Rossi can trust IH, I’ll let IH have my goodwill.
    If the dispute is between 0.99 vs 6, we (I) know IH is sabotaging Rossi to delay the E-Cat.

    In the event that IH cheats Rossi, my last shred of faith in humanity (lawyers) will evaporate.
    I’ll still continue to trust Rossi.

    So, as a guessing game, I request you to make COP guesses or any other guesses (Admin – good topic to poll?) that will make you feel happy about the “Official Long-Term Independant Report”. I say COP 60 for heat.
    …And extra prediction for his other current work – COP 6 for direct electricity.

    Have a good day!

  • Obvious

    bachcole, you must have been let out of moderation delay purgatory!
    Anyways, to George, I meant your post, not the link, was obtuse originally.

    • Obvious

      From wikedpedia regarding Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy:

      The Belcerebons of Kakrafoon Kappa had an unhappy time. Once a serene and quiet civilization, a Galactic Tribunal sentenced them to telepathy because the rest of the galaxy found peaceful contemplation contemptuous. Ford Prefect compared them to Humans because the only way Belcerebons could stop transmitting their every thought was to mask their brain activity (or its readability) by talking endlessly about utter trivia. The other approach to dampening telepathic communication was to host concerts of the plutonium rock band Disaster Area. Thankfully, during the concert, an improbability field flipped over the Rudlit Desert, transforming it into a paradise, and cured the Belcerebons of telepathy. A Disaster Area spokesman said that this was “a good gig”.

    • georgehants

      Obvious, once you move away from the restrictive classical World and look at the True reality then everything is obtuse. Ha.

  • orsobubu

    “Decide to reset the world currency system by, among several other
    measures, announcing a 30 percent devaluation of the U.S. dollar against
    other currencies and/or against gold” This would be an astonishing news, to be remebered in history books. Where did you get it?

    As usual, I like to point out that the problem is that sometimes energy is TOO cheap already now (for capitalism’s profit needs), not the contrary, and the situation will worsen in the future.

  • Antonio Saavedra Narváez

    Finally. After so many years, the time has come. For good or bad.

    • Kwhilborn

      Don’t read too much into this. He did a similar verification last year. It was tainted because it was held on his premises, just as it is being done this year (he said they brought equipment). This means nothing in these results will sway skeptics any more than previously. At best he has convinced a few more academics who participated in the testing.

      I think the AR approach to introducing this tech is flawed, and we are more likely to see a breakthrough come from one of the other 20 LENR researchers in the game. AR may have the breakthrough, but he is failing to patent correctly or even prove correctly he has such a tech.

  • Antonio Saavedra Narváez

    Finally. After so many years, the time has come. For good or bad.

    • Kwhilborn

      Don’t read too much into this. He did a similar verification last year. It was tainted because it was held on his premises, just as it is being done this year (he said they brought equipment). This means nothing in these results will sway skeptics any more than previously. At best he has convinced a few more academics who participated in the testing.

      I think the AR approach to introducing this tech is flawed, and we are more likely to see a breakthrough come from one of the other 20 LENR researchers in the game. AR may have the breakthrough, but he is failing to patent correctly or even prove correctly he has such a tech.

      • bachcole

        I will give you the fact that the 2013 Levi et. al. Report was imperfect from the perspective of scientific protocol. But I am certain that that is not all that Darden and Vaughn saw. The imperfection of the Levi Report did not stop Darden and Vaughn and therefore should not stop anyone else. $12 million is a lot of bread to invest in something if the Levi Report was all that there was. Only very stupid people would invest that kind of money if all they saw was written words on a piece of paper or a computer screen. I guarantee the Darden and Vaughn burned their fingers on an E-Cat.

        • Kwhilborn

          So what? People have been burning fingers on ecats since 2011 en masse. That does little to bring mainstream acceptance to this field. Nor will this report.

          You are making my point for me. You say only very stupid people would invest money based upon written words. That is not true. If those written words appear in NATURE MAGAZINE or some other highly regarded peer reviewed magazine they would be considered as fact.

          If Rossi gets published in NATURE MAGAZINE then his tech is mainstream.

          Antonio was happy this report would be conclusive, and I am saying I doubt that. What are you saying? That even if its inconclusive someone might burn themselves? I do not even see a coherent thought there.

          • bachcole

            I know that this will come as a surprise to you, but mainstream scientists are people. When they burn their fingers on LENR+ units, then they will also become believers.

          • Kwhilborn

            This article is about the report. Burning fingers will take a century to convince mainstream.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Nice to see you finally abandon that bogus argument, and admit Rossi will prevail over time.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            What are you talking about Ophelia.
            (I also go by Kwhilborn)
            Click this link from 2011 (3 years ago)

            http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/17/rossi-rival-to-announce-cold-fusionlenr-findings/

            Now if you read the first comment you will see I have been a Rossi supporter far longer than I have seen your name around.

            I have no bogus arguments.
            Even your notion of living aboard a Zeppelin came from me. I have been the ONLY person saying that BLIMPS will make a comeback because of LENR. Read my comment from 2013 on it.

            http://ecatreport.com/lenr/hopes-turn-to-lenr-for-cars#?1#?1#WebrootPlugIn#?1#?1#PhreshPhish#?1#?1#agtpwd

            Heck. The entire Ecat World Article was based on my future vision of ecats here….
            http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/02/12/a-vision-of-a-cold-fusion-future-how-to-adapt-to-abundance/
            The whole article is mainly my comment. Read the article.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            I could give a hundred other links under these names.

            Rossi has an ecat, but he keeps underestimating what constitutes proof to the mainstream. In 2010 he thought submitting papers was enough. In 2011 he thought demonstrations would prove it. in 2012/2013 he thought verifications would prove it to mainstream. He has always underestimated how much proof is required. Why should this change now?

            Don’t confuse my lack of enthusiasm for this report as an excuse to badmouth me or say I don’t believe in the ecat as I have typed enough comments over the years in support of Rossi to have penned several books.

          • may I translate your wise warning as:
            “there is no limit to mainstream delusion and resistance to evidence?”

            I confirm as even the japanese government after Hiroshima was discussing details about the status of the Emperor not to surrender… until Nagasaki was bombed, and they finally admit they have no capacity to negociate.

            Thomas Kuhn give the solution to that frequent tragedy :
            – that a theory explain all including current paradigm and new anomaly
            – that the new paradigm give “believers” a huge material advantage, either in solving scientific, or engineering challenges.

            so there is two exit possible :
            – someone propose a good theory, compatible with current QM, to explain LENR
            – that clients are happy with LENR reactors.

            this exclude:
            – evidence
            – 3rd party tests
            – peer-reviewed publication
            – support by industrial, government agencies, financial funds
            – evidence of skeptic frauds and misconducts
            – evidence of incompetence of skeptics
            note that we already have all of that evidence, so no need to check.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            I agree that skeptics seem hell bent on denying LENR, but I was trying to say that Rossi has a history of under supplying evidence.

            I wholeheartedly accept the evidence there is because I also weigh in common sense regarding scam scenarios, but someone looking only at the science could be trouble by his last verification/demo year/and his LENR papers.

            I love Rossi, but I think proof of LENr is more likely to come from another source like Miley or Hagelstein.

            A profound CF announcement by someone running for President or Prime Minister of a country might stir media and help them win.

            Heck. If Kloe Kardashian tripped on a LENR device the media would cover it.

            Someone influential. Any celebrity could likely take this cause mainstream. 60 minutes suffered a backlash over their coverage which was too early in 2009. I have written them with updated information, but I think they are part oil owned. IDK.

            I like Rossi, but I think he feels he has already won the LENR race and is coasting.

          • GreenWin

            Apparently it’s all about “you” Mr. programmer?

          • friendlyprogrammer

            If someone came along claiming you were a skeptopath after years of hard core support for not only the ecat, but other forms of LENR it is hard not to call them a liar. You skeptics just hate us LENR folk.

            I have opened some minds with ideas of possibilities………
            “Your car will be big enough to hold a bathroom because lets face it, all the service stations have closed.

            “With travel becoming so cheap it will become the experience instead of the mode to reach an experience.

            “A look to the skies will see Helium/hot air blimps that are floating hotels with no explosion risks. The rich will dispose of their sailing yachts (hint sell your sailboat now), and the poor will convert them to new energy. Someone with a 35′ sailboat known for ease of operation will now be comfortable driving a 200′ ship with a garden and a pool..

            “Cities will need to limit vehicle sizes or everyone and their dog will drive a motor home to work. Why not go big if fuel costs are nothing.

            “LENR/HHO will be UBER cheap very quickly, because the processes involved are less complicated than a dollar store flashlight, and a million unemployed from the Solar and Wind Energy sector will start building cheap knock offs in their basement. There will be no way to stop the pirating of this technology because of its simplicity. The demand will obviously outweigh any production capacity. i.e. would you go on a 10 year waiting list or build one yourself?

            “600 million less smog producing vehicles will mean fresh country air in the heart of major cities. Less health damage equals longer lives for all.

            “It will take some time for car manufacturers to adapt. Small electric cars will be too small. Big gas cars wont run on electricity so the solution will be hydrogen conversions to gas vehicles (possibly a trailer unit). Some suggest Steam cars will come first, but any car manufactured today is a result of a decade of research (more) and steam prototypes will be years off.

            “Nobody will shovel their driveways or roads. Cars will have heaters under them to melt snow and ice. You can move your car around your driveway or just install heaters in the asphalt. Roofs will melt the snow the same way.

            “Every roof and road will be white. With all our extra energy capacity even the solar effects of black roof shingles will be too much, and we will be better off reflecting that heat back into space. Artificial cloud cover might be created for similar effects.

            “Off grid living will become popular. Since everyone has a huge ship and motor home why live in a house. I’m sure there are reasons, but I’ll be in the South Pacific Catching fish, Breeding Chickens, Desalinating water, and making my own wine aboard The HMS Friendlyprogrammer. I will be surrounded by a million others doing the same thing.

            “Everything, everything, everything, will become cheaper. A $500 television will be much cheaper to produce. Imagine,,,, Every manufacturer of every nut, bolt, wire, chip, will pay less for transport (supplies and delivery), less for electricity, less for A/C, less for heat and these cheaper bolts will pass on savings to the next manufacturer so that $500 television is now in an ecat (or other) heated store selling for $75.
            IMAGINE THE BUILDING BOOM. We will all have wall sized televisions for cheap.

            “The Middle east will see a poverty strike them as their dependence on Oil Cash fails them. They will need to compete in a global market place and be forced to educate their women and adapt more responsible laws regarding religious tolerance. They will need to be liked for a change.

            “Starvation will dissipate as cheap desalination provides clean water not only to people but can cheaply pump clean water into the soils of the earth. Cities in risk of collapsing into sinkholes (like Mexico City) can replenish their underwater reserves.

            “A slow moving cruise ship will be replaced by hydrofoils or at least quadruple their speeds.

            “I’d invest in electric motor companies. Magnet manufacturers. Boat builders. RV Builders, and avoid any energy investing. I would not invest in AR Rossi in case Blacklight wins. I would not invest in Brillouin in case Rossi wins. I would not invest in any of them until a winner is announced. Maybe it’s HHO.

            “The days of burying a technology is over. Too many know about LENR/HHO/Blacklight Power (or whatever).. Internet has been a game changer in that regard. A mere 20 years ago we would be trying to find non existent library books about LENR as our only source of information.

            “Bus shelters will be air conditioned and heated. Every park will have a play fountain.

            “This is only a fraction of how I see the world in 10 years.”

            I have defended Rossi hardcore…..,

            – Andrea Rossi was very rich before worth $30 million USD. He did not run to hawaii (his Visa handed to him by The President of the United States), he continued environmental science. If his only concern was money he could have retired rich in his 30’s.

            – When Italys mafia took his waste management business by making his storage illegal (Apparently “The Mafia” reaches as far as Italy (who knew?), and they apparently like to control waste management in many countries) Andrea Rossi faced and beat all his Environment charges, when he could have hid in the U.S.A. (remember the VISA the President Carter gave him.).

            – All of Andrea Rossi science is common theme of environmental science.

            – Many scam corporations think to raise money (scam) by selling shares. This scam was common with mining companies. Tell everyone you found a rich vein then sell shares then pay yourself a million in salary and go broke. Andrea Rossi has not sold or tried to sell any shares in Leonardo corporation. This would be easiest scam opportunity.

            – Andrea Rossi is immigrating to the US where anti fraud laws are extremely tough.

            – Andrea Rossi funded the first 5 years of this from his own pocket including hiring Focardi.

            Scammers have a history of using other peoples money for scams, and Andrea Rossi has used his own.

            Since Andrea Rossi made the Nickel/Hydrogen version of LENR popular in 2011, we have seen many unrelated labs confirm this is indeed possible and very effective. So he is on the right track according to many.

            These separate and unrelated entities all claim THEY have a working LENR device. Why would so many reputable corporations claim this? Toyota, NASA, Brillouin, George Miley, Patterson cell, Honda, Mitsubishi, Peter Hagelstein, Celani, MFMP, Defkalion, The Athanor creators. That is a dozen just off the top of my head that does not include the ecat device.

            – He seems to be logically progressing. His best demo was 18 hours on an unstable product and Defkalion bailed on him because he could not do a 48 hour run, but now he is running (confirmed) at much higher temperatuires for longer. If this was fake why did he not fake a 48 hour run with Defkalion or when he was demonstrating in 2011. Are skeptics suggesting he has advanced his fakery in this time?

            – He has demonstrated publicly in front of many skeptics and geniuses many times during 2011.

            – He did allow this recent team to evaluate the ecats with very impressive results, and DC input has also been ruled out. We must EITHER think there is criminal conspiracy among very impressive verifying team of scholars with reputations at stake, or accept the reality of the ecat.

            – Andrea Rossi did publish a paper on this (see his website) in 2010 but it was basically ignored, and all patents for anything suggestive of Cold Fusion have been banned. How would a normal person proceed?

            -He cannot get patents on this because of ban , but also has secret catalyst that is his advantage in market. How would anyone protect it?

            Look at the Zawodny videos on the NASA website.

            Rossi has never been poor. He could have gone to Margaritaville 20 years ago if he wanted to.

            As Forbes Magazine Mark gibbs says,”This is not, of course, the last word or even one anywhere near the end of this story but unless this is one of the most elaborate hoaxes in scientific history it looks like the world may well be about to change.”

            WHO KNEW THIS?
            Andrea Rossi has always been an achiever. As a teen he held the world record for distance running for two years in a row.
            Who here did not know Andrea Rossi was a world champion runner for 2 consecutive years in a competition that required perseverance (24 hour runs).

            He is likely imho to go down in history as one of the men responsible for clean energy and will save millions of lives.

            I say we go easy on the guy. He has ALWAYS done what he said he would do. I think he is very, very, very, credible.”

            I have broken down the Widom Larsen Theory in terms most people can grasp…

            I will now break down the entire Widom Larsen Theory in terms everyone should comprehend.

            “Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) is based on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions. Do not be fooled by the term “Weak Nuclear Reaction”, as any nuclear reaction can be millions of times more powerful than a chemical process. There is more than enough energy produced to replace all of our current electrical systems easily.

            A weak nuclear reaction is any reaction that emits or absorbs a Neutrino. Neutrinos are photons similar to visible light that does not interact with visible matter. LENRS Emit Neutrinos.

            Certain metals that readily absorb hydrogen (hydrides), can be saturated with Hydrogen (for simplicity I’m leaving out Deuterium,etc.). This “loading” can be enhanced by running electrolysis (electrolytic cells) or having a vacuum chamber.

            If you imagined the Nickel as a sponge being filled with water, once the sponge reached its storage capacity, small droplets would build up on the surface of the sponge.

            This seems to be true of Nickel containing hydrogen. Small pools of theses surface patches (30 microns/pinheads) of the saturated protons (not mentioning deuterons either).

            Now also there’s a film of electrons on the surface of metals that all oscillate together called surface plasmons.

            [QUOTE]High fields result from a breakdown of the Born-Oppenheimer Approximation via a coupling of Surface Plasmon Polaritons to a collective proton resonance in the metal hydride[/QUOTE]

            This means the protons which weigh a lot more than the electrons through the electromagnetic field grab the electrons and shake them back and forth. This occurs directly above the little pinhead sized pools of protons previously mentioned.

            This reaction creates a big neutron from the interaction between a proton and an electron. An “[B]Ultra Low Momentum Neutron[/B]”. This term is used a lot, and that is how it is created. This is because they obviously lack the energy seen in other nuclear processes.

            the neutron is absorbed by nearby nuclei and you won’t see it.

            Subsequent decays release significant energy.

            Released gammas are absorbed by the heavy electrons which are also there, and convert them to infra red, and LENR is often associated with low Gamma Ray emissions. Just because Gamma rays are not detectable, does not mean the process is chemical.

            The fusion of light nuclei gain a much higher energy than expected in the fusion of heavy nuclei.Therefore, the formation of iron and copper should be a side reaction in the fusion of hydrogen with an ecat, so some evidence of transmutation should occur.

            If there are any questions about this, I will try to be more specific in areas.

            The beauty of the Widom Larsen Theory is although it borrows from different aspects of engineering, it does not require new physics.”

            I have written well more than enough to be called a skeptic by people just arriving on the scene.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            (continued)

            I have also been very active trying to prove LENR and provide proof…

            “First of all we have Piantelli who basically discovered the nickel/hydrogen process. He now has a company called Nichenergy. Piantelli has applied for patents and is only claiming a 2-4 times energy gain. He is missing something key that rossi has. Whatever catalyst is being used. I’m guessing harmonic sound might be in play, but that’s a guess. Allegedly; Piantelli has a theory that doesn’t require exotic reactions, but can be explained using known physics and mathematics. A semi-complete theory has been provided to the University of Siena and will be published shortly. The complete theory will probably be disclosed after the first commercial units have been sold.

            ———————————————–
            According to Dennis Bushnell, chief scientist at NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, NASA was working years ago on experiments based on Piantelli’s research, and that it continues.

            So NASA is doing Hydrogen/Nickel experiments admittedly.

            http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/…lenr-research/

            We should look at work done by Francesco Piantelli

            Please have a look at the above link.. here it is again.

            http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/…lenr-research/

            a quote from his bio,

            In 1989 Francesco Piantelli-Musso, a biologist at the University of Siena, in the course of his experiments with samples of organic material, noted an anomalous heat production. He made the information public. Focardi also observed the phenomenon and the two scientists decided to create a working group. They later added Roberto Habel, a member of the INFN at the University of Cagliari, as a member. This was in order to extensively study the cause of that anomaly in the formal of thermal energy.

            In 1996, an attempt was made to replicate experiment of Piantelli-Musso and Focardi at CERN. This was done by a group of CERN in Geneva . It was directed by Antonino Zichichi who then tried a replica of the experiment of Piantelli-Musso and Focardi. The study went on for almost a year. However, in the end has, there was no favorable outcome to the hypothesis of an explanation of nuclear nature of the phenomenon.

            Again in 1999, another attempt was made to replicate the experiment of Piantelli-Musso and Focardi. This was done in the Italian city of Pavia. Piantelli-Musso and Focardi have repeatedly stated that the cell has been built and successfully tested at the respective laboratories at the University of Siena and at the University of Bologna. However, until now there have been other experimental positive feedback by independent groups of researchers

            So we have Patents being issued to Francesco Piantelli for the exact same thing as what Andrea Rossi is doing, except Andrea Rossi is claiming his is superior.

            Now Andrea Rossi is one of those guys who likes to duplicate experiments and try to replicate the results. He duplicated the Pons fleischmann cold fusion experiment with Paladium and hydrogen.

            He used a catalyst when re-creating the Francesco Piantelli experiment and has claimed superior results.

            According to New Energy Times On Sept. 22, NASA conducted a LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reaction) Innovation Forum workshop at Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio. Speakers included NASA scientists Joseph Zawodny, Gustave Fralick, Michael Nelson, Jim Dunn and Dennis Bushnell and retired University of Illinois professor George Miley.

            At the meeting, Bushnell said that LENR has a strong potential for a new source of energy. He was optimistic about nickel powder LENR solutions.

            This Workshop can be confirmed to have occurred by looking at the bottom of this NASA website where it states,

            Relevant Presentation:
            + Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon].

            at this web address,
            http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm

            So the Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, Dennis Bushnell is OPTIMISTIC about the ecat.

            NOW LISTEN TO THIS…..
            “The temperature you can get out of [LENR] is interesting,” Bushnell said. “We’ve had to be careful [in our research in] terms of the energetics. I don’t think there is a power [limitation] problem.

            “I think the problem now is of raw courage to look into something that is new. We’ve been fortunate to have a center director at Langley that has the courage to support us to do this. We’ve been at it for three or four years.

            Click on this to see that NASA has readily admitted to replicating the Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR), from Nickel/hydrogen. This is admitted freely.
            http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/…-confirmation/

            So NASA is saying they have been doing Nickel/Hydrogen cold fusion at the NASA Langley Research Center for three or four years.

            Sme Doubt Andrea Rossi, but can they also doubt Francesco Piantelli, and Dennis Bushnell (NASA)

            Piantelli claims his earlier units reported two to four times energy gain, but new units are underway. According to reports, these new units will have two hundred times energy gained. These units are expected to be completed in the next couple of months.

            WoW!! So we have a race going on here.

            Piantelli (who seems like the inventor), then Rossi who seems to have modified the idea, and NASA plugging away at Langley Research Centre for three or four years.

            3 different parties… all claiming the same thing.

            Okay now back to Andrea Rossi and the ecat.

            Sergio Focardi – In 2007, Italian inventor Andrea Rossi, e-cat fusion key figure, contacted Focardi to collaborate on his work on cold fusion. Sergio Focardi was a participant in the well known and studied Francesco Piantelli
            experiments.
            From 1988 to 1990, Sergio Focardi was president of the Coordination Committee of Italian Scientific Associations also known as COASSI. From 1980 to 1989, he was dean of the faculty of mathematical, physical and natural sciences. Also, from 1992 to 2000, he was chairman of the Board of Bachelor of Information Sciences in Cesena. It was this capacity that he founded the course of Information Science in Bologna and Cesena as well as Environmental Sciences in Ravenna.
            Sergio Focardi is an Italian physicist, and presently an emeritus professor at the University of Bologna. He also led the office of Bologna of Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare. His field of expertise is working on cold fusion with Nickel-Hydrogen reactors.

            To hear him speak positively about the ecat click on the link below.
            He does not speak english, so this video although puts a face to his endorsements is a bit tedious if you do not speak Italian. Translation is provided.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmWbV…eature=related

            He has been involved with Nickel/hydrogen cold fusion research since 1989. THAT is 22 years ago…

            So this was not an overnight invention.
            ————————————————————————–
            Giuseppe Levi – Nuclear and Supernuclear Physics Professor at the University of Bologna.

            He can be viewed speaking for an entire hour starting on the youtube link below. In English..
            http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/08/gu…-of-the-e-cat/

            Levi is one of the scientists who has had the opportunity to run tests on the device, and was involved in the press conference on January 14th, and is a member of the American SKEPTICS Society.

            He suggested it is insulting that colleagues do not accept their verifications.

            ————————————————————————-

            Sven kullander – Also has tested and has lent support backing the stance of The University of Uppsala. Some of his qualifications and merits I have listed here.

            Awards
            Björkens prize for year 2000
            Membership in Societies and Academies
            Swedish Physical SocietyEuropean Physical Society
            Finnish Society of Sciences and Letters
            Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
            Royal Academy of Arts and Sciences in Uppsala
            Royal Society of Sciences
            Committee Memberships
            Nuclear Physics Research Committee, CERN, 1968 – 1969
            Swiss Institute for Nuclear Research, 1968 – 1970
            Swedish Atomic Research Council, 1975 – 1977
            Committee for Physics Experiments at the CERN Proton Synchrotron, 1977 – 1979
            Swedish Natural Science Research Council, 1977 – 1983
            CERN Council, 1980 – 1983
            CERN Research Board, 1982 – 1984
            Board of the Faculty of Mathematics and Natural Sciences, Uppsala, 1984 – 1993
            Scientific Council of the Cooler Ring COSY project, Jülich, Germany, 1989 – 1992
            Programme Advisory Committee, COSY, Jülich, 1994 –
            Scientific Policy Committee, Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics, Heidelberg, 1991-
            Swedish CERN Committee, 1977 – 1995
            Asea Brown Boveri Energy Prize Award committee, 1990 – 1997
            Board of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, 1998 -present

            Sven Kullander has also come forward in favour of the ecat, and is preparing to deliver a lecture later this month on Low Energy Nuclear reactions.


            Sven Kullander, professor of high energy physics at Uppsala University and chairman of Sweden’s Royal Academy of Sciences Energy Committee will be giving a public lecture entitled “Tomorrow’s Nuclear Power — Will it be Cold or Hot?” at Orebro University in Sweden on November 23rd at 16:30 in lecture hall T in Tech House. This lecture is free.

            PART OF WHAT THE PAMPHLET READS ON THE INVITATION TO THIS LECTURE IS THE FOLLOWING………….
            PLEASE READ THIS BIT.
            Cold fusion has been developed recently in Bologna can be housed in an apparatus which is not much bigger than a coffee maker and generating energy only with a few teaspoons of nickel powder.? An intensive discussion on the net have questioned the experiment in Bologna mainly because it can not be explained by the established nuclear physics theory. It has also been speculated that the derivative produced heat energy must have been greatly overestimated mainly by an overestimation of the buildup of steam. At the lecture, these issues will be treated in order to gain a better understanding of the experiment in Bologna.

            Okay…

            So far we know that

            – NASA believes in the technology and has been conducting nickel/Hydrogen cold fusion experiments for the past three to four years.

            For people doubting NASA has been involved in this, look at this NASA webpage.
            http://open.nasa.gov/appschallenge/i…oftware-model/
            Please note that is not a pro Rossi website, but NASA.

            – The University of Bologna has lent its name to support the ecat.

            – The University of Uppsala has lent its name to support the ecat.

            – We have at least three competing bodies trying to get “ecats” to market. Piantelli, Nasa, and Rossi.

            – Dennis Bushnell the Chief research Scientist at NASA Research Center in Langley not only believes in the ecat, but has been working on such a device himself for the past three to four years.

            – Professor Sergio Focardi has witnessed Piantellis results, and Rossi’s results, and has come out saying the ecat is a real thing with nuclear reactions taking place.

            – Professor Sven Kullander has witnessed the ecat in operation and has come out heavily in support of the ecat. It would be fun to hear his lecture later this month.

            – Professor Giuseppe Levi is a Nuclear and supernuclear physicist at the University of Bologna and a member of The American Skeptics Society. He has witness the ecat in operation many times, and speaks very highly of it. Kri interviewed him, and the 1 hour video link to his speaking of it is very convincing.

            There are many more names of Professors and scholars who have witnessed this device and are standing behind it, but you should get the idea that this is supported by academics.

            The idea that Rossi has spent the past few years sponsoring himself for a scam seems ridiculous, and I cannot believe how many people do not seem to see how ridiculous a scam scenario is. It’s common sense.

            Anyways. I have read and heard a lot more that what I have wrote and linked here, but I think I give a compelling argument for the ecats merits.”


            So if I am a skeptic.. We all are skeptics.. What crud.. p.s. i know none of those links work now. These are just samples of my writing efforts to convince people Rossi is the real deal.

            I could easily have put my research into a book and I am a published author. This story is not about making money for me though.

          • bachcole

            Did a skeptic just become a believer? This means that he was never a skeptopath in the first place. (:->)

          • in Mats lewan book, there is report of Küllander and Levi being skeptical but open, and finally convinced.

            there is also the skeptopath ericsson cited.

            the difference is the the two first were experimental physicist, and the last one, theoretician.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            Who are you suggesting is or was a skeptic? I am kwhilborn but also post as Friendlyprogrammer. I hope it is not me you are suggesting was a skeptic, because I have been a hard core and very loud advocate for Rossi since early 2011 (The beginning).

            The top comment on this 2011 post is from me defending Rossi from Krivit.

            http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/17/rossi-rival-to-announce-cold-fusionlenr-findings/

            you can look at almost any significant LENR post since the beginning (2011 when he went public) and find I have been advocating LENR in the comments.

            I have written to Hybrid manufacturers, 60 minutes, W5, other news organizations, participated in science forums and maintain regular comments throughout Ecatworld and more LENR sites.

            If you suggest for one second I was a skeptic you are a huge liar.

          • bachcole

            I am a skeptic and will be until the day that I die. I will only be persuaded by the evidence. I assume that friendlyprogrammer has the good sense to also be a skeptic, although I am not so sure about Mr. Hyde-Kwhilborn. (:->)

            friendlyprogrammer, don’t get your panties in a bunch. There is a skeptic, which you and I are. And there is a skeptic about something, in this case about Rossi, which you and I aren’t. (:->) But I still worry about Mr. Hyde-Kwhilborn.

            If you weren’t a skeptic, then your belief in Rossi wouldn’t be worth much. I have online friends who believe in perpetual motion machines. They are not skeptics. Their opinions about technical matters aren’t worth poop.

            If you will put aside your pantie bunching attitude, you might tell us when, how, and why you first became convinced that Rossi was for real. I was very strongly inclined towards him for a long time, but I just couldn’t make a belief commitment until the 2013 Levi Report. What convinced you so early on?

          • friendlyprogrammer

            I will copy/Paste a previous comment to show a little of the common sense things I have seen in favor of the Ecat.

            – Andrea Rossi was very rich before worth $30 million USD. He did
            not run to hawaii (his Visa handed to him by The President of the United
            States), he continued environmental science. If his only concern was
            money he could have retired rich in his 30’s.

            – When Italys mafia
            took his waste management business by making his storage illegal
            (Apparently “The Mafia” reaches as far as Italy (who knew?), and they
            apparently like to control waste management in many countries) Andrea
            Rossi faced and beat all his Environment charges, when he could have hid
            in the U.S.A. (remember the VISA the President Carter gave him.).

            – All of Andrea Rossi science is common theme of environmental science.


            Many scam corporations think to raise money (scam) by selling shares.
            This scam was common with mining companies. Tell everyone you found a
            rich vein then sell shares then pay yourself a million in salary and go
            broke. Andrea Rossi has not sold or tried to sell any shares in
            Leonardo corporation. This would be easiest scam opportunity.

            – Andrea Rossi is immigrating to the US where anti fraud laws are extremely tough.

            – Andrea Rossi funded the first 5 years of this from his own pocket including hiring Focardi.

            Scammers have a history of using other peoples money for scams, and Andrea Rossi has used his own.

            Since
            Andrea Rossi made the Nickel/Hydrogen version of LENR popular in 2011,
            we have seen many unrelated labs confirm this is indeed possible and
            very effective. So he is on the right track according to many.

            These
            separate and unrelated entities all claim THEY have a working LENR
            device. Why would so many reputable corporations claim this? Toyota,
            NASA, Brillouin, George Miley, Patterson cell, Honda, Mitsubishi, Peter
            Hagelstein, Celani, MFMP, Defkalion, The Athanor creators. That is a
            dozen just off the top of my head that does not include the ecat device.


            He seems to be logically progressing. His best demo was 18 hours on an
            unstable product and Defkalion bailed on him because he could not do a
            48 hour run, but now he is running (confirmed) at much higher
            temperatuires for longer. If this was fake why did he not fake a 48
            hour run with Defkalion or when he was demonstrating in 2011. Are
            skeptics suggesting he has advanced his fakery in this time?

            – He has demonstrated publicly in front of many skeptics and geniuses many times during 2011.


            He did allow this recent team to evaluate the ecats with very
            impressive results, and DC input has also been ruled out. We must
            EITHER think there is criminal conspiracy among very impressive
            verifying team of scholars with reputations at stake, or accept the
            reality of the ecat.

            – Andrea Rossi did publish a paper on this
            (see his website) in 2010 but it was basically ignored, and all patents
            for anything suggestive of Cold Fusion have been banned. How would a
            normal person proceed?

            -He cannot get patents on this because of
            ban , but also has secret catalyst that is his advantage in market. How
            would anyone protect it?

            Look at the Zawodny videos on the NASA website.

            Rossi has never been poor. He could have gone to Margaritaville 20 years ago if he wanted to.

            As
            Forbes Magazine Mark gibbs says,”This is not, of course, the last word
            or even one anywhere near the end of this story but unless this is one
            of the most elaborate hoaxes in scientific history it looks like the
            world may well be about to change.”

            WHO KNEW THIS?
            Andrea Rossi has always been an achiever. As a teen he held the world record for distance running for two years in a row.
            Who
            here did not know Andrea Rossi was a world champion runner for 2
            consecutive years in a competition that required perseverance (24 hour
            runs).

            He is likely imho to go down in history as one of the men responsible for clean energy and will save millions of lives.

            I say we go easy on the guy. He has ALWAYS done what he said he would do. I think he is very, very, very, credible.”

            I could likely expand that into several chapters of other things I know and discuss his biofuel patent income, and his frequent DOD contracts, but the points are made.

            Rossi did not hide in America from his accusers in Italy. He returned and faced down every charge despite having a Visa handed to him by The President of The United States (Jimmy Carter).

            I think he has the goods, and have almost since I first researched him.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            Also….
            Do not forget Rossis background and industry connections enables him to command a 6 digit salary or close to it if he chooses. The fact that he has opted to work on his own in his own facilities while hiring Focardi and others tell us he was financially fluent enough to do this. It also tells us he opted this over minimum half a million dollars in Salaries.

            He then moved moved to Florida and invested in Real Estate. This tells us he is not afraid of U.S. law which have the toughest anti fraud standards, and that he could afford a comfortable international move.

            A lot of Canadians retire in Florida. How many Italians do?

            Plus now we know 20+ others have their own devices. From The Patterson Cell to Jet Energy.

            Why would you not accept the opinion of Dennis Bushnell, The head Research Scientist of NASA Langley (200 miles from the new Rossi/IH location).

          • just a story for those who still image or even fear it is a fraud:
            Rossi have made test where the claimed energy was much above anything chemical.
            So it is IMPOSSIBLE it is hidden battery or hidden fuel.
            the fraud have thus to be done through tweaking the apparent input energy or the apparent output heat…

            so, there is no reason to be unable to fake for 48hours if you can fake for 18…

            moreover the characteristics of fraud is to provide perfect demo, and very good faked dataset, which is not the case with some terrific Rossi demo…

          • mike

            I have always believed oil based fuel was not the end all be all. There is unbelievable amounts of energy in every square inch of space. Dr Mills in his grand unified theory convinced me. Then I found Rossi’s ecat. I want to believe, so I can easily be swayed. I just hope. In my humble opinion, oil is dead already. cept for the uses in plastics and rubbers. But with Mills’ millsian software, they say we will be able to solve perfectly for new compounds. So maybe we wouldn’t even need oil for that.

          • mike

            in a century a few of them will still be showing formulas proving it is impossible. lol While a guy on a pc powered by this technology, will be looking at the formula.

  • Kwhilborn

    Who cares. If you agree that “The average scientist seems to have an I.Q. slightly less then a glass of cold water.”, then you are proving his point in that your own IQ is less than a glass of cold water.

    I happen to have many friends from my university days, and we were all in science oriented fields. This was a blanket insult to scientists in general and is STILL the most ignorant and stupid comment I have ever read in comments here. I now think George must be some kind of undereducated moron. Maybe you as well if you agree that “the average scientist seems to have an IQ less than a glass of cold water”.

  • Kwhilborn

    So what? People have been burning fingers on ecats since 2011 en masse. That does little to bring mainstream acceptance to this field. Nor will this report.

    You are making my point for me. You say only very stupid people would invest money based upon written words. That is not true. If those written words appear in NATURE MAGAZINE or some other highly regarded peer reviewed magazine they would be considered as fact.

    If Rossi gets published in NATURE MAGAZINE then his tech is mainstream.

    Antonio was happy this report would be conclusive, and I am saying I doubt that. What are you saying? That even if its inconclusive someone might burn themselves? I do not even see a coherent thought there.

  • RedRyder

    We have a theory of thermodynamics, some are brave enough to call it the Law of Thermodynamics. We make theory in Science not Law. It is best not to forget this fact, we must remain humble to nature. “If you write a Law it will be broken” and that is guaranteed. We have electrical theory not electrical Law. Electrical Theory is used to design your Cell Phone. It is theory and must be used to complete the design. If you were to follow the electrons in an electrical circuit and try and use that information to design it instead of using electrical theory to design it, only the design that used electrical theory would work correctly. For the electrons are doing something different than our theory suggests. but our theory makes designing the phone possible. Although what you are taught as theory is not happening in reality but, the theory works and works very well to make the predictions to complete the design.

    I see many trying to explain this reaction saying it can’t work for it doesn’t follow the “Law of Thermodynamics” Hummmm, I suggest you go back to calling it theory because it does seem to work. I suggest they take another look at it and use the generated photons from this reaction in a different way in the calculations. The photons are not an aftereffect of the reaction, they are part of the reaction. Releasing photons in an controlled way and at the correct time will help with control and stability of the reaction. How to release them and when, that is the $100 trillion dollar question.

    We wish you luck with finding the theory to explain it.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Who are you suggesting is or was a skeptic? I am kwhilborn but also post as Friendlyprogrammer. I hope it is not me you are suggesting was a skeptic, because I have been a hard core and very loud advocate for Rossi since early 2011 (The beginning).

    The top comment on this 2011 post is from me defending Rossi from Krivit.

    http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/17/rossi-rival-to-announce-cold-fusionlenr-findings/

    you can look at almost any significant LENR post since the beginning (2011 when he went public) and find I have been advocating LENR in the comments.

    I have written to Hybrid manufacturers, 60 minutes, W5, other news organizations, participated in science forums and maintain regular comments throughout Ecatworld and more LENR sites.

    If you suggest for one second I was a skeptic you are a huge liar.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    I will copy/Paste a previous comment to show a little of the common sense things I have seen in favor of the Ecat.

    – Andrea Rossi was very rich before worth $30 million USD. He did
    not run to hawaii (his Visa handed to him by The President of the United
    States), he continued environmental science. If his only concern was
    money he could have retired rich in his 30’s.

    – When Italys mafia
    took his waste management business by making his storage illegal
    (Apparently “The Mafia” reaches as far as Italy (who knew?), and they
    apparently like to control waste management in many countries) Andrea
    Rossi faced and beat all his Environment charges, when he could have hid
    in the U.S.A. (remember the VISA the President Carter gave him.).

    – All of Andrea Rossi science is common theme of environmental science.


    Many scam corporations think to raise money (scam) by selling shares.
    This scam was common with mining companies. Tell everyone you found a
    rich vein then sell shares then pay yourself a million in salary and go
    broke. Andrea Rossi has not sold or tried to sell any shares in
    Leonardo corporation. This would be easiest scam opportunity.

    – Andrea Rossi is immigrating to the US where anti fraud laws are extremely tough.

    – Andrea Rossi funded the first 5 years of this from his own pocket including hiring Focardi.

    Scammers have a history of using other peoples money for scams, and Andrea Rossi has used his own.

    Since
    Andrea Rossi made the Nickel/Hydrogen version of LENR popular in 2011,
    we have seen many unrelated labs confirm this is indeed possible and
    very effective. So he is on the right track according to many.

    These
    separate and unrelated entities all claim THEY have a working LENR
    device. Why would so many reputable corporations claim this? Toyota,
    NASA, Brillouin, George Miley, Patterson cell, Honda, Mitsubishi, Peter
    Hagelstein, Celani, MFMP, Defkalion, The Athanor creators. That is a
    dozen just off the top of my head that does not include the ecat device.


    He seems to be logically progressing. His best demo was 18 hours on an
    unstable product and Defkalion bailed on him because he could not do a
    48 hour run, but now he is running (confirmed) at much higher
    temperatuires for longer. If this was fake why did he not fake a 48
    hour run with Defkalion or when he was demonstrating in 2011. Are
    skeptics suggesting he has advanced his fakery in this time?

    – He has demonstrated publicly in front of many skeptics and geniuses many times during 2011.


    He did allow this recent team to evaluate the ecats with very
    impressive results, and DC input has also been ruled out. We must
    EITHER think there is criminal conspiracy among very impressive
    verifying team of scholars with reputations at stake, or accept the
    reality of the ecat.

    – Andrea Rossi did publish a paper on this
    (see his website) in 2010 but it was basically ignored, and all patents
    for anything suggestive of Cold Fusion have been banned. How would a
    normal person proceed?

    -He cannot get patents on this because of
    ban , but also has secret catalyst that is his advantage in market. How
    would anyone protect it?

    Look at the Zawodny videos on the NASA website.

    Rossi has never been poor. He could have gone to Margaritaville 20 years ago if he wanted to.

    As
    Forbes Magazine Mark gibbs says,”This is not, of course, the last word
    or even one anywhere near the end of this story but unless this is one
    of the most elaborate hoaxes in scientific history it looks like the
    world may well be about to change.”

    WHO KNEW THIS?
    Andrea Rossi has always been an achiever. As a teen he held the world record for distance running for two years in a row.
    Who
    here did not know Andrea Rossi was a world champion runner for 2
    consecutive years in a competition that required perseverance (24 hour
    runs).

    He is likely imho to go down in history as one of the men responsible for clean energy and will save millions of lives.

    I say we go easy on the guy. He has ALWAYS done what he said he would do. I think he is very, very, very, credible.”

    I could likely expand that into several chapters of other things I know and discuss his biofuel patent income, and his frequent DOD contracts, but the points are made.

    Rossi did not hide in America from his accusers in Italy. He returned and faced down every charge despite having a Visa handed to him by The President of The United States (Jimmy Carter).

    I think he has the goods, and have almost since I first researched him.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Also….
      Do not forget Rossis background and industry connections enables him to command a 6 digit salary or close to it if he chooses. The fact that he has opted to work on his own in his own facilities while hiring Focardi and others tell us he was financially fluent enough to do this. It also tells us he opted this over minimum half a million dollars in Salaries.

      He then moved moved to Florida and invested in Real Estate. This tells us he is not afraid of U.S. law which have the toughest anti fraud standards, and that he could afford a comfortable international move.

      A lot of Canadians retire in Florida. How many Italians do?

      Plus now we know 20+ others have their own devices. From The Patterson Cell to Jet Energy.

      Why would you not accept the opinion of Dennis Bushnell, The head Research Scientist of NASA Langley (200 miles from the new Rossi/IH location).

    • just a story for those who still image or even fear it is a fraud:
      Rossi have made test where the claimed energy was much above anything chemical.
      So it is IMPOSSIBLE it is hidden battery or hidden fuel.
      the fraud have thus to be done through tweaking the apparent input energy or the apparent output heat…

      so, there is no reason to be unable to fake for 48hours if you can fake for 18…

      moreover the characteristics of fraud is to provide perfect demo, and very good faked dataset, which is not the case with some terrific Rossi demo…

  • Bazza

    Any updates on this report? Has it been released?

  • mike

    in a century a few of them will still be showing formulas proving it is impossible. lol While a guy on a pc powered by this technology, will be looking at the formula.