LENR Patent Filed by Former Motorola Researcher, Others

Ron Kita at Vortex-l has discovered a new LENR patent application filed by Marc Chason of Marc Chason and Associates of Schaumburg, Illinois, who was formerly with Motorola Labs. The other inventors listed are Daniel Gaomota and Rick Latella.

The patent is for a “System and method for supplying hydrogen and deuterium to lenr and e-cat based energy generating systems”.

‘An approach for supplying hydrogen and/or deuterium to LENR and E-Cat based energy generating systems includes receiving a source material that is rich in hydrogen and/or deuterium. A gaseous form of at least one of those elements is extracted from the source material via electrochemical dissociation, hydrocarbon recovery, or a suitable mechanical process.’

I find it interesting that the filers not only mentioned LENR in the title, but also ‘E-Cat.’ Since the E-Cat has not yet had a patent application approved by the US patent office, it’s not clear to me if there will be an advantage in being so upfront about mentioning the technology in this application, but if the E-Cat is demonstrated to be valid and viable, there could well be more of these ancillary applications being filed — even if the E-Cat itself doesn’t get a patent approved.

  • Andreas Moraitis
    • Sanjeev

      Very strange. It has all the marks of a patent troll. I hope I’m wrong and Chason is probably associated with IH in some way for supplying a H generating subsystem for Ecat.
      The patent refers to Ecat and Larson’s (paper?) reactor as prior art. Does it become a prior art even if the patent for Ecat is not awarded ?
      We already know via Rossi that they are using an improved fuel injection for Ecat with solid Hydride substances. This patent will cause a problem for them.

      • Fortyniner

        I agree – this seems to be a fairly clear case of patent trolling. The application describes nothing original at all, and just seems to be an attempt to lay claim to virtually any process that extracts H2 or D2 from an unspecified ‘source material’ for supplying an e-cat. The ‘source material’ could even include the metal hydrides Rossi already uses.

        IH need to challenge this application on the grounds that ‘e-cat’ is a proprietory name. Without that specific reference, the patent could be demolished if granted, on the basis that nothing is described that is not already in the public domain (prior art).

        • Sanjeev

          D2 is mentioned to ‘cover all grounds’. The name Ecat is still not trademarked, as far as I know, so anyone is free to claim it. IH needs to act rather than hide in a closet.
          Just wanted to add that the headline of this article is not very accurate, this is no lenr patent.

      • Charles

        Hunh? Duh? Aw. Well I’ll be!

    • Fortyniner

      #3 is interesting. The device described seems to be a sort of deuterium fuelled Rossi reactor plus permanent magnets, but the theory presented is… novel.

      • GreenWin

        The author of #3 Pharis Williams is another NRL graduate. “Pharis Williams is a retired naval officer and a retired academician. He
        spent over thirty years in physics experimental and theoretical
        research at the US Naval Academy, the Los Alamos National Laboratory and
        at New Mexico Tech. Much of his experimental research was in weapons,
        shock physics and explosives while his theoretical research covered the
        entire range of physics from sub-nuclear through cosmology with emphasis
        on unifying the various branches of physics by showing they all stem
        from the same set of fundamental laws.
        http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Against-Pharis-E-Williams/dp/061526722X

        • Fortyniner

          His ‘inverted atom’ model certainly shows unrestricted thinking.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I remember that I stumbled upon one of Williams’ papers some time ago. This is indeed a very special concept. Neutrons are formed by protons orbiting around a “virtually static” electron… We know that a neutron can decay into a proton and an electron (plus an electron antineutrino) via beta minus decay. But is Williams’ hypothesis compatible with all the other known phenomena?

      • jousterusa

        Right on, Frank! Good find!

  • Andreas Moraitis
    • #3 is interesting. The device described seems to be a sort of deuterium fuelled Rossi reactor plus permanent magnets, but the theory presented is… novel.

      • GreenWin

        The author of #3 Pharis Williams is another NRL graduate. “Pharis Williams is a retired naval officer and a retired academician. He
        spent over thirty years in physics experimental and theoretical
        research at the US Naval Academy, the Los Alamos National Laboratory and
        at New Mexico Tech. Much of his experimental research was in weapons,
        shock physics and explosives while his theoretical research covered the
        entire range of physics from sub-nuclear through cosmology with emphasis
        on unifying the various branches of physics by showing they all stem
        from the same set of fundamental laws.
        http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Against-Pharis-E-Williams/dp/061526722X

        • His ‘inverted H atom’ model of a neutron certainly shows unrestricted thinking.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I remember that I stumbled upon one of Williams’ papers some time ago. This is indeed a very special concept. Neutrons are formed by protons orbiting around a “virtually static” electron… We know that a neutron can decay into a proton and an electron (plus an electron antineutrino) via beta minus decay. But is Williams’ hypothesis compatible with all the other known phenomena?

  • pg

    mmmh… don’t know about this one

  • pg

    mmmh… don’t know about this one

  • Ophelia Rump

    The benefit would be in suing Industrial Heat for patent infringement if they use that method.

    • GreenWin

      Not sure that Rossi’s patent applications pre-dating this and other applicants, would not be evidence of origination in a court of law. Trade Secret law is strong internationally providing protection of Rossi/IH catalyst formula. Appears to be a patent troll attempting to muddy the water and bring about a settlement (aka blackmail payment.)

      • Ophelia Rump

        I think you are correct about the pre-dating, however if the PO were to issue these patents, IH would be in the ugly position of having to take back their pre-eminence rather than defend it.

  • Ophelia Rump

    The benefit of mentioning the E-Cat would be in suing Industrial Heat for patent infringement if they use those methods.

    The first and third applications look like a fair description of the E-Cat. I get the sense that if those patents were granted, Industrial Heat and Rossi would probably be either shutout or extremely hamstrung. That could also lead to a deal, or lawsuits which drag on for decades.

    Or they might currently be Industrial Heat employees or stakeholders, which would be much more interesting, because then the patents would be directly applicable, and certainly correct descriptions of the Industrial Heat reactor.

    • GreenWin

      Not sure that Rossi’s patent applications pre-dating this and other applicants, would not be evidence of origination in a court of law. Trade Secret law is strong internationally providing protection of Rossi/IH catalyst formula. Appears to be a patent troll attempting to muddy the water and bring about a settlement (aka blackmail payment.)

      • Ophelia Rump

        I think you are correct about the pre-dating, however if the PO were to issue these patents, IH would be in the ugly position of having to take back their pre-eminence rather than defend it.

  • Marcus Haber

    I just read the Linkedin Profiles of the 3 authors of the patent.

    Turns out they r also players in the power generation business.

    Marc Chason is an experienced, creative Engineering Professional holding 23 US Patents, with
    success in building and leading high-performance multidisciplinary teams that
    deliver product solutions.

    Rick Latella is the Principal at SLS Enterprises Inc. which provide value added Green solutions that utilize
    Photovoltaic technology, LED Lighting solutions, Solar and Wind Energy
    generation systems, and state of the art Electronic Components. They are
    also members of the World Trade Council.

    Daniel Gamota is a proven managerial leader who has built
    relationships establishing strategic international partnerships with Fortune
    500 companies for high-tech ventures. Business professional with 20 years of
    experience leading high visibility corporate initiatives by building
    high-performance cross-functional teams that transformed R&D to commercial
    product platforms. Track record of leading new product development and product
    introduction teams that developed hardware & software innovations enabling
    the launch of high value market-defining products. Built organizations and
    mentored future leaders that developed and implemented cross-business corporate
    strategy by driving technology roadmapping, competitive intelligence, and
    technology assessment initiatives. Recognized technologist in the fields of
    manufacturing, microelectronics, nanotechnology, and printed electronics for
    which named IEEE Fellow. Established innovator (awarded 46 US patents) with
    deep appreciation for intellectual property and innovations portfolio
    development, valuation, and licensing. Quoted in The Economist, Business Week,
    Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun Times, and IEEE Spectrum.

    Gamota is also Chair of Nanotechnology Committee and Organic &
    Molecular Standards Working Group and he is the president of President
    Printovate Technologies, Inc.. Printovate Technologies is a leader in the field of large area electronics having established proprietary design rules, materials protocols, and manufacturing processes. Building upon a tradition of SMT assembly which saw product introductions that yielded annual multi-million unit shipments, Printovate Technologies leverages this experience with significant know-how in large area electronics design, process, and product development to produce an industry-leading IP portfolio encompassing patents, trade secrets, and know-how.

    Printovate Technologies provides product design, manufacturing design, and new product introduction services for clean-tech electronics products: lighting, communications, displays, memory systems, life sciences and renewable energy applications.

    (All texts above
    by courtesy of LinkedIn)

    They all have a Motorola background.

    Gamota worked there as the Director of Motorola Solutions from September 1993 till Dezember 2008.

    Chason worked there from 1983 till 2007. He was also the Director of Motorola Energy System from 94 to 98. After this he was the director of Motorola Labs, Physical Realization Research Center from 2000 till 2007. Motorola Labs had Programs in consumer electronics, product miniaturization, printed electronic technologies and nanotechnology.

    Latella worked there from 1981 till 2009 as a Sr. engineer.

    Reading all this data makes me think this is exactly the guys u wanna have in your team when you introduce a revolutionary new technology.

    Maybe the authors of this patent are some
    of the guys Rossi is working together with in his lab from IH?

  • Marcus Haber

    I just read the Linkedin Profiles of the 3 authors of the patent.

    Turns out they r also players in the power generation business.

    Marc Chason is an experienced, creative Engineering Professional holding 23 US Patents, with
    success in building and leading high-performance multidisciplinary teams that
    deliver product solutions.

    Rick Latella is the Principal at SLS Enterprises Inc. which provide value added Green solutions that utilize
    Photovoltaic technology, LED Lighting solutions, Solar and Wind Energy
    generation systems, and state of the art Electronic Components. They are
    also members of the World Trade Council.

    Daniel Gamota is a proven managerial leader who has built
    relationships establishing strategic international partnerships with Fortune
    500 companies for high-tech ventures. Business professional with 20 years of
    experience leading high visibility corporate initiatives by building
    high-performance cross-functional teams that transformed R&D to commercial
    product platforms. Track record of leading new product development and product
    introduction teams that developed hardware & software innovations enabling
    the launch of high value market-defining products. Built organizations and
    mentored future leaders that developed and implemented cross-business corporate
    strategy by driving technology roadmapping, competitive intelligence, and
    technology assessment initiatives. Recognized technologist in the fields of
    manufacturing, microelectronics, nanotechnology, and printed electronics for
    which named IEEE Fellow. Established innovator (awarded 46 US patents) with
    deep appreciation for intellectual property and innovations portfolio
    development, valuation, and licensing. Quoted in The Economist, Business Week,
    Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun Times, and IEEE Spectrum.

    Gamota is also Chair of Nanotechnology Committee and Organic &
    Molecular Standards Working Group and he is the president of President
    Printovate Technologies, Inc.. Printovate Technologies is a leader in the field of large area electronics having established proprietary design rules, materials protocols, and manufacturing processes. Building upon a tradition of SMT assembly which saw product introductions that yielded annual multi-million unit shipments, Printovate Technologies leverages this experience with significant know-how in large area electronics design, process, and product development to produce an industry-leading IP portfolio encompassing patents, trade secrets, and know-how.

    Printovate Technologies provides product design, manufacturing design, and new product introduction services for clean-tech electronics products: lighting, communications, displays, memory systems, life sciences and renewable energy applications.

    (All texts above
    by courtesy of LinkedIn)

    They all have a Motorola background.

    Gamota worked there as the Director of Motorola Solutions from September 1993 till Dezember 2008.

    Chason worked there from 1983 till 2007. He was also the Director of Motorola Energy System from 94 to 98. After this he was the director of Motorola Labs, Physical Realization Research Center from 2000 till 2007. Motorola Labs had Programs in consumer electronics, product miniaturization, printed electronic technologies and nanotechnology.

    Latella worked there from 1981 till 2009 as a Sr. engineer.

    Reading all this data makes me think this is exactly the guys u wanna have in your team when you introduce a revolutionary new technology.

    Maybe the authors of this patent are some
    of the guys Rossi is working together with in his lab from IH?

  • bachcole

    Probably just another patent troll.

    • Ophelia Rump

      That seems like a lot of very specific information is any of it new or surprising to someone with a deep understanding or the known mechanics?

      It seems to be very precise, is it informed, or just educated guesses?

  • bachcole

    Probably just another patent troll.

    • Ophelia Rump

      That seems like a lot of very specific information is any of it new or surprising to someone with a deep understanding or the known mechanics?

      It seems to be very precise, is it informed, or just educated guesses?

  • Sanjeev

    Very strange. It has all the marks of a patent troll. I hope I’m wrong and Chason is probably associated with IH in some way for supplying a H generating subsystem for Ecat.
    The patent refers to Ecat and Larson’s (paper?) reactor as prior art. Does it become a prior art even if the patent for Ecat is not awarded ?
    We already know via Rossi that they are using an improved fuel injection for Ecat with solid Hydride substances. This patent will cause a problem for them.

    • I agree – this seems to be a fairly clear case of patent trolling. It would be interesting to find out what the other 23 patents Mr Chason holds are about – I doubt there is a genuine invention among them.

      The application describes nothing original at all, and just seems to be an attempt to lay claim to virtually any process that extracts H2 or D2 from an unspecified ‘source material’ for supplying an e-cat. The ‘source material’ could easily be interpreted to include the metal hydrides Rossi already uses, as Sanjeev says. It is about as valid as attempting to patent the ‘idea’ of putting an isolating switch in the electricity supply to an e-cat (maybe I’ll write that up c/w little block diagram so I can file my application).

      If this was a bona fide application from the IH stable, I can’t see any reason why it would not have been filed in the name of IH itself. No company would allow an important aspect of their technology to be subject to a patent assigned to employees – even less, to associates or complete outsiders.

      I suppose there will be an increasing number of parasitic chancers who will try to second guess unprotected aspects of LENR reactor technology and attempt to patent them for a slice of the profits. I hope that the ‘Cherokee web’ includes a few high-powered patent lawyers, to scrape them off.

      • Sanjeev

        D2 is mentioned to ‘cover all grounds’. The name Ecat is still not trademarked, as far as I know, so anyone is free to claim it. IH needs to act rather than hide in a closet.
        Just wanted to add that the headline of this article is not very accurate, this is no lenr patent.

  • gioj
    • Fibb

      awesome. thx

      • Daniel Maris

        Great news – though I suppose the Skeps will focus on:

        FIRST USE DATE: NONE; — USE IN COMMERCE DATE: NONE

        No first use?

        • Ged

          They are just saying no one else has been using the device before they developed it, and it isn’t already in common use before this application, either in demonstration or industry. Such things would make the ability to patent an invention or process much more difficult.

          • Daniel Maris

            Are you sure? I am not familiar with trademark policy in the USA. Are you?

          • gioj

            i’ve posted up ,the meaning in law of “statement of use”.

            The statetement of us is a” sworn statement”.

    • BroKeeper

      The safety certification was denied before the USPTO NOTICE OF ALLOWANCE:

      Andrea Rossi
      November 7th, 2013 at 4:50 PM
      Duke Nukem:
      1- I do not decide the commercial strategy, which anyway is not changed
      substantially, as far as I know.
      2- The Hot Cats are not yet for sale
      3- The domestic E-Cats did not obtain the safety certification, which is
      necessary to put them for sale.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

    • gioj

      statement of use “in pill”:

      http://www.quizlaw.com/trademarks/what_is_a_statement_of_use.php

      ……..This statement of use is simply a sworn statement which attests to the fact that you have begun using the mark in commerce. When you file the statement of use, you must also file an appropriate specimen with the PTO……….

      • gioj

        specimen “in pill”:

        http://www.quizlaw.com/trademarks/what_is_a_specimen.php

        It is an item that serves as an example of a trademark in use, and evidence of the trademark’s use………Examples of appropriate specimens include a sample product packaging showing the mark being used on the package, or a photograph of the goods showing the use of the mark on the goods

  • gioj
    • Fibb

      awesome. thx

    • Brokeeper

      The safety certification was denied before the USPTO NOTICE OF ALLOWANCE:

      Andrea Rossi
      November 7th, 2013 at 4:50 PM
      Duke Nukem:
      1- I do not decide the commercial strategy, which anyway is not changed
      substantially, as far as I know.
      2- The Hot Cats are not yet for sale
      3- The domestic E-Cats did not obtain the safety certification, which is
      necessary to put them for sale.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

      But:
      Posted on February 26, 2013: http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/02/26/rossi-safety-certification-already-obtained-for-industrial-plants/
      Rossi: Safety Certification Already Obtained for Industrial Plants.

      4- we already got the safety certification
      From JoNP http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=785#comments

      • Andrew

        Yes he did explain that the domestic units would be some time before they get the safety cert. they need much more data and long running times in industry for a baseline on safety.

    • gioj

      statement of use “in pill”:

      http://www.quizlaw.com/trademarks/what_is_a_statement_of_use.php

      ……..This statement of use is simply a sworn statement which attests to the fact that you have begun using the mark in commerce. When you file the statement of use, you must also file an appropriate specimen with the PTO……….

      • gioj

        specimen “in pill”:

        http://www.quizlaw.com/trademarks/what_is_a_specimen.php

        It is an item that serves as an example of a trademark in use, and evidence of the trademark’s use………Examples of appropriate specimens include a sample product packaging showing the mark being used on the package, or a photograph of the goods showing the use of the mark on the goods

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Wasn’t Rossi already telling us we could avoid Hydrogen tanks by preloading the metals with Hydrogen. This is a fine example of how Rossi is asleep at the wheel and allowing others to patent his work. Even though we have heard Rossi say this was a great way to bypass having hydrogen tanks in our homes, he may one day need to pay Marc Chason for his idea.

    Maybe he will realize his ideas are not as protected as he thinks.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Yes. I know he was talking about it even before one year ago, but here is an article where Rossi uses same exact concept.

      http://coldfusionnow.org/pre-loaded-hydrogen-fuel-an-engineering-answer-for-efficiency-ease-and-safety/

      Rossi simply did not protect the idea.

    • Steve H

      My recollection is that this was in the form of a hydroxide – such as Lithium Hydroxide.

      I sincerely hope that our musings are in-correct or IH have already covered their IP with patents. We collectively may have given the game away via crowd-sourced mind games!

      • friendlyprogrammer

        No. Andrea Rossi was pre loading the metals with Hydrogen according to many articles at the time.

        i.e.

        “Rossi has, for safety reasons, eliminated the external
        hydrogen tank. His reactor now includes a source of hydrogen bound in
        molecules contained in a “tablet” which is sealed in the reactor. It is
        this tablet which releases the necessary hydrogen for the cold fusion
        reaction. It is this feature which is the focus of his most recent
        unpublished patent application.

        Once the cold fusion reaction stops, the hydrogen is recovered back
        into the tablet where it is either chemically stored or re-fixed
        somehow, available for future use. During the cold fusion reaction only a
        slight amount of hydrogen is consumed: pico-grams. The result is that
        his reactor will have a six-month lifetime without having any need for
        refurbishing.”

        From

        http://coldfusionnow.org/andrea-rossi-interview-of-march-12-2012/

        It continued…”His biggest barrier has been having the system certified for
        safety. He received great resistance to safety certification as long as
        he had been using an external bottle of hydrogen as the hydrogen source.
        The new tablet arrangement has overcome this problem.”

        I think this was common knowledge at the time, but its hard to search that long ago. Some websites are not even around now.

    • rj

      From what little I know about patent law, anything mentioned by Rossi and/or commenters on his blog would be regarded as disclosure and not be able to be patented. Not by anyone at all. That includes Rossi himself. I know that most business people in the area say that Trade Secret is a better protection than patent.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        No. I could file a patent for the same thing claiming I never heard of Rossi or his blog. A trade secret might apply to a recipe or things that cannot be patented.

        Marconi and Tesla performed many well witnessed radio experiments, but it boiled down to a patent.

        History really shows Marconi as the first person to actually make radio transmissions. He covered short distnces, then sent signals across the Atlantic both ways from Marconi House. Marconi even won a Nobel Physics prize for his work….. He was the first person to successfully apply the theories of wireless technology. In 1895, he sent out the first radio signal, which consisted of the single letter ‘S’. With this, he was granted the world’s first patent for the radio.

        But…

        With time, it was proved that many theories used in the making of a
        radio were actually first patented by Nikola Tesla. Therefore, in 1943,
        the government authorized the patent for the radio invention to Tesla.

        Patents are the protection. Keeping secrets will just make you lose the rights to inventions. Did Bell invent the Telephone? No. He was just first to patent it, and even that is contentious.

  • Charles

    Hunh? Duh? Aw. Well I’ll be!

  • Steve H

    My recollection is that this was in the form of a hydroxide – such as Lithium Hydroxide.

    I sincerely hope that our musings are in-correct or IH have already covered their IP with patents. We collectively may have given the game away via crowd-sourced mind games!

  • jousterusa

    Right on, Frank! Good find!

  • Omega Z

    Saw this recently elsewhere
    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20140099252.pdf

    Recall that Rossi already has this covered.
    Back when Rossi did the Pordenone presentation. Someone asked about his hydrogen deliver material. Rossi gave him contact information and said that he could license it.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Yes. I quoted an article where it is claimed Rossi has patented this. This is obviously a Troll on that, hoping Rossis will be incomplete.

      Rossi has, for safety reasons, eliminated the external
      hydrogen tank. His reactor now includes a source of hydrogen bound in
      molecules contained in a “tablet” which is sealed in the reactor. It is
      this tablet which releases the necessary hydrogen for the cold fusion
      reaction. It is this feature which is the focus of his most recent
      unpublished patent application.

  • Obvious

    JoNP Nov 9 2011
    Q: Dear Ing. Rossi
    looking forward to the time when e-cats will be in our homes, have you thought to a safer method to store hydrogen rather than liquid and compressed? It could also make certifications for a home usage of the e-cat more easy. For instance, I have heard about a safe method that uses “metallidruri”, metallic sponge that stores and delivers Hi.
    My best
    regards
    G…….

    A: Dear G…….:
    Yes this is an important issue. I know the Hydrogen-metal salts, but are not good for us. We are resolving with mini-tanks.
    Warm
    Regards,
    A.R.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Rossi resolved this long ago by devising method listed in patent above. Storing Hydrogen in tablets. Just Google Rossi Ecat Hydrogen Tablets, but I give a few links below in another comment. Your Letter from Rossi is from 2011.

      • Obvious

        I know it is old. I think it shows that these issues have been looked at and addressed a long time ago by Rossi. Most methods of delivering hydrogen are so old that nobody could patent them. Small capsules similar to N2 for whipped cream or CO2 for soda would probably work also, since the volume of H used is so low, and the reactor capsule is so small.

        • Obvious

          Found another good Rossi-ism:

          “Patents pending are like divisions of an army in movement: the less the enemy knows of them, the better.”

  • Obvious

    JoNP Nov 9 2011
    Q: Dear Ing. Rossi
    looking forward to the time when e-cats will be in our homes, have you thought to a safer method to store hydrogen rather than liquid and compressed? It could also make certifications for a home usage of the e-cat more easy. For instance, I have heard about a safe method that uses “metallidruri”, metallic sponge that stores and delivers Hi.
    My best
    regards
    G…….

    A: Dear G…….:
    Yes this is an important issue. I know the Hydrogen-metal salts, but are not good for us. We are resolving with mini-tanks.
    Warm
    Regards,
    A.R.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Rossi resolved this long ago by devising method listed in patent above. Storing Hydrogen in tablets. Just Google Rossi Ecat Hydrogen Tablets, but I give a few links below in another comment. Your Letter from Rossi is from 2011.

      • Obvious

        I know it is old. I think it shows that these issues have been looked at and addressed a long time ago by Rossi. Most methods of delivering hydrogen are so old that nobody could patent them. Small capsules similar to N2O for whipped cream or CO2 for soda would probably work also, since the volume of H used is so low, and the reactor capsule is so small.

        Edit: there is only 5 months difference between my quote and the interview.
        Edit 2: Rossi in the Ruby/Florida interview claims a patent on his H tablet.

        • Obvious

          Found another good Rossi-ism:

          “Patents pending are like divisions of an army in movement: the less the enemy knows of them, the better.”

  • gioj