Tom Darden Involved in Opening of Nickel-Hydrogen Energy Research Center in Tianjin China

Thanks to Julian Becker for finding this important news report from the Chinese Icebank web site about the establishment of a Nickel-Hydrogen Research Center in the Tianjin Huayuan Industrial Park in Tianjin, China. Tom Darden, CEO of Cherokee Investment Partners and Chairman of Industrial Heat, LLC was present at the opening ceremony held on April 16, 2014. Other officials mentioned as being present are:

“Academy of Science and Technology Development researcher Dr. Zhao Gang, chairman of green low-carbon energy planning Dean / High Energy Investment Group Daisi Jia Ling; U.S. representative package: California legislators Travis Allen, California parliamentary Chinese affairs adviser, JD Jeff Leader, Triangle Park, North Carolina”

The reasons for the establishment of the research center given are for both the environmental and economic benefits that nickel-hydrogen reactions provide. The article stresses the importance of the cooperation between the US and Chinese parties as follows (Google translated):

Tom Darden’s research team in the field of power generation reaction of nickel has many years of experience, both sides in respect of technical co-operation in the Chinese market applications in full compliance with China’s industry-oriented and advantages, can unleash America’s most sophisticated technological advantage, hoping the two sides ordered the pace of cooperation and achieve mutual benefit and win-win. Tom Darden as nickel-generation reactor technology representatives, will be free to put this technology transfer from the U.S. to China.

This seems to be an important development in Industrial Heat’s strategy of developing partnerships to roll out E-Cat technology. Darden apparently reported research findings at the meeting, as the article mentions that “final report of the pilot phase of the nickel reaction showed low temperature reaction of nickel is currently the lowest cost power generation technology and abundant raw material resources, alternative energy technologies.”

I wonder if Darden presented results of internal testing that Industrial Heat has been conducting — or if he is referring to other reports, such as the Levi report from last year. I would doubt that he presented the report from the independent testers that we are waiting for. Anyway, there seems to be a lot of serious interest in the E-Cat in China — but as usual no mention of this development in western press sources.

  • Buck

    Thank you Julian Becker . . . . truly remarkable news!

    It gives me the all consuming feeling of being that much closer to LENR success and commercial introduction

    • Vio Phile

      This is HUGE news in my opinion.

  • JDM

    I wonder how long it will be before Gov’t declares this a sensitive military technology that cannot be transferred legally to China?

    • Anom

      Don’t expect intelligent or informed decisions in energy generation from this government. The ones that put this muppet on power invested a whole lot on “green” energy, expecting to create a “green bubble” that would make them even more filthy rich, and they aren’t going to assume losses.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      If the government acknowledged LENR was real in any format I would be pleased.

      • Broncobet

        Arpa e asked for proposals of LENR energy production,$500,000 grant was offered.That’s from DOE.

  • Hope4dbest

    “but as usual no mention of this development in western press sources.” Considering that Darden did not send out press releases, it’s not fair to blame the media for ignoring news they did not know about.

    • GreenWin

      It’s more than fair. And another piece of evidence that “investigative reporters and journalists” have been replaced by PR firms in mainstream press. Pathetic.

    • Argon

      Maybe not fair in this specific case, but there ahs been enough buzz direct messages to media, press releases around LENR that they should be aware and independent enought to stand out and make an article or two, but none.
      Media is out from my search scenario when I want to learn something new or valuable. MIley Cyrus this Lagy Gaga that huh. Good by main media.

  • Hope4Dbest

    “but as usual no mention of this development in western press sources.” Considering that Darden did not send out press releases, it’s not fair to blame the media for ignoring news they did not know about.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      No. It’s fair. Mainstream media cares more about Bieber or Kardashians than science. Press releases have been issued enough, but simply are ignored.

    • GreenWin

      It’s more than fair. And another piece of evidence that “investigative reporters and journalists” have been replaced by PR firms in mainstream press. Pathetic.

    • Argon

      Maybe not fair in this specific case, but there ahs been enough buzz direct messages to media, press releases around LENR that they should be aware and independent enought to stand out and make an article or two, but none.
      Media is out from my search scenario when I want to learn something new or valuable. MIley Cyrus this Lagy Gaga that huh. Good by main media.

  • Gordon Docherty

    excellent news for LENR research and for working on reducing pollution to improve living standards for all.

  • Gordon Docherty

    excellent news for LENR research and for working on reducing pollution to improve living standards for all.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    This is a good thing. China is very rich, and could benefit over Russia and the USA for this technology both of whom are making Trillions off of Gas taxing.

    This does seem to reference the unreleased report… Hmmmm…

    This shows the Governments are aware of LENR, but it is a surprising role reversal to see China leading the way with R&D.

  • Curbina

    The mention of test results IMHO could well be refering to the Levi et al report, which IMHO was good enough to get money involved in the e-cat. This is great news altogether.

    • bachcole

      The Levi report should have been enough for anyone except: http://www.edconrad.com/pics/TightFit.jpg

      • Sanjeev

        Technology transfer of Ecat to China is a big news. Unless the translated para means something else entirely.
        I guess it will offer some protection of IP, since it will come under Chinese laws. It may also be a part of the investor agreement. It definitely means that there will be some sort of manufacturing or R&D in China.
        Its sad that there is a complete media blackout on such news and IH or Cherokee also do not hold meetings or events in the west.

        • LENR G

          It may mean no more than Industrial Heat having an office in their new research park. I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves. Let’s wait for more concrete info.

          • Freethinker

            You may be right,
            but I will go with Sanjeev on this.

            Thinking about the amount of work you but in to make a new tech emerge, would you spend so much time in China in the very context of the tech, if you did not have any real and immediate intention?

            I think (my 25 cent worth) it will be :
            1. Much easier to get ecat energy production facilities online there.
            2. Inexpensive production of ecats (if so only for the local market)
            3. It may be easier to do both 1 and 2 and keep a low profile in China, being inaccessible to the competition outside China. Especially if you have full cooperation from the authorities.

            As always, lets not get ahead of ourselves, but personally I think this is way much more than just office space in a “hot” tech-park.

          • ecatworld

            I was a bit surprised that this new ‘research center’ is located in Tianjin, and not Baoding where the Industrial Park is. They are about 120 miles apart. I wonder what it all means — I have contacted Industrial Heat and asked if they can provide us with some more information.

          • Owen Geiger

            A recent blog post said Darden was among the dignitaries at the opening ceremony and spoke at the event. So IH is deeply involved in this new research park.

            Since IH is a lead player in this I believe they shared the summary of the most recent report. Why would IH give them year old results that everyone already knows?

          • Ophelia Rump

            Because the new report does not exist yet.

          • Owen Geiger

            There’s no public report, but Darden knows the outcome. I believe he’s sharing a summary of the results to key players.

          • Omega Z

            Darden’s Group don’t need no sticking test report.

            They Got the Real Deal & know all they need to know without it. I’m sure they’ve had many of the best in the Research Triangle already involved.
            The 3rd party test would just be for independent verification.
            Some added credibility.

          • Owen Geiger

            Of course Darden knows. My point is 3rd party testing would help convince Chinese investors to sink big money into this. It sounds like IH has been successful.

          • Bernie777

            I agree, we are missing big parts of the puzzle, If LENR is as important as we think it is, the move into China simply could not be made without the blessing of the US government and this would mean all levels of the government including the Pentagon.

          • LENR G

            Not so sure. The wall of disbelief is very thick and high with this technology. While it’s clear that NASA, some parts of DoD and some legislators are aware of and excited about LENR, I wonder if that’s as far as it goes. I hope others are aware and if I had to bet I would bet yes, but it’s just not clear.

          • Omega Z

            It’s hard to decipher some of the Translation, But some of the wording if it can be trusted is that IH/Cherokee/Darden have been Allowed to share this technology with the Chinese.

            So, An Approval at some higher level.

            I’m doing some checking on Obama’s recent trip to China. Seems I recall a discussion of the Chinese R&D Technology park.

          • Omega Z

            I guess Obama Skipped China on his last Asian Excursion.
            And Biden hasn’t been there since December.

          • Omega Z

            There will be a great need for many components.
            As I’ve stated before, This development will be a Hugh Task and will require multiple Nations involved. And Still, It will take decades to implement.

            All Most here see is the E-cat Reactor. Though it is the Most Important factor, It is actually a very small component of the whole.
            Similar to a small brass orifice in a high tech furnace or the carburetor/fuel injector of a car. A small single part of a much larger product.

          • LENR G

            I think you are right. I’ve thought, since this Chinese connection came up, that their ideal role would be inexpensive mass production but not much to do with the reactor itself. It may be that final assembly and introduction of the powder charge never happens on Chinese soil.

            But they could make billions just mass producing the components/shell.

          • GreenWin

            This is a scenario occurring to me also. Component manufacturing in China, with no IP transfer. Final assembly and test in US – possibly Travis Allen’s district in sourthern California.

          • winebuff

            It could be that rossi is much farther ahead on the R-D side and will build lower power units in china.

        • Ophelia Rump

          All other nations need to do as put up the money. I am sure the IH and Cherokee would license to American interests.

          • Omega Z

            U.S. Politicians are aware. 1 was in China with Darden.
            “License to American interests.”
            Probably already in the Works. Siemens, GE, Etc…

        • jjaroslav

          This is perfect end run around the Fossil fuel cartels and their various government protectors, and it also coops the Chinese threat to patent infringement. Very smart…..unless the Chinese partners are a trap….

        • hotaircat

          It’s important to remember that Chinese media are highly “mediated” by government oversight. So what the article expresses is likely what the Chinese government wants it to express. Until we hear an audio recording of Darden’s remarks we know very little about what he actually said with respect to licencing or anything else, let alone what is in the contracts.

          Also note that the Chinese regime is very handy with attempting to create facts on the ground (or at sea) through publishing documents and making pronouncements that no one else agrees with, and in situations where the regime acknowledges no forum for negotiation.

          Then there’s the very old trick of saying “so, we have a deal yes?” in a public situation, where it’s hard to say “no, not exactly.”

          I think it’s good for IH to work with China, to both prompt and evade the rest of the world. I hope and suspect Darden is savvy enough to know that he’s dancing with a dragon.

      • Curbina

        I agree. But it was not enough to the officials to whom I sent a proposal for a small grant here in my country. They turned down the grant application (which was largely supported by quoting the Levi et al as the most recent paper in the state of the art) saying: “it is not clear which is the innovative component in your proposal”. I was asking money for a small research grant (to build a proof of concept similar to what the MFMP are doing).

    • artefact

      They made more than halfe a year tests on their own. Lot of things to report.

  • Curbina

    The mention of test results IMHO could well be refering to the Levi et al report, which IMHO was good enough to get money involved in the e-cat. This is great news altogether.

    • bachcole

      The Levi report should have been enough for anyone except: http://www.edconrad.com/pics/TightFit.jpg

      • Curbina

        I agree. But it was not enough to the officials to whom I sent a proposal for a small grant here in my country. They turned down the grant application (which was largely supported by quoting the Levi et al as the most recent paper in the state of the art) saying: “it is not clear which is the innovative component in your proposal”. I was asking money for a small research grant (to build a proof of concept similar to what the MFMP are doing).

    • artefact

      They made more than halfe a year tests on their own. Lot of things to report.

  • bachcole

    Conversation with my son:

    Dad: “You know I mentioned a while back that Rossi and his buds were talking to the Chinese?”
    Son: “Yeah”
    Dad: “They aren’t talking anymore. They’re digging, breaking ground, starting to build. The Chinese call it ‘nickel hydrogen’ reaction. I guess they have trouble pronouncing the letter ‘L'”

    Actually, it is the Japanese who can’t pronounce the letter ‘L’, but I didn’t remember that until after my son and I smiled at each other and cheered in our hearts.

  • bachcole

    Conversation with my son:

    Dad: “You know I mentioned a while back that Rossi and his buds were talking to the Chinese?”
    Son: “Yeah”
    Dad: “They aren’t talking anymore. They’re digging, breaking ground, starting to build. The Chinese call it ‘nickel hydrogen’ reaction. I guess they have trouble pronouncing the letter ‘L'”

    Actually, it is the Japanese who can’t pronounce the letter ‘L’, but I didn’t remember that until after my son and I smiled at each other and cheered in our hearts.

  • LENR G

    I find any confirmation that Industrial Heat is still behind the technology to be extremely encouraging. If they made a big mistake or discovered Rossi had made a big mistake they’d have buried it by now. And they certainly would have discovered any collosal mistake after a year and a half.

    All of the evidence continues to pile up in favor of the E-Cat.

    But when????

    WHEN???

    • Curbina

      We all know is “in june”. If past behaviour is a good predictor of future, Note befor June 21st I’m afraid.

      • LENR G

        I’m not convinced that the release of the 3rd party report = LENR’s coming out party. I think there’s a 50/50 chance it makes little overt impact. It all depends how IH behaves and if they run with it and make themselves impossible to ignore… with partnerships larger companies and at the very least beta testing of a product by early adopters or labs. If they continue to slow roll it then we’ll be in pretty much the same place, only with a beefier report behind us.

        • Ophelia Rump

          I would be amazed if there were any more reaction than the last report.
          I think you are a generous person giving it 50/50.

          • Daniel Maris

            I don’t know. I agree with LENR G I think. A lot depends on IH. A non-peer reviewed report on Arvix (?) won’t have much impact. But if the technology is real and IH put a lot of effort into demonstrating how real it is then things might change.

            But IH might simply be focussed on the objective of reducing CO2 and “saving the planet”.

            If they pull that off then I think Darden will be in the running for the Nobel Peace Prize.

          • Julian Becker

            Rossi for Physics then (and for Chemistry showing it is NOT a Chemical process)

          • Giuliano Bettini

            “Ansaldo Energia: the Chinese are coming”. But just by chance.. 🙂
            “…for the development of a new technology of gas turbine”. But just by chance.. 🙂

            “…have been set up two joint ventures in China between Ansaldo and SEC with the aim of producing gas turbines for the Asian markets and set up a R & D center in Shanghai. Both in close connection with the plant of Genoa (“stabilimento”) with whom there is also a cooperation
            project for the development of a new technology of gas turbine.”

            http://www.ilgiornaleditalia.org/news/economia-finanza/854728/Ansaldo-Energia–arrivano-i-cinesi.html

            GreenWin • 9 months ago
            “Ansaldo is the Italian energy division of Finmeccanica SpA, Italy’s defense industry leader. Ansaldo has been a supporter of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat and LENR in general. They sent an executive to speak on the LENR Panel at NI Week”. But just by chance.. 🙂

  • I find any confirmation that Industrial Heat is still behind the technology to be extremely encouraging. If they made a big mistake or discovered Rossi had made a big mistake they’d have buried it by now. And they certainly would have discovered any collosal mistake after a year and a half.

    All of the evidence continues to pile up in favor of the E-Cat.

    But when????

    WHEN???

    • Curbina

      We all know is “in june”. If past behaviour is a good predictor of future, Note befor June 21st I’m afraid.

      • I’m not convinced that the release of the 3rd party report = LENR’s coming out party. I think there’s a 50/50 chance it makes little overt impact. It all depends how IH behaves and if they run with it and make themselves impossible to ignore… with partnerships with larger companies and at the very least beta testing of a product by early adopters or labs. If they continue to slow roll it then we’ll be in pretty much the same place, only with a beefier report behind us.

        • Ophelia Rump

          I would be amazed if there were any more reaction than the last report.
          I think you are a generous person giving it 50/50.

  • Ophelia Rump

    When China wants to roll something out, they roll it out. Stand in the way and they will roll it right over you.

    I wonder how long it will take for them to start rolling product out the doors?

    The horses have left the gate!

    • LENR G

      I don’t think it’s clear that China has any actual control here. Things will be done on Industrial Heat’s timetable, unless China steals their tech or strongarms them.

      • Ophelia Rump

        From the wording it sounds like the Chinese have licensed the technology and are opening a production facility. They are likely also doing product development.

        Those are the aspects of the Chinese contribution which were highlighted.

        Do you really think that IH would wish to inhibit China’s launch? I do not.

        • LENR G

          Maybe but technology transfer can mean anything from a bi-monthly phone call and moral support to working in lock step to conquer the entire Asian market via joint product development.

          I didn’t get the degree of cooperation that you did out of this particular news article. You might be right (I hope you’re right) but I don’t want to start assuming things based on Chinese translations from unknown media sources.

          • Ophelia Rump

            I just take it to mean China has purchased the rights to design products and market them in exchange for assets.

            When you do that, you need to supply instructions on how to reproduce the effect. Which we know Rossi has already provided to IH.

            IH has successfully built and sent off for testing devices which they produced and made to work following Rossi’s instructions.

            Consider that set of instructions and communications Rossi’s first commercially viable LENR product, and perhaps his greatest asset.

        • Omega Z

          You over estimate the E-cats abilities at this time.
          China will use it as a local grid Government owned facility.
          Or Possibly Investor owned, of which many will be Government Cronies.

          Regardless, Home systems are down the road many years. It’s the nature of the E-cat technology at this time.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      There has been an event in March 2014 at Fuqua School of Business with Tom Darden as one of the participants (possibly old news):

      http://blogs.fuqua.duke.edu/edgenotes/2014/03/28/exploring-chinas-cleantech-opportunities

      • GreenWin

        This is an interesting group. Along with Tom Darden is Dan Vermeer, director of Duke’s EDGE program. Dan was previously director of Coca Cola’s Global Water Challenge, a program to educate emerging populations about safe water. This program has expanded greatly and given the needs of 1.2B people lacking safe water – which directly impacts global health – a timely one.

        One impediment to clean, fresh water is cost of energy. Water purification and desalination systems are energy intensive. Along with refrigeration, zero-carbon cook stoves, safe water is a primary necessity for underserved populations. Hopefully Tom and Dan are acquainted and have exchanged ideas. Portable, clean, low cost energy is key to all global health initiatives. LENR provides that, and should be recognized and funded by any institution claiming to serve global health.

        • Bernie777

          GreenWin…..Good post, it will be very interesting to see which countries, people, companies and institutions will embrace LENR once the break out occurs.

        • jousterusa

          You really make some interesting points! Thank you!

      • ecatworld

        Thanks, Andreas –The meeting was billed as ‘Cleantech in China: Energy, Environment and Innovation. There’s no video or transcript of the session that I can find, unfortunately.

        It’s funny that the profile of Tom Darden as one of the speakers gives no indication of his involvement with Industrial Heat.

        “Tom Darden is the Chief Executive Officer of the Raleigh, NC-based investment firm Cherokee. For more than two decades, Cherokee’s executive team has produced strong financial returns while delivering positive environmental and social results, focusing on brownfield redevelopment and cleantech private equity investing. Its partnership McDonough Cherokee Advisors (MCA) provides high-level advisory services to Western enterprises interested in operating in China, with expertise in brownfield remediation, environmental technology, urban planning, strategic consulting, venture capital and private equity. MCA’s mission is to create lasting ecological, social and environmental value while helping to address important environmental challenges facing both China and the world. Tom earned a JD from Yale Law School and an MRP in environmental planning and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar.”

  • GreenWin

    Er, hello US Dept. of Energy?? Is anybody home? Anybody…??

    • Buck

      Well, their friends over at the EPA are finding some reason to feel emboldened and are considering a deep change in disclosure requirements on the questionable chemical stew used in fracking.
      LINK>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/09/us-usa-fracking-epa-idUSBREA480FS20140509

      IMO, this has the potential for starting a political and legal firestorm considering what independent 3rd parties have tested in purloined fracking fluids and the amount of $$$ generated by the fracking industry.

      It makes me wonder if the prospect of a LENR energy revolution has contributed to a change in the negotiating strength of each player.

      • GreenWin

        Earthjustice has pushed for the boldness to EPA’s credit – it’s their job. LENR will eventually (mid-term) obviate NG for energy generation. But it appears essential for the transition away from coal and oil-based thermal plants.

        The $300B New York State Pension Fund is poised to join Stanford in divesting their coal equity. “In the past three years, a portfolio of U.S. coal stocks, including the nation’s leading companies – Peabody Energy, Alpha Natural Resources, Cloud Peak Energy and Arch
        Coal– has declined by 61%, at a time when the Russell 3000 Index has
        increased by 47%.

        There is a lot of movement away from fossil/fission now. Like musical chairs, some investors are going to get stuck with stranded assets. Refusal of the western press to disclose LENR is tantamount to insider trading IMO.

        • Buck

          We get to enjoy watching this slow ‘invisible’ transition.

          Regarding the EPA: considering how long it takes for the government to go through the Rule Change procedure, the timing may just be perfect to help propel LENR forward and force a change in the Fracking Industry.

      • Ophelia Rump

        I just assume that if the govt allows them to pour undisclosed chemicals into the earth, that they use the most toxic hazardous waste someone is willing to pay them handsomely to dispose of.

        It kills two birds with one stone, and is a profit going in and coming out. (Don’t eat the birds.)

        • Buck

          Ophelia, I had not thought of that angle. However, it makes all the $$$ sense in a dark predatory world of capitalism.

          Presumably, it will be up to the very well paid corporate attorneys and lobbyists to negotiate some level of indemnity for those who pumped the poisons. Though, I do wonder about new “Erin Brockovich’s” working to build the case of wanton disregard for the destroyed human lives.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Buck, by the time most of those poisons have leached their way into the aquifers or found another way out, the guilty will be long dead. I pity future generations. Perhaps with an almost limitless energy supply it will become possible to clean up the mess.

        • Daniel Maris

          I get the impression Darden and his associates are true believers in the devastating effects of global warming (personally I am more agnostic whilst adhering to a strong precautionary principle). If you are a true believer in that then their strategy makes absolute sense – to save the world you have to stop China and then other manufacturers from pumping out CO2.

          It appears that Darden believes the E Cat is the solution. But we don’t know yet what he’s basing that on. It would be great to know! Is it last year’s tests, this year’s tests, or some truly independent assessment undertaken by their own technicians?

          • Omega Z

            I Don’t care if Darden believers in the devastating effects of global warming if it fires him up to get this show a going…

    • Barry8

      I wonder Greenwin, if Darden is purposely making a brilliant move, forcing the US take notice. For an American company finding another country (China of all places) to spearhead their technology and beat the US in advancing CF will surely rile many CEO’s and politicians. Seems like a good shame tactic.

  • Ophelia Rump

    When China wants to roll something out, they roll it out. Stand in the way and they will roll it right over you.

    I wonder how long it will take for them to start rolling product out the doors?

    The horses have left the gate!

    • I don’t think it’s clear that China has any actual control here. Things will be done on Industrial Heat’s timetable, unless China steals their tech or strongarms them.

      • Ophelia Rump

        From the wording it sounds like the Chinese have licensed the technology and are opening a production facility. They are likely also doing product development.

        Those are the aspects of the Chinese contribution which were highlighted.

        Do you really think that IH would wish to inhibit China’s launch? I do not.

        At any rate I was referring to inhibitory processes which exist in the US, like the certification process for home use. Home versions will be everywhere in China.
        There is no nation as responsive as China. They move with efficiency and precision.

        • Maybe but technology transfer can mean anything from a bi-monthly phone call and moral support to working in lock step to conquer the entire Asian market via joint product development.

          I didn’t get the degree of cooperation that you did out of this particular news article. You might be right (I hope you’re right) but I don’t want to start assuming things based on Chinese translations from unknown media sources.

          • Ophelia Rump

            I just take it to mean China has purchased the rights to design products and market them in exchange for assets.

            When you do that, you need to supply instructions on how to reproduce the effect. Which we know Rossi has already provided to IH.

            IH has successfully built and sent off for testing devices which they produced and made to work following Rossi’s instructions.

            Consider that set of instructions and communications Rossi’s first commercially viable LENR product, and perhaps his greatest asset.

        • Omega Z

          You over estimate the E-cats abilities at this time.
          China will use it as a local grid Government owned facility.
          Or Possibly Investor owned, of which many will be Government Cronies.

          Regardless, Home systems are down the road many years. It’s the nature of the E-cat technology at this time.

  • GreenWin

    Er, hello US Dept. of Energy?? Is anybody home? Anybody…??

    • Buck

      Well, their friends over at the EPA are finding some reason to feel emboldened and are considering a deep change in disclosure requirements on the questionable chemical stew used in fracking.
      LINK>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/09/us-usa-fracking-epa-idUSBREA480FS20140509

      IMO, this has the potential for starting a political and legal firestorm considering what independent 3rd parties have tested in purloined fracking fluids and the amount of $$$ generated by the fracking industry.

      It makes me wonder if the prospect of a LENR energy revolution has contributed to a change in the negotiating strength of each player.

      • GreenWin

        Earthjustice has pushed for the boldness to EPA’s credit – it’s their job. LENR will eventually (mid-term) obviate NG for energy generation. But it appears essential for the transition away from coal and oil-based thermal plants.

        The $300B New York State Pension Fund is poised to join Stanford in divesting their coal equity. “In the past three years, a portfolio of U.S. coal stocks, including the nation’s leading companies – Peabody Energy, Alpha Natural Resources, Cloud Peak Energy and Arch
        Coal– has declined by 61%, at a time when the Russell 3000 Index has
        increased by 47%.

        There is a lot of movement away from fossil/fission now. Like musical chairs, some investors are going to get stuck with stranded assets. Refusal of the western press to disclose LENR is tantamount to insider trading IMO.

        • Buck

          We get to enjoy watching this slow ‘invisible’ transition.

          Regarding the EPA: considering how long it takes for the government to go through the Rule Change procedure, the timing may just be perfect to help propel LENR forward and force a change in the Fracking Industry.

      • Ophelia Rump

        I just assume that if the govt allows them to pour undisclosed chemicals into the earth, that they use the most toxic hazardous waste someone is willing to pay them handsomely to dispose of.

        It kills two birds with one stone, and is a profit going in and coming out. (Don’t eat the birds.)

        • Buck

          Ophelia, I had not thought of that angle. However, it makes all the $$$ sense in a dark predatory world of capitalism.

          Presumably, it will be up to the very well paid corporate attorneys and lobbyists to negotiate some level of indemnity for those who pumped the poisons. Though, I do wonder about new “Erin Brockovich’s” working to build the case of wanton disregard for the destroyed human lives.

          LINK>> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gasland/
          LINK>> http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70129353?sod=search-autocomplete

          • Ophelia Rump

            Buck, by the time most of those poisons have leached their way into the aquifers or found another way out, the guilty will be long dead. I pity future generations. Perhaps with an almost limitless energy supply it will become possible to clean up the mess.

            There are exceptions of course, places where Natural Gas is coming out of the ground and into well water already. Those places are probably already toxic, aside from the NG in the water.

    • I wonder Greenwin, if Darden is purposely making a brilliant move, forcing the US take notice. For an American company finding another country (China of all places) to spearhead their technology and beat the US in advancing CF will surely rile many CEO’s and politicians. Seems like a good shame tactic.

  • Matt Sevrens

    Finally some real news

  • Matt Sevrens

    Finally some real news

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Why does the North Carolina firm want “serious interest from China”. It’s an economic death wish in terms of any hope that the world-scale production of Rossi reactors might be centered in America. That voracious economic juggernaut will gobble the trade up fly away with it, giving the absolute minimum back.
    They used to sell (maybe they still do) pirated American movies (on DVDs) on their streets without any kind of active interference from their police (read “government”). That small case of pirating is absolutely indicative of where they stand and how they act.
    If an American firm wishes to participate with someone in developing the greatest invention in history, why not with our brothers in England where Democracy and fair play flourishes–relatively speaking, I mean?
    Of course all of the above assumes that the tests do confirm that a properly functioning reactor with a good cop exists. As Rossi has said over and over, the tests could be negative.

    • Ophelia Rump

      All other nations need to do as put up the money. I am sure the IH and Cherokee would license to American interests.

      • Omega Z

        U.S. Politicians are aware. 1 was in China with Darden.
        “License to American interests.”
        Probably already in the Works. Siemens, GE, Etc…

  • Sanjeev

    Technology transfer of Ecat to China is a big news. Unless the translated para means something else entirely.
    I guess it will offer some protection of IP, since it will come under Chinese laws. It may also be a part of the investor agreement. It definitely means that there will be some sort of manufacturing or R&D in China.
    Its sad that there is a complete media blackout on such news and IH or Cherokee also do not hold meetings or events in the west.

    • It may mean no more than Industrial Heat having an office in their new research park. I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves. Let’s wait for more concrete info.

      • Freethinker

        You may be right,
        but I will go with Sanjeev on this.

        Thinking about the amount of work you put in to make a new tech emerge, would you spend so much time in China in the very context of the tech, if you did not have any real and immediate intention?

        I think (my 25 cent worth) it will be :
        1. Much easier to get ecat energy production facilities online there.
        2. Inexpensive production of ecats (if so only for the local market)
        3. It may be easier to do both 1 and 2 and keep a low profile in China, being inaccessible to the competition outside China. Especially if you have full cooperation from the authorities.

        As always, lets not get ahead of ourselves, but personally I think this is way much more than just office space in a “hot” tech-park.

        • Frank Acland

          I was a bit surprised that this new ‘research center’ is located in Tianjin, and not Baoding where the Industrial Park is. They are about 120 miles apart. I wonder what it all means — I have contacted Industrial Heat and asked if they can provide us with some more information.

      • Owen Geiger

        A recent blog post said Darden was among the dignitaries at the opening ceremony and spoke at the event. So IH is deeply involved in this new research park.

        Since IH is a lead player in this I believe they shared the summary of the most recent report. Why would IH give them year old results that everyone already knows?

        • Ophelia Rump

          Because the new report does not exist yet.

          • Owen Geiger

            There’s no public report, but Darden knows the outcome. I believe he’s sharing a summary of the results with key players.

          • Omega Z

            Darden’s Group don’t need no sticking test report.

            They Got the Real Deal & know all they need to know without it. I’m sure they’ve had many of the best in the Research Triangle already involved.
            The 3rd party test would just be for independent verification.
            Some added credibility.

          • Owen Geiger

            Of course Darden knows. My point is 3rd party testing would help convince Chinese investors to sink big money into this. It sounds like IH has been successful.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        I agree, we are missing big parts of the puzzle, If LENR is as important as we think it is, the move into China simply could not be made without the blessing of the US government and this would mean all levels of the government including the Pentagon.

        • Not so sure. The wall of disbelief is very thick and high with this technology. While it’s clear that NASA, some parts of DoD and some legislators are aware of and excited about LENR, I wonder if that’s as far as it goes. I hope others are aware and if I had to bet I would bet yes, but it’s just not clear.

          • Omega Z

            It’s hard to decipher some of the Translation, But some of the wording if it can be trusted is that IH/Cherokee/Darden have been Allowed to share this technology with the Chinese.

            So, An Approval at some higher level.

            I’m doing some checking on Obama’s recent trip to China. Seems I recall a discussion of the Chinese R&D Technology park.

          • Omega Z

            I guess Obama Skipped China on his last Asian Excursion.
            And Biden hasn’t been there since December.

      • Omega Z

        There will be a great need for many components.
        As I’ve stated before, This development will be a Hugh Task and will require multiple Nations involved. And Still, It will take decades to implement.

        All Most here see is the E-cat Reactor. Though it is the Most Important factor, It is actually a very small component of the whole.
        Similar to a small brass orifice in a high tech furnace or the carburetor/fuel injector of a car. A small single part of a much larger product.

        • I think you are right. I’ve thought, since this Chinese connection came up, that their ideal role would be inexpensive mass production but not much to do with the reactor itself. It may be that final assembly and introduction of the powder charge never happens on Chinese soil.

          But they could make billions just mass producing the components/shell.

          • GreenWin

            This is a scenario occurring to me also. Component manufacturing in China, with no IP transfer. Final assembly and test in US – possibly Travis Allen’s district in sourthern California.

          • winebuff

            It could be that rossi is much farther ahead on the R-D side and will build lower power units in china.

    • hotaircat

      It’s important to remember that Chinese media are highly “mediated” by government oversight. So what the article expresses is likely what the Chinese government wants it to express. Until we hear an audio recording of Darden’s remarks we know very little about what he actually said with respect to licencing or anything else, let alone what is in the contracts.

      Also note that the Chinese regime is very handy with attempting to create facts on the ground (or at sea) through publishing documents and making pronouncements that no one else agrees with, and in situations where the regime acknowledges no forum for negotiation.

      Then there’s the very old trick of saying “so, we have a deal yes?” in a public situation, where it’s hard to say “no, not exactly.”

      I think it’s good for IH to work with China, to both prompt and evade the rest of the world. I hope and suspect Darden is savvy enough to know that he’s dancing with a dragon.

  • Paul

    The chinese road is a smart choice for IH, as in the majority of the Western countries, with only a few exceptions, they would be “blocked” in some way by the lobbies, this is not so difficult to forecast… However, the price to pay would be… be copied very soon: in China the protection of IP by a Western company is pratically impossible, also for big players.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Not for a Chinese Company selling in China. There will be plenty of protection.
      Do you doubt that part of the deal is a stake in the company? IH and Cherokee will get their cut. Darden is experienced in that market.

      • Paul

        Of course, but the IP would become chinese… and bye bye! There are many example of chinese companies who have stolen IP, in varous ways (for example, a contract broken), without any possible legal reaction by the Western IP owners. Moreover, this is not a normal technology, is “a revolutionary technology”, so every mean is allowed for having it. Also a joint-venture would not be a sure option.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Do you seriously think that Darden sold the IP to the goose that lays the golden eggs?

          He just licensed its use to a major customer. It is not drama, it is business.

    • Beside the fear of stealing IP, where I give no more trust in Chinese government than in US or French government, at worst I can fear varied competences, I feel you are right.

      If Chinese, and the emerging and late emerging world, use and why not master cold fusion, the lobbies of statu quo will be inefficient.
      Lobbies is the basic of our democracies.
      lobbies , now I know it, are not so efficients because of nasty capitalism – capitalism who would eat lobbyists childrens – but because of compassionate demagogy.

      If emerging world use cold fusion, the western demagogies will know they will be toasted whenever they want to save their incumbent industries, their voters, and the capitalist that are in symbiosis with that system.

      Today I know LENR innovators who sells LENR to CTO, not as an opportunity to make money (they don’t need it), but as a risk of getting bankrupt in few month because their market will be frozen quickly.

      If chinese enter the LENR bandwagon, all big corps will know that they will have weeks to show a LENR strategy to their shareholders, and that every month until they have a LENR powered device will be suffering massive losses.

  • Paul

    The chinese road is a smart choice for IH, as in the majority of the Western countries, with only a few exceptions, they would be “blocked” in some way by the lobbies, this is not so difficult to forecast… However, the price to pay would be… be copied very soon: in China the protection of IP by a Western company is pratically impossible, also for big players.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Not for a Chinese Company selling in China. There will be plenty of protection.
      Do you doubt that part of the deal is a stake in the company? IH and Cherokee will get their cut. Darden is experienced in that market.

      • Paul

        Of course, but the IP would become chinese… and bye bye! There are many example of chinese companies who have stolen IP, in varous ways (for example, a contract broken), without any possible legal reaction by the Western IP owners. Moreover, this is not a normal technology, is “a revolutionary technology”, so every mean is allowed for having it. Also a joint-venture would not be a sure option.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Do you seriously think that Darden sold the IP to the goose that lays the golden eggs?

          He just licensed its use to a major customer. It is not drama, it is business.

    • Beside the fear of stealing IP, where I give no more trust in Chinese government than in US or French government, at worst I can fear varied competences, I feel you are right.

      If Chinese, and the emerging and late emerging world, use and why not master cold fusion, the lobbies of statu quo will be inefficient.
      Lobbies is the basic of our democracies.
      lobbies , now I know it, are not so efficients because of nasty capitalism – capitalism who would eat lobbyists childrens – but because of compassionate demagogy.

      If emerging world use cold fusion, the western demagogies will know they will be toasted whenever they want to save their incumbent industries, their voters, and the capitalist that are in symbiosis with that system.

      Today I know LENR innovators who sells LENR to CTO, not as an opportunity to make money (they don’t need it), but as a risk of getting bankrupt in few month because their market will be frozen quickly.

      If chinese enter the LENR bandwagon, all big corps will know that they will have weeks to show a LENR strategy to their shareholders, and that every month until they have a LENR powered device will be suffering massive losses.

  • Julian Becker

    http://tickerreport.com/banking-finance/206531/quicksilver-resources-stock-price-down-3-9-after-insider-selling-kwk/

    Not sure if this has been mentioned before. Thomas Darden sold his stake in this oil company on May 1st. Likely a wise move…

    • Mr. Moho

      Very interesting find. The headline is very telling:
      “Quicksilver Resources Stock Price Down 3.9% After Insider Selling (KWK)”

      What’s Quicksilver Resources?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_Resources

      Quicksilver Resources Inc. (NYSE: KWK) is an oil and gas exploration and production company based in Fort Worth, Texas. It has operations in the United States and Canada.

      Founded in 1963, the company went public in 1999.[1] It employs approximately 500 people in North America. It is listed in the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol KWK.[2]

      On October 18, 2010, Quicksilver Resources announced that it has
      received a letter of interest from a group called Quicksilver Energy,
      L.P. indicating an interest in potentially acquiring the Company. The
      group is controlled by members of the Darden family, including Thomas
      Darden, Quicksilver Resources’ Chairman of the Board, and Glenn Darden,
      Quicksilver Resources’ President and Chief Executive Officer.
      [3] Several law firms have begun investigating whether the proposed acquisition is fair to the Company’s shareholders.[4]

      • Julian Becker

        Ah please no American lawyers spoiling the show for him! He has a more important mission!

  • Julian Becker

    http://tickerreport.com/banking-finance/206531/quicksilver-resources-stock-price-down-3-9-after-insider-selling-kwk/

    Not sure if this has been mentioned before. Thomas Darden sold his stake in this oil company on May 1st. Likely a wise move…

  • Julian Becker
    • Owen Geiger

      Obviously the E-cat meets his requirements of massive potential.

    • Bernie777

      There is something about this man and IH/Cherokee that simply does not fit with what Rossi has been telling us. He comes off as a general fund manager not someone intensely interested in LENR and certainly not someone who is organizing the intense research Rossi has been telling us about. We are missing a link.

      • Omega Z

        Bernie777

        IH/Cherokee is likely just the Public face at this time.
        They Likely will be the facilitator that distributes license to many players.

        There is much going on behind the scenes. Several Politicians can already be directly connected.
        California State Assemblyman Travis Allen with Darden in China.

        Julian Becker’s post about Darden’s interview from yesterday about his investment philosophy.
        N.C. Speaker Thom Tillis and former U.S. Ambassador Jim Cain.
        I believe VP Biden recently visited the Research Center in Tianjin China.

      • GreenWin

        That link may be DEKA. A place where you can celebrate with Coca Cola.

        • Bernie777

          I too thought it was DEKA but why the subterfuge? Why not say DEKA has bought Rossi IP rather than the smoke screen of IP? That is why I think it might be a company like GE or maybe the US government itself, they have important reasons for not revealing their ownership.

          • GreenWin

            Bernie, as Mike McKubre has stated, no one entity will monopolize LENR. This guarantees it’s application across multiple disciplines: commerce, humanitarian, geopolitical, conservation (real environmentalism) and… academia. Note academia is last. 🙂

          • Bernie777

            GreenWin..I agree no one will monopolize, but all parties will certainly try to protect their IP as they should and have every right to do so, and there will be huge legal battles. But if the past is any indication of the future, China will simply steal everyones IP

      • Ophelia Rump

        Think Oppenheimer.

    • Julian Becker

      http://www.famehall.biz/gold/story/20140415220414.shtml

      Pictures from the event in Beijing where Tom Darden also appeared and signed for Cherokee

  • Julian Becker
    • Owen Geiger

      Obviously the E-cat meets his requirements of massive potential.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      There is something about this man and IH/Cherokee that simply does not fit with what Rossi has been telling us. He comes off as a general fund manager not someone intensely interested in LENR and certainly not someone who is organizing the intense research Rossi has been telling us about. We are missing a link.

      • Omega Z

        Bernie777

        IH/Cherokee is likely just the Public face at this time.
        They Likely will be the facilitator that distributes license to many players.

        There is much going on behind the scenes. Several Politicians can already be directly connected.
        California State Assemblyman Travis Allen with Darden in China.

        Julian Becker’s post about Darden’s interview from yesterday about his investment philosophy.
        N.C. Speaker Thom Tillis and former U.S. Ambassador Jim Cain.
        I believe VP Biden recently visited the Research Center in Tianjin China.

      • GreenWin

        That link may be DEKA. A place where you can celebrate with Coca Cola.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          I too thought it was DEKA but why the subterfuge? Why not say DEKA has bought Rossi IP rather than the smoke screen of IP? That is why I think it might be a company like GE or maybe the US government itself, they have important reasons for not revealing their ownership.

          • GreenWin

            Bernie, as Mike McKubre has stated, no one entity will monopolize LENR. This guarantees it’s application across multiple disciplines: commerce, humanitarian, geopolitical, conservation (real environmentalism) and… academia. Note academia is last. 🙂

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            GreenWin..I agree no one will monopolize, but all parties will certainly try to protect their IP as they should and have every right to do so, and there will be huge legal battles. But if the past is any indication of the future, China will simply steal everyones IP

      • Ophelia Rump

        Think Oppenheimer.

      • Blazespin

        Rossi and Darden are actually very similar in that they both have worked on the problem of converting industrial waste into energy products.

  • jjaroslav

    This is perfect end run around the Fossil fuel cartels and their various government protectors, and it also coops the Chinese threat to patent infringement. Very smart…..unless the Chinese partners are a trap….

  • Giuliano Bettini

    “Ansaldo Energia: the Chinese are coming”. But just by chance.. 🙂
    “…for the development of a new technology of gas turbine”. But just by chance.. 🙂

    “…have been set up two joint ventures in China between Ansaldo and SEC with the aim of producing gas turbines for the Asian markets and set up a R & D center in Shanghai. Both in close connection with the plant of Genoa (“stabilimento”) with whom there is also a cooperation
    project for the development of a new technology of gas turbine.”

    http://www.ilgiornaleditalia.org/news/economia-finanza/854728/Ansaldo-Energia–arrivano-i-cinesi.html

    GreenWin • 9 months ago
    “Ansaldo is the Italian energy division of Finmeccanica SpA, Italy’s defense industry leader. Ansaldo has been a supporter of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat and LENR in general. They sent an executive to speak on the LENR Panel at NI Week”. But just by chance.. 🙂

  • Omega Z

    It’s highly probable that similar meetings are taking place in many places around the globe.
    It’s just not reported by the western media.

    • Fortyniner

      I doubt whether the participants are particularly keen to have such meetings reported anyway. It was probably only because of some sleuthing here (Mr Moho as I remember) that the IH ‘China connection’ became a topic for discussion in the LENR forums.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Question about article(s): The original article is in Chinese so I am unsure of a few details.

        A) Is this research center actually called “Nickel-Hydrogen Research Center”. That would be worth getting excited about as it points directly at LENR. If the center has a normal name like “Tianjin research park” (Chinese equivalent), and we are assuming LENR because of Tom Darden, then that is another scenario entirely.

        Is there any way to clear up this question? It sounds like it’s worth getting excited about, but what do we really know about what research is conducted there?

        • ecatworld

          I don’t speak a word of Chinese, but I can’t imagine that both the Google and Bing translations that have been used are so far off that they are mistranslating nickel hydrogen energy. The body of the article clearly describes the meeting as dealing with nickel hydrogen energy as a new and revolutionary technology — e.g.:

          “Test showed that the nickel energy generation has very good prospects in addition to the economic costs, in the field of environmental protection also has a unique huge advantage. Nickel reaction process, there will be no emissions of greenhouse gases and other pollutants, will not produce radioactive material, but also do not need coal or oil and other fossil fuels, in full compliance with China’s demand for clean energy. But also as a reliable distributed energy.
          According to reports, one of the main role of industrial heat can be used instead of nickel reaction is polluting coal, used in large-scale power generation, this technology is a revolutionary breakthrough in the field of energy applications of all mankind, will be accounted for China to solve serious pollution problems generating more than 70% of the total installed capacity of coal to make outstanding contributions.”

          • LENR G

            But presenting this info like that indicates a basic introduction not a massive roll out and tight partnership. Could be early stages in China. Could be more stuff happening too.

            ON EDIT: It is nice to see though that the Chinese appear to lack the hyper-skepticism that is ostensibly holding Western nations back.

          • Fortyniner

            As you say – ostensibly.

          • Mr. Moho

            What I find inexplicable is that none of the American attendees are reporting this on English-speaking venues. It’s not that the western media isn’t following, it’s Darden et al. who won’t comment unless pressed, and even then, they won’t say much. Compare this with the almost overenthusiastic response one can gather from these news articles in Chinese (“revolutionary technology”, “unique advantages”, “reliable distributed energy”, etc.).

            Why is that?

          • Daniel Maris

            Glass half full = it’s because preparations are far advanced and the less said the better – less chance for market enemies to try and stop or slow the technology.

            Glass half empty = they don’t full trust Rossi yet and don’t want to embarrass themselves and damage their reputations in the West.

          • Ophelia Rump

            If you have not noticed, it is no longer about Rossi.

          • Fortyniner

            I go with glass half full. The same caution will apply to other sub-radar players who haven’t been ‘outed’ by diligent LENR followers yet, and don’t want to be.

          • GreenWin

            Good question. Travis Allen is a Republican Assemblyman from California’s 72nd District (LA, Seal Beach.) While this is a minor position politically, Allen focuses on international trade and has welcomed the Chinese Federation of Culture & Arts to Cali’s capitol. He has also asked Cali Governor Brown to expedite technology “exports” in keeping with President Obama’s executive order of the same.

            If he is aware of IH/E-Cat, he may be looking to include California in its R&D business. Worth checking in with his office.

          • You notice the problem of the elephant in the kitchen.

            The news is huge, even to criticize it, but IT CANNOT BE SAID…

            nobody , including me, would rationally talk of that to his boss, to his client, to his electors, to his chief, to anyone who can ridicule him.

            It is hard to imagine the terror that prevent those ideas to spread in the network of ears and minds…

            take one thing. it is known from studies that 10 of population is gay and 30%more gay than not gay… do you know it from your network ? from the news ? would you say 10-30%? 1% at best?

          • Julian Becker

            http://www.bd.gov.cn/content-401-29570.html

            I am not sure about the translation, but from the date it looks like about the same time the Tianjin Binhai project was launched, Tom Darden went a second time to Baoding and opend with the same business delegation the other sino-american business park there. This means we have now TWO facilites that potentially roll out E-cats?

          • Bernie777

            Maybe this China initiative is a new way of trying to make the Chinese respect Intellectual Property rights? If it is, good luck.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            It might be a clever move. An intelligent fly takes a seat on the swatter.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Well here is a projected goal for the China rollout.

            “will be accounted for China to solve serious pollution problems generating more than 70% of the total installed capacity of coal to make outstanding contributions.”

            To replace 70% of China’s coal use. That sounds like an ambitious project even by China’s standards.

      • Omega Z

        We can note that there is a lot of unrest amongst the populace in China about the Pollution Situation.

        This may have some bearing on the Chinese State Controlled Media Reporting this. Good Public Relations.
        People, Help is on the Horizon. Please Don’t Revolt… 🙂

  • Omega Z

    It’s highly probable that similar meetings are taking place in many places around the globe.
    It’s just not reported by the western media.

    • I doubt whether the participants are particularly keen to have such meetings reported anyway. It was probably only because of some sleuthing here (Mr Moho as I remember) that the IH ‘China connection’ became a topic for discussion in the LENR forums.

      • Omega Z

        We can note that there is a lot of unrest amongst the populace in China about the Pollution Situation.

        This may have some bearing on the Chinese State Controlled Media Reporting this. Good Public Relations.
        People, Help is on the Horizon. Please Don’t Revolt… 🙂

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Question about article(s): The original article is in Chinese so I am unsure of a few details.

    A) Is this research center actually called “Nickel-Hydrogen Research Center”. That would be worth getting excited about as it points directly at LENR. If the center has a normal name like “Tianjin research park” (Chinese equivalent), and we are assuming LENR because of Tom Darden, then that is another scenario entirely.

    Is there any way to clear up this question? It sounds like it’s worth getting excited about, but what do we really know about what research is conducted there?

    • Frank Acland

      I don’t speak a word of Chinese, but I can’t imagine that both the Google and Bing translations that have been used are so far off that they are mistranslating nickel hydrogen energy. The body of the article clearly describes the meeting as dealing with nickel hydrogen energy as a new and revolutionary technology — e.g.:

      “Test showed that the nickel energy generation has very good prospects in addition to the economic costs, in the field of environmental protection also has a unique huge advantage. Nickel reaction process, there will be no emissions of greenhouse gases and other pollutants, will not produce radioactive material, but also do not need coal or oil and other fossil fuels, in full compliance with China’s demand for clean energy. But also as a reliable distributed energy.
      According to reports, one of the main role of industrial heat can be used instead of nickel reaction is polluting coal, used in large-scale power generation, this technology is a revolutionary breakthrough in the field of energy applications of all mankind, will be accounted for China to solve serious pollution problems generating more than 70% of the total installed capacity of coal to make outstanding contributions.”

      • But presenting this info like that indicates a basic introduction not a massive roll out and tight partnership. Could be early stages in China. Could be more stuff happening too.

        ON EDIT: It is nice to see though that the Chinese appear to lack the hyper-skepticism that is ostensibly holding Western nations back.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Thanks for response. I stopped using Chrome and switched to firefox with Yahoo. I had not seen any translations. This article is very interesting and it is nice to see forward progress with this concept. I wish some mention of budget was present. We could be excited knowing NASA has funded LENR until we look at their sparse budget under a half million dollars.

      • Ophelia Rump

        Well here is a projected goal for the China rollout.

        “will be accounted for China to solve serious pollution problems generating more than 70% of the total installed capacity of coal to make outstanding contributions.”

        To replace 70% of China’s coal use. That sounds like an ambitious project even by China’s standards.

  • GreenWin

    The reason why China desperately needs LENR: http://bit.ly/1jd4wBc

    • georgehants

      The reason the U.K. “desperately” needs Cold Fusion
      ——-
      LATEST FOODBANK FIGURES TOP 900,000: LIFE HAS GOT WORSE NOT BETTER
      FOR POOREST IN 2013/14, AND THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
      913,138 people received three days’ emergency food from Trussell Trust foodbanks in 2013-14 compared to 346,992 in 2012-13
      Figures are ‘tip of the iceberg’ of UK food poverty says Trussell Trust Chairman
      83% of foodbanks report ‘sanctioning’ is causing rising numbers to turn to them
      Foodbank figures trigger biggest ever faith leader intervention on UK food poverty in modern times.
      Over 900,000 adults and children have received three days’
      emergency food and support from Trussell Trust foodbanks in the last 12
      months, a shocking 163 percent rise on numbers helped in the previous
      financial year. Despite signs of economic recovery, the poorest have
      seen incomes squeezed even more than last year reports The Trussell
      Trust, the UK’s largest foodbank network. More people are being referred
      to Trussell Trust foodbanks than ever before.
      http://www.trusselltrust.org/foodbank-figures-top-900000

      • GreenWin

        George, I have seen the same first hand in my country. Reason to keep pressing this enterprise forward.

  • GreenWin

    The reason why China desperately needs LENR: http://bit.ly/1jd4wBc

    • georgehants

      The reason the U.K. “desperately” needs Cold Fusion
      ——-
      LATEST FOODBANK FIGURES TOP 900,000: LIFE HAS GOT WORSE NOT BETTER
      FOR POOREST IN 2013/14, AND THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
      913,138 people received three days’ emergency food from Trussell Trust foodbanks in 2013-14 compared to 346,992 in 2012-13
      Figures are ‘tip of the iceberg’ of UK food poverty says Trussell Trust Chairman
      83% of foodbanks report ‘sanctioning’ is causing rising numbers to turn to them
      Foodbank figures trigger biggest ever faith leader intervention on UK food poverty in modern times.
      Over 900,000 adults and children have received three days’
      emergency food and support from Trussell Trust foodbanks in the last 12
      months, a shocking 163 percent rise on numbers helped in the previous
      financial year. Despite signs of economic recovery, the poorest have
      seen incomes squeezed even more than last year reports The Trussell
      Trust, the UK’s largest foodbank network. More people are being referred
      to Trussell Trust foodbanks than ever before.
      http://www.trusselltrust.org/foodbank-figures-top-900000

      • GreenWin

        George, I have seen the same first hand in my country. Reason to keep pressing this enterprise forward.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Maybe this China initiative is a new way of trying to make the Chinese respect Intellectual Property rights? If it is, good luck.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      It might be a clever move. An intelligent fly takes a seat on the swatter.

  • George N

    This is as big of news as the anticipated second 3rd party report!

    • deleo77

      It’s a little hard to know exactly what this news is. Is IH just going to be getting some free space in an industrial park? Or is China going to be putting some real R&D money and talent into furthering the development of the e-cat? Hopefully it is the latter.

      • blanco69

        I would hope that the ecat is beyond the research stage by now. First to market is important and there are other players out there. I will conceed however, that the ecat technology should open up a whole new field of nickel hydrogen research.

  • George N

    This is as big of news as the anticipated second 3rd party report!

    • deleo77

      It’s a little hard to know exactly what this news is. Is IH just going to be getting some free space in an industrial park? Or is China going to be putting some real R&D money and talent into furthering the development of the e-cat? Hopefully it is the latter.

      • blanco69

        I would hope that the ecat is beyond the research stage by now. First to market is important and there are other players out there. I will conceed however, that the ecat technology should open up a whole new field of nickel hydrogen research.

  • Chris I

    Now that is interesting!

  • Chris, Italy

    Now that is interesting!

  • Omega Z

    Photo #1 is for comparison to I.D. Travis Allen.
    Photo 2 & 3 are from the thread link provide by Frank.

    It appears Travis Allen & Tom Darden sat beside each other.
    Photo #1 is Travis Allen – California State Legislature.

    http://arc.asm.ca.gov/member/AD72//media/photo/1132-Chinese%20Delegation%20Cap.jpg
    ——————————————————————
    Photo #2 on the right. 2-Chinese, 3rd person blocked & 4th person appears to be Travis Allen side profile.

    http://www.icebank.cn//userfiles/3%281%29.jpg
    ——————————————————————–
    Photo #3 same as #2 from a different angle.
    3rd person is Tom Darden.

    http://www.icebank.cn/userfiles/1%282%29.jpg

    In this photo the 4th person is hard to make out, but appears to be Travis Allen seen in photo #2.
    The 5th person on the right could be Jeff Leader, but I can’t find a photo to verify this.
    ——————————————————————–
    My Eyes aren’t what they used to be.
    What do you think?

    • Mr. Moho

      I think you might find photos here more interesting:
      http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=119

      • Ophelia Rump

        “solely responsible for the work of the center of Sino-US docking, as well as the introduction of landing technology.”

        That sounds like a NASA tie in to me. Coincidence, perhaps.

    • Julian Becker

      The most important question is who is sitting on the other side. On the Chinese side. Hope for people like Mr. Li Hejun (Hanergy boss, etc.). Especially who is the guy in the middle talking to Darden (next to Icebank boss Mr. Dai in the grey jacket)

  • Omega Z

    Photo #1 is for comparison to I.D. Travis Allen.
    Photo 2 & 3 are from the thread link provide by Frank.

    It appears Travis Allen & Tom Darden sat beside each other.
    Photo #1 is Travis Allen – California State Legislature.

    http://arc.asm.ca.gov/member/AD72//media/photo/1132-Chinese%20Delegation%20Cap.jpg
    ——————————————————————
    Photo #2 on the right. 2-Chinese, 3rd person blocked & 4th person appears to be Travis Allen side profile.

    http://www.icebank.cn//userfiles/3%281%29.jpg
    ——————————————————————–
    Photo #3 same as #2 from a different angle.
    3rd person is Tom Darden.

    http://www.icebank.cn/userfiles/1%282%29.jpg

    In this photo the 4th person is hard to make out, but appears to be Travis Allen seen in photo #2.
    The 5th person on the right could be Jeff Leader, but I can’t find a photo to verify this.
    ——————————————————————–
    My Eyes aren’t what they used to be.
    What do you think?

    • Julian Becker

      The most important question is who is sitting on the other side. On the Chinese side. Hope for people like Mr. Li Hejun (Hanergy boss, etc.). Especially who is the guy in the middle talking to Darden (next to Icebank boss Mr. Dai in the grey jacket)

  • KLD

    Moving into the Chinese market is the smartest choice. They don’t even need EPO or USPO super slow actions, they only need to negotiate on the good terms with the Chinese government.

    To ensure IP protection and Rossi can perhaps design the Hot-Cat with a self destructed mode.

  • KLD

    Moving into the Chinese market is the smartest choice. They don’t even need EPO or USPO super slow actions, they only need to negotiate on the good terms with the Chinese government.

    To ensure IP protection and Rossi can perhaps design the Hot-Cat with a self destructed mode.

  • Matt Sevrens

    I had a Chinese friend translate it. She says that Tom is offering the technology free of charge. I haven’t seen anyone mention that so I thought I’d mention it.

    “will be free to put this technology transfer from the U.S. to China”

    is the mistranslated line.

    • A CEO that cares about the world over profit??? Good thing I’m sitting down.

      • Timar

        Not necessarily, or exclusively so. If they would demand high license fees for the technology, China would probably rather copy it and disregard any intellectual property rights. By transfering the technology free of charge, however, in exchange for taking part in the large-scale industrial production, they will at least have some revenue from China – while at the same time allowing for the fastest possible implementation of the technology, from which we will all benefit.

      • Blazespin

        I wonder if Darden realizes the power that is allied against him and has reasoned that this move could create allies that are not only completely unstoppable but have a manufacturing might you simply can not compete with. Make it free in China and if it solves their problems, they could look to IH as a savior or sorts and will remember that in the future. And the reality is, Darden may have calculated that the Chinese would just appropriate the tech anyways because of their problems with Coal. It’s possible it wasn’t a mistranslation but someone who has done something with a touch of brilliance.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Somehow that sounds completely wrong. I do not believe that Darden just gave away the rights to the IP to China. That would simply be insane. I think this is just another case of bad reporting.

      With that said, My Chinese expert translator says the same thing, the article says free of charge to China. What you said is confirmed Matt.

      • unbareable

        Except for any “mis-translations” between Darden’s utterances and the words that appeared in the article.

  • Joe Shea

    In my American Reporter article, “The One That Got Away,” I warned that it will be the Chinese whio ultimately cointrol this technology. In anticipation of that, I read the words that IH LLC “will be free to put this technology transfer from the U.S. to China” with trepidation. The E-Cat will give any nation that deploys it extensively a distinct advantage in lower manufacturing costs due to the negligible cost of electricity.

    • Once the E-cat is out of the bag, there’ll be no stopping it worldwide.

  • Julian Becker

    http://www.laiyuan.gov.cn/index.do?id=4522&templet=content&cid=19

    More pictures from last years Baoding Event

  • Julian Becker

    http://www.laiyuan.gov.cn/index.do?id=4522&templet=content&cid=19

    More pictures from last years Baoding Event

  • Julian Becker

    http://www.bd.gov.cn/content-401-29570.html

    I am not sure about the translation, but from the date it looks like about the same time the Tianjin Binhai project was launched, Tom Darden went a second time to Baoding and opend with the same business delegation the other sino-american business park there. This means we have now TWO facilites that potentially roll out E-cats?

  • Julian Becker

    http://www.famehall.biz/gold/story/20140415220414.shtml

    Pictures from the event in Beijing where Tom Darden also appeared and signed for Cherokee

  • Andreas Moraitis

    There has been an event in March 2014 at Fuqua School of Business with Tom Darden as one of the participants (possibly old news):

    http://blogs.fuqua.duke.edu/edgenotes/2014/03/28/exploring-chinas-cleantech-opportunities

    • GreenWin

      This is an interesting group. Along with Tom Darden is Dan Vermeer, director of Duke’s EDGE program. Dan was previously director of Coca Cola’s Global Water Challenge, a program to educate emerging populations about safe water. This program has expanded greatly and given the needs of 1.2B people lacking safe water – which directly impacts global health – a timely one.

      One impediment to clean, fresh water is cost of energy. Water purification and desalination systems are energy intensive. Along with refrigeration, zero-carbon cook stoves, safe water is a primary necessity for underserved populations. Hopefully Tom and Dan are acquainted and have exchanged ideas. Portable, clean, low cost energy is key to all global health initiatives. LENR provides that, and should be recognized and funded by any institution claiming to serve global health.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        GreenWin…..Good post, it will be very interesting to see which countries, people, companies and institutions will embrace LENR once the break out occurs.

      • jousterusa

        You really make some interesting points! Thank you!

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks, Andreas –The meeting was billed as ‘Cleantech in China: Energy, Environment and Innovation. There’s no video or transcript of the session that I can find, unfortunately.

      It’s funny that the profile of Tom Darden as one of the speakers gives no indication of his involvement with Industrial Heat.

      “Tom Darden is the Chief Executive Officer of the Raleigh, NC-based investment firm Cherokee. For more than two decades, Cherokee’s executive team has produced strong financial returns while delivering positive environmental and social results, focusing on brownfield redevelopment and cleantech private equity investing. Its partnership McDonough Cherokee Advisors (MCA) provides high-level advisory services to Western enterprises interested in operating in China, with expertise in brownfield remediation, environmental technology, urban planning, strategic consulting, venture capital and private equity. MCA’s mission is to create lasting ecological, social and environmental value while helping to address important environmental challenges facing both China and the world. Tom earned a JD from Yale Law School and an MRP in environmental planning and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar.”

  • Barry8

    Once the E-cat is out of the bag, there’ll be no stopping it worldwide.

  • Barry8

    A CEO that cares about the world over profit??? Good thing I’m sitting down.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Somehow that sounds completely wrong. I do not believe that Darden just gave away the rights to the IP to China. That would simply be insane.

    • unbareable

      Except for any “mis-translations” between Darden’s utterances and the words that appeared in the article.

  • Lande

    Interesting about nickel “eating” plant. LENR in nature…?

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140509130040.htm

    regards
    Lande

    • nonstandarddeviation

      Clearly a bought-science mis-information campaign by TPTB to create uncertainty about the viability of LENR. I can hear it now: “Suppose these plants started spreading like Kudzu? What would keep grandma warm at night, then, hunh?”

      • I don’t know if it is TPTB (don’t think so, TPTB are victims of the physicists groupthink like mom&pops), but freeenergyscams, the site of an anti-e-cat lord of war (gary wright?) is suddenly more active and better covered by my probes…
        did they buy SEO services?
        Preparing for the war!

        the wors is that I suspect all that is just benevolent (like me)… the war of believers is thousands time more bloody than the war of professionals.

        • Omega Z

          So we could harvest these plants for our E-cat Fuel.
          Can we GM these plants to get the right nano size.

  • Lande

    Interesting about nickel “eating” plant. LENR in nature…?

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140509130040.htm

    regards
    Lande

    • nonstandarddeviation

      Clearly a bought-science mis-information campaign by TPTB to create uncertainty about the viability of LENR. I can hear it now: “Suppose these plants started spreading like Kudzu? What would keep grandma warm at night, then, hunh?”

      • I don’t know if it is TPTB (don’t think so, TPTB are victims of the physicists groupthink like mom&pops), but freeenergyscams, the site of an anti-e-cat lord of war (gary wright?) is suddenly more active and better covered by my probes…
        did they buy SEO services?
        Preparing for the war!

        the wors is that I suspect all that is just benevolent (like me)… the war of believers is thousands time more bloody than the war of professionals.

        • Omega Z

          So we could harvest these plants for our E-cat Fuel.
          Can we GM these plants to get the right nano size.

  • jousterusa

    The interesting angle on this, to me, is that Darden is proceeding in China – a place where he can be somewhat insulated from pressure by the huge Western oil, gas and electric power industries. He is not completely insulated, of course, because competitive industries of that kind also exist in the newly capitalistic Chinese economy. But he will get a head start on them in China, and we will have to see what subterfuges the United States and other Western nations create to prevent it from being imported for home use. I think a key to that will be ensuring that the only form of import the U.S. and UK will permit is for large-scale industrial uses, not small units that allow ordinary households to go off the grid. The latter event would be a tragedy, of course, and while it will be conducted and arranged at a very high level usually beyond the reach of public protest, we can only hope that the few remaining honest legislators in Congress will work hard to prevent trade barriers from being erected that would bar home-based E-Cats from import.

  • jousterusa

    The interesting angle on this, to me, is that Darden is proceeding in China – a place where he can be somewhat insulated from pressure by the huge Western oil, gas and electric power industries. He is not completely insulated, of course, because competitive industries of that kind also exist in the newly capitalistic Chinese economy. But he will get a head start on them in China, and we will have to see what subterfuges the United States and other Western nations create to prevent it from being imported for home use. I think a key to that will be ensuring that the only form of import the U.S. and UK will permit is for large-scale industrial uses, not small units that allow ordinary households to go off the grid. The latter event would be a tragedy, of course, and while it will be conducted and arranged at a very high level usually beyond the reach of public protest, we can only hope that the few remaining honest legislators in Congress will work hard to prevent trade barriers from being erected that would bar home-based E-Cats from import.

  • we-cat

    Dear All,

    There are some big buyers in nickel futures;

    http://www.lme.com/en-gb/metals/non-ferrous/nickel/

    There are other rumors / events that push the price up, but i do not discard that an upcoming report is a big driver behind the up-ticks.

    JB

    • Andreas Moraitis

      There is a supply bottleneck in nickel since Indonesia imposed an export ban in January 2014. In addition, a nickel mine in New Caledonia has recently been closed due to technical problems. No need to assume a connection to LENR, at the moment.

    • pg

      World nickel production is over a million metric tons per year.
      20 tons of nickel would be enough to supply about 1.000.000 e-cats for 5/6 years. So nickel price or availability can not be affected by it.

  • we-cat

    Dear All,

    There are some big buyers in nickel futures;

    http://www.lme.com/en-gb/metals/non-ferrous/nickel/

    There are other rumors / events that push the price up, but i do not discard that an upcoming report is a big driver behind the up-ticks.

    JB

    • Andreas Moraitis

      There is a supply bottleneck in nickel since Indonesia imposed an export ban in January 2014. In addition, a nickel mine in New Caledonia has recently been closed due to technical problems. No need to assume a connection to LENR, at the moment.

    • pg

      World nickel production is over a million metric tons per year.
      20 tons of nickel would be enough to supply about 1.000.000 e-cats for 5/6 years. So nickel price or availability can not be affected by it.

  • we-cat

    Dear All,

    Nickel futures sharply higher in the last few days.

    JB

  • we-cat

    Dear All,

    Nickel futures sharply higher in the last few days.

    JB

  • This community article

    http://forum.home.news.cn/detail/132197050/1.html

    is not really a source, but you can see that Chinese readers interpret all that as “Cold Fusion” “E-cat”…

    If someone doubted of it.

    “China Tianjin NiMH (cold fusion) research center was established in Tianjin, China Nickel Metal Hydride (cold fusion) Research Center on April 16 in Tianjin Huayuan Industrial Park was established, Tom Darden, president of the American Industrial Heat attended the inaugural ceremony, the company was Rossi E – Cat manufacturing company. Attended the inauguration ceremony of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, as well as hospital Zhao Gang (transliteration) researcher”

    “Nickel-hydrogen cold fusion is virtually unlimited cheap clean energy. Development of alternative energy, nickel-hydrogen cold fusion is absolutely correct wise choice. Adhere unswervingly light in front. Estimated a month later E – Cat test results announcement.”

    “Founded in Tianjin, China NiMH (cold fusion) research center, like herald the end of June E – Cat up to a year of rigorous testing have good results. Human beings should be held to celebrate.”

    “The new E-Cat Model includes a stainless steel reaction vessel was placed inside a brass, copper and stainless steel by interlayer water reactor. Set the imported water and hydrogen. Wound copper tube current flowing through the resistor to charge the reactor, when it reaches a certain temperature, the reaction is started. Device is very simple, reminiscent of the old pipe machine years ago.   Kullander and Essen permission to study this means checking hiding power source, a reactor is filled with hydrogen, the exact determination of the water flow, the water flow out of the detected temperature, and observed throughout the experiment. Reflect built 50 grams of nickel powder and 0.11 g of hydrogen. In their report mentioned “now free to use the heater to generate electricity, the water from the hose, and then through the outlet steam valve and the water pipes, as well as the hydrogen feed tube. Approximate total weight of this device is 4 kg. “”

    they have their skeptics too 😉

    or Mary learn Chinese

  • This community article

    http://forum.home.news.cn/detail/132197050/1.html

    is not really a source, but you can see that Chinese readers interpret all that as “Cold Fusion” “E-cat”…

    If someone doubted of it.

    “China Tianjin NiMH (cold fusion) research center was established in Tianjin, China Nickel Metal Hydride (cold fusion) Research Center on April 16 in Tianjin Huayuan Industrial Park was established, Tom Darden, president of the American Industrial Heat attended the inaugural ceremony, the company was Rossi E – Cat manufacturing company. Attended the inauguration ceremony of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, as well as hospital Zhao Gang (transliteration) researcher”

    “Nickel-hydrogen cold fusion is virtually unlimited cheap clean energy. Development of alternative energy, nickel-hydrogen cold fusion is absolutely correct wise choice. Adhere unswervingly light in front. Estimated a month later E – Cat test results announcement.”

    “Founded in Tianjin, China NiMH (cold fusion) research center, like herald the end of June E – Cat up to a year of rigorous testing have good results. Human beings should be held to celebrate.”

    “The new E-Cat Model includes a stainless steel reaction vessel was placed inside a brass, copper and stainless steel by interlayer water reactor. Set the imported water and hydrogen. Wound copper tube current flowing through the resistor to charge the reactor, when it reaches a certain temperature, the reaction is started. Device is very simple, reminiscent of the old pipe machine years ago.   Kullander and Essen permission to study this means checking hiding power source, a reactor is filled with hydrogen, the exact determination of the water flow, the water flow out of the detected temperature, and observed throughout the experiment. Reflect built 50 grams of nickel powder and 0.11 g of hydrogen. In their report mentioned “now free to use the heater to generate electricity, the water from the hose, and then through the outlet steam valve and the water pipes, as well as the hydrogen feed tube. Approximate total weight of this device is 4 kg. “”

    they have their skeptics too 😉

    or Mary learn Chinese

  • did you notice that the article recently disapeared from icebank?

    http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118

  • did you notice that the article recently disapeared from icebank?

    http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118

  • _Jim

    I know this is a little late, but, what if the ‘secret sauce’, the preparation of the nickle and so forth are to be strictly controlled, sort of like the way Coca-Cola distributes the syrup to bottlers of their product?

    The hard part lies in engineering compact, intelligent ‘platform’ small; enough and safe enough that will handle the ‘reaction’, and this can be done with sufficient engineering talent and the integration of required components and functions, but, the real secret to making this work is the materials preparation, knowing the purity required, and constituent component parts that make up the ‘nickle’ and other elements … sure, some amount of reverse engineering could be done, as with Coca-Cola, but, this is an order of magnitude more difficult and Rossi has the edge on anybody seeking to do this … he also has the economic and time edge, as he has already done the ‘fielding testing’ over time to validate his lab work .. .