Swedish Radio Program Casts Doubt on Cold Fusion, Rossi's Reputation

Swedish public radio station Sveriges Radio has released the first in a three part report about Andrea Rossi and the E-Cat which examines Andrea Rossi’s reputation, and has a decidedly negative slant — focusing on Rossi’s reputation as a deceiver who uses others to get his dishonest ways. The tone of the piece can be discerned by the lead sentence on the summary posted on Sveriges Radio’s web site:

Researchers from leading Swedish universities may have helped a prison sentenced inventor to sell a machine that a majority of the scientific community dismiss as fake. It is about so-called cold fusion and Italian Andrea Rossi, who claims to have built a machine that produces large amounts of clean and cheap energy.

This is a typical media narrative about Andrea Rossi that has been reflected in other media stories, and in my opinion is one-sided, and it ignores the most important aspects of this story — which is the strong evidence in favor of the E-Cat being a real and potentially revolutionary energy producing technology.

In addition to reading the web summary, I have spoken with a contact in Sweden who has listened to the piece, and from what I have learned, it seems that the overall assumption is that cold fusion is impossible, and Pons and Fleischmann’s research was based on erroneous measurement. The implication, therefore, is that Rossi’s reports cannot be true and he is getting attention and support by being a master manipulator, and is using others (specifically scientists in Sweden) to give the impression that there is something to cold fusion and the E-Cat.

In concentrating on Rossi’s conviction following the closing of his Petroldragon business in Italy in the early 1990s, rather than the evidence that points to the E-Cat being valid, my opinion is that listeners who are looking for an accurate picture of the E-Cat will not be served well by this piece. Of course the timing of this radio reporting is interesting, as we are awaiting the results of important testing that is taking place — and it seems likely that this testing took place in Sweden, presumably with a number Swedish scientists involved.

It may be that this piece will cast doubt in the minds of listeners about the validity of the upcoming report if positive results are announced. As always, I recommend that anyone investigating this subject be open minded and look at the evidence. When I first heard about Rossi and the E-Cat, I was suspicious — but after years of careful examination of all the evidence I can find, the only rational conclusion that I can come to is that the E-Cat works as claimed. See here for more on that.

Frank Acland

  • prepare the feather and tar,

  • Daniel Maris

    Doesn’t sound like there is anything new there.

    • curious

      Except that an organization who has never paid any attention to the matter now seems to launch a smear campaign. I’m not fond of conspiracy theories, but it looks like some people would rather see Rossi dismissed quickly.

      • Daniel Maris

        Yes, I would agree it’s a bit surprising – and suspicious – they’ve suddenly taken an interest.

        However, this is all irrelevant. We will soon know if Rossi is really a fraud: if the test results reveal serious deficiencies (on a par with the thermocouple debacle) or if IH does not follow up on positive results with a pilot installation.

        • Omega Z

          Daniel

          If Industrial Heat were to proceed with a pilot installation, It would be a collaborative development with an Entity who builds these things. They likely are not capable of such a task on their own.

  • CancunKurt

    I just head some of it, just got annoyed. It’s also how they make the play that this is a giant scheme and everyone is either in on it or duped by it. I felt bad being a swede when I heard it, and turned it off after awhile.

    • steve high

      Well CK I would ask that you as a Swedish speaker go ahead and listen to the whole thing just to be sure that there isn’t any new and potentially negative information tucked in there that we need to be aware of. Thanks

      • Erik

        At the end they said that AR bought 15 apartments in Miami Beach last year, despite the researchers were being told that half of his profits would go to children with cancer.

    • don’t feel ashamed as nation, as unlike France or alike Sweden institution gave a chance to e-cat, LENR…

      if you can relay informations in the debate in swedish, it could help

      I gave thos ein english

      http://cornucopia.cornubot.se/2014/05/vetenskapsradion-pekar-ut-e-cat-och.html?showComment=1401224262243#c6602762547862009308

      but I feel always uncomfortable to talk in english in a foreign forum…

      for me, the most important is not to argue with skeptics who will never admit, but give honest data to lukewarmers who may be curious…

      as you notice, I give much weight in the book of Beaudette, in the titanic article of jed, in Bo Hoistad answer to Pomp&ericsson, in groupthink theory of Benabou, kuhn…

      as you like 😉 time to spread the data, not the opinions.

  • Owen Geiger

    Will one narrow minded radio broadcast have much sway once the newest report comes out? I doubt it. Not for those who look into the story a bit. How would Rossi fool highly skilled researchers who are working in an independent location? It’s preposterous.

  • Owen Geiger

    Will one narrow minded radio broadcast have much sway once the newest report comes out? I doubt it. Not for those who look into the story a bit. How would Rossi fool highly skilled researchers who are working in an independent location? It’s preposterous.

  • Paul

    This al sounds like the E-Cat works remarkably well, otherwise the radio speakers would not spend their time in this effort. Apart that they risk very much, because IH is a company which probably will not allow this kind of media use and wlll probably suit law after the report release..

    • steve high

      Well CK I would ask that you as a Swedish speaker go ahead and listen to the whole thing just to be sure that there isn’t any new and potentially negative information tucked in there that we need to be aware of. Thanks

    • bfast

      It’s been said, “the proof is in the pudding.” (Actually I believe the original expression was, “The proof of the pudding is in the eating.”) Either way, when Rossi opens a manufacturing facility selling e-cats, the skeptics will wither. Until he does, doubt, even pathological skepticism, is fair.

      • The proof of the pudding is in the eating is really real. Some innovator I know told me that E-cat/LENR would be accepted when you can show a shoebox that produce energy on a tabletop.

        However this fact is tragic.

        It is tragic that you need to complete an engineering cycle fully, to be able to sell a reactor, so that people believe in Fleischmann & Pons.
        because, let us be honest, the only reason people deny the test of Elforsk is that because it is cold fusion…
        they know that when E-cat is proven real Fleischmann will be vindicated.

        It is tragic that people on the planet from Nobel to homeless is convinced that Cold Fusion is debunked, while, it is public, THERE IS NO UNREFUTED WRITTEN CRITIC OF FLEISCHMANN&PONS CALORIMETRY.

        one one side you have one of the most recognized electrochemist of the 20th century that publish a paper on experiments. It is replicated by othere electrochemist like Bockris, by radichemist, various chemist, who use various methods to eliminate any possible atifact.

        on the other side you have:
        – failed experiments done by physicist
        – 4 written critics, all refuted because they contradict known calorimetry, and don’t explain the observation, and by the way because one of those paper refute the others and confirm the results.
        – evidence of frauds
        – evidence of rejection of article despite positive peer-review, , or upfront

        all to support the myth is errors, rumors, myths, frauds, collusion, groupthink, terrors against dissenters, defunding, demoting, harassment…

        so agains groupthink, the only way to fight planet-wide groupthink and terror is… eating the pudding…

        we have incredibly precise instruments, but people wait for eating the pudding.

        pathetic science

        • Billy Jackson

          its called disinformation. its goal is to confuse or propagate an outcome by distraction. the outcome they want is that it doesn’t work. so they have “muddied” the waters so to speak.. their is the truth, and then what everyone knows to be the truth.. they don’t always equal the same thing

          • Bernie777

            And it is hard for me to believe that it is not an organized campaign against LENR

          • GreenWin

            It certainly has been lobbied against. Is anyone really surprised?

      • Omega Z

        Should the Hot Cat report be positive
        And should Rossi be presented a Nobel Prize
        Would it not be fitting that- Stephan Pomp, Göran Ericsson, Steven Krivits, Etc, Etc,,,
        Be Required to make the presentation.

        Well, Maybe not, But, I was just thinking there are Quite a Few in this World that could be taught a little Humility.

        Just so as not to let any of these people off the hook, This could apply for whoever is 1st. Rossi or whoever…

    • LENR G

      First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win

      In the patho-skeptics understanding of the current situation, Rossi
      * fooled Focardi for years
      * fooled or conspired with Fioravanti in the validation of the prototype 1 MW plant, Oct 2011
      * fooled or conspired with Penon in an in-house performance and security validation, Aug 2012
      * fooled all 7 investigators (or perhaps conspired with Levi to fool the remaining investigators) during tests of 3 separate E-Cats over a period of weeks in late 2012 and early 2013. During this period the investigators had complete freedom to measure anything using any technique. Even rigged the first one to melt.
      * fooled Darden and Vaughn into creating Industrial Heat and assembling more than $11M in investment. Fooled the independent expert that Industrial Heat publicly claimed verified the reactors worked on their behalf.
      * has continued to work at Industrial Heat for more than one year, in ever more ambitious R&D and non-stop internal testing — even though the devices don’t really work; he’s somehow been able to hide that from all the in-house engineers and scientists involved.
      * agreed to permit off-site testing for approximately a six month period by a group of experts again having complete freedom of access and measurement…. despite having already “cashed in” on his supposed investment scam.

      And about 10 companies from all around the world are following in his footsteps hoping to milk some cash out of the giant scam cow Rossi has created.

      Time to stop being nice. People who believe the above are idiots. If you believe all of the above YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Or worse.

      • Ophelia Rump

        You left out fooled NASA and Mitsubishi, Siemens and General Electric.
        and on and on.

        • LENR G

          Indeed. Trying to strike a balance between thorough and readable.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Very challenging in this case.

      • jousterusa

        You left out the most impossible deception of all: that he may have fooled the Chinese scientists who bet their careers on developing it in their sparkling new industrial park.

  • Paul

    This al sounds like the E-Cat works remarkably well, otherwise the radio speakers would not spend their time in this effort. Apart that they risk very much, because IH is a company which probably will not allow this kind of media use and wlll probably suit law after the report release..

  • John DiTuro

    As we all are aware, the MSM has not been kind to CF all these years, not just in the US but throughout the world. That is why when a report or article casts CF in a positive light it seems so unusual. Do we expect anything different even if the report comes to us on “public” TV Station. What corporate sponsors pay for that program?

  • John DiTuro

    As we all are aware, the MSM has not been kind to CF all these years, not just in the US but throughout the world. That is why when a report or article casts CF in a positive light it seems so unusual. Do we expect anything different even if the report comes to us on “public” TV Station. What corporate sponsors pay for that program?

  • Barbierir

    more an hatchet job than journalism

  • Barbierir

    more an hatchet job than journalism

  • Jouni

    This is interesting, what is the reason for a state-owned company to give so biased info. And not only biased, also distorting, like the comment of Hanno Essen. They misinterpreted it. Of course Rossi has to take advantage of professors etc, to get them to do research. And to get their results.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.” – Edward Bernays, ‘The Father of Spin’

  • Jouni Tuomela

    This is interesting, what is the reason for a state-owned company to give so biased info. And not only biased, also distorting, like the comment of Hanno Essen. They misinterpreted it. Of course Rossi has to take advantage of professors etc, to get them to do research. And to get their results.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.” – Edward Bernays, ‘The Father of Spin’

    • Mike

      Swedish Radio is not state-owned. It is owned by a foundation. More about the company in English….
      http://sverigesradio.se/sida/default.aspx?programid=2438

      • Jouni Tuomela

        But is paid by the swedes, like taxes.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    This is common. Anybody who wants to Google Rossi most always finds the Krivit view. Not surprising. There are many idiots in the world.

    • Donk970

      I don’t think it’s lazy journalism. It’s paid propaganda.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Dang! Paid! By Whom!!! I want some of this gravy train propaganda monies you speak of. I might diss Rossi or anyone for a paid wage (not really). I have websites and am a published author.

        Methinks this is honest but lazy journalism. Name a single source that will pay me to (even through shareholding) badmouth LENR and I’ll change my stance, but I doubt there will be need.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    This is common. Anybody who wants to Google Rossi most always finds the Krivit view. Not surprising. There are many idiots in the world.

    I EMAILED STATION thanks to Google translate my common cut/paste Rossi defence. I then emailed them again suggesting it is irresponsible journalism to get all of their negative information from one website (newenergytlmesdotcom).

    I am sure if they check their sources of negative info S.Krivits name will be on every page and they will feel like stooges..

    I do think it troublesome that as new media is attracted to the story, lazy journalists will find the krivit view so quickly. Imagine you just heard of this and search “Rossi Fraud”; you will receive a dozen hits on Newenergytlmesdotcom. It sucks to see that idiot influence more than he should.

    • Donk970

      I don’t think it’s lazy journalism. It’s paid propaganda.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Dang! Paid! By Whom!!! I want some of this gravy train propaganda monies you speak of. I might diss Rossi or anyone for a paid wage (not really). I have websites and am a published author.

        Methinks this is honest but lazy journalism. Name a single source that will pay me to (even through shareholding) badmouth LENR and I’ll change my stance, but I doubt there will be need.

      • Frechette

        Any way you cut it paid journalists working for mainstream media outlets are members of the oldest profession.

        • Omega Z

          The Oldest profession is Prostitution.
          Ohhh, Got It… 🙂

      • Mike

        The journalists have mailed A Rossi for comments. His reply was only that he would not answer any questions. Mats Lewan and Hanno Essen are also interviewed in the first part. It is clear that both sides have got an opportunity to comment. An italian journalist is interviewed and she claims that Rossi needs some “support” from the scientific world to get sponsors. This is why he has used the Stockholm and Uppsala university people. Both Petroldragon and the thermoelectric sensors are used as examples, suggesting a pattern. The program also claims that Rossi has used the money from selling the e-cat license to buy more than 10 flats in Florida.

        By the way…..who has paid? Sveriges Radio is the Swedish public service radio network, 100% publicly financed.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.” – Edward Bernays, ‘The Father of Spin’

  • LERN Forever

    They may have forgotten that the ‘Father of Modern Science’ – Galileo Galilei was under (house) arrest for 9 years…

  • LERN Forever

    They may have forgotten that the ‘Father of Modern Science’ – Galileo Galilei was under (house) arrest for 9 years…

  • John DiTuro

    I would expect that the results of the report has already been covertly accessed. I would imagine that it is positive and as such becomes huge treat to conventional power generation firms. The anti-marketing campaign and disinformation apparatus is already in place and waiting in the wings for the go-ahead. The big firms have already spent 2 years planning for this day and huge amount of money. It is not going to be easy for Rossi. However, and I am sure he is aware of this as well, there are large firms, that are going to break with the oil, gas and coal cartel to exploit CF. The next few years are going to be very exciting in the power generation field.

    • Donk970

      Absolutely, there are literally trillions of dollars of potential lost revenues at stake here. You can bet that those who are at risk of loosing those trillions are very politically connected and will go to any extreme to protect there revenues.

  • Bernie777

    Do we know anything about the producers of the program? How did it originate?

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Do we know anything about the producers of the program? How did it originate?

  • Billy Jackson

    I have never understood the mindset of people who sit at home, have never accomplished anything of note, yet feel they are entitled to tear someones reputation down because of a mistake in their past. at the same time they want you to forgive and not hold any of their mistakes against them as they are “sorry, they didn’t mean for it to happen”. the double standard is appalling.

    It seems that now days people look for a reason to say “gotcha” be it a celebrity on TV or just someone slowly getting famous. accuracy or honest reporting does not seem to matter. just the oh he did that in his past never trust him! never!

    I could personally care less if Rossi at some time spent time in jail. or had to go to court over the petrodragon chemical thing..the courts found him not guilty, and if he ever spent time in jail he did his time to pay for his crime his debt to society is over for that particular incident.

    I would love to see those throwing Rossi’s past around as if its relevant spend a little time having their own mistakes examined and shoved back in their faces.. i get the feeling they would be “upset” that it was being held against them.

    Trust. But Verify. A mistake is not a reason to loose trust. repeated intentional deception is.. and i haven’t seen that here as most of what Rossi has claimed has born out to be valid in some form.

    • Manuel Cruz

      But Rossi’s work on petroldragon was not a mistake, unless by mistake you meant the italian mafia forcing Rossi out of business in Italia.

  • Billy Jackson

    I have never understood the mindset of people who sit at home, have never accomplished anything of note, yet feel they are entitled to tear someones reputation down because of a mistake in their past. at the same time they want you to forgive and not hold any of their mistakes against them as they are “sorry, they didn’t mean for it to happen”. the double standard is appalling.

    It seems that now days people look for a reason to say “gotcha” be it a celebrity on TV or just someone slowly getting famous. accuracy or honest reporting does not seem to matter. just the oh he did that in his past never trust him! never!

    I could personally care less if Rossi at some time spent time in jail. or had to go to court over the petrodragon chemical thing..the courts found him not guilty, and if he ever spent time in jail he did his time to pay for his crime his debt to society is over for that particular incident.

    I would love to see those throwing Rossi’s past around as if its relevant spend a little time having their own mistakes examined and shoved back in their faces.. i get the feeling they would be “upset” that it was being held against them.

    Trust. But Verify. A mistake is not a reason to loose trust. repeated intentional deception is.. and i haven’t seen that here as most of what Rossi has claimed has born out to be valid in some form.

    • Manuel Cruz

      But Rossi’s work on petroldragon was not a mistake, unless by mistake you meant the italian mafia forcing Rossi out of business in Italia.

  • Lu

    The timing of this 3-part report is very interesting. I wonder what the other two reports (not yet broadcast) will say, especially if they’ve already written Rossi off…

  • Lu

    The timing of this 3-part report is very interesting. I wonder what the other two reports (not yet broadcast) will say, especially if they’ve already written Rossi off…

  • bfast

    It’s been said, “the proof is in the pudding.” (Actually I believe the original expression was, “The proof of the pudding is in the eating.”) Either way, when Rossi opens a manufacturing facility selling e-cats, the skeptics will wither. Until he does, doubt, even pathological skepticism, is fair.

    • The proof of the pudding is in the eating is really real. Some innovator I know told me that E-cat/LENR would be accepted when you can show a shoebox that produce energy on a tabletop.

      However this fact is tragic.

      It is tragic that you need to complete an engineering cycle fully, to be able to sell a reactor, so that people believe in Fleischmann & Pons.
      because, let us be honest, the only reason people deny the test of Elforsk is that because it is cold fusion…
      they know that when E-cat is proven real Fleischmann will be vindicated.

      It is tragic that people on the planet from Nobel to homeless is convinced that Cold Fusion is debunked, while, it is public, THERE IS NO UNREFUTED WRITTEN CRITIC OF FLEISCHMANN&PONS CALORIMETRY.

      one one side you have one of the most recognized electrochemist of the 20th century that publish a paper on experiments. It is replicated by othere electrochemist like Bockris, by radichemist, various chemist, who use various methods to eliminate any possible atifact.

      on the other side you have:
      – failed experiments done by physicist
      – 4 written critics, all refuted because they contradict known calorimetry, and don’t explain the observation, and by the way because one of those paper refute the others and confirm the results.
      – evidence of frauds
      – evidence of rejection of article despite positive peer-review, , or upfront

      all to support the myth is errors, rumors, myths, frauds, collusion, groupthink, terrors against dissenters, defunding, demoting, harassment…

      so agains groupthink, the only way to fight planet-wide groupthink and terror is… eating the pudding…

      we have incredibly precise instruments, but people wait for eating the pudding.

      pathetic science

      • Billy Jackson

        its called disinformation. its goal is to confuse or propagate an outcome by distraction. the outcome they want is that it doesn’t work. so they have “muddied” the waters so to speak.. their is the truth, and then what everyone knows to be the truth.. they don’t always equal the same thing

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          And it is hard for me to believe that it is not an organized campaign against LENR

          • GreenWin

            It certainly has been lobbied against. Is anyone really surprised?

  • GreenWin

    The imminent appearance of the next E-Cat report is clearly seen as fossil/fission’s Last Stand. We can expect discrediting propaganda, character assassination, ad hominem attack online and from “trusted sources” such as public radio and MSM. The looming battle has been in preparation for several years. And, as one might suspect, propaganda tradecraft has become far more sophisticated than when Reich Minister Joseph Goebbles applied it in Nazi Germany.

    The attacks against Rossi et al will be orchestrated in part by the UK’s Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG)’s Human Science Operations Cell – a group focused on Online Covert Action. Exposure of this group and their tradecraft emerged in February via Snowden leak. Readers here would do well IMO to review these slides for an overview of how the attacks will be crafted.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

    • GreenWin

      More background on the Rossi attacks can be found at ECW’s Always Open Thread: http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/10/26/always-open-e-cat-world-thread/

      ‘Manipulate, Deceive And Destroy Reputations’ Grab some more popcorn and settle down for planetary drama of first order.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.” – Edward Bernays, ‘The Father of Spin’

      Goebbles was a follower of Bernays. Bernays was the nephew of Sigmund Freud.

      The internet is at once the most powerful tool of the ‘invisible ruling class’ and the media that’s most likely to bite them in the ass.

      • GreenWin

        Thanks Iggy. Never read Bernay – but will now.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      I agree we have just started to see the attacks on LENR.

      • bachcole

        I am immune to conspiracy theories and the nonsense that conspiracy theorists spew. However, I would not be the least bit surprised if you were right. When the new report comes out, I would expect that the skeptopaths will swarm like the demons in the movie Odd Thomas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_7tOWGvio

  • Freethinker

    Frank, agree fully.

    I have made a translation of both their aired program today.

    The latest, longer program:
    http://t.sr.se/1nPrvXl

    My translation/transcription is here:
    http://bit.ly/1jXweXw

    All this is made on the fly, so somethings may be a bit strangely translated, but I think you will get the gist of it.

    • artefact

      Thanks Freethinker!

  • Freethinker

    Frank, agree fully.

    I have made a translation.

    The latest, longer program:
    http://t.sr.se/1nPrvXl

    My translation/transcription is here:
    http://bit.ly/1jXweXw

    All this is made on the fly, so somethings may be a bit strangely translated, but I think you will get the gist of it.

    • artefact

      Thanks Freethinker!

    • Barbierir

      All the bias and lies make it a job for IH lawyers (if they’ll even bother). Hansson must have missed the little detail that Rossi is now backed by strong and professional partners. Even being benevolent, even allowing for Marcus Hansson being conned by Gary Wright and others sources, this is not acceptable journalism by any stretch of the imagination. He didn’t even try to make a fair presentation, it is all one sided, biased and deserving a lawsuit.

    • Fibb

      Thanks very much.. great work. I liked the [ominous/comedic music] add ons that set the scene very well.

  • A Swede

    Here we go again.

    And who is participating in the Swedish Radio series on Cold fusion?

    It is Stephan Pomp, a known writer for the The Swedish Skeptics Association, an organization that particularly sets its task to discredit false ideas about matters that can be resolved scientifically. Stephan and a fellow researcher (Göran Ericsson) has published outright slanderous articles about Andrea Rossi in the organizations periodicals (in march and november 2011). They also criticised the report “Indications of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device containing hydrogen loaded nickel powder” [arXiv:1305.3913] by G.Levi, E.Foschi, T.Hartman, B.Höistad, R.Pettersson, L.Tegnér, H.Essén – their criticism can be found here: http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6364

    The remaining two parts of the Radio series is broadcasted tomorrow and the day after. We are looking forward to the interview with Mats Lewan.

    • Curbina

      The odd thing is that Hanno Essen was the head of the Swedish Skeptic Association before gettig interested in the E-cat.

      • bachcole

        I guess that he was not afraid of what people said and exploring the unknown, and when faced with the evidence, he was not afraid to say that it was real.

        • Curbina

          Well, a rational person should never be afraid to be proven wrong, and also a true skeptic. Most people that describe themeselves as skeptics are really pseudoskeptics. It’s clear Mr. Essen is a true skeptic, and that the one possing as skeptic in this radio program is a pseudoskeptic.

    • GreenWin

      Thanks A Swede. One might think the attacks would be led by these two – Pomp and Circumstantial evidence.

    • Facepalm

      Google tranlated from eneregikatalysatorn.se:
      I have contacted Mats Lewan. He writes, among other things, that he was taken by surprise when the journalist started with a false claim and a number of suspicions.

      Mats:
      “I will respond in any way – it will probably be in a comment on SR’s website – but I am waiting until Vetenskapsradion has sent the interview.
      I’ve already sent emails to journalist and managing editor.”

  • Paul

    Probably, is not a very good idea make so much publicity to something that, clearly, is all but journalism. Suicides, for example, show sharp peaks (1 week and not only) after the release by media of a news of suicide. It is an emulation effect well recognized in the social science literature.

  • Paul

    Probably, is not a very good idea make so much publicity to something that, clearly, is all but journalism. Suicides, for example, show sharp peaks (1 week and not only) after the release by media of a news of suicide. It is an emulation effect well recognized in the social science literature.

  • GreenWin

    More background on the Rossi attacks can be found at ECW’s Always Open Thread: http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/10/26/always-open-e-cat-world-thread/

    ‘Manipulate, Deceive And Destroy Reputations’ Grab some more popcorn and settle down for planetary drama of first order.

  • AB

    This is probably a result of Lewan’s book being published, not due to some conspiracy.

  • AB

    This is probably a result of Lewan’s book being published, not due to some conspiracy.

    • Matt Sevrens

      I feel like if they had read his book that they’d understand that Rossi is not a deceiver at all. And they would understand the context for the events in his past.

  • Curbina

    The odd thing is that Hanno Essen was the head of the Swedish Skeptic Association before gettig interested in the E-cat.

  • GreenWin

    Thanks A Swede. One might think the attacks would be led by these two – Pomp and Circumstantial evidence.

  • Jonnyb

    So sad these guys can’t read the evidence, won’t be long now before hopefully we can all laugh at the skeptics.

    • GreenWin

      Some of us have been laughing since 2009 johnny!

  • Jonnyb

    So sad these guys can’t read the evidence, won’t be long now before hopefully we can all laugh at the skeptics.

    • bachcole

      I’m already laughing.

    • GreenWin

      Some of us have been laughing since 2009 johnny!

  • stefan

    I don’t like how they put a blame on the scientists for wanting to test the device properly. Claims that that was the reason IH is supposed to be fooled. Gosh, anybody that doesn’t do their due diligence to test the device and still invest to get a free ride to billions of worth doesn’t get my sympathy, they are equal cheap crooks as well. To actually validate that it works is so simple and IH claims that that has been done. No mentioning of that in the show, clearly a biased contribution to this saga.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    I don’t like how they put a blame on the scientists for wanting to test the device properly. Claims that that was the reason IH is supposed to be fooled. Gosh, anybody that doesn’t do their due diligence to test the device and still invest to get a free ride to billions of worth doesn’t get my sympathy, they are equal cheap crooks as well. To actually validate that it works is so simple and IH claims that that has been done. No mentioning of that in the show, clearly a biased contribution to this saga.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.” – Edward Bernays, ‘The Father of Spin’

  • MasterBlaster7

    Hey Frank. President did a science fair today and brought up the possibility of “new energy sources” you might wana look into that. Kinda like that coincidence of him being in the same research triangle as Rossi and IH. If there was a major future statement…this is how a president would be, subtly, positioning himself right now. Kinda just makes you go hmmm.

    • Alain Samoun

      Any links to this?

      • Paul Smith
        • MasterBlaster7

          no no no….here is the quote…..

          “As a society, we have to celebrate outstanding work by young people in
          science at least as much as we do Super Bowl winners because super-star
          biologists and engineers and rocket scientists and robot builders, they
          don’t always get the attention that they deserve, but they’re what’s
          going to transform our society,” he said. “They’re the folks who are
          going to come up with cures for diseases, and new sources of energy and
          help us build healthier and more successful societies.”

  • MasterBlaster7

    Hey Frank. President did a science fair today and brought up the possibility of “new energy sources” you might wana look into that. Kinda like that coincidence of him being in the same research triangle as Rossi and IH. If there was a major future statement…this is how a president would be, subtly, positioning himself right now. Kinda just makes you go hmmm.

    • Alain Samoun

      Any links to this?

      • Paul Smith
        • MasterBlaster7

          no no no….here is the quote…..

          “As a society, we have to celebrate outstanding work by young people in
          science at least as much as we do Super Bowl winners because super-star
          biologists and engineers and rocket scientists and robot builders, they
          don’t always get the attention that they deserve, but they’re what’s
          going to transform our society,” he said. “They’re the folks who are
          going to come up with cures for diseases, and new sources of energy and
          help us build healthier and more successful societies.”

    • bachcole

      That is definitely a “hmmmm” moment. Just the phrase “new energy sources”. If one were to get down to the nitty gritty of what “new energy sources” means, and given the President preference for environmentally friendly energy sources, what else could it mean other than LENR?

      You realize that if the President were to announce to the world the reality of cold fusion, he would be universally mocked and condemned. The CEO of freaking Mali would mock him. His credibility would be in the toilet. So, if Obama knows, it is not the least bit curious that he isn’t saying anything.

      • MasterBlaster7

        no…he wouldn’t announce it now. But, if Rossi had a successful commercial product, next year, he could come out and say…that we knew about it…and were cautiously optimistic….and then reference statements like these.

        • bachcole

          As much as I despise his political philosophy, I can’t blame him for this stance. Like I said, if he supported LENR now openly, he would instantly become the laughing stock of the world.

      • GreenWin

        Roger, do not forget the noted X-Prize people have essentially said the same thing – though they have used the phrase “Forbidden Energy.”

        After participating in a dramatic voting system that involved 3-D printed poker chips and glowsticks, the winner was declared: The Forbidden Energy XPrize for generating energy from an entirely new source, like cold fusion or zero point energy.” FastCompany Magazine 2014

        http://www.fastcoexist.com/3030775/thinking-big-is-the-easy-part-my-weekend-dreaming-up-the-next-xprize

  • Bernie777

    I agree we have just started to see the attacks on LENR.

  • Terje Trust

    I have followed this history carefully since the start. Im also native swedish speaking and a researcher specialized in trust and reputation. I think this journalist took the easy and comfortable path. He plotted the story like Mats Lewan, Hanno Essén and Sven Kullander were seduced by Rossi and had no integrity at all. He mentioned the researchers credentials including Hanno Esséns prominent role in the Swedish Sceptic Society. I think it would be much more interesting to have an angle were you ask THESES researchers HOW they can believe in Rossi in spite of his history and the very spectacular claims. Unfortunately Sven Kullander is not with us anymore. But Hanno Essén is. To me as a researcher focused on reputation and trust I find it very unlikely that these prominent researchers would risk ALL capital they have, namely the scientific currency of trust.

    • stefan

      The “quality” of this debunking is totally bogus; its simpleton logic tree has derived from single assumption “Rossia is a scam artist”. “Take the measurements then invest” is really a bad foundation for scam…

  • Alain Samoun

    What I would like to ask the swedes reading this blog, if the slanders made during this radio show will have any impact in Sweden? Is there many listeners to this radio?

    • Freethinker

      Listener that listen for atleast 3 minutes contiguous per day is about 13% of the population (of 9M people). The piece was aired 12.10 local time during lunch but I would still estimate it to a few thousands maximum for the full program. See the question is what the real percentage is of people that really listens as compared to them that just hear.

      • Alain Samoun

        Ok thanks, so not to worry much about it, we may make more noise about it that these incompetent journalists …

      • this radio broadcast have much impact like here

        http://cornucopia.cornubot.se/2014/05/vetenskapsradion-pekar-ut-e-cat-och.html?showComment=1401224262243#c6602762547862009308

        note that Pomp reacted on twitter

        there will be blood.

        • Omega Z

          OK, 1st paragraph indicates they know very little. Their speaking of the LT E-cat. They appear to be stuck in 1/1/2011.

          “I have come to the conclusion that the whole thing is a simple trick with pressurization of water, so you can measure temperatures over 100 degrees without actually burning energy in steam formation late al productions. A variant, which explains the hydrogen tube is that hydrogen expands quite dramatically when heated and hydrogen is then serves to bring up the pressure so you can measure the “boiling water”, though it really does not boil.”

          They don’t grasp that the NI/H is separated from the water.
          They also speak of melted salts secretly storing energy.
          If such a small quantity could hold so much heat would be of scientific interest by itself. 🙂
          As to all your links posted for them, They apparently can’t read.

  • Alain Samoun

    What I would like to ask the swedes reading this blog, if the slanders made during this radio show will have any impact in Sweden? Is there many listeners to this radio?

    • Freethinker

      Listener that listen for atleast 3 minutes contiguous per day is about 13% of the population (of 9M people). The piece was aired 12.10 local time during lunch but I would still estimate it to a few thousands maximum for the full program. See the question is what the real percentage is of people that really listens as compared to them that just hear.

      • Alain Samoun

        Ok thanks, so not to worry much about it, we may make more noise about it that these incompetent journalists …

      • this radio broadcast have much impact like here

        http://cornucopia.cornubot.se/2014/05/vetenskapsradion-pekar-ut-e-cat-och.html?showComment=1401224262243#c6602762547862009308

        note that Pomp reacted on twitter

        there will be blood.

        • Omega Z

          OK, 1st paragraph indicates they know very little. Their speaking of the LT E-cat. They appear to be stuck in 1/1/2011.

          “I have come to the conclusion that the whole thing is a simple trick with pressurization of water, so you can measure temperatures over 100 degrees without actually burning energy in steam formation late al productions. A variant, which explains the hydrogen tube is that hydrogen expands quite dramatically when heated and hydrogen is then serves to bring up the pressure so you can measure the “boiling water”, though it really does not boil.”

          They don’t grasp that the NI/H is separated from the water.
          They also speak of melted salts secretly storing energy.
          If such a small quantity could hold so much heat would be of scientific interest by itself. 🙂
          As to all your links posted for them, They apparently can’t read.

    • Mike

      The show is broadcasted in Swedish Radio channel 1, which concentrates on news, dicussions etc. No music whatsoever. Today, the program foussed on experiments made in Sweden, but they are not published since the tests failed, the e-cat broke down. It was a part of 2-3 hour news program including national and international news, sports and culture news. Channel 1 is probably the most respected news desk in Sweden. Roughly 10 percent of the Swedish population listen to Channel 1 daily, and 40 % listen to all channels. Channel 1 has probably more active listeners due to the program content. Very very few have heard of the e-cat before.

  • kasom

    hold Your horses, it is just a last showdown of Pomp an circumstances, Krivit, Wright and the like.
    If the e-cat wouldn’t work, the test would have ended after some weeks.

    So I think,the tech works, but what really makes me wonder, is the fact, that A.R. never agreed that cascading can improve the results. If I had an OU-Device of what kind ever, cascading were the first thing to try…………

    • Omega Z

      Actually, On JONP, Rossi has talked about the possibility of cascading. He’s resistance isn’t based on whether it’s possible as he has suggested that it is. With “pseudo” Infinite COP. However it isn’t a desired approach due to reliability, Safety and Control issue’s.

      Aside from these issue’s, the E-cat also has inherent issue’s not well suited to this.

  • Broncobet

    Testing

  • Freethinker

    Well,

    I do believe that this is an effort with a purpose and the timing is deliberate. I do not put it beyond the possibility that Marcus Hansson, being a freelancer, is actually being paid to do this – and then I am not talking about the ordinary fee he would receive from SR.

    The very language used, the factual errors, the lack of insight in current state of things regarding LENR, the intensity in the personal attack, the “mauvais goût” attack on a dead mans character. Amazing that he did not drag in Focardi in this as well…

    Kullander is dead, Essén is a retiree. Sure. Why not. Call them both gullible and incompetent. But they are not. It is amazing how many times he so carefully spell out the different institutions these two gentlemen belonged or belong to and their stature. That is the very thing that makes his allegations ridiculous.

    On the other side, this fine piece of “journalist” – by the way, what is his own background? – , pretending to be a science journalist, no less, see no problem in depriving a concept, a theory, an idea, a fair hearing.

    He simply can not wrap his head around the fact that it does not matter what Rossi HAS DONE, no matter how much he wants to assassinate his character, what matter is what Rossi claim and if those claims has been sufficiently tested. And they have, or so says an american investment firm that managed to pull in $12M for this venture, and where the CEO is traveling across the world to organize business.

    The very people he cut down, one dead and cannot defend himself, the other no doubt bamboozled into this hostile interview, have both been – by the nature of their stature and their knowledge – demonstrating that the ECAT works.

    My hope is that SR will be hit by a proverbial shit-storm and that this individual is never allowed to do work in the Swedish public service media, ever again.

  • Fibb

    the didn’t spend much time exploring Cherokee/Industrial Heat did they. How long has IH been working with Rossi? 12-18 months? You would think they’d have figured out by now whether Rossi was faking or not.

    • Omega Z

      ummm, It wasn’t included in the talking points.
      The should hire better script writers.

  • GreenWin

    Thanks Iggy. Never read Bernay – but will now.

  • Charles

    What was it Yogi said?

    • Omega Z

      Quick Boo Boo, Hide the Picnic Basket.
      Here comes the Ranger. 🙂

  • Charles

    What was it Yogi said?

    • Omega Z

      Quick Boo Boo, Hide the Picnic Basket.
      Here comes the Ranger. 🙂

    • Achi

      Yogi Bear: Boo Boo, you’ve tried to stop my brilliant ideas with common sense a thousand times. Has it ever worked?
      Boo Boo: No.
      Yogi Bear: Then… let’s go-go-go!

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Should I believe Marcus Hansson or Robert Duncan?

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      Mitsubishi’s and Toyota’s transmutation experiments were inspired by F&P’s work. So, they must be all wrong too.

      • Omega Z

        Naysayers claim Mitsubishi’s work was never replicated. They should have those blinders surgically removed. Maybe up their medications also. Their delusions that No one has credibility is getting out of hand.

        Robert Duncan- Hands Down. Real Science pays attention to the unexpected results. This is where real knowledge comes from.
        The Expected results is from knowledge we already have.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Should I believe Marcus Hansson or Robert Duncan?

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      Mitsubishi’s and Toyota’s transmutation experiments were inspired by F&P’s work. So, they must be all wrong too.

      • Omega Z

        Naysayers claim Mitsubishi’s work was never replicated. They should have those blinders surgically removed. Maybe up their medications also. Their delusions that No one has credibility is getting out of hand.

        Robert Duncan- Hands Down. Real Science pays attention to the unexpected results. This is where real knowledge comes from.
        The Expected results is from knowledge we already have.

      • Yo Hobie

        And the USPTO!! They got fooled into issuing patents to Mitsubishi and the U.S. Navy.

  • don’t feel ashamed as nation, as unlike France or alike Sweden institution gave a chance to e-cat, LENR…

    if you can relay informations in the debate in swedish, it could help

    I gave thos ein english

    http://cornucopia.cornubot.se/2014/05/vetenskapsradion-pekar-ut-e-cat-och.html?showComment=1401224262243#c6602762547862009308

    but I feel always uncomfortable to talk in english in a foreign forum…

    for me, the most important is not to argue with skeptics who will never admit, but give honest data to lukewarmers who may be curious…

    as you notice, I give much weight in the book of Beaudette, in the titanic article of jed, in Bo Hoistad answer to Pomp&ericsson, in groupthink theory of Benabou, kuhn…

    as you like 😉 time to spread the data, not the opinions.

  • Omega Z

    The best Defense is a good Offense. This Radio Show is a part of it.
    I’ve noted in the last week or so that entities are already preparing to attack the 3rd party testers. Nothing new, Just stepping it up…

    I’m aware of this knowledge long ago. Levi has never hid it. It’s on his Social media sites, But someone has brought up that Levi has great interest in Magicians, Illusionists & slight of hand tricks. Well, you can see where this person is heading. Levi’s helping Rossi decieve everyone…

    Their also retro nitpicking the previous 3rd party test & the data. Most here are aware that the Nov/Dec tests were different from the March test. The 1st being 2 or 3 phase & the last was a single phase electrical setup. They were also 2 different H-Cats. Yep, The 1st one melted down so it’s a no brainier. This is an after thought on my part, but it’s My Opinion that the March H-Cat was the new fangled Mouse/Cat. We all missed this I think at the time.

    Anyway, These different tests & setups are a Rich Environment for them to scrutinize for attack strategies. They seem aware that DC voltage will be ruled out. That doesn’t stop them from discussing how to fool test equipment like the PC-830 and such including changing internal components.

    This has been influenced by the DGT water flow fiasco, Except, Feeding larger Electrical Input matching or exceeding Output while input readings show much less. They overlook the fact that Electrical Engineers already excluded this possibility with the fact that the wires were not heavy enough to handle that voltage. The insulation would melt & wires would burn in two. It doesn’t seem to bother them that this is an old debunked argument. They also bring up that no readings were done between the control box 7 the Reactor. If I recall, Readings were done both from the mains & after the control box. Of course they also bring up the ground/neutral line theory, Of which was specifically note in the report as Not being connected & laying on the bench. And according to them, There was No dummy test done. Ever, Just hearsay. They also mention Data Swap Software to display/record predetermined Data. Note several approaches involve Intent, Not errors. Their primary intent seems to be aimed at Attacking the integraty of those involved. As the publishing of the test report draws near, Expect ever increasing attacks.

    Warning: Google Translate is my 2nd language. However, I felt there were inklings of “Some” people involved with Hot Fusion/ITER behind the scenes at least Instigating some of these assaults.
    I Doubt the advent of LENR will stop this research nor would I really want to discourage such research. Knowledge is knowledge, But with the fiasco’s & way over budget issue’s, I strongly expect it to put a Major Dent in it’s Funding. And it Should.

  • Omega Z

    The best Defense is a good Offense. This Radio Show is a part of it.
    I’ve noted in the last week or so that entities are already preparing to attack the 3rd party testers. Nothing new, Just stepping it up…

    I’m aware of this knowledge long ago. Levi has never hid it. It’s on his Social media sites, But someone has brought up that Levi has great interest in Magicians, Illusionists & slight of hand tricks. Well, you can see where this person is heading. Levi’s helping Rossi decieve everyone…

    Their also retro nitpicking the previous 3rd party test & the data. Most here are aware that the Nov/Dec tests were different from the March test. The 1st being 2 or 3 phase & the last was a single phase electrical setup. They were also 2 different H-Cats. Yep, The 1st one melted down so it’s a no brainier. This is an after thought on my part, but it’s My Opinion that the March H-Cat was the new fangled Mouse/Cat. We all missed this I think at the time.

    Anyway, These different tests & setups are a Rich Environment for them to scrutinize for attack strategies. They seem aware that DC voltage will be ruled out. That doesn’t stop them from discussing how to fool test equipment like the PC-830 and such including changing internal components.

    This has been influenced by the DGT water flow fiasco, Except, Feeding larger Electrical Input matching or exceeding Output while input readings show much less. They overlook the fact that Electrical Engineers already excluded this possibility with the fact that the wires were not heavy enough to handle that voltage. The insulation would melt & wires would burn in two. It doesn’t seem to bother them that this is an old debunked argument. They also bring up that no readings were done between the control box 7 the Reactor. If I recall, Readings were done both from the mains & after the control box. Of course they also bring up the ground/neutral line theory, Of which was specifically note in the report as Not being connected & laying on the bench. And according to them, There was No dummy test done. Ever, Just hearsay. They also mention Data Swap Software to display/record predetermined Data. Note several approaches involve Intent, Not errors. Their primary intent seems to be aimed at Attacking the integraty of those involved. As the publishing of the test report draws near, Expect ever increasing attacks.

    Warning: Google Translate is my 2nd language. However, I felt there were inklings of “Some” people involved with Hot Fusion/ITER behind the scenes at least Instigating some of these assaults.
    I Doubt the advent of LENR will stop this research nor would I really want to discourage such research. Knowledge is knowledge, But with the fiasco’s & way over budget issue’s, I strongly expect it to put a Major Dent in it’s Funding. And it Should.

  • Omega Z

    ummm, It wasn’t included in the talking points.
    The should hire better script writers.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Marcus Hansson has never been to jail. So, he must be a really forthright and responsible guy. I’m sure he’ll be looking into and reporting on what Eugene Mallove had to say http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y98YwJ2GEE
    in part 2 of his radio show.

  • First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win

    In the patho-skeptics understanding of the current situation, Rossi
    * fooled Focardi for years
    * fooled or conspired with Fioravanti in the validation of the prototype 1 MW plant, Oct 2011
    * fooled or conspired with Penon in an in-house performance and security validation, Aug 2012
    * fooled all 7 investigators (or perhaps conspired with Levi to fool the remaining investigators) during tests of 3 separate E-Cats over a period of weeks in late 2012 and early 2013. During this period the investigators had complete freedom to measure anything using any technique. Even rigged the first one to melt.
    * fooled Darden and Vaughn into creating Industrial Heat and assembling more than $11M in investment. Fooled the independent expert that Industrial Heat publicly claimed verified the reactors worked on their behalf.
    * has continued to work at Industrial Heat for more than one year, in ever more ambitious R&D and non-stop internal testing — even though the devices don’t really work; he’s somehow been able to hide that from all the in-house engineers and scientists involved.
    * agreed to permit off-site testing for approximately a six month period by a group of experts again having complete freedom of access and measurement…. despite having already “cashed in” on his supposed investment scam.

    And about 10 companies from all around the world are following in his footsteps hoping to milk some cash out of the giant scam cow Rossi has created.

    Time to stop being nice. People who believe the above are idiots. If you believe all of the above YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Or worse.

    • Fibb

      good post.

    • Ophelia Rump

      You left out fooled NASA and Mitsubishi, Siemens and General Electric.
      and on and on.

      • Indeed. Trying to strike a balance between thorough and readable.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Very challenging in this case.

          I forgot the Chinese, all 1.35 Billion of them.

    • jousterusa

      You left out the most impossible deception of all: that he may have fooled the Chinese scientists who bet their careers on developing it in their sparkling new industrial park.

      • Not 100% clear yet what’s happening in China. Trying to stick with the facts.

  • stefan

    >”He lies all the time but people believe he still says Sylvie Coyaud.”

    The assertion above is really only the “facts” in this round of LENR debunking. I looked through all Sylvie points, there is literally no factual substance there – NONE. The prime argument is: “Rossi is a scum artist so everything from Rossi is a scum”.
    Well, it is not a matter of discussion today it is matter of measurements…
    – “do measurement then invest”, with LENR people may take measurement before investing, who has failed to do a proper measurements deserves to lose money…
    mainstream fusion says totally opposite:
    – “invest and maybe in 10…50 years you will be able to do the measurements”.
    No surprise that LENR irritates mainstream so mach and Sylvia’s totally bogus “investigation” found its audience…

    • Freethinker

      Agree,

      My impression: Sylvie Coyaud is pure “belony”.

  • Ophelia Rump

    It is simply too late for that tactic to kill this technology, pass the popcorn!
    This is about to get interesting.

  • Ophelia Rump

    It is simply too late for that tactic to kill this technology, pass the popcorn!
    This is about to get interesting.

    Has anyone else noticed that hit pieces seem to rehash the same garbage argument every couple of year without updating on anything that has happened since.

    They seem to have used their entire playbook of Madlibs attacks, as if no one has ever lasted this long, so they have no more plays to run.

  • Sandy

    Sveriges Radio has broadcast a lame attempt to discredit LENR. They will succeed in making a few people believe that LENR research and technology is totally bogus. They have done a disservice to their listeners in particular and to the people of Sweden in general. The operators of Sveriges Radio should be ashamed of themselves.

    • those pathetic critics will be accepted thanksfully by most people..

      http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4.

      Taubes wrote his book using the same methods employed by sensation-mongering reporters in 1912: he pieced together second-hand rumors and made wild guesses about a subject he does not understand.

      Although more than a thousand peer-reviewed papers were published by the time Taubes wrote the book, he did not reference a single one of them in the footnotes. His descriptions of the experiments are wildly at variance with the facts, in major and minor details, so it seems unlikely that he read a paper. Describing an experiment is an exacting task, even when you understand electricity, you read the paper, visit the lab, and ask the experimenter to review your description. When a scientifically illiterate person tries to imagine how an experiment works based on allegations made by people who despise the research, indescribable confusion and distortion result.

      Taubes’ book was recommended in enthusiastic blurbs by four Nobel laureates and the chairman of the American Association of the Advancement of Science. These people could not have actually read the book, or if they did, their judgment was skewed by animosity. This shows how easy it is to spread false information, and how careless distinguished scientists can be. It takes only a small group of people to
      poison the well of public opinion. There may be a few other active critics in the mass media, but most attacks originate from these four: Morrison, Park, Huizenga, and Taubes. They are not famous or influential. They succeed because many scientists bear a grudge against cold fusion, and are willing to believe the worst about it. When Robert Park attacked it with inflammatory ad hominem rhetoric, a room packed with hundreds of members of the American Physical Society (APS) applauded and cheered.”

      so nothing new

      the solution is not to convince the physicist who are immune to experiments…

      you spread the data, and let engineers read the data and understand the tragedy….
      It is what I try to do. spread facts.

      just reading the book of Charles Beaudette makes things clear… crystal clear.
      http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf#page=35

      That article of Jed is more to understand how the scientific community get fooled like any scam victim.

      • bachcole

        This reminds me of the situation with Vitamin C. Hundreds of glowing reports and studies about Vitamin C, and the lamestream remains silent. One negative study from the Mayo Clinic, and doctors can’t move fast enough to nay-say Vitamin C.

  • Omega Z

    The Oldest profession is Prostitution.
    Ohhh, Got It… 🙂

  • clovis ray

    I believe, that when this report is out, kady bar the door, no one will be able to keep this tech secret any longer, i hope it goes viral, the quicker the better. our planet needs this tech now.

  • clovis ray

    I believe, that when this report is out, kady bar the door, no one will be able to keep this tech secret any longer, i hope it goes viral, the quicker the better. our planet needs this tech now.

  • jousterusa

    There is likely to be a “back story” associated with this attack. It appears that the report wants to portray Swedish scientists as victims. There are several dimensions this could occupy: 1) it may be that there has been a falling-out between Rossi and Hydro Fusion and the scientists there; 2) there may have been a disagreement over money between the Swedish scientists and Rossi, who may have expected to share in some portion whatever he received from the Industrial Heat LLC deal with them; 3) personally, I think this is an attempt to head off a possible Nobel Prize in Physics nomination for Rossi from the Royal Academy of Sciences professor who sits on the Nobel Prize Committee for the Chemistry prize. A fourth possibility is that someone is trying very hard to discredit Mats Lewan – someone like Steven Krivits, who once thought he would participate financially in the E-Cat’s success, I believe.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      I think it is just lazy journalism. Anyone researching Rossi will clearly find the Krivit pages and if I had read those without knowing the story I might be a skeptic also.
      Nothing related to Cold Fusion will enter the realm of consideration for Nobel Prizes until it goes mainstream, and even then I think Pons/Fleischmann deserve their due.

      • Omega Z

        Nobel Prize is given to the living. Pons would still be eligible.

  • jousterusa

    There is likely to be a “back story” associated with this attack. It appears that the report wants to portray Swedish scientists as victims. There are several dimensions this could occupy: 1) it may be that there has been a falling-out between Rossi and Hydro Fusion and the scientists there; 2) there may have been a disagreement over money between the Swedish scientists and Rossi, who may have expected to share in some portion whatever he received from the Industrial Heat LLC deal with them; 3) personally, I think this is an attempt to head off a possible Nobel Prize in Physics nomination for Rossi from the Royal Academy of Sciences professor who sits on the Nobel Prize Committee for the Chemistry prize. A fourth possibility is that someone is trying very hard to discredit Mats Lewan – someone like Steven Krivits, who once thought he would participate financially in the E-Cat’s success, I believe.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      I think it is just lazy journalism. Anyone researching Rossi will clearly find the Krivit pages and if I had read those without knowing the story I might be a skeptic also.
      Nothing related to Cold Fusion will enter the realm of consideration for Nobel Prizes until it goes mainstream, and even then I think Pons/Fleischmann deserve their due.

      • Mats

        I think the driver behind this is simply scare from the institutions that has been dragged into this story, their management did not ask for it. They must be able to defend themselfes IF this turn out to be scam whatever the odds for it.

      • Omega Z

        Nobel Prize is given to the living. Pons would still be eligible.

  • Curbina

    Well, a rational person should never be afraid to be proven wrong, and also a true skeptic. Most people that describe themeselves as skeptics are really pseudoskeptics. It’s clear Mr. Essen is a true skeptic, and that the one possing as skeptic in this radio program is a pseudoskeptic.

  • georgehants

    Science
    Bizarre Soviet-Era Theory About New State Of Matter Is Actually Right
    http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/05/a-bizarre-soviet-era-theory-about-nesting-matter-is-actually-right/

    • bachcole

      That was very fascinating, for smart people, I’m sure. Is there a version for people like me. (:->)

      • georgehants

        Roger, just another scientist who does great work and is laughed at and abused by the rest of science.

    • Freethinker

      He is a character, Vitaly Efimov. Check this out:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SXO4qrmVjg

      🙂

      • georgehants

        Ha, of course, but think of the debunking and abuse he has had to suffer from so called clever scientific colleagues etc. for 44 years.
        As usual on these pages everybody jumps against reporters etc. but the debunking and abuse of Rossi and all of Cold Fusion from science and scientists (about 95% of them) seems to be hidden away.
        No topic page written by Admin on the latest denials by science.
        One honest editorial in a so called premier science journal would end all of the delay in Cold Fusion.

  • malkom700

    From the above it is clear that the best way to support LENR is the delivery functional LENR devices on the market. Those who disbelieve, so let pay the old energy prices, as punishment.

  • malkom700

    From the above it is clear that the best way to support LENR is the delivery functional LENR devices on the market. Those who disbelieve, so let pay the old energy prices, as punishment.

  • georgehants

    National Report
    Solar Panels Drain the Sun’s Energy, Experts Say
    This week, a scientific research facility in Wyoming made a
    startling discovery that is certain to change the way millions of
    Americans look at the environmentalism movement, after they found
    conclusive evidence that solar panels not only convert the sun’s energy
    into usable energy, but that they are also draining the sun of its own
    energy, possibly with catastrophic consequences far worse than global
    warming. – See more at:
    http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

    • Freethinker

      Hmm… collecting incident photons eminating from the Sun, that would be there anyway, if we collected them or not, would cause the Sun to loose energy ….. So we should not collect them then … I am not really convinced that the current behaviour of the Sun is due to photon conversion to electricity on Earth. The photon being an uncharged particle has only one course – out and away from the stars that eminate it. Hence we are able to see other stars.

      Imagine the havoc we may cause on all those extra solar planets that has been discovered as we observe them with our CCD cameras at the telescopes on ground and in space.

      If you go to Haliburtons home page you see that there are no recent press releases relating to solar power. I think there is a lack of EVIDENCE here George, to support the TRUTH as given by this privately owned think-tank, Wyoming Institute of Technology.

      We must be vigilant so the TRUTH is not supressed, but we still need to demand EVIDENCE. Just by saying so, does not make it so.

      Otherwise, nice link.

      • georgehants

        Freethinker, I have said nothing regarding the report so please do not judge me on what is said.
        I leave the analysis of this “amazing” scientific work to be commented on by more qualified people.

        • Freethinker

          🙂 True. Sorry if I made it out as a judging of you. Not my intent, really. Thanks for the links.

          • georgehants

            :- )

  • georgehants

    National Report
    Solar Panels Drain the Sun’s Energy, Experts Say
    This week, a scientific research facility in Wyoming made a
    startling discovery that is certain to change the way millions of
    Americans look at the environmentalism movement, after they found
    conclusive evidence that solar panels not only convert the sun’s energy
    into usable energy, but that they are also draining the sun of its own
    energy, possibly with catastrophic consequences far worse than global
    warming. – See more at:
    http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

    • Timar

      Now this is the most mind-boggling, utterly hilarious BS I have ever read! If you really believe this you are beyond help… but you certainly thought of it as a joke, right?

      • georgehants

        Timar, I have put up a link, please do not involve me in your analysis.
        This is the work of “scientists” and there are many other “scientists” on page, it will be interesting to see yours and their comments.

        • Timar

          This is not the work of “scientists” but of an online satire magazine lampooning the the anti-renewable, anti-science propaganda spread by right-wing media outlets and think-tanks financed by Big Industry.

          The whole idea that solar cells “suck photons out of the sun” is so insanely ridiculous that it is really beyond me how anyone can take it seriously…

          • georgehants

            It would be very difficult to ever decide the fairy stories of official science
            given as facts and consensus and laws etc. from those of a drunk
            novelist.

    • Freethinker

      Hmm… collecting incident photons eminating from the Sun, that would be there anyway, if we collected them or not, would cause the Sun to loose energy ….. So we should not collect them then … I am not really convinced that the current behaviour of the Sun is due to photon conversion to electricity on Earth. The photon being an uncharged particle has only one course – out and away from the stars that eminate it. Hence we are able to see other stars.

      Imagine the havoc we may cause on all those extra solar planets that has been discovered as we observe them with our CCD cameras at the telescopes on ground and in space.

      If you go to Haliburtons home page you see that there are no recent press releases relating to solar power. I think there is a lack of EVIDENCE here George, to support the TRUTH as given by this privately owned think-tank, Wyoming Institute of Technology.

      We must be vigilant so the TRUTH is not supressed, but we still need to demand EVIDENCE. Just by saying so, does not make it so.

      Otherwise, nice link.

      • georgehants

        Freethinker, I have said nothing regarding the report so please do not judge me on what is said.
        I leave the analysis of this “amazing” scientific work to be commented on by more qualified people.

        • Freethinker

          🙂 True. Sorry if I made it out as a judging of you. Not my intent, really. Thanks for the links.

          • georgehants

            :- )

      • bachcole

        I am pretty certain that it was intended as a joke.

    • Barbierir

      it is satirical website, like The Onion

      • georgehants

        Barbierir, I think you taking notice of the report and not the Website reporting would be wise.

        • Barbierir

          There is no report, only a made up satirical piece. I hope you’re joking 🙂

          • georgehants

            It would be very difficult to ever decide the fairy stories of official science given as facts and consensus and laws etc. from those of a drunk novelist.

          • GreenWin

            Ah, George, I can see you’re in fine fiddle today. The best is yet to come, so have a pleasant evening friend.

          • georgehants

            Ha GreenWin, first time I think I have caught you out, the old English saying is “in fine fettle.” (I think.)
            Thanks though, I know what you mean, We wait for “the best”.

  • Freethinker

    Agree,

    My impression: Sylvie Coyaud is pure “belony”.

  • georgehants

    The Major Blunders That Held Back Progress in Modern Astronomy
    It turns out astronomers are susceptible to prejudice, bias and wrong-thinking, just like everybody else.
    Mark Twain once said, “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”
    The history of science provides many entertaining examples. So today,
    Abraham Loeb at Harvard University in Cambridge, scour the history books
    for examples from the world of astronomy.
    https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/77becd39e530

  • georgehants

    The Major Blunders That Held Back Progress in Modern Astronomy
    It turns out astronomers are susceptible to prejudice, bias and wrong-thinking, just like everybody else.
    Mark Twain once said, “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”
    The history of science provides many entertaining examples. So today,
    Abraham Loeb at Harvard University in Cambridge, scour the history books
    for examples from the world of astronomy.
    https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/77becd39e530

  • georgehants

    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a
    continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by
    menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them
    imaginary.
    H.L. Mencken

    • GreenWin

      What? You mean, al queda, avian flu, swine flu, Hong Kong flu, Sarin gas, cyclones, anthrax, sleeper cells, weapons of mass destruction, global warming, 911, asteroids, killer fires, red rain, ozone, suitcase bombs, methane, climate change, hostile aliens, sea level rise, more weapons of mass destruction, tornadoes, homeopathy, greenhouse gas, autism, chemical weapons, sun spots, mother rapers, super storms, financial collapse, hurricanes, peak oil, ice age, “forbidden energy”, shoe bombs, CO2, box cutters, friendly aliens, drowning polar bears… that’s just the last 15 years of this dysfunctional excuse for a simulated world.

      • Fortyniner

        It’s just as well I’m wearing my brown trousers…

  • georgehants

    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a
    continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by
    menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them
    imaginary.
    H.L. Mencken

    • GreenWin

      What? You mean, al queda, avian flu, swine flu, Hong Kong flu, Sarin gas, cyclones, anthrax, sleeper cells, weapons of mass destruction, global warming, 911, asteroids, killer fires, red rain, ozone, suitcase bombs, methane, climate change, hostile aliens, sea level rise, more weapons of mass destruction, tornadoes, homeopathy, greenhouse gas, autism, chemical weapons, sun spots, mother rapers, super storms, financial collapse, hurricanes, peak oil, ice age, “forbidden energy”, shoe bombs, CO2, box cutters, friendly aliens, drowning polar bears… that’s just the last 15 years of this dysfunctional excuse for a simulated world.

      • It’s just as well I’m wearing my brown trousers…

  • georgehants

    A page of over 100 comments most all blaming dumb reporters etc. for the problems of Cold Fusion.
    The whole fiasco of Cold Fusion can be traced and proven to be the incompetence and corruption of science.
    This continues to this very day and trying to pass the blame onto others is just more of the same corruption and incompetence by others.
    Science is wholly and totally responsible for the deaths and suffering caused by a 25 year delay in the utilisation of this technology.
    What is to be done about it?

    • GreenWin

      Strongly support political representatives who will back and follow through on Congressional and Parliamentary investigations with the goal of reform. i.e., “Throw the bums out!”

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Even Pons/Fleischmann could not replicate their claims at the time. The press release was far to premature.

      I would target the media/public for blame. Look at how CF was treated 25 years ago. Pons/Fleischmann were practically given a parade down Main Street, but if they had the same news today it would be overridden by news of how fast Justin Bieber finished with a South American hooker, or why Kim Kardashian skipped her Starbucks coffee.

      There are over 7 billion people on this planet and if none of them hear about LENR then how can we expect them to know of it.

      I have written many letters to media, and hundreds of Hybrid Car Scientists. This is at least semi-pro active.

      Instead of constantly complaining about science which is responsible for all your luxuries including your bed, computer, virtual girlfriend, toothbrush, and television. Why not actually try to make a change.

      • georgehants

        friendlyprogrammer, I would suggest you and your colleagues write to your corrupt and incompetent science journals and administrators demanding to know when an Honest report on the Research into Cold Fusion will be published.
        If you act like a scientist you may realise that comparing one failure to one success to try and hide the failures of science in many areas is illogical in the extreme.

    • John DiTuro

      I presented at an Energy and Aerospace Conference in Colorado in 1998. Before my presentation I sat in the audience. I overheard a conversation between several scientists from MIT, Brown, The Fermi Lab and Office of Naval Research and discussing their progress in CF. All of them were able to replicate Pons and Fleischman’s original experiment despite was being presented in the Media. The key as was discussed was the purity of the palladium electrode. Any impurities would retard the reaction. That conversation has been forever been etched in my mind and represents where we actually are in 2014 sixteen years later. With the US ONR purchasing two of Rossi’s E-Cats I would say that this serious, no matter how many Media Trolls the Energy firms employ to try to spin public sentiment. I would suggest their efforts would be better spent on getting on board before the train leaves the station.

      • georgehants

        John, obviously the scientists you overheard discussing their successful replications would have immediately written-up papers on their work.
        Are you telling me that no “premier” scientific journal found a new form of Energy interesting enough to publish their results and notify the World to encourage all of science to Research the subject of Cold Fusion.
        Seems pretty incompetent or even corrupt to me.

        • Mats

          Worst case scenario IMO: The coming report is positive but then we only see more ‘Rossi says’, possibly also ‘IH representative says’. The credability of the writers of the report will suffer badly if not the real goods will be shown up to the world shortly after. IMO Rossi and IH are moral obliged to these people to deliver very soon after a positive report. At least one public installation.
          I that’s not the case, the field will still fascinate me but Rossi/IH will not.

          • Daniel Maris

            Absolutely. IH will have to follow up or we can only conclude it has all been a sophisticated scam. However, I am reasonably optimistic.

          • GreenWin

            Yeah sure Mats. “Morally obliged.” Complete bullsheit. Manufacturing and certifying a commercial product of this disruptive scale takes years after a laboratory validation. You seem confused by the difference between commercial product manufacturing and marketing and experimental evidence. The language used casts your lot near to the pathology of shilldom. Sorry.

      • Foks0904 .

        Pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing. But of course, because it’s anecdotal, it never happened. J/K.

    • clovis ray

      I totally agree George, if we don’t hold them accountable we will always have to watch our back, for the occasional, knife . but let’s hold off until we get things going our way first, and then bring the hammer down, when they least expect it.i believe MIT knew about the coverup, and preptisapited in it. a huge fine should be levied, and give as scholarships to other universities and also small labs, working on green tech, ideas, like leap forward, and our own alan smith, how appropriate would that be lol.
      .

      • georgehants

        Clovis, nice to meet an Honest concerned scientist, rare as hens teeth, do you think it would be appropriate to have a Topic page giving the named scientists who have incompetently abused and debunked Cold Fusion from it’s beginning to now.
        As always my admiration and love go out to those few True scientists who work on in many areas against the horrendous pressure exerted on them to conform by their sad colleagues and holy administration.

        • clovis ray

          george, i do, think this would be appropriate, at some time ahead, but we need to have a firm footing, to begin this task, it should be thorley researched, with facts, documents,fraudulent graphs, charts, as well as names, and organizations, oral and written statements, and the like.
          but as i said before we will have to wait until we can see what will happen with the 3rd party report when it is made available and how well it is excepted,

          • georgehants

            clovis understand your point and you are probably right, would just say that even if Cold Fusion turned out to be nothing, the way it and people have been treated by other scientists and the establishment remains intolerable.
            Best

          • bachcole

            I see absolutely no idea for wait. But I would not limit it to people we know to be scientists. Maryyugo and everyone else who has latched onto the negative and ignored the positive should be listed with all of their aliases.

          • clovis ray

            agreed,

  • georgehants

    A page of over 100 comments most all blaming dumb reporters etc. for the problems of Cold Fusion.
    The whole fiasco of Cold Fusion can be traced and proven to be the incompetence and corruption of science.
    This continues to this very day and trying to pass the blame onto others is just more of the same corruption and incompetence by others.
    Science is wholly and totally responsible for the deaths and suffering caused by a 25 year delay in the utilisation of this technology.
    What is to be done about it?

    • GreenWin

      Strongly support political representatives who will back and follow through on Congressional and Parliamentary investigations with the goal of reform. i.e., “Throw the bums out!”

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Even Pons/Fleischmann could not replicate their claims at the time. The press release was far to premature.

      I would target the media/public for blame. Look at how CF was treated 25 years ago. Pons/Fleischmann were practically given a parade down Main Street, but if they had the same news today it would be overridden by news of how fast Justin Bieber finished with a South American hooker, or why Kim Kardashian skipped her Starbucks coffee.

      There are over 7 billion people on this planet and if none of them hear about LENR then how can we expect them to know of it.

      I have written many letters to media, and hundreds of Hybrid Car Scientists. This is at least semi-pro active.

      Instead of constantly complaining about science which is responsible for all your luxuries including your bed, computer, virtual girlfriend, toothbrush, and television. Why not actually try to make a change.

      • georgehants

        friendlyprogrammer, I would suggest you and your colleagues write to your corrupt and incompetent science journals and administrators demanding to know when an Honest report on the Research into Cold Fusion will be published.
        If you act like a scientist you may realise that comparing one failure to one success to try and hide the failures of science in many areas is illogical in the extreme.

        • friendlyprogrammer

          One person whom I email and keep in touch with regularly on PSI topics is EXTREMELY active in this regard. Look at his website. He is one of the the ONLY mention of LENR in Nature Magazine currently. His name is Brian Josephson and he is a Nobel Laureate.

          http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/psi/doubtsregood.html

          Most of his criticism is to do with Natures prejudice against paranormal topics. My notion years ago is that our past can be altered in a Wigner’s friend scenario it is my belief that EXPECTATION influnces whether Schrodinger’s Cat will be alive or dead. I do not know if that makes sense to you or not.

          http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v490/n7418/full/490037c.html

          I have made a lot of mails regarding LENR including 2 emails to the station mentioned in this article.

          I try.

          What is it you do?

          • georgehants

            friendly, I would not normally but for you I will —
            I also have spoken at times to Brian Josephson and have had him briefly respond on these Websites, under duress as he knows as well as I that the thinking ability of most is not worth the effort.
            My knowledge of the fundamentals of all science and especially the Quantum almost certainly exceeds by a large margin the knowledge of 99% of scientists tied to their own miniscule areas of expertise.
            I am also an expert on all areas of the Paranormal.
            And I do not mean running off to Wiki-rubbish and coming back making out that they are now “experts” on for example the Placebo Effect.
            I asked if you send e-mails to the people responsible for the horrific disregard for the important science of Cold Fusion, the Paranormal, the Placebo Effect etc. not dumb radio stations that just follow the ridiculous output of main-line science, as in this case.
            It is the responsibility of scientists to put their own house in order not for me to write to your dumb corrupt journals.
            I agree with your accepting the possibilities of the mind altering reality, as shown clearly by Quantum Research.

    • John DiTuro

      I presented at an Energy and Aerospace Conference in Colorado in 1998. Before my presentation I sat in the audience. I overheard a conversation between several scientists from MIT, Brown, The Fermi Lab and Office of Naval Research and discussing their progress in CF. All of them were able to replicate Pons and Fleischman’s original experiment despite was being presented in the Media. The key as was discussed was the purity of the palladium electrode. Any impurities would retard the reaction. That conversation has been forever been etched in my mind and represents where we actually are in 2014 sixteen years later. With the US ONR purchasing two of Rossi’s E-Cats I would say that this serious, no matter how many Media Trolls the Energy firms employ to try to spin public sentiment. I would suggest their efforts would be better spent on getting on board before the train leaves the station.

      • georgehants

        John, obviously the scientists you overheard discussing their successful replications would have immediately written-up papers on their work.
        Are you telling me that no “premier” scientific journal found a new form of Energy interesting enough to publish their results and notify the World to encourage all of science to Research the subject of Cold Fusion.
        Seems pretty incompetent or even corrupt to me.

        • John DiTuro

          Hello George, both you and I know why that did not happen. There has been a tight lid on this for a long time. Gene’s death at MIT slowed public disclosure a but the research has continued in the background. As for corruption, I agree. Scientists are at the mercy of corporate interests under the guise of national security. The funding was meager, a drop in the bucket compared with the billions spent on hot fusion, not to mention the trillions spent on coal oil and gas development.

          • georgehants

            Respect. we can only hope for better things.

        • stefan

          >”Seems pretty incompetent or even corrupt to me.”

          Well, life is not only science; in fact, science is ~1% in the life of professional “scientist” the remaining is a social business as usual; there are few lucky one who has managed to dedicate 10% of their life to science and at the end (or after) they may find the recognition… so,
          it is not a corruption it is collaboration…

      • Foks0904 .

        Pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing. But of course, because it’s anecdotal, it never happened. J/K.

    • clovis ray

      I totally agree George, if we don’t hold them accountable we will always have to watch our back, for the occasional, knife . but let’s hold off until we get things going our way first, and then bring the hammer down, when they least expect it.i believe MIT knew about the coverup, and preptisapited in it. a huge fine should be levied, and give as scholarships to other universities and also small labs, working on green tech, ideas, like leap forward, and our own alan smith, how appropriate would that be lol.
      .

      • georgehants

        Clovis, nice to meet an Honest concerned scientist, rare as hens teeth, do you think it would be appropriate to have a Topic page giving the named scientists who have incompetently abused and debunked Cold Fusion from it’s beginning to now.
        As always my admiration and love go out to those few True scientists who work on in many areas, looking for the Truth against the horrendous pressure exerted on them to “conform” by their sad colleagues and holy administration.

        • clovis ray

          george, i do, think this would be appropriate, at some time ahead, but we need to have a firm footing, to begin this task, it should be Thoroughly researched, with facts, documents,fraudulent graphs, charts, as well as names, and organizations, oral and written statements, and the like.
          but as i said before we will have to wait until we can see what will happen with the 3rd party report when it is made available and how well it is excepted,

          • georgehants

            clovis understand your point and you are probably right, would just say that even if Cold Fusion turned out to be nothing, the way it and people have been treated by other scientists and the establishment remains intolerable.
            Best

          • bachcole

            I see absolutely no idea for wait. But I would not limit it to people we know to be scientists. Maryyugo and everyone else who has latched onto the negative and ignored the positive should be listed with all of their aliases.

          • clovis ray

            agreed, justice delayed, but we must not forget the most important thing, that being the distribution of this vital machine, to our world.

  • Omega Z

    Should the Hot Cat report be positive
    And should Rossi be presented a Nobel Prize
    Would it not be fitting that- Stephan Pomp, Göran Ericsson, Steven Krivits, Etc, Etc,,,
    Be Required to make the presentation.

    Well, Maybe not, But, I was just thinking there are Quite a Few in this World that could be taught a little Humility.

    Just so as not to let any of these people off the hook, This could apply for whoever is 1st. Rossi or whoever…

    • friendlyprogrammer

      I do not share your enthusiasm for the report. We thought the same of last report. Everybody knows that experiments contrary to Mainstream scientific views must be wrong or fraudulent. Even CF pioneers may cast doubt on any success because they themselves are close to breakthroughs.

      It will be a fun and active week for us to read, and we might convince another set of professors, but …. I am not sure anybody except us here will be convinced.

  • georgehants

    Roger, just another scientist who does great work and is laughed at and abused by the rest of science.

  • georgehants

    Barbierir, I think you taking notice of the report and not the Website reporting would be wise.

    • Barbierir

      There is no report, only a made up satirical piece. I hope you’re joking 🙂

      • georgehants

        It would be very difficult to ever decide the fairy stories of science given as facts and consensus and laws etc. from those of a drunk novelist.

        • GreenWin

          Ah, George, I can see you’re in fine fiddle today. The best is yet to come, so have a pleasant evening friend.

          • georgehants

            Ha GreenWin, first time I think I have caught you out, the old English saying is “in fine fettle.” (I think.)
            Thanks though, I know what you mean, We wait for “the best”.

  • Mats Hilmersson

    According to Hannu Essen in the latest radio show, the test to be presented within a few weeks, has not been conducted in Sweden.

    • Gerard McEk

      Those non-scientists discussing Rossi’s background without taking notice of the overwhelming evidence of CF by many real scientists and the media supporting that approach should really be pilloried.
      Was the latest radio show more positive Mats?

      • Mats Hilmersson

        No, and nothing newsworthy, as far as I heard, besides the test location.

        • Gerard McEk

          Pity, I had hoped they would publish a balanced view.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        I took 5 minutes to get their email address from link and mail them my version of Andrea Rossi life including the Mafia angle, the fact he could have hid in US but faced charges, received a VISA from a US president, was formerly the fastest runner in the world, and a complete page of Pro-Rossi banter you all have heard before.

        I used Google Translate to put it all in Swedish.

        I then emailed them again about irresponsible journalism for using just Krivit’s website as their basis for negativity. It is possible they did not get all bad info from Krivit’s website, but I’d wager they did and will feel ashamed once they acknowledge that to themselves..

        So.. Anybody else want to spend 5 minutes to “pillory” them.

        Send angry defensive emails.

        • Gerard McEk

          Well done friendlyprogrrammer. I am not sure it will work now though. Maybe we should collect all addresses of those apposing CF and pillory their mischief publicly when CF breaks through?

          • bachcole

            I am all for it!!!

      • georgehants

        Gerard McEk, are these “real scientists” you mention the ones who destroyed P&F corrupted the Evidence and have been debunking Cold Fusion ever since.

        • Gerard McEk

          George, you should know me better by now! Again: Real scientists are curious and investigate things that do not seem to comply with the existing theories. They do NOT ban those colleagues who found evidence that fusion of atoms may also take place under milder circumstances, but they would also support more research or investigate themselves to find the truth. Non-scientists dwell in their ivory tower, copy each others theories and support those who sponsor them the most with their reports and ‘breakthroughs’ in their also sponsored scientific papers. Those non-scientists would ban everyone who does oppose their supported theories or if they are asked to by their (financial) supporters.

          • georgehants

            Gerard, I am sorry, but will ask you to understand that when, as I usually am replied to by slow thinking closed-minds one can become a little abrupt.
            Your reply is clearly wise and I must ask what are these good scientists to do to release the Wonder of science.
            To free it from the strangling hold of these people.
            So many Wonders to be found in many areas, so sad to see the pathetic scientific display with Cold Fusion and many other important subjects.
            Best

          • Thomas Kuhn have rationally analysed who are Scientists.

            He found that it is a hard education where the paradigm is printed with red hot iron in their brain. It is required for them to be efficient, and the result is that facing any challenge they will never surrender their paradigm until it is really really impossible to defend.

            http://www.uky.edu/~eushe2/Pajares/Kuhn.html

            the story of cold fusion is simple.

            chemist have proven with calorimetry that a probably nuclear reaction was creating heat above anything chemical. in their paradigm it is sure.

            Physicist were challenged, and since they were incompetent in calorimetry and sure of their limited free-space two-body model of QM, they assumed calorimetry or chemistry was wrong.

            few incompetent not even good scientists printed tabloid books. Physicist were happy to have an escape, and refused even to read the critics (because sure they were competent enough to see it was shameful). they supported the books, the claims.

            Media followed. politicians followed. funding and scientific journals followed, lab boss followed, wikipedia followed…

            all without reading.

            end of the story.

            explained well by Jed

            http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4

          • Gerard McEk

            Alain, I admire your believe in such a simple process, but I am sure there is more behind it. However, did Kuhn or others also give the recipe to revert this process or do you know how to do this? I guess we have to wait for the first CF product on the market.

          • Kuhn explai that it is intrinsically so.

            If Scientist were open mind they won’t do the job in “normal science ” phase.

            the real job is done by other people… and finally, more and more scientits jump in the new paradigm because it works, give advantage, and they build a new paradigm that will became “normal science”

            “Max Planck: A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grow up that is familiar with it.

            But Kuhn argues that Planck’s famous remark overstates the case.

            *Neither proof nor error is at issue.

            *The transfer of allegiance from paradigm to paradigm is a conversion experience that cannot be forced.

            *Proponents of a paradigm devote their lives and careers to the paradigm.

            *Lifelong resistance is not a violation of scientific standards but an index to the nature of scientific research itself.

            *The source of the resistance is the assurance that

            **the older paradigm will ultimately solve all its problems.

            **nature can be shoved into the box the paradigm provides.

            *Actually, that same assurance is what makes normal science possible.

            *Some scientists, particularly the older and more experienced ones, may resist indefinitely, but most can be reached in one way or another.”

    • Timar

      What show are you refering to? Please provide a link. The show* that has been linked here only talks of “unpublished negative test results” without giving any details or asking any of the scientists involved including Essen. It probably refers to the failed 2012 test reported by Mats Lewan in his book where the reactor became unglued but (intentionally?) misleads the listener to believe it is refering to the yet unpublished long-term test.

      *http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=406&artikel=5874610

  • Gerard McEk

    Those non-scientists discussing Rossi’s background without taking notice of the overwhelming evidence of CF by many real scientists and the media supporting that approach should really be pilloried.
    Was the latest radio show more positive Mats?

    • georgehants

      Gerard McEk, are these “real scientists” you mention the ones who destroyed P&F corrupted the Evidence and have been debunking Cold Fusion ever since.

      • Gerard McEk

        George, you should know me better by now! Again: Real scientists are curious and investigate things that do not seem to comply with the existing theories. They do NOT ban those colleagues who found evidence that fusion of atoms may also take place under milder circumstances, but they would also support more research or investigate themselves to find the truth. Non-scientists dwell in their ivory tower, copy each others theories and support those who sponsor them the most with their reports and ‘breakthroughs’ in their also sponsored scientific papers. Those non-scientists would ban everyone who does oppose their supported theories or if they are asked to by their (financial) supporters.

        • georgehants

          Gerard, I am sorry, but will ask you to understand that when, as I usually am replied to by slow thinking closed-minds one can become a little abrupt.
          Your reply is clearly wise and I must ask what are these good scientists to do to release the Wonder of science.
          To free it from the strangling hold of these people.
          So many Wonders to be found in many areas, so sad to see the pathetic scientific display with Cold Fusion and many other important subjects.
          Best

        • Thomas Kuhn have rationally analysed who are Scientists.

          He found that it is a hard education where the paradigm is printed with red hot iron in their brain. It is required for them to be efficient, and the result is that facing any challenge they will never surrender their paradigm until it is really really impossible to defend.

          http://www.uky.edu/~eushe2/Pajares/Kuhn.html

          the story of cold fusion is simple.

          chemist have proven with calorimetry that a probably nuclear reaction was creating heat above anything chemical. in their paradigm it is sure.

          Physicist were challenged, and since they were incompetent in calorimetry and sure of their limited free-space two-body model of QM, they assumed calorimetry or chemistry was wrong.

          few incompetent not even good scientists printed tabloid books. Physicist were happy to have an escape, and refused even to read the critics (because sure they were competent enough to see it was shameful). they supported the books, the claims.

          Media followed. politicians followed. funding and scientific journals followed, lab boss followed, wikipedia followed…

          all without reading.

          end of the story.

          explained well by Jed

          http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4

          • Gerard McEk

            Alain, I admire your believe in such a simple process, but I am sure there is more behind it. However, did Kuhn or others also give the recipe to revert this process or do you know how to do this? I guess we have to wait for the first CF product on the market.

          • Kuhn explai that it is intrinsically so.

            If Scientist were open mind they won’t do the job in “normal science ” phase.

            the real job is done by other people… and finally, more and more scientits jump in the new paradigm because it works, give advantage, and they build a new paradigm that will became “normal science”

            “Max Planck: A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grow up that is familiar with it.

            But Kuhn argues that Planck’s famous remark overstates the case.

            *Neither proof nor error is at issue.

            *The transfer of allegiance from paradigm to paradigm is a conversion experience that cannot be forced.

            *Proponents of a paradigm devote their lives and careers to the paradigm.

            *Lifelong resistance is not a violation of scientific standards but an index to the nature of scientific research itself.

            *The source of the resistance is the assurance that

            **the older paradigm will ultimately solve all its problems.

            **nature can be shoved into the box the paradigm provides.

            *Actually, that same assurance is what makes normal science possible.

            *Some scientists, particularly the older and more experienced ones, may resist indefinitely, but most can be reached in one way or another.”

  • MMK

    http://e-cataustralia.com/links

    gear up for expansion

  • catman

    The person responsible for the content of this attack is the producer, Ulrika Björksten.
    +46 1817 41 42 ulrika.bjorksten@sverigesradio.se

    She told me she followed CF since 1989 , is a physicist and therefore SURE that CF is impossible.

    Good luck !

    PS :Watch out for next issue of Ny Teknik http://www.nyteknik.se/( wednesday next week).Mats will reply and It will be some nice reading I am sure…

    • Yo Hobie

      I am so looking forward to Mats’s reply. This was not only an indictment on Rossi but on Mats too.

  • A Swede

    Strong grounds for legal complaints against Vetenskapsradion (SR)

    The funny thing is that the broadcasting permit of the Swedish Public Service Radio (SR) states that the programming (among other things) requires to be objective and impartial. If SR lacks in these or some other requirements it is possible to file a complaint with the Swedish Broadcasting authority. I quess that there will be strong grounds for legal complaints against Vetenskapsradion (SR). Here are some excerpts from the broadcasting rules. The rules are taken from both the Radio and
    Television Act and the broadcasting license pertaining to Vetenskapsradion (SR).

    Impartiality

    Programming activities shall be conducted impartially, which means that:

    – a clearly designated party subjected to criticism shall have the opportunity to respond to the criticism

    – controversial topics or events may not be treated with bias

    – a representative from the broadcasting company may not take a stance on a controversial issue.

    The requirement of impartiality does not preclude features having a critical basis or a specific angle. The public service companies are obliged to comment on different events, stimulate debate and investigate companies, organisations and public authorities. With public service companies, the obligation to comment implies a certain space for evaluative reviews.

    Criticism of a clearly identifiable party

    If a clearly identifiable party is subjected to strong criticism or serious accusations, as a rule, they should be given the opportunity to defend themselves in the same programme. This can be achieved through the designated party participating in the programme by way of a statement. Refusal to participate does not preclude the programme being aired. In such cases, the designated party’s opinion should be presented in another way, where possible.

    Biased treatment of a topic or an event

    Controversial topics or events may not be treated with bias in such a way that only one party’s version of events or views clearly dominate. It is, however, permissible to depict a topic from a particular point of view, provided that this is made clear in the programme or the programme’s presentation. A biased account in one programme may be balanced by another programme.

    Taking a stance on a controversial issue

    Presenters, reporters and others who may be perceived as representatives of the broadcasting company must not make evaluative statements or take a stance on controversial issues. In features,
    informal debates and reviews, there is a space for critical and evaluative reviews, provided the feature’s character can be considered evident to the audience.

    Objectivity

    Information of significance must be accurate. Features may not be misleading, for example, through the omission of essential information. If the broadcasting company has conducted reasonable checks prior to transmission, but the information later proves to be incorrect, then the feature will not be considered to be in breach of the requirement of objectivity. An inaccurate piece of information should always be corrected where warranted.

    .. Read more in English here:

    http://www.radioochtv.se/en/

  • Paul Smith

    From JoNP a message from Rossi:

    Andrea Rossi
    May 28th, 2014 at 9:18 AM
    To our wonderful Readers:
    Congratulations and thank you for your intelligence. Useless to say to what I refer. You reaction gives evidence of the difference between intelligent people and clowns.
    God bless you all,
    Andrea Rossi

  • Freethinker
    • Alain Samoun

      Thanks Freethinker,this gives us an idea of how the show has been made,ominous music,selective cuts of interviews,ridiculing opponents etc… Goebbels could not have done better…

      • Foks0904 .

        You’re right. Even if, down the road, Rossi was demonstrated to be wrong, it wouldn’t erase the fact that this is highly manufactured propaganda. Cold fusion does not live or die with Rossi. Pseudo-skeptics love to conflate the two.

    • thanks.
      I notice many point. I see how the debunker are concentrating on theory first, and measurement later. we all know that the copper theory is broken and abandonned…
      as for F&P the physicist don’t look at results, but first ath thery, then at failures…
      they use the opposite of scientific method…

      in scientific method, you detect few anomalies, in a crowd of non anomalies, you replicate, sustain peer-review that challenge your method, not your results, nor the theory. and then only after you propose a theory based on that observations, and only then an anomaly will kill your theory.
      Popper criteria apply to theory, not to evidences.
      One evidence is an evidence if confirmed… failures means nothing.

      the bias of the interview is fascinating, cutting and laughing at Mats…
      abusing of fallacies…

      keep the name of the journalist to ruin his career after.
      Our mission as citizen when the reality will be public, will be to ruin the life of the deniers so the next generation of scientists and journalist are not accomplice with those crime against science.
      I propose a People Tribunal, like for crimes against humanity…

      Forgiving is complicity with the next generation of scientific tragedy.

      Nothing personal, I know they imagined they won’t be punished, they obeyed the consensus. I want the next generation to be aware that the bill will be paid.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        „Popper criteria apply to theory, not to evidences.“

        Sorry, I disagree. Measurements or their interpretations can be wrong, for various reasons. Even so-called “facts” are preliminary and questionable.

        • I agree that you need some replication.

          However to answer to replicated positive results, a critic must provide a positive evidence of an artifact.

          The fallacies of people like Pomp is that they interpret failures to replicate as meaningful.

          If they have, like what says Luca Gamberale, replicated the result of a previous experiment with a trick, it is meaningful and cancel the positive claims. They propose a theory that they confirm… now opponents have to prove an anomaly in their artifact-based theory…

          however a failure is a failure, point…
          A crashed plane does not cancel flying evidences.

          Popper criteria is that when you propose a theory, one single (replicated as you say) experiment that positively don’t respect the theory (not a failure, but a successful counter-example) is enough to rule out the theory.

          Kuhn in fact judge that criteria as impossible to fulfill as no theory is perfect… many people judge that Popper was an idealist far from reality, trying in haste to build a defense against some opponents arguments… his theory is beautiful, but false. but that is another question.
          the fact is that even one replicated cold fusion experiment that cannot be explained by current theory, positively (not with “an unknown artifact”) if what Popper call as a refutation.

          a failure of replicating cold fusion is what he call a confirmation, this mean something that can be cancelled by one/2 refutation, one/2 anomaly.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Popper’s assumption that theories can be falsified by an “experimentum crucis” is somewhat simplifying. It may be feasible in many cases, if you make use of your common sense. But from a logical point of view, this method is not as safe as many people believe. The critical experiment might have been carried out incorrectly, or wrongly interpreted due to erroneous background assumptions. These problems have been widely discussed by Duhem (even before Popper), Quine, Feyerabend, and others. The reflexive rejection of F&P’s results after 1989 is not least of all an example for the lack of a deeper understanding of the philosophy of science.

          • GreenWin

            Just wonderful commentary gentlemen. Thank you!

          • bitplayer

            Fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear…

            I wanted to make the sure that the main motivation for the radio program was mentioned more than once (Greenwin) in these posts.

          • bitplayer

            Desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate…

            Thought it needed some “desperates”, too.

            1350–1400; Middle English < Latin dēspērātus, past participle of dēspērāre to despair;

          • Elforsk answers to the attack.
            http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/372-ELFORSK-answers-to-Sveriges-Radio-attack-against-their-work-on-LENR-and-E-cat/

            they are not definitively sure of E-cat, but they say their mission is to investigate and prepare their industry.

          • psi2u2

            Most excellent. Thanks for the update, AlainCo.

          • I agree with the position you relay . popper position is idealist, irrealist.

            All is always questionable, BUT ther should be preference to the simplest explanation, from facts and replication, from the availeble critics.

            for cold fusion, you have solid calorimetric evidence, many reason to doubt on free-space two body QM inside a lattice, absence of any credible critic, and absence of any experiment that prove the artifact claimed…

            It is absolutely not stupid, like one historian could study the hypothesis of Alien landing in Egypt or Apollo hoax, to study improbable theories.
            However one should not treat it as truth, preventing critics to publish in peer-reviewed journal, writing his lies in Wikipedia, insulting people , assassinating characters, demoting supporters of the most probable theory, frightening investors…

            this is however what happened… the handful of people without any evidence, without any successful experiments, refuted without any exit, have been considered as THE OFFICIAL TRUTH, and more than being the mainstream truth, they prevented alternative theories to be presented to the public (thanks to internet not totally), and funded.

          • orsobubu

            Ok, andreas, in my commentsa I didn’t see you already cited Feyerabend. I added Geymonat to the list.

        • I will make it simpler:

          imagine that all swan are white, as far as zoologist know.

          I find a black swan in my lake. This is an anomaly.

          someone else find a blackswan in his lake. replication.
          He is not zoologist but photograph… evidence is more solid as he is specialist in color. Zoologist disagree as they control animal science…academic war.

          many zoologist find white swan. this is failure to replicate.

          Many zoologist who found blackswan also found many white swan… this is hard to replicate experiments.

          now how to disprove my blackswan ?

          whiteswan are not evidence. even 99% of whiteswan are meaning nothing. hiding whiteswan found is not a crime, even if the ratio is new data.

          A third party look at it and confirm it is black… blackbox confirmation by 3rd party.

          now how can a zoologist challenge the blackswan evidence.
          He can claim that it is fraud… or artifact.
          but he have to give a coherent theory.
          If his theory is credible, it open an open situation.

          of that it is a white swan which have eaten too much chocolate?

          One can say that the chocolate theory is absurd because chocolate don’t go in feather. His theory is refuted according to know data.
          He can then make an experiment and prove that swan get black when eating chocolate.
          If he does not he is refuted.

          note that for cold fusion we are in that case… Lewis, hansen, Morrison, Wilson proposed 4 theories, and they were all refuted

          He can say I tainted the swan in black.
          It can open a doubt, but he must be clear that he just open q question, or it is libelling (except if he have evidence, for all blackswan)…
          I have to answer with experiment done on the feather, with microscope.

          If I bring evidence it is not tainted, his theory is refuted.

          a fraud claim is a theory in the Popper sense, it must be verified, and any evidence that theory is false in one case if refutation of the general fraud hypothesis.

          if 999 people painted a swan in black, and one swan is not painted, the the blacks swan anomaly is validated…
          thus the whiteswan theory is refuted as explanation of the (1) anomaly.

          if the last swan is not verified, I agree we can doubt it is not tainted, but if it is verified as black… whatever are the others, it is an evidence…

          the problem is that cold fusion skeptics manipulated ignorant people, like 99% of media, politicians, populations, and 95% of scientists who in fact never respect Popper argument but think like normal people, with soft evidences, conspiracy theories, prejudices, huge ego, hate…

          note also that an anomaly positivey cancel current theory, but there is no reason that blackswan propose a new theory of zoology…
          There is blackswan, so what ?

          this situation is the real problem of cold fusion, we don’t accept lack of theory. thus we reject anomalies, as Kuhn explain well.

          • GreenWin

            Thank you Alainco. As usual you bring a fresh perspective to the discussion. Indeed, we have a black swan in our pond – and the orthodox church wants it deported!

    • Freethinker

      Thanks Timar, “dussin” is dozen in english. classic mind meltdown happened. I have changed it now 🙂

  • Freethinker

    Todays Show from Swedish Public Service Radio channel P1:

    http://t.sr.se/1kLfiUj

    Translation/transcription

    http://bit.ly/1tnuK9T

    Done on the fly as the previous, so it is what it is, but should be accurate enough.

    • Alain Samoun

      Thanks Freethinker,this gives us an idea of how the show has been made,ominous music,selective cuts of interviews,ridiculing opponents etc… Goebbels could not have done better…

      • Foks0904 .

        You’re right. Even if, down the road, Rossi was demonstrated to be wrong, it wouldn’t erase the fact that this is highly manufactured propaganda. Cold fusion does not live or die with Rossi. Pseudo-skeptics love to conflate the two.

    • thanks.
      I notice many point. I see how the debunker are concentrating on theory first, and measurement later. we all know that the copper theory is broken and abandonned…
      as for F&P the physicist don’t look at results, but first ath thery, then at failures…
      they use the opposite of scientific method…

      in scientific method, you detect few anomalies, in a crowd of non anomalies, you replicate, sustain peer-review that challenge your method, not your results, nor the theory. and then only after you propose a theory based on that observations, and only then an anomaly will kill your theory.
      Popper criteria apply to theory, not to evidences.
      One evidence is an evidence if confirmed… failures means nothing.

      the bias of the interview is fascinating, cutting and laughing at Mats…
      abusing of fallacies…

      keep the name of the journalist to ruin his career after.
      Our mission as citizen when the reality will be public, will be to ruin the life of the deniers so the next generation of scientists and journalist are not accomplice with those crime against science.
      I propose a People Tribunal, like for crimes against humanity…

      Forgiving is complicity with the next generation of scientific tragedy.

      Nothing personal, I know they imagined they won’t be punished, they obeyed the consensus. I want the next generation to be aware that the bill will be paid.

      • stefan

        >”keep the name of the journalist to ruin his career after.”

        such fellow are cockroaches you can not ruin cockroach career; it is exactly the way they live upon…

      • Andreas Moraitis

        „Popper criteria apply to theory, not to evidences.“

        Sorry, I disagree. Measurements or their interpretations can be wrong, for various reasons. Even so-called “facts” are preliminary and questionable.

        • I agree that you need some replication.

          However to answer to replicated positive results, a critic must provide a positive evidence of an artifact.

          The fallacies of people like Pomp is that they interpret failures to replicate as meaningful.

          If they have, like what says Luca Gamberale, replicated the result of a previous experiment with a trick, it is meaningful and cancel the positive claims. They propose a theory that they confirm… now opponents have to prove an anomaly in their artifact-based theory…

          however a failure is a failure, point…
          A crashed plane does not cancel flying evidences.

          Popper criteria is that when you propose a theory, one single (replicated as you say) experiment that positively don’t respect the theory (not a failure, but a successful counter-example) is enough to rule out the theory.

          Kuhn in fact judge that criteria as impossible to fulfill as no theory is perfect… many people judge that Popper was an idealist far from reality, trying in haste to build a defense against some opponents arguments… his theory is beautiful, but false. but that is another question.
          the fact is that even one replicated cold fusion experiment that cannot be explained by current theory, positively (not with “an unknown artifact”) if what Popper call as a refutation.

          a failure of replicating cold fusion is what he call a confirmation, this mean something that can be cancelled by one/2 refutation, one/2 anomaly.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Popper’s assumption that theories can be falsified by an “experimentum crucis” is somewhat simplifying. It may be feasible in many cases, if you make use of your common sense. But from a logical point of view, this method is not as safe as many people believe. The critical experiment might have been carried out incorrectly, or wrongly interpreted due to erroneous background assumptions. These problems have been widely discussed by Duhem (even before Popper), Quine, Feyerabend, and others. The reflexive rejection of F&P’s results after 1989 is not least of all an example for the lack of a deeper understanding of the philosophy of science.

          • GreenWin

            Just wonderful commentary gentlemen. Thank you!

          • I agree with the position you relay . popper position is idealist, irrealist.

            All is always questionable, BUT ther should be preference to the simplest explanation, from facts and replication, from the availeble critics.

            for cold fusion, you have solid calorimetric evidence, many reason to doubt on free-space two body QM inside a lattice, absence of any credible critic, and absence of any experiment that prove the artifact claimed…

            It is absolutely not stupid, like one historian could study the hypothesis of Alien landing in Egypt or Apollo hoax, to study improbable theories.
            However one should not treat it as truth, preventing critics to publish in peer-reviewed journal, writing his lies in Wikipedia, insulting people , assassinating characters, demoting supporters of the most probable theory, frightening investors…

            this is however what happened… the handful of people without any evidence, without any successful experiments, refuted without any exit, have been considered as THE OFFICIAL TRUTH, and more than being the mainstream truth, they prevented alternative theories to be presented to the public (thanks to internet not totally), and funded.

          • orsobubu

            Ok, andreas, in my commentsa I didn’t see you already cited Feyerabend. I added Geymonat to the list.

          • orsobubu

            Thankyou AlainCo, I like what you’re saying. Also, Popper was driven by McCartysthic climate of his times, when fighting Marx’ dialectical materialism, the soviet scientific doctrine, was of paramount importance. Obviuosly, soviet ideology was well different from real Marx’ materialism, and really Stalin killed all the bolscheviks.

        • I will make it simpler:

          imagine that all swan are white, as far as zoologist know.

          I find a black swan in my lake. This is an anomaly.

          someone else find a blackswan in his lake. replication.
          He is not zoologist but photograph… evidence is more solid as he is specialist in color. Zoologist disagree as they control animal science…academic war.

          many zoologist find white swan. this is failure to replicate.

          Many zoologist who found blackswan also found many white swan… this is hard to replicate experiments.

          now how to disprove my blackswan ?

          whiteswan are not evidence. even 99% of whiteswan are meaning nothing. hiding whiteswan found is not a crime, even if the ratio is new data.

          A third party look at it and confirm it is black… blackbox confirmation by 3rd party.

          now how can a zoologist challenge the blackswan evidence.
          He can claim that it is fraud… or artifact.
          but he have to give a coherent theory.
          If his theory is credible, it open an open situation.

          of that it is a white swan which have eaten too much chocolate?

          One can say that the chocolate theory is absurd because chocolate don’t go in feather. His theory is refuted according to know data.
          He can then make an experiment and prove that swan get black when eating chocolate.
          If he does not he is refuted.

          note that for cold fusion we are in that case… Lewis, hansen, Morrison, Wilson proposed 4 theories, and they were all refuted

          He can say I tainted the swan in black.
          It can open a doubt, but he must be clear that he just open q question, or it is libelling (except if he have evidence, for all blackswan)…
          I have to answer with experiment done on the feather, with microscope.

          If I bring evidence it is not tainted, his theory is refuted.

          a fraud claim is a theory in the Popper sense, it must be verified, and any evidence that theory is false in one case if refutation of the general fraud hypothesis.

          if 999 people painted a swan in black, and one swan is not painted, the the blacks swan anomaly is validated…
          thus the whiteswan theory is refuted as explanation of the (1) anomaly.

          if the last swan is not verified, I agree we can doubt it is not tainted, but if it is verified as black… whatever are the others, it is an evidence…

          the problem is that cold fusion skeptics manipulated ignorant people, like 99% of media, politicians, populations, and 95% of scientists who in fact never respect Popper argument but think like normal people, with soft evidences, conspiracy theories, prejudices, huge ego, hate…

          note also that an anomaly positivey cancel current theory, but there is no reason that blackswan propose a new theory of zoology…
          There is blackswan, so what ?

          this situation is the real problem of cold fusion, we don’t accept lack of theory. thus we reject anomalies, as Kuhn explain well.

          • GreenWin

            Thank you Alainco. As usual you bring a fresh perspective to the discussion. Indeed, we have a black swan in our pond – and the orthodox church wants it deported!

          • orsobubu

            Popper does not apply to theories, either. Popper himself is a fraud. Feyerabend and Geymonat destroyed popperism decades ago. Also remember that Feyerabend was also a supporter of some of Lenin’ epistemological concepts, explained i.e. in “Materialism and Empiriocriticism” against machism and idealism in general.

    • Timar

      Thank you for the transcript!

      Btw. the English translation of “dussin” is dozen 😉

    • Freethinker

      Thanks Timar, “dussin” is dozen in english. classic mind meltdown happened. I have changed it now 🙂

    • Lu

      Very interesting. Thanks. Deserves it’s own post and analysis I would think.

      I looked up Sven Kullander since the name rang a bell and it looks like an E-Cat reader Hampus Erricsson actually interviewed him sometime around November 23, 2011. The interview is here: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/11/07/sven-kullander-on-the-e-cat/ . Note however that the supposed isotopic analysis by Professor Kullander (now deceased) mentioned in the radio transcript did not occur till after this interview, April 2012.

      As I said very interesting and illustrates the shortcomings of any black box testing that are being used to verify the E-Cat.

  • Vio Phile

    Andrea Rossi
    May 28th, 2014 at 9:18 AM
    To our wonderful Readers:
    Congratulations and thank you for your intelligence. Useless to say to what I refer. You reaction gives evidence of the difference between intelligent people and clowns.
    God bless you all,
    Andrea Rossi
    Refers to this radio show I would guess.

  • Vio Phile

    Andrea Rossi
    May 28th, 2014 at 9:18 AM
    To our wonderful Readers:
    Congratulations and thank you for your intelligence. Useless to say to what I refer. You reaction gives evidence of the difference between intelligent people and clowns.
    God bless you all,
    Andrea Rossi
    Refers to this radio show I would guess.

  • Foks0904 .

    The new episode is even better than the first. They are making a huge deal out of the “failed” test when Rossi drove the E-Cat to Sweden. There was no “test”, there was no reaction, of course there was no change in the Ni powder. Duh! Why publish on a test that never happened? The device was broken and they couldn’t accommodate 2-days worth of repair time, so rushing ahead on 1 it broke down. OK. And while the testing with the Hydrofusion investors was clearly a fiasco of sorts, Mats attests the model tested on that day was a new model, possibly prone to malfunction. Yeah Rossi behaved a bit irrationally, and should have just said “Hey come back tomorrow” or in a week, or something, but the man is proud and clearly did not react well to criticism. Most people I know don’t react well to criticism. So what? Knowing what we know now in the face of the ELFORSK tests and vetting by IH, it’s moot. Can’t wait to read their “debunking” of the ELFORSK data and IH.

    • georgehants

      May I ask are there any scientists on these programs debunking Rossi and Cold Fusion or is it just silly little reporters who take there lead from main-line sciences debunking of the subject.

      • Foks0904 .

        It seems to be the reporters equipped with sound-bites and quotes from the usual suspects like Ericson & Pomp, etc. It’s funny they are trying to paint Mats & company as gullible, when in reality throughout the entirety of this saga they have stated explicitly “Make up your own mind, it is not black & white, we could be wrong on this one, but it should be looked at as close as possible before being written off.” But no, that’s not good enough for the new inquisition, the heretics must be painted as gullible fools who are enabling the downfall of western civilization. It’s hilarious & sad at the same time.

      • stefan

        I just listened to the third part of the radio show, Really really bad journalism. They are clearly cutting the tape to make their way of the story. For example when they asked Lewan what it will take to dismiss Andrea Rossi, he told basically the reporter that if they found measurment errors in the tests, he would change his mind about Rossis apparatus. Then they asked him of he would dissmiss cold fusion, then he said no, but … then his talk was cut away. What he stated after the cut was that there was other cold fusion ideas, companies and results. But the journalist wanted to show that Mats is a bad believer. It’s really that awful, they do tricks all the time to black paint people all around. Another bad part was their judgement of the Levi report. They let Pomp or was it Ericsson to state that it was a crap scientific paper, claiming bad references such as web sites and that it contained anecdotal information. No mentioning any thing that is good about the paper, basically paint that anyone believing in anything in that paper is a ignorant fool. I’ve so embarrassed by this shit.

        • Freethinker

          Deep sigh … I agree with your observations. It is an amazing piece of crap. But, wait! If I say that I am a Believer. I am a sect member!

          • stefan

            Yes, if we decide to wait for clear evidences and not accept weak ones for judging someone you are a sect member!!! Do they want the witch hunt back to the society. They truly are a piece of dirty minded people. Oh they end up asking anyone (intended point at anybody not rejecting Rossi) not believing in the environment cathastroph of Rossis old endavour. Well no one thinks that it wasn’t a huge problem, Rossi tell the story that he used to take care of the dump for much less money than the state was claiming, someones is probably making 100’s of millions and blaiming Rossi, that is as well is awfull.

          • GreenWin

            Gentlemen, you empower the negative simply by dwelling upon it here. With deep respect to your great artist Ingmar Bergman, look beyond this cloud – perhaps to the STV segment that suggested Rossi, LENR and abundance is believable. Just a thought. 🙂

          • stefan

            🙂
            I think that it important to show a bit of the tricks they are using and some problematic issues by putting the wrong man in the jail. My bet is that the anger that is behind this show stems from an anger of the pollution scandal and is a kind of a really bad summary street court.

          • GreenWin

            Of course. Exposing dirty tricks as we did with “Tricky” Dick Nixon in the USA is important. But focus on extraordinary uplift to humanity is better!

          • Freethinker

            I hear you, and I do agree. But if their image of reality is communicated without some fight, it may make any uplift discussion moot or at least such info difficult to push out. Nobody will listen. But at the end there will be products and that will eventually settle all arguments.

          • Freethinker

            Not to worry, the dwelling is not deeply rooted. But I am a bit annoyed. 😉

  • Foks0904 .

    The new episode is even better than the first. They are making a huge deal out of the “failed” test when Rossi drove the E-Cat to Sweden. There was no “test”, there was no reaction, of course there was no change in the Ni powder. Duh! Why publish on a test that never happened? The device was broken and they couldn’t accommodate 2-days worth of repair time, so rushing ahead on 1 it broke down. OK. And while the testing with the Hydrofusion investors was clearly a fiasco of sorts, Mats attests the model tested on that day was a new model, possibly prone to malfunction. Yeah Rossi behaved a bit irrationally, and should have just said “Hey come back tomorrow” or in a week, or something, but the man is proud and clearly did not react well to criticism. Most people I know don’t react well to criticism. So what? Knowing what we know now in the face of the ELFORSK tests and vetting by IH, it’s moot. Can’t wait to read their “debunking” of the ELFORSK data and IH.

    • georgehants

      May I ask are there any scientists on these programs debunking Rossi and Cold Fusion or is it just reporters who are silly enough to take there lead from main-line sciences debunking of the subject.

      • Foks0904 .

        It seems to be the reporters equipped with sound-bites and quotes from the usual suspects like Ericson & Pomp, etc. It’s funny they are trying to paint Mats & company as gullible, when in reality throughout the entirety of this saga they have stated explicitly “Make up your own mind, it is not black & white, we could be wrong on this one, but it should be looked at as close as possible before being written off.” But no, that’s not good enough for the new inquisition, the heretics must be painted as gullible fools who are enabling the downfall of western civilization. It’s hilarious & sad at the same time.

  • georgehants

    Respect. we can only hope for better things.

  • Freethinker

    Actually I am ashamed.

    I am ashamed that the public service radio in my country is lending itself to this charade.

    The second episode in this sorry excuse for a scientific balanced and object program has been aired, and I did spend some time listening to it closely, as I did a transcript/translation of it.

    The hunt for meaningless details, the innuendos, the game of words, painting things that are really very innocent and straight forward into something that is dark, secretive, fact-hiding, misappropriating, fake without having any real chance of sticking.

    The previous chapter had at least the real consequences of what took place in Italy to show for it. Environmental issues in the wake of the failed PetrolDragon business, but today’s show, when removing all manure, there was exactly null, nil, zilch, nada – or just plain nothing.

    Yes, bad scientist, investigating a claim that may revolutionize the worlds energy sector. Bad physicist!

    No, Marcus Hansson and Ulrika Björkstén, shame on you! Just so you know: You do not promote science in what you do right now.

    The most inane part was the so called philosophical question, no doubt inspired by the equally inane comments from the so called scientific journalist Sylvie Couaud, were Marcus Hansson makes himself look like a complete fool. “if I have a matchbox time machine in my pocket…”.

    Do you people at all check your stories? Do you people do research? I mean REAL research? If you did, you would know, that the LENR field has been ongoing ever since Pons&Fleischmann was cowardly debunked on false accusations and thrown out into the cold.
    And yes, do note, their experiment was reproduced by several renowned scientists, and it is fairly well understood why those who failed, actually failed.

    You really have no clue whatsoever what is going on in the scientific LENR community, do you?

    Essén & Kullander did have some insight into that field, as it were – you might be happy to learn. Also Sergio Focardi, a not completely unknown nuclear physicist – none the less – from Bologna vouched for Rossi, as did others.

    That is why the “swedish scientists” gave Rossi the attention, why they could get the leeway they did – something that is in not way criminal, unethical, or wrong – in any way. To the contrary. And not to be compared in a stupid gedanken experiment with some imaginary time machine and “bizarre” claims.

    I just wonder what drive you people in this work? What is your end game?
    You answer that honestly, if you are even so able.

    • Gerard McEk

      Bravo Freethinker! Did you share this piece with Marcus and Ulrika?

      • Freethinker

        I would if there were any relative open way to comment on their show at their web site. They are not really interested in getting that kind of critique. Sending email to them is utterly pointless. So I post my resentment here instead, where more people can enjoy and appreciate my venom.

        • Freethinker

          Greenwin, I am a bit concerned that a blogger on the most prestigious scientific journal “Forskning&Framsteg” (see AlainCo’s link above, http://fof.se/blogg/nya-kalla-… ) is linking in the radio show, under the title “Nya kalla fakta om kall fusion” or “New cold facts about cold fusion”.

          He does not comment the show in any way, but has this to say:
          “One can view this story from many perspectives. For my part, I feel, that we scientists need to take a moment to think how to seperate objective and subjective within science”. As he has no comment on the show, I think he is in agreement with – at least – then end game, and that he is actually is thinking that Essén & Kullander has been too subjective, and hence gullible. I can be wrong, here but … I fear a more coordinated effort than just a simply a misguide radio series from a couple of misguided journalists. I hope I am wrong.

  • Freethinker

    Actually I am ashamed.

    I am ashamed that the public service radio in my country is lending itself to this charade.

    The second episode in this sorry excuse for a scientific balanced and objective program has been aired, and I did spend some time listening to it closely, as I did a transcript/translation of it.

    The hunt for meaningless details, the innuendos, the game of words, painting things that are really very innocent and straight forward into something that is dark, secretive, fact-hiding, misappropriating, fake without having any real chance of sticking.

    The previous chapter had at least the real consequences of what took place in Italy to show for it. Environmental issues in the wake of the failed PetrolDragon business, but today’s show, when removing all manure, there was exactly null, nil, zilch, nada – or just plain nothing.

    Yes, bad scientist, investigating a claim that may revolutionize the worlds energy sector. Bad physicist!

    No, Marcus Hansson and Ulrika Björkstén, shame on you! Just so you know: You do not promote science in what you do right now.

    The most inane part was the so called philosophical question, no doubt inspired by the equally inane comments from the so called scientific journalist Sylvie Couaud, were Marcus Hansson makes himself look like a complete fool. “if I have a matchbox time machine in my pocket…”.

    Do you people at all check your stories? Do you people do research? I mean REAL research? If you did, you would know, that the LENR field has been ongoing ever since Pons&Fleischmann was cowardly debunked on false accusations and thrown out into the cold.
    And yes, do note, their experiment was reproduced by several renowned scientists, and it is fairly well understood why those who failed, actually failed.

    You really have no clue whatsoever what is going on in the scientific LENR community, do you?

    Essén & Kullander did have some insight into that field, as it were – you might be happy to learn. Also Sergio Focardi, a not completely unknown nuclear physicist – none the less – from Bologna vouched for Rossi, as did others.

    That is why the “swedish scientists” gave Rossi the attention, why they could get the leeway they did – something that is in no way criminal, unethical, or wrong – in any way. To the contrary. And not to be compared in a stupid gedanken experiment with some imaginary time machine and “bizarre” claims.

    I just wonder what drive you people in this work? What is your end game?
    You answer that honestly, if you are even so able.

    • Gerard McEk

      Bravo Freethinker! Did you share this piece with Marcus and Ulrika?

      • Freethinker

        I would if there were any relative open way to comment on their show at their web site. They are not really interested in getting that kind of critique. Sending email to them is utterly pointless. So I post my resentment here instead, where more people can enjoy and appreciate my venom 😉

        • There’s one forum. Marcus has made some comments.

          http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2795&artikel=5872724

        • GreenWin

          For what it’s worth Free, these are trained propagandists not journalists. Propaganda is the last resort of a desperate tribe. While this attack attempts to paint Rossi as LENR’s leader, it refuses to acknowledge thousands of scientists and hundreds of multinational corps that are developing energy solutions. Mitsubishi, Toyota, GE aerospace, NASA, ENEA, SPAWAR, etc etc.

          Swedish public radio has allowed itself to become a mouthpiece for misanthropic propaganda – people who hate human beings. Little different than Nazi attacks on Jewish leaders in the 1930s or FBI’s attempts to destroy Martin Luther King. Ignominious, but in the end — futile.

        • Freethinker

          Greenwin, I am a bit concerned that a blogger on the most prestigious scientific journal “Forskning&Framsteg” (see AlainCo’s link above, http://fof.se/blogg/nya-kalla-… ) is linking in the radio show, under the title “Nya kalla fakta om kall fusion” or “New cold facts about cold fusion”.

          He does not comment the show in any way, but has this to say:
          “One can view this story from many perspectives. For my part, I feel, that we scientists need to take a moment to think how to seperate objective and subjective within science”. As he has no comment on the show, I think he is in agreement with – at least – then end game, and that he is actually is thinking that Essén & Kullander has been too subjective, and hence gullible. I can be wrong, here but … I fear a more coordinated effort than just a simply a misguide radio series from a couple of misguided journalists. I hope I am wrong.

  • Gerard McEk

    Well done friendlyprogrrammer. I am not sure it will work now though. Maybe we should collect all addresses of those apposing CF and pillory their mischief publicly when CF breaks through?

  • Gerard McEk

    Pity, I had hoped they would publish a balanced view.

  • Philosophy Science

    The videos I’ve seen says LENR is real, but Rossi is not legit

    • Foks0904 .

      What videos?

      • Philosophy Science

        Found the link, here you go: http://youtu.be/tlWwpr1DAjU?t=14m50s

        • etburg

          The video is of Steve Krivit! Been a while since I’ve seen mention of him on this forum. He performed a very useful function for some time recording LENR lectures and probably still does. He has a site, newenergytimes.net which he converted to a subscription basis though it looks as though at least some content is still available free. He has had a very public, very vigorous anti Rossi position going back a few years. He has also, at times, adopted some questionable practices – quoting people out of context, etc. which has led to some very public dust ups with Brian Josephson and others. I can only speak for myself but after a few of his moves I quit paying attention to him. Others can comment.

          • Omega Z

            Ahh Krivit, He is a LENR supporter as long as it follows his beloved Widom-Larsen theory. Anything Else invites his Wrath & that includes everyone.
            He’s more harsh with Rossi because of a personal vendetta.

            As to Krivit’s Blog, I’ve found it a rich environment on Rossi’s early days. What you take from it depends on You, the Individual. If you merely read his stories & except his twist on it, You likely have a bad take on Rossi & then Parrot that around the websites.

            However, I used it as a source to look deeper & do my own research into Rossi. The Story is quite different then the 1 that Krivit tries to convey. Petrodragon produced results. How effective depended greatly on the raw source material. But It worked.

            Note this technology continues today & is undergoing continuous improvement. From small jobber outfits to large Corporations are involved. This field of work is part of a much greater field. It’s known as recycling. A recovery of natural resources.

            Rossi’s problems involved messing in someone else’s playground. Known as the Mafia. Anyone who pays any attention to world news should know that the Mafia has been a major problem for Italy for a very long time.

            As to the Military Thermal Electric Convertor(TEC) contract with Rossi, Well, That was actually a contract with LTI(Rossi was a Partner there at 1 time) & also involved contracts with several other entities at the same time. Including a University. Rossi completed his arrangements with the Military on this project. He produced 1 hand built working device. At Issue was could it be mass manufactured to those standards & Economically. Neither depended on Rossi, And the Answer was No and No. It couldn’t be.

            I recently came across an article of Military research on TEC’s. I thought it may have to do with Rossi & read it.

            Same story don’t you know. Can you build an Efficient TEC device & Can you mass produce it to those Standards Economically. It’s still in progress.

            But Surprise, It has nothing to do with Rossi. It is a research Project that takes place over & over every half dozen years with different players. Rossi was just 1 of many.

            That’s what the Military does a lot of. Research. And if 1st they don’t succeed, Try & Try Again. Eventually, Technology will advance enough & it will work. They want to be there when it does.

            This is a Learning process for the Military. Even a Failed project has value. Whats the weak link. It tells them where to put further research funds in order to spur the technology forward.
            The Rossi TEC story is taken out of context to Bash Rossi.
            I don’t care for Krivit, But I have to thank him for his information. It allowed me to find the Truth for the most part.

          • psi2u2

            I agree. At least on the subject of Rossi, Krivit is not a reliable source. He abandoned any pretense to objectivity on that point long ago.

      • GreenWin

        Notice the focus on ad hominem attack? Militant adherence to the Online Covert Activities manual.

    • bachcole

      We have a lot of information and videos that says that Rossi is legit. It is obvious to the most casual thinker that the person who is the biggest threat to the skeptopaths and moneyed interests are going to be the one that they attack.

      They say that Rossi had trouble with the law, but forget to mention that the law in Italy is so lame that it took Amanda Knox 6 years to get exonerated. I saw the Amanda Knox story and learned how pathetic the law is in Italy. The skeptopaths also fail to mention all of Rossi’s good qualities and achievements.

      Everyone has good and bad in their history, and bias usually expressed itself not by inventing good or bad about them, but by focusing on their good or bad.

      I am not biased. Rossi has his bad side. He is difficult to deal with. There; I said it.

  • Buck

    Sadly, there should be no surprise that this sort of event will occur. IMO, there will be other examples of the fossil industry working to protect it’s wealth.

    An excellent example was highlighted just recently in the news. The story below is about the industry looking to derail being held accountable for environmentally harmful practices and breach of contract with respect to specific activities to protect the coastal environment of Louisiana.
    LINK>> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/louisianas-coastline-shrinks-political-fight-responsibility-grows/

    Listening to the industry arguments is like reading a story by Kafka.

    • Karl

      I have listen to two of the three program aired by Swedish Radio (one remain tomorrow). Being somewhat informed of the research in the LENR field, what Swedish Radio is broadcasting is far from any science. It is rather withholding facts, discredit persons and grossly misleading
      uninformed listeners to judge and get their own opinion.

      Swedish Radio is not only broadcasting these three so called scientific programs. They have
      additionally sent an additional program on a same theme in their program series
      called “medierna”. They claim to have an objective watching eye on how media penetrate
      the public.

      In this program (medierna) the same people are continuing their insults on Rossi, digging in his past and how he handled media. They attack the positive view given by a previous program
      by Swedish TV a sister company. The traditional physicists view had no chance
      in this program to explain that Cold Fusion is not working because if it should
      it would be against the law of nature. The message is clear and human being
      have nothing more to learn.

      Most of us following stories of the brave, devoted and intelligent researchers and innovators in the area of Cold Fusion or free energy type of solutions have seen how MSM tailor and
      handle “truth”.

      We have long seen attempts to scare and misscredit those who try to do a proper job analyse what is truth and what is not and bring it and knowledge forward.

      It is somewhat sad that public services join in and as such misuse their clear responsibilities to
      inform a broader public properly and ant scare them off.

      It is probably no coincidence this silly program series come out just before the publication of
      the long-time testing of the E-Cat.

      • It is the same in france, and visibly everywhere in the West.

        This is why the real battle is not to argue with honest misinformed parrots, but to give them a chance to be informed.

        I don’t know if I am right, but I think that the best and many sufficient source is the book excess Heat of Charles Beaudette, which is rational, documented, and covering all sectors of the controversy, from calorimetry, media, epistemology, logic, and finally authorship.

        the article of Jed Rothwell which compare Titanic myths fed by media with cold fusion myths is a good apetizer for Beaudette heavy book.

        I think that no theory deserve to be discussed, but i like the approach of Ed Storms who remind us the basics…

        What else ? the book of Mats tell us the story of Rossi…
        After you have many scientific papers, article from Jed, some business evidence like Elforsk Perpektiv, like the chinese announce about Cherokee… the article of ENEA/SRI/NRL about their joint work to understand cold fusion.
        the list of peer review papers from Jed tally, from Spawar authorship, the articles in JJAP of Iwamura and Toyota…
        But is it worth, once you have read Beaudette…

        I finally add the article of Roland Benabou on Grouthink, of Kuhn on scientific revolution, and some know case of pathetic failure of consensus like Wright brothers, Schetman, Semmelweis, HTSC, semiconductors, X-Rays,Laser, quasi-scientists…
        does it deserve to be reminded… normally any scientist should know that, and just is actively protecting his brain from those know facts.

        I don’t know if it is useful. sure not for physicist or active skeptics who are locked in groupthink and will never dare to read anything (they don’t even moan when my links are dead)…
        maybe lurkers…

        Today university of tsinghua probably know all people who downloaded the book of Charles Beaudette…. they could say us if there is many?

  • Buck

    Sadly, there should be no surprise that this sort of event has occurred. IMO, there will be other examples of the fossil industry working to protect it’s wealth.

    An excellent example was highlighted just recently in the news. The story below is about the industry looking to derail being held accountable for environmentally harmful practices and breach of contract with respect to specific activities to protect the coastal environment of Louisiana.
    LINK>> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/louisianas-coastline-shrinks-political-fight-responsibility-grows/

    Listening to the industry arguments is like reading a story by Kafka.

  • Alain Samoun

    A serious study by the Wyoming Institute of Technology shows that solar panels may be the end of our civilization. PVs not only capture the sun’s energy but if we continue to install them on our roofs, they will suck so much energy from the sun that it may disappear from our sky within a few hundred years. Beside the same study shows that without burning fossil fuels earth temperature will go down an average 30 degrees! And no! I did not hear that from the Sweden radio SR,it’s on this web site: http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

    • Buck

      I like their front page poll: “Who will Barack Obama’s third term running mate be?”

    • heath

      …from a think tank study funded by Halliburton.

      • Alain Samoun

        Like the Sweden radio SR show 😉

    • Omega Z

      This is Satire similar to the Onion. 🙂

      • Foks0904 .

        What videos?

        • GreenWin

          Notice the focus on ad hominem attack? Militant adherence to the Online Covert Activities manual.

    • GreenWin

      WIT… git it??

  • Alain Samoun

    A serious study by the Wyoming Institute of Technology shows that solar panels may be the end of our civilization. PVs not only capture the sun’s energy but if we continue to install them on our roofs, they will suck so much energy from the sun that it may disappear from our sky within a few hundred years. Beside the same study shows that without burning fossil fuels earth temperature will go down an average 30 degrees! And no! I did not hear that from the Sweden radio SR,it’s on this web site: http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

    • Buck

      I like their front page poll: “Who will Barack Obama’s third term running mate be?” 😉

    • heath

      …from a think tank study funded by Halliburton.

      • Alain Samoun

        Like the Sweden radio SR show 😉

    • Omega Z

      This is Satire similar to the Onion. 🙂

    • GreenWin

      WIT… git it??

  • georgehants

    White House touts energy policies as rules loom
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Setting the stage for
    upcoming restrictions on coal-fired power plants, the Obama
    administration is making a concerted effort to cast its energy policy as
    an economic success that is creating jobs, securing the nation against
    international upheavals and shifting energy use to cleaner sources.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_ENERGY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  • GreenWin

    Fascinating to see the battle of mindshare within the Swedish public media system. Some here forget that only two years ago Swedish Public TV (Freethinker please correct if this is wrong) aired a 25 minute documentary / news segment on SVT’s “World of Science” — covering Andrea Rossi and E-Cat! In a rather positive light.

    http://matslew.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/swedish-tv-on-andrea-rossi-and-the-e-cat/

    Clearly since then, and with the Elforsk-Levi confirmations, Swedish Public Radio’s has had a psychological break with SVT. There are two forces opposing each other. It is a battle for the minds of Swedes. This will become a center of behavioral study for psychologists and media students — not far from now when industry and academia alike are powered by – Cold Fusion. 🙂

    • Freethinker

      As far as I know it was aired on SVT2 the 17th of December 2012, 20:00 ECT,

      • GreenWin

        This suggests a kind of schizophrenia has taken over at Swedish radio. This seems rather bizarre as Swedes prefer neutrality on controversial subject matter. It would be interesting to know the inside story on SVT vs radio. Maybe a Guest Post Free??

        • Freethinker

          🙂 then I am not the best to provide that. I have very little insight what the “3rd Power Inc” is really doing, but they are independent from government, paid by the public (mandatory if you have anything equivalent to a TV set).

          About the split messages, well, maybe there have been a change of heart. we have not seen anything in the television since end of 2012….

  • GreenWin

    Fascinating to see the battle of mindshare within the Swedish public media system. Some here forget that only two years ago Swedish Public TV (Freethinker please correct if this is wrong) aired a 25 minute documentary / news segment on SVT’s “World of Science” — covering Andrea Rossi and E-Cat! In a rather positive light.

    http://matslew.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/swedish-tv-on-andrea-rossi-and-the-e-cat/

    Clearly since then, and with the Elforsk-Levi confirmations, Swedish Public Radio’s has had a psychological break with SVT. There are two forces opposing each other. It is a battle for the minds of Swedes. This will become a center of behavioral study for psychologists and media students — not far from now when industry and academia alike are powered by – Cold Fusion. 🙂

    • Freethinker

      As far as I know it was aired on SVT2 the 17th of December 2012, 20:00 ECT,

      • GreenWin

        This suggests a kind of schizophrenia has taken over at Swedish radio. This seems rather bizarre as Swedes prefer neutrality on controversial subject matter. It would be interesting to know the inside story on SVT vs radio. Maybe a Guest Post Free??

        • Freethinker

          🙂 then I am not the best to provide that. I have very little insight what the “3rd Power Inc” is really doing, but they are independent from government, paid by the public (mandatory if you have anything equivalent to a TV set).

          About the split messages, well, maybe there have been a change of heart. we have not seen anything in the television since end of 2012….

  • jousterusa

    I’m not sure it’s useful to publish the translated transcript of this garbage.

  • jousterusa

    I’m not sure it’s useful to publish the translated transcript of this garbage.

  • georgehants

    I keep asking.
    Why are people complaining at these journalists when they are simply reporting the official view of science and 95% of our wonderful scientists?

    • GreenWin

      While your point is made George, it is the duty of a professional journalist to research and publish truth; not truth as a herd of scientists regurgitate it. In this case there is neither science or journalism at work. Just the caterwauling of fearful propagandists.

      • georgehants

        GreenWin agreed, in a perfect World, that this is not.
        If the Prime minister gives a speech giving official policy then the media report just that and who can blame them.
        It is to all intents official scientific policy that Cold Fusion is junk and therefore Mr. Rossi et al are by definition frauds.
        Until science reports honestly on this and many other like subjects, only they can be fairly blamed for the deaths and suffering that could have been avoided by a competent investigation for the last 25 years. (I think)

      • Doktor Bob

        It should not come as a surprise that North Korea used the taxpayers money to broadcast propaganda.

        • GreenWin

          Indeed Doktor. As does every government financed media outlet.

      • psi2u2

        “Just the caterwauling of fearful propagandists…”

        uhu.

  • georgehants

    I keep asking.
    Why are people complaining at these journalists when they are simply reporting the official view of science and 95% of our wonderful scientists?

    • GreenWin

      While your point is made George, it is the duty of a professional journalist to research and publish truth; not truth as a herd of scientists regurgitate it. In this case there is neither science or journalism at work. Just the caterwauling of fearful propagandists.

      • georgehants

        GreenWin agreed, in a perfect World, that this is not.
        If the Prime minister gives a speech giving official policy then the media report just that and who can blame them.
        It is to all intents official scientific policy that Cold Fusion is junk and therefore Mr. Rossi et al are by definition frauds.
        Until science reports honestly on this and many other like subjects, only they can be fairly blamed for the deaths and suffering that could have been avoided by a competent investigation for the last 25 years. (I think)
        Who would you believe in their position of only wanting quick easy stories — The presidential adviser on Energy etc. or a few crackpots like us on a fringe Website, just like those saying crazy things like Humans are conscious beyond a machine like brain etc..

      • It should not come as a surprise that North Korea used the taxpayers money to broadcast propaganda.

        • GreenWin

          Indeed Doktor. As does every government financed media outlet.

      • psi2u2

        “Just the caterwauling of fearful propagandists…”

        uhu.

  • just found that article:

    http://fof.se/blogg/nya-kalla-fakta-om-kall-fusion#comment-12341

    it is the occasion to give that answer…

    “just found that article:

    http://fof.se/blogg/nya-kalla-fakta-om-kall-fusion#comment-12341

    it is the occasion to give that answer…

    “You seems to miss many information.

    First of all you focus on anecdota detail about the Rossi theory. This theory is wrong, point… if Toyota and Mitsubishi have found evidence (replicated thus) of transmutation of the metal it cannot be the source of heat.

    What the work of Miles and Bush (done in double blind) and the confrmation by ENEA DeNinno report have prove, is that there is production of He4 much above background or any possible enrichment (despite the myth of few incompetent people who ignore all about He4).

    Ther is also Tritium found, and replicated accros the planet, from US, India…

    NiH reaction is much well know than PdD and we cannot say much more than it is probably similar, and that as the report of SRI by tanzella on Brillouin WET reactor have measured, or as the Levi&al test funded by elforsk have prove, there is much heat produced.

    I really advise people who wnat to have good information on cold fusion story, to avoid Wikipedia, but to read people who read really the wroitten papers and the critics, and the critics of the critis, who studied calorimetry, epistemology… instead of tabloid books.

    That book is “Excess Heat” by Charles Beaudette

    http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf#page=35

    you will thus learn that there was only 4 written critics against Fleischman & Pons calorimetry. The two by Lewis and Hansen were refuted by the third of Wilson.

    the one of Morrison was so incoherent that it was dismissed as absurd (Jed Rothwell in an article on Titani myth says more on Morrison pathetic activism despite all evidence).

    the one of Wilson was god, and Fleischman introduced some correction in his computation. the problems is that Wilson corrections cannot hide the reality of some massive heat production that were observed

    Note also that the artifact proposed don’t apply to some replications, like McKubre done with closed cell, Oriani with separated gas and Seebeck calorimetry…

    I imagine that it sais nothing to you (it is clear from what you say), so my advice is to start by reading from there.

    About Rossi, the books of Mats Lewan, that you did not read visibly, give many information and explain the complex character of Rossi.

    ther wer many tests, and some clear failures, not because of fraud, but because of stubbornness. Anyone knowing the real story of Edison, tesla, Wright Brother, Bill gates, Steve Jobs, won’t be surprised.

    this is another book to read, even if it is less conclusive.

    one usual fallacies by physicists and their watchdogs (and even of LENR supporters) is to focus on theory and not on evidence.

    What is called the “Beaudette’s Doctrine” is that Cold Fusion is a calorimetry question, not a physicist question. It should be peer reviewed by chemists, by experts in calorimetry.

    for E-cat devices, at kW level, Jed Rothwell reminded that there was standards to test boilers, and that they should be respected.

    The interest of the IR Cam test, with the thermocouple calibration, is that it rules out many question on the waterflow, steam quality, and ruleout many stage magic question.

    The only reasonable question raised was about a possible DC offset that the AC powermeter could not detect. It is hard to imagine, as any of the 7 testers could have detected it with a grand-pa voltmeter, but they decided to address that in the next test.

    anyway E-cat test is not the real question as everybody know that the only serious question is whether Fleischman & Poss will be vindicated.

    as you should know if you had read the article cited in excess Heat, in the critics and their refutation, Cold Fusion excess heat is proved since about 1992 without any doubt.

    It is what the ex-skeptics Heinz Gerischer admitted in public.

    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GerischerHiscoldfusi.pdf#page=2

    Beaudette explains well in the book that the failures were not only normal (like for Dolly cloning, for semiconductors, for HTSC) but also were mostly concentrated in early quick experiments done by non chemists (incompetent in calorimetry thus), while the chemist who took few years to make a good job as they are experienced to, mostly confirmed some positive results.

    The recent joint work of ENEA, SRI, and navy NRL, confirm and detail the condition to trigger cold fusion, including high loading factor, high current density, presence and absence of some impurities at quantity similar to semiconductors doping, crystallographic structure of the surface, and polarity (yes some failure were simply polarity – but it was a physicist, you can forgive it).

    you can refuse to believe one word of what I say, but you sure have to check it.

    the end is near and it seems you are not aware of 99% of the data.

    good reading, best regards.”

    hope it is not moderated

    • Freethinker

      The journal Forskning&Framsteg is a prestigious journal, where, usually, high ranking Swedish scientists are contributing to the content. I have myself subscribed to it, in different periods, and many articles are really good.

      I find it highly disturbing that a prominent publication like that, has a blogger – Jan Scheffel, who has previously brought up Rossi, now has an entry, where he links in the radio show in a very neutral way, but manage to serve up the following:

      “One can view this story from many perspectives. For my part, I feel, that we scientists need to take a moment to think how to separate objective and subjective within science”

      This make s me concerned, as he says nothing of the really bad radio show, but see fit to discuss scientists objectiveness. I hope I am wrong, but I think that he will moderate his comments heavily and that it may be another attack on the integrity of Essén & Kullander. We have a holiday here in Sweden today, so maybe he is not vetting the comments today – even though he found the time to enter the blog entry, but no later than Monday, it will become evident what his intentions are. Heads up.

  • just found that article:

    http://fof.se/blogg/nya-kalla-fakta-om-kall-fusion#comment-12341

    it is the occasion to give that answer…

    “just found that article:

    http://fof.se/blogg/nya-kalla-fakta-om-kall-fusion#comment-12341

    it is the occasion to give that answer…

    “You seems to miss many information.

    First of all you focus on anecdota detail about the Rossi theory. This theory is wrong, point… if Toyota and Mitsubishi have found evidence (replicated thus) of transmutation of the metal it cannot be the source of heat.

    What the work of Miles and Bush (done in double blind) and the confrmation by ENEA DeNinno report have prove, is that there is production of He4 much above background or any possible enrichment (despite the myth of few incompetent people who ignore all about He4).

    Ther is also Tritium found, and replicated accros the planet, from US, India…

    NiH reaction is much well know than PdD and we cannot say much more than it is probably similar, and that as the report of SRI by tanzella on Brillouin WET reactor have measured, or as the Levi&al test funded by elforsk have prove, there is much heat produced.

    I really advise people who wnat to have good information on cold fusion story, to avoid Wikipedia, but to read people who read really the wroitten papers and the critics, and the critics of the critis, who studied calorimetry, epistemology… instead of tabloid books.

    That book is “Excess Heat” by Charles Beaudette

    http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf#page=35

    you will thus learn that there was only 4 written critics against Fleischman & Pons calorimetry. The two by Lewis and Hansen were refuted by the third of Wilson.

    the one of Morrison was so incoherent that it was dismissed as absurd (Jed Rothwell in an article on Titani myth says more on Morrison pathetic activism despite all evidence).

    the one of Wilson was god, and Fleischman introduced some correction in his computation. the problems is that Wilson corrections cannot hide the reality of some massive heat production that were observed

    Note also that the artifact proposed don’t apply to some replications, like McKubre done with closed cell, Oriani with separated gas and Seebeck calorimetry…

    I imagine that it sais nothing to you (it is clear from what you say), so my advice is to start by reading from there.

    About Rossi, the books of Mats Lewan, that you did not read visibly, give many information and explain the complex character of Rossi.

    ther wer many tests, and some clear failures, not because of fraud, but because of stubbornness. Anyone knowing the real story of Edison, tesla, Wright Brother, Bill gates, Steve Jobs, won’t be surprised.

    this is another book to read, even if it is less conclusive.

    one usual fallacies by physicists and their watchdogs (and even of LENR supporters) is to focus on theory and not on evidence.

    What is called the “Beaudette’s Doctrine” is that Cold Fusion is a calorimetry question, not a physicist question. It should be peer reviewed by chemists, by experts in calorimetry.

    for E-cat devices, at kW level, Jed Rothwell reminded that there was standards to test boilers, and that they should be respected.

    The interest of the IR Cam test, with the thermocouple calibration, is that it rules out many question on the waterflow, steam quality, and ruleout many stage magic question.

    The only reasonable question raised was about a possible DC offset that the AC powermeter could not detect. It is hard to imagine, as any of the 7 testers could have detected it with a grand-pa voltmeter, but they decided to address that in the next test.

    anyway E-cat test is not the real question as everybody know that the only serious question is whether Fleischman & Poss will be vindicated.

    as you should know if you had read the article cited in excess Heat, in the critics and their refutation, Cold Fusion excess heat is proved since about 1992 without any doubt.

    It is what the ex-skeptics Heinz Gerischer admitted in public.

    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GerischerHiscoldfusi.pdf#page=2

    Beaudette explains well in the book that the failures were not only normal (like for Dolly cloning, for semiconductors, for HTSC) but also were mostly concentrated in early quick experiments done by non chemists (incompetent in calorimetry thus), while the chemist who took few years to make a good job as they are experienced to, mostly confirmed some positive results.

    The recent joint work of ENEA, SRI, and navy NRL, confirm and detail the condition to trigger cold fusion, including high loading factor, high current density, presence and absence of some impurities at quantity similar to semiconductors doping, crystallographic structure of the surface, and polarity (yes some failure were simply polarity – but it was a physicist, you can forgive it).

    you can refuse to believe one word of what I say, but you sure have to check it.

    the end is near and it seems you are not aware of 99% of the data.

    good reading, best regards.”

    hope it is not moderated

    • Freethinker

      The journal Forskning&Framsteg is a prestigious journal, where, usually, high ranking Swedish scientists are contributing to the content. I have myself subscribed to it, in different periods, and many articles are really good.

      I find it worrying that a prominent publication like that, has a blogger – Jan Scheffel, who has previously brought up Rossi, now has an entry, where he links in the radio show in a very neutral way, but manage to serve up the following:

      “One can view this story from many perspectives. For my part, I feel, that we scientists need to take a moment to think how to separate objective and subjective within science”

      This make s me concerned, as he says nothing of the really bad radio show, but see fit to discuss scientists objectiveness. I hope I am wrong, but I think that he will moderate his comments heavily and that it may be another attack on the integrity of Essén & Kullander. We have a holiday here in Sweden today, so maybe he is not vetting the comments today – even though he found the time to enter the blog entry, but no later than Monday, it will become evident what his intentions are. Heads up.

  • Daniel Maris

    Yep, likewise. I don’t mind people opposing Rossi but I did not like the way he went about doing it – a very aggressive style in my view, not the way to conduct a genuine debate.

    As far as I know, he does believe LENR is real, or at least achievable in theory. So he is not in principle anti-LENR. But he is very much anti-Rossi and anyone who has the temerity to support him.

    • He have done a very good job beside some errors.

      He fall in love with Widom-Larsen theory, and with Larsen vision… He is not competent enough to judge the problems of that theyr.

      He also have fall in doubt with rossi after a failed demo where Rossi was really frightening.

      Krivit is simply a man who have problem to change his mind. He get convinced by LENR, and was a good activist.
      then he became a Larsen attorney, and a Rossi attorney General.

      He raised real point in all domain, but he cannot change his position, not consider a different position.
      He is not helped by his lack of scientific education, even if he learned much.

  • Karl

    I have listen to two of the three program aired by Swedish Radio (one remain tomorrow). Being somewhat informed of the research in the LENR field, what Swedish Radio is broadcasting is far from any science. It is rather withholding facts, discredit persons and grossly misleading
    uninformed listeners to judge and get their own opinion.

    Swedish Radio is not only broadcasting these three so called scientific programs. They have
    additionally sent an additional program on a same theme in their program series
    called “medierna”. They claim to have an objective watching eye on how media penetrate
    the public.

    In this program (medierna) the same people are continuing their insults on Rossi, digging in his past and how he handled media. They attack the positive view given by a previous program
    by Swedish TV a sister company. The traditional physicists view had no chance
    in this program to explain that Cold Fusion is not working because if it should
    it would be against the law of nature. The message is clear and human being
    have nothing more to learn.

    Most of us following stories of the brave, devoted and intelligent researchers and innovators in the area of Cold Fusion or free energy type of solutions have seen how MSM tailor and
    handle “truth”.

    We have long seen attempts to scare and misscredit those who try to do a proper job analyse what is truth and what is not and bring it and knowledge forward.

    It is somewhat sad that public services join in and as such misuse their clear responsibilities to
    inform a broader public properly and ant scare them off.

    It is probably no coincidence this silly program series come out just before the publication of
    the long-time testing of the E-Cat.

    • It is the same in france, and visibly everywhere in the West.

      This is why the real battle is not to argue with honest misinformed parrots, but to give them a chance to be informed.

      I don’t know if I am right, but I think that the best and many sufficient source is the book excess Heat of Charles Beaudette, which is rational, documented, and covering all sectors of the controversy, from calorimetry, media, epistemology, logic, and finally authorship.

      the article of Jed Rothwell which compare Titanic myths fed by media with cold fusion myths is a good apetizer for Beaudette heavy book.

      I think that no theory deserve to be discussed, but i like the approach of Ed Storms who remind us the basics…

      What else ? the book of Mats tell us the story of Rossi…
      After you have many scientific papers, article from Jed, some business evidence like Elforsk Perpektiv, like the chinese announce about Cherokee… the article of ENEA/SRI/NRL about their joint work to understand cold fusion.
      the list of peer review papers from Jed tally, from Spawar authorship, the articles in JJAP of Iwamura and Toyota…
      But is it worth, once you have read Beaudette…

      I finally add the article of Roland Benabou on Grouthink, of Kuhn on scientific revolution, and some know case of pathetic failure of consensus like Wright brothers, Schetman, Semmelweis, HTSC, semiconductors, X-Rays,Laser, quasi-scientists…
      does it deserve to be reminded… normally any scientist should know that, and just is actively protecting his brain from those know facts.

      I don’t know if it is useful. sure not for physicist or active skeptics who are locked in groupthink and will never dare to read anything (they don’t even moan when my links are dead)…
      maybe lurkers…

      Today university of tsinghua probably know all people who downloaded the book of Charles Beaudette…. they could say us if there is many?

  • Ophelia Rump

    I think it will be howling funny when reality sets in, and these people are left standing like the emperor with no clothes.

    • bachcole

      I keep myself healthy for this. (:->)

  • jousterusa

    What’s badly needed here is “pushback.” It would be great if someone with good science credentials bought $10 worth of Skype time and started calling Swedish media outlets in Stockholm and elsewhere to counter the stuff people have heard from these three broadcasts.
    It’s likely they have competitors who’d love the embarrass therm!

    • Ophelia Rump

      Now that you have mentioned it, I do wonder if Cherokee has a PR guy on tap.
      Surely there would be a history that related to one of his other investments.
      What is the Tom Darden playbook for a product launch?
      He must have a long online history.

    • Omega Z

      Cherokee/IH/Darden/Rossi don’t have to push back if the 3rd party test proves positive.

      How much harder could one push in this case. Within a Few weeks we should know & if that report is positive, Let them Explain that to their audience.

  • jousterusa

    What’s badly needed here is “pushback.” It would be great if someone with good science credentials bought $10 worth of Skype time and started calling Swedish media outlets in Stockholm and elsewhere to counter the stuff people have heard from these three broadcasts.
    It’s likely they have competitors who’d love the embarrass therm! It’s such a shame Rossi never hired a PR guy.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Now that you have mentioned it, I do wonder if Cherokee has a PR guy on tap.
      Surely there would be a history that related to one of his other investments.
      What is the Tom Darden playbook for a product launch?
      He must have a long online history.

    • Omega Z

      Cherokee/IH/Darden/Rossi don’t have to push back if the 3rd party test proves positive.

      How much harder could one push in this case. Within a Few weeks we should know & if that report is positive, Let them Explain that to their audience.

  • blanco69

    I think this would be a good time for Mats Lewan to come out with some ecat supporting comments. Ever since he published his book, which comes across like he believes Rossi really has something,, he’s lost his impartial reporter status. So come on Mats, help the ECW brothers and sisters out with some Swedish equilibrium!

    • stefan

      His waiting for the third program to go on air today Friday. After that he has said that he will write an answer if I understood it correctly.

  • blanco69

    I think this would be a good time for Mats Lewan to come out with some ecat supporting comments. Ever since he published his book, which comes across like he believes Rossi really has something,, he’s lost his impartial reporter status. So come on Mats, help the ECW brothers and sisters out with some Swedish equilibrium!

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      His waiting for the third program to go on air today Friday. After that he has said that he will write an answer if I understood it correctly.

  • robyn wyrick

    I can’t see any way that this program will change anything.

    Rossi has sold the E-Cat to IH.

    If IH can manufacture just one industrial E-Cat unit, then all the second guessing will be as important as the people who said human-powered flight would never be real.

    Their scandal mongering is a side show.

    Good reporting Frank, and please keep it up. I love this site. I can’t wait till June!!!

    • Freethinker

      Well,

      it will hardly stop the changes of progress in the end, but it could potentially place a fat obstacle in the way.

      If the Swedish scientists are thoroughly discredited, all interested ridiculed, it may prove more difficult for Vattenfall, for example, to push for this. Especially if there are Swedish scientists co-authoring the 3rd party paper. I know, Vattenfall is only one energy company on a tiny speck on this planet, called Sweden. I know.

      But I happen to live there, and I do not want to be deprived the future for one minute longer than need be, due to ignorance or powers with an agenda. So for me, this is no sideshow, although for the Chinese it may very well be.

      But you are right, it will change nothing of the eventual outcome.

    • Freethinker

      The 3rd part will be aired today and it will deal with Elforsk and Vattenfall. From the tone in the info about the today program, it is clear that it is a very hostile peace.

      “No arguments bites on the believer”
      They also call Rossi a “creationist”.

      And regurgitate that Rossi claim he is an engineer, when in fact he is a “philosopher”.
      Elforsk are bad because they report on the ECAT and are exclusively positive, and, major bad poo-poo, Rossi paid the travel expenses for the Swedish Scientists.

      Fasten Ur seat belts …

      • keep their words for the Nuremberg trial after.
        As citizen we have no power to make it industrial, but as citizen we can ask for punishment.
        no pity , not because of their crimes against future, but for the next generation of criminal to deter.

        You don’t have justice to punish, but to deter.

        • Freethinker

          🙂

          His name eludes me at this very moment, but you remember the guy who was on the press conference where P&F were robbed their dignity and that was the beginning of the end? They guy who said “We had plenty loading”, referring to their insufficient loading of the Hydrogen into the Palladium?

          He and all other major scientists that helped quell the CF idea in that moment, them I would like to see jailed, as well as any other non-scientists owning or executing the agenda conspiring to act like this.

          There are many skeptics (patho- or otherwise), so by ignorance, inability to find facts, fear, etc. We can’t put so many people in prison, Alain 🙂

  • robyn wyrick

    I can’t see any way that this program will change anything.

    Rossi has sold the E-Cat to IH.

    If IH can manufacture just one industrial E-Cat unit, then all the second guessing will be as important as the people who said human-powered flight would never be real.

    Their scandal mongering is a side show.

    Good reporting Frank, and please keep it up. I love this site. I can’t wait till June!!!

    • bachcole

      I see it as more than a sideshow. I see it as an opportunity to get revenge for 15 years of shallow morons using science talk to beat people up. It is opportunity for a paradigm shift. If the skeptopaths weren’t out in full force, we couldn’t slam them hard when it become obvious that LENR+ is real.

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        Yes, there is a lot of übermench mentality out there that slams people in their head for being curious, having a faith, experienced something the cannot explain with normal science. It is a very ugly bullying behavior, and they just creates anger and frustration. What do you think will happen if the majority get’s anti science, would they be kind to scientists – no, hell no. I’m a scientists, and I know that if you speak with my fellow scientists this behavior typically never shows up, my real life community is very different. But that’s our club.

    • Freethinker

      Well,

      it will hardly stop the changes of progress in the end, but it could potentially place a fat obstacle in the way.

      If the Swedish scientists are thoroughly discredited, all interested ridiculed, it may prove more difficult for Vattenfall, for example, to push for this. Especially if there are Swedish scientists co-authoring the 3rd party paper. I know, Vattenfall is only one energy company on a tiny speck on this planet, called Sweden. I know.

      But I happen to live there, and I do not want to be deprived the future for one minute longer than need be, due to ignorance or powers with an agenda. So for me, this is no sideshow, although for the Chinese it may very well be.

      But you are right, it will change nothing of the eventual outcome.

  • HGB
  • HGB
    • Freethinker

      Alain,

      He agree’s with them in so far as saying that Rossi is a scammer and will eventually end up in jail.

      BUT he is in-fact complaining on the poor quality of the program, and equally poorly made research.

      Then again everything else he writes is to me completely misguided.

    • Freethinker

      Alain,

      He agree’s with them in so far as saying that Rossi is a scammer and will eventually end up in jail.

      BUT he is in-fact complaining on the poor quality of the program, and equally poorly made research.

      Then again everything else he writes is to me completely misguided.

  • Freethinker

    The 3rd part will be aired today and it will deal with Elforsk and Vattenfall. From the tone in the info about the today program, it is clear that it is a very hostile peace.

    “No arguments bites on the believer”
    They also call Rossi a “creationist”.

    And regurgitate that Rossi claim he is an engineer, when in fact he is a “philosopher”.
    Elforsk are bad because they report on the ECAT and are exclusively positive, and, major bad poo-poo, Rossi paid the travel expenses for the Swedish Scientists.

    Fasten Ur seat belts …

    • keep their words for the Nuremberg trial after.
      As citizen we have no power to make it industrial, but as citizen we can ask for punishment.
      no pity , not because of their crimes against future, but for the next generation of criminal to deter.

      You don’t have justice to punish, but to deter.

      • Freethinker

        🙂

        His name eludes me at this very moment, but you remember the guy who was on the press conference where P&F were robbed their dignity and that was the beginning of the end? They guy who said “We had plenty loading”, referring to their insufficient loading of the Hydrogen into the Palladium?

        He and all other major scientists that helped quell the CF idea in that moment, them I would like to see jailed, as well as any other non-scientists owning or executing the agenda conspiring to act like this.

        There are many skeptics (patho- or otherwise), so by ignorance, inability to find facts, fear, etc. We can’t put so many people in prison, Alain 🙂

        But they wouldn’t die of some “I told U so” ridicule…

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    I just listened to the third part of the radio show, Really really bad journalism. They are clearly cutting the tape to make their way of the story. For example when they asked Lewan what it will take to dismiss Andrea Rossi, he told basically the reporter that if they found measurment errors in the tests, he would change his mind about Rossis apparatus. Then they asked him of he would dissmiss cold fusion, then he said no, but … then his talk was cut away. What he stated after the cut was that there was other cold fusion ideas, companies and results. But the journalist wanted to show that Mats is a bad believer. It’s really that awful, they do tricks all the time to black paint people all around. Another bad part was their judgement of the Levi report. They let Pomp or was it Ericsson to state that it was a crap scientific paper, claiming bad references such as web sites and that it contained anecdotal information. No mentioning any thing that is good about the paper, basically paint that anyone believing in anything in that paper is a ignorant fool. I’ve so embarrassed by this shit.

    • Freethinker

      Deep sigh … I agree with your observations. It is an amazing piece of crap. But, wait! If I say that I am a Believer. I am a sect member!

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        Yes, if we decide to wait for clear evidences and not accept weak ones for judging someone you are a sect member!!! Do they want the witch hunt back to the society. They truly are a piece of dirty minded people. Oh they end up asking anyone (intended point at anybody not rejecting Rossi) not believing in the environment cathastroph of Rossis old endavour. Well no one thinks that it wasn’t a huge problem, Rossi tell the story that he used to take care of the dump for much less money than the state was claiming, someones is probably making 100’s of millions and blaiming Rossi, that is as well is awfull.

        • GreenWin

          Gentlemen, you empower the negative simply by dwelling upon it here. With deep respect to your great artist Ingmar Bergman, look beyond this cloud – perhaps to the STV segment that suggested Rossi, LENR and abundance is believable. Just a thought. 🙂

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            🙂
            I think that it important to show a bit of the tricks they are using and some problematic issues by putting the wrong man in the jail. My bet is that the anger that is behind this show stems from an anger of the pollution scandal and is a kind of a really bad summary street court.

          • GreenWin

            Of course. Exposing dirty tricks as we did with “Tricky” Dick Nixon in the USA is important. But focus on extraordinary uplift to humanity is better!

          • Freethinker

            I hear you, and I do agree. But if their image of reality is communicated without some fight, it may make any uplift discussion moot or at least such info difficult to push out. Nobody will listen. But at the end there will be products and that will eventually settle all arguments.

          • Freethinker

            Not to worry, the dwelling is not deeply rooted. But I am a bit annoyed. 😉

  • Mats

    Worst case scenario IMO: The coming report is positive but then we only see more ‘Rossi says’, possibly also ‘IH representative says’. The credability of the writers of the report will suffer badly if not the real goods will be shown up to the world shortly after. IMO Rossi and IH are moral obliged to these people to deliver very soon after a positive report. At least one public installation.
    I that’s not the case, the field will still fascinate me but Rossi/IH will not.

  • GreenWin

    @Admin, Frank, you might consider adding the link to the Swedish Public TV – SVT 2012 broadcast that reviews the plausibility of E-Cat and its global benefit to humanity. Just to highlight the strange conflict of interests within Swedish public media.

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/12/22/andrea-rossi-featured-in-swedish-tv-show/

  • Freethinker

    The last part of the SR P1 radio show:

    http://t.sr.se/1kQS9zX

    Transcript/translation:
    http://bit.ly/1kQS8M9

    Knock yourself out.

    • artefact

      Good work again. Thx.

    • ecatworld

      Thanks so much for the work you have done with this, Freethinker. It’s good to have these shows chronicled as part of the history the story.

    • thanks…
      like seeing the video of Kennedy assassination.
      They killed the swedish scientists.

  • Freethinker

    The last part of the SR P1 radio show:

    http://t.sr.se/1kQS9zX

    Transcript/translation:
    http://bit.ly/1kQS8M9

    Knock yourself out.

    • artefact

      Good work again. Thx.

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks so much for the work you have done with this, Freethinker. It’s good to have these shows chronicled as part of the history the story.

    • thanks…
      like seeing the video of Kennedy assassination.
      They killed the swedish scientists.

  • psi2u2

    I agree. At least on the subject of Rossi, Krivit is not a reliable source. He abandoned any pretense to objectivity on that point long ago.

  • Freethinker

    So they final card has been played.

    In the spirit of GreenWin, proponent of putting the focus of the uplift and positive, I will be sparse with my venom.

    It is amazing that an acolyte of patho-skepticism, that is what Marcus Hansson must be, can say words like “It is this that is the core of the fanatical conviction, that it is dogmatic, and that it cannot be changed.” and actually talking about, me,you and LENR, folks.

    Again, removing all manure, there is – again – null, nil, zilsch – and really nothing – left behind.

    Bad ElForsk, investigating a potentially game changing source of energy. WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!!! P-leeaase! I quake in my pants!

    First there are accusations that tax money is used to help this criminal, then he is upset that the criminal is actually paying himself for flight tickets. Go figure.

    So this overly religious criminal environmental wrecking creationistic fake engineer philosopher scammer and his exceptionally gullible swedish friends have now been thoroughly exposed. I take my hat of for you …

    Epic fail.

    There are so many flaws in this guys story that it almost hurt when I think of all the typing I must have to do just to describe them.

    So Green, lets think about the uplift. The uplift here, is, that anybody actually listening into this – assume average intelligence ….. well actually rather a bit lower than average – will now understand that there is a revolutionary energy source on the brink of availability and that this journalist is really badmouthing this at a level, that it actually must be real…

    Even die hard skeptics are annoyed with Marcus Hansson and his show as it is clearly a hit piece.

    So let’s archive this and move on. I rest my case.

    • my dear is working in politics, and she educated me a little about the technology (yes it is one)….

      It is clear that I recognize a black campaign. 2 weeks before the election.

      Remember that I asked people what they would invent to find the excuse to disprove the third party report.

      Levi was out…

      DC was measured…

      calorimetry was flow calorimetry…

      It was done in an independent resort.

      what could they say…

      They know that if they raised a problem, the third party testers would address it immediately, and their conspiracy theory will be refuted with clear evidences…

      so they waited… and 1-2 weeks before the report is published, when the last typo are corrected… they get a conspiracy theory wit plane ticket out of their magician hat.

      the third party testers can no more answer. well done.

      all the believers who swallowed the lies of parks, Huizenga, taubes, Morrison, by not reading a word of their conspiracy theory (read http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4) , will comfortably see that there is somewhere, a conspiracy theory, of which they have no idea, that can explain all… comfortably.

      all the media will comfortably repeat the myth without entering any detail… just saying “of course we have an explanation, it is fake”… and everybody will go back in the sofa.

      I’m afraid they won.

      Franck you should tell it to rossi… his test is dead. It will only convince believers.

      It is really a problem since I know a big corp (50bn+ sales) that now will be too coward to go public on that subject. I know corps executive don’t have bollocks, so goodbye.

      You cannot imagine how furious I can be.

      Well done. That is how politics works.

      F**k 8<

      • Freethinker

        ….and then thousands of mysterious device pop up in China generating energy at unprecedented low cost. The end game cannot be lost. It is just a matter of the time we will be prevented from taking part in the future. I am not sure this program will be sufficient. It is of too poor quality, and the hit piece character is too evident. Even an idiot will see it. Or so I think. I hope U R wrong.

        • For me it will be a huge failure of Science and Rationality.
          we have mW calorimeters, precise below 0.1%, weh have IR cam, thermocouple, big energy agencies, comitees, procedures, media, scientific journals, peer-review panel, …

          and we cannot see the evidence of few kW in a black tube, because any evidence is challenged by truthers, by creationist of orthodox science, by mainstream Apollo conspiracy specialists…

          like with Wright brothers we have to wait their technology is bought by a foreign country.

          I naively though that the third party report, well made, would, even late, do the job.

          nope.

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            No, A good test is a good test. And if there is minor issues they can be corrected afterwards. The bosses of IH knows that. The Swedish SR radio show was so bad that it is easy to argue against it. My boss will have a great laugh on Monday.

          • that article from Jed about how media and Nobel were gullible agains cold fusion make me afraid that only few businessmen and engineers will see E-cat as real.

            http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4

            “In rare cases, a few scientists have been guilty of even more unethical behavior. McKubre and other prominent cold fusion scientists have given copies of journal papers to prominent critics, including Douglas Morrison, Robert Park, and John Huizenga. The papers directly contradict assertions made by the critics regarding matters of fact, not opinion, such as the amount of energy produced by cells in continuous bursts, the percent of input versus output, or the amount of chemical energy that a mass 0.5 grams of palladium deuteride will release as it degasses. Morrison often claims the degassing can account for the heat produced during an experiment performed by Fleischmann and Pons. Fleischmann gave him a paper showing conclusively that he is mistaken by a factor of 1,700. Morrison has been told about this mistake countless times, at conferences, in writing, and in a formal reply published in Physics Letters A. Yet he recently contacted a Nobel laureate and repeated the same misinformation. Fortunately, the Nobel scientist contacted me, and I was able to give him the correct numbers.

            Gary Taubes is another prominent critic. He made many misinformed claims in his book, on the radio, and in the mass media. He may not be qualified to read journal papers, because he does not appear to understand basic concepts such as electricity. He claims people sometimes measure electrolysis amperage alone and not voltage, and he thinks that regulated power supplies put out more electricity over the weekend because factories use less power. He thinks some researchers measure tritium once, after the experiment, without establishing a baseline or taking periodic samples. His book is filled with hundreds of similar errors. Perhaps the most mind-boggling one was his statement that a cell might have huge temperature gradients, “say fifty degrees hotter on one side than the other.”

            This is like asserting that you might stir a cup of coffee, drink from the right side and find it tepid, but when you turn the cup around and drink from the left side, it will be steaming hot. Taubes wrote his book using the same methods employed by sensation-mongering reporters in 1912: he pieced together second-hand rumors and made wild guesses about a subject he does not understand. He described his methods in the introduction, footnotes, and appendices. The book is based upon interviews and telephone conversations with 257 people, listed in an appendix. He spoke with seventeen people who actually performed experiments. Four of the seventeen are implacable enemies of cold fusion, including the authors of the three famous “negative” experiments. Most of the remaining 240 are critics like Frank Close and William Happer, who deplore cold fusion, and have staked their reputations on its demise. They have attacked it in the mass media, the ERAB report, and in books. Although more than a thousand peer-reviewed papers were published by the time Taubes wrote the book, he did not reference a single one of them in the footnotes. His descriptions of the experiments are wildly at variance with the facts, in major and minor details, so it seems unlikely that he read a paper. Describing an experiment is an exacting task, even when you understand electricity, you read the paper, visit the lab, and ask the experimenter to review your description. When a scientifically illiterate person tries to imagine how an experiment works based on allegations made by people who despise the research, indescribable confusion and distortion result.

            Taubes’ book was recommended in enthusiastic blurbs by four Nobel laureates and the chairman of the American Association of the Advancement of Science. These people could not have actually read the book, or if they did, their judgment was skewed by animosity. This shows how easy it is to spread false information, and how careless distinguished scientists can be. It takes only a small group of people to poison the well of public opinion. There may be a few other active critics in the mass media, but most attacks originate from these four: Morrison, Park, Huizenga, and Taubes. They are not famous or influential. They succeed because many scientists bear a grudge against cold fusion, and are willing to believe the worst about it. When Robert Park attacked it with inflammatory ad hominem rhetoric, a room packed with hundreds of members of the American Physical Society (APS) applauded and cheered.

            Mistakes Caused by Culture, Denial, and Psychology One way to learn how to separate fact from fiction is to study the ways mistakes and disagreements arose in the first place, and why they remain in the historical record, seemingly impervious to correction.”

            You will see their activism on radio, their incapacity to admit scientific results whatever people do to convince them…
            and you will see the media and scientist applaud those disinformation crooks.

            thinking 5 second that you can buy physicist with a sweden-italy ticket… Did their hear of easy-jet?

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            The problem is that the scientific process for physics does not work when you get a 5% reproduction rate. That system is basically flawed. If you employ statistics like in medicine you can handle this , but this is typically not something that is close to heart to engineers and scientists in chemistry and physics. It all that opens up a lot of politics and the science get hurt. It is really easy to prove that there is classic cold fusion in Pd, you simply do a blind test where the tester does not know if the water id heavy or not. It would be remarkable if he could decide the kind of water through a cold fusion experiment. I bet that would hit the main papers if done correctly. The experiment is time consuming and expensive though. Anyway politics would not be able to touch such an experiment if you have a couple of them.

          • Omega Z

            AlainCo
            So, Should they succeed in discrediting the Report.
            Industrial Heat needs only builds a single LENR Power Plant. “IN CHINA”
            What shall all the Rich & Powerful Do?
            Sit back & watch ALL their Wealth & by association, Power be sucked into “CHINA”? I Don’t Think So!

            Tho Countries can sometimes work together to contain of suppress products, information, or technology, China is in a very precarious position. Nothing could persuade them to resist making use of this technology.

            So regardless how they make the 3rd party test appear, If the Technology works, It will be built. Even if that requires the China Option. The best they can do is delay it a few years… Money & Power will not allow anyone to shut them out.

          • In my opinion this ridiculous radio show was a win for team LENR.

            First off the number of people who actually heard it was probably small. Plus it changes nothing: current public perception is that cold fusion died in 1989. Most probably found it very curious that this radio show was talking about it at all.

            Most importantly it resorted to falsehoods, half-truths, cherry picking and character assassination. These are tactics with limited impact and shelf-life: ones we can beat with truth and persistence.

            If June’s 3rd party report is strongly positive and has any big names attached to it, this stupid radio show will be quickly forgotten.

            It’s all down to the report. Frank has the right idea. People in positions of power and in position to spread the truth need to hear our side of the story.

            When the battle is engaged, yes counter the Internet shills, but try to maximize the report’s exposure to commercial, government, military and media organizations and people that can actually affect the E-Cat’s adoption.

            For example we have a great China card to play. Nothing wins an argument and gets an American’s attention like suggesting the Chinese are going to beat us to the punch. Let’s use it.

            Tell businessmen how much money they can save. Tell politicians how they can be heroes. tell soldiers the amazing advantages, unlimited decentralized power will provide. Tell the media they are sitting on the story of the century… maybe of all time.

          • you make a point that raising awareness on the question, even with bas answer is good…

            about

            “Nothing wins an argument and gets an American’s attention like suggesting the Chinese are going to beat us to the punch.”

            it remind me something, not even with chinese… Enemy in business is a good motive, better than greed in fact.

            just say Pepsi that Coca is buying LENR lab, and pepsi will put a million in R&D.

          • builditnow

            Crimes against all humanity and crimes against all of nature globally?

            Do efforts to suppress LENR / Cold Fusion rise to the level crimes against “all humanity” and “all of nature” … yet?

            Are those deliberately trying to suppress LENR considering the prospect of standing trial in the International Court in The Hague for the massive damage they caused?

          • I agree that when E-cat will be sold it will be accepted as real after a reasonable time (less than one year, to compare with Wright Brothers plane).

            It is simply a pity that you need to sell a product to prove it works, while you have tons of scientific evidence it is based on a real phenomenon, and a fair test results…

            at least rational people should say that there is a not so little chance that E-cat is real and that rational business men should buy an insurance against that revolution…

            as Mats explain, even if you can have DOUBT, it is a reason to LOOK FURTHER, not to CLOSE YOUR EYES!

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        At least you won me over to try arguing and moderate this issue. I hate it when politics get’s into science. And I thinking that we are smoked if we can’t get any new kind of energy source out of the magician’s hat else we will burn all oil and coal that there is in a quite short time, then anything can happen. So I will spend my brainz arguing.

      • curious

        Yours is an interesting observation, that now is the ideal time for the smear campaign -it has time to seep into the public opinion before the authors can make their rebuke.
        At the end, I think if Rossi is the real deal he will succeed because greed is more powerful than politics, and the value of the invention is incalculable. There are other more altruistic reasons, but the bottom line is the bottom line.

        • greed is powerful only for the have not, the young entrepreneurs.
          For people in place the fear is more powerful.

          in fact today some people are selling LENR not as hope, but as a cataclysm to protect your company from, by adaptation/research.

          • It seems someone have send a letter to a media authority in sweden about that black campaign

            http://lordnilsson.blogspot.fr/2014/05/min-anmalan-till-granskningsnamnden.html

            Maybe a swedish citizen can comment and explain

          • Freethinker

            🙂

            Well “A Swede” commented on this thread 3 days ago (see below) and gave this link :

            http://www.radioochtv.se/en/

            Basically there are conditions to uphold the license to broadcast, and those conditions include the content. In principle the reporting must be objective and so on. A program can be reported and a board is then reviewing the complaint and can cite the the responsible persons.

            But note :

            “Are all the complaints investigated?
            Not all of the complaints lead to an investigation. The Chairman of the Broadcasting Commission decides which complaints will be investigated. Decisions of the Broadcasting Commission may not be appealed. This also applies to decisions stating that a complaint will not lead to an investigation.”

            There is room for complaints to be ignored ….

            But the result is usually merely a slap on the wrist, and some aggressive investigating shows might actually relish in such citing. However, the channel is required to broadcast that they have been cited, and a response to this, and usually a correction.

            Somehow such corrections are broadcast out of band for those who usually listens as they can be aired at some other time than the program. (it is a little bit debated right now how such corrections are to be aired).

          • Lord Nilsson

            Yes. Lord Nilsson, that’s me ! I listened to all three programs about Rossi and his work and then decided to report the program to “the inspection jury” at the authority for swedish radio and tv. Because, as I see it, they violates the requirement of impartiality and state things with lack of evidence. Based on for exemple hearsays about Rossi’s earlier controversy with fairness in Italy. Or… as the responsible for the program, Ulrika Björksten, comment it: (quote)….. “my subconscious told me, that it is a scam” (end of quote)

          • psi2u2

            Thank you, Lord Nilsson!

            What a revealing quotation.

      • Get it together, Alain. This was only a minor skirmish in the hills before Napolean’s army advances over the ridge line. We’re going to need you for the coming battles.

        This is all about power (mostly in the form of money, but also social — people protecting their turf and positions).

        Assuming a good report, “we” will have the facts on “our” side. And the indefatigable Andrea Rossi and his generals navigating the minefield. We need to employ guerilla tactics, like Minutemen popping out from behind trees to decimate the RedCoats. Put pressure everywhere until the dam bursts and the wall of disbelief crumbles to dust like the Berlin Wall overrun by a joyous new generation demanding freedom. The revolution is upon us. Paul Revere makes his ride soon. Get your damn musket ready.

        The wall is not as sturdy as it looks, suffering from decades of decay.

        • my job is to parachute weapons (Beaudette and few other article).
          Most people don’t read it today, but when question will raise, few will use it.

          A ballot not a bullet. your pencil is a weapon. drop books not bombs.

    • orsobubu

      Sylvie Coyaud, interviewed in the Swedish program, is a relatively
      little-known French-Italian science journalist and could be, in the
      terminology of the media, more properly be called a blogger. In the
      eighties, she led for many years a modest scientific transmission aired
      by Radio Popolare (Popular Radio), an extreme leftist Milan-based
      network, at that time deployed on radically anti-American,
      anti-Atlantiist and pro-Soviet positions. It was the channel choosed by
      armed terroristic formations to disseminate press releases of their
      attacks. It was known police costantly monitored the phone calls coming
      on the radio. I remember very well the transmissions after space shuttle
      Challenger disaster, in which conductors and listeners rushed to
      microphones enjoying for the event.

      With the end of the Cold
      War, the radio positioned on reformist and pro-European side, but the
      connotation of influential alternative media in the italian information
      system still remains. Some
      radical souls once present in the
      conduction, such as trade unionist, student revolutionary, feminist,
      gay, anti-nuclearist ones, etc., have converted into current topics such
      as the defense of immigrants, of the environment, etc, a mix of Ralph
      Nader, Al Gore and Noam Chomsky. Of course I do not intend to make any
      type of connection between Coyaud and these facts but only describe the
      cultural environment of her work, which is common to the background of
      the left-wing journalists in Italy, siding with popular positions and
      socially engaged like, just in case, in the fight against frauds,
      opposed to conservative ones, described as on the payroll of the
      multinationals. Curiously, Coyaud, in her battle against Rossi, end up
      defending the big capital’s interests, but this is a specific trait of
      former Italian left extra-parliamentary intellectuals, now flocked in
      droves to support the various sectors of private and state capitalism.

      Here is a links to a couple of Coyaud’s blogs, the latter already linked by bachcole some time ago:

      http://ocasapiens-dweb.blogautore.repubblica.it/2014/05/25/bollitore-nucleare-a-fusione-fredda-cont/comment-page-1/#comments

      http://oggiscienza.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/una-tantum/

      Here I translate some interesting phrases:
      ————————-
      “Since June, Hydrofusion is still looking for a pilot customer to whom to deliver the E -cat for free”

      “One
      of the licensees for Germany – also representative of an energy
      converter from vacuum – asked back its stake to invest it in a business
      in alternative medicine”

      “If Rossi could get enough energy, he
      could sell it to the grid to make millions dollars, and save millions of
      children and to buy some apartments in Florida. Instead, he had to
      resort to an industrial partner”

      “In the case of cold fusion I
      have noticed that if measurements are done well, the phenomenon will
      disappear or there are small anomalies that can be explained by chemical
      reactions already known”

      “IH is not Cherokee, which stands to
      BlackRock (sic) as Rossi stands to National Instruments: a customer like
      thousands of other companies”.
      “IH is a private fund of 11
      millions in the form of equities, debts and options, absolutely not an
      “industrial partner”. You are free to believe that engineer Fabiani of
      Leonardo is working with IH to “develop” the e- cat in North Carolina,
      while he is indeed dealing with gambling in Getech firm in Piacenza,
      Italy.”

      “Rossi has always posed as a victim, but with all those apartments in Florida I thought it was more difficult”.

      “In
      the U.S. collecting millions for crazy stuff comes out every day, and
      for centuries. Think of Keely and the hundreds of millions spent by the
      DOD to explode hamsters with brainpower”

      “With $ 12m , once
      removed the purchase, perhaps remains a sum to remunerate lawyers and
      patent attorneys for a couple of years. After that, just copy
      BlackLight: make a Board of Directors with former CEOs of Westinghouse
      and some emeritus at MIT and you will get 3 million a year for sure”

      “We are several people working on this issue (the Swedish broadcasted program) for months, and it is all very clear to us”

      “Anonimity
      of mysterious IH lenders and 1 MW plant lenders is protected by the law
      of Delaware. Investment in high-tech adventures are deducted from
      taxable ( tax deferral , it seems to me that it’s called ), and in some
      cases it is a bargain.”

      “Now we have the correspondence with Levi
      of Swedish scientists who signed the 3rd party report, so we know that
      their measurements are incorrect. In the only properly done by
      independent experts the COP remains stable at nearly 1”
      ————————–
      Regarding
      this last sentence, here is another Coyaud’s blog where she reports
      about the mails exchanged among the 3rd party report authors:

      http://oggiscienza.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/kall-fusion-uninvenzione-impossibile-iii/

      translated:

      http://tinyurl.com/n8l9scd

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        > “Now we have the correspondence with Levi
        > of Swedish scientists who signed the 3rd party report, so we know that
        > their measurements are incorrect. In the only properly done by
        > independent experts the COP remains stable at nearly 1”
        > ————————–
        > Regarding
        > this last sentence, here is another Coyaud’s blog where she reports
        > about the mails exchanged among the 3rd party report authors:

        So basically that all relies on to trust Levi or not. Nothing new. Good enough to decide to do a proper test.

        Also the Swedish SR show was using very basic tricks with the scissor and record tape, it is really badly done. The same trick can be accomplished by quoting parts of the email correspondence which I assume is stored on public record and is regarded as public knowledge and reachable for any journalist (We have that system in sweden)

        Cheers!

        • Andreas Moraitis

          It would be very interesting to read that correspondence. Any ideas where it could be found?

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            Generally I don’t like this feature, but you can start by translating,
            http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article265171.ece

          • GreenWin

            Sifferkoll has made an excellent observation. Misguided environmentalists oppose LENR because it solves their biggest issues. They should be happy. They should rejoice. Instead they grumble, avoid, deny, impede environmental progress. Why?? As Sifferkoll notes, because they will lose prestige, power, and…. $$$$$.

            This is tantamount to a doctor withholding a cure. He does so fearing he will no longer be needed. He clings to the attention and prestige his ego demands. Human beings must transcend this frailty. Such transcendence should be the domain of academia. Higher education should not attempt to give students careers. Higher education should provide knowledge and tools to put an end to careers.

            We see this in action today. LENR will put an end to much of the fossil/fission extraction industry. Old energy careers will end. But for the well educated, new, more creative careers will begin. This should be the goal of educators. Equip students to think creatively. And to be joyful in doing so. 🙂 2 cents.

      • Heath

        Besides how Coyaud is interpreting these scraps of information, I find it interesting the President Obama did know about last year’s test and Industrial Heat likely well before the test. He also did visit the NC Research Triangle last fall and likely IH as many have conjectured before. I can imagine that the US government is VERY aware of this device which may be why everything is being kept under the radar (away from lobbyists, politicians and energy executives). From Coyaud’s blog:

        “We are asked to prepare an” Executive Summary “of our results, which will be presented to the President of the United States Barack Obama. I will take the responsibility to make that kind of letter, circulate it among yourselves so you will be able to suggest any kind of correction, and I think that that letter should be signed by all of us. It should be ready by 29/4. Will not be published and will only contain the main results on which we all agree. We are in the presence of a new energy source and as yet unknown. Attached to that letter, we may also send a draft of the article. If we were able to send him to the arXiv (an online store, ed) by that date would be perfect. ”

        The news that the President will travel to the headquarters of the company that owns the rights to the technology and will discuss with the owners is not surprising. The Swedes do not know that, according to Rossi, President Jimmy Carter had personally phoned to Andrea Rossi’s Petroldragon to inquire about its technology.

        • psi2u2

          Carter, like Rossi, was ahead of his time.

      • Freethinker

        “”We are several people working on this issue (the Swedish broadcasted program) for months, and it is all very clear to us”

        Marcus Hansson is only one little cog in this coordinated attack which in reality could be orchestrated by a large political leftist movement, which nowadays really are going errands for big business? Is that the idea?

        The thought, alone….

  • Freethinker

    So their final card has been played.

    In the spirit of GreenWin, proponent of putting the focus on the uplift and positive, I will be sparse with my venom.

    It is amazing that an acolyte of patho-skepticism, that is what Marcus Hansson must be, can say words like “It is this that is the core of the fanatical conviction, that it is dogmatic, and that it cannot be changed.” and actually talking about, me, you and LENR, folks.

    Again, removing all manure, there is – again – null, nil, zilsch – and really nothing – left behind.

    Bad ElForsk, investigating a potentially game changing source of energy. WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!!! P-leeaase! I quake in my pants!

    First there are accusations that tax money is used to help this criminal, then he is upset that the criminal is actually paying himself for flight tickets. Go figure.

    So this overly religious criminal environmental wrecking creationistic fake engineer philosopher scammer and his exceptionally gullible swedish friends have now been thoroughly exposed. I take my hat of for you …

    Epic fail.

    There are so many flaws in this guys story that it almost hurt when I think of all the typing I must have to do just to describe them.

    So Green, lets think about the uplift. The uplift here, is, that anybody actually listening into this – assume average intelligence ….. well actually rather a bit lower than average – will now understand that there is a revolutionary energy source on the brink of availability and that this journalist is really badmouthing this at a level, that it actually must be real…

    Even die hard skeptics are annoyed with Marcus Hansson and his show as it is clearly a hit piece.

    So let’s archive this and move on. I rest my case.

    • my dear is working in politics, and she educated me a little about the technology (yes it is one)….

      It is clear that I recognize a black campaign. 2 weeks before the election.

      Remember that I asked people what they would invent to find the excuse to disprove the third party report.

      Levi was out…

      DC was measured…

      calorimetry was flow calorimetry…

      It was done in an independent resort.

      what could they say…

      They know that if they raised a problem, the third party testers would address it immediately, and their conspiracy theory will be refuted with clear evidences…

      so they waited… and 1-2 weeks before the report is published, when the last typo are corrected… they get a conspiracy theory wit plane ticket out of their magician hat.

      the third party testers can no more answer. well done.

      all the believers who swallowed the lies of parks, Huizenga, taubes, Morrison, by not reading a word of their conspiracy theory (read http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4) , will comfortably see that there is somewhere, a conspiracy theory, of which they have no idea, that can explain all… comfortably.

      all the media will comfortably repeat the myth without entering any detail… just saying “of course we have an explanation, it is fake”… and everybody will go back in the sofa.

      I’m afraid they won.

      Franck you should tell it to rossi… his test is dead. It will only convince believers.

      It is really a problem since I know … that now will be too coward to go public on that subject. I know corps executive don’t have bollocks, so goodbye.

      You cannot imagine how furious I can be.

      Well done. That is how politics works.

      F**k 8<

      • Freethinker

        ….and then thousands of mysterious device pop up in China generating energy at unprecedented low cost. The end game cannot be lost. It is just a matter of the time we will be prevented from taking part in the future. I am not sure this program will be sufficient. It is of too poor quality, and the hit piece character is too evident. Even an idiot will see it. Or so I think. I hope U R wrong.

        • For me it will be a huge failure of Science and Rationality.
          we have mW calorimeters, precise below 0.1%, we have IR cam, thermocouple, big energy agencies, committees, procedures, media, scientific journals, peer-review panel, …

          and we cannot see the evidence of few kW in a black tube, because any evidence is challenged by truthers, by creationist of orthodox science, by mainstream Apollo conspiracy specialists…

          like with Wright brothers we have to wait their technology is bought by a foreign country.

          I naively thought that the third party report, well made, would, even late, do the job.

          nope.

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            No, A good test is a good test. And if there is minor issues they can be corrected afterwards. The bosses of IH knows that. The Swedish SR radio show was so bad that it is easy to argue against it. My boss will have a great laugh on Monday.

          • that article from Jed about how media and Nobel were gullible against cold fusion make me afraid that only few businessmen and engineers will see E-cat as real.

            http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4

            “In rare cases, a few scientists have been guilty of even more unethical behavior. McKubre and other prominent cold fusion scientists have given copies of journal papers to prominent critics, including Douglas Morrison, Robert Park, and John Huizenga. The papers directly contradict assertions made by the critics regarding matters of fact, not opinion, such as the amount of energy produced by cells in continuous bursts, the percent of input versus output, or the amount of chemical energy that a mass 0.5 grams of palladium deuteride will release as it degasses. Morrison often claims the degassing can account for the heat produced during an experiment performed by Fleischmann and Pons. Fleischmann gave him a paper showing conclusively that he is mistaken by a factor of 1,700. Morrison has been told about this mistake countless times, at conferences, in writing, and in a formal reply published in Physics Letters A. Yet he recently contacted a Nobel laureate and repeated the same misinformation. Fortunately, the Nobel scientist contacted me, and I was able to give him the correct numbers.

            Gary Taubes is another prominent critic. He made many misinformed claims in his book, on the radio, and in the mass media. He may not be qualified to read journal papers, because he does not appear to understand basic concepts such as electricity. He claims people sometimes measure electrolysis amperage alone and not voltage, and he thinks that regulated power supplies put out more electricity over the weekend because factories use less power. He thinks some researchers measure tritium once, after the experiment, without establishing a baseline or taking periodic samples. His book is filled with hundreds of similar errors. Perhaps the most mind-boggling one was his statement that a cell might have huge temperature gradients, “say fifty degrees hotter on one side than the other.”

            This is like asserting that you might stir a cup of coffee, drink from the right side and find it tepid, but when you turn the cup around and drink from the left side, it will be steaming hot. Taubes wrote his book using the same methods employed by sensation-mongering reporters in 1912: he pieced together second-hand rumors and made wild guesses about a subject he does not understand. He described his methods in the introduction, footnotes, and appendices. The book is based upon interviews and telephone conversations with 257 people, listed in an appendix. He spoke with seventeen people who actually performed experiments. Four of the seventeen are implacable enemies of cold fusion, including the authors of the three famous “negative” experiments. Most of the remaining 240 are critics like Frank Close and William Happer, who deplore cold fusion, and have staked their reputations on its demise. They have attacked it in the mass media, the ERAB report, and in books. Although more than a thousand peer-reviewed papers were published by the time Taubes wrote the book, he did not reference a single one of them in the footnotes. His descriptions of the experiments are wildly at variance with the facts, in major and minor details, so it seems unlikely that he read a paper. Describing an experiment is an exacting task, even when you understand electricity, you read the paper, visit the lab, and ask the experimenter to review your description. When a scientifically illiterate person tries to imagine how an experiment works based on allegations made by people who despise the research, indescribable confusion and distortion result.

            Taubes’ book was recommended in enthusiastic blurbs by four Nobel laureates and the chairman of the American Association of the Advancement of Science. These people could not have actually read the book, or if they did, their judgment was skewed by animosity. This shows how easy it is to spread false information, and how careless distinguished scientists can be. It takes only a small group of people to poison the well of public opinion. There may be a few other active critics in the mass media, but most attacks originate from these four: Morrison, Park, Huizenga, and Taubes. They are not famous or influential. They succeed because many scientists bear a grudge against cold fusion, and are willing to believe the worst about it. When Robert Park attacked it with inflammatory ad hominem rhetoric, a room packed with hundreds of members of the American Physical Society (APS) applauded and cheered.
            .”

            You will see their activism on radio, their incapacity to admit scientific results whatever people do to convince them…
            and you will see the media and scientist applaud those disinformation crooks.

            thinking 5 second that you can buy physicist with a sweden-italy ticket… Did their hear of easy-jet?

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            The problem is that the scientific process for physics does not work when you get a 5% reproduction rate. That system is basically flawed. If you employ statistics like in medicine you can handle this , but this is typically not something that is close to heart to engineers and scientists in chemistry and physics. It all that opens up a lot of politics and the science get hurt. It is really easy to prove that there is classic cold fusion in Pd, you simply do a blind test where the tester does not know if the water id heavy or not. It would be remarkable if he could decide the kind of water through a cold fusion experiment. I bet that would hit the main papers if done correctly. The experiment is time consuming and expensive though. Anyway politics would not be able to touch such an experiment if you have a couple of them.

          • Omega Z

            AlainCo
            So, Should they succeed in discrediting the Report.
            Industrial Heat needs only builds a single LENR Power Plant. “IN CHINA”
            What shall all the Rich & Powerful Do?
            Sit back & watch ALL their Wealth & by association, Power be sucked into “CHINA”? I Don’t Think So!

            Tho Countries can sometimes work together to contain of suppress products, information, or technology, China is in a very precarious position. Nothing could persuade them to resist making use of this technology.

            So regardless how they make the 3rd party test appear, If the Technology works, It will be built. Even if that requires the China Option. The best they can do is delay it a few years… Money & Power will not allow anyone to shut them out.

          • I agree that when E-cat will be sold it will be accepted as real after a reasonable time (less than one year, to compare with Wright Brothers plane).

            It is simply a pity that you need to sell a product to prove it works, while you have tons of scientific evidence it is based on a real phenomenon, and a fair test results…

            at least rational people should say that there is a not so little chance that E-cat is real and that rational business men should buy an insurance against that revolution…

            as Mats explain, even if you can have DOUBT, it is a reason to LOOK FURTHER, not to CLOSE YOUR EYES!

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        At least you won me over to try arguing and moderate this issue. I hate it when politics get’s into science. And I thinking that we are smoked if we can’t get any new kind of energy source out of the magician’s hat else we will burn all oil and coal that there is in a quite short time, then anything can happen. So I will spend my brainz arguing.

      • curious

        Yours is an interesting observation, that now is the ideal time for the smear campaign -it has time to seep into the public opinion before the authors can make their rebuke.
        At the end, I think if Rossi is the real deal he will succeed because greed is more powerful than politics, and the value of the invention is incalculable. There are other more altruistic reasons, but the bottom line is the bottom line.

        • greed is powerful only for the have not, the young entrepreneurs.
          For people in place the fear is more powerful.

          in fact today some people are selling LENR not as hope, but as a cataclysm to protect your company from, by adaptation/research.

      • Get it together, Alain. This was only a minor skirmish in the hills before Napoleon’s army advances over the ridge line. We’re going to need you for the coming battles.

        This is all about power (mostly in the form of money, but also social — people protecting their turf and positions).

        Assuming a good report, “we” will have the facts on “our” side. And the indefatigable Andrea Rossi and his generals navigating the minefield. We need to employ guerilla tactics, like Minutemen popping out from behind trees to decimate the RedCoats. Put pressure everywhere until the dam bursts and the wall of disbelief crumbles to dust like the Berlin Wall overrun by a joyous new generation demanding freedom. The revolution is upon us. Paul Revere makes his ride soon. Get your damn musket ready.

        The wall is not as sturdy as it looks, suffering from decades of decay.

        • my job is to parachute weapons (Beaudette and few other article).
          Most people don’t read it today, but when question will raise, few will use it.

          A ballot not a bullet. your pencil is a weapon. drop books not bombs.

  • orsobubu

    Sylvie Coyaud, interviewed in the Swedish program, is a relatively
    little-known French-Italian science journalist and could be, in the
    terminology of the media, more properly be called a blogger. In the
    eighties, she led for many years a modest scientific transmission aired
    by Radio Popolare (Popular Radio), an extreme leftist Milan-based
    network, at that time deployed on radically anti-American,
    anti-Atlantiist and pro-Soviet positions. It was the channel choosed by
    armed terroristic formations to disseminate press releases of their
    attacks. It was known police costantly monitored the phone calls coming
    on the radio. I remember very well the transmissions after space shuttle
    Challenger disaster, in which conductors and listeners rushed to
    microphones enjoying for the event.

    With the end of the Cold
    War, the radio positioned on reformist and pro-European side, but the
    connotation of influential alternative media in the italian information
    system still remains. Some
    radical souls once present in the
    conduction, such as trade unionist, student revolutionary, feminist,
    gay, anti-nuclearist ones, etc., have converted into current topics such
    as the defense of immigrants, of the environment, etc, a mix of Ralph
    Nader, Al Gore and Noam Chomsky. Of course I do not intend to make any
    type of connection between Coyaud and these facts but only describe the
    cultural environment of her work, which is common to the background of
    the left-wing journalists in Italy, siding with popular positions and
    socially engaged like, just in case, in the fight against frauds,
    opposed to conservative ones, described as on the payroll of the
    multinationals. Curiously, Coyaud, in her battle against Rossi, end up
    defending the big capital’s interests, but this is a specific trait of
    former Italian left extra-parliamentary intellectuals, now flocked in
    droves to support the various sectors of private and state capitalism.

    Here is a links to a couple of Coyaud’s blogs, the latter already linked by bachcole some time ago:

    http://ocasapiens-dweb.blogautore.repubblica.it/2014/05/25/bollitore-nucleare-a-fusione-fredda-cont/comment-page-1/#comments

    http://oggiscienza.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/una-tantum/

    Here I translate some interesting phrases:
    ————————-
    “Since June, Hydrofusion is still looking for a pilot customer to whom to deliver the E -cat for free”

    “One
    of the licensees for Germany – also representative of an energy
    converter from vacuum – asked back its stake to invest it in a business
    in alternative medicine”

    “If Rossi could get enough energy, he
    could sell it to the grid to make millions dollars, and save millions of
    children and to buy some apartments in Florida. Instead, he had to
    resort to an industrial partner”

    “In the case of cold fusion I
    have noticed that if measurements are done well, the phenomenon will
    disappear or there are small anomalies that can be explained by chemical
    reactions already known”

    “IH is not Cherokee, which stands to
    BlackRock (sic) as Rossi stands to National Instruments: a customer like
    thousands of other companies”.
    “IH is a private fund of 11
    millions in the form of equities, debts and options, absolutely not an
    “industrial partner”. You are free to believe that engineer Fabiani of
    Leonardo is working with IH to “develop” the e- cat in North Carolina,
    while he is indeed dealing with gambling in Getech firm in Piacenza,
    Italy.”

    “Rossi has always posed as a victim, but with all those apartments in Florida I thought it was more difficult”.

    “In
    the U.S. collecting millions for crazy stuff comes out every day, and
    for centuries. Think of Keely and the hundreds of millions spent by the
    DOD to explode hamsters with brainpower”

    “With $ 12m , once
    removed the purchase, perhaps remains a sum to remunerate lawyers and
    patent attorneys for a couple of years. After that, just copy
    BlackLight: make a Board of Directors with former CEOs of Westinghouse
    and some emeritus at MIT and you will get 3 million a year for sure”

    “We are several people working on this issue (the Swedish broadcasted program) for months, and it is all very clear to us”

    “Anonimity
    of mysterious IH lenders and 1 MW plant lenders is protected by the law
    of Delaware. Investment in high-tech adventures are deducted from
    taxable ( tax deferral , it seems to me that it’s called ), and in some
    cases it is a bargain.”

    “Now we have the correspondence with Levi
    of Swedish scientists who signed the 3rd party report, so we know that
    their measurements are incorrect. In the only properly done by
    independent experts the COP remains stable at nearly 1”
    ————————–
    Regarding
    this last sentence, here is another Coyaud’s blog where she reports
    about the mails exchanged among the 3rd party report authors:

    http://oggiscienza.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/kall-fusion-uninvenzione-impossibile-iii/

    translated:

    http://tinyurl.com/n8l9scd

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      > “Now we have the correspondence with Levi
      > of Swedish scientists who signed the 3rd party report, so we know that
      > their measurements are incorrect. In the only properly done by
      > independent experts the COP remains stable at nearly 1”
      > ————————–
      > Regarding
      > this last sentence, here is another Coyaud’s blog where she reports
      > about the mails exchanged among the 3rd party report authors:

      So basically that all relies on to trust Levi or not. Nothing new. Good enough to decide to do a proper test.

      Also the Swedish SR show was using very basic tricks with the scissor and record tape, it is really badly done. The same trick can be accomplished by quoting parts of the email correspondence which I assume is stored on public record and is regarded as public knowledge and reachable for any journalist (We have that system in sweden)

      Cheers!

    • Heath

      Besides how Coyaud is interpreting these scraps of information, I find it interesting the President Obama did know about last year’s test and Industrial Heat likely well before the test. He also did visit the NC Research Triangle last fall and likely IH as many have conjectured before. I can imagine that the US government is VERY aware of this device which may be why everything is being kept under the radar (away from lobbyists, politicians and energy executives). From Coyaud’s blog:

      “We are asked to prepare an” Executive Summary “of our results, which will be presented to the President of the United States Barack Obama. I will take the responsibility to make that kind of letter, circulate it among yourselves so you will be able to suggest any kind of correction, and I think that that letter should be signed by all of us. It should be ready by 29/4. Will not be published and will only contain the main results on which we all agree. We are in the presence of a new energy source and as yet unknown. Attached to that letter, we may also send a draft of the article. If we were able to send him to the arXiv (an online store, ed) by that date would be perfect. ”

      The news that the President will travel to the headquarters of the company that owns the rights to the technology and will discuss with the owners is not surprising. The Swedes do not know that, according to Rossi, President Jimmy Carter had personally phoned to Andrea Rossi’s Petroldragon to inquire about its technology.

      • psi2u2

        Carter, like Rossi, was ahead of his time.

    • Freethinker

      “”We are several people working on this issue (the Swedish broadcasted program) for months, and it is all very clear to us”

      Marcus Hansson is only one little cog in this coordinated attack which in reality could be orchestrated by a large political leftist movement, which nowadays really are going errands for big business? Is that the idea?

      The thought, alone….

  • It seems someone have send a letter to a media authority in sweden about that black campaign

    http://lordnilsson.blogspot.fr/2014/05/min-anmalan-till-granskningsnamnden.html

    Maybe a swedish citizen can comment and explain

    • Freethinker

      🙂

      Well “A Swede” commented in this thread 3 days ago (see below) and gave this link :

      http://www.radioochtv.se/en/

      Basically there are conditions to uphold the license to broadcast, and those conditions include the content. In principle the reporting must be objective, non-partisan and so on. A program can be reported and a board is then reviewing the complaint and can cite the responsible persons.

      But note :

      “Are all the complaints investigated?
      Not all of the complaints lead to an investigation. The Chairman of the Broadcasting Commission decides which complaints will be investigated. Decisions of the Broadcasting Commission may not be appealed. This also applies to decisions stating that a complaint will not lead to an investigation.”

      There is room for complaints to be ignored ….

      But the result is usually merely a slap on the wrist, and some aggressive investigating shows might actually relish in such citing. However, the channel is required to broadcast that they have been cited, and a response to this, and usually a correction.

      Somehow such corrections are broadcast out of band for those who usually listens as they can be aired at some other time than the program. (it is a little bit debated right now how such corrections are to be aired).

    • Lord Nilsson

      Yes. Lord Nilsson, that’s me ! I listened to all three programs about Rossi and his work and then decided to report the program to “the inspection jury” at the authority for swedish radio and tv. Because, as I see it, they violates the requirement of impartiality and state things with lack of evidence. Based on for exemple hearsays about Rossi’s earlier controversy with fairness in Italy. Or… as the responsible for the program, Ulrika Björksten, comment it: (quote)….. “my subconscious told me, that it is a scam” (end of quote)

      • psi2u2

        Thank you, Lord Nilsson!

        What a revealing quotation.

  • In my opinion this ridiculous radio show was a win for team LENR.

    First off the number of people who actually heard it was probably small. Plus it changes nothing: current public perception is that cold fusion died in 1989. Most probably found it very curious that this radio show was talking about it at all.

    Most importantly it resorted to falsehoods, half-truths, cherry picking and character assassination. These are tactics with limited impact and shelf-life: ones we can beat with truth and persistence.

    If June’s 3rd party report is strongly positive and has any big names attached to it, this stupid radio show will be quickly forgotten.

    It’s all down to the report. Frank has the right idea. People in positions of power and in position to spread the truth need to hear our side of the story.

    When the battle is engaged, yes counter the Internet shills, but try to maximize the report’s exposure to commercial, government, military and media organizations and people that can actually affect the E-Cat’s adoption.

    For example we have a great China card to play. Nothing wins an argument and gets an American’s attention like suggesting the Chinese are going to beat us to the punch. Let’s use it.

    Tell businessmen how much money they can save. Tell politicians how they can be heroes. Tell soldiers about the amazing advantages unlimited decentralized power will provide. Tell the media they are sitting on the story of the century… maybe of all time.

    • you make a point that raising awareness on the question, even with bas answer is good…

      about

      “Nothing wins an argument and gets an American’s attention like suggesting the Chinese are going to beat us to the punch.”

      it remind me something, not even with chinese… Enemy in business is a good motive, better than greed in fact.

      just say Pepsi that Coca is buying LENR lab, and pepsi will put a million in R&D.

    • builditnow

      Crimes against all humanity and crimes against all of nature globally?

      Do efforts to suppress LENR / Cold Fusion rise to the level crimes against “all humanity” and “all of nature” … yet?

      Are those deliberately trying to suppress LENR considering the prospect of standing trial in the International Court in The Hague for the massive damage they caused?

      • Can’t call it a crime if no laws are broken.

        Just the stupid way us humans go about our business more often than not.

        People that believe LENR to be real and are intentionally suppressing it (if there are any) can have their own circle in hell as far as I’m concerned. One with snakes and vicious clowns.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    Mats Lewan have written a reply to the swedish radio show.

    http://matslew.wordpress.com/

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    Mats Lewan have written a reply to the swedish radio show.

    http://matslew.wordpress.com/

  • Bernie777

    Yes! Go get’m Mats! Finally a scientific media person with guts.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Yes! Go get’m Mats! Finally a scientific media person with guts.

  • Elforsk answers to the attack.
    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/372-ELFORSK-answers-to-Sveriges-Radio-attack-against-their-work-on-LENR-and-E-cat/

    they are not definitively sure of E-cat, but they say their mission is to investigate and prepare their industry.

    • psi2u2

      Most excellent. Thanks for the update, AlainCo.

  • Mats Hilmersson

    Sylvie Coyaud has written some based on the same emails between Hannu Essen and others that was used as input to the Radio show. I think there are some new information here but google translate makes a lousy job on these. Can any Italian speaking please check if there is anything of interest in these articles?
    http://oggiscienza.wordpress.com/2014/05/27/kall-fusion-uninvenzione-impossibile/
    http://oggiscienza.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/kall-fusion-uninvenzione-impossibile-ii/
    http://oggiscienza.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/kall-fusion-uninvenzione-impossibile-iii/

    • Apart from what looks like tons of lengthy ramblings (in google translate, in italian it might be a poem… who knows) she drops the city of Lugano, Switzerland as the location of the coming third party test. That’s new.

  • Siferkoll makes a violent interpretation of that story

    “An Enemy of LENR and Clean Energy – the Misguided Environmentalist…”

    http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/?p=314

    My interpretation in that article

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/376-Opinion-on-Swedish-Radio-An-Enemy-of-LENR-and-Clean-Energy-%E2%80%93-the-Misguided-Envir/#post736

    is that whatever is the reality of that case, we should be ready for “misguided” activists… in the same vein of “misguided physicist”

  • Siferkoll makes a violent interpretation of that story

    “An Enemy of LENR and Clean Energy – the Misguided Environmentalist…”

    http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/?p=314

    My interpretation in that article

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/376-Opinion-on-Swedish-Radio-An-Enemy-of-LENR-and-Clean-Energy-%E2%80%93-the-Misguided-Envir/#post736

    is that whatever is the reality of that case, we should be ready for “misguided” activists… in the same vein of “misguided physicist”

  • GreenWin

    Sifferkoll has made an excellent observation. Misguided environmentalists oppose LENR because it solves their biggest issues. They should be happy. They should rejoice. Instead they grumble, avoid, deny, impede environmental progress. Why?? As Sifferkoll notes, because they will lose prestige, power, and…. $$$$$.

    This is tantamount to a doctor withholding a cure. He does so fearing he will no longer be needed. He clings to the attention and prestige his ego demands. Human beings must transcend this frailty. Such transcendence should be the domain of academia. Higher education should not attempt to give students careers. Higher education should provide knowledge and tools to put an end to careers.

    We see this in action today. LENR will put an end to much of the fossil/fission extraction industry. Old energy careers will end. But for the well educated, new, more creative careers will begin. This should be the goal of educators. Equip students to think creatively. And to be joyful in doing so. 🙂 2 cents.