Blacklight Power Explosively Detonating H2O (Video)

This post (edited) was submitted by JD Sweeney.

The following video takes a bit of explanation to understand why it’s significant.

What’s shown, according to Blacklight Power’s CEO Randell Mills, is the SF-CIHT fuel going through the detonation process for a *second* time, after undergoing nothing but re-hydration. Thus, Mills is showing that the active element in his energetic process is water. We are left with the impression that Mills has found a way to explosively detonate H2O.

Haters still gotta hate, but if Rossi’s camp is providing blow-by-blow video coverage of their development process I must have missed it.

BLP’s description of the video from YouTube is as follows:

A very small quantity of highly conductive H2O-based solid fuel powder was loaded in to a hopper and gravity fed into the auger overhead of the rollers that were electrified with about 5V, 15,000A. The high current flow ignited the gravity fed fuel to produce 0.5 ms pulses of brilliant light having power and power densities of one million watts and 100 billion watts per liter, respectively. White light shows that the plasma is the same temperature as the Sun. The optical power can be converted to electricity using commercially available solar cells. See other posted electricity producing demonstration videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vh88aVr6i8&feature=youtu.be

  • bachcole

    It does not impress me in the slightest. I get no indication that anything important is happening.

    • mcloki

      Exactly. Ewww Sparks. Big deal.

      • optiongeek

        But sparks only when the fuel is hydrated. Sparks without any smoke or other evidence of burnt carbon. Sparks that have the exact EM spectrum as sunlight.

        • Otto1923

          You are describing what I see flying off a tool grinder.

          • optiongeek

            it would, if the grinder’s spark shower depended on the presence of water.

          • Ophelia Rump

            No but there is a direct correlation to the presence of whiskey for mine!

        • Current flow heats hydroxide, hydroxide decomposes releasing steam, more current flows through conductive steam, steam turns to plasma, even more current flows through an arc – lots of light. Probably some of the ‘carrier’ is also consumed in the plasma arc. None of this would happen with a ‘dry’ (non decomposing) substrate.

          • optiongeek

            Perhaps – and I thank you for your always thoughtful responses. However, would “conductive steam” really provide a more conductive path than the powdered metal (Cu & CuO, or whatever metal he is using) in the fuel? Not sure how steam, regardless of how hot it got, could carry charge with less resistance than powdered metal already in contact with both electrodes. But I grant you it is a consideration.

          • Obviously a lot of guesswork involved, but from the info available the ‘fuel’ is probably a metal hydroxide, not a metal as such (a number of metal oxides form the hydroxide on exposure to water or steam). Powdered metal hydroxide (most probably zinc hydroxide in this case, for reasons mentioned elsewhere) would conduct power enough to heat up and partially decompose to the oxide plus water, almost instantly.

            The steam and water vapour released would greatly increase the conductivity of the mass, possibly enough to initiate an arc which would cascade the process and result in the explosions seen. I’m afraid I don’t see anything unusual or unexpected here, but perhaps if some actual power measurements were made, and ‘fuel’ in/out was examined carefully, then evidence supporting Mills’ claims might emerge.

          • optiongeek

            Have you seen any of the multiple independent studies verifying overunity for the process? Folks with some impressive credentials have looked at that as well as the ‘smoking gun’ EUV emissions that could only come from hydrino transitions. There’s quite a bit of material available.

          • No, I haven’t seen these independent studies, only Mills’ papers relating to EUV emissions from pinch discharges in H2 and a couple of validation studies on anomalous chemical reactions that Mills believes support his hydrino theory. Have I missed something important?

          • optiongeek

            http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/validation-reports/ contains more reports than I can describe. I’ve read them in some detail and they all appear to be written by real people with real credentials (verified, in some cases through a personal LinkedIn connection, in others via googling). There’s enough confirmation material here, IMHO, to convince any but the most ardent skeptic that novel physics of some type is involved. Yes, these are very “paid” reports. However I find the argument that real experts with real reputations have somehow been turned into shills as pretty weak tea. Make of it what you will.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I thought it was very impressive, I bet kids would love that mounted to their bicycle wheels.

  • RKTTect

    ‘ H2O-based solid fuel powder ‘ HMMM? Could be most anything. I’m guessing they don’t mean ice. IN any case, is BlackLight claiming they are breaking Hess’s Law?

    Hess’s Law. It states that ΔH for a reaction is the same whether it occurs in one step or in a series of steps. Another way to look at it is to remember that ΔH is a state property, so it must be independent of the path of a reaction.

    • optiongeek

      no, he claims he’s breaking Schroedinger & Heisenberg. Short version: large current, low voltage through H2O will turn the hydrogen into dark matter and release vast quantities of energy.

    • Most probably a metal oxide that converts to the hydroxide on contact with water but rapidly decomposes and releases the water when heated. There are many light metal candidates to choose from, but I seem to recall that on some occasion Mills specified a transition metal, so zinc is probably favourite (right chemistry, relatively non-toxic, inexpensive, white light emission spectrum).

  • Gerard McEk

    One million watt during 0.5 ms is 500 J per flash, which is not spectacular. A rechargeable AA battery I use has a energy contents of 13230 joules. I wonder how Mills determines the produced energy of his ‘water fuel’. It looks like a spot welder and not more powerful than that. The sparks seem burning iron. Not impressive nor convincing at all, unless you are a non-technical investor.

    • Omega Z

      It is a seam welder.

  • His original idea of turning plasma into electricity was at least credible. To me the idea of using solar cells to produce large quantities of electricity is not credible. Solar cells are not designed to produce that kind of high density electricity. They are ultra low energy density devices because solar energy is so weak and diffuse. If the mini explosions really produced that much light and energy, the machine would melt and the video camera would be blinded as would the close-up audience. I just do not see much energy there. In the system he describes I doubt you would even break even between energy input and energy output.

    • Rob Lewis

      Well, there is a thing called Concentrated Photovoltaic, in which lenses are used to focus the sunlight on small, high-efficiency solar cells. The hardware costs more than flat-panel PV, but if you can keep them from melting the output can be impressive.

      • If Mills’ claims for his system are even partly true, he would need a ‘Diluted Photovoltaic’, in which lenses or Fresnel optics are used to spread the concentrated light onto large, high-efficiency solar cells placed a little distance away.

        Regarding his demo, as someone who uses an electric arc welder quite a lot on various car and boat projects, I remain to be convinced. Anyone who has welded wet steel will be familiar with the brilliant arcs that small amounts of water can cause, as it explosively flashes to plasma and the arc momentarily draws massive current.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Makes me feel neither warm nor cold.

    I really don’t know if the guy has something, but his demo’s really suck. You cannot really expect anyone to believe all that he claims based on those demo’s.

  • Steve Savage

    Yes.. Poor demo … Wonder why Dr. Mills bothers to show us anything … (After all mushrooms should be left in the dark)… Surely just a Scientific CURIOSITY? … 20 years in a well funded lab with a great deal of real scientific evidence backing his theory and results with only a few sparks to show for it . Must be a hoax? Perhaps a bunch of scoundrels after our money or too much drinking his own cool-aid .. Move on Nothing to see here… Lest ye be accused of the same as often we see here on these boards… Ignoring, misunderstanding, misrepresenting and poo pooing the evidence.

  • Foks0904 .

    I’m in a constant state of confusion over BLP. I want to believe, but they make it difficult. I know there is fair evidence of them being screwed over during a patent application sometime back…but I can’t chalk up their seeming lack of progress to suppression or some such thing. Is it possible that they are distributing their products privately to customers who don’t want to be publicized and are not in the business of selling consumer goods? Shrug.

  • Foks0904 .

    I’m in a constant state of confusion over BLP. I want to believe, but they make it difficult. I know there is fair evidence of them being screwed over during a patent application sometime back…but I can’t chalk up their seeming lack of progress to suppression or some such thing. Is it possible that they are distributing their products privately to customers who don’t want to be publicized and are not in the business of selling consumer goods? Shrug.

  • Otto1923

    You are describing what I see flying off a tool grinder.

  • jousterusa

    While I see the source of light to power an electric current via photovoltaic cells, where’s the output? What’s it doing? Notwithstanding the fact that no one wants 1 billion watts under their hood, we need to see an engine that runs via this process. I’m sure Mills is capable of creating one, and it’s a mystery to me that he hasn’t done so yet – or hasn’t told us he’s done so.

  • jousterusa

    While I see the source of light to power an electric current via photovoltaic cells, where’s the output? What’s it doing? Notwithstanding the fact that no one wants 1 billion watts under their hood, we need to see an engine that runs via this process. I’m sure Mills is capable of creating one, and it’s a mystery to me that he hasn’t done so yet – or hasn’t told us he’s done so.

  • Curbina

    I’d be much more impressed by a clearly done report with the measured inputs, outputs, the methodology of measurements, the details on the equipment used, etc, that would clearly show to me the excess energy. Videos don’t provide any kind of proof, but data does.

  • Ophelia Rump

    “highly conductive H2O-based solid fuel powder”

    Is it cheaper than gunpowder to produce?

  • Ophelia Rump

    “highly conductive H2O-based solid fuel powder”

    Is it cheaper than gunpowder to produce?

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Dr Randell L. Mills graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa. He is a Harvard educated Medical Doctor with some impressive patents unrelated to energy. One is for a brain scanner that is helpful in epilepsy patients.

    A Harvard Educated Medical Doctor has zero need for fraud to be a multimillionaire, and could easily command a salary over $400k.

    It is possible he is wrong, but his forward motion follows a unique path coupled with experimental verifications along the way. His new device is quite different from the ones he was dealing with 5 years ago. I think this is important. IF – IF this were a scam scenario then he would likely be peddling the same fish oil that had investors in years gone by.

    The fact that he is making progress and his devices are taking new forms are an elegant salute to The Scientific Method. Imagine Andrea Rossi was a fraud; would it make sense that he has now conquered stability issues when a stability demonstration a few years ago would have netted him $15 Million from Defkalion? I suppose I am saying the devices seem to be following progressions logically.

    Now… and here is why I think BLP is worth getting excited about. BLP (basically Doctor Mills) seems to believe a small unit can power 10 000 homes. This is not the opinion of a dingbat. Furthermore BLP has already applied for worldwide patents for this device.

    I know everyone here is hoping for a nice verification from Rossi, but an approved patent to BLP might start a S-Storm. He would have ZERO need for approval or verification or scientific Journals. He would simply own the rights to his box, and then we can fly around in ionic wind flying cars (helicopter types have too many moving parts).

    http://mysite.verizon.net/~userwho/aquarian/millsbio.html
    (read link) and then go to BLP and read over their long list of impressive verifications from a number of reputable organizations.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuzlyu4czYs

    Here they are in 2008 on CNN where they say the Energy will likely be ready in 5 years. Well 5+ years has now passed… Now they say they are onto something new and improved.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymlc8nk7Mdk

    I will say that I dislike Dr. Mills take on LENR and Rossi however, especially as I think the devices must share some operating physics. Could Hydrino’s (if real) be used to explain LENR?

    I do not care who brings us cheap abundant clean energy. I just want to “sail” (cough) the seven seas in a custom 200′ boat.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I have no doubt that Mills is a brilliant thinker. But his talent as a scientist and these demo videos do absolutely not fit together. It’s an enigma to me. The demos are at best to evaluate “sine laude”, so far. Sorry.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Your contention then is that this Harvard educated Medical Doctor whom you suggest “I have no doubt that Mills is a brilliant thinker” has embarked upon a foolish 25 year (thus far) quest without ANY experimental validation.

        His validations are public and fairly impressive (see his website). The main reason we are tired of him is because it is always tomorrow with him and he has altered his approach numerous times.

        What is interesting is that BLP is excited about these Demo’s despite our opinions. It appears Mill’s is genuinely excited about what he has achieved.
        This is truly what I am excited about. It is a little contagious.

        Even though he has tried various formats, they must be satisfied with a one foot square box able to power a small city.

        They have further applied for worldwide patents.

        This Demo is a logical progression from Jan 28, and it will be exciting to see what they are doing by the time the patent is approved..

        • Andreas Moraitis

          I did not talk about Mills’ experimental studies, friendlyprogrammer. Maybe they support his theory to a certain extent. The problem is that these video clips are so meaningless. BLP would be better advised to go without them, IMO.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            I was very happy to see this video. There has been a lot of discussion on whether the components can handle the energy generated, and some suggest the energy destroys electrodes or worse.

            This video shows the prototype is progressing and can handle more than a single burst.

            I see no reason for Dr Mills to keep these private. I am sure his patent claims are secure even if it were to be rejected, but Mills is very familiar with patent procedures and should stand a decent chance.

    • Omega Z

      “ionic wind flying cars”
      Only I would appreciate it if unhackable computer controlled.
      People have trouble enough observing 360 horizontal transportation. Let alone 360×360. Shoot, They can’t even walk & text without stumbling into water fountains. 🙂

      I Agree this may just be another form of LENR.

    • bachcole

      The Wright Bros. didn’t even go to college, and yet they invented several engineering specialties plus aviation itself. So your recitation of Mills’ academic degrees doesn’t do much for me. Plus, a medical degrees tells me that he is a very shallow thinker; I have contempt for mainstream medicine with it’s reductionist science and it bending over for the pharmaceutical companies and it’s constant attack on anyone who is trying to build health by thinking outside of the their druggie paradigm.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        100 years ago your life expectancy average was 52 yeas of age. So despite your contempt for an industry that has kept many of your loved ones alive (boo hoo), there is some intelligence ongoing.

        You describe Mills as a “shallow thinker” for earning a degree in Chemistry and then attending Harvard University for a medical degree. University is less than preached teaching and more about learning to find your own answers through research. I also suppose taking Electrical Engineering at MIT you will also hold against him.

        Yet this “shallow thinker” (your words) is currently saving lives because he invented The Mossbauer cancer therapy.

        Review this patent. Perhaps it equals some of your own patents.
        http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4815448.html

        This allows Cancer Patients to fight their disease with 1/1000000 less radiation than before.

        Not bad for a “shallow thinker” (your words).

        Maybe it was his invention of Magnetic Susceptibility Imaging (MSI) scanner that is very helpful in the treatment and study of epilepsy that has you pegging him as a “shallow thinker”. I am sure your own patents are much more impressive and save more lives.

        Here is his patent for that.

        http://www.patents.com/us-5073858.html

        Apparently “shallow thinker” types earn many awards. Dr Mills has earned Summa Cum Laude, B.A. Franklin and Marshall College. Black Pyramid Honor Society, Phi Beta Kappa, Willig Pentathlon Prize in Chemistry, Michael A. Lewis Memorial Prize in Physics, Isaac E. Roberts Biology Award, Rawnsley Science Award, Morgan D. Person Prize in Chemistry, Fredrick C. Schiffman Award in Chemistry, Theodore Alexander Saulnier Award in Chemistry.

        By your definition of “shallow thinkers” I wish we had thousands more.

        Oh. Did I forget to mention he has discovered a power source that can power a small city (10 000 homes) from a box that could fit in your refrigerator?

  • Brokeeper

    What he has proved yet again is experimental inventor/engineers trump physicists/theorists
    converting concept into firm products.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I have no doubt that Mills is a brilliant thinker. But his talent as a scientist and these demo videos do absolutely not fit together. It’s an enigma to me. The demos are at best to evaluate “sine laude”, so far. Sorry.

  • Omega Z

    Mills Originally worked with a device ‘Much” like the H-Cat, Except prettier. 🙂 Always it was a matter of more research to scale up the output. If I Recall, It had a high COP. But Ultimately, His progress was miniscule. Possibly he should have bought some Spice from Rossi?

    Now he comes up with this device.
    I will withhold my judgement on this for the time being. There is not enough information to really make a judgement either way.

    That Said- As someone posted, It appears he has found a way to explode water. I agree it appears a micro drop of water arcs between electrodes. However he uses a catalyst. Molybdenum I think?? After ignited can be reused.(Re-hydrated)

    Roll the Video. Hmmm, Tells me nothing. I can make a similar demo in the shop. If ever a Device needed Independent 3rd party measurement results. This is it. If this should happen, then I’ll begin to judge whether it’s Real or Not. Reliable data measurements mean everything.

    If this technology is real,
    It appears to be problematic engineering wise. A continuous precisely timed feed would be challenging tho Not Impossible.
    Energy harvesting with PV may also be a problem. Tho if the COP is high enough, Even low efficiency PV’s would work.
    So, I will wait for Independent Verification as to the Data. If Mills wants my Support, He needs to enable duplication just as Rossi is doing. I Don’t care if it’s black box. Just Independently done. I don’t even care if there acquaintances as long as there reputable people who have name/credentials at risk.

    To My Fellow ECW’ers. If you don’t believe in Mills Device, That’s fine. But Be Careful how you present your views. Else you may start sounding like those who oppose Rossi. Try & be reasonably fair with your posts.

    NOTE: I’ve read elsewhere that Molybdenum may also be a candidate catalyst for LENR. My primary reason for staying neutral at this time.

  • Omega Z

    Mills Originally worked with a device ‘Much” like the H-Cat, Except prettier. 🙂 Always it was a matter of more research to scale up the output. If I Recall, It had a high COP. But Ultimately, His progress was miniscule. Possibly he should have bought some Spice from Rossi?

    Now he comes up with this device.
    I will withhold my judgement on this for the time being. There is not enough information to really make a judgement either way.

    That Said- As someone posted, It appears he has found a way to explode water. I agree it appears a micro drop of water arcs between electrodes. However he uses a catalyst. Molybdenum I think?? After ignited can be reused.(Re-hydrated)

    Roll the Video. Hmmm, Tells me nothing. I can make a similar demo in the shop. If ever a Device needed Independent 3rd party measurement results. This is it. If this should happen, then I’ll begin to judge whether it’s Real or Not. Reliable data measurements mean everything.

    If this technology is real,
    It appears to be problematic engineering wise. A continuous precisely timed feed would be challenging tho Not Impossible.
    Energy harvesting with PV may also be a problem. Tho if the COP is high enough, Even low efficiency PV’s would work.
    So, I will wait for Independent Verification as to the Data. If Mills wants my Support, He needs to enable duplication just as Rossi is doing. I Don’t care if it’s black box. Just Independently done. I don’t even care if there acquaintances as long as there reputable people who have name/credentials at risk.

    To My Fellow ECW’ers. If you don’t believe in Mills Device, That’s fine. But Be Careful how you present your views. Else you may start sounding like those who oppose Rossi. Try & be reasonably fair with your posts.

    NOTE: I’ve read elsewhere that Molybdenum may also be a candidate catalyst for LENR. My primary reason for staying neutral at this time.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Reserving judgement is prudent, but as you have said his technology is progressing (“Now he comes up with this device.”).

      One thing Mill’s has always done is back up his ideas through experiments. Third Party Testing has always been a part of his protocol, and the main problem many of us have with his verifications are that they are Sooooooo impressive we wonder why he never marketed a device years ago. It is like the frustration we would feel if Rossi is still only blogging after 10 more years.

      Read some verifications here…

      http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/validation-reports/

      There are a few credentials behind him already.

      I agree the Engineering of such a device is problematic because this kind of constant power can destroy the internal workings, but I do not doubt he has managed to get it repeating as much as we see in the above video. I am sure if he could do it longer he would have. Nevertheless it is progress since Jan 28.

      Your advice in your post was sound and fair, but I thought I would add that he does get Third Party involvement, and any demo we see is simply out of kindness.

      His approach is much different than Andrea Rossi. Andrea Rossi seems to have stepped away from the normal invention process where you patent your idea and then produce it. Dr. Mills is obviously very excited about this development and the fact that he is posting videos and has even answered a question by creating a youtube account for above video shows me that he is less concerned about his patent than he is about proving he has something awesome.

      Once the Worldwide patent has been approved then we might see a revolution like the telephone hit us. Bell never published peer reviews or gave huge public demos before the Telephone patent was approved.

  • jonnyb

    15,000 amps at 5V equals a big bright spark anyway without anything else happening. If it was as bright as they are saying would it not burn out the camera? I hope they have what they say but I am not convinced.

    • Omega Z

      jonnyb
      I agree, the video does not impress. A brain exercise.

      I blow up a large building with a truckload of Dynamite. Interesting.
      I blow up a large building with something the size of a grain of Rice. Now Your Impressed.

      We have no way to compare what we are seeing. Is this the grain of Rice or a truckload on Dynamite.

    • Freethinker

      Being a bit of a fence-sitter on this my self, I too am not very impressed by the video.

      And I don’t like their analogy to describe the plasma. Statements like “like the Sun”, what does it mean really, is it the photosphere, like we perceive it with our eyes, or is he meaning something else? The Sun has an efficient temperature of about 5,800 K, and is Yellow in color. White stars (eg A1 main sequence stars like Sirius A) have and effective temperature of about 10,000 K. Also. So how hot is the plasma really?

      Yes, yes. I know. I am splitting hairs on what is just a matter words aimed at giving a general description.

      Play the video frame by frame and it may look a bit more impressive, though.

  • fiddledeedee

    Mills theory is extensive and achieves things no other current theories do, such as providing formulas for some fundamental constants and achieving faster better computation of some energy levels of atoms and molecules.
    He also predicted the accelerating expansion of the universe before it was discovered…

    On the other hand, his experiments currently have the drawback that they only show excess energy when you assume that just a small proportion of the input (5%) is needed to initiate
    ignition. In other words, they pump in 1000 watts, get out 150 watts, but claim that only 50 watts
    of the 1000 were needed for ignition. may be true or may not be….

  • GreenWin

    Is it a metaphor?

  • GreenWin

    Is it a metaphor?

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I did not talk about Mills’ experimental studies, friendlyprogrammer. Maybe they support his theory to a certain extent. The problem is that these video clips are so meaningless. BLP would be better advised to go without them, IMO.

  • optiongeek

    I think most commenters are missing the key point – the energetic sparks only occur when. . .the. . .fuel. . .is. . .hydrated. It’s water that’s producing the sparks. Spent fuel doesn’t react until it’s re-hydrated. Say what you will about grinders, seam welders, etc., but first describe a scenario in which water is the active element.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Water is split by the applied electricity and/or the high temperatures into hydrogen and oxygen. Outside the electric arc, hydrogen and oxygen recombine explosively to water. That would be a simple explanation.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        This reminds me of an experiment that I made when I was a kid. I took two wires which were connected to the mains (Dear kids, do NOT imitate that – it’s very dangerous!) and touched with them the surface of an aqueous solution. As I had expected, electrolysis started, and since I used an AC source, at each electrode both hydrogen and oxygen were produced. The gas mixtures ignited immediately, so that I got impressive sparks on the tops of both electrodes. (My parents did not know what I was doing. Unfortunately, this pleasant situation changed when I – in the course of another experiment – had burnt a big hole into my sofa…)

      • optiongeek

        But not at 6V I think. I could be wrong but my recollection is that you need about 4kV for the reaction you are describing.

  • Private Citizen

    ECN-level rampant skepticism (perhaps politer) about Mills is fine, but equal skepticism about Rossi gets folks banned around here. Just pointing that out.

    Of course, when faced with a contradiction, introduce a distinction. Someone will find one 🙂

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I think that the criticism here concerns the presentation of the videos, not Randell Mills as a scientist or as a person. For my part, I find Mills’ theory intriguing. I would really be pleased if it would turn out to be true. But BLP should provide at least some data when they release these clips. For instance, statements about the brightness of the sparks could be backed by measurements of the spectrum, and so on. You can hardly evaluate the relevant parameters on the basis of a video clip, if you know what I mean.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Number One issue that I have seen regarding the BLP device is that one explosion destroys the insides. This video might be simply to refute that rumor. Just a maybe.

    • Wayne M.

      Private Citizen,

      I have criticized Rossi and my comments were published. The ‘trick’ is to stay away from character assassination. Which is good advice anywhere.

      Regardless, you won’t be hearing much about Dr’s Rossi and Mills in the same articles in the near (hopefully) future. It will be one or the other. Once one of them creates a devise that works as advertised, they will be first in everyone’s mind. First place will get all the gold. Investors will rush in and competitors of the first device will be everywhere.

      There is not going to be a second place winner. No one wants to throw money, time, personnel, etc at the second guy’s device that is still “just” over the horizon. A bird in the hand…

      My bet is on Dr. Rossi. Time will tell.

    • bachcole

      I pounded “Rossi says” as hot air for months in this forum. Mills gets pounded by me because he called us a cult but his demos would embarrass a middle school teacher. I don’t pound Rossi because he made his case with Levi et. al. 2013. I will stop pounding Mills when his demos stop being a joke. The bias around here is based upon evidence and the arrogance of the people making claims.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        The Demo you view as a joke might have more impact to someone who learned Electrical Engineering at MIT and who finished in top 10% of his class earning his Chemistry degree. Maybe it would appeal more to someone who has authored eight books, participated in over 50
        presentations at professional meetings, and authored and co-authored
        over 100 peer reviewed papers (mills).

        I am sure there are still people who cannot understand The Radio a hundred years later. Same thing.

        • bachcole

          Oh, wow, only people with lots of degrees, like Orville and Wilbur Wright, can possibly see a good demo when they look at it.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            You’ve said that twice now, but Wilbur was trying for Yale. They came from a rich family. Their father bought them a Helicopter in their youth. They moved a lot, but I’m sure they home schooled then a lot better than today.

            People do not need any degrees to make sense of this, but you cannot decide until you understand the process fully. Doctor Mills seems to be excited about this and worldwide patents have been applied for. He is dotting i’s.

      • kdk

        The thing is, Mills’ work is probably more related to alien tech than Rossi’s. It may indeed be ‘better’, but somehow I doubt it would have come out more quickly w/o Rossi to pressure them forward… so, Rossi ftw. If you want my other guess, it’s that there is, or was, tension between the U.S. Navy and Air Force over the alien issue. That guy who claimed to be inspired by aliens, Tesla, might have something to do with Mills’ work too. IMO, Mills’ work is no joke, and may already be in use in other forms.

  • Julian Becker

    http://www.cec.com.cn/Company-Info/Management/Executive-Team/lxc/important/15220.aspx

    Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Tom Darden also visited this gentlemen Mr Rui.

    He is the Chairman of the China Electronics Corporation a state-owned conglomerate under direct leadership of the central government and China’s biggest IT company.

    Direct link to the party and the central government. Seems pretty important person to talk to if you want to do big things in China….

    • Julian Becker

      I realized the article is a bit old….Jan 2012…

      But how about this one. One of the people mentioned in the Icebank article is Dr. Zhao Gang. Could it be him? http://cisac.stanford.edu/people/Gang_Zhao/

      • Omega Z

        Can’t tell what year, just January, However Google translate seems to indicate something to do with electronic transfer funds. So this may be about the difficulties in transfer money internationally.

        Note if it is 2012, The would be pre Rossi/E-cat/IH

  • Fortyniner

    current flow heats hydroxide, hydroxide decomposes releasing steam, more current flows through conductive steam, steam turns to plasma, even more current flows through an arc – lots of light. Probably some of the ‘carrier’ is also consumed in the plasma arc. None of this would happen with a ‘dry’ (non decomposing) substrate.

    • optiongeek

      Perhaps – and I thank you for your always thoughtful responses. However, would “conductive steam” really provide a more conductive path than the powdered metal (Cu & CuO, or whatever metal he is using) in the fuel? Not sure how steam, regardless of how hot it got, could carry charge with less resistance than powdered metal already in contact with both electrodes. But I grant you it is a consideration.

      • Fortyniner

        Obviously a lot of guesswork involved, but from the info available the ‘fuel’ is a hydroxide (a number of metal oxides form the hydroxide on exposure to water or steam). Powdered metal hydroxide (most probably zinc hydroxide in this case, for reasons mentioned elsewhere) would conduct power enough to heat up and partially decompose almost instantly. The steam and water vapour released would greatly increase the conductivity of the mixture, possibly enough to initiate an arc which would cascade the process.

        • optiongeek

          Have you seen any of the multiple independent studies verifying overunity for the process? Folks with some impressive credentials have looked at that as well as the ‘smoking gun’ EUV emissions that could only come from hydrino transitions. There’s quite a bit of material available.

          • Fortyniner

            No, I haven’t seen these independent studies, only Mills’ papers relating to EUV emissions from pinch discharges in H2 and a couple of validation studies on anomalous chemical reactions that Mills believes support his hydrino theory.

            Do you have any links handy, please?

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            It is wise to wait for better confirmation of the reality of Mills work with hydrinos, don’t put to much effort on it. My problem with hydrinos are that by know we should have clear evidences they exist and the cheer fact that it is taking so long is a warning signal. It is also strange that Mills claims that cold fusion is nonphysical, an indication that he might wrong is the following argument. My take on cold fusion is this. Hydrinos is a mathematical solution you typically find in equations containing the wave operator such as Mill’s theory and QED. QED is a very accurate description of the hydrogen and we see clear problems with those hydrino solutions like having an infinite probability weight. On the other hand if you disturb systems in a n-particle interaction it is not unlikely that these states becomes real, at least temporarily and the electron get’s really close to the proton and forms something that behaves very much like a neutron, also there is quite a lot of energy let lose and this combined may force the nuclei to tunnel each other and fuse in a fusion reaction. This is a hypothesis. Can we throw it down from the pedestal?

            But we have not seen it before in experiments

            – Well it is only under rare conditions it can happen, it may be under the radar most of the time

            But we have not found any theoretical evidences?

            – Mills is ignored, and normal physics needs QED, and it is unclear if QED is working in a n body setup according to Mills, who’s theory is also incomplete e.g. it’s a sort of steady state mathematics.

            – QED is bloody difficult to simulate and is typically never used. Shrödinger is a joke when you need relativistic quantum mechanics and is a good tool when you have allready tune it and are in areas where you know that your approximations are ok.

            All physicists tell me that this can’t work,

            – When it comes to knowledge that changes the fundamentals of science you will be by your own and work against the mass, it ha always been like that. Just make sure that researchers have an option to follow their hunch and you will find gold for your society. The current state is awful with a majority vote mechanism. A young Keppler of today would fail misserably and his ideas would be buried for a very long time or kept alive within secret sects on the intertube, laughed at by people in general and in those in charge of the tools of science. Mills is correct in a good part of his theory, it produces very accurate, more accurate than normal physics can accomplish, with well described mathematics using laughingly few assumptions. It mostly works, it is correct mathematics, it is better than what we can produce by QM, but his theory has not gotten into mainstream in >20 years, thats more years then it took Kepler to get his ideas out into the mainstream researches, that speaks tons about how awful the science works today, there is no freedom, just a tv show that broadcast that it is so.

            A popular view is that all cold fusion ideas are flawed and demands mysterical concentrations of energy.

            – The proposed mechansim is an intelligent speculation, but does not have this flaw.

          • Hope4dbest

            The “highly conductive H2O-based solid fuel powder”, could that be freeze-dried H2O?

  • Dan Woodward

    So where is the electricity?

    • optiongeek

      See blacklightpower.com for additional videos showing the photovoltaic conversion process. Also, Mills recently announced on a discussion board that multiple engineering projects are underway with several 3rd party firms to deliver prototype units at various output levels.

  • Dan Woodward

    So where is the electricity?

    • optiongeek

      See blacklightpower.com for additional videos showing the photovoltaic conversion process. Also, Mills recently announced on a discussion board that multiple engineering projects are underway with several 3rd party firms to deliver prototype units at various output levels.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Water is split by the applied electricity and/or the high temperatures into hydrogen and oxygen. Outside the electric arc, hydrogen and oxygen recombine explosively to water. That would be a simple explanation.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      This reminds me of an experiment that I made when I was a kid. I took two wires which were connected to the mains (Dear kids, do NOT imitate that – it’s very dangerous!) and touched with them the surface of an aqueous solution. As I had expected, electrolysis started, and since I used an AC source, at each electrode both hydrogen and oxygen were produced. The gas mixtures ignited immediately, so that I got impressive sparks on the tops of both electrodes. (My parents did not know what I was doing. Unfortunately, this pleasant situation changed when I – in the course of another experiment – had burnt a big hole into my sofa…)

  • optiongeek

    Some commenters have asked for quantitative performance data. Dr. Mills has promised that a detailed paper is in the works. However, he recently commented that the ignition energy for the powdered fuel is about 500J, or about 1% of the reaction output, or COP ~= 100. He contrasted this with the ignition requirements of the fuel pans (i.e. non-powdered fuel) from earlier demos. These required destructive melting of the pan to obtain ignition and were therefore much less efficient – about 50% of the output. It seems the focus of the engineering is on reclamation and regeneration of the powdered fuel after ignition. This mostly involves “scraping” the powder off the wall of the reaction chamber, augering it to a steam vaporization chamber for rehydration, and feeding the recharged fuel back into the gears for another reaction.

  • optiongeek

    Some commenters have asked for quantitative performance data. Dr. Mills has promised that a detailed paper is in the works. However, he recently commented that the ignition energy for the powdered fuel is about 500J, or about 1% of the reaction output, or COP ~= 100. He contrasted this with the ignition requirements of the fuel pans (i.e. non-powdered fuel) from earlier demos. These required destructive melting of the pan to obtain ignition and were therefore much less efficient – about 50% of the output. It seems the focus of the engineering is on reclamation and regeneration of the powdered fuel after ignition. This mostly involves “scraping” the powder off the wall of the reaction chamber, augering it to a steam vaporization chamber for rehydration, and feeding the recharged fuel back into the gears for another reaction.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Thanks for posting that.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    I will root equally for everyone trying to bring clean, cheap energy to the planet. Whoever has the best invention will be remembered as one of Histories greatest people with a bunch of schools named after them. I will not badmouth them simply for dedicating their lives to the possibility. Even if BLP device cannot be harnessed effectively, He could have earned $12 million dollars a year just being a Harvard Doctor. I reject the scam scenarios, and at the very least he believes he is dedicating his life to alternative energy before our planet dies. Correction… The planet will not die, just all the life upon it. GO TEAMS!

  • BroKeeper

    This demonstration resurfaces memories of my childhood when I had a full blown Hopalong Cassidy Cowboy Outfit with roll cap guns. I could continuously shoot a string of caps
    with random duds. I later discovered I could get a bigger bang for the buck if I slammed a rock on a whole roll. What if Mills did the same? Would he get a bigger bang? Just turn up the water and amperage. BANG!! 🙂

  • Brokeeper

    This demonstration resurfaces memories of my childhood when I had a full blown Hopalong Cassidy Cowboy Outfit with roll cap guns. I could continuously shoot a string of caps
    with random duds. I later discovered I could get a bigger bang for the buck if I slammed a rock on a whole roll – Bang!. What if Mills did the same? Would he get a bigger bang? Just turn up the water and amperage. BANG!! 🙂

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    It is wise to wait for better confirmation of the reality of Mills work with hydrinos, don’t put to much effort on it. My problem with hydrinos are that by know we should have clear evidences they exist and the cheer fact that it is taking so long is a warning signal. It is also strange that Mills claims that cold fusion is nonphysical, an indication that he might wrong is the following argument. My take on cold fusion is this. Hydrinos is a mathematical solution you typically find in equations containing the wave operator such as Mill’s theory and QED. QED is a very accurate description of the hydrogen and we see clear problems with those hydrino solutions like having an infinite probability weight. On the other hand if you disturb systems in a n-particle interaction it is not unlikely that these states becomes real, at least temporarily and the electron get’s really close to the proton and forms something that behaves very much like a neutron, also there is quite a lot of energy let lose and this combined may force the nuclei to tunnel each other and fuse in a fusion reaction. This is a hypothesis. Can we throw it down from the pedestal?

    But we have not seen it before in experiments

    – Well it is only under rare conditions it can happen, it may be under the radar most of the time

    But we have not found any theoretical evidences?

    – Mills is ignored, and normal physics needs QED, and it is unclear if QED is working in a n body setup according to Mills, who’s theory is also incomplete e.g. it’s a sort of steady state mathematics.

    – QED is bloody difficult to simulate and is typically never used. Shrödinger is a joke when you need relativistic quantum mechanics and is a good tool when you have allready tune it and are in areas where you know that your approximations are ok.

    All physicists tell me that this can’t work,

    – When it comes to knowledge that changes the fundamentals of science you will be by your own and work against the mass, it ha always been like that. Just make sure that researchers have an option to follow their hunch and you will find gold for your society. The current state is awful with a majority vote mechanism. A young Keppler of today would fail misserably and his ideas would be buried for a very long time or kept alive within secret sects on the intertube, laughed at by people in general and in those in charge of the tools of science. Mills is correct in a good part of his theory, it produces very accurate, more accurate than normal physics can accomplish, with well described mathematics using laughingly few assumptions. It mostly works, it is correct mathematics, it is better than what we can produce by QM, but his theory has not gotten into mainstream in >20 years, thats more years then it took Kepler to get his ideas out into the mainstream researches, that speaks tons about how awful the science works today, there is no freedom, just a tv show that broadcast that it is so.

    A popular view is that all cold fusion ideas are flawed and demands mysterical concentrations of energy.

    – The proposed mechansim is an intelligent speculation, but does not have this flaw.

  • Hope4Dbest

    The “highly conductive H2O-based solid fuel powder”, could that be freeze-dried H2O?

  • Marco

    I had the opportunity to know personally Mr Mills and to visit blackpower laboratories. it was several years ago and for a possible spin-off on their technologies for space electric propulsion application. It was impressive to see the on going activities they had in their research laboratories at that time. It was evident to me that something serious was really discovered and an effective research was going on. The fact that the company exists since so many years is, in my understanding an indication of this fact. Let we see…