Rossi Preparing E-Cat Plant with New Motto: In Mercato Veritas (In the Market is Truth)

A new tone has been struck this month by Andrea Rossi who has started to discuss that he is totally focused on preparing a 1 MW E-Cat plant — apparently getting it ready for public revelation. He has also adopted a new motto: In Mercato Veritas, which I translate to mean ‘In the Market is Truth’. He has always said that the public would only be convinced of the reality of his work when working plants are on the market, and now it seems he is redoubling his efforts to make this happen.

Here are some of his recent statements on the topic:

“Now, waiting for the results of the TIP, we are working very, very hard on the 1 MW plant. All what is happening around makes me extremely focused on it. In mercato veritas.”

“We will give all the due particulars of this industrial application in the USA when we will open the visits to the plant in operation.”

” Now we pass from the testing era to the market era with the 1 MW plants in continuous industrial operation. IN MERCATO VERITAS”

“I am focused on the 1 MW plant, as I said. Only the market will put an end to all the useless chattering around and will vindicate the value of our work, making groundless the accusations based on my past ( see http://www.ingandrearossi.com). My enemies can libel me, can write and broadcast falsities and accusations regarding facts of my life of 20 years ( twenty years !!!) ago, not related to my work on the LENR, but useful to try to discredit my person, can blackmail me, can do this and other, but one thing they will never able to do: stop the plants that are working with my technology. I have to answer with facts, not words.
The particulars of the plant in operation in the USA will be given to the visitors when we will be able to allow visits to next Customers and allowed persons and will be published in due time.”

I wonder if there is a big push now to get the plant ready for demonstration so it can coincide with the release of the independent report. Having the two events take place (with positive results) either at the same time, or in close succession would be a terrific one-two punch that would be sure to generate interest. It sounds like Andrea Rossi is looking forward to the time when his name will be associated with a significant technological achievement, rather than always being associated with the Petroldragon affair.

  • Certainly quacking like a duck at this point.

  • Certainly quacking like a duck at this point.

    • Mr_ZZZ

      It has been for a long time.

  • Allan Shura

    The strongest statements yet and if the public is demonstrably able to view continuous operation
    Rossi will succeed. The only caveat is ” in due time” so I hope near.

    • I hope he means ‘at the time we have decided’.

      • kd

        Yep!
        And his last statement about it is: -it take months not weeks.

  • Freethinker

    Is it 1MW plants using HotCats or are we talking about plants like the one previously delivered to, presumably, the US Navy, using the old ECat? Also, has focus now been dropped on the HotCat and a turbine setup, producing electricity? So many questions, so little answers 🙂

    • Alain Samoun

      Wait and see…

  • Buck

    It seems to me that Rossi’s comments over the last month have pointed towards the “Remarkable” results of the pending report. And Frank, I agree that Rossi and IH are suggestively racing towards creating the biggest PR push.

    I really do wonder where this 1MW power plant has been hosted and for how long has it been running.

    It would be over the top if it were running for the US Military at a contractor’s location and coincided with Obama’s current push towards tighter air quality control standards heavily impacting coal fired power plants. I hope Mark Gibbs is on the invite list.

    • jousterusa

      It would be coordinated with Obama’s Executive Order on co-generation issued last October, I think…

      • Buck

        Jousterusa,

        I agree . . . it all would go hand in hand. Until then, we wait with our hopes in hand.

  • Freethinker

    Is it 1MW plants using HotCats or are we talking about plants like the one previously delivered to, presumably, the US Navy, using the old ECat? Also, has focus now been dropped on the HotCat and a turbine setup, producing electricity? So many questions, so little answers 🙂

    • Alain Samoun

      Wait and see…

    • Bob

      At this point, nearly three years after the supposed delivery of a 1MW plant to a “secret miltary customer”, it is highly unlikely that a 1MW plant was ever delivered to anyone.
      There has not been one bit of evidence to support the delivery and quite a bit of evidence to refute any delivery.
      Even the supposed second sale was to his new partner, and as such, not a genuine sale to the market.
      The present motto of “In the market there is truth” is no different to the motto of three years ago, which was “The market will decide”
      Well, for the last three years the market has decided. They have bought none.
      All that means, there has been insufficient evidence for anyone to splash out over a million dollars for something which has not been proven to work, or work as well as claimed.
      As AR said, the market will decide, and it has.decided.
      He needs to put up a convincing demonstration that he has what he says he has, and so far he has not.
      The market is not interested in buying something which will only prove that the technology might work with some refinement at some time in the future.
      They pay that sort of money to get something which works now. If it doesn’t, or if there is serious doubt that it does, then they don’t buy it, and the present situation indicates they have not bought it.
      The hot-cat test last year a was a big step towards a proof, and it came close, but not quite there yet.
      Hopefully the next report might push it a bit further along the road to success, but the year long delay is not a good sign that the device works unbelievably well.
      The publishing of the results of the last test still being waited on is a citical point.
      If the test procedure or results have any obvious defects then that will consign the whole technology to many more years of argument and delay.

      • If you’re going to try and sell things that are supposed to run for at least six months you have to test it for at least six months in its final commercial form. There’s no way around it and it looks like Industrial Heat imposed that discipline on Rossi.

        So if a company doesn’t sell things in the R&D or prototype testing phase, the “market has decided” something about them?

        He doesn’t need to demo anything. He needs to get them on the market and have one — just one — reputable organization vouch that it works. That could be the military partner, NASA, Siemens, some power company or Google on a barge. Part of the fun is seeing what shape this all takes when it finally emerges.

      • humblemechanic

        Sensible words, unlike those who hang on and trying to
        “divine” Rossitalk.

      • US_Citizen71

        Please list some of the “quite a bit of evidence to refute any delivery.” as for evidence of it shipping try reading this: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/03/16/shipping-data-found-for-e-cat-plant/

  • Buck

    It seems to me that Rossi’s comments over the last few months have only pointed towards the “Remarkable” positive results of the pending report. And Frank, I agree that Rossi and IH are racing towards creating the biggest PR push.

    I really do wonder where this 1MW power plant has been hosted and for how long it has been running.

    It would be over the top if it were running for the US Military at a contractor’s location and coordinated with Obama’s current push towards tighter air quality control standards, reducing power plant carbon emissions by 30% and heavily impacting coal fired power plants.

    Finally, I hope Mark Gibbs is on the invite list. He paid the price for reporting on Rossi in Forbes . . . he deserves recognition.

    EDIT: I forgot to include Martin Fleischmann, a man who paid an enormous price for his pursuit of CF, on the invite list idea

    • A. Glista

      It would be a slap in the face to Obama’s “big Government knows best” crony capitalism approach to solving the energy problems with solar, windmills and batteries and other peoples money. I can’t wait to see the solution accomplished by human ingenuity, private capital, entrepreneurism, and dedicated hard work. Go Rossi!

    • jousterusa

      It would be coordinated with Obama’s Executive Order on co-generation issued last October, I think…

      • Buck

        Jousterusa,

        I agree . . . it all would go hand in hand. Until then, we wait with our hopes in hand.

  • Mr. Moho

    Have you read Rossi’s last minute update to one of his latest comments?
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848&cpage=3#comment-962719

    Andrea Rossi
    June 1st, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    Wladimir Guglinski:
    I would say that we have to put a distinction between market and
    science. Both, anyway, could give positive or negative results, and we
    will give information of both, along their indipendent paths, when we
    will consider consolidated the results ( for the industrial plants) and
    when we will have a reviewed- published report ( for the Third
    Indipendent Party test). Both are on their way. I am focused on the one
    that depends on me: the 1 MW plant ( on the front of it I want written
    the motto “In mercato veritas”).

    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Omega Z

    I’ll tell you what I Think.
    I Think all the Nasty Chatters have pizzed him off.
    He now wants to put a product on the market toot sweet.
    Let them Choke on their words..

    • BroKeeper

      The best defense is a good offense. The day results are released accentuate it by turning on a converted coal power plant that lights up a neighboring town with a special CNN breaking news covers the event with Wolf Blitzer.

      • Fortyniner

        I suspect that the MSM will initially continue the charade of pretending that Rossi/IH don’t exist, just as they continue to ‘blank’ Fukushima and the escalating ecological disaster in the Pacific Ocean.

        But a few rebels such as The Guardian in the UK and equivalents elsewhere will be enough to make them look like the disingenuous glove puppets they are, hopefully quite quickly. We should not expect any sudden mass revelation though – just a gradual dawning of the truth – that the world will never be the same again, and the days of the energy tyranny of the PTB are over.

        • GreenWin

          It HAS been a fascinating journey! Essentially, five years after SPAWAR scientists confirmed energetic particles in D+D experiments. 62 years after hot fusion began: $250B tax dollars invested and ZERO, Zed, Nada even one milliwatt of useful energy.

          • greggoble

            SPAWAR and the Global Energy Corporation nailed this technology earlier than 2007, when they filed patents which were sequestered till 2013. Then they tried to launch this advanced LENR technology last year far from prying eyes, also no mention at the ICCF conference. They only shared a small portion of their research with the LENR community five years ago in 2008 and 2009, only the C39 chips, and they failed to publish or present all the rest of their LENR protocols and data. Shame on all of them.

            For the rest of the story…
            http://coldfusionnow.org/energy-shortage-lenr-cold-fusion-navy-guam/

            Generation five

            “We’re generation five,” Dr. Khim told the Variety during an exclusive interview, “and first of all this is a brand new concept.” He said safety is the first consideration, and that cannot be ensured by building higher walls around reactors, as Japan saw last year with Fukushima.

            “You have to change the basic science of nuclear power,” Khim explained. “We’ve been working with the U.S. Navy for about 22 years and the basic science phase is now over. Now we’re going into commercial development, which the Navy is not going to do.” But Khim says the science has been repeatedly duplicated by the Navy, and has been proven, recognized and published.

            Officials of the Navy on Guam, including Capt. John V. Heckmann Jr., CO of Naval Facilities and a professional engineer, attended the GEC briefing.

            The GEC board of directors, Khim says, includes some well-known Washington D.C. Players, including former Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci, former Congressman and Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, and former U.S. Congressman Tom Davis, among others.

            Global Energy Corp. is proposing to build a 50-megawatt plant as a pilot project on Guam, on a build, operate and transfer basis for which GEC would obtain its own financing. Guam ratepayers would pay only for the electric power generated. Khim says he will finance the estimated $250 million plant himself. “No initial money for Guam at all,” Khim assured. “I’ll pay all the money; I’ll run it; and give Guam cheap electricity.” He says once his company and the CCU enter into a memorandum of understanding, other issues, such as the location of the reactor, will be explored.

            “Our plan is to fuel the generator only once, and the fuel would last for 50 years,” Khim said. The fuel will be natural, unenriched uranium ore, which is mined in various countries including the U.S. and Australia.

            “This concept is simple,” Khim added. “We’re tsunami-proof, earthquake-proof, and typhoon-proof. There is no chance of a major catastrophe because there can be no meltdown. This is clean, green nuclear energy. This is the future … where we are going. This is a dream come true for all humankind.”

  • Omega Z

    I’ll tell you what I Think.
    I Think all the Nasty Chatters have pizzed him off.
    He now wants to put a product on the market toot sweet.
    Let them Choke on their words..

    • Brokeeper

      The best defense is a good offense. The day the results are released accentuate it by turning on a converted coal power plant that lights up a neighboring town with a special CNN breaking news with Wolf Blitzer covering the ‘shock and awe’.

      • I suspect that the MSM will initially continue the charade of pretending that Rossi/IH don’t exist, just as they continue to ‘blank’ Fukushima and the escalating ecological disaster in the Pacific Ocean.

        But a few rebels such as The Guardian in the UK and equivalents elsewhere will be enough to make them look like the disingenuous glove puppets they are, hopefully quite quickly. We should not expect any sudden mass revelation though – just a gradual dawning of the truth – that the world will never be the same again, and the days of the energy tyranny of the PTB are over.

        • GreenWin

          It HAS been a fascinating journey! Essentially, five years after SPAWAR scientists confirmed energetic particles in D+D experiments. 62 years after hot fusion began: $250B tax dollars invested and ZERO, Zed, Nada even one milliwatt of useful energy.

          • greggoble

            SPAWAR and the Global Energy Corporation nailed this technology earlier than 2007, when they filed patents which were sequestered till 2013. Then they tried to launch this advanced LENR technology last year far from prying eyes, also no mention at the ICCF conference. They only shared a small portion of their research with the LENR community five years ago in 2008 and 2009, only the C39 chips, and they failed to publish or present all the rest of their LENR protocols and data. Shame on all of them.

            For the rest of the story…
            http://coldfusionnow.org/energy-shortage-lenr-cold-fusion-navy-guam/

            Generation five

            “We’re generation five,” Dr. Khim told the Variety during an exclusive interview, “and first of all this is a brand new concept.” He said safety is the first consideration, and that cannot be ensured by building higher walls around reactors, as Japan saw last year with Fukushima.

            “You have to change the basic science of nuclear power,” Khim explained. “We’ve been working with the U.S. Navy for about 22 years and the basic science phase is now over. Now we’re going into commercial development, which the Navy is not going to do.” But Khim says the science has been repeatedly duplicated by the Navy, and has been proven, recognized and published.

            Officials of the Navy on Guam, including Capt. John V. Heckmann Jr., CO of Naval Facilities and a professional engineer, attended the GEC briefing.

            The GEC board of directors, Khim says, includes some well-known Washington D.C. Players, including former Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci, former Congressman and Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, and former U.S. Congressman Tom Davis, among others.

            Global Energy Corp. is proposing to build a 50-megawatt plant as a pilot project on Guam, on a build, operate and transfer basis for which GEC would obtain its own financing. Guam ratepayers would pay only for the electric power generated. Khim says he will finance the estimated $250 million plant himself. “No initial money for Guam at all,” Khim assured. “I’ll pay all the money; I’ll run it; and give Guam cheap electricity.” He says once his company and the CCU enter into a memorandum of understanding, other issues, such as the location of the reactor, will be explored.

            “Our plan is to fuel the generator only once, and the fuel would last for 50 years,” Khim said. The fuel will be natural, unenriched uranium ore, which is mined in various countries including the U.S. and Australia.

            “This concept is simple,” Khim added. “We’re tsunami-proof, earthquake-proof, and typhoon-proof. There is no chance of a major catastrophe because there can be no meltdown. This is clean, green nuclear energy. This is the future … where we are going. This is a dream come true for all humankind.”

  • Anon2012_2014

    We are 14 days away from June 15th.

    I am waiting to see a demonstration of something that works.

    I don’t care if it is a single unit Ecat/Hot Cat, or a 1 MW plant that is clearly making 6 times the heat vs. the power to run it (which could be natural gas).

    I want to see something. Please.

  • Anon2012_2014

    We are 14 days away from June 15th.

    I am waiting to see a demonstration of something that works.

    I don’t care if it is a single unit Ecat/Hot Cat, or a 1 MW plant that is clearly making 6 times the heat vs. the power to run it (which could be natural gas).

    I want to see something. Please.

  • Christopher Calder

    The team of professors who tested Rossi’s reactor long term may have not yet have told him the exact results yet, but Rossi can probably tell from the tone of their voices, even during telephone calls, that the reactor was a success.

  • The team of professors who tested Rossi’s reactor long term may have not yet told him the exact results yet, but Rossi can probably tell from the tone of their voices, even during telephone calls, that the reactor was a success.

  • Alain Samoun

    “terrific one-two punch” Leads to a KO of fossil fuels and centralized energy soon!

  • Ophelia Rump

    I wonder what the initial products will be. Rossi has said 1MW plant but is it just a lot of hot air or hot water, or electricity as the end product

  • Ophelia Rump

    I wonder what the initial products will be. Rossi has said 1MW plant but is it hot water, or electricity as the end product.

  • jaman73

    In Merca to veritas = The reward to the truth. B-)

  • jaman73

    In Merca to veritas = The reward to the truth.

  • Leo Kaas

    Rossi sounds like he knows his vindication is close at hand, any day now I hope.

  • Kevin O

    In mercato veritas. Sounds like the old Rossi from 4 years ago. The old Rossi wasn’t interested in public demos, he was interested in selling Ecat plants. But then his good friend Focardi developed cancer and wanted the recognition “due” to him, so Rossi gave public demos. The crappiest demos since Langley’s device plummeted into the Potomac. Because Rossi hates public demos and frankly, he sucks at giving them. Public demos are for guys like Hydrofusion. He can demo to an investor, but for the public with its ridiculous requirements of things like using someone else’s power supply, he thinks it is a waste of time. Which it is.

    The old Rossi is back.

    • GreenWin

      I prefer: “In Mercato veritas et consequens.” To give the pathoskeps a heads up.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I would rather say “consequentia”.

  • Kevin O

    In mercato veritas. Sounds like the old Rossi from 4 years ago. The old Rossi wasn’t interested in public demos, he was interested in selling Ecat plants. But then his good friend Focardi developed cancer and wanted the recognition “due” to him, so Rossi gave public demos. The crappiest demos since Langley’s device plummeted into the Potomac. Because Rossi hates public demos and frankly, he sucks at giving them. Public demos are for guys like Hydrofusion. He can demo to an investor, but for the public with its ridiculous requirements of things like using someone else’s power supply, he thinks it is a waste of time. Which it is.

    The old Rossi is back.

  • jousterusa

    I prefer “In Vino Veritas,” but when we started The American Reporter we went with “Vincit Veritars.” – “Truth Conquers” – which I hope will e the end result of Rossi’s efforts!

  • jousterusa

    I prefer “In Vino Veritas,” but when we started The American Reporter we went with “Vincit Veritars.” – “Truth Conquers” – which I hope will e the end result of Rossi’s efforts! I think you have to be a lapsed altar boy to appreciate the beauty of Latin!

  • Andreas Moraitis

    “In mercato veritas” is somewhat double-edged. It reminds me also of fast food and shallow pop music. Or even worse things. Rossi could surely find a better motto.

    • Rossi is understandably impatient with the ad hominem attacks, and I think he uses the latin phrase to mean ‘the market will reveal (who has been telling) the truth’. Perhaps a better phrase might have been (borrowing from Jousterusa) in mercato vincit – ‘the market wins/conquers’ to mean ‘the market will defeat (the lies)’.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        It’s clear what Rossi means, but people who are not familiar with his story could misinterpret that phrase. The market supports even questionable products as long as there are enough people who buy them.

        • humblemechanic

          You say “its clear what Rossi means”. Have you “divined the entrails”,
          are you a “seer” yourself?

        • Ophelia Rump

          The local market may supply home goods which are questionable purchases.

          Industries do not. Much like consuming questionable sushi, where it is wise to be polite and let the guest of honor consume the first portion until they are satisfied and full. Industries are patient and watchful.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Maybe this is true for the technical sector. But in many other cases, trivial products are thrown onto the market and bought on a huge scale. Above I have mentioned fast food and some sorts of popular music. I’m sure one could find other examples. In certain cases, the market may tell the truth about the quality of products, but it can also be a big liar.

      • Ophelia Rump

        No where in the phrase does it specify that only lies will be defeated, or that all lies will be defeated. Only that the market will inflict casualties. This phrase is blunt like a sledge hammer. I agree that it is also probably the best of the variations, Jousterusa is sharp.

      • psi2u2

        Maybe he had some private reason for preferring the word “truth” – Veritas?

        • Veritas vincit, perhaps?

          • psi2u2

            Perhaps. : )

  • GreenWin

    I prefer: “In Mercato veritas et consequens.” To give the pathoskeps a heads up.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I would rather say “consequentia”.

  • Gerard McEk

    I am sure now the results of the test will be positive, why else would a demo be organized? Maybe they want to combine both as below is suggested to knock-down all criticism? It would be a perfect way to introduce Ecat. Would they wait with the publication of the test until Andrea has finished his 1MW plant?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      I understand AR’s recent comments so that the plant in question has already worked for some time, although is perhaps undergoing service/improvements, plus they wait until someone decides it’s time to allow visits.

  • Gerard McEk

    I am sure now the results of the test will be positive, why else would a demo be organized? Maybe they want to combine both as below is suggested to knock-down all criticism? It would be a perfect way to introduce Ecat. Would they wait with the publication of the test until Andrea has finished his 1MW plant?

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Maybe this means Rossi has viewed his 3 day advance of report?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      I understand AR’s recent comments so that the plant in question has already worked for some time, although is perhaps undergoing service/improvements, plus they wait until someone decides it’s time to allow visits.

  • Bernie777

    Great news. “In the market is truth” This is the only way the super skeptics and saboteurs of the E-Cat will be silenced.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Great news. “In the market is truth” This is the only way the super skeptics and saboteurs of the E-Cat will be silenced.

  • Fortyniner

    I hope he means ‘at the time we have decided’.

    • Charles

      I return once again to the argument I have been making for at least a year. It is deeply rumored and undenied by the DOD and NASA that ?DARPA/USN? got the first 1 MW plant. My argument has been that if the unit has been successfully operated by the end receiver that in order to conceal their identity they could/should release secretly through a trusted 3d party the results.

    • kd

      Yep!
      And his last statement about it is: -it take months not weeks.

      • Daniel Maris

        Very encouraging news! This is the way forward. And we must remember that IH are reading all these statements as well.

        • friendlyprogrammer

          Let’s imagine… Imagine this really was enough proof for Mainstream Media and Scientists around the globe. Imagine this report accomplishes our hopes. It is a fun thought. Let’s just hope and pray for a Hail Mary.

          • Ophelia Rump

            The report means very little. There would not be much splash to the report without a practical product. The report is just a check-box on the list of requirements pre-purchase.

          • GreenWin

            Wrong mindset friendly. You assume approval from Mainstream is a requirement for success. This is the very mechanism which has disabled true research for the last 50 years. And a “Hail Mary” is a last resort, desperate move appropriate now to the centralized electric utility industry. Narrow-minded examples infect the posts of LENR skeptopaths daily.

            Imagine instead a world with abundant food, clean water, good air, healthcare and stable population. 🙂

          • Freethinker

            I agree.

            But it requires some serious amount of self control at times to focus on the positive. 🙂

            But you are right. When the product is out there generating value for its proponents, the thought police of old will have to give up. It does not really matter.

            In the end, who will even remember those fools when abundant food, clean water, good air, healthcare and stable population is upon us, as well as a large and healthy space exploration program taking humans not only to the far corners of our own solar system, but possibly beyond.

            Yes, yes, enough with the bright new world bs! some people may say. It is just that, it is not bs, and it is no longer sci-fi (at least not for long).

            End of futuristic childish rant. 😉

  • Charles

    I return once again to the argument I have been making for at least a year. It is deeply rumored and undenied by the DOD and NASA that ?DARPA/USN? got the first 1 MW plant. My argument has been that if the unit has been successfully operated by the end receiver that in order to conceal their identity they could/should release secretly through a trusted 3d party the results.

  • Stephen

    1MW, customer/market will decide, etc… this is a neverending deja vu… or, better, deja ecoute.
    We’re into time loop, we must have recently fell into a black hole.

    • I get an odd feeling of deja vu when I read your predictably negative comments.

      • GreenWin

        Such comments are like a black hole… all over again.

    • James Thomas

      Within this hall of stained-glass, be wise, keep such sacrilegious thoughts to yourself.

  • Matt

    I dont quite get it. I thought the 1MW plant was already for sale. That’s what Rossi himself said several times and that is what his licensees are advertising.

    • It seems likely that this is a 1MW ‘hot cat’ – a composite reactor/boiler consisting of perhaps 50-100 units of the type that has been the subject of the latest set of independent tests. The old blue container units are obsolete, although it’s possible that the one that was shipped to the ‘states may have been rebuilt to house the new-type mouse/cat cores, so IH could run long term tests in-house .

    • hempenearth

      I don’t think all of Rossi’s licensees were transferred to IH

      • Hydro Fusion still seem to be in the game. My guess is the others were probably refunded quietly.

  • If you’re going to try and sell things that are supposed to run for at least six months you have to test it for at least six months in its final commercial form. There’s no way around it and it looks like Industrial Heat imposed that discipline on Rossi.

    So if a company doesn’t sell things in the R&D or prototype testing phase, the “market has decided” something about them?

    He doesn’t need to demo anything. He needs to get them on the market and have one — just one — reputable organization vouch that it works. That could be the military partner, NASA, Siemens, some power company or Google on a barge. Part of the fun is seeing what shape this all takes when it finally emerges.

  • Hope4dbest

    In Hoc Cato Vinces

    • Fortyniner

      Cato the younger, I assume. After the link-up with Darden et al. Rossi/Cato was inevitably going to win – unless he had met with an unfortunate accident. Too late for anything like that now I think.

      • Hope4dbest

        Cato as in catus,cati. With this cat you will win. A pun on Constantine’s “In Hoc Signo Vinces”.

        • Fortyniner

          Ah – I assumed you were comparing Rossi with the Roman statesman Cato the younger – remembered among other things for his staunch principles and incorruptibility.

  • Hope4Dbest

    In Hoc Cato Vinces

    • Cato the younger, I assume? After the link-up with Darden et al. Rossi/Cato was inevitably going to win – unless he had met with an unfortunate accident. Too late for anything like that now I think.

      • Hope4Dbest

        Cato as in catus,cati. With this cat you will win. A pun on Constantine’s “In Hoc Signo Vinces”.

        • Ah – I assumed you were comparing Rossi with the Roman statesman Cato the younger – remembered among other things for his staunch principles and incorruptibility.

          So probably ‘In hoc cattus vinces’?

  • Grek

    Rossi now says on JONP that it will take several months before the 1MW-plant becomes public.

  • robyn wyrick

    I am regularly amused by some of the posts here harping on the time table Rossi is using. But now I am convinced. I am tired of waiting for Rossi. Why isn’t he delivering his world-changing technology on my schedule? What’s wrong with him?

    I come to this website almost every day, and let me tell you, the world hasn’t been saved. And another thing: I’m still bald. The least he could do for me is to make his entirely-new-energy system also cure my baldness.

    And don’t get me talking about my teeth. Or my income.

    Clearly Rossi is not to be believed.

    (PS: Alright, I can’t keep up the sarcasm. it’s June!!! Wohoo. Butterflies in the belly!)

  • robyn wyrick

    I am regularly amused by some of the posts here harping on the time table Rossi is using. But now I am convinced. I am tired of waiting for Rossi. Why isn’t he delivering his world-changing technology on my schedule? What’s wrong with him?

    I come to this website almost every day, and let me tell you, the world hasn’t been saved. And another thing: I’m still bald. The least he could do for me is to make his entirely-new-energy system also cure my baldness.

    And don’t get me talking about my teeth. Or my income.

    Clearly Rossi is not to be believed.

    (PS: Alright, I can’t keep up the sarcasm. it’s June!!! Wohoo. Butterflies in the belly!)

    • Freethinker

      🙂
      +1

    • John Littlemist

      Doesn’t the fact that the man himself, Rossie, is bald too, bring you any comfort?
      Here in Finland we have a proverb saying that “hair and wits do not fit to the same head” 😉

    • GreenWin

      “Grass don’t grow on a busy street.”

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Except in Jamaica and States that legalized it.

        • GreenWin

          I like your point. Though realistically even a weed will not survive the 405 freeway, or autobahn. 🙂

  • KD

    Andrea Rossi “http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848&cpage=3” l “comment-963024” http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848&cpage=3” l “comment-963024”

    Errata corrige:
    I made a typo:
    The motto ” In mercato veritas” must be corrected as follows:
    ” In mercatu veritas”: mercatus is of the fourth declination… Warm regards to all
    A.R.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      If it is the u-declination, it should read “mercatui”, I think.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        No, “mercatu” appears to be correct. Sorry.

        • psi2u2

          Correct. “Mercatui” would dative, and the construction calls for ablative.

    • DK

      Andrea Rossi also explain.

      Mark Saker:
      I agree,but:
      1- the timing of the reviewing of the report does not depend on me
      2- the ting for the public presentation of the 1 MW plant working in the factory of our Customer has not yet be defined, but I can say it will be in a range, we suppose, of several months, not weeks
      3- any information regarding the technological data will be delivered at the presentation.
      Warm Regards
      A.R. – In mercatu veritas

  • KD

    Andrea Rossi “http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848&cpage=3” l “comment-963024” http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848&cpage=3” l “comment-963024”

    Errata corrige:
    I made a typo:
    The motto ” In mercato veritas” must be corrected as follows:
    ” In mercatu veritas”: mercatus is of the fourth declination… Warm regards to all
    A.R.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      If it is the u-declination, it should read “mercatui”, I think.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        No, “mercatu” appears to be correct. Sorry.

        • psi2u2

          Correct. “Mercatui” would dative, and the construction calls for ablative.

    • DK

      Andrea Rossi also explain.

      Mark Saker:
      I agree,but:
      1- the timing of the reviewing of the report does not depend on me
      2- the ting for the public presentation of the 1 MW plant working in the factory of our Customer has not yet be defined, but I can say it will be in a range, we suppose, of several months, not weeks
      3- any information regarding the technological data will be delivered at the presentation.
      Warm Regards
      A.R. – In mercatu veritas

  • georgehants

    If Mr. Rossi has done nothing else he has introduced onto this page the word that has been virtually abandoned in this age. —– Veritas.
    I notice several uses below, how long will it be used, just today I think and then, well!
    It is a word that would have seen Cold Fusion being Researched 25 years ago, and now possibly saving many lives.

  • georgehants

    If Mr. Rossi has done nothing else he has introduced onto this page the word that has been virtually abandoned in this age. —– Veritas.
    I notice several uses below, how long will it be used, just today I think and then, well!
    It is a word that would have seen Cold Fusion being Researched 25 years ago, and now possibly saving many lives.

  • Ophelia Rump

    I wonder if they will be selling complete solutions for power generation, or just the high pressure steam production portion. I assume the pilot plant which they will be showcasing will be a complete steam electric production facility.

    This then begs the question, do they have business partners who will be buying their product directly for production of their own complete solutions. Either for purposes of resale or as installations in their own generation facilities.

    • pg

      Ten thousand units at current prices equals 15 B USD.
      Siemens total year revenue is in the order of 100 B. It does not look like petty cash for any buyer…

      • Ophelia Rump

        I think I said 100 or 1000 for Siemens petty cash for them. Ten Thousand to China, that could be a monthly order.

    • mcloki

      licence deals are the best option. Imagine Siemens building plants to produce e-cats.

  • Ophelia Rump

    I wonder if they will be selling complete solutions for power generation, or just the high pressure steam production portion. I assume the pilot plant which they will be showcasing will be a complete steam electric production facility.

    This then begs the question, do they have business partners who will be buying their product directly for production of their own complete solutions. Either for purposes of resale or as installations in their own generation facilities.

    The best possible news would be a purchase order in hand for a few hundred 1MW units.
    Imagine Siemens with the rights to the first thousand 1MW units off the production line.
    What if they had a second order from China for the first ten thousand.

    The purchase would amount to petty cash for either of them.

    • pg

      Ten thousand units at current prices equals 15 B USD.
      Siemens total year revenue is in the order of 100 B. It does not look like petty cash for any buyer…

      • Ophelia Rump

        I said 1000 for Siemens would be petty cash for them. Ten Thousand to China, that could be a monthly order.

        They could pay for it out of interest due from the U.S. National Debt owed to them.

    • mcloki

      licence deals are the best option. Imagine Siemens building plants to produce e-cats.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Let’s imagine… Imagine this really was enough proof for Mainstream Media and Scientists around the globe. Imagine this report accomplishes our hopes. It is a fun thought. Let’s just hope and pray for a Hail Mary.

    • Ophelia Rump

      The report means very little. There would not be much splash to the report without a practical product. The report is just a check-box on the list of requirements pre-purchase.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Oh Well. I got to imagine for a half hour anyways. I also know this is not enough.

        Ross seems perturbed a bit and defensive over his history though. It is sad that people working to the betterment of man should face such indignities, never mind if he turns into a Hero of Legend by replacing Fossil Fuel.

        However… He has a history of underestimating what is enough to convince people. He thought a Peer Review would be enough in 2010. In 2011; he thought a year of demos would convince. In 2013 he thought The Ecat verification on his premises was enough. None of them approached nearly enough.

        Is he even trying for enough?

        • GreenWin

          Wrong again. Each of those steps brought in more support, more attention, not from the cosmetic Kardashian press – from people who matter. Convincing “people” is easy – Reich Minister Goebbles pioneered it. Convincing people who make a difference is harder, and Rossi appears to have done that.

    • GreenWin

      Wrong mindset friendly. You assume approval from Mainstream is a requirement for success. This is the very mechanism which has disabled true research for the last 50 years. And a “Hail Mary” is a last resort, desperate move appropriate now to the centralized electric utility industry. Narrow-minded examples infect the posts of LENR skeptopaths daily.

      Imagine instead a world with abundant food, clean water, good air, healthcare and stable population. 🙂

      • Freethinker

        I agree.

        But it requires some serious amount of self control at times to focus on the positive. 🙂

        But you are right. When the product is out there generating value for its proponents, the thought police of old will have to give up. They do not really matter.

        In the end, who will even remember those fools when abundant food, clean water, good air, healthcare and stable population is upon us, as well as a large and healthy space exploration program taking humans not only to the far corners of our own solar system, but possibly beyond.

        Yes, yes, enough with the bright new world bs! some people may say. It is just that, it is not bs, and it is no longer sci-fi (at least not for long).

        End of futuristic childish rant – with positive mindset. 😉

  • Lu

    If “In Mercato Veritas” and the E-Cats have been on the market for 3+ years now with factories established etc but not a single verifiable use of such a revolutionary product by an actual customer, what can we say?

    I’m looking forward to the third party report, independent reports by customers of the E-Cat in actual use, and anything that IH might have to say about this technology.

    • GreenWin

      Lu makes a reasoned point. What we know is a commercial product based on a technology that’s well observed but not understood, arriving from a self-funded (zero tax dollars) startup, will likely take several years to be accepted. The Wright’s airplane flew in 1903, but was rejected by US guv’ment until Wilber flew over a public gathering at Le Mans, France in 1908 – 5.5 years later.

      Conversely, a well understood phenomenon – hot fusion has consumed `$250 Billion tax payer dollars and 62 years of research and development. The latest forecast for science’s best and brightest idea, ITER is 300% over budget and 15 years behind schedule. It has yet to produce 1 Watt of useful energy.

      • Lu

        Having a technology accepted and having a single documented case of use are two vastly different things. And in this golden age of science and technology–of instantaneous and global ommunications, international and massive financial and investment markets, and a worldwide business ecosystem–hardly compares to the time of the Wright Brothers. Still you make a reasoned point that actual adoption of this technology will be slower than we imagine.

        • GreenWin

          This suggests there is little excuse for science’s continued ignorance of LENR. In fact as IH/Rossi are proving, it is commercial incentive that will deliver this technology. Academia, government and fossil/fission industries have worked hard to impede it.

      • mcloki

        The Wright brothers didn’t ave the INternet. Expect Kickstarters forming a hundred companies to exploit e-cats in everything from greenhouses to pool heaters to cars

        • GreenWin

          It will be interesting to see how long it takes MIT and CalTech to accept LENR. I suppose not before MIT’s PSFC is shut down – or admits failure to lead.

      • bachcole

        Given that the flight at Kitty Hawk happened at the very end of 1903, 4.5 years would be closer rather than 5.5 years.

        • GreenWin

          🙂 Correct Roger. Also, I should clarify; hot fusion of any type has failed to produce even 1 Watt of useful energy. ITER will never produce useful energy.

          • bachcole

            I have noticed that the time to ignition (attaining over-unity) increases as time goes on. So, in the 1970, the time to ignition was 35 years. Now it is 50 years.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Think about it…….the biggest revolution in conventional energy is shale fracking. It’s an old technology that was tweaked into something that really worked by George P. Mitchell, son of a Greek goat herder. There was never a big eureka moment in the media. The revolution started small and grew and grew and grew.

    That may be the case with LENR.

    • Ophelia Rump

      That is reasonable and perhaps even prudent advice. And I think Industry is based upon such values. So I hope for and expect the launch of a new industry. A happy little factory churning out Mod 1, V1, Production Units.

      Soon, very soon.

    • Doktor Bob

      really?
      thats amazing

    • GreenWin

      Wrong again. Each of those steps brought in more support, more attention, not from the cosmetic Kardashian press – from people who matter. Convincing “people” is easy – Reich Minister Goebbles pioneered it. Convincing people who make a difference is harder, and Rossi appears to have done that.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Iggy, What horrible thing did George P. Mitchell do to merit forever being described with the appelation “son of a Greek goat herder”?

    • Private Citizen

      Rossi was son of an Italian metal carpenter. Not goats, but humble beginnings.

    • Omega Z

      The implementation of Fracking was revolutionary. Originally using an explosive concoction. The improvements of Fracking(Hydraulics) were an evolutionary process.

      The real Holy Grail, Directional Drilling. This allowed collection of oil from large area’s with a single wellhead instead of many. The explosive fracking tho cheap & effective in a standard well, wasn’t very effective with new drilling abilities. This spurred the need for the new Hydraulic fracking technology.

      Little know to most people. Cold lasers & particle beams were actually taken into consideration for directional drilling in the late 70’s. Tho “QUICKLY” dismissed due to cost before a feasibility study was done.

      Some conspiracists claim the Government harnessed this very technology & has drilled a web of tunnels all over,(Maybe this explains sinkhole) But I would guess they too would have been overwhelmed by the Energy demands of such a device. UNLESS- They used their Zero Point Energy Devices. 🙂

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Think about it…….the biggest revolution in conventional energy is shale fracking. It’s an old technology that was tweaked into something that really worked by George P. Mitchell, son of a Greek goat herder. There was never a big eureka moment in the media. The revolution started small and grew and grew and grew.

    That may be the case with LENR.

    • Ophelia Rump

      That is reasonable and perhaps even prudent advice. And I think Industry is based upon such values. So I hope for and expect the launch of a new industry. A happy little factory churning out Mod 1, V1, Production Units.

      Soon, very soon.

    • really?
      thats amazing

    • Ophelia Rump

      Iggy, What horrible thing did George P. Mitchell do to merit forever being described with the appelation “son of a Greek goat herder”?

    • Private Citizen

      Rossi was son of an Italian metal carpenter. Not goats, but humble beginnings.

    • Omega Z

      The implementation of Fracking was revolutionary. Originally using an explosive concoction. The improvements of Fracking(Hydraulics) were an evolutionary process.

      The real Holy Grail, Directional Drilling. This allowed collection of oil from large area’s with a single wellhead instead of many. The explosive fracking tho cheap & effective in a standard well, wasn’t very effective with new drilling abilities. This spurred the need for the new Hydraulic fracking technology.

      Little know to most people. Cold lasers & particle beams were actually taken into consideration for directional drilling in the late 70’s. Tho “QUICKLY” dismissed due to cost before a feasibility study was done.

      Some conspiracists claim the Government harnessed this very technology & has drilled a web of tunnels all over,(Maybe this explains sinkhole) But I would guess they too would have been overwhelmed by the Energy demands of such a device. UNLESS- They used their Zero Point Energy Devices. 🙂

    • bachcole

      I respectfully and reluctantly disagree. There is no new physics with fracking. Perhaps the growth of the industry will be slow, but the impact on nuclear physics will be sudden, massive, and earth shaking.

  • bitplayer

    I was in Home Depot the other day, and a fellow was selling roof top solar. I said I was waiting for cold fusion. He asked what that was, and I explained what I knew. He took the ecatword url and bookmarked it on the spot (smartphones!), and asked interested questions. But at the end, I didn’t recommend that he get out of that business, not that day.

    • Ophelia Rump

      He may benefit. The best site to plug an H-Cat steam electric plant in is at a Solar site.

      The site is prepared, and properly designated.
      They have surplus electric inverter ability guaranteed.
      They have room for it.

      They have low income which would soar from the acquisition of an Industrial Heat power generation plant, between ten and twenty five kW output. Plug and play profitability for a boarder line industry.

      He is just not going to benefit from the 1MW first product.

    • James Andrew Rovnak

      Had same experience at Home Depot last week! The solar panel were Elon of TESLA fame in the making! Too bad GM dropped the ball when headed by an X basketball player with a large Ego!

  • hempenearth

    I don’t think all of Rossi’s licensees were transferred to IH

    • Fortyniner

      Hydro Fusion still seem to be in the game. My guess is the others were probably refunded quietly.

  • US_Citizen71

    Please list some of the “quite a bit of evidence to refute any delivery.” as for evidence of it shipping try reading this: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/03/16/shipping-data-found-for-e-cat-plant/

  • Private Citizen
    • Owen Geiger

      It’s very encouraging to see non-LENR scientists working on related projects. It lends credibility to LENR and boosts research in the field. Knowledge of new and emerging LENR related energy sources are now more widespread than ever. Something is going on.

  • Owen Geiger

    Here’s an optimistic yet realistic scenario if you believe like I do that IH is funded by deep pocket billionaire industrialists.
    – They nail down the patents soon.
    – Long term test results are published this month, along with a cogent explanation of the science behind LENR.
    – Announcement of orders from one or more large companies.
    – Announcement from China about their LENR research/production facilities and partnership with IH.
    – Public statements by IH.
    – Their 1MW commercial plant is opened for VIP tours, and a report is published about its efficiency.
    – Obomber gets on the bandwagon in hopes of gaining more approval. He will claim he’s been working behind the scenes all along to bring LENR to the world.
    – Announcements by NASA, DARPA, US Navy about new LENR uses for the military and spacecraft.
    – The lid is now blown off this story and so scientists, lamestream media and science rag publications are forced to start talking about LENR.
    – The plug is pulled on hot fusion and the money re-directed to LENR.

    • Buck

      Owen,

      If what you describe comes to pass, then the political firestorm over the next few years will be dramatic and extremely entertaining, especially for those of us who have been watching from the sideline.

      And, I’m with you . . . it is in the realm of possibilities.

      • Owen Geiger

        There’s also the possibility of other players rolling out reports and products in the near future. They’re under the gun to produce and they know it. I’m thinking about that power plant project in S. Korea… Having multiple products from multiple companies unveiled in rapid succession would unleash massive investment and research. Large universities would open LENR advanced materials research labs to train the next generation of scientists and engineers.

        • Buck

          Knock on wood . . .

      • Pekka Janhunen

        “Political firestorm” is what they have for example in Ukraine, it’s something that one shouldn’t hope for. If a disruptive change is seen to come, it’s our duty to contribute towards making the transition orderly and peaceful while at the same time avoiding unnecessary delay, for example by having some kind of vague but collective transition roadmap.

        • georgehants

          Pekka, would you think that 25 years is “orderly and peaceful” enough, or does main-line science need another 25 years to wake-up.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Preservation of status quo is not a transition at all.

        • Buck

          Pekka,

          IMO, some of the transition is attenuated already due to the understood safety and regulatory concerns centered on a consumer LENR product. I suspect it will take 7-10 years before such a product is allowed on the market, at least in the developed countries like the US and EU.

          Regarding other elements of the “Political Firestorm”, there is nothing to be done about it. Just the knowledge of the benefits of a commercially available industrial LENR device will cause disruption for academia, government, and the fossil fuel industry IMO. It will just have to play its way through society.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            If energy gets permanently cheaper, lots of things change. People decide what to buy, where to live, where to work, where to go to school, what to become, where to invest… Answers to the questions depend on the present and especially future cost of energy. For example, lowering of apartment heating costs and commuting costs
            might cause a wave of de-urbanisation which affects real estate prices, among other things.

          • Buck

            You and I are in agreement.

            The unanswerable question is: how long will it take to transition global energy production to 90-100% clean safe LENR based sources from 0% today? And, when are the transition inflection points along this long road?

            I think it very reasonable to project that it will take 30-50 years at least.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I would guess 20 years. But as soon as there is certainty about LENR (which might in principle happen at any time), energy cost comes down and then fluctuates. That effect is fast because the present energy price is to a large extent due to its anticipated future scarcity.

          • Buck

            I prefer your “20 Years” over my “30-50 Years”. And, I agree with your assessment on the impact of LENR on energy costs.

            I find it hard to project how those whose wealth and economic survival depend upon the fossil fuel energy industry will act as a drag on the political and legal changes required to speed the transition process. It is easy to find stories describing/implying the purchase of politicians and their power.

      • GreenWin

        Buck, it will be entertaining! And hopefully a political & academic catalyst as well. LENR demonstrates the failure of government funded R&D in areas perceived threatening to industry. This must be corrected. Public funds must not be subject to lobbyist gatekeeping. Or monopolized in “national labs.” LENR/cold fusion dramatically illustrates the power of independent, anti-consensus thought. In fact, “consensus” has little place in scientific method.

        • Buck

          GW,
          Like you and all the rest here, I look forward to watching the drama unfold for my own reasons.

          However, of one thing I am fairly certain: a commercially available industrial LENR device is just a tool. IMO, it is not equivalent to nor will directly cause and bring about humanity’s spiritual maturation. But, it will certainly lay bare the lessons of which you allude.

          • bachcole

            Buck, I could not agree with you more about “it is not equivalent to nor will directly cause and bring about humanity’s spiritual maturation”. I keep harping on that here. However, do you suppose that it might be part of humanity’s spiritual maturation or emanating from the same Cause?

          • Buck

            Roger,

            it seems that you see it as an opportunity as well. Certainly, it is my hope that Man sees this as an opportunity and uses the time freed up by the discovery of LENR energy to mature. But, as always, it is a tough path requiring gumption and energy to pursue to its end, IMO.

          • Kevin O

            Here’s how I think it will go down based upon long term observation and Rossi’s hints.

            It will be a positive TIP report. The TIP report will be ignored in the industry.

            Rossi & IH will announce that they intend to demo to their patent application which was denied recently due to being “impossible”, similar to how the Wright brothers were denied publication of an article in Scientific American because such a thing was impossible.

            Rossi will set up Hydrofusion to do a public demo. Whoever wants to pay the $5 fee can go & see a cold fusion reactor working in the field. IH will propose that their patent demo should take place on this site. It is intended to create the same kind of media circus that the Wright brothers created for their demos.

            The industry will be turned on its head before Rossi is even granted the patent. CYPW Cyclone Power stock will skyrocket. Oil futures will plummet. Bye bye, petrol-funded terrorism. Huge patent wars will break out, just like what happened when dozens of people stole the Wright brothers’ IP (like Glenn Curtiss), but it won’t be resolved in the same manner. That’s because it was a patent mashup effort by the military in WWI that forced the Wright brothers’ hand and gave shysters like Curtiss more than their fair market share.

            The way I view Rossi is that he’s like Daniel Boone. He will lead everyone to the green pastures of the Ohio Valley but he won’t think the end result was worth the effort because so many of those who came after him trampled on the beautiful territories he opened up.

    • Ophelia Rump

      This is a nice list. I think you will be more objectively accurate than Nostradamus.

      • Owen Geiger

        This scenario is a little bit far out, but still possible. See what happens. Sometimes things happen more quickly than we expect.

        • Ophelia Rump

          To be fair, Nostradamus is a little less than impressive. But your list is still not too far out, it just presumes some finance level. Which will happen in time. One good order for units and billions a year can roll in to Industrial Heat. Just off the one factory.

          • Owen Geiger

            And of course with China in the game there could be dozens of factories on the drawing board. I believe it and think it’s just a matter of time. We all want this stuff to happen tomorrow, but of course it takes a lot of work to bring cutting edge technology to market.

          • GreenWin

            I like your point. Though realistically even a weed will not survive the 405 freeway, or autobahn. 🙂

    • MasterBlaster7

      I hope they don’t pull the plug on ITER. LENR may be better as an energy source. But, ITER should continue as pure science research. You know….like CERN.

  • Owen Geiger

    Here’s an optimistic yet realistic scenario if you believe like I do that IH is funded by deep pocket billionaire industrialists.
    – They nail down the patents soon.
    – Long term test results are published this month, along with a cogent explanation of the science behind LENR.
    – Announcement of orders from one or more large companies.
    – Announcement from China about their LENR research/production facilities and partnership with IH.
    – Public statements by IH.
    – Their 1MW commercial plant is opened for VIP tours, and a report is published about its efficiency.
    – Obomber gets on the bandwagon in hopes of gaining more approval. He will claim he’s been working behind the scenes all along to bring LENR to the world.
    – Announcements by NASA, DARPA, US Navy about new LENR uses for the military and spacecraft.
    – The lid is now blown off this story and so scientists, lamestream media and science rag publications are forced to start talking about LENR.
    – Media blitz with Rossi on the cover of every magazine and newspaper in the world. He becomes the new media darling.
    – The plug is pulled on hot fusion and the money re-directed to LENR.

    • Buck

      Owen,

      If what you describe comes to pass by the end of this year, then the political firestorm over the next few years will be dramatic and extremely entertaining, especially for those of us who have been watching from the sideline.

      And, I’m with you . . . it is in the realm of possibilities.

      • Owen Geiger

        There’s also the possibility of other players rolling out reports and products in the near future. They’re under the gun to produce and they know it. I’m thinking about that power plant project in S. Korea… Having multiple products from multiple companies unveiled in rapid succession would unleash massive investment and research. Large universities would open LENR advanced materials research labs to train the next generation of scientists and engineers.

        • Buck

          Knock on wood . . .

      • Pekka Janhunen

        “Political firestorm” is what they have for example in Ukraine, it’s something that one shouldn’t hope for. If a disruptive change is seen to come, it’s our duty to contribute towards making the transition orderly and peaceful while at the same time avoiding unnecessary delay, for example by having some kind of vague but collective transition roadmap.

        • georgehants

          Pekka, would you think that 25 years is “orderly and peaceful” enough, or does main-line science need another 25 years to wake-up.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Preservation of status quo is not a transition at all.

        • Buck

          Pekka,

          IMO, some of the transition is attenuated already due to the understood safety and regulatory concerns centered on a consumer LENR product. I suspect it will take 7-10 years before such a product is allowed on the market, at least in the developed countries like the US and EU.

          Regarding other elements of the “Political Firestorm”, there is nothing to be done about it. Just the knowledge of the benefits of a commercially available industrial LENR device will cause disruption for academia, government, and the fossil fuel industry IMO. It will just have to play its way through society.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            If energy gets permanently cheaper, lots of things change. People decide what to buy, where to live, where to work, where to go to school, what to become, where to invest… Answers to the questions depend on the present and especially future cost of energy. For example, lowering of apartment heating costs and commuting costs
            might cause a wave of de-urbanisation which affects real estate prices, among other things.

          • Buck

            Pekka, I believe you and I are in agreement.

            The unanswerable question is: how long will it take to transition global energy production to 90-100% clean safe LENR based sources from 0% today? And, when are the transition inflection points along this long road?

            I think it very reasonable to project that it will take 30-50 years at least.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I would guess 20 years. But as soon as there is certainty about LENR (which might in principle happen at any time), energy cost comes down and then fluctuates. That effect is fast because the present energy price is to a large extent due to its anticipated future scarcity.

          • Buck

            I prefer your “20 Years” over my “30-50 Years”. And, I agree with your assessment on the impact of LENR on energy costs.

            I find it hard to project how those whose wealth and economic survival depend upon the fossil fuel energy industry will act as a drag on the political and legal changes required to speed the transition process. It is easy to find stories describing/implying the purchase of politicians and their power.

            I don’t need to remind you that the current global energy industry is about $5Trillion . . . that is a huge amount of concentrated power.

            Just ask Mark Gibbs . . . IMO, his time with Forbes was cut short because an oil industry friend of Steve Forbes called Steve to complain.

      • GreenWin

        Buck, it will be entertaining! And hopefully a political & academic catalyst as well. LENR demonstrates the failure of government funded R&D in areas perceived threatening to industry. This must be corrected. Public funds must not be subject to lobbyist gatekeeping. Or monopolized in “national labs.” LENR/cold fusion dramatically illustrates the power of independent, anti-consensus thought. In fact, “consensus” has little place in scientific method.

        • Buck

          GW,
          Like you and all the rest here, I look forward to watching the drama unfold for my own reasons.

          However, of one thing I am fairly certain: a commercially available industrial LENR device is just a tool. IMO, it is not equivalent to nor will directly cause and bring about humanity’s spiritual maturation. But, it will certainly lay bare the lessons of which you allude.

          • bachcole

            Buck, I could not agree with you more about “it is not equivalent to nor will directly cause and bring about humanity’s spiritual maturation”. I keep harping on that here. However, do you suppose that it might be part of humanity’s spiritual maturation or emanating from the same Cause?

          • Buck

            Roger,

            it seems that you see it as an opportunity as well. Certainly, it is my hope that Man sees this as an opportunity and uses the time freed up by the discovery of LENR energy to mature. But, as always, it is a tough path requiring gumption and energy to pursue to its end, IMO.

          • bachcole

            Actually, no. The true and final Cause of the LENR revolution is also the true and final Purpose of all spiritual effort. Come on, Buck, do I have to spell it out for you with three letters?

            I see that LENR will cause human suffering based upon need to diminish and human suffering based upon desires to increase. It will be an opportunity for some people to improve their inner growth, and it will be an opportunity for some people to crash on the rocks of drugs, addictions, superficiality, and purposelessness.

          • Buck

            Roger,

            I know we are on the same page . . . maybe just reading different paragraphs. From my experience, the path of Enlightenment takes time and is driven by a personal choice to recognize and work towards that Consciousness.

            Some will say ‘Yes’, some ‘No’, and some never wake to recognize the choice.

            But IMO, LENR is just a tool like a ladder, a book, a plane that creates opportunities. It is not a substitute for Personal Choice, nor the challenges of Free Will. It may have arisen out of, but is not equivalent to, the personal evolution that is Enlightenment.

            All that aside, I think it very exciting that the E-Cat Testers have intimated they will be reporting on changes of isotopes in the upcoming report. Assuming positive results, I would think this will cause the Hot-Fusion guys to really &#it in their pants.

          • GreenWin

            Buck, one might wonder if the guys at e.g. Princeton’s PPPL, won’t swallow their pride and redirect the lab toward “nanoplasmonics” or another arcane appellation under which to study LENR. In so doing they may again lead the world in energy research and… work toward enlightened consciousness.

          • Buck

            GW,

            LOL . . . There is no doubt that once LENR becomes a culturally accepted commercially available source of energy, then all the schools with a prestigious brand to protect will waltz out with their existing barely funded labs focused upon “nanoplasmonics” . . . like Hagelstein’s lab at MIT. And the world will be “Right” again for those wedded to habits.

            But Enlightenment . . . at that point I would have to say we are talking about fundamentally different and respectable paths. Though, I do have to point to the TV show “The Big Bang Theory” to highlight the pitfalls of having an IQ of 185 with not much else to stand on.

    • Ophelia Rump

      This is a nice list. I think you will be more objectively accurate than Nostradamus.

      • Owen Geiger

        This scenario is a little bit far out, but still possible. See what happens. Sometimes things happen more quickly than we expect.

        • Ophelia Rump

          To be fair, Nostradamus is a little less than impressive. But your list is still not too far out, it just presumes some finance level. Which will happen in time. One good order for units and billions a year can roll in to Industrial Heat. Just off the one factory.

          • Owen Geiger

            And of course with China in the game there could be dozens of factories on the drawing board. I believe it and think it’s just a matter of time. We all want this stuff to happen tomorrow, but of course it takes a lot of work to bring cutting edge technology to market.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            Yes. If we look at Electricity, Phones, and computers we will realize that even the biggest game changers take 30-50 years to implement. I believe that large scale piracy of this tech (if not open source) will occur and there will be two LENR manufacturers on every street. I also believe that if LENR is the best method to make Electric Power we will see it expand faster than anything before it, especially if it can power cars.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      A big newspaper will realize LENR is awesome and write a headline just before one of their investors hears of this and has the news team fired for promoting Junk Science (mainstream term for LENR).

      Then Justin Bieber will walk into yet another glass door and occupy the screens of the nation for an entire two weeks.

      Rossi will still have us Cheering him though.. “Yay Rossi. Go Rossi Go!”

      • MasterBlaster7

        When predicting the future…always go with the cynical approach. It is more often than not the correct path. Well played FP.

        With a positive 3rd party report…and…a demonstration 1-MW plant….I think you will still hear crickets from MSM.

        You need a “bloom energy moment”…my term…where someone like Google buys one of these to run a server farm…and it works. Then you will get your MSM fix.

    • MasterBlaster7

      I hope they don’t pull the plug on ITER. LENR may be better as an energy source. But, ITER should continue as pure science research. You know….like CERN.

  • deleo77

    Another bit of second hand info that was posted on vortex said that the testers were supplied three e-cats, but only used one. If that is true I think that would say quite a bit, with the assumption that if the first one didn’t work they would have moved on to trying the other two. It would be interesting to see if Rossi would answer any questions about this.

    • Omega Z

      Done

      Frank Acland April 10th, 2014
      Dear Andrea,
      You mentioned you sent your E-Cat to the neutral location when you learned about it. Did you send multiple reactors, or only one?
      Many thanks, Frank Acland

      Andrea Rossi April 10th, 2014

      Frank Acland:
      We sent 3 of them, as spare parts, but ( this I can say) we did not have breaks or malfunctions, so far, so the spare parts are intact.
      Warm Regards, A.R.

  • roseland67

    In verita veritas

  • GreenWin

    🙂 Correct Roger. Also, I should clarify; hot fusion of any type has failed to produce even 1 Watt of useful energy. ITER will never produce useful energy.

    • Omega Z

      Fib
      Nothing unusual. Just standard procedure…

      Standard Procedure in these situations Are: $20 Million up front with a negotiated percentage of gross Factory sales. Normally starting around 2%.

      Recall the original documents called for $20 Million of which $11+ million was obtained. This went to Rossi. I can only assume, The difference will be paid upon completion of a Positive 3rd party report.

      What I’m curios about is Whom is involved behind the scenes.
      Industrial Heat is a Paper Front Entity. No Facilities of it’s own.
      This is Either all being contracted out or Some Major Entity is involved. Who have Facilities & trained personnel to collaborate with Rossi.

  • GreenWin

    It will be interesting to see how long it takes MIT and CalTech to accept LENR. I suppose not before MIT’s PSFC is shut down – or admits failure to lead.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    “IN MERCATO VERITAS” cannot work if every customer signs a Non-Disclosure Agreement stating they are not allowed to open it, admit they have one, or discuss it in any media as is his S.O.P.

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  • Fibber McGourlick

    The marketing of production e-cats would certainly transform everything as fast as they could be produced, since it would ultimately mean the end of most hydrocarbon pollution, energy cheap enough to make potable water from the seas, etc., etc. I hope it happens soon, but one thing still nags at my logical sense. Assuming the E-Cat was working properly in a controlled fashion, I can’t understand why Rossi sold his hard-won and priceless invention–the equivalent of a controlled sun on earth–for a paltry 11 or 12 million.

    • Omega Z

      Fib
      Nothing unusual. Just standard procedure…

      Standard Procedure in these situations Are: $20 Million up front with a negotiated percentage of gross Factory sales. Normally starting around 2%.

      Recall the original documents called for $20 Million of which $11+ million was obtained. This went to Rossi. I can only assume, The difference will be paid upon completion of a Positive 3rd party report.

      What I’m curios about is Whom is involved behind the scenes.
      Industrial Heat is a Paper Front Entity. No Facilities of it’s own.
      This is Either all being contracted out or Some Major Entity is involved. Who have Facilities & trained personnel to collaborate with Rossi.

  • georgehants

    Mail on-line
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    US company LPP Fusion claims to be on the brink of solving fusion
    They say they are one step away from making cleaner and greener energy
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    • GreenWin

      200X Solar temps?? “Can’t Touch This.”

  • georgehants

    Mail on-line
    Could we soon have nuclear power WITHOUT toxic waste? Focus Fusion promises cleaner energy solution
    US company LPP Fusion claims to be on the brink of solving fusion
    They say they are one step away from making cleaner and greener energy
    In March 2012 they performed a successful test of their concept
    This involved heating fusion fuel to 200 times the temperature at the centre of the sun
    Next step is to increase the density and prove their Focus Fusion worksRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2647195/Could-soon-nuclear-power-WITHOUT-toxic-waste-Focus-Fusion-promises-cleaner-energy-solution.html#ixzz33anxOD00
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    • GreenWin

      200X Solar temps?? “Can’t Touch This.”

    • bachcole

      “greener” does not necessarily mean “absolutely green”, which is what LENR+ is.

      • MasterBlaster7

        also, large and small hot fusion devices are not cheap. Depending on the tech, each unit would cost millions to billions of dollars. LENR is just basically hydrogen and nickle in a can….you could almost build it with parts from home depot and radio shack. A COP of 6 to 200 from a few thousand dollar device. The multi-billion dollar NIF and ITER (and all of the smaller, multi-million dollar hot fusion devices) have yet to produce a COP of 1.0000001

        Hey bach….what is the difference between LENR and LENR+ ?

        • bachcole

          I guess that it is not well defined and can’t be well defined. But using a fuzzy definition, LENR is any excess heat, gamma rays, neutrons, etc. LENR+ is when it does not require highly sophisticated and expensive equipment to determine that one has excess heat, that the excess heat is so great that even a middle schooler (who wasn’t a skeptopath) could see that there was excess heat, like 10’s or 100’s of watts excess.

  • Buck

    Roger,

    I know we are on the same page . . . maybe just reading different paragraphs. From my experience, the path of Enlightenment takes time and is driven by a personal choice to recognize and work towards that Consciousness.

    Some will say ‘Yes’, some ‘No’, and some never wake to recognize the choice.

    But, IMO, in the end LENR is just a tool, like a ladder, a book, a plane that creates opportunities. It is not a substitute for Personal Choice, nor the challenges of Free Will. It may have arisen out of, but is not equivalent to, the personal evolution that is Enlightenment.

    All that aside, I think it very exciting that the E-Cat Testers have intimated they will be reporting on changes of isotopes in the upcoming report. Assuming positive results, I would think this will cause the Hot-Fusion guys to &#it in their pants.

    • GreenWin

      Buck, one might wonder if the guys at e.g. Princeton’s PPPL, won’t swallow their pride and redirect the lab toward “nanoplasmonics” or another arcane appellation under which to study LENR. In so doing they may again lead the world in energy research and… work toward enlightened consciousness.

      • Buck

        GW,

        LOL . . . There is no doubt that once LENR becomes a culturally accepted commercially available source of energy, then all the schools with a prestigious brand to protect will waltz out with their existing barely funded labs focused upon “nanoplasmonics” . . . like Hagelstein’s lab at MIT. And the world will be “Right” again.

        But Enlightenment . . . at that point I would have to say we are talking about fundamentally different and respectable paths. Though, I do have to point to the TV show “The Big Bang Theory” to highlight the pitfalls of having an IQ of 185.

  • MasterBlaster7

    also, large and small hot fusion devices are not cheap. Depending on the tech, each unit would cost millions to billions of dollars. LENR is just basically hydrogen and nickle in a can….you could almost build it with parts from home depot and radio shack. A COP of 6 to 200 from a few thousand dollar device. The multi-billion dollar NIF and ITER (and all of the smaller, multi-million dollar hot fusion devices) have yet to produce a COP of 1.0000001

    Hey bach….what is the difference between LENR and LENR+ ?

  • MasterBlaster7

    When predicting the future…always go with the cynical approach. It is more often than not the correct path. Well played FP.

    With a positive 3rd party report…and…a demonstration 1-MW plant….I think you will still hear crickets from MSM.

    You need a “bloom energy moment”…my term…where someone like Google buys one of these to run a server farm…and it works. Then you will get your MSM fix.

  • Kevin O

    Here’s how I think it will go down based upon long term observation and Rossi’s hints.

    It will be a positive TIP report. The TIP report will be ignored in the industry.

    Rossi & IH will announce that they intend to demo to their patent application which was denied recently due to being “impossible”, similar to how the Wright brothers were denied publication of an article in Scientific American because such a thing was impossible.

    Rossi will set up Hydrofusion to do a public demo. Whoever wants to pay the $5 fee can go & see a cold fusion reactor working in the field. IH will propose that their patent demo should take place on this site. It is intended to create the same kind of media circus that the Wright brothers created for their demos.

    The industry will be turned on its head before Rossi is even granted the patent. CYPW Cyclone Power stock will skyrocket. Oil futures will plummet. Bye bye, petrol-funded terrorism. Huge patent wars will break out, just like what happened when dozens of people stole the Wright brothers’ IP (like Glenn Curtiss), but it won’t be resolved in the same manner. That’s because it was a patent mashup effort by the military in WWI that forced the Wright brothers’ hand and gave shysters like Curtiss more than their fair market share.

    The way I view Rossi is that he’s like Daniel Boone. He will lead everyone to the green pastures of the Ohio Valley but he won’t think the end result was worth the effort because so many of those who came after him trampled on the beautiful territories he opened up.