Rossi: 'Please be Patient'

Since we are now in June, I decided I would take a chance on the Journal of Nuclear Physics and ask Andrea Rossi if he was still expecting the third party report to be published in the second or third week of June, as he had recently mentioned he had been told would be the likely timing of its release.

This was his response to me:

The timing of the publication are totally out of my control. The results will be extremely important, positive or negative as they might be. Please do not ask me anymore the scheduling of a thing that is totally indipendent from me and completely out of my control. Please be patient.

This wasn’t a confirmation or a denial that there would be a mid-June publication — but his request for patience, and his emphasis of his lack of control of the process has me wondering if we might be waiting beyond the third week of June for the publication of the report.

More waiting is probably the last thing that anyone here wants, but I think it’s best to be realistic in these matters, and not get too discouraged if we find we must wait longer than we might be hoping to. Who knows what the testers, writers, reviewers and publishers might be doing at the moment. If the results are very significant there might be some preparations to be made to deal with a lot of attention that would surely come to them.

  • Godot

    I thought we were being patient…

  • Godot

    I thought we were being patient…

    • Broncobet

      We were waiting for you.

    • Broncobet

      We were waiting for YOU.

  • At this point the least they could do is actually say that they have tested and when they will release the results.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Have you considered that Rossi may be feeling a little impatient himself. I suspect you simply irritated his own sense of frustrated impatience.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Have you considered that Rossi may be feeling a little impatient himself. I suspect you simply irritated his own sense of frustrated impatience.

  • we-cat

    Dear Frank,

    What does Mats have to say on the matter? He probably has good contacts with at least one of the testers, right?

    JB

  • Andreas Moraitis

    It’s Rossi’s birthday today. I hope that IH or even the 3rd party have some nice present for him.

    • TomR

      Happy Birthday Andrea Rossi!

  • Andreas Moraitis

    It’s Rossi’s birthday today. I hope that IH or even the 3rd party have some nice present for him.

    • TomR

      Happy Birthday Andrea Rossi!

  • Gerard McEk

    I am patient …tab….tab….tab. Check Ecad World…. Nothing?…Arch!….. I am patient …tab tab…

    • Yo Hobie

      Lol…there is comfort in being among you all. I can’t wait for the report so I can go back to being productive at work!

  • Owen Geiger

    Let’s give Rossi a break.

    • PD

      Agree – patience is required. I am hoping that the publication will have the same global impact that Fleischmann and Pons achieved 25 years ago. This announcement will be backed up with thousands of hours of peer reviewed data that will be impossible for the global scientific community and media to ignore.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        It was hard to reproduce at the time but it was no illusion.

  • Owen Geiger

    Let’s give Rossi a break.

    • PD

      Agree – patience is required. I am hoping that the publication will have the same global impact that Fleischmann and Pons achieved 25 years ago. This announcement will be backed up with thousands of hours of peer reviewed data that will be impossible for the global scientific community and media to ignore.

      I still vividly remember the scientists on the front of Time Magazine, which back in the pre Internet days was a prestigious achievement. Attached is the link to the edition published on May 8 1989 with headline “Fusion or Illusion”. Sadly the latter part of the headline was correct. The upside is that it encouraged scientific research in the LENR field that has continued to this day.

      http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19890508,00.html

      The opening paragraph from the Time Magazine article (available via the attached link) is:

      “Little more than a month ago, they were just two chemists, toiling in virtual anonymity. But B. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann came last week to Washington as heroes, visionaries and scientific superstars. With a mob of reporters following along, the thermodynamic duo marched onto Capitol Hill to tell Congress how their simple tabletop experiment had generated fusion, the nuclear reaction that powers the sun. Displaying slides filled with complex equations, wielding electronic pointers and pulling a mockup of their apparatus from a plastic shopping bag, the bespectacled researchers mesmerized the members of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology …..”

      • Alan DeAngelis

        It was hard to reproduce at the time but it was no illusion.

  • IrishEyes

    Give the man a bit of space. Anyone would get sick of giving the same response over and over in answer to being asked the same question over and over. Can’t believe the 3rd party testing is in Lugano Sweeden. I was on holidays at Lake Como , Italy last year – so close!

    • Teemu Soilamo

      The testing is not done in Sweden, as confirmed by Hanno Essen.

      • T-mon

        This Lugano is anyway in Switzerland not Sweden.

        • Teemu Soilamo

          Right ;D Lugano, Sweden is an oxymoron.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    I think this is Rossi’s human side showing. We’d like to think he’s a tireless drone and an unstoppable force of nature–and quite frankly, he is–but I know he can be quite irritable and moody based on Mats Lewan’s book. In other words, Rossi doesn’t always conduct himself in the most “logical” way possible. 🙂

  • 888

    Why one has to be impatient? Last year report already tells positive results thats good enough for me, else just a matter of time.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I agree, this is just rehash of year old negativism, time to update to current facts.

  • 888

    Why one has to be impatient? Last year report already tells positive results thats good enough for me, else just a matter of time.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I agree, this is just rehash of year old negativism, time to update to current facts.

  • Matt Smart

    It has been great that Frank and AR have been in regular contact over the years, Rossi is fully aware of E-Cat World and its many followers and must count us and ECW as great allies. After the report comes out, hopefully the great, positive news we have all been waiting for, IH will power up their PR machine and take some of the pressure off of Rossi to respond all of the time. I’m surprised IH haven’t said more in the run up to the independent report coming out and have left it all to Rossi? My only guess is that they are getting ready for a tidal wave of attention? I hope..

    • Daniel Maris

      Well the positive reading is that they are simply getting ready for large scale production in China and want to be in a position where that starts before they go on a PR offensive.

      The negative reading is that they have doubts!

  • Matt Smart

    It has been great that Frank and AR have been in regular contact over the years, Rossi is fully aware of E-Cat World and its many followers and must count us and ECW as great allies. After the report comes out, hopefully the great, positive news we have all been waiting for, IH will power up their PR machine and take some of the pressure off of Rossi to respond all of the time. I’m surprised IH haven’t said more in the run up to the independent report coming out and have left it all to Rossi? My only guess is that they are getting ready for a tidal wave of attention? I hope..

  • Private Citizen

    Dear Eng. Rossi,

    How about a demo of a self-looped ECAT while we wait? Certainly you have overcome the engineering challenge of the device not knowing whether its power source is a tank of propane or electric heater v. its own output heat by now.

    • Paul

      I agree that this is the ONLY demo the public waits for, not a plant of a probably fictitious customer. If they have only one engineer in their team, IH will not have problems to build a stand-alone Hot-Cat plant. It is not theoretical physics, it’s engineering!

      • Ophelia Rump

        Uh, Its not a public demo. No no no no no, it is not.

        Sorry boys, they are doing business, not trying to kiss up to you.

  • Private Citizen

    Dear Eng. Rossi,

    How about a demo of a self-looped ECAT while we wait? Certainly you have overcome the engineering challenge of the device not knowing whether its power source is a tank of propane or electric heater v. its own output heat by now.

    • Paul

      I agree that this is the ONLY demo the public waits for, not a plant of a probably fictitious customer. If they have only one engineer in their team, IH will not have problems to build a stand-alone Hot-Cat plant. It is not theoretical physics, it’s engineering!

      • Ophelia Rump

        Uh, Its not a public demo. No no no no no, it is not.

        Sorry boys, they are doing business, not trying to kiss up to you.

    • Lu

      I would be happy with some kind of isotopic analysis of NI before and after the E-Cat ran which should show some kind of transmutation of the NI. This would be a slam dunk case for me. *Supposedly* this was done once by Kullander with negative results (per recent Swedish radio show) but this should be easy to do and probably without disclosing the actual composition of the E-Cat fuel (just look at the NI). The results could even be such that the composition of the E-Cat fuel showed nuclear transmutations without actually identifying the actual elements nor their percentages.

  • bachcole
  • Peter

    http://www.nyteknik.se/asikter/debatt/article3830568.ece

    “We assessed the results of the Ferrara experiment to be interesting enough to continue test experiments. Such tests have now been concluded and the results will be published in a scientific article”

    Bo Höistad, professor emeritus i kärnfysik
    Torbjörn Hartman, strålskyddsansvarig, Svedberglaboratoriet
    Roland Pettersson, pensionerad lektor i fysikalisk och analytisk kemi
    Lars Tegnér, fysikalisk kemist
    samtliga vid Uppsala -universitet

    Hanno Essén, docent i teoretisk fysik och lektor, KTH

  • barty
    • Daniel Maris

      The Svedberg Lab? Seems quite likely.

    • GreenWin

      It would be fitting for this E-Cat validation to come from The École polytechnique fédérale de Lausanne (Switzerland.) Here they are focused on polariton quasiparticles as they perform in BECs. http://loeq.epfl.ch/page-30925-en.html

      This is the avenue NASA LaRC takes to explain LENR. It is also the university that Albert Einstein graduated from.

      • Buck

        Ignoring the theory that Wikipedia is worthless:

        LINK>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_F%C3%A9d%C3%A9rale_de_Lausanne

        Reputation

        EPFL is considered to be among the world’s most prestigious universities in technology. The three most influential and widely observed international university rankings, QS World University Rankings, Academic Ranking of World Universities and Times Higher Education World University Rankings ranks EPFL No. 2, No. 1 and No. 2 respectively in the field of Engineering and Technology on continental Europe in their 2013–2014 rankings. In the rankings EPFL competes with Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial College London and its rival sister-institution, ETH Zurich, for the European top five spots in Engineering and Technology.

        QS World University Ranking 2013 ranks EPFL world No. 19, reaching world No. 8 in engineering and world No. 13 in the natural science subcategories.

        Academic Ranking of World Universities 2013 ranks EPFL world No. 13 and
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        EPFL typically scores high on faculty to student ratio, international outlook and scientific impact. The specialised CWTS Leiden Ranking that “aims to provide highly accurate measurements of the scientific impact of universities” ranks EPFL world No. 13 and No. 1 in Europe in the 2013 rankings for all the sciences.

        The reputation of EPFL as a strong research institution has been further strengthened by a number of high-profile projects, the most notable of these being the Blue Brain Project that in 2013 secured a 0.5 Billion Euro Flagship Grant from the European Commission.

  • barty
    • GreenWin

      It would be fitting for this E-Cat validation to come from The École polytechnique fédérale de Lausanne (Switzerland.) Here they are focused on polariton quasiparticles as they perform in BECs. http://loeq.epfl.ch/page-30925-en.html

      This is the avenue NASA LaRC takes to explain LENR. It is also the university that Albert Einstein graduated from.

      • Buck

        GW, ignoring the theory that Wikipedia is worthless:

        LINK>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_F%C3%A9d%C3%A9rale_de_Lausanne

        Reputation

        EPFL is considered to be among the world’s most prestigious universities in technology. The three most influential and widely observed international university rankings, QS World University Rankings, Academic Ranking of World Universities and Times Higher Education World University Rankings ranks EPFL No. 2, No. 1 and No. 2 respectively in the field of Engineering and Technology on continental Europe in their 2013–2014 rankings. In the rankings EPFL competes with Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial College London and its rival sister-institution, ETH Zurich, for the European top five spots in Engineering and Technology.

        QS World University Ranking 2013 ranks EPFL world No. 19, reaching world No. 8 in engineering and world No. 13 in the natural science subcategories.

        Academic Ranking of World Universities 2013 ranks EPFL world No. 13 and
        Europe No. 2 in the Engineering, Technology and Computer Sciences subcategory, behind Cambridge and notably ahead of ETH Zurich and American namebrand universities such as Caltech and Princeton. THE World University Rankings 2013–2014 ranks EPFL world No. 37 and world No. 15 in the engineering subcategory.

        EPFL typically scores high on faculty to student ratio, international outlook and scientific impact. The specialised CWTS Leiden Ranking that “aims to provide highly accurate measurements of the scientific impact of universities” ranks EPFL world No. 13 and No. 1 in Europe in the 2013 rankings for all the sciences.

        The reputation of EPFL as a strong research institution has been further strengthened by a number of high-profile projects, the most notable of these being the Blue Brain Project that in 2013 secured a 0.5 Billion Euro Flagship Grant from the European Commission.

  • Facepalm

    Swedish researchers imply that the E-Cat works

    http://www.nyteknik.se/asikter/debatt/article3830568.ece

  • Barbierir

    The professors of the tpr2 defend their work in an article on NyTeknik, against the attacks from the swedish radio
    http://www.nyteknik.se/asikter/debatt/article3830568.ece

  • GreenWin

    Happy Birthday Dr. Rossi! Thanks for making life a little more fun… and creative. 🙂

  • GreenWin

    Happy Birthday Dr. Rossi! Thanks for making life a little more fun… and creative. 🙂