Rossi Comments on Humanitarian Commitment

In Mats Lewan’s book An Impossible Invention there’s an interesting account of how Andrea Rossi, in prison, made a vow to God that if he could bring his E-Cat project to fruition that he would commit on half of his monetary gain for the care of children with cancer whose families were unable to afford treatment.

Rossi also has indicated that Industrial Heat shares his philosophy — one aspect of which he described as being willing to ‘give back the money we earn as much as possible to cure cancer in children in the World’, and I am sure this was a condition of Rossi’s selling his technology.

Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics Rossi made a statement on this topic:

To the Readers:
There is one thing that disturbs me, that is circulationg in minor blogs that have been reported to me: I am accused not to respect my honour word to spend relevant part of the profits produced by the Rossi Effect for the healthcare of children that cannot afford proper healthcare. I gave my word on this issue, and I always do what I say, even if this will not be trumpeted around.
In due time and in due sites we will give information of this endeavour of us. I am very upset to have to write about this, but, unfortunately, the mother of the imbeciles is always pregnant and we must take care of what pops out.
Andrea Rossi

It seems that Rossi has not forgotten this commitment, and knowing a little of his singlemindedness and determination I fully expect he will carry through with fulfilling this vow.

  • Alan DeAngelis
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  • bachcole

    I don’t understand how Rossi could make such a commitment in prison when he had not yet discovered the LENR+ effect soon to be named after him.

    • clovis ray

      well, he was not in prison when i heard of it. maybe frank can find the conversation about what he had said on the subject, it was a good ways back, i’m quite sure i commented on it,

    • Frank Acland

      His time in prison was when he started in earnest to work on LENR. See this comment today:

      “In my life I had to overcome many, many, many very, very negative events and to survive I developed a skill to turn into positive a negative event: for example, when I have been put in prison for crimes I never made, I told to myself: ” what a wonderful occasion to study the LENR: now I lost everything I had, all my time can be dedicated to this”. It worked.”

      • clovis ray

        thanks , frank.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    This actually increases my confidence in Rossi. I mean, imagine a conman invoking children with cancer to boost his credibility. That’s not someone who’s merely misguided, but friggin EVIL. Is Rossi evil? I don’t think so…

  • bachcole

    I hope that Rossi realizes that most charitable organizations are a scam, even the famous and legal ones. Most of their money goes to administration. For this to work, Rossi should create his own foundation with ONE person employed at say $60,000 per year, and this guy looks for and finds needy children. If this money is handed out to say the American Cancer Society, well, that would just be a complete waste of money. Most of their money (the MAJORITY) goes to administration, and the rest goes exclusively to establishment cancer research that is trapped in a paradigm that does not work.

    • clovis ray

      i agree,

    • Owen Geiger

      There are hundreds of videos on YouTube of cancer patients who have healed themselves with simple, natural therapies. Mainstream medical, mainstream media, mainstream education, whatever mainstream is full of lies and half truths.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Dr. Stanilov Burzynski. Found a very simple endogenous compound in healthy people that is absent (3% of normal) in people with cancer. It’s just the phenyl acetic acid conjugate of glutamine. When it’s administered to patients with cancer (like children with tennis ball size brain tumors) it causes apoptosis (cell death) of the tumor.
        The Burzynski story is a lot like Rossi’s

        • Omega Z

          I read about these cases & it appears to me that many times fact could be filtered from fiction & a real test could be done.
          Sadly, Money to often speaks over facts.

        • Owen Geiger

          Exactly. I’m well aware of his research and how he’s been repeatedly thrashed by the powers that be. We’re supposed to believe the way to health is through cutting, burning and poisoning our bodies.

          I’m particularly interested though in simple measures people have taken to improve their diet.

        • Ken

          I live in Houston where Dr. Burzynski has a clinic. As a cabbie in H-town for 20+ years I have taken many to that clinic. They come from all over the world. Most didn’t seem to be in very good shape. ie bald from other cancer treatments that didn”t work. The FDA won’t allow Dr. B to expand to other states as it is not an FDA approved drug, but the State of Texas allows him to operate here.
          I use sodium di-cloro acetate for my ‘problem’ and it seems to work for me. It’s cheap and available without a prescription. See the U of Toronto for studies on it.
          Ken

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Yeah, I think veterinarians use sodium dichloroacetate. If it works on dogs it should work on us.

  • bachcole

    I hope that Rossi realizes that most charitable organizations are a scam, even the famous and legal ones. Most of their money goes to administration. For this to work, Rossi should create his own foundation with ONE person employed at say $60,000 per year, and this guy looks for and finds needy children. If this money is handed out to say the American Cancer Society, well, that would just be a complete waste of money. Most of their money (the MAJORITY) goes to administration, and the rest goes exclusively to establishment cancer research that is trapped in a paradigm that does not work.

    • clovis ray

      i agree,

    • Owen Geiger

      There are hundreds of videos on YouTube of cancer patients who have healed themselves with simple, natural therapies. Mainstream medical, mainstream media, mainstream education, whatever mainstream is full of lies and half truths.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Dr. Stanilov Burzynski. Found a very simple endogenous compound in healthy people that is absent (3% of normal) in people with cancer. It’s just the phenyl acetic acid conjugate of glutamine. When it’s administered to patients with cancer (like children with tennis ball size brain tumors) it causes apoptosis (cell death) of the tumor.
        The Burzynski story is a lot like Rossi’s

        • Omega Z

          I read about these cases & it appears to me that many times fact could be filtered from fiction & a real test could be done.
          Sadly, Money to often speaks over facts.

          • bachcole

            The neat thing about Rossi and LENR+ is that there will be undeniable proof. The Dean Edells and other skeptopaths will NOT be able to make excuses like the cancer was misdiagnosed or whatever. And when LENR+ is proven to be true, we can use that to discredit the so-called experts of health who say that nothing works except the things that they make money off of.

        • Owen Geiger

          Exactly. I’m well aware of his research and how he’s been repeatedly thrashed by the powers that be. We’re supposed to believe the way to health is through cutting, burning and poisoning our bodies.

          I’m particularly interested though in simple measures people have taken to heal themselves by improving their diet.

        • kenko1

          I live in Houston where Dr. Burzynski has a clinic. As a cabbie in H-town for 20+ years I have taken many to that clinic. They come from all over the world. Most didn’t seem to be in very good shape. ie bald from other cancer treatments that didn”t work. The FDA won’t allow Dr. B to expand to other states as it is not an FDA approved drug, but the State of Texas allows him to operate here.
          I use sodium di-cloro acetate for my ‘problem’ and it seems to work for me. It’s cheap and available without a prescription. See the U of Toronto for studies on it.
          Ken

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Yeah, I think veterinarians use sodium dichloroacetate. If it works on dogs it should work on us.

          • kenko1

            It was approved by the FDA long ago(50’s 60’s ??) IIRC for treatment of some types of children’s kidneys ailments. Cancer is an ‘off label’ use that works for some people. No dog research that I’m aware of though.
            A close relative uses Lasix, which they give to thoroughbreds to minimize bleeding in their lungs.
            Probably lots of other drugs have cross species applications.
            Ken

      • bachcole

        I have made great headway with my pinched nerve, inflammation, and type 2 diabetes. I don’t know if I will ever be cured, but I know that depending upon the medical profession is not a good idea.

        • Owen Geiger

          Check out Dr. Neal Barnard in case you haven’t already. He seems to be getting very good results treating diabetes patients.
          http://www.nealbarnard.org/

    • Omega Z

      Roger
      Rossi concurs with you.
      It is his plan to deal directly with the patient skipping the middle people for the exact reasons you post. Likely he’ll have to set up his own “little”organization to accomplish this.

  • clovis ray

    well, guys i sure i speak for everyone here at ECW when i say thanks for keeping your word about the little children,this has always been on my mind since he made the remark about it long ago, and I want to just add I think Dr. Rossi has always kept his word, with a very few exceptions
    and then it was unavoidable. I think he is a devout christian and i knows it’s a sin to lie.

  • clovis ray

    well, he was not in prison when i heard of it. maybe frank can find the conversation about what he had said on the subject, it was a good ways back, i’m quite sure i commented on it,

  • Fibb

    I think it would be better if Rossi committed to bring clean safe water to all the world’s children. he would have a much bigger impact that way.

    • GreenWin

      Fibb, good point. That is part of the plan, assuredly.

    • Omega Z

      Clean water will be a natural progression of it’s own.
      Providing the kind of help Rossi proposes isn’t so much.

      I would guess many here would have varying views on priorities.
      Tho Rossi’s may be different from others, At least it is a worthy cause.

      Some would opt for fast cars & faster women.

      • I could only handle the fast cars these days…

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Rossi’s invention has the potential of producing far more philanthropic wealth than children’s health research could absorb. Bill Gates has had to spread his giving to many areas and Rossi’s wealth could potentially exceed Gates’. I doubt Rossi will be calling on us for philanthropic advice.

    • Ophelia Rump

      And what do you think limitless free power will contribute to the availablity of desalinated and filtered water around the world? Water pumps, water desalination, water filtering.

      His invention is the greatest gift to mankind ever and you demand that he supports your favorite charity. Shame on you, shame shame shame. You should go do 50 hours of community service at a Salvation Army for atonement. Go do something worth while young man. Incorrigible that is what this is, incorrigible.

    • Job001

      The cost of clean safe water is mostly for energy now, with cheap energy it will be mostly capital cost for pumps and distillation or RO(reverse osmosis) and plumbing. Cheap energy is the biggest factor.
      Clean water is a secondary purpose best left to the free market, Governments, and philanthropy, IMO because people everywhere need to decide what is most important for them to spend their funds on rather than have dictators or other tyrants or even the “well meaning folks” try to think or decide for them.

    • bachcole

      He probably didn’t think it through thoroughly when he was sitting in jail making a commitment to God. I envision him expanding his commitment to all children having a tough time.

  • ecatworld

    His time in prison was when he started in earnest to work on LENR. See this comment today:

    “In my life I had to overcome many, many, many very, very negative events and to survive I developed a skill to turn into positive a negative event: for example, when I have been put in prison for crimes I never made, I told to myself: ” what a wonderful occasion to study the LENR: now I lost everything I had, all my time can be dedicated to this”. It worked.”

  • GreenWin

    Fibb, good point. That is part of the plan, assuredly.

  • GreenWin

    Is it really a wonder that Dotorre’s intent to use LENR to benefit the most disenfranchised of children has garnered the attention and support of the galactic community? Is it a “wonder…” or a pragmatic application of divine consciousness?

    • georgehants

      GreenWin, maybe just one of those rare events, where caring for others and not just one’s self, that the corrupt use of capitalism has so encouraged in our society.
      Leaders who teach empathy, unheard of.
      Mr. Rossi has chosen to care for Cancer victims but I am sure he is very aware that his discoveries could also lead to the saving or improvement of millions of lives on this Earth.
      Every person who from the beginning has in any way delayed the Research etc. of Cold Fusion, is guilty of potential murder.
      As I personally, based entirely on good solid EVIDENCE think that we live in a reality of reincarnation then all our actions are simply chances to improve ourselves.
      Please, those that do not understand the word EVIDENCE, do not reply to my comment.
      Please, those who have no idea how to Research a subject, do not reply to my comment.
      Please, those who wish to ask a fair question on a subject completely (I think) on topic regarding Mr. Rossi’s statement, ask away.

  • GreenWin

    Is it really a wonder that Dotorre’s intent to use LENR to benefit the most disenfranchised of children has garnered the attention and support of the galactic community? Is it a “wonder…” or a pragmatic application of divine consciousness?

    • bachcole

      Understand that Rossi is a conservatively religious person, and he promised God, and that is that.

      • georgehants

        Roger please do not tell me what to understand, I make my own points if you wish to respond, please do.

    • georgehants

      GreenWin, maybe just one of those rare events, where caring for others and not just one’s self, that the corrupt use of capitalism has so encouraged in our society.
      Leaders who teach empathy, unheard of.
      Mr. Rossi has chosen to care for Cancer victims but I am sure he is very aware that his discoveries could also lead to the saving or improvement of millions of lives on this Earth.
      Every person who from the beginning has in any way delayed the Research etc. of Cold Fusion, is guilty of potential murder.
      As I personally, based entirely on good solid EVIDENCE think that we live in a reality of reincarnation then all our actions are simply chances to improve ourselves.
      Please, those that do not understand the word EVIDENCE, do not reply to my comment.
      Please, those who have no idea how to Research a subject, do not reply to my comment.
      Please, those who wish to ask a fair question on a subject (reincarnation) completely (I think) on topic regarding Mr. Rossi’s statement, ask away.

  • Omega Z

    Clean water will be a natural progression of it’s own.
    Providing the kind of help Rossi proposes isn’t so much.

    I would guess many here would have varying views on priorities.
    Tho Rossi’s may be different from others, At least it is a worthy cause.

    Some would opt for fast cars & faster women.

    • Fortyniner

      I could only handle the fast cars these days…

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Rossi’s invention has the potential of producing far more philanthropic wealth than children’s health research could absorb. Bill Gates has had to spread his giving to many areas and Rossi’s wealth could potentially exceed Gates’. I doubt Rossi will be calling on us for philanthropic advice.

  • Pierre Ordinaire

    What we know for sure (it’s on public records) is that Rossi is spending a lot of his money buying condos in Florida.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I just researched every real estate transaction in florida with the Name Andrea Rossi.

      And while in the history of florida there have been five, none of those purchases are newer than 2002. You are a very irresponsible young man making accusations like that without taking the effort to look for yourself. It is highly questionable that any of those belong to our Italian inventor.

      Do not be a layabout young man, use due diligence!

      Source:

      https://www.myfloridacounty.com/ori/search.do

      FromToDateDocument TypeCountyInstrument NumberBook/PagePagesDescription

      LARSON PAULROSSI ANDREA J, ROSSI DAVID F04/18/1997DEEDVOLUSIA19970640504194/18972LT 43 ELLISON HOMES INC

      TRIBBLE RUTHIEROSSI MICHAEL & ANDREA, ROSSI ANDREA (M)05/04/2000DEEDPALM BEACH2000016502211758/15511RAINBERRY LK 4B L196

      ROSSI ANDREA, ROSSI MICHAELFLUGEL RODOLFO06/18/2002DEEDPALM BEACH2002030869913817/7041RAINBERRY LK 4B L196

      G L HOMES OF PALM BEACH ASSOCIATES II LTDROSSI ANDREA, ROSSI MICHAEL07/03/2002DEEDPALM BEACH2002033725413871/12501NAUTICA ILS 4 L356

      HOLIDAY BUILDERS INCROSSI,ANDREA, ROSSI,RICHARD JR11/23/2002DEEDFLAGLER2002043325866/15971LT 12 BL 34 PC S33 RP

      • Fortyniner

        Thanks OR for taking the time to categorically debunk this typical unfounded slur on Rossi by a troll or someone acting like one. Misinformation relies on passive acceptance of false statements, and falls apart the instant anyone digs up the actual facts.

      • Pierre Ordinaire

        Ophelia, let me explain to you how a corporation works…

        Seriously, it’s enough for me if Rossi fixes the world’s energy problems, he doesn’t also have to be a saint.

        • Omega Z

          I don’t understand why people are concerned about Rossi recovering/recouping his sacrifices & what he has or doesn’t have.
          .
          I’m sure If you worked for me for 15 years without compensation and at the end of that time I paid you a lump sum for those years of your labor & expenses, You would exclaim that I had paid you waay to much.
          Right?

          Didn’t think so. It is justified compensation for what you’ve done.
          Or should I take back that pay check.

  • Hope4Dbest

    What we know for sure (it’s on public records) is that Rossi is spending a lot of his money buying condos in Florida.

    • bachcole

      And this is a significant data point because . . . . . . . . <>

    • Ophelia Rump

      I just researched every real estate transaction in Florida with the Name Andrea Rossi.

      And while in the history of florida there have been five, none of those purchases are newer than 2002.

      You are a very irresponsible young man making accusations like that without taking the effort to look for yourself. It is highly questionable that any of those belong to our Italian inventor. The third transaction was a sale by an Andrea Rossi, not a purchase.

      Do not be a layabout young man, use due diligence! And stop associating with hoodlums and hooligans who spread such filthy lies.

      Source:

      https://www.myfloridacounty.com/ori/search.do

      FromToDateDocument TypeCountyInstrument NumberBook/PagePagesDescription

      LARSON PAULROSSI ANDREA J, ROSSI DAVID F04/18/1997DEEDVOLUSIA19970640504194/18972LT 43 ELLISON HOMES INC

      TRIBBLE RUTHIEROSSI MICHAEL & ANDREA, ROSSI ANDREA (M)05/04/2000DEEDPALM BEACH2000016502211758/15511RAINBERRY LK 4B L196

      ROSSI ANDREA, ROSSI MICHAELFLUGEL RODOLFO06/18/2002DEEDPALM BEACH2002030869913817/7041RAINBERRY LK 4B L196

      G L HOMES OF PALM BEACH ASSOCIATES II LTDROSSI ANDREA, ROSSI MICHAEL07/03/2002DEEDPALM BEACH2002033725413871/12501NAUTICA ILS 4 L356

      HOLIDAY BUILDERS INCROSSI,ANDREA, ROSSI,RICHARD JR11/23/2002DEEDFLAGLER2002043325866/15971LT 12 BL 34 PC S33 RP

      • bachcole

        Welcome back, Ophelia. You haven’t seen Maxfield Q Norse lately, have you?

        • pg

          mmmhh, I think their style is different, although they seem to never be in the same place at the same time…

          • bachcole

            Yes, Ophelia does sort of come off feminine, so perhaps I am wrong. Or perhaps he/she is merely assuming a different gender roll in order to throw us off the trail. (:->)

      • Thanks OR for taking the time to categorically debunk this typical unfounded slur on Rossi by a troll. Misinformation relies on passive acceptance of false statements, and falls apart the instant anyone checks the facts.

        Better luck next time, PO.

        • Veblin

          Hope4DBest seems to be the name used here by one of the main skeptics from ECN. They are right that Rossi has invested more in Miami Beach, FL in the South Beach area since the Industrial Heat buy out.

          REFC REAL ESTATE CORP has 15 properties.
          https://www.miamidade.county-taxes.com/public/search?search_query=REFC%20REAL%20ESTATE%20CORP;category=all
          16 properties if you include one his wife owns.
          https://www.miamidade.county-taxes.com/public/search?search_query=1331%20LINCOLN%20RD%20%23%20601;category=all

          3 are in one building and seem to be Home, Office and Guest properties.
          All these properties are in a small area and we do not know which are related to Andrea Rossi’s work or are just investments. I see nothing wrong here but it does seem to really bother skeptics.

          • bachcole

            I guess people bothered by Rossi’s investments are unconsciously looking for Jesus and are frustrated with their failures. Rossi is a human being, just in case any of you didn’t realize that.

          • Omega Z

            “but it does seem to really bother skeptics”

            Haa, Rossi should buy more. 🙂

            Actually, This would be verification that Rossi has sold his technology & increases the odds that it is all real.
            That’s what “really bother skeptics”

          • bachcole

            Yes, where did Rossi get all of that money all of a sudden? Perhaps Sterling Allen gave it to him so as to stoke pesn.com’s ratings.

          • Frechette

            Pierre Ordinaire is a Skeptic extraordinaire.

      • Hope4Dbest

        Ophelia, let me explain to you how a corporation works…

        Seriously, it’s enough for me if Rossi fixes the world’s energy problems, he doesn’t also have to be a saint.

        • Omega Z

          I don’t understand why people are concerned about Rossi recovering/recouping his sacrifices & what he has or doesn’t have.
          .
          I’m sure If you worked for me for 15 years without compensation and at the end of that time I paid you a lump sum for those years of your labor & expenses, You would exclaim that I had paid you waay to much.
          Right?

          Didn’t think so. It is justified compensation for what you’ve done.
          Or should I take back that pay check.

  • Gerard McEk

    Let us just hope Ecat brings him the wealth we all expect. His phylantrophy comes later.

  • Gerard McEk

    Let us just hope Ecat brings him the wealth we all expect. His phylantrophy comes later.

  • Ophelia Rump

    And what do you think limitless free power will do for the available of desalinated and filtered water around the world? Water pumps, water desalination, water filtering.

    You have shown the worst kind of ingratitude possible. You should think before you utter such nonsense! His invention is the greatest gift to mankind ever and you demand that he supports your favorite charity or he is somehow less than decent. Shame on you, shame shame shame. You should go do 50 hours of community service at a Salvation Army for atonement. Go do something worth while young man and stop criticizing others.

  • georgehants

    From Cold Fusion Now
    Edmund Storms’ “The Explanation of LENR” provides “physical science based model”
    http://coldfusionnow.org/edmund-storms-the-explanation-of-lenr-provides-physical-science-based-model/

    • steve high

      I’m going to have to be a bit of a wag here and point out that the cover of Storms’ new book looks like a bunch of egg-entrapped sperm attempting to have a conversation-the perfect metaphor for the post-modern male

      • georgehants

        steve, wonderful, what is that conversation about?

  • georgehants

    From Cold Fusion Now
    Edmund Storms’ “The Explanation of LENR” provides “physical science based model”
    http://coldfusionnow.org/edmund-storms-the-explanation-of-lenr-provides-physical-science-based-model/

    • steve high

      I’m going to have to be a bit of a wag here and point out that the cover of Storms’ new book looks like a bunch of egg-entrapped sperm attempting to have a conversation-the perfect metaphor for the post-modern male

      • georgehants

        steve, wonderful, what is that conversation about?

  • Adam J

    If the Rossi effect turns out to be what it promises, the countless number of lives saved from being able to provide clean water and clean air will be orders of magnitude more than his phylantropy spendings. But clean air doesn’t cure cancer. Let’s hope for the best.
    Let us see him make Bill and Melinda gates foundation look like a garage sale 🙂

    • Frechette

      Clean air may not cure lung cancer but prevents it in the first place. Think diesel exhaust.

  • Man
    • Omega Z

      Rossi helps Shepard in a new technology that will help Billions of people.
      And your of the opinion he should live like a pauper???

      • Man

        It seems that he got a lot.
        In your opinion a dozen of flats and villas in Florida are not enough?

        • Omega Z

          Why are you so concerned with what he has.

          Were you concerned about what he lost/sold or hocked & years of his life he contributed/invested to his research. Do you think he has no right to recoup these cost & expenses.
          Did you work to others benefit for free for the last 20 years or did you receive compensation for your work.

          There are many people who have worked with start-up companies for minimum or substandard wages for years who recovered from their sacrificed income years later when the shares they received in kind became very valuable. Many became Rich.
          I do not begrudge these people. I may envy them, but not begrudge them. They sacrificed & gambled.

          Not much different then the Farmer who provides you sustenance. He skimps & scraps by & works all year hoping nature is kind to him, And if it is, he receives a nice dividend at the end of that year. It appears Large, but is actually an accumulation of a years labor. In Rossi’s case, That would be about 15.

          • Man

            Many people work a lot in the world (not earning a lot of money), not only Rossi worked hard for 20 years.

            He said in October 2012 at Pordenone meeting that he didn’t sell his invention to get a lot of money.
            Obviously we discover after some months that on the contrary he sold all to an US company, earning a lot and buying more of a dozen of flats and villas in Florida.
            Well, except for his usual false promises, all is normal for a capitalism society.

            Why here people try to highlight his (supposed) qualities like he will be an humanity philanthropist (and blah blah)?
            He isn’t like dr. Albert Sabin (do you remember the hystory?), that was a generous man, he donated his very important patent on poliomyelitis gratis (free of charge) to the humanity, no Intellectually Property and related excuse.

            Rossi is just a standard capitalist like Bill Gates and other and if it works you will pay the energy from him like now from US grid.

          • Omega Z

            I see. You think the State should own everything & divide it equally as they see fit. That provides people the incentive to produce little or nothing waiting on the State to provide everything.
            Sounds great until you realize people are no longer productive, thus the state has little or nothing to provide.

            Russia tried that for 50 years & for 50 years they borrowed money from the west that they never paid back in order to buy enough food from the west to feed their people.
            Only when they turned to Capitalism did they break this cycle & become self sufficient and had excess food to export.

            I Strongly suspect if not for Capitalism, we would not be discussing Rossi, his E-cats & How much he made off of it. It just wouldn’t exist & you would be looking at paying ever higher prices for your energy. At least when it was working between blackouts.

          • Man

            So do you think that dr. Albert Sabin was a sovietic comunist?
            Not an US scientist, really generous?

    • bachcole

      I can see that you have a stony heart. I can see that by the gestalt of your comment. There is a sort of cynicism there.

      I am sure that Rossi got some serious upfront money, and he did not want to invest it in a stock market that he himself is going to shake-up with the black swan event to end all black swan event.

      • Man

        Stony? Like your head.
        Cynism? No, just I report facts. From you only words.

    • Ophelia Rump

      This is who the first reference you site is regarding, no mention of Rossi.

      Processed Refund:Amount $3,372.74 Refunding To SOUTH FLORIDA TITLE GROUP ESCROW ACCOUNT

      I showed every deed in Florida with the name Andrea Rossi, and you make up this heinous filth!

  • pg

    I think this argument is irrelevant. The technology itself will be the greatest form of philanthropy, the money Rossi might give back to the poor will be nothing compared to what this new energy source will do for them.

    • georgehants

      pg, you may not be taking into consideration the people who may be influenced by a capitalist (MR. Rossi) acting in a way that is beneficial to many others.
      The hidden effects could change the World.

      • pg

        I think that unhidden effects will change the world. At that point philanthropists will mainly serve the purpose of boosting their own egos..

  • pg

    I think this argument is irrelevant. The technology itself will be the greatest form of philanthropy, the money Rossi might give back to the poor will be nothing compared to what this new energy source will do for them.

    • georgehants

      pg, you may not be taking into consideration the people who may be influenced by a capitalist (Mr. Rossi) acting in a way that is beneficial to many others.
      The hidden effects could change the World.

      • pg

        I think that unhidden effects will change the world. At that point philanthropists will mainly serve the purpose of boosting their own egos..

        • bachcole

          Do you mean that all charity is for the purpose of ego enhancement?

          • pg

            I say that the richer you are the more likely it is the case.

          • bachcole

            I will agree with that. But what counts is the heart, not the amount.

  • Job001

    The cost of clean safe water is mostly for energy now, with cheap energy it will be mostly capital cost for pumps and distillation or RO(reverse osmosis) and plumbing. Cheap energy is the biggest factor.
    Clean water is a secondary purpose best left to the free market, Governments, and philanthropy, IMO because people everywhere need to decide what is most important for them to spend their funds on rather than have dictators or other tyrants or even the “well meaning folks” try to think or decide for them.

  • pg

    mmmhh, I think their style is different, although they seem to never be in the same place at the same time…

  • georgehants

    Roger please do not tell me what to understand, I make my own points if you wish to respond, please do.

  • georgehants

    What a Wonderful page of open conversation, not restricted to the unbelievable narrow abilities of the average scientist.
    Cold Fusion involves every psychological direction that it is possible to imagine.
    Time to get away from the brainwashing crap that the establishment try’s to force on society.
    Well done everybody.

  • georgehants

    What a Wonderful page of open conversation, not restricted to the unbelievable narrow abilities of the average scientist.
    Cold Fusion involves every psychological direction that it is possible to imagine.
    Time to get away from the brainwashing crap that the establishment try’s to force on society.
    Well done everybody.

  • Frechette

    Clean air may not cure lung cancer but prevents it in the first place. Think diesel exhaust.

  • Omega Z

    Rossi helps Shepard in a new technology that will help Billions of people.
    And your of the opinion he should live like a pauper???

  • Robert Ellefson

    Once upon a time a person could openly purchase an indulgence to absolve themselves of sins, until this was frowned upon and ultimately eliminated from doctrinal practice. Other forms of absolution persist, of course, and today we have charitable actions that can reasonably be considered to balance the moral accounting of a person’s actions in total. If you ask me, while helping a few poor and sick children sounds like a perfectly fine philanthropic mission, it does not compare in any way with the amount of harm being caused by the greed-motivated pursuit of monopoly powers over the lifesaving technology currently being hoarded by the developers of the E-Cat. Many orders of magnitude more good would come from finding a way to share this knowledge than will come from personally seeking out and assisting poor children with cancer. Doing both sounds like the best approach.

    • bachcole

      Robert, I gave you a 1+ for persistence and politeness. I asked you before but you did not respond. Please list a few successes with this sharing and kum ba ya approach. Mondragon doesn’t count because it is merely capitalism with EVERYONE in the company playing the role of the greed capitalist. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, well that didn’t work out so well. The People’s Republic of China, hmmm, they don’t seem to agree with you. Could you enlighten us with an example of when doing what you suggest has worked? On the other hand, Steve Jobs went the way of the greedy capitalist, and look at the revolution he started. Please, I am a demonstration sort of guy; I need a demonstration of the efficacy of your ideas.

      • JDM

        How about the defacto owners of Rossi’s IP:

        Industrial Heat, LLC announced today that it has acquired the rights to Andrea Rossi’s Italian low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) technology, the Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat). A primary goal of the company is to make the technology widely available, because of its potential impact on air pollution and carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels and biomass.

        “The world needs a new, clean and efficient energy source. Such a technology would raise the standard of living in developing countries and reduce the environmental impact of producing energy,” said JT Vaughn speaking on behalf of Industrial Heat (IH).

        I don’t guess you will be singing kumbya along with Vaughn, will you?

        With any luck and a bit more support, maybe the wonderful folks at MFMP will have a breakthrough for all the world to see and we can buy kits and plans on EBay 3 months later. Rossi and IH may well be relegated to the dustbin of history.
        Let the flames begin.

        • bachcole

          The kumbaya approach is to abandon the capitalistic paradigm completely. Vaughn is a hardcore capitalist with a good heart, as is Darden and Rossi.

          Should MFMP have a major breakthrough, let’s say LENR+, just to make it interesting. Now that would be interesting to think about and speculate about. Hey, Frank, that would be worth an entire post.

          My initial speculation is that thousands of people would be developing LENR+ in their basements, perhaps hundreds of thousands. Rossi would be forced to focus on large energy companies, at this point. The home units would be basically lost to him. So I guess his investing in real estate was a smart move. (:->)

        • Omega Z

          “primary goal of the company is to make the technology widely available”

          So this would tend toward licensing this technology to as many as possible as soon & as fast as possible. With the competition near, To do otherwise would lead to them becoming irrelevant in short order. Their Investments, Market, & Profits all Lost. As an Investment Firm, they would be well aware of the consequences.

      • Robert Ellefson

        http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/06/29/e-cat-report-watch-thread/#comment-1464424797

        More than a few successes have followed the model of sharing key enabling technology elements to establish and nurture a marketspace. Few, if any, technologies can be compared to the profoundly life-changing impact that LENR will have, so I don’t see why everybody is so hung up on cramming this current situation into historical anecdotes. It’s entirely different and new, and should be considered as such, not as some version of ancient history.

        • bachcole

          But Robert, I am so stupid that I don’t really know of any such models of sharing key enabling technologies. Although I can see your point about nurturing a marketplace. I often hope that a product that I like will do well knowing that if it doesn’t I won’t be able to see the product in the store.

    • clovis ray

      bob, why do hold such a bad opinion of Dr, rossi, he has done nothing to invoke your attack. he is trying to do things by the book. for the academics sake, he has been trying to improve his product so it can be used safely , and get it certified, and tie up all the lose ends so nothing can stop this world changing device, he is the person that can do this, and you can believe that all the poor children will be helped and made hole. I believe this because, I personally believe God is in charge, and he can move heaven or earth, 60% of the profits, when he controls the world energy market, not only will the poor be taken care of, but so will the rest of our world, do you not believe Dr Rossi deserves to re cope his life time of savings, wages, time and effort, this goes without saying, he will be the next Nobel peace prize winner,

      • bachcole

        NOT next. A perhaps, if he stays alive long enough.

      • Robert Ellefson

        I don’t have such a bad opinion of Rossi per se, rather I have a negative opinion about the course of action he has chosen to take with his invention. If he chose a different course, that avoided monopolizing the only proven-effective LENR technology in existence, then I wouldn’t be complaining, I would be cheering him onwards.

        • bachcole

          Please give us examples. Then we will have something to talk about. How do you know that they didn’t already consider doing that but decided that the attitude of the establishment scientists was so negative that they did not dare do it? How do you know that they won’t do it? Isn’t it going to be de facto done once someone cracks open an E-Cat, and they know this so they figured that there wasn’t any point in sharing because they would be sharing whether they wanted to or not as soon as a bunch of E-Cats were extant.

          • Robert Ellefson

            Imagination can provide all the examples we need. I have come up with countless, starting sometime around this posting:
            https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BWuuDknUuaelCMyKiptCj4L3Y2ifKwWdNOOomcNbYkI

            My current favorite notion is for Rossi/IH to simply name their price for releasing the IP into the public domain. Combined with hard evidence such as arxiv:1305.3913, I believe that enough interested capital could be raised to meet their price. What amount of money would Rossi and IH need in order to be willing to release this IP for the benefit of humanity? Would the world be willing to pay it? I suspect so.

    • US_Citizen71

      I would like to ask you two questions. One, what have you personally spent years and good part of your life savings creating and then gave away for the betterment of mankind? If you are making this demand of another person I would expect that you have done similar in your own life. Two, do you put in as much effort on blogs and forums demanding that pharmaceutical companies relinquish their patents so that the drugs they developed can be sold as a generic? The high price of medications cause deaths every day throughout the world due to the poor being unable to afford them and should be just as big a concern for you.

      • Ophelia Rump

        You waste your breath, this type indulges in fantasies of being Socialist, while all them time being nihilist destroyers. When people lie to others they also lie to themselves. Nothing more than delusional thinking is possible.

        Their existence is precisely the reason that Socialism has always turned into a disaster when implemented.

        • bachcole

          So, when people make a real effort to always be honest with others, they learn to be honest with themselves, a prerequisite for inner growth.

      • bachcole

        “The high price of medications cause deaths every day throughout the
        world due to the poor being unable to afford them and should be just as
        big a concern for you.” should read “Medications cause deaths every day throughout the
        world.”

        But I like your point.

      • Robert Ellefson

        What do I have to do with the assertions I have put forward? How is my particular style of philanthropy or activism of consideration in the value of my arguments? I don’t have anything to do with this situation other than to provide a voice for those in need. I have both known and seen plenty of need in my lifetime, so I feel qualified enough for this task. Now, enough about me, what do you have to say about the ideas I put forward? That is supposed to be the point of this comment section, not ad-hominem degeneration.

        • US_Citizen71

          My two questions were simply to find out what kind of person I’m debating with. Do you walk the walk or just talk the talk. Someone who has himself sacrificed as they demand others to has an authority in situations like this completely different than someone who is saying do as I say not as I do. As for ad-hominem degeneration did I judge your character and actions or simply ask probing questions? Your whole post is essentially an ad-hominem attack on Rossi, pot meet kettle. As for your suggestion that Rossi should give up his intellectual property, I don’t agree. Rossi is not harming anyone. Why not ask the oil producing countries and companies simply to provide energy at cost instead of making a profit? Doing that would instantly fix many problems and save many lives if the whole issue is expensive energy. As for saying Rossi’s tech is “lifesaving technology” thats debatable. life changing I might agree with. If you’re one of the CO2 fear mongers why not force the world over to solar, wind, wave, geothermal or nuclear? All are more proven technologies already in the marketplace that do not produce CO2.

          • Robert Ellefson

            I suggested that Rossi find a way to share his IP, not to abandon it altogether. There is a significant difference.

          • US_Citizen71

            You’re correct there is a big difference. Hopefully they get a patent so that the IP can be licensed. They can charge different rates for different products. A commercial boiler one rate and a water purification boiler intended for donation to small third world villages by the Gates Foundation for free as charity. Things do not have to be open-sourced for there to be philanthropy.

          • Omega Z

            The fastest way to make & insure profits is to license in mass. Not try to manufacture it themselves. Doing otherwise just helps the competition push them into irrelevance, thus losing market & profits. A wasted investment. Cherokee/IH are all about investments. They are well aware of the situation & consequences there of…

          • Omega Z

            Robert
            They will Not try & do this all by themselves. I’m Extremely Confident IH/Rossi will share the IP & likely in the very near future. They will License it to anyone with the means to build it in mass.

            I assure you that they want to spread this technology as Far & wide & as Fast & cheap as possible. IH/Rossi are just 1 of many & dragging their feet in this matter would quickly result in them becoming irrelevant.
            Their Investments, Profits, Market, All lost to the competition. As Business Investors, They are well aware if this.

            Your IRE probably comes from the silence. You’re not aware of anything happening. I would be very surprised if at least a half dozen major Corporations are not already involved. They wont speak up until their ready. It costs a lot of money & manpower to deal with information requests. Especially when they have no ready answers. Only possibilities. This can actually slow things down. In the mean time they remain silent & carry on business as Usual without outside interruptions.

            The people you should really be upset with are those who have tried to bury this technology for 25 years. Not those who are trying to bring it to market.

          • bachcole

            A lot of it has to do with faith. Your kitchen is completely dark. Your hand tells you that you are standing at point A. You know that no one left anything between you and the light switch, point B. Faith carries you across the kitchen to the light switch. You can’t actually see that it is safe, but you know that it is. Faith carries you across the kitchen to the light switch. Doubt leaves you at point A.

            In the same way, you know that the E-Cat is real ( 1305.3913.pdf ). You know that it is safely in the hands of Industrial Heat ( http://tinyurl.com/qzjycnf ). You know what is human nature, with it’s mixture of greed and charity. The rest is an unstoppable Juggernaut crushing skeptopaths and greedy industrialists and sarcastic late night comics.

          • Frank Acland

            The situation has changed since Rossi sold his IP to Industrial Heat. I don’t think Rossi has the ability to decide what happens with the E-Cat anymore — except in the R&D aspect, maybe, since he is the chief scientist.

        • bachcole

          Robert, part of the problem may be that you are criticizing our hero, and that would make it our problem. Also, you are complaining about the way that things are and are going to be in the foreseeable future, and that is your problem. We have absolutely no control over what Rossi is or is not going to do, so why complain about it. But I am glad that you are here. Frank is glad that you are here; I know because he has deleted several of my comments and the comments of other people that were not terribly accepting of you. Please stay here.

        • bachcole

          Robert, you are getting whacked mostly I think because of your left-leaning tendencies. There are plenty of left-leaning people here, but I don’t see them defending you for some reason. It is obvious that you are not a skeptopath, although it may seem like it for those who cannot separate out their admiration/adoration of Rossi from the fact the he is not just giving it away.

          Also, I might point out that greed, as with all emotions and biases, can sneak up on the best of us. Rossi probably feels like he has established for himself some kind of security by buy all of those properties. And it doesn’t occur to him that there is NO security in externals.

  • bachcole

    Robert, I gave you a 1+ for persistence and politeness. I asked you before but you did not respond. Please list a few successes with this sharing and kum ba ya approach. Mondragon doesn’t count because it is merely capitalism with EVERYONE in the company playing the role of the greed capitalist. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, well that didn’t work out so well. The People’s Republic of China, hmmm, they don’t seem to agree with you. Could you enlighten us with an example of when doing what you suggest has worked? On the other hand, Steve Jobs went the way of the greedy capitalist, and look at the revolution he started. Please, I am a demonstration sort of guy; I need a demonstration of the efficacy of your ideas.

    • JDM

      How about the defacto owners of Rossi’s IP:

      Industrial Heat, LLC announced today that it has acquired the rights to Andrea Rossi’s Italian low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) technology, the Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat). A primary goal of the company is to make the technology widely available, because of its potential impact on air pollution and carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels and biomass.

      “The world needs a new, clean and efficient energy source. Such a technology would raise the standard of living in developing countries and reduce the environmental impact of producing energy,” said JT Vaughn speaking on behalf of Industrial Heat (IH).

      I don’t guess you will be singing kumbya along with Vaughn, will you?

      With any luck and a bit more support, maybe the wonderful folks at MFMP will have a breakthrough for all the world to see and we can buy kits and plans on EBay 3 months later. Rossi and IH may well be relegated to the dustbin of history.
      Let the flames begin.

      • Ophelia Rump

        Another sad little nihilist.

      • Omega Z

        “primary goal of the company is to make the technology widely available”

        So this would tend toward licensing this technology to as many as possible as soon & as fast as possible. With the competition near, To do otherwise would lead to them becoming irrelevant in short order. Their Investments, Market, & Profits all Lost. As an Investment Firm, they would be well aware of the consequences.

  • pg

    I say that the richer you are the more likely it is the case.

  • Man

    Stony? Like your head.
    Cynism? No, just I report facts. From you only words.

  • Ophelia Rump

    This is who the first reference you site is regarding, no mention of Rossi.

    Processed Refund:Amount $3,372.74 Refunding To SOUTH FLORIDA TITLE GROUP ESCROW ACCOUNT

    I showed every deed in Florida with the name Andrea Rossi, and you make up this heinous filth!

  • US_Citizen71

    I would like to ask you two questions. One what have you personally spent years and good part of your life savings creating and then gave away for the betterment of mankind? If you are making this demand of another person I would expect that you have done similar in your own life. Two, do you put in as much effort on blogs and forums demanding that pharmaceutical companies relinquish their patents so that the drugs they developed can be sold as a generic? The high price of medications cause deaths every day throughout the world due to the poor being unable to afford them and should be just as big a concern for you.

    • Ophelia Rump

      You waste your breath, this type indulges in fantasies of being Socialist, while all them time being nihilist destroyers. When people lie to others they also lie to themselves. Nothing more than delusional thinking is possible.

  • US_Citizen71

    My two questions were simply to find out what kind of person I’m debating with. Do you walk the walk or just talk the talk. Someone who has himself sacrificed as they demand others to has an authority in situations like this completely different than someone who is saying do as I say not as I do. As for ad-hominem degeneration did I judge your character and actions or simply ask probing questions? Your whole post is essentially an ad-hominem attack on Rossi, pot meet kettle. As for your suggestion that Rossi should give up his intellectual property, I don’t agree. Rossi is not harming anyone. Why not ask the oil producing countries and companies simply to provide energy at cost instead of making a profit? Doing that would instantly fix many problems and save many lives if the whole issue is expensive energy. As for saying Rossi’s tech is “lifesaving technology” thats debatable. life changing I might agree with. If you’re one of the CO2 fear mongers why not force the world over to solar, wind, wave, geothermal or nuclear? All are more proven technologies already in the marketplace that do not produce CO2.

    • ecatworld

      The situation has changed since Rossi sold his IP to Industrial Heat. I don’t think Rossi has the ability to decide what happens with the E-Cat anymore — except in the R&D aspect, maybe, since he is the chief scientist.

  • US_Citizen71

    You’re correct there is a big difference. Hopefully they get a patent so that the IP can be licensed. They can charge different rates for different products. A commercial boiler one rate and a water purification boiler intended for donation to small third world villages by the Gates Foundation for free as charity. Things do not have to be open-sourced for there to be philanthropy.

    • Omega Z

      The fastest way to make & insure profits is to license in mass. Not try to manufacture it themselves. Doing otherwise just helps the competition push them into irrelevance, thus losing market & profits. A wasted investment. Cherokee/IH are all about investments. They are well aware of the situation & consequences there of…

  • Owen Geiger

    Robert, there are already hundreds of researchers working on LENR, including
    numerous companies with products almost ready for sale. That number will
    explode once more people learn of the public plant, the TIP, patents
    with theory, etc. So respectively, this whole discussion about IH/Rossi
    giving away their secrets is almost pointless. Soon enough the market
    will be flooded with competitors, cheap Chinese knock offs, free online reactor plans and so on.

    • Omega Z

      I don’t agree with some of your post, But, You have a very valid point. Rossi will just be 1 of many. Discussions of giving away IP is pointless.

  • Owen Geiger

    Robert, there are already hundreds of researchers working on LENR, including
    numerous companies with products almost ready for sale. That number will
    explode once more people learn of the public plant, the TIP, patents
    with theory, etc. So respectively, this whole discussion about IH/Rossi
    giving away their secrets is almost pointless. Soon enough the market
    will be flooded with competitors, cheap Chinese knock offs, free online reactor plans and so on.

    • Omega Z

      I don’t agree with some of your post, But, You have a very valid point. Rossi will just be 1 of many. Discussions of giving away IP is pointless.

  • Owen Geiger

    Check out Dr. Neal Barnard in case you haven’t already. He seems to be getting very good results treating diabetes patients.
    http://www.nealbarnard.org/

  • Anon2012_2014

    IF Ecat works, it will earn far more than will be needed by that one cause — a small subset by population of the needy. Successful Ecat should transform the world. He needs to help everyone, not just a small subset. Expand his horizons.

    • Owen Geiger

      We have no right to tell Rossi how to live his life. I’d say he’s doing a great job. As others below have already pointed out, the benefits of LENR will flow across the world to all aspects of life regardless of how much money Rossi gives away.

      • Anon2012_2014

        “We have no right to tell Ross”

        No we have freedom of speech to communicate anything we want as long as it is not offensive.

        I am simply suggesting that Rossi should have thought about the limitation of what he is doing with his profits. What about mothers with cancer, fathers with cancer. Children with heart disease. Children with MRS. Children without food. Adults without food. All these people were children once but to artificially stop and say, we should only help that subset, although it might only cost say $10 billion per year, well what about the other $1 trillion per year of profits that will come through. Can’t we help more people than this 0.01% of the world population?

        If I were Rossi I would see my duty was to save/improve lives of as many people as I could with the resources that I have.

        Anyway, its freedom of speech and just like I have that right, you have a right to criticize me. You can even tell me what I can or cannot say and do, but I am free to ignore or listen to your writing, depending on how persuasive I find the argument.

        Thank you Owen Geiger.

        • Owen Geiger

          You can criticize him and throw stones all you want. Is that how you want to live your life? The benefits of his invention will far surpass any charitable contributions he could make.

        • Omega Z

          Your Argument went wrong when you said Trillion.
          With any Luck at all, Rossi or his estate may see the low(Single Digit) Billions.
          Standard compensation for something of this nature.
          $20 Million up front.
          A couple percent of sales or license fee.
          That applies only to the wholesale value of the Reactor.(About 2%)
          None of the apparatus that is needed to make use of it. Turbines, boilers & such.

          This extends only to the current IP life. Should it become obsolete & unused, No returns. From what Has been implied, IH has ownership of current & future advances made by Rossi.

          Shear Speculation on my part, Considering what he had- It appears Rossi may actually have sold short in the interest of making sure the technology made it to market instead of buried in a warehouse crate somewhere.

  • Anon2012_2014

    IF Ecat works, it will earn far more than will be needed by that one cause — a small subset by population of the needy. Successful Ecat should transform the world. He needs to help everyone, not just a small subset. Expand his horizons.

    • Owen Geiger

      We have no right to tell Rossi how to live his life. I’d say he’s doing a great job. As others below have already pointed out, the benefits of LENR will flow across the world to all aspects of life regardless of how much money Rossi gives away.

      • Anon2012_2014

        “We have no right to tell Ross”

        No we have freedom of speech to communicate anything we want as long as it is not offensive.

        I am simply suggesting that Rossi should have thought about the limitation of what he is doing with his profits. What about mothers with cancer, fathers with cancer. Children with heart disease. Children with MRS. Children without food. Adults without food. All these people were children once but to artificially stop and say, we should only help that subset, although it might only cost say $10 billion per year, well what about the other $1 trillion per year of profits that will come through. Can’t we help more people than this 0.01% of the world population?

        If I were Rossi I would see my duty was to save/improve lives of as many people as I could with the resources that I have.

        Anyway, its freedom of speech and just like I have that right, you have a right to criticize me. You can even tell me what I can or cannot say and do, but I am free to ignore or listen to your writing, depending on how persuasive I find the argument.

        Thank you Owen Geiger.

        • Owen Geiger

          You can criticize him and throw stones all you want. Is that how you want to live your life? The benefits of his invention will far surpass any charitable contributions he could make.

        • Omega Z

          Your Argument went wrong when you said Trillion.
          With any Luck at all, Rossi or his estate may see the low(Single Digit) Billions.
          Standard compensation for something of this nature.
          $20 Million up front.
          A couple percent of sales or license fee.
          That applies only to the wholesale value of the Reactor.(About 2%)
          None of the apparatus that is needed to make use of it. Turbines, boilers & such.

          This extends only to the current IP life. Should it become obsolete & unused, No returns. From what Has been implied, IH has ownership of current & future advances made by Rossi.

          Shear Speculation on my part, Considering what he had- It appears Rossi may actually have sold short in the interest of making sure the technology made it to market instead of buried in a warehouse crate somewhere.

  • Omega Z

    Robert
    They will Not try & do this all by themselves. I’m Extremely Confident IH/Rossi will share the IP & likely in the very near future. They will License it to anyone with the means to build it in mass.

    I assure you that they want to spread this technology as Far & wide & as Fast & cheap as possible. IH/Rossi are just 1 of many & dragging their feet in this matter would quickly result in them becoming irrelevant.
    Their Investments, Profits, Market, All lost to the competition. As Business Investors, They are well aware if this.

    Your IRE probably comes from the silence. You’re not aware of anything happening. I would be very surprised if at least a half dozen major Corporations are not already involved. They wont speak up until their ready. It costs a lot of money & manpower to deal with information requests. Especially when they have no ready answers. Only possibilities. This can actually slow things down. In the mean time they remain silent & carry on business as Usual without outside interruptions.

    The people you should really be upset with are those who have tried to bury this technology for 25 years. Not those who are trying to bring it to market.

  • Omega Z

    Why are you so concerned with what he has.

    Were you concerned about what he lost/sold or hocked & years of his life he contributed/invested to his research. Do you think he has no right to recoup these cost & expenses.
    Did you work to others benefit for free for the last 20 years or did you receive compensation for your work.

    There are many people who have worked with start-up companies for minimum or substandard wages for years who recovered from their sacrificed income years later when the shares they received in kind became very valuable. Many became Rich.
    I do not begrudge these people. I may envy them, but not begrudge them. They sacrificed & gambled.

    Not much different then the Farmer who provides you sustenance. He skimps & scraps by & works all year hoping nature is kind to him, And if it is, he receives a nice dividend at the end of that year. It appears Large, but is actually an accumulation of a years labor. In Rossi’s case, That would be about 15.

  • pg

    This debate is getting a bit ridiculous.

    It would have been like telling A. Lincoln off for not giving away his money to free slaves. Let s see:
    In 1860 the average slave was worth $400.
    There were around 4.000.000 slaves.
    It would have taken 1.6 billion dollars to free them all.
    The richest man in the world at the time was Vanderbilt, and he was worth 100 million dollars.
    The entire federal budget in 1860 was 78 million dollars.
    So Lincoln through his actions did what could not possibly be accomplished by any amount of money thrown at the problem.
    And he is rightly regarded as one of the greatest men in American history.

    Here we are debating the exact same concept applied to Rossi.

  • pg

    This debate is getting a bit ridiculous.

    It would have been like telling A. Lincoln off for not giving away his money to free slaves. Let s see:
    In 1860 the average slave was worth $400.
    There were around 4.000.000 slaves.
    It would have taken 1.6 billion dollars to free them all.
    The richest man in the world at the time was Vanderbilt, and he was worth 100 million dollars.
    The entire federal budget in 1860 was 78 million dollars.
    So Lincoln through his actions did what could not possibly be accomplished by any amount of money thrown at the problem.
    And he is rightly regarded as one of the greatest men in American history.

    Here we are debating the exact same concept applied to Rossi.

    • Robert Ellefson

      This analogy is worthless. The situations are entirely different, and are most certainly not the ‘exact same concept.’ Lincoln’s ambition was to keep the union whole; ending slavery was a side-effect demanded by many constituents from some (not all) of the Union states. Not that this information changes the value of your analogy – the comparison is still invalid.

      • bachcole

        pg, I thought that it was a perfectly good analogy, and Robert Ellefson failed to show cause why it was not. Rossi wants to bring forth the greatest technological discovery in the history of the world, and, oh, by the way, it will also help lots of poor people A very slick analogy if you ask me.

  • georgehants

    While many talk about what Mr. Rossi, the man without whom nothing would have happened the way it is, should do.
    It is not his fault that he has had to act in a capitalist way to try and release Cold Fusion against the system and the horrific corruption and incompetence of the establishment science and scientists.
    When society grows-up and removes the greedy system and replaces it with a good, fair system then things should improve.
    Perhaps a more appropriate view would be what should happen to all those scientists and administrates that have delayed Cold Fusion for 25 years.
    I personally like the old idea of public stocks, where they can sit for a few days and people and children can pelt them with rotten fruit.
    Of course they should never be again be allowed near students to teach in any way.
    Well done Mr. Rossi, I am sure he is doing everything he can to do things the best way he knows how.

  • georgehants

    While many talk about what Mr. Rossi, the man without whom nothing would have happened the way it has, should do.
    It is not his fault that he has had to act in a capitalist way to try and release Cold Fusion against the system and the horrific corruption and incompetence of the establishment science and scientists.
    When society grows-up and removes the greedy capitalist system and replaces it with a good, fair system then things should improve.
    Perhaps a more appropriate view would be what should happen to all those scientists and administrates that have delayed Cold Fusion for 25 years.
    I personally like the old idea of public stocks, where they can sit for a few days and people and children can pelt them with eggs and rotten fruit.
    Of course they should never again be allowed near students to teach in any way.
    Well done Mr. Rossi, I am sure he is doing everything he can, to do things the best way he knows how.

    • Robert Ellefson

      I give Rossi credit for applying determined focus in exploring and then extending on the work of others, notably Fleischmann and Piantelli, until he made his own discovery. Navigating the perilous circumstances required to bring his invention to the point of the January 2011 demo is an accomplishment worthy of great respect. His decision to then pursue well-trodden monopolistic avenues for earning from the fruits of his labor is where he took the wrong turn, even though the correct turn was not clearly marked, and could easily be mistaken for a deer trail leading off a major highway. It’s understandable that his initial instincts kept him on the well-traveled road, but his numerous refusals to consider alternate paths presented to him in the meantime are cause for concern, IMHO. He is well-aware that his invention would not be possible if not for the open sharing of knowledge that his predecessors engaged in, and which he has not reciprocated.

  • Omega Z

    I see. You think the State should own everything & divide it equally as they see fit. That provides people the incentive to produce little or nothing waiting on the State to provide everything.
    Sounds great until you realize people are no longer productive, thus the state has little or nothing to provide.

    Russia tried that for 50 years & for 50 years they borrowed money from the west that they never paid back in order to buy enough food from the west to feed their people.
    Only when they turned to Capitalism did they break this cycle & become self sufficient and had excess food to export.

    I Strongly suspect if not for Capitalism, we would not be discussing Rossi, his E-cats & How much he made off of it. It just wouldn’t exist & you would be looking at paying ever higher prices for your energy. At least when it was working between blackouts.

    • Man

      So do you think that dr. Albert Sabin was a sovietic comunist?
      Not an US scientist, really generous?