Mills Comments on July 21st Blacklight Power Demonstration

E-Cat World readers may remember that on July 21st (yesterday) there was a demonstration scheduled by Blacklight Power showing the latest developments of their technologies to selected invitees. There was nothing posted yesterday that I could find, but ECW reader artefact has found some comments by BLP CEO Randell Mills on the Society for Classical Physics Yahoo message board where he sometimes comments.

Asked by a group member yesterday about how the demonstration went, Mills responded:

It was AWESOME!
Showed new technology for the first time. Gave timeline for commercial-type unit.

In response to a request for a short summary of what took place at the demo, Mills wrote:

The main aspects were the presentation of the complete system design and a unit that demonstrates those elements of the fast ignition and regeneration, and optical distribution and photovoltaic conversion systems.

Based on work of our engineering firms we are pushing to have a 100 kW electric,field testable power generator in 16 to 18 weeks.

I would imagine that as in the past, BLP will have recorded the event and will publish it on their website sometime in the near future, but we have a little idea now of what took place.

Thanks, artefact!

  • Hope4DBest

    Based on this information, BLP is ahead of Rossi. The next few months are going to be pretty interesting.

    • Ophelia Rump

      How do you figure that BLP is ahead of Rossi, you say that as if everyone should already know why they should just accept the proclamation?

      IH has a working device tested independently three times. A commercial prototype and a factory to build it. BLP does not even have a working device.

      In what precisely is BLP ahead of IH?

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        If we are talking electricity then Mills should be ahead.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Why?

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            It’s vastly more difficult, expensive and work intensive to produce electricity from steam than PEV’s at a COP 4-6. Ther is not much of information how Rossi is approaching this and Mills has tons of evidences that he can make it work. Of cause if either is a scam anything goes, but I’m assuming they and the people around them are honest.

          • Ophelia Rump

            How large are the solar panels, and how far back are they placed from the point where the light is equal to 50K suns? How do they cool the 20% more heat than electricity produced inside the box?

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            They will probably need to cool at the order of power released. But it’s not a problem with water cooled system, at 100kW. They will make sure to load balance the panels to their working region and if to much light is shining they can easily dim that off and cool it away. But do note that I expect Mills to fill a volume with PEV’s and not just a surface with the help of light guide techniques such as lenses and fiber optics. I’m not an expert here but surely there should be some video of how he tries to approach this in a couple of days.

          • Ophelia Rump

            The task of cooling 60kW out of 100kW of power is as big a job as producing that much power in the first place.

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            Cars are doing that just fine at full throttle, and they probably have an even bigger job to. Also Mills is basically taking over the design of solar stations. He mimick what the PEV’s are doing there. I agree that one should not underestimate the cooling, but I find it plausable that it is solved.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Cars do not run at 100 kW of power, the thermal problem increases geometrically with scale.

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            1hp = 746W, 150hp = 120kW

            So at full throttle you will burn that times 5 or such. Of cause normal car use will be at a lower power. But you can bet on that they get plenty of paid help engineering the issue and they also acknowledged it, if it is a show stopper they would know by now. Do you have a calculation that shows how bad it is. All my experience tell me that 100kW will not be a huge issue.

          • Geewhiz

            Here’s a ~70kw concentrated solar system which uses 40% efficient triple junction cells at ~500 suns.
            http://amonix.com/content/cpv-technology
            Note this a real life (as opposed to fantasy world) device that’s in service today.
            A Tesla supercharger requires 100kw
            A Tesla slow charge from home current 10kw
            Does it look to you like this device will fit in the trunk of an XC-70?

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            The area of the shown devices seams to be large because they are facing the sun, 1sun.
            500sun would be something quite smaller. Could it that the thickness of these devices is
            due to optics that concentrate the 1sun to 500sun e.g. shrink 23x in both dimensions. Also of cause the SunCell is a fantasi atm. There is absolutely nothing like it that we can compare to. This makes it difficult to judge and can easily give a knee jerk feeling of unreality.

          • artefact

            The cooling does not seem to be a problem. Mills posted this presentation some weeks back:
            https://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/16011825/2076970562/name/CPV+Presentation-to-Guests-at-Mildura-1-5MW-Grand-Op%3F%3D+ening-Event.pdf
            The cooling is delivered by the manufacturer.

      • Hope4DBest

        Ophelia, I said: “Based on this information…” If the information is wrong, then of course my conclusions are wrong. But considering that BLP has been developing their technology for 30 years, I’m sure that there’s a race about who is going to be first to market, with a trillion dollar prize at the finish line.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Based upon what information?
          You presented no supporting information.
          I have to presume you have none.

          • Hope4DBest

            “The main aspects were the presentation of the complete system design and a unit that demonstrates those elements of the fast ignition and regeneration, and optical distribution and photovoltaic conversion systems.

            Based on work of our engineering firms we are pushing to have a 100 kW electric,field testable power generator in 16 to 18 weeks.”

            If you want to ignore this, it’s up to you.

      • Hope4DBest

        Ophelia, yours is wishful thinking. “A commercial prototype and a factory to build it.”

        Care to post some pictures of the prototype and the factory?

  • Hope4Dbest

    Based on this information, BLP is ahead of Rossi. The next few months are going to be pretty interesting.

    • Ophelia Rump

      How do you figure that BLP is ahead of Rossi, you say that as if everyone should already know why they should just accept the proclamation?

      IH has a working device tested independently three times. A commercial prototype and a factory to build it. BLP does not even have a working device.

      In what precisely is BLP ahead of IH?

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        If we are talking electricity then Mills should be ahead.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Why?

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            It’s vastly more difficult, expensive and work intensive to produce electricity from steam than PEV’s at a COP 4-6. Ther is not much of information how Rossi is approaching this and Mills has tons of evidences that he can make it work. Of cause if either is a scam anything goes, but I’m assuming they and the people around them are honest.

          • Ophelia Rump

            How large are the solar panels, and how far back are they placed from the point where the light is equal to 50K suns? How do they cool the 20% more heat than electricity produced inside the box?

            60% heat, 40% electricity

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            They will probably need to cool at the order of power released. But it’s not a problem with water cooled system, at 100kW. They will make sure to load balance the panels to their working region and if to much light is shining they can easily dim that off and cool it away. But do note that I expect Mills to fill a volume with PEV’s and not just a surface with the help of light guide techniques such as lenses and fiber optics. I’m not an expert here but surely there should be some video of how he tries to approach this in a couple of days.

          • optiongeek

            Yes, filling a volume with “Concentrator” PEV, which can handle 1000 suns.

          • Ophelia Rump

            With all that heat and IR does it get hot in there?

          • Hope4Dbest

            Ophelia, you’ve started to sound like a skeptic. There are technical and engineering issues BLP has to deal with, but to say that their technology is IMPOSSIBLE…

          • Ophelia Rump

            I never said impossible, but the solar array concept seems impracticable.

            I am highly skeptical of the numbers on this.

            I hope he has an underlying energy source, but the solar idea sounds insane without a careful description of overcoming the radiation intensity and collection issues.

          • Sunshine

            Well, what would you suggest, with your advanced education and experience? Got any “bright ideas” to offer, instead of the constant criticism?

          • Ophelia Rump

            Yes.
            1 Direct generation of hot water.
            2 Use the plasma to generate full spectrum light in the manner of a Plasma Sodium Lamp.
            3, Research direct plasma to electric production.

            These would be more practical If they have a power source, and not just a light show.

            Enjoy your heightened appreciation of ignorance.

            What little gems of wisdom do you have sunshine!

          • clovis ray

            Hi, sunshine,
            A project/experiment without a dissenting opinion, is a ship without rudder. Mr. Mills is well known here, to say they are ahead of E-CAT is ludicrous, can you say who was it that observed the demo, of this device in operation other than the inventors,

          • Ophelia Rump

            The task of cooling 60kW out of 100kW of power is as big a job as producing that much power in the first place.

          • optiongeek

            For about $200 you could install a car radiator and water pump. That should just about do the trick.

          • Ophelia Rump

            For the equivalent of a nuclear plant?

          • optiongeek

            where does he talk about a nuclear plant equivalent? Largest unit he has *ever* talked about for SF-CIHT is 10MW. He seems to think of this as the largest unit he wants to make – decentralized generation.

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            Cars are doing that just fine at full throttle, and they probably have an even bigger job to. Also Mills is basically taking over the design of solar stations. He mimick what the PEV’s are doing there. I agree that one should not underestimate the cooling, but I find it plausable that it is solved.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Cars do not run at 100 kW of power, the thermal problem increases geometrically with scale.

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            1hp = 746W, 150hp = 120kW

            So at full throttle you will burn that times 5 or such. Of cause normal car use will be at a lower power. But you can bet on that they get plenty of paid help engineering the issue and they also acknowledged it, if it is a show stopper they would know by now. Do you have a calculation that shows how bad it is. All my experience tell me that 100kW will not be a huge issue.

          • artefact

            The cooling does not seem to be a problem. Mills posted this presentation some weeks back:
            https://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/16011825/2076970562/name/CPV+Presentation-to-Guests-at-Mildura-1-5MW-Grand-Op%3F%3D+ening-Event.pdf
            The cooling is delivered by the manufacturer.

          • Christina

            Everyone, please remember that IH and Rossi have been keeping mum as to exactly what is happening in their “plants.” They could have the electricity, etc. to replace a coal-fired system in a large factory. Heck, they could be half-way to having home e-cats by now.

            I hope, anyway. 🙂

      • Hope4Dbest

        Ophelia, I said: “Based on this information…” If the information is wrong, then of course my conclusions are wrong. But considering that BLP has been developing their technology for 30 years, I’m sure that there’s a race about who is going to be first to market, with a trillion dollar prize at the finish line.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Based upon what information?
          You presented no supporting information.
          I have to presume you have none.

          • Hope4Dbest

            “The main aspects were the presentation of the complete system design and a unit that demonstrates those elements of the fast ignition and regeneration, and optical distribution and photovoltaic conversion systems.

            Based on work of our engineering firms we are pushing to have a 100 kW electric,field testable power generator in 16 to 18 weeks.”

            If you want to ignore this, it’s up to you.

      • Hope4Dbest

        Ophelia, yours is wishful thinking. “A commercial prototype and a factory to build it.”

        Care to post some pictures of the prototype and the factory?

  • optiongeek

    Here’s some further information regarding “optical distribution”. This version does not incorporate fiber optics to route optical power, although that mechanism has been discussed in the past. However, this unit uses “columns of stacks of semitransparent mirrors” to direct the optical power to vertical arrays of PVs. Some folks have been commenting that simply finding enough space for the panels would be a design challenge. However, because optical power can be very easily redirected optically it looks like this won’t be much of an issue after all.
    Sixteen to 18 weeks to a 100kW field testable unit, with nothing but water as the input fuel. It’s getting hard to be a cynic but I’m sure some on this site will manage.

    • David Taylor-Fuller

      Feel free to count me as one of those cynics.

      That said, if he manages to deliver on what he is promising then my hats off to him.

  • synthetic natural

    We’ll see what we do with those sparks!

  • jousterusa

    I;ve written an article about the technology Mills demonstrated, and got a little additional info fropm his secretary, Beata. It’s called, “Here Comes the World-Changer: At the end of This Tunnel Is a Light Brighter Than 50,000 Suns” and is at http://www.american-reporter.com (top story).

  • artefact

    Dr. Mills posted today: “we should have the demonstration video posted in a few days”

  • artefact

    Dr. Mills posted today: “we should have the demonstration video posted in a few days”

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    I find this interesting,

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/SunCellPaper.pdf

    They have tests with COP = 5. It also show some very interesting proofs of the existence of hydrinos. Would love to see some good skeptic chew on that paper.

    For the skeptic saying I would not look into that because hydrinos is not existent in QED and whatnot. QED could be a theory of the ordinary ground state of hydrogen and all deformations through the exchange of photons. You cannot via a photon get to a lower hydrino state. What if QED does not cover that physics, that you need some other force in QED speak. That’s at least how I would solve the apparent paradox. So not either or, combine both Mills theory and QED and whatnot and great knowledge will appear.

    • georgehants

      Stefan, your open-minded, real scientific approach is most refreshing after the drivel put out by many so called scientists.

    • Ophelia Rump

      COP 5 for what?
      Energy produced by reactor? (light and heat)?
      IR Light produced?
      Total output electrical power compared to total input power?

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        energy out / energy in, it’s a bomb calormeter experiment. You will find the figures in a table in the report.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Out where?
          In where?

          I presented three possible interpretations.
          Please pick one, or provide one of your own.

          • artefact

            In: into the powder (h2 + catalyst (changing. For example TI + CU + ..) as 5V 10000A for microseconds.
            Out: 90% light (goes to heat in the bomb calorimeter or goes to 40% electricity with special solar panels)

          • Ophelia Rump

            The PEV Solar Cells are 40% efficient, so the output is 80% heat total and 20% electric. Is this going to be an underwater solar farm? It needs to be COP 5 to break even, with passive cooling. Assuming near zero input power.

          • optiongeek

            prototype field-testable unit being engineered to have COP 200.

          • artefact

            I calculate 64% heat and 36% electricity. But if the producer of the photovoltaic cell says it is manageable then trust him. In the document I linked below the heat is dissipated with radiators.

          • Ophelia Rump

            That could cool at an automotive scale, scaling up to 1000 mW is more difficult because the thermal load increases geometrically.

            I did not realize people were referring to two different scales of implementation.

          • deleo77

            I think the issue that AR is going to face with electrical generation is that the e-cat is still about heat and steam. So AR will need to couple it with a turbine or perhaps a sterling engine etc. Mills has his power coming in the form of light, which can be coupled with a PV cell. There are no moving parts. So there is little to maintain, as long as the PV cells don’t wear down, and I realize that is a big if. Mills is working off two other great inventions, PV cells, and fiber optics (which will distribute the light from his reaction to the cells so that it doesn’t destroy them). If it works it could be an engineering trifecta. Mills with his hydrinos created the last part of a 3 piece solution to power generation.

        • Hope4DBest

          COP 5 is good enough for me. We only need ONE Free Energy device with that COP to turn the world around.

      • artefact

        Mills says:

        Later 5 Joules in 500 out (COP 100)

        Now 130 Joules in 500 out because of an aluminium envelope around the powder which has to melt first.

      • Charles

        I would hope that Coefficient of Performance (COP), in the context we are using it is ALWAYS, COP = useful power out / power in. Keyword: useful. Any blatherer using COP should absolutely define what he is using to compute the COP. Once will suffice, if it is understood it is always the same.

        In the case of Mills for instance, the output watt-seconds (1 watt-second = 1 joule) from the photvoltaic unit is measurable with precision AND IS USEFUL and can be divided by the power in (presumably watt seconds measurable with precision), to get the COP. Heat expelled into the atmosphere is not useful. Heat converted into other forms of usable heat, e.g. heating the lab in winter is useful and could be measured and would add to the COP. Heat expelled into the lab in summer requires cooling the lab and would therefore lower the COP.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    I find this interesting,

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/SunCellPaper.pdf

    They have tests with COP = 5. It also show some very interesting proofs of the existence of hydrinos. Would love to see some good skeptic chew on that paper.

    For the skeptic saying I would not look into that because hydrinos is not existent in QED and whatnot. QED could be a theory of the ordinary ground state of hydrogen and all deformations through the exchange of photons. You cannot via a photon get to a lower hydrino state. What if QED does not cover that physics, that you need some other force in QED speak. That’s at least how I would solve the apparent paradox. So not either or, combine both Mills theory and QED and whatnot and great knowledge will appear.

    • georgehants

      Stefan, your open-minded, real scientific approach is most refreshing after the drivel put out by many so called scientists. (I don’t mean on these pages)

    • Ophelia Rump

      COP 5 for what?
      Energy produced by reactor? (light and heat)?
      IR Light produced?
      Total output electrical power compared to total input power?

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        energy out / energy in, it’s a bomb calormeter experiment. You will find the figures in a table in the report.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Out where?
          In where?

          I presented three possible interpretations.
          Please pick one, or provide one of your own.

          • artefact

            In: into the powder (h2 + catalyst (changing. For example TI + CU + ..) as 5V 10000A for microseconds.
            Out: 90% light (goes to heat in the bomb calorimeter or goes to 40% electricity with special solar panels)

          • Ophelia Rump

            The PEV Solar Cells are 40% efficient, so the output is 80% heat total and 20% electric. Is this going to be an underwater solar farm? It needs to be COP 5 to break even, with passive cooling. Assuming near zero input power.

          • optiongeek

            prototype field-testable unit being engineered to have COP 200.

          • artefact

            I calculate 64% heat and 36% electricity. But if the producer of the photovoltaic cell says it is manageable then trust him. In the document I linked below the heat is dissipated with radiators.

          • Ophelia Rump

            That could cool at an automotive scale, scaling up to 1000 mW is more difficult because the thermal load increases geometrically.

            I did not realize people were referring to two different scales of implementation.

          • deleo77

            I think the issue that AR is going to face with electrical generation is that the e-cat is still about heat and steam. So AR will need to couple it with a turbine or perhaps a sterling engine etc. Mills has his power coming in the form of light, which can be coupled with a PV cell. There are no moving parts. So there is little to maintain, as long as the PV cells don’t wear down, and I realize that is a big if. Mills is working off two other great inventions, PV cells, and fiber optics (which will distribute the light from his reaction to the cells so that it doesn’t destroy them). If it works it could be an engineering trifecta. Mills with his hydrinos created the last part of a 3 piece solution to power generation.

          • David Taylor-Fuller

            not true, his design features gears that crush the fuel so there are moving parts in the reaction generation. The only thing that doesnt have moving parts is the the conversion system.

          • roseland67

            Energy OUT > Energy IN,
            In Roseland67 world, it doesn’t get any more basic
            or easier to understand than that.
            No COP, Hydrinos, electron clouds, neutron absorption, etc, etc, etc.
            put X watt hrs in, get X+ watt hrs out.

        • Hope4Dbest

          COP 5 is good enough for me. We only need ONE Free Energy device with that COP to turn the world around.

      • optiongeek

        COP 5 is only for demo unit that can be measured by calorimetry. Estimate of current generation COP is about 200 using the powdered fuel and more efficient ignition.

        • Ophelia Rump

          How far back do you need to move the PEVs when you increase the heat to keep them from vaporizing?

          How do you scale that for normal operations, or is this one speed only.

          • optiongeek

            Is there something keeping from going to the BLP web site and educating yourself? Afraid of what you might find? First, power level is controlled through the rotation rate of the inter-digitating gears, it will scale linearly with RPM to any power level required. Emergency failsafe cutoff by simply interrupting current flow to reaction (build a heat-sensitive fuse into the design and it can’t melt down). Are you really hanging your objection on the ability of Mills to design a heat dissipation system for a 10MW power unit?

      • artefact

        Mills says:

        Later 5 Joules in 500 out (COP 100)

        Now 130 Joules in 500 out because of an aluminium envelope around the powder which has to melt first.

      • Charles

        I would hope that Coefficient of Performance (COP), in the context we are using it is ALWAYS, COP = useful power out / power in. Keyword: useful. Any blatherer using COP should absolutely define what he is using to compute the COP. Once will suffice, if it is understood it is always the same.

        In the case of Mills for instance, the output watt-seconds (1 watt-second = 1 joule) from the photvoltaic unit is measurable with precision AND IS USEFUL and can be divided by the power in (presumably watt seconds measurable with precision), to get the COP. Heat expelled into the atmosphere is not useful. Heat converted into other forms of usable heat, e.g. heating the lab in winter is useful and could be measured and would add to the COP. Heat expelled into the lab in summer requires cooling the lab and would therefore lower the COP.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Of course you realize that as these claims become more exaggerated, so does the burden of proof.

    I hope he has something, but as the claims become wilder, they become less likely to be fulfilled, it is the first law of diminishing returns.

    • optiongeek

      How are the claims becoming “wilder”? He laid out the general strategy for SF-CIHT back in January. The only change since then is PV in place of MHD when he realized power is light instead of pressure-volume. Perhaps you are having trouble recognizing progress against plan?

      • Ophelia Rump

        Last week it was something under 1000 times brighter than the sun, this week it is 50K times brighter than the sun.

        • optiongeek

          Sorry, think you may have misunderstood or been misinformed. Mills made unambiguous 50000 sun claim in writing when first started discussing results as predominantly light.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Thank you for hardening that number.

        • deleo77

          Mills has said that the light emitted to the PV cells is 30k to 50k brighter than the sun at the earth’s surface. That is really the main attribute of these bursts of light. The sun is far away. The light from his SunCell is inches away from the PV cell. So the light received by the PV cells is much more intense. And the light is continuous 24/7, which obviously the sun is not as well.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Are they intending to run this IR emitting beast in the open to power desert solar arrays?

          • artefact

            more like in this video: http://www.blacklightpower.com/pv_car-video/
            you see the pv array integrated in the “box”

          • Ophelia Rump

            Thank you very much!

      • dickyaesta

        SF-CIHT sounds to me more like “all that Science Fiction sh.t “. my brothers referring to when they hear me talk about LENR and Rossi. What a technology make some sparks and put some PV cells in front of them and le voilà 10 MW out(!!!), but of course I too can be wrong?!(;-))

        • optiongeek

          Have spent years doing deep dives into descriptions of theory and published evidence of validation with a skeptical eye. When I look about and realize I’m keeping company with the fringiest of the fringe, I go back and check my figures one more time. In all that time, I haven’t seen anything to date that shakes my confidence – despite being called a nut by close personal friends whose technical and scientific expertise I hold in high regard.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Of course you realize that as these claims become more exaggerated, so does the burden of proof.

    I hope he has something, but as the claims become wilder, they become less likely to be fulfilled, it is the first law of diminishing returns.

    • optiongeek

      How are the claims becoming “wilder”? He laid out the general strategy for SF-CIHT back in January. The only change since then is PV in place of MHD when he realized power is light instead of pressure-volume. Perhaps you are having trouble recognizing progress against plan?

      • Ophelia Rump

        Last week it was something under 1000 times brighter than the sun, this week it is 50K times brighter than the sun.

        • optiongeek

          Sorry, think you may have misunderstood or been misinformed. Mills made unambiguous 50000 sun claim in writing when first started discussing results as predominantly light.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Thank you for hardening that number.

        • deleo77

          Mills has said that the light emitted to the PV cells is 30k to 50k brighter than the sun at the earth’s surface. That is really the main attribute of these bursts of light. The sun is far away. The light from his SunCell is inches away from the PV cell. So the light received by the PV cells is much more intense. And the light is continuous 24/7, which obviously the sun is not as well.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Are they intending to run this IR emitting beast in the open to power desert solar arrays?

          • artefact

            more like in this video: http://www.blacklightpower.com/pv_car-video/
            you see the pv array integrated in the “box”

          • Ophelia Rump

            Thank you very much!

        • Hector McNuget

          50000>1000, is consistent, yes? Also! Mills makes catalysis and powder use. Lots of powder, like the Rossi ecat. Powder + catalysis must be key of succes in LENR.

      • dickyaesta

        SF-CIHT sounds to me more like “all that Science Fiction sh.t “. my brothers referring to when they hear me talk about LENR and Rossi. What a technology make some sparks and put some PV cells in front of them and le voilà 10 MW out(!!!), Come on guys you can’t be seriously believe in this, it rambles on all sides, it simply does not feel right.

        • optiongeek

          Have spent years doing deep dives into descriptions of theory and published evidence of validation with a skeptical eye. When I look about and realize I’m keeping company with the fringiest of the fringe, I go back and check my figures one more time. In all that time, I haven’t seen anything to date that shakes my confidence – despite being called a nut by close personal friends whose technical and scientific expertise I hold in high regard.

  • Vio Phile

    I am starting to lose faith. Unfortunately.

    • georgehants

      I am sure that is going to make a big difference to if it is genuine or not.

    • Chris Marshalk

      I agree, until there is a product on market, I won’t be satisfied 100%. That includes the eCat but I have more faith in LENR than anything else at the moment. Gee, more videos from mills.

  • Ophelia Rump

    For the equivalent of a nuclear plant?

  • Ophelia Rump

    With all that heat and IR does it get hot in there?

    • Hope4DBest

      Ophelia, you’ve started to sound like a skeptic. There are technical and engineering issues BLP has to deal with, but to say that their technology is IMPOSSIBLE…

      • Ophelia Rump

        I never said impossible, but the solar array concept seems impracticable.

        I am highly skeptical of the numbers on this.

        • Sunshine

          Well, what would you suggest Mary, with your advanced education and experience? Got any “bright ideas” to offer, instead of the constant criticism?

          • Ophelia Rump

            Yes. Direct generation of hot water at 80% efficiency sounds much more practical and they have said that is an option.

            This solar thing does not seem practical on large scale. It might be possible for an automobile but proportion of solar panel to light source and distance from source is an ugly piece of design work.

            If they have a power source, and not just a light show.

          • clovis ray

            Hi, sunshine,
            A project/experiment without a dissenting opinion, is a ship without rudder. Mr. Mills is well known here, to say they are ahead of E-CAT is ludicrous, can you say who was it that observed the demo, of this device in operation other than the inventors,

  • georgehants

    How Wonderful to see good open, fair, scientific debate, compared to the childish rubbish on most science pages.

  • georgehants

    How Wonderful to see good open, fair, scientific debate, compared to the childish rubbish on most science pages.

    • Broncobet

      George right..science bad.

  • georgehants

    I am sure that is going to make a big difference to if it is genuine or not.

  • artefact

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new/

    “The full set of slides from the July 21, 2014 live demonstration are now available. Please note this is a large file with embedded videos and may take some time to load.

    An abbreviated version of the presentation, without video, is also available.”

    • optiongeek

      This presentation is MUST READ for anyone commenting here. It answers all the basic questions and then some. Far more detail than I would have thought possible at this point. Anyone questioning whether this thing is real won’t. Wow!

      • artefact

        The pdf with the videos is 210MB. There are like 4 or 5 new videos of what we will probably see in the demonstration video. lots of sparks and light but also some smoke that will need some enginieering. The LED dimms visibly after some time.

        • optiongeek

          True, but consider that this unit is open to the air and obviously the fuel can become contaminated. I’d imagine the field unit will be sealed. Mills has previously addressed the sparks and smoke by saying there won’t be any chemistry for such when reaction is in Ar atmosphere.

          • artefact

            optiongeek, thanks for asking Mills about the smoke!

      • bachcole

        The only thing that will answer my questions from BLP will be a demo with input, output, and third party investigators. More words and plans just won’t cut it.

    • bachcole

      And I thought that I got the abbreviated version falling asleep on the couch this afternoon.

  • artefact

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new/

    “The full set of slides from the July 21, 2014 live demonstration are now available. Please note this is a large file with embedded videos and may take some time to load.

    An abbreviated version of the presentation, without video, is also available.”

    • optiongeek

      This presentation is MUST READ for anyone commenting here. It answers all the basic questions and then some. Far more detail than I would have thought possible at this point. Anyone questioning whether this thing is real won’t. Wow!

      • artefact

        The pdf with the videos is 210MB. There are like 4 or 5 new videos of what we will probably see in the demonstration video. lots of sparks and light but also some smoke that will need some enginieering. The LED dimms visibly after some time.

        • optiongeek

          True, but consider that this unit is open to the air and obviously the fuel can become contaminated. I’d imagine the field unit will be sealed. Mills has previously addressed the sparks and smoke by saying there won’t be any chemistry for such when reaction is in Ar atmosphere.

          • artefact

            optiongeek, thanks for asking Mills about the smoke!

      • bachcole

        The only thing that will answer my questions from BLP will be a demo with input, output, and third party investigators. More words and plans just won’t cut it.

        • friendlyprogrammer

          I hope that does not get them too worried.

    • bachcole

      And I thought that I got the abbreviated version falling asleep on the couch this afternoon.

  • Chris Marshalk

    I agree, until there is a product on market, I won’t be satisfied 100%. That includes the eCat but I have more faith lenr than anything else at the moment. Gee, more videos from mills.

  • LilyLover

    Wow, Looks like Dr. Mills has beat Rossi to commercialization.
    Heartfelt congratulations to Dr. Mills & all of us!

    • deleo77

      Well I wouldn’t say Mills has beat Rossi to commercialization. Nothing that Mills is saying will be a done deal until BLP has their completed prototype finished, and that is looking to be at least a few months away. That being said, if their prototype works as they are currently advertising it, BLP will become an international story. Someone finally solved our energy problems with a revolutionary device. It will provide clean, almost free electricity on a massive, distributed level and Mills will join the ranks of the great inventors of all time.

      I am not saying all of this will happen by the end of the year, I am just saying it could happen. BLP seems to have come a long way recently, and things are looking good for them right now. As Mills said, “things broke our way”. He could be right, but a bunch of things could also still go wrong too. Also, I don’t think BLP’s potential breakthrough will mean that IH doesn’t have any business opportunities in front of it. The name of their company is Industrial Heat, and there are plenty of industrial heating applications out there in the world that won’t be affected by the SunCell.

    • Ophelia Rump

      You already bought one?

      • Weihenstephaner

        You breath air. Have you seen it? “Looks like” = “Seems”. Probabilistically correct.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Smells like farm fresh air.
          Have you smelled the dairy air?

    • bachcole

      I presume that you are being sarcastic.

  • LilyLover

    Wow, Looks like Dr. Mills has beat Rossi to commercialization.
    Heartfelt congratulations to Dr. Mills & all of us!

    • deleo77

      Well I wouldn’t say Mills has beat Rossi to commercialization. Nothing that Mills is saying will be a done deal until BLP has their completed prototype finished, and that is looking to be at least a few months away. That being said, if their prototype works as they are currently advertising it, BLP will become an international story. Someone finally solved our energy problems with a revolutionary device. It will provide clean, almost free electricity on a massive, distributed level and Mills will join the ranks of the great inventors of all time.

      I am not saying all of this will happen by the end of the year, I am just saying it could happen. BLP seems to have come a long way recently, and things are looking good for them right now. As Mills said, “things broke our way”. He could be right, but a bunch of things could also still go wrong too. Also, I don’t think BLP’s potential breakthrough will mean that IH doesn’t have any business opportunities in front of it. The name of their company is Industrial Heat, and there are plenty of industrial heating applications out there in the world that won’t be affected by the SunCell.

      • Broncobet

        if

    • Ophelia Rump

      You already bought one?

      Oh god!
      I apologize, after reading bachcole’s reply I see my error.
      I thought you were being serious!

      • Weihenstephaner

        You breath air. Have you seen it? “Looks like” = “Seems”. Probabilistically correct.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Smells like farm fresh air.
          Have you smelled the dairy air?

    • bachcole

      I presume that you are being sarcastic.

  • Andre Blum

    Incredible!!!
    that word pretty much describes all of my feelings around BLP/Mills. For the largest part I think with that I mean to say: not credible.

  • gregha

    Has anyone seen the other guys’ sites lately; Defkalion seems absent, Brillouin has been catching Z’s.

  • gregha

    Has anyone seen the other guys’ sites lately; Defkalion seems absent, Brillouin has been catching Z’s.

    • Jan Nie

      No, DGT is not absent. They are in preparation phase for preparation of pre-industrial prototype. They (will) sell plans (blueprints) for manufacture for future devices. These plans are priced 40,5 mil. EUR.

      They are not absent, they only refused to pay 9 USD for webhosting of their pages (one page).

      • Asterix

        There are plenty of other low-cost hosting services. Why have they not availed themselves of one, rather than go dark?

  • US_Citizen71

    I just reviewed the PDF linked below and after watching the videos and reviewing the claims it doesn’t add up. Light 50,000X the sun’s intensity on the surface of the earth is not being shown in the videos. The camera appears to be darkening to protect itself but I can’t rule out that someone off camera is just turning off the overhead lights during the demo. The average CMOS or CCD camera sensor should get fried from 50,000 times solar intensity of light without something at least as dark as a welder’s mask to protect them. No such filter is on the camera as everything looks normal when the demo isn’t running. The computer screen that is visible on the far left side is still visible during one of the demos, anyone who has ever used a laptop outside or looked at their smartphone outside knows that just sunlight makes the screen almost unviewable and that is without looking directly at the sun at the same time. My next issue is wavelengths of light. The shield around the machine is lexan. Lexan does not block UV and because of such is used as a protective shield in tanning beds. If the process is matching the solar spectra as shown on the graph then it should continue matching it in the UVB and UVC regions as well. The graph is cutoff right at the beginning of the UVB spectrum so this is an assumption. If it does match then Mills and his team should be suffering extreme sunburns from the UVB and UVA at the reported 50,000X intensity. They also should either have developed severe skin cancer or death from the UVC as the room isn’t filled with O3 to block it like the upper atmosphere does for the earth. He might have something but I do not see enough evidence to convince me at this time.

    • Ophelia Rump

      It is Infrared light, they should all be blind and smoking around the edges.
      But in fairness, that was just a spark show, not 100 kW.

      • US_Citizen71

        I get that it is a small scale device, but I find it hard to believe that the light was even as intense as an arc welder. Time will tell if he has the goods. If he isn’t demonstrating a device that can at least power itself by this time next year then it might be time to consider that he might be delusional. There is a fine line between genius and insanity, some of the most creative people in history have gone back and forth across that line.

        • Ophelia Rump

          I think the analogy of an arc welder is approximately to scale of what we saw. You make a very good point about crossing the line.

          I do not know what to think about this anymore. If he has a core technology it would make sense to me to prove that, and then move on to exotic implementations.

          He could have done a simple implementation already if had the core technology working which would be the normal development process.

          Apparently he is approaching the energy source and the advanced implementation in parallel. There are reasons no one ever does that. This is beyond bravado and self confidence, it extends into the realm of megalomania and self delusion. It is the equivalent of attempting to domesticate the horse and invent the wheel and cart, in parallel.

          Is it possible to be a successful megalomaniac? Yes. It happens.

          • US_Citizen71

            “Is it possible to be a successful megalomaniac? Yes. It happens.” – Edison, Jobs and Tesla come to mind.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Very good! Tesla yes. Edison was more of a carnival barker. I do not get the sense that he believed his own hype.

            We are too close to Jobs, let us leave him for posterity to judge.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            Jobs was a multimillionaire and denied he even had a daughter. He even named a computer LISA and claimed it was an acronym for something else. She had no “dad” or much money in her early years. My judgements about him were firm many years ago, and it’s common knowledge he stole his OS from Xerox which was later stolen by MS.

        • bachcole

          It is entirely possible that he has a great theory but also be delusional about more concrete things and the future.

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      It is released during a very small time frame. He has high speed cameras to show his point there. So the amount of energy the camera picks up is not much. I find it really hard to judge the validity from the seeing only in the demo.

  • Fibb

    The first slide in the big pdf is full of BS. RE: energy demand, renewables, and fossil fuels….

  • Fibb

    Further reading of the PDF makes me think less of BLP… not impressed at all. Sounds totally whacked.

  • Barry8

    Another let-down of a Blacklight demo.They’re not demos, they’re commercials. I used to have hope in Blacklight, but Mills is starting to resemble the “boy who cried wolf”.

    • bachcole

      This is the boy bragging about how he tamed the wolf, but no wolf.

  • Another let-down of a Blacklight demo.They’re not demos, they’re commercials. I used to have hope in Blacklight, but Mills is starting to resemble the “boy who cried wolf”.

    • bachcole

      This is the boy bragging about how he tamed the wolf, but no wolf.

  • bachcole

    More plans and designs and promises, but no demo.

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      They do look like hard working to me, and quite a lot of workers, do you think that a scam would be possible at this level of activity? All information is coherent, it might be a bit optimistic, but at this stage they have shown a COP at 5-6x (electricity in, heat out) and I doubt that it is a fake, excess heat have been reproduced in other labs. So at the very worst he should be able to match Rossi because explosions are a high concentration in energy, therefore high temperature heat should be doable. If this is a scam, it is a fantastic scam, it would be jail time for Mills and co, no doubt about that. About earlier failed attempts, He was overoptimistic, yes, but there must have been good reasons why the scale up did not pane out. So 100kW units I could by that they can create, 10MW at those form factors, we’ll see. Research is one success in every 10 failures.

  • bachcole

    More plans and designs and promises, but no demo.

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      They do look like hard working to me, and quite a lot of workers, do you think that a scam would be possible at this level of activity? All information is coherent, it might be a bit optimistic, but at this stage they have shown a COP at 5-6x (electricity in, heat out) and I doubt that it is a fake, excess heat have been reproduced in other labs. So at the very worst he should be able to match Rossi because explosions are a high concentration in energy, therefore high temperature heat should be doable. If this is a scam, it is a fantastic scam, it would be jail time for Mills and co, no doubt about that. About earlier failed attempts, He was overoptimistic, yes, but there must have been good reasons why the scale up did not pane out. So 100kW units I could by that they can create, 10MW at those form factors, we’ll see. Research is one success in every 10 failures.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Yes. Scam seems insane.

        What is the highest paid job in the world?

        Doctor Randell Mills is a real medical doctor who checks your pulse and high blood pressure and sends you for blood work. He received his medical license from Harvard University which makes him a higher end Doctor also.

        He is also a Phi Beta Kappa – (Club of Geniuses)

        So Mills can make $100k-$400k per year simply being a Doctor in your local Hospital if he wanted. He would have a really nice house for just 1 years pay, and buy a really nice car with another years pay.

        So why would he scam? For money? It does not make much sense. Just imagine what his education alone must have cost.

        Imagine how much you could bank in 25 years of being a Medical Doctor working at your nearest Hospital. It would certainly be enough for most of us to retire happily anywhere in the world with a maid and butler.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      The Demo was on the 21st? If you wanted to attend you should have reserved a seat. There’s still Bieber tickets available, but this demo is over. Why would you say something that is untrue as this?

  • bachcole

    Rossi and his E-Cat really and truly does not make any sense, except for one little matter. LENR+ and the E-Cat has some very convincing evidence. Mills? Not so much.

    • Ophelia Rump

      They use stacked cells, mirrors etc to distribute the light which would otherwise be to intense at the required distance. This solution is a recursive problem, whatever you expose to the full blast of released energy up front, needs to survive in order to distribute the energy to the rest. You replace the challenge of not burning up the cells with the challenge of not buring up what?

      They never really specify, apparently they are at least aware of the problems of light and heat and distance. If they actually have found a solution they have not displayed pride in the beauty of this key technology which would make it all possible.

      They would do well to highlight this miracle of engineering which makes it possible to compact that much light and heat into a small space and extract the energy from the light.

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      Rossi has the third party report, Mills has,

      http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/validation-reports/

      There is third party claims of excess heat generation in those reports. Hydrinos does have a spectra fingerprint that have been seen and match quite well with experiments and confirmed by third party. I don’t find those evidences weak. The only thing that scientists don’t go wild and try to reproduce or try to explain the result is that hydrinos is thought to have been debunked, mainly that they think they need to give up on QM (mills himself think and say so), my point is that most probably QM and hydrinos can fit together in the same theory. It’s a taken fact in those circuits that it is debunked so the just filter it all out as noise and we get virtually no one who can comment in a sane way why Mills is getting quantities to 11 digits precition and such, it takes 30min to check for the e.g. g-factor to see if there is any base on Mills theory, had they done that, science would have come much further than we stand today.

  • bachcole

    Rossi and his E-Cat really and truly does not make any sense, except for one little matter. LENR+ and the E-Cat has some very convincing evidence. Mills? Not so much.

    • Ophelia Rump

      They use stacked cells, mirrors etc to distribute the light which would otherwise be to intense at the required distance. This solution is a recursive problem, whatever you expose to the full blast of released energy up front, needs to survive in order to distribute the energy to the rest. You replace the challenge of not burning up the cells with the challenge of not burning up what?

      They never really specify, apparently they are at least aware of the problems of light and heat and distance. If they actually have found a solution they have not displayed pride in the beauty of this key technology which would make it all possible.

      They would do well to highlight this miracle interface.

      They direct the light upward into the cells, but that is not thermally efficient.
      You could direct the light in any direction. Heat always wants to go up.
      This seems counterproductive, what sort of man would do such a thing?

      • Justin

        A mirror reflecting light will not absorb the light and get hot – it’s something entirely different than having a solar cell converting the light to power, with a given efficiency, and the rest will be heat. A recursive problem? Whatever do you mean by that?

        • optiongeek

          yes – that’s why Mills has described the fact that 99.9% of the energy is in light form as “the greatest gift Nature has ever bestowed”. Light is extremely easy to work with – can be reflected and guided with essentially no loss and is why a fiber can transmit a signal for ~1000km between repeaters. Huge efficiency gains can be made as the prototype is enhanced with better optics.

        • Ophelia Rump

          What mirror can reflect the light of 50K suns?
          You would vaporize the silver off a conventional mirror.
          How is this done with laser technology, I do not know?
          It is a real problem, there is probably a solution to the mirror issue.

          Still there remains the exposure of whatever the direct interface is to all that energy. What is it that can withstand all of it without degrading.

          Mirrors will get hot from 84% waste heat rising in the chamber.

          The generator produces 60% waste heat.

          The solar cells are 40% efficient, 40% of 40% = 16% energy output as electricity and 84% waste heat.

          It must be one hell of a cooling system to be so much more efficient than the energy generation of the device. Why don’t we just tap the efficiency of the cooling system and forget the device.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            You are placing a lot of emphasis on the Optics getting damaged. Why does the window protecting the PV even need to remain in position. It could move and be cleaned during operation if it needed to be, and we do not yet know if it is an issue.

            Any distance would reduce the intensity. Do mirrors and such need to be right in the middle of the Plasma Burst in your opinion?

            How the heck can you drive in the rain with all that water getting on your windshield. IMPOSSIBLE!

        • Ophelia Rump

          By Recursive problem, I mean that whatever you use as an interface to prevent the destruction of the thing you want to protect, will suffer the same punishment, will need the same protection.

          Think ablative shielding on a reentry capsule from space. They had to go with a shield which burns off, because whatever other solution you use to shield the capsule needs a shield of it’s own, that is a recursive problem. The ablative sort of workaround is not possible here because whatever takes that abuse must not degrade optically.

          They must directly interface with the reactor something which will not degrade from all that heat, infrared light and whatever powder they feed through it. Before you can even feed the light into a fiber-optic system, you must gather it through a clean, clear undamaged interface a protective surface, directly exposed to all the abuse the device can muster. You cannot even allow the powder to build up on the surface. Did I mention what all the heat and light would do to powder resting on the clear surface, and what that would do to the surface itself?

          • Justin

            Yes. It could defenitly be a chalange – no doubt. But the space reference is not really the same type of situation – is it? Going through air at SuperSonic speed is not the same as reflecting “sun light” ?

            I was also thinking that the light is not contininous either and that’s part of the reason Mills is qouting more intense than x something suns. These are very short flashes so it not compareable to 50 000 continous suns or whatever the number is. We will see. I think if he has the light, and that’s for real, he will get it converted to power – sooner or later. About the powder on surface situation, I have heard some talk about this being done in vacuum and that eliminates the smoke and such. If that helps or not – I have no idea.

          • Ophelia Rump

            No absolutely not the same thing at all. Just an illustration of what I meant by recursive, and dealing with heat damage. After that point there is little or no analogy. Light is not so contentious, but infrared is. This gives off infrared which behaves differently from visible light. Anything exposed to intense infrared which can absorb that spectrum will become very hot, very fast. If he has a way to achieve that interface, then this device is a magnificent piece of design engineering.

            There is a lot of elegant design in the concept, and yet not putting the cells on the bottom and letting the heat rise away from the cells looks like poor design. Maybe they had valid reasons, I do not know.

            I am a little curious now. I remain doubtful that this is feasible. But I no longer reject it as insanely impractical.

            I simply do not like Mills style and so I doubt his credibility on that account. We will need to wait and see if he can deliver.

          • bachcole

            I think that too many people are impressed too much by Mills’ theories and not unimpressed enough by his demo failures. And I think that too many people are too unimpressed by cold fusion’s not obeying current mainstream theory and not impressed enough by Rossi’s et. al. demonstrations.

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      Rossi has the third party report, Mills has,

      http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/validation-reports/

      There is third party claims of excess heat generation in those reports. Hydrinos does have a spectra fingerprint that have been seen and match quite well with experiments and confirmed by third party. I don’t find those evidences weak. The only thing that scientists don’t go wild and try to reproduce or try to explain the result is that hydrinos is thought to have been debunked, mainly that they think they need to give up on QM (mills himself think and say so), my point is that most probably QM and hydrinos can fit together in the same theory. It’s a taken fact in those circuits that it is debunked so the just filter it all out as noise and we get virtually no one who can comment in a sane way why Mills is getting quantities to 11 digits precition and such, it takes 30min to check for the e.g. g-factor to see if there is any base on Mills theory, had they done that, science would have come much further than we stand today.

    • optiongeek

      Can you please point me to all this very convincing evidence you seem to think Rossi has provided? When I look at Mills, I see dozens of articles in refereed journals, including extensive validations by independent investigators that confirm both the underlying physical phenomena (such as continuum radiation at predicted EUV spectra) and multiple labs that have confirmed significant overunity effects. I see demonstrations of working elements that progressively confirm each aspect of the unit as it’s being developed. I can also verify using my own calculator that Mills-derived formulas describe reality better than the currently accepted QM theories. It all makes sense. It all adds up.
      With Rossi – it seems like there are rumors and suggestions and . . . what? Where are the videos of the working unit? Why haven’t we seen a boiler driven unit powering a yacht of journalists around Manhattan? On what basis are you making the claim that Rossi has the goods while insisting that Mills is merely a charlatan (apparently without ever having taken the most cursory look at the evidence).
      Please, enlighten me.

  • Dr. Mike

    Blacklight has not explained where they are going to find “conventional solar cells” that are more than 1% efficient at an illumination intensity of 50,000 suns as the internal series resistance of conventional solar cells limits their use to less than ~100 suns. Although there has surely been some improvement in conventional solar cells in the last 40 years, 3% efficiency was considered good for conventional solar cells at 100-300 suns in 1975 when I finished my PhD thesis on the interdigitated back contact (IBC) solar cell. The IBC cell has now reached efficiencies of up to 25% at illumination intensities of 100-500 suns, but only when the device is cooled to somewhat close to room temperature. Even if Blacklight were to use the more expensive IBC solar cells, it appears to be an insurmountable task to operate these devices at 50,0000 suns, where both cooling and internal series resistance would be serious problems, limiting the efficiency. (My original IBC device was showing a roll-off of efficiency above about 200 suns.) My guess is that Blacklight would be much better off designing a system that converts the light to heat and then use the heat to generate electricity.

    • fritz194

      I´m no expert in that field….. just thinking about the impact of series resistance…

      Considering an IBC cell with 25% efficiency at 100-300suns … I would assume the internal series resistance of less than 10% of the load resistance – so 2.5% of that 25% would contribute to the internal series resistance.
      If I increase the illumination by factor of 10 – the load resistance has to be reduced by factor of 10 (because the cell is a voltage source) – which means that the internal series resistance is now similar to the load resistance. So I would get 50% efficiency loss because of that – having a 12.5% cell than (assuming that conversion itself still operates with 25%).
      Increasing illumination by another factor of 10 will give us 90% losses due to load resistance – that´s would result in a 2.5% efficiency – if there are no other saturation effects……

      • Ophelia Rump

        With fiber optics they can be in parallel. Judging from the diagram what this is referring to as fiber optics are panels of some optical glass with an edge open above the window to the device.

        But what material can you use which is IR transparent and can withstand being extremely close to the source of the reaction and the heat and the pellet material, not lose it’s optical clarity, and not become encrusted, will not pit from bits of extremely hot pellet sticking to it, and will not conduct the heat into the fiber optics?

        I see a rinsing line with jets in the diagram, and a water collection drain.
        So he intends to spray the mirror and window continuously with water.
        With all that heat will it become steam cleaning? The debris from the window and the reaction chamber will fall down onto the mirror continuously.

        Maybe some exotic quartz gorilla glass with a nano nonstick surface could work. Do they say they have any dealings with Corning?

        You could deal with heat conduction by having a vacuum bubble between to pieces of the glass, if it meets the rest of the requirements. But they do not make a provision for that.

        The specification say 40% transmitted through two lexan shields. There is no way that lexan can withstand 100 kW of power. I think the Suncell design cannot be scaled up. Maybe it will work for automotive scale, the demands are far lower with a low power output.

        • deleo77

          Definitely getting technical and specific, so I think only Mills can address your issues with his design, but the question below was asked of him recently and his response is below. One thing I am pretty sure is that Mills is not going to engineer any part of the PV component of the SunCell,so the shield will be made by the PV guys.

          Hi Dr. Mills.

          One of the topics recently discussed over at the Vortex-l group has expressed doubts about how robust PV cells might need to be when intimately configured with SunCell technology. There have been some posts that have expressed concerns that the highly concentrated amount of energy being emitted from BLP’s SunCell technology, particularly in its full spectrum, as well as the sonic concussions being generated 2000 times per second, could possibly lay waste to the integrity of the PV technology being used – perhaps quickly so. I think the implication being made here is that the actual energy gain could drop dramatically, and possibly to a negative net gain because PV cells (which tend to consume a lot of energy in their initial fabrication) would have to be replaced frequently, and as such, eat into the surplus energy equation.

          Mills Response:

          The cell has a window to protect the PV, and the PV is warranted for 25 years at the rated power. We are working directly with six manufactures. They see this as an enormous market opportunity. These concerns are nonexistent.

        • optiongeek

          Please keep in mind how much importance Mills has placed on the fact that the vast majority the energy is in light form, not shockwave. Consider also that a photon that is reflected from a surface imparts “zero” momentum to that surface and therefore can’t cause any heat. The same for photons being focused in a lens. It’s only when a photon ends up being absorbed can energy transfer be an issue. I was concerned about degradation of the reaction chamber surfaces as well but Mills has convinced me he has thought thru these issues and has designed his scientific process to be in sync with the engineering challenges.

        • friendlyprogrammer

          I had asked Mills how he planned on keeping the optical components clean and he said it would be addressed in the July 21 Demo. I suppose we need to see it before we can know if true.

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      If you read the report below. They will spread out the light, as it looks to divide the intensity by a factor of 50. They also show that there is PEV’s at about 1000 suns and show their datasheets. You seams to have experience in this field. You should appreciate those data.

    • GreenWin

      As Stefan notes, Mills has included the specs for several different Concentrating PV arrays. The Triple Junction CPV SJ3 cell claims ~40% continuous at 1k suns. These will require a cooling system to maintain 25C optemp. The Azur Space ADAM CPV system utilizes an active liquid cooling system (e.g. water) at similar efficiency though lower, (700) sun peak. Mills notes an operating temp of 600C at the ignition electrodes – not ambient for unit.

      Since these CPV manufacturers sell to large solar concentrator projects, they have already engineered for most thermal considerations. Mills has only to spread the 50k suns across his vertical array e.g. 50 CPV modules and connect the active cooling for each. The vertical array in his design utilize semi-transparent mirrors for light distribution. These will cause an optical loss – for which his engineering team will need to make adjustments.

      Overall the general specs (slide 57) and the 10MW unit (slide 58) appear reasonable. There seem no major engineering impediments. So the 16-18 week prototype timeline is plausible. Further, it would help if prior to commenting from pure emotion, people would minimally read through the document Mills provides. And keep in mind the goal is low cost abundant energy for commerce and humanitarian distribution.

  • Facepalm

    Claims by BLP:

    1999: Will commercialize a hydrino power generator within a year. 1000 W, within 4 months.

    2005: Only months away from commercialization.

    2008: 50000 W, within 12 to 18 months.

    2009: Commercialization within 1 year to 18 months.

    2012: 100 W by the end of 2012, 1500 W 2013

    2014: 100000 W in 16 to 18 weeks.

    • Wow! Of coarse, in the fine print there’s a disclaimer that reads “16 to 18 weeks unless there is a change in management”.

      • GreenWin

        No Barry8. The footnote to the timeline says “current management estimate, subject to change.”

        “Accuracy is the twin brother of honesty; inaccuracy, of dishonesty.” Hawthorn

        • I stand corrected. I was to lazy to download their slideshow (which never did produce any workable videos). Either way it’s an a$$-saving disclaimer.

          • GreenWin

            No again. It is Mills saying the timeline could slip. If it does, more than likely the cost will increase, meaning a $$-increase disclaimer.

          • Interpret as you will, but after Facepalms listing abaove “1999: Will commercialize a hydrino power generator within a year. 1000 W, within 4 months…”and so on, it seems the statement “current management estimate, subject to change.” has been going on for 15 years. I hope Mills has something, but as far as Blacklight is concerned, I’m going to side with the people of Missouri (the show-me state).

          • bachcole

            Yes. When it comes to ANY scientifically fringe study, theory is usually not all that useful. I want to see a Sasquatch body before I can going to spend a lot of time theorizing about how it got to Oregon.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Or… You could look at it this way.

      In each of those stages they had abundant third party verifications. Even though we have seen a “Third party Verification” from Andrea Rossi it was not real. Technically a third party verification would involve your own lab, equipment, parts, and fuel. I like Rossi and accept LENR, but we have never really seen a verification as would be acceptable by science.

      Mills was trying to industrialize a Theory into power. This took on various faces and a long time ago he was even using Nickel Hydrogen reactions and was using the alleged Lithium catalyst many years before Rossi.

      So the company may be prone to excitement, but they are following logical progressions.

      Two things are certain now though. BLP has filed worldwide patents on this Suncell which is new.

      It will also be true that Dr Randell Mills graduated from University in the top 10% of his class. He then went to Harvard University to become a medical Doctor and was honored by becoming a member of Phi Beta Kappa (Academia organization of geniuses basically)

      He then invented a Brain Scanner that helps many epileptics to this day, and The Mossbauer Cancer treatment system that reduces the amount of Chemotherapy needed by a thousandfold.

      http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4815447.html

      and

      http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5073858.html

      So the man has already probably saved more lives than you or I, let’s cut him a little slack.

      He does not need to be a fraud to make money. We all know Doctors are normally paid very well, and being a Harvard Doctor is no exception.

      Personally I think his patent will need to be approved in about 3-5 years before we will see production. So even though I recognize his abilities, I also think he is prone to excitement.

      He has never been as emphatic as now though. It’s a little contagious.

      • Facepalm

        Elforsk wrote:

        Whence these researchers have received payment for their validations are not known . Therefore, the following result from six validation protocol are not considered third party validations.
        http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/11/new-human-translation-of-elforsk-lenr-report/

        Comments from e-catworld.com:

        Pekka Janhunen
        Frank: criticism: selection of title “Third parties validate blacklight power claims.” In my opinion not , since the statements are weak and possibly cherrypicked out of context. It’s nowhere near validation in the same sense as Levi et al. Of course, you never claimed that, but the title might let someone believe so. Generally I appreciate your work and usually have no problems with the titling.

        Pedro
        I noticed that 2 of the testimonials (Copeland and Ensel) contained
        exactly the same statement: “The power generation is consistent with Dr.
        Mills theory of energy release release resulting from hydrino
        formation. No other source of energy could be identified”. Weird if 2
        independent observers use exactly the same wording! Are they asked to use this wording in order to support Dr. Mills or his patents?

        ecatworld Admin
        Good find. The second ENSER report also has that phrase.
        http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/third-parties-validate-blacklight-power-claims/

        • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

          There seam to be 5 new validation reports since the above. Payments I don’t know, but it is people who claim to have done experiments in their own labs. It certainly look like there is a vast effort trying to get academic results out to validate the technology. My take on this is that they have by now filed enough patents that they can be more open about the tech and send samples and such to other labs. I hope that they intend to be generous to let academics verify the tech. It will turn the tide of acceptance and make for good references in the patent processes.

          • GreenWin

            Mills provides complete documentation for the CIHT process. ANY academic or government lab could run their own experiments and publish reports. The fact that essentially NONE have done so is even more curious than validation wording.

        • friendlyprogrammer

          I think if I was validating I would look at product and read previous validations. I don’t see how wording should be interpreted as signs of fraud. I think the statement is clear and concise and I would likely repeat it in yet another validation if I was assigned to it.

      • Doc

        FYI, the MIRAGE Mossbauer cancer treatment patented by Mills was debunked in an article in Nature in 1989. He made a basic error in his experimental controls. MIRAGE is not used by anyone today.

        Title:
        Mössbauer cancer therapy doubts
        Authors:
        Brenner, D. J.; Geard, C. R.; Hall, E. J.
        Affiliation:
        AA(Radiological
        Research Laboratory, College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia
        University, New York, New York 10032, USA), AB(Radiological Research
        Laboratory, College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University,
        New York, New York 10032, USA), AC(Radiological Research Laboratory,
        College of Physicians and Surgeons of Columbia University, New York, New
        York 10032, USA)
        Publication:
        Nature, Volume 339, Issue 6221, pp. 185-186 (1989). (Nature Homepage)

  • fritz194

    I´m no expert in that field….. just thinking about the impact of series resistance…

    Considering an IBC cell with 25% efficiency at 100-300suns … I would assume the internal series resistance of less than 10% of the load resistance – so 2.5% of that 25% would contribute to the internal series resistance.
    If I increase the illumination by factor of 10 – the load resistance has to be reduced by factor of 10 (because the cell is a voltage source) – which means that the internal series resistance is now similar to the load resistance. So I would get 50% efficiency loss because of that – having a 12.5% cell than (assuming that conversion itself still operates with 25%).
    Increasing illumination by another factor of 10 will give us 90% losses due to load resistance – that´s would result in a 2.5% efficiency – if there are no other saturation effects……

    • Ophelia Rump

      With fiber optics they can be in parallel.
      But what material can you use which is IR transparent and can withstand being extremely close to the source of the reaction and the heat and the pellet material, not lose it’s optical clarity, and not become encrusted, and will not conduct the heat into the fiber optics?

      • deleo77

        Definitely getting technical and specific, so I think only Mills can address your issues with his design, but the question below was asked of him recently and his response is below. One thing I am pretty sure is that Mills is not going to engineer any part of the PV component of the SunCell,so the shield will be made by the PV guys.

        Hi Dr. Mills.

        One of the topics recently discussed over at the Vortex-l group has expressed doubts about how robust PV cells might need to be when intimately configured with SunCell technology. There have been some posts that have expressed concerns that the highly concentrated amount of energy being emitted from BLP’s SunCell technology, particularly in its full spectrum, as well as the sonic concussions being generated 2000 times per second, could possibly lay waste to the integrity of the PV technology being used – perhaps quickly so. I think the implication being made here is that the actual energy gain could drop dramatically, and possibly to a negative net gain because PV cells (which tend to consume a lot of energy in their initial fabrication) would have to be replaced frequently, and as such, eat into the surplus energy equation.

        Mills Response:

        The cell has a window to protect the PV, and the PV is warranted for 25 years at the rated power. We are working directly with six manufactures. They see this as an enormous market opportunity. These concerns are nonexistent.

  • malkom700

    The fact is that there are more competitors in the LENR field and probably all are real to some degree. In the present stage, we can not know who will be the winner because nobody does not play with cards showing who. Mills might just be the winner.

  • malkom700

    The fact is that there are more competitors in the LENR field and probably all are real to some degree. In the present stage, we can not know who will be the winner because nobody does not play with cards showing who. Mills might just be the winner.

  • Sanjeev

    I guess the commentators below have not read the slides posted by Artefact, so I highly recommend reading them. The small size file is here:

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/072114Demonstration-Abbreviated.pdf

    You can skip the theory part, most of us know what it is. The really interesting part starts at slide #48, where some drawings of their latest design are shown. Slide #57 shows the specifications, for the first time I think, and I’m glad to see some numbers after months of airy-fairy claims.

    The output is 2MW optical and input is 10 KW, so theoretical max efficiency is 200. How much of this gets converted into electricity will depend on the design of the device and efficiency of PV cells, which are concentrated PV cells btw of a claimed efficiency of 40%.

    The operating temperature is stated as 600C max, which should address the worry of PVs melting due to too much heat and light. ( I do not know if someone really measured it, but lets assume its not a lie).

    They are using a parabolic reflector to collect the light and mirrors to point it on the CPV modules placed above vertically. Although this design is not the best, it may work for prototype purpose. This should answer the question if they are going to use a football stadium sized PV array to utilize the 1000s of suns of brightness. The distance will be a few cm and focusing will help to minimize the losses.

    Another first is that they are hiring an engineering firm to make the prototype (in 6 months, he says). This is a good step because their biggest weakness is bad engineering resulting in unimpressive demos. They are firm in the areas of theory, patents and validations, but failed so far in convincing demos/tests. The grand claims also do not help. I hope the specifications here are not merely “extrapolations” of lab data and someone really measured them in demo.

    It seems to be that the other specifications of 10MW suncell are extrapolations only. We will see how real they become.

  • Sanjeev

    I guess the commentators below have not read the slides posted by Artefact, so I highly recommend reading them. The small size file is here:

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/072114Demonstration-Abbreviated.pdf

    You can skip the theory part, most of us know what it is. The really interesting part starts at slide #48, where some drawings of their latest design are shown. Slide #57 shows the specifications, for the first time I think, and I’m glad to see some numbers after months of airy-fairy claims.

    The output is 2MW optical and input is 10 KW, so theoretical max efficiency is 200. How much of this gets converted into electricity will depend on the design of the device and efficiency of PV cells, which are concentrated PV cells btw of a claimed efficiency of 40%.

    The operating temperature is stated as 600C max, which should address the worry of PVs melting due to too much heat and light. ( I do not know if someone really measured it, but lets assume its not a lie).

    They are using a parabolic reflector to collect the light and mirrors to point it on the CPV modules placed above vertically. Although this design is not the best, it may work for prototype purpose. This should answer the question if they are going to use a football stadium sized PV array to utilize the 1000s of suns of brightness. The distance will be a few cm and focusing will help to minimize the losses.

    Another first is that they are hiring an engineering firm to make the prototype (in 6 months, he says). This is a good step because their biggest weakness is bad engineering resulting in unimpressive demos. They are firm in the areas of theory, patents and validations, but failed so far in convincing demos/tests. The grand claims also do not help. I hope the specifications here are not merely “extrapolations” of lab data and someone really measured them in demo.

    It seems to be that the other specifications of 10MW suncell are extrapolations only. We will see how real they become.

  • Job001

    Given Mills is honest; Mighty efficient light bulb, one unit of energy in 100 units of light out.

    Given Mills is a super promoter;Lightning, fire, and brimstone, trap for the unwary.

    Given Scientists hate Mills;Paradoxically, disagreeable hydrino model, yet everything isn’t known.

    Given Heavy Engineering;Improved plans, model and demo.

    Given quality research work;Standard science assumptions and limitations questionable.

    Given inadequate independent replication;It is sales promotion, not science yet.

  • Job001

    Given Mills is honest; Mighty efficient light bulb, one unit of energy in 100 units of light out.

    Given Mills is a super promoter;Lightning, fire, and brimstone, trap for the unwary.

    Given Scientists hate Mills;Paradoxically, disagreeable hydrino model, yet everything isn’t known.

    Given Heavy Engineering;Improved plans, model and demo.

    Given quality research work;Standard science assumptions and limitations questionable.

    Given inadequate independent replication;It is sales promotion, not science yet.

  • Fortyniner

    As I understand it, the ‘fuel’ is water, and the chemical is just a carrier that is continuously recycled by rehydration using a tank of water. A light metal oxide/hydroxide would meet this criterion, and such compounds are very inexpensive.

    There are many greater issues with Mills’ proposals, even if he is able to get a prototype to run for a few seconds, not least, the weight and size of low voltage, high current transformers, damage to substrate and equipment cause by arcs, dirt/spatter on optical collecting apparatus, low efficiency of PVs, and waste heat collection and removal. Any one of the above is probably enough to sink this Heath Robinson system as a serious energy source.

    IMHO Mills needs to go back to basics and measure output from a set number of explosions inside a bomb calorimeter by triggering each in turn through manually switched external contacts (no internal moving parts). If/when he can demonstrate a real power output in excess of current consumed, he can move onto the next step – and so on.

    His insistence on constructing complex multi-step spectacles that by their nature obfuscate whatever is really happening strikes me as the action of a showman who aims to exploit technical illiterates, rather than that of a scientist. I hope my impression is wrong, but I certainly haven’t seen any reason to change my mind so far.

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      I agree that I would like to see a much more focused trial of getting high energy yield. But we don’t know what he knows by now. And it’s a bit crazy to not verify a good yield of energy before. But he claims that most of the energy is used to get through the enclosing, and that the second step will include a removal of that. But from an outsider it sure looks like a lot of work is done assuming a good energy yield that haven’t been shown.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    If you read the report below. They will spread out the light, as it looks to divide the intensity by a factor of 50. They also show that there is PEV’s at about 1000 suns and show their datasheets. You seams to have experience in this field. You should appreciate those data.

  • GreenWin

    As Stefan notes, Mills has included the specs for several different Concentrating PV arrays. The Triple Junction CPV SJ3 cell claims ~40% continuous at 1k suns. These will require a cooling system to maintain 25C optemp. The Azur Space ADAM CPV system utilizes an active liquid cooling system (e.g. water) at similar efficiency though lower, (700) sun peak. Mills notes an operating temp of 600C at the ignition electrodes – not ambient for unit.

    Since these CPV manufacturers sell to large solar concentrator projects, they have already engineered for most thermal considerations. Mills has only to spread the 50k suns across his vertical array e.g. 50 CPV modules and connect the active cooling for each. The vertical array in his design utilize semi-transparent mirrors for light distribution. These will cause an optical loss – for which his engineering team will need to make adjustments.

    Overall the general specs (slide 57) and the 10MW unit (slide 58) appear reasonable. There seem no major engineering impediments. So the 16-18 week prototype timeline is plausible. Further, it would help if prior to commenting from pure emotion, people would minimally read through the document Mills provides. And keep in mind the goal is low cost abundant energy for commerce and humanitarian distribution.

  • Adam J

    I wonder what VOLVO will do when they see Mills is using an XC90 in his sales promotion.
    Already working with VOLVO?…. Don’t think so..

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Volvo is not being hurt in any way? I see no issue. Once you buy the car you are allowed to modify it any way you like. It would seem more flattery.

  • Barry8

    Wow!

    • GreenWin

      No Barry8. The footnote to the timeline says “current management estimate, subject to change.”

      “Accuracy is the twin brother of honesty; inaccuracy, of dishonesty.” Hawthorn

      • Barry8

        I stand corrected. I was to lazy to download their slideshow (which never did produce any workable videos). Either way it’s an a$$-saving disclaimer.

        • GreenWin

          No again. It is Mills saying the timeline could slip. If it does, more than likely the cost will increase, meaning a $$-increase disclaimer.

          • Barry8

            Interpret as you will, but after Facepalms listing abaove “1999: Will commercialize a hydrino power generator within a year. 1000 W, within 4 months…”and so on, it seems the statement “current management estimate, subject to change.” has been going on for 15 years. I hope Mills has something, but as far as Blacklight is concerned, I’m going to side with the people of Missouri (the show-me state).

  • Ophelia Rump

    What mirror can reflect the light of 50K suns?

    You would vaporize the silver off a conventional mirror.

  • Ophelia Rump

    I mean that whatever you use as an interface to prevent the destruction of the thing you want to protect, will suffer the same punishment.

    Think ablative shielding on a reentry capsule from space. They had to go with a shield which burns off. That sort of workaround is not possible here because whatever takes that abuse must not degrade optically.

    • Justin

      Yes. It could defenitly be a chalange – no doubt. But the space reference is not really the same type of situation – is it? Going through air at SuperSonic speed is not the same as reflecting “sun light” ?

      I was also thinking that the light is not contininous either and that’s part of the reason Mills is qouting more intense than x something suns. These are very short flashes so it not compareable to 50 000 continous suns or whatever the number is. We will see. I think if he has the light, and that’s for real, he will get it converted to power – sooner or later. About the powder on surface situation, I have heard some talk about this being done in vacuum and that eliminates the smoke and such. If that helps or not – I have no idea.

      • Ophelia Rump

        No absolutely not the same thing at all. Just an illustration of what I meant by recursive, and dealing with heat damage. After that point there is little or no analogy. Light is not so contentious, but infrared is. This gives off infrared which behaves differently from visible light. Anything exposed to intense infrared which can absorb that spectrum will become very hot, very fast. If he has a way to achieve that interface, then this device is a magnificent piece of design engineering.

        There is a lot of elegant design in the concept, and yet not putting the cells on the bottom and letting the heat rise away from the cells looks like poor design. Maybe they had valid reasons, I do not know.

        I am a little curious now. I remain doubtful that this is feasible. But I no longer reject it as insanely impractical.

        I simply do not like Mills style and so I doubt his credibility on that account. We will need to wait and see if he can deliver.

  • Hector McNuget

    Friends! The Rossi has reproduced with all, he says ALL, LENR patents and publications. Of wokring list of LENR reproducing, Mills is not the member of said lists. Confusions is made by Mills’s acquisitions of independnt 3rd party reports, as the Rossi teams does. How make the evaulations fairly-squarely? Which facts, which evidents, is the fully truth?

    • Andy Kumar

      Hector,
      Don’t try to sow seeds of doubt among the faithful by your innocent little questions. Like beauty, truth is in the eyes of the beholder.
      The truth that we are seeking to prove by hard indipendent evidences may have to be taken as axiomatically true. Like parallel lines never meet, or do they? Depends if you are Euclid or NOT.

      • Hector McNuget

        not efforts of making sewing doubts. Just much bellies full of schnapps, increase of the confusion.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Or… You could look at it this way.

    In each of those stages they had abundant third party verifications. Even though we have seen a “Third party Verification” from Andrea Rossi it was not real. Technically a third party verification would involve your own lab, equipment, parts, and fuel. I like Rossi and accept LENR, but we have never really seen a verification as would be acceptable by science.

    Mills was trying to industrialize a Theory into power. This took on various faces and a long time ago he was even using Nickel Hydrogen reactions and was using the alleged Lithium catalyst many years before Rossi.

    So the company may be prone to excitement, but they are following logical progressions.

    Two things are certain now though. BLP has filed worldwide patents on this Suncell which is new.

    It will also be true that Dr Randell Mills graduated from University in the top 10% of his class. He then went to Harvard University to become a medical Doctor and was honored by becoming a member of Phi Beta Kappa (Academia organization of geniuses basically)

    He then invented a Brain Scanner that helps many epileptics to this day, and The Mossbauer Cancer treatment system that reduces the amount of Chemotherapy needed by a thousandfold.

    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4815447.html

    and

    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5073858.html

    So the man has already probably saved more lives than you or I, let’s cut him a little slack.

    He does not need to be a fraud to make money. We all know Doctors are normally paid very well, and being a Harvard Doctor is no exception.

    Personally I think his patent will need to be approved in about 3-5 years before we will see production. So even though I recognize his abilities, I also think he is prone to excitement.

    He has never been as emphatic as now though. It’s a little contagious.

    • Hope4DBest

      Is Mills paying you to try to obscure the fact that he has been lying for decades?

  • Daniel Maris

    I don’t know Hector. You seem a master of linguistic analysis – why don’t you tell us?

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    There seam to be 5 new validation reports since the above. Payments I don’t know, but it is people who claim to have done experiments in their own labs. It certainly look like there is a vast effort trying to get academic results out to validate the technology. My take on this is that they have by now filed enough patents that they can be more open about the tech and send samples and such to other labs. I hope that they intend to be generous to let academics verify the tech. It will turn the tide of acceptance and make for good references in the patent processes.

    • GreenWin

      Mills provides complete documentation for the CIHT process. ANY academic or government lab could run their own experiments and publish reports. The fact that essentially NONE have done so is even more curious than validation wording.

  • Ophelia Rump

    I had an idea for building a High Temperature Electrolysis device.

    If you ignite bits of aluminum an electrical arc inside a cloud of water vapor, the arc would burn the aluminum causing electrolysis of the water and then burn the hydrogen, you could just keep feeding this plasma bits of of aluminum?

    Aluminum burns at 3826 C.
    High Temperature Electrolysis occurs at 850 C.
    In electrolysis the hydrogen separates from the oxygen.
    If you added solar cells you could convert the IR which the burning aluminum gives off to electricity. You would get out more heat than just burning the aluminum because you get the hydrogen from the electrolysis too!

    Do you think I can get a patent?
    Then darndest thing, The BLP device and my device are built exactly the same way, and use exactly the same fuels, except mine works from electrolysis, and his is LENR.

    • HiggsField

      Where did you get Al from? I read on Vortex-I that he is using powdered Ti.

  • Ophelia Rump

    The BLP device is not a LENR device it is an HHO High Temperature Thermolysis device.

    If you ignite bits of aluminum with an electrical arc inside a cloud of water vapor, the arc burns the aluminum causing thermolysis of the water and then burns the hydrogen causing more thermolysis and burning more of the water vapor, the cloud of water vapor explodes and simultaneously the earlier part of the reaction implodes as it spreads across the vapor cloud.

    High Temperature Thermolysis occurs at the relatively low temperature 850°C.
    Aluminum burns at the higher temperature of 3826 °C.
    HHO gas burns from 2600 to 3200 °C
    The burning aluminum can easily cause thermolysis as can the burning of the HHO gas.

    In thermolysis the hydrogen separates from the oxygen of the water molecules in the vapor, forming explosive HHO Gas. The BLP device can be explained simply as thermolysis.

    Once you light this, it would be self sustaining, except for the fact that HHO gas has a characteristic explosive / implosive behavior which would make it require continuous re-ignition from the arc. This would explain the curious pulse behavior. The BLP device demo even has the characteristic explosive crack of an HHO Explosion / Implosion.

    I feel really bad for anyone who has given Mills money. Call your lawyer now!
    There is no LENR here. This is a magic trick.
    Seriously, if you gave that man money, pick up the phone, call a lawyer.

    Maybe he started out with a water for fuel concept long ago. Although there is an explosion there is simultaneously part of the cloud already imploding after it has exploded. You can’t run an engine with this form of water cloud HHO as fuel. If you put this in an engine cylinder the explosion / implosion will cancel itself out as the reaction progressively spreads across the vapor cloud, it will not push a piston.

    You can’t make stuff like this up!

    • HiggsField

      Where did you get Al from? I read on Vortex-I that he is using powdered Ti.

    • Mark Underwood

      On the contrary you seem to be doing a fine job of making stuff up! Now try explaining the soft x-rays and the blackbody spectrum using your theory.

    • Chemist

      How do you make powdered aluminum that doesnt instantly oxidize in air? Pure aluminum does explode in water, it is a terrible spot for electrons. However, unless you prepare elemental aluminum in an oxygen depleted environment, it will perform the reaction your talking about instantly (aluminum foil is coated by a layer of aluminum oxide.) Not that im trying to validate the BLP process, but the demo you are suggesting would have to be performed in vacuum, or at least in an inert atmosphere, neither of which is the case.

  • Ophelia Rump

    My dog is shaking his head, there seems to be some issue with your numbers, It is hard to tell, he is an old dog and relies heavily on his slide rule these days.

  • Andy Kumar

    Hector,
    Don’t try to sow seeds of doubt among the faithful by your innocent little questions. Like beauty, truth is in the eyes of the beholder.
    The truth that we are seeking to prove by hard indipendent evidences may have to be taken as axiomatically true. Like parallel lines never meet, or do they? Depends if you are Euclid or NOT.

  • GreenWin

    Hecktor: “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” Charles Caleb Colton

  • Daniel Maris

    OK, you’ve proved your point. You can murder the English language more than Rossi does. Well done, Mr PTaker. Please now take your schtick somewhere else. And I say that politely.

  • Daniel Maris

    Let us pray:

    “Oh Lord though we know it to be highly unlikely, we beseech you it be that Randell Mills is not giving us the run-around like for the last 20 years and actually has something here, even though we know that is most unlikely.”

    • Ophelia Rump

      Oh he does have something he does! I am now a Mills believer, he has an HHO / aluminum burner. See my posting below. This is not LENR but it could win a science fair!

  • Omega Z

    None of the players have the validation as of yet that we would like to see. Why Is That? Ask Main Stream Science.

    Ahh, MSS, Would you take a look at this? NO! It’s Junk Science.
    Well, Have you looked into the progress of the last 25 years. The replications, the reports, ETC,… No! Nor do WE intend to. It’s Pseudoscience and is not deserving of our attention.

    We all need to keep this in mind whether it’s Mills, Rossi or Whoever. This is a tough field to be involved in. You don’t have to be a fraud or scammer. It is assumed. And anyone who would even give it notice is Guilty by Association. Validation is hard to come by.

    You want to convince me. Make me a cup of Tea. And after I have drank it, Make me another cup of Tea. Just Kidding. It is still Pseudoscience!

    As to Mill’s SunCell. I think it has merit. Some of the numbers tossed around, I think taken out of context. They vary according to scale. As to Mill’s timeline. I would laugh. However, he has included his own disclaimer. Thus, I will not. I see many Engineering issue’s ahead.

    Note: All LENR researchers are overly optimistic. As In- WOW, Glad that’s accomplished. It’s smooth sailing from here on out.
    Yeah—-, If I had a dollar every time I mistakenly made that statement. I’d have more money then Bill Gates.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Drink, drank, drunk.

      Drink it. He drank it. After I have drunk it.

      Sorry! I could not resist, how often to you get the chance?

      • E-CAT suomi

        Have to say, BLP demo was dissapointing again. Those systems had high voltage and current capable units connected, yet he did not display any voltage and current data to avail. Just showed the explosien techniques again. I need to know how much current it draws and how high voltage it needs. Damn pointless demo.

  • Omega Z

    None of the players have the validation as of yet that we would like to see. Why Is That? Ask Main Stream Science.

    Ahh, MSS, Would you take a look at this? NO! It’s Junk Science.
    Well, Have you looked into the progress of the last 25 years. The replications, the reports, ETC,… No! Nor do WE intend to. It’s Pseudoscience and is not deserving of our attention.

    We all need to keep this in mind whether it’s Mills, Rossi or Whoever. This is a tough field to be involved in. You don’t have to be a fraud or scammer. It is assumed. And anyone who would even give it notice is Guilty by Association. Validation is hard to come by.

    You want to convince me. Make me a cup of Tea. And after I have drank it, Make me another cup of Tea. Just Kidding. It is still Pseudoscience!

    As to Mill’s SunCell. I think it has merit. Some of the numbers tossed around, I think taken out of context. They vary according to scale. As to Mill’s timeline. I would laugh. However, he has included his own disclaimer. Thus, I will not. I see many Engineering issue’s ahead.

    Note: All LENR researchers are overly optimistic. As In- WOW, Glad that’s accomplished. It’s smooth sailing from here on out.
    Yeah—-, If I had a dollar every time I mistakenly made that statement. I’d have more money then Bill Gates.

    • Andy Kumar

      “Validation is hard to come by.”
      What happened to “In Markets, We Trust”. I don’t know Mills history. But you say he had 20 years to steer this boat to IPO on Wall Street. I am afraid he is ship wrecked on the isle of hard science reality overlooking the Market Mainland. Oh so close, yet so far.
      Sorry for mixing metaphors. As Hector would say, trying to make understand by painting mental pictures.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Drink, drank, drunk.

      Drink it. He drank it. After I have drunk it.

      Sorry! I could not resist, how often to you get the chance?

    • friendlyprogrammer

      I’m not sure timeline is too problematic because I’m pretty sure nobody would risk manufacturing a product that is patent pending. If competitors ran with it even for 2 years he could lose a lot and his then proven theory might go towards something better that he has no stake in.

      However with a prototype he could start paving the way a bit with publicity such as driving a car along Forest Gumps running route without refueling.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Mills device is a glorified HHO burner. He is out of the running for LENR.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    I think if I was validating I would look at product and read previous validations. I don’t see how wording should be interpreted as signs of fraud. I think the statement is clear and concise and I would likely repeat it in yet another validation if I was assigned to it.

  • Geewhiz

    Here’s a ~70kw concentrated solar system which uses 40% efficient triple junction cells at ~500 suns.
    http://amonix.com/content/cpv-technology
    Note this a real life (as opposed to fantasy world) device that’s in service today.
    A Tesla supercharger requires 100kw
    A Tesla slow charge from home current 10kw
    Does it look to you like this device will fit in the trunk of an XC-70?

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      The area of the shown devices seams to be large because they are facing the sun, 1sun.
      500sun would be something quite smaller. Could it that the thickness of these devices is
      due to optics that concentrate the 1sun to 500sun e.g. shrink 23x in both dimensions. Also of cause the SunCell is a fantasi atm. There is absolutely nothing like it that we can compare to. This makes it difficult to judge and can easily give a knee jerk feeling of unreality.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329782.700-strange-dark-stuff-is-making-the-universe-too-bright.html?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=SOC&utm_campaign=hoot&cmpid=SOC|NSNS|2013-GLOBAL-hoot#.U9IpCqO9bPo

    The link above states the brightness of the Universe calculation is off my a magnitude of up to 400%. This seems to be evidence towards the existence of the Hydrino state also.

  • Ophelia Rump

    The BLP is burning aluminum in a water vapor causing Thermolysis, the splitting of the water into hydrogen and oxygen and burning the hydrogen as well as the aluminum.

    For anyone doubting the power of burning aluminum and water together I offer the following video.

    Aluminum + Ice = Rocket Fuel

    http://gizmodo.com/5418897/aluminum-%252B-ice–rocket-fuel

  • Ophelia Rump

    The BLP is burning aluminum in a water vapor causing Thermolysis, the splitting of the water into hydrogen and oxygen and burning the hydrogen as well as the aluminum.

    For anyone doubting the power of burning aluminum and water together I offer the following video.

    Aluminum + Ice = Rocket Fuel

    http://gizmodo.com/5418897/aluminum-%252B-ice–rocket-fuel

    Before anyone believes in hydrinos, or that BLP is LENR, they must first subtract the power of the rocket fuel which they are burning from the equation.

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    Here is a page filled with inventions based upon the same principle.
    http://tesla3.com/free_websites/water_explosion.html
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    For detail see my posting not very far below.

    • Mark Underwood

      If, after the Blacklight reaction, one was left with heaps of oxidized nickel or titanium or aluminum ash, then for sure you would have a point. But this is not the case at all. Very little or no oxidized metal. I assume the same for Rossi’s reaction, that they are smart enough to rule out mere oxidation as the cause of heat generation.

      Regarding exploding water in your second link, now that is more interesting. If the explosion is resulting in more energy out than electrical energy in (big if), then by the law of conservation of energy there must be a low energy product somewhere. If it can’t be found, the most likely explanation would be … hydrino formation.

  • E-CAT suomi

    Have to say, BLP demo was dissapointing again. Those systems had high voltage and current capable units connected, yet he did not display any voltage and current data to avail. Just showed the explosien techniques again. I need to know how much current it draws and how high voltage it needs. Damn pointless demo.