Brian Ahern Interview with John Maguire about LENR

John Maguire of the Q-Niverse web site has followed up his recent interview with Edmund Storms with a new interview with Dr. Brian Ahern, a long-time researcher in the LENR field, and a member of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project team.

The interview covers a lot of interesting topics. Ahern describes some of the experimental work he has been involved in over the years and talks about some of his theoretical conclusions regarding the origin of the LENR effect, which he considers stem from an eletromagnetic interactions (not nuclear ones). His perspective is that heat is something of an unwanted by-product of the reactions, and the really important thing is to find ways to harness the electomagnetics to produce electricity.

I found the interview very interesting and well worth listening to. Ahern has been involved in many experiments over the years which have convinced him of the reality of LENR. Recently, also, Andrea Rossi has mentioned that a team at Industrial Heat has reproduced LENR based on patents from Ahern.

For those of us following the E-Cat, towards the end of the interview Ahern and Maguire talk about the report we are all waiting for. Ahern says that he, like everyone else is waiting for the results of that report and that his understanding is that study is being funded by the Swedish energy institute Elforsk (who funded the 2012-13 study) to the tune of 500,000 Euros, and that the condition of the funding was that the report must be published whatever the results — the researchers were not allowed just to sit on the results. Ahern says that if the results show a COP of 2 at kW levels, that would be a ‘goldrush moment.’

Click here for a synopsis of the full list of topics covered in the interview.

  • Owen Geiger

    I just posted the following comment in the Always Open Thread and then noticed this new blog post, so I’ll repost it here. Brian Ahern seems very credible.

    Brian talks about the Manelas device that’s producing overunity in an electric car: http://e-catsite.com/manelas-d

    Rossi said a while back that Brian Ahern was probably his closest competitor. This makes Brian’s comments very interesting indeed. He’s saying it’s (LENR) a nanomagnetic effect, not nuclear.

    • georgehants

      From JONP
      Curiosone
      July 25th, 2014 at 9:10 AM
      Dr Rossi:
      Are you still convinced that the “lattice” theory of Norman Cook is right?
      Thank you for your answer,
      W.G.
      ——-
      Andrea Rossi
      July 25th, 2014 at 3:52 PM
      Curiosone:
      The answer is yes. It is the foundamental of LENR.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

    • hempenearth

      I’d much rather have the “N” stand for nanomagnetic rather than nuclear – easier to sell to manager types with no scientific clue.

      • Owen Geiger

        Yes, that would make safety certification easier to obtain and help gain acceptance from nuclear physicists (except some die hards who will fight it no matter what).

        Rossi says the reaction doesn’t violate known physics and so nanomagnetism may very well play a role. I suspect multiple things are involved. It’s this complexity that makes LENR research so difficult.

        John Maguire doesn’t seem optimistic about Rossi’s grasp of the theory, but I give him more credit than that. There’s probably no one on earth with as much understanding of his approach.

        • Fortyniner

          Nanomagnetism would only provide a possible component mechanism for energy transfer, not an energy source, so that would leave the question of the origin of the ‘extra’ energy open. Ahern’s suggestion of ‘zero point energy’ may point in the right general direction, but as ZPE is at present a minute force originating with ‘virtual’ particles, quite a large jump has to be made to explain kW-level energy inputs from this suppositional source.

          If unknown magnetic phenomena are the causal mechanism, then it seems possible that other claimants to ZPE utilisation, such as the QEG machine, may get there first.

          I have always felt that Rossi’s assertion that the mechanism for LENR can be found withing conventional physics was intended to keep the physics establishment off his back while he prepared to stun their world. That time is quite close now I think – if some other ‘anomalous’ device doesn’t pip him to the post. I am greatly looking forward to the fireworks display either way.

          • Owen Geiger

            “… a possible component mechanism” = perfect description. You said it better than I did.

  • Owen Geiger

    I just posted the following comment in the Always Open Thread and then noticed this new blog post, so I’ll repost it here. Brian Ahern seems very credible.

    Brian talks about the Manelas device that’s producing overunity in an electric car: http://e-catsite.com/manelas-d

    Rossi said a while back that Brian Ahern was probably his closest competitor. This makes Brian’s comments very interesting indeed. He’s saying it’s (LENR) a nanomagnetic effect, not nuclear.

    • georgehants

      From JONP
      Curiosone
      July 25th, 2014 at 9:10 AM
      Dr Rossi:
      Are you still convinced that the “lattice” theory of Norman Cook is right?
      Thank you for your answer,
      W.G.
      ——-
      Andrea Rossi
      July 25th, 2014 at 3:52 PM
      Curiosone:
      The answer is yes. It is the foundamental of LENR.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

    • hempenearth

      I’d much rather have the N stand for nanomagnetic rather than nuclear – easier to sell to manager types with no scientific clue.

      • Owen Geiger

        Yes, that would make safety certification easier to obtain and help gain acceptance from nuclear physicists (except some die hards who will fight it no matter what).

        Rossi says the reaction doesn’t violate known physics and so nanomagnetism may very well play a role. I suspect multiple things are involved. It’s this complexity that makes LENR research so difficult.

        John Maguire doesn’t seem optimistic about Rossi’s grasp of the theory, but I give him more credit than that. There’s probably no one on earth with as much understanding of his approach.

        • Nanomagnetism would only provide a possible component mechanism for energy transfer, not an energy source, so that would leave the question of the origin of the ‘extra’ energy open. Ahern’s suggestion of ‘zero point energy’ may point in the right general direction, but as ZPE is at present a minute force originating with ‘virtual’ particles, quite a large jump has to be made to explain kW-level energy inputs from this suppositional source.

          If unknown magnetic phenomena somehow tapping an underlying energy source are the causal mechanism, then it seems possible that other claimants to ZPE utilisation, such as the Manelas device, may get there first.

          http://e-catsite.com/manelas-device/

          I have always felt that Rossi’s one-time assertion that the mechanism for LENR can be found within conventional physics was intended to help keep the physics establishment comatose while he prepared to blow the ground from under them. That time is quite close now I think – if some other ‘anomalous’ device doesn’t pip him to the post. I am greatly looking forward to the fireworks display either way.

          • Owen Geiger

            “… a possible component mechanism” = perfect description. You said it better than I did.

  • Owen Geiger

    “Brian Ahern received his PhD in material science from MIT, holds 26 patents and was a senior scientist for 17 years in research and development at USAF Rome Lab at Hanscom Air Force Base. Ahern was the U.S. Air Force’s expert on nano-materials. Ahern has discovered the LENR phenomenon is occurring on the nanoscale and involves a formerly misunderstood and rarely explored attribute of nano-magnetism.”
    http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Brian-Ahern/1720188616

    This is also being covered at Cold Fusion Now: Dr. Brian Ahern Connects Nanomagnetism and LENR
    http://coldfusionnow.org/dr-brian-ahern-connects-nanomagnetism-lenr/

  • Owen Geiger

    “Brian Ahern received his PhD in material science from MIT, holds 26 patents and was a senior scientist for 17 years in research and development at USAF Rome Lab at Hanscom Air Force Base. Ahern was the U.S. Air Force’s expert on nano-materials. Ahern has discovered the LENR phenomenon is occurring on the nanoscale and involves a formerly misunderstood and rarely explored attribute of nano-magnetism.”
    http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Brian-Ahern/1720188616

    This is also being covered at Cold Fusion Now: Dr. Brian Ahern Connects Nanomagnetism and LENR
    http://coldfusionnow.org/dr-brian-ahern-connects-nanomagnetism-lenr/

  • Omega Z

    Frank provides a link to the synopsis of which you can use to skip to what you want to listen to.
    I considered doing this. However I found it “All” interesting.

  • Gerard McEk

    Interesting that Ahern thinks it is (ferro-) magnetism and oscillations of (Ni) atoms that cause LENR. I do not believe that the energy comes from magnetism alone, unless magnetism and the hydrino’s of Mills have something in common. I guess that the relatively low frequency oscillations could indeed be induced via the non-linear magnetic field. Maybe this vast oscillation at nano scale brings atoms together sufficiently to overcome the coulomb barrier and cause fusion?
    Palladium is not ferromagnetic so I wonder how Ahern thinks this mechanism works.

    • Mr. Moho

      Contaminants can make Palladium show weak ferromagnetism. Could this be why only certain samples seemed to work in early cold fusion experiments?

      • Gerard McEk

        Never heard of that. Maybe the contaminants must be iron or nickel?

    • Jouni

      If magnetic phenomenon are the key, what is the key in creating strong magnetic fields? I have no idea.
      High frequencies?, special wound wiring?, strange waveform?
      In Rossi’s former blue box there were three or four boards, doing waves.

  • Gerard McEk

    Interesting that Ahern thinks it is (ferro-) magnetism and oscillations of (Ni) atoms that cause LENR. I do not believe that the energy comes from magnetism alone, unless magnetism and the hydrino’s of Mills have something in common. I guess that the relatively low frequency oscillations could indeed be induced via the non-linear magnetic field. Maybe this vast oscillation at nano scale brings atoms together sufficiently to overcome the coulomb barrier and cause fusion?
    Palladium is not ferromagnetic so I wonder how Ahern thinks this mechanism works.

  • tobalt

    collective magnetic exchange as in nickel at room temperature is not very temperature stable. as substances heat to regimes useful for the observed processes none of them show collective exchange anymore. they become paramagnets which is a large group of many materials. if something relating to electron spin is reponsible, it is for the fusion it is for sure not ferromagnetism.

    • Foks0904 .

      tobalt — I don’t disagree with you, but I posed a very similar question to Brian, and he said he’s confident that the super-ferromagnetic collective state, if the reaction doesn’t run away, can be sustained for very high temperatures. Maybe you’re right about the stamina of Nickel, but I don’t have the technical expertise to argue one way or another.

  • tobalt

    collective magnetic exchange as in nickel at room temperature is not very temperature stable. as substances heat to regimes useful for the observed processes none of them show collective exchange anymore. they become paramagnets which is a large group of many materials. if something relating to electron spin is reponsible, it is for the fusion it is for sure not ferromagnetism.

    • Foks0904 .

      tobalt — I don’t disagree with you, but I posed a very similar question to Brian, and he said he’s confident that the super-ferromagnetic collective state, if the reaction doesn’t run away, can be sustained for very high temperatures. Maybe you’re right about the stamina of Nickel, but I don’t have the technical expertise to argue one way or another.

  • Hope4DBest

    By now, the only explanation I haven’t heard about LENR is one combining Wicca with the reverse Krebs cycle.

    • Foks0904 .

      HA! That’s not a bad point. But I think overall the theories actually do fall into about four general categories, and there are about 6-12 which you could point to as “contenders”, but ultimately I think a compromise will be found between all of them. All have a piece of the puzzle I think.

      • US_Citizen71

        Ahh yes, the classic blind men and an elephant analogy I think is likely a good one to apply to the state of LENR research today.

        • Foks0904 .

          Yeah exactly.

    • Mr. Moho

      Except… there are indeed reports of magnetic fields affecting in unusual ways the thermal output of LENR devices. Do you remember Mitchel Swartz’s presentation/latest information about his NANOR devices? It might not be far fetched that nanomagnetism or related processes are involved with these reactions.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkPxOhjNlgM&feature=player_detailpage#t=8998

      • MasterBlaster7

        Yah…there is, likely, something going on with LENR and nanomagnetism. But, to speculate on it at this point is about as useful as speculating on dark matter and dark energy. LENR and nanomagnetism needs a lot more fleshing out.

    • Andy Kumar

      LOL. We already have the ultimate TOE (Theory Of Everything). It goes like this: God said, let there be light and there was light. Judging by the number of followers, it is a successful theory.

      • MasterBlaster7

        You know…I dont trust any religious philosophies coming out of the mid/middle east…and neither should you.

  • Hope4Dbest

    By now, the only explanation I haven’t heard about LENR is one combining Wicca with the reverse Krebs cycle.

    • Foks0904 .

      HA! That’s not a bad point. But I think overall the theories actually do fall into about four general categories, and there are about 6-12 which you could point to as “contenders”, but ultimately I think a compromise will be found between all of them. All have a piece of the puzzle I think.

      • US_Citizen71

        Ahh yes, the classic blind men and an elephant analogy I think is likely a good one to apply to the state of LENR research today.

        • Foks0904 .

          Yeah exactly.

    • Andy Kumar

      LOL. We already have the ultimate TOE (Theory Of Everything). It goes like this: God said, let there be light and there was light. Judging by the number of followers, it is a successful theory.

      • MasterBlaster7

        You know…I dont trust any religious philosophies coming out of the mid/middle east…and neither should you.

    • Broncobet

      So now we have.

  • Stephen Haigh

    It was an impressive interview until he got onto his theory that its extracting vacuum energy, which I consider in my opinion not a strong contender but I could be wrong 🙂

    • MasterBlaster7

      I think what you should take from this is….funny electromagnetic things happen with granules in the 5-10 nm region. This may be related to the funny things that happen with LENR in the 5-10 nm region. Thats it. Lets wait for a successful commercial device that forces money, brain, and equipment resources into LENR….then lets revisit these two areas in 5 years.

  • Stephen Haigh

    It was an impressive interview until he got onto his theory that its extracting vacuum energy, which I consider in my opinion not a strong contender but I could be wrong 🙂

    • MasterBlaster7

      I think what you should take from this is….funny electromagnetic things happen with granules in the 5-10 nm region. This may be related to the funny things that happen with LENR in the 5-10 nm region. Thats it. Lets wait for a successful commercial device that forces money, brain, and equipment resources into LENR….then lets revisit these two areas in 5 years.

    • Broncobet

      I don’t think so.

  • Robert Ellefson

    I would love to listen to this interview, except that it would likely be a bitter waste of my time. I am hard of hearing, which means I miss many distinguishing characteristics of spoken language, such as ‘hard’ consonants, etc. This has lead me to essentially stop going to movies, since they are lacking captions, and to rarely bother with video that is lacking captions. I have attempted to listen to a few of these sorts of interviews, about a topic I care passionately about (LENR), but not only are there no captions, there are no talking heads whose lips I can attempt to read. In addition, the audio quality is remarkably poor – it sounds as though it were captured with a Radio-Shack style suction-cup microphone attached to the telephone handset, or perhaps a webcam microphone capturing room audio from a poor-quality speakerphone. In any case, I personally am unable to listen to these recordings, and I suspect there are quite a number of other potential audience members who are either hard of hearing or else who speak English as a non-native language, and also have great difficulty because of the audio quality. The synopsis is helpful, but I would be truly, extremely grateful to have a full transcript of these interviews. I realize this is a difficult task, particularly for an unpaid, individual citizen volunteer, but if some means could be found to accomplish transcripts of these interviews, I am confident that their reach and impact will improve tremendously. Also, the time investment of 40-60 minutes is tough to swallow, particularly if I don’t know if there are any new bits that I care about, or if it is rehash of information I’ve heard before. Having a written transcript allows me to quickly evaluate an interview, and take time on the portions I am most interested in reading.

    John, please take this as constructive criticism – I greatly appreciate the efforts you are making by conducting and posting these interviews, and I very much encourage you to continue. I just hope you can find a way to make these transcripts happen. Normally I would volunteer to help after making a request like this, but here we have a blocking sort of problem with my qualifications for the task…

    • harryv2

      yes +1

    • Ophelia Rump
    • david

      I have a similar problem. I have severe tinnitus, ringing in the ears which makes me use ear plugs and ear muffs to drown out excess noise. Anyway I really don’t like to listen to excess sound unless I have to. I often avoid conversations so the the tinnitus doesn’t get doesn’t get worse. It’s been really bad in the past I will often have to use closed captioning. Many say “I have tinnitus, and I’m fine” Not knowing that tinntis can make people people go crazy to the point of suicide. And yes mine is severe enough to make me avoid watching videos I really enjoy. Your not alone Robert, I’ve missed many lenr videos too.

      • Broncobet

        I have some ringing to,it just started I’m 62 so it just gets worse?

    • Foks0904 .

      Robert — as you seem to appreciate, transcripts take a long time. If someone would like to buy me some kick-ass transcription software I’d happily oblige, but It’s too much time to spend in front of the PC. I know you think they sound sort of shitty, but it takes a lot of time to clean the audio up generally, including cutting out and rearranging parts based on interruptions, etc. It’s a drawn out process, and the transcribing process is exhausting. I’m actually doing some transcription as a side-job, and that makes me even less wanting to do it in my spare time. Again if anyone wants to take it upon themselves to help out, if they think this info is important, they can message or email me.

      Otherwise we have to deal with John’s amateur hour and short outlines when I can muster the enthusiasm.

      I know you mean no disrespect, and neither do I. Warm Regards.

      • Omega Z

        Just below, Ophelia Rump provides some links to free transcription service. Have you checked them out.
        Of course Ahern my be hard to capture with the audio being a little rough.

  • harryv2

    yes +1

  • Ophelia Rump

    Robert, I found this article about using google voice as a free transcription service. I hope that It might help.

    http://aconnecticutlawblog.com/2010/03/using-google-voice-as-a-free-transcription-service/

  • WOW! WOW! WOW!

    These ideas give a possible explanation as to how the Solar Hydrogen Trends reactor breaks water into hydrogen gas with such efficiency, and why Defkalion and Rossi reactors produce spooky unexplained electromagnetic fields.

    If Mills could speak with such honesty and humility I might believe him.

  • Jouni Tuomela

    If magnetic phenomenon are the key, what is the key in creating strong magnetic fields? I have no idea.
    High frequencies?, special wound wiring?, strange waveform?
    In Rossi’s former blue box there were three or four boards, doing waves.

  • pelgrim108

    Herb Gillis
    July 26th, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Dr. Rossi:

    Brian Ahern has expressed the opinion that LENR is not a nuclear
    phenomenon but instead an electromagnetic one. If that is true it raises
    the question of what the ultimate source of the observed excess energy
    might be. It clearly cannot be chemical, if your observations and the
    “third party test” results are accurate. Ahern said in a recent
    interview that the source may be some kind of vacuum energy (or the
    so-called “zero-point” energy of the vacuum). Do you think he might be
    right? If so; are there any limits to how much usable energy could be
    extracted from such a strange source?

    Kind regards; HRG.

    ——————————-
    Andrea Rossi
    July 26th, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    Herb Gills:

    Brian Ahern is one of the few scientists in the LENR field that I think
    is making something that can have success. Said this, I must add that:

    1- I cannot discuss issues that would force me to disclose information that is still confidential.

    2- in principle, I respect the opinion of Dr Ahern, but I disagree, on
    the base of experiments we made with the E-Cats and the Hot Cats

    3- I wish good luck to this competitor of ours

    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Stephen Haigh

      Im happy with AR’s response. I think the quickest way for us to get our home units is for this process to be nailed down and understood without recourse to fanciful explanations like ZPE , Hydrinos or unlikely fission of Oxygen 🙂
      My hope and expectation is that this will be understood with maybe tweaks to the standard model/qed or better understanding of condensed matter physics and collecting effects.

      • Christopher Calder

        There may be different phenomena occurring that we call LENR, or at least different flavors of the same general phenomena. The Solar Hydrogen Trends device produces very little heat, but lots of electromagnetism. Perhaps their ingredients act as a *natural enzyme* and crack water into H2 gas through what is mainly a magnetic process. With multiple positive tests, and the fact that fitting a hidden bottle of hydrogen in their reactor large enough to fake the outcome would be difficult, their claims should not be totally ignored. Their claims should also not be accepted yet as 100% proven fact, but we may be close to definitive proof. Remember Defkalion experienced such strong magnetic fields from their reactor that they had to shield their reactors in Faraday cages. Defkalion was not trying to create powerful electromagnetic forces but found them by accident in their quest to produce excess heat. The Widom Larsen Theory of cold fusion also includes strange electromagnetic forces occurring at the nano scale. It’s spooky.

        • Stephen Haigh

          I kinda hope that there isnt an * enzyme* that can neutralise the strong nuclear force in a water molecule or were sort of in the sciece fiction super weapon domain 🙂

  • pelgrim108

    Herb Gillis
    July 26th, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Dr. Rossi:

    Brian Ahern has expressed the opinion that LENR is not a nuclear
    phenomenon but instead an electromagnetic one. If that is true it raises
    the question of what the ultimate source of the observed excess energy
    might be. It clearly cannot be chemical, if your observations and the
    “third party test” results are accurate. Ahern said in a recent
    interview that the source may be some kind of vacuum energy (or the
    so-called “zero-point” energy of the vacuum). Do you think he might be
    right? If so; are there any limits to how much usable energy could be
    extracted from such a strange source?

    Kind regards; HRG.

    ——————————-
    Andrea Rossi
    July 26th, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    Herb Gills:

    Brian Ahern is one of the few scientists in the LENR field that I think
    is making something that can have success. Said this, I must add that:

    1- I cannot discuss issues that would force me to disclose information that is still confidential.

    2- in principle, I respect the opinion of Dr Ahern, but I disagree, on
    the base of experiments we made with the E-Cats and the Hot Cats

    3- I wish good luck to this competitor of ours

    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Stephen Haigh

      Im happy with AR’s response. I think the quickest way for us to get our home units is for this process to be nailed down and understood without recourse to fanciful explanations like ZPE , Hydrinos or unlikely fission of Oxygen 🙂
      My hope and expectation is that this will be understood with maybe tweaks to the standard model/qed or better understanding of condensed matter physics and collective effects.

      • There may be different phenomena occurring that we call LENR, or at least different flavors of the same general phenomena. The Solar Hydrogen Trends device produces very little heat, but lots of electromagnetism. Perhaps their ingredients act as a *natural enzyme* and crack water into H2 gas through what is mainly a magnetic process. With multiple positive tests, and the fact that fitting a hidden bottle of hydrogen in their reactor large enough to fake the outcome would be difficult, their claims should not be totally ignored. Their claims should also not be accepted yet as 100% proven fact, but we may be close to definitive proof. Remember Defkalion experienced such strong magnetic fields from their reactor that they had to shield their reactors in Faraday cages. Defkalion was not trying to create powerful electromagnetic forces but found them by accident in their quest to produce excess heat. The Widom Larsen Theory of cold fusion also includes strange electromagnetic forces occurring at the nano scale. It’s spooky.

        • Stephen Haigh

          I kinda hope that there isnt an * enzyme* that can neutralise the strong nuclear force in a water molecule or were sort of in the sciece fiction super weapon domain 🙂

  • GreenWin

    “I couldn’t get anybody else to do the experiment because they were afraid of being tarred with the brush of cold fusion.”

    One of the most interesting comments from Ahern is about terror in the science community regarding anything to do with cold fusion. Since when is fear of political association part of science?? In Brian’s words:

    “In 2005 Mizuno took deuterium gas, put it in a tube, he put the tube in a very strong magnetic field and he got bursts of neutrons. I thought that was interesting, I’m going to repeat that. I went to the magnet lab at MIT and got the help of Henry Cohn. I repeated Mizuno’s work and I got excess neutrons.

    But I couldn’t get anybody else to agree to do the experiment because they were afraid of being tarred with the brush of cold fusion. I said, “This is not cold fusion! This is just deuterium being disturbed by a magnetic field and it’s a wonderful thing.” I had a professor at Boston College who had the magnet… I would pay him handsomely to do it, and he refused. He did not want to get tarred with the brush of cold fusion. I got those results but never published them.” Ahern interview @ 35:50

    This will be helpful when the Congressional Hearings on LENR get underway.

    • Christopher Calder

      Think how many scientists are scared to speak out against the Climate Change religion. The USA has become a nation of mainly parrots and cowards. This Fall I hope for and expect a big change in the national psyche due to surprising election results and LENR test results.

      Many debate which LENR device really works. I currently believe the odds are that the Rossi device, the Defkalion device, and the Solar Hydrogen Trends device all work. If that turns out to be true (fingers crossed), the world is in for a major shock that will redefine human civilization from top to bottom.

      • GreenWin

        I’m with you Christopher. The infiltration of institutions by “scientists” – especially from climate mecca Boulder, CO – is pathetic. I would add Mills gadget to the LENR lineup. He’s demonstrating a COP of 17 with his SunCell rig and he has 20 years experience, many good papers and patents to back up his claims. Of course seeing a working prototype is critical for BLP.

        Fortyniner, AlainCo, and others believe we’ll see whopper spins from mainstream claiming credit and prior knowledge of LENR. One pathoskep A Kumar defends the LENR intimidation campaign. Like defending the Russian mob. Kumar’ll make a fine witness at the Congressional Hearings. 🙂

        • Fortyniner

          That’s right, but I would add the proviso that it is likely that this will only be the case when whatever is going on behind the curtains right now has been resolved to some extent.

          By now it must be obvious to a good proportion of high level energy cartel people that fundamental changes are coming, and could be upon them quite soon. I’d be very surprised if there is not a disorganised scramble currently going on to identify what groups are near to commercialisation and to either gain control, delay their progress or stop them altogether.

          At some point the various factions within the cartels will inevitably have their horses lined up for the running, and be in the process of dumping their liabilities, and it is likely that shortly after that point, politicians, academia and the media will suddenly discover that they’ve all been expecting and supporting the new energy sources for – well – as long as they can remember.

          Of course it will be much easier to perform the volte-face if LENR/CF is rebranded to make the new technologies look like the ‘son of hot fusion’, so that the enormous waste of public money on magnetic containment can be pasted over with apparent success.

          All this is why IH’s slow, methodical and highly secretive development path makes me very nervous. It’s the right way to do the job, but it is also allowing the time that entrenched interests need to quietly take over cold fusion when they are ready to do so.

    • Andy Kumar

      “I couldn’t get anybody else to do the experiment because they were afraid of being
      tarred with the brush of cold fusion”

      Green,
      LENR community has this *martyr complex* that they are being persecuted. They have been brought up thinking that “the meek shall inherit the earth”. If there is *any truth* to what they say, the onus is on LENR people to fight for their ideas and get them accepted. Darwin did it, Copernicus did it. Their problem with LENR is small potatoes compared to Darwin. Some of these LENR whiners are sitting in modern (NOT ancient) seats-of-higher-learning with tenures. Makes you wonder why they cannot get a hearing for their ideas.

      Look at Copernicus’ *diplomatic* ways as he seeks Pope’s protection:

      Perhaps there will be *babblers* who claim to be judges of astronomy although *completely ignorant of the subject* and, badly distorting some passages of Scripture to their purpose, will dare to find fault with my undertaking and censure it. I disregard them even to the extent of despising their criticism as unfounded.
      http://www.historyguide.org/earlymod/dedication.html

      Contrast with Galileo’s *in-your-face* ways as he ridicules the *Pope as Simplicio*

      When Galileo met with the new pope, Urban VIII, in 1623, he received permission from his longtime friend to write a work on heliocentrism, but the new pontiff cautioned him not to advocate the new position, only to present arguments for and against it. When Galileo wrote the Dialogue on the Two World Systems, he used an argument the pope had offered, and placed it in the mouth of his character Simplicio. Galileo, perhaps inadvertently, made fun of the pope, a result that could only have disastrous consequences.
      http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-galileo-controversy

      • GreenWin

        Andy,

        Copernican diplomacy did little since a century later the Pope & minions arrested Galieo for saying the same thing. Defending the failure of science to reckon with LENR only makes the buffoonery look pathetic. It is Simplicio’s pursuit.

      • I support the Kuhn position.
        the conservatism of science is required to push the limits of current paradigm to the maximum.
        all what happened is indeed classic, but a a unusual level.

        the problem in current science is that it is too much centralized in USA Ivy league, which control high impact journal, medi, politics, advising panel, common criteria for funding, fashion…
        all Western science depend on Ivy league opinion.

        The hope came from Asia which for cultural and linguistic reason is less connected.

    • Foks0904 .

      Yes this was definitely an interesting anecdote that provided as much food for thought as his speculations on the over-unity battery system.

  • GreenWin

    “I couldn’t get anybody else to do the experiment because they were afraid of being tarred with the brush of cold fusion.”

    One of the most interesting comments from Ahern is about terror in the science community regarding anything to do with cold fusion. Since when is fear of political association part of science?? In Brian’s words:

    “In 2005 Mizuno took deuterium gas, put it in a tube, he put the tube in a very strong magnetic field and he got bursts of neutrons. I thought that was interesting, I’m going to repeat that. I went to the magnet lab at MIT and got the help of Henry Cohn. I repeated Mizuno’s work and I got excess neutrons.

    But I couldn’t get anybody else to agree to do the experiment because they were afraid of being tarred with the brush of cold fusion. I said, “This is not cold fusion! This is just deuterium being disturbed by a magnetic field and it’s a wonderful thing.” I had a professor at Boston College who had the magnet… I would pay him handsomely to do it, and he refused. He did not want to get tarred with the brush of cold fusion. I got those results but never published them.” Ahern interview @ 35:50

    This will be helpful when the Congressional Hearings on LENR get underway.

    • Think how many scientists are scared to speak out against the Climate Change religion. The USA has become a nation of mainly parrots and cowards. This Fall I hope for and expect a big change in the national psyche due to surprising election results and LENR test results.

      Many debate which LENR device really works. I currently believe the odds are that the Rossi device, the Defkalion device, and the Solar Hydrogen Trends device all work. If that turns out to be true (fingers crossed), the world is in for a major shock that will redefine human civilization from top to bottom.

      • GreenWin

        I’m with you Christopher. The infiltration of institutions by “scientists” – especially from climate mecca Boulder, CO – is pathetic. I would add Mills gadget to the LENR lineup. He’s demonstrating a COP of 17 with his SunCell rig and he has 20 years experience, many good papers and patents to back up his claims. Of course seeing a working prototype is critical for BLP.

        Fortyniner, AlainCo, and others believe we’ll see whopper spins from mainstream claiming credit and prior knowledge of LENR.

        • Broncobet

          Global warming was predicted in1970 and it says the interior of large land masses will have droughts. I live in Las Vegas, the engineers who built Hoover dam weren’t stupid, they measured how much it had rained for tens of thousands of years. Well now we got no water because in the 20 years I’ve lived here we’ve gotten normal rainfall once, it’s a multi thousand year drought, just like they predicted, coincidence ?? We should build the Keystone and drill off both coasts and Alaska and we’d have fewer emissions with zero costs by building nuclear plants. The Germans and Japanese are the real idiots, we haven’t sunk that low yet. The left wing enviromentalists are the worst thing on the planet for the planet because they are religiously opposed to nuclear power, they’d rather burn filthy coal.

          • GreenWin

            Bronco, yougo a fixation on fission being the only solution to energy/climate. But as we are seeing from the growing band of LENR heretics, the advent of a clean, green, abundant source of non-radiative energy has a giant advantage; aside from fractional cost, abundant natural consumables (e.g. H2O, Ni), tiny footprint, portability, — there is NO radioactive waste!

            Day in and out we are seeing the massive failure of the US nuclear program – not because it has contributed just 20% to the grid – because they’ve failed to clean up their waste. And it is very dangerous waste. At the root of your argument is your belief that somehow without nuke power plants, we lose our defense-related tritium. Poppycock.

            BTW, what makes anyone think certain PTB will allow the use of nuke weapons on Earth??

          • Broncobet

            So instead of reasonable discourse you result to personal insults ie “yougo” which everyone knows is the deadliest insult available on this site. If I replied in kind Frank would not post it, I would have thought that he would have screened your response but fair and open back and forth discussion is the casualty. Perhaps, it was an oversight. I would have refuted your post but will wait.

          • Broncobet

            Greenwin you attack me personally because I like a form of energy you don’t approve of? There’s a lot of evil in the world from that kind of groupthink where whole populations have been slaughtered because their religion or race was different, going to war because they can’t agree on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Then you slander me with the”yougo” I’m excited to hear the TIP and hear it has a COP over one.To finally have a plant in a factory. There are no advantages to LENR yet because it hasn’t produced anything yet,so it’s not clean,not green ,not cheap,not reliable,not safe, not real. As far as nuclear all the waste ever produced by the US,a large nation , would easily fit on a football field. You want nuclear danger? I live in Las Vegas, a while back they would set off atomic weapons whenever they felt like it ,in the open air, then marched thousands of soldiers almost beneath the cloud to see how they would react. That is a lot of radioactivity so many had health problems,there have been almost no problems with nuclear power in the US. To tell you the truth ,the nuclear waste bothers me too,just because we all want things neat and tidy.The problem is we don’t know if it is waste or is it used fuel,beacause we could burn it in nuclear plants.It’s not going anywhere so we have time to decide me I want it burnt again you can use it till all of it will fit beneath a table. The Chinese are producing every single type of nuclear plant,thet are working with us to build an FHR after that the holy grail, the LFTR,but they will have the market because were moving to slow. Since LENR is not producing energy we have to use coal which is radioactive,the earth is radioactive, every time you dig into the earth more comes out,it’s ubiquitous, the oceans are full of urainium .

          • Broncobet

            I said nothing about tritium, waste isn’t dangerous, nuclear materials are in hospitals and food processors . I said we lose money without nuclear then we have less money we can buy less weapons and you have less freedom, something you know nothing about. Why would you want to use nuclear weapons?? Only a demented person would advocate that if we’re not attacked first. The PTB means the little green men,there’s some secret force that makes all the decisions?

        • Broncobet

          Boulder is where coolscience is doing privately funded LENR work that is not a scam something rare in this field.

          • GreenWin

            Gosh Bronco, will you provide us with your evidence of LENR “scams?” Are you referring to the chicanery at CalTech, DoE and MIT re Pons & Fleischmann?

          • Broncobet

            I’m not up to speed on all of them,but SHT give the appearance of fraud with their production of H at such levels that it would seem to come from O. So MIT is bad but no all of a sudden it’s good when they agree.

        • That’s right, but I would add the proviso that I think it’s likely that this will only be the case when whatever is going on behind the curtains right now has been resolved to some extent.

          Iit must be obvious to a good proportion of high level energy cartel people that fundamental changes are coming, and could be upon them quite soon. I’d be very surprised if there is not a disorganised scramble currently going on to identify which groups are near to commercialisation and to either gain control, or delay their progress (or stop them altogether) if that proves impossible.

          At some point the various factions within the cartels will inevitably have their horses lined up for the running, and be in the process of dumping their liabilities, and it is likely that shortly after that point, politicians, academia and the media will suddenly discover that they’ve all been expecting and supporting the new energy sources all the time.

          Of course it will be much easier to perform the volte-face if LENR/CF is rebranded to make the new technologies look like ‘son of hot fusion’, so that the enormous waste of public money on magnetic containment can be pasted over with apparent triumph.

          This is why IH’s slow, methodical and highly secretive development path makes me very nervous. It’s the right way to do the job, but it is also allowing the time that entrenched interests need to quietly make arrangements designed to contain and control cold fusion when it makes its debut.

      • Broncobet

        I am with you on the opposition to the current administration and want the senate to change hands but you’re wrong about the warming (currently the government pays for every “green” idea and leaves out by far the best,advanced nuclear. Don’t worry the Chinese have the foresight and we and the rest of the world will buy the reactors we invented from them). There is zero chance that SHT will work,it’s a drunk Russians joke SHT, I have faith in Rossi that he will entertain us and give us hope beyond that he probably will make a devise that works but has some drawbacks like it’s too expensive, dangerous, unreliable, produces only a smidgen of power or something I can’t imagine. I am curious about that test, because I could be wrong(lets hope).

    • Andy Kumar

      “I couldn’t get anybody else to do the experiment because they were afraid of being
      tarred with the brush of cold fusion”

      Green,
      LENR community has this *martyr complex* that they are being persecuted. They have been brought up thinking that “the meek shall inherit the earth”. If there is *any truth* to what they say, the onus is on LENR people to fight for their ideas and get them accepted. Darwin did it, Copernicus did it. Their problem with LENR is small potatoes compared to Darwin. Some of these LENR whiners are sitting in modern (NOT ancient) seats-of-higher-learning with tenures. Makes you wonder why they cannot get a hearing for their ideas.

      Look at Copernicus’ *diplomatic* ways as he seeks Pope’s protection:

      Perhaps there will be *babblers* who claim to be judges of astronomy although *completely ignorant of the subject* and, badly distorting some passages of Scripture to their purpose, will dare to find fault with my undertaking and censure it. I disregard them even to the extent of despising their criticism as unfounded.
      http://www.historyguide.org/earlymod/dedication.html

      Contrast with Galileo’s *in-your-face* ways as he ridicules the *Pope as Simplicio*

      When Galileo met with the new pope, Urban VIII, in 1623, he received permission from his longtime friend to write a work on heliocentrism, but the new pontiff cautioned him not to advocate the new position, only to present arguments for and against it. When Galileo wrote the Dialogue on the Two World Systems, he used an argument the pope had offered, and placed it in the mouth of his character Simplicio. Galileo, perhaps inadvertently, made fun of the pope, a result that could only have disastrous consequences.
      http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-galileo-controversy

      • GreenWin

        Andy,

        Copernican diplomacy did little since a century later the Pope & minions arrested Galieo for saying the same thing. Defending the failure of science to reckon with LENR only makes the buffoonery look pathetic. It is Simplicio’s pursuit.

        • Andy Kumar

          Green,
          As I have said several times, *rhetoric only gets in the way of clearer understanding of things*.*Throwing labels* like believer and pathoskep
          does not solve any problems. May be it is time for another poll to find what LENR followers sentiment is. Will they still believe LENR is being victimized and intimidated if a year from now we are waiting for FIP (Fourth Independent Party) report or three years from now for SIP (Sixth) without any proto or product in sight.

          If LENR is proven real, I would be more than happy to do my mea culpa. *Labels don’t mean a thing*. I pride myself in being the original skeptic. I turned atheist at 11. I believed in Rossi for a short while (because of Focardi) UNTIL his 1MW demo. I still pretended to be a believer for another two years because the skeptic’s arrogance annoyed me. I am sorry, the behavior of LENR players, particularly Rossi, does not inspire much confidence in sensible people.

          I am a believer turned skeptic. Can you show me a skeptic turned believer in these last three years?

          For good definition of martyr complex check this.
          http://www.yourlifecheckup.com/article.php?artid=65

          • GreenWin

            “If LENR is proven real, I would be more than happy to do my mea culpa.”

            It IS proven to all but those who practice this ritual behavior:
            http://bit.ly/1nPeGuB

          • Broncobet

            Very well said Andy, we are dealing with a bunch of religious fanatics exhibiting martyrdom. How anybody can give SHT a fair hearing is mentally deranged, I do admit I still have hopes for Rossi, yes he’s misled us before,he’s never delivered what he said he would,but the story isn’t over yet he could still come up with some contraption that causes scientists and engineers to go “huh”. I would settle for that, give us a little hope AR.

          • GreenWin

            Bronco, “How anybody can give SHT a fair hearing is mentally deranged…?” Paging Dr. Freud! “A fair hearing” is at the very center of good science, politics, justice, and all ideas new & challenging. Your tacit admission to this failure speaks volumes.

          • yes proven without doubt, with more cross checking than a thousands things people are sure and a dozen more that mainstream sciene try to make people sure of.

            I just finished the previous book of Ed Storms “The Science of LENR” which makes a great summary of the various evidence.

            http://www.amazon.com/Science-Energy-Nuclear-Reaction-Comprehensive/dp/9812706208

            he is good, both to spot potential problems and pitfall, but also to show that the various results converge to a coherent, but complex, single reality.

            I just stated his recent book on theory

            http://lenrexplained.com/

            the initial chapters focussed on experimental results looks similar in shorter, and show the scope of the phenomenon.

            now about SHT it is NOT a known LENR.
            it seems , from the shor description we have to violate basic laws of physics, because oxygen cannot spontaneously fission in hydrogens…

            anyway maybe we have a bad description of the transmutation equation.
            Ed storms explain that there is 3 observed reaction in LENR :
            – LENR fusion where light elements fuse into a bigger (eg D+D->He4)
            – simple transmutation where a lighter element (p,n,d) merge with a heavier… like Cs+4d ->Pr
            – fusion-fission transmutation where a light element merge with a heavy element that fission in two lighter parts.

            what SHT claims looks like en endothermic fussion-fission, or a spallation, of incredible efficiency…

            if it was not endothermic I would stay neutral…
            either they are bunk, and since there is no researchers having claimed the same result it is quite possible, or they are wrong with the description (or us to understand it).

            now discussion on theory or laws is worthless, makes a test, and if the theory don’t agree, we have to change the theory.

          • It is precisely because phenomena that have been labelled LENR are demonstrable and largely repeatable that they provoke such a fear reaction in so many ‘establishment’ physicists.

      • I support the Kuhn position.
        the conservatism of science is required to push the limits of current paradigm to the maximum.
        all what happened is indeed classic, but a a unusual level.

        the problem in current science is that it is too much centralized in USA Ivy league, which control high impact journal, medi, politics, advising panel, common criteria for funding, fashion…
        all Western science depend on Ivy league opinion.

        The hope came from Asia which for cultural and linguistic reason is less connected.

        • Broncobet

          Exactly China where the VAST majority of talent and cash is poured into advanced nuclear power, I have to say ,they are the new heroes. They have built at least one of EVERY type of nuclear plant and are working hard with us to make a FHR which is the forerunner to the holy grail of energy the LFTR. Do you own investigating, Google it. You lose the power plants you lose the money you lose the money you lose your weapons you lose your weapons you lose your freedom, you’ve ben warned.

    • Foks0904 .

      Yes this was definitely an interesting anecdote that provided as much food for thought as his speculations on the over-unity battery system.

  • Bernie777

    Another great interview from John Maguire, please keep them coming. Question for John: You have interviewed many of the important players of LENR, who impressed you the most and why? Thanks.

    • Foks0904 .

      Bernie — I think you know you ask an impossible question. I have tons of appreciation for everybody; all of them bring something important to the table and have influenced my thinking in important ways — and many other people I’ve corresponded with, who I haven’t interviewed, have all been extremely impressive as well. I think, in this instance, I will give highest marks to Mike McKubre & Ed Storms for pretty much being there from day one and enduring the barrage of slings & arrows over the years. I think their experimental work will go down as some of the most important in the field. Mike’s heat/helium in PdD work is incredibly important. Ed’s co-discovery of tritium clearly demonstrated some kind of “nuclear” reaction at play in PdD systems, and his theory, whatever its level of correctness, will ultimately serve to help focus research and also eliminate false-leads.

      • Bernie777

        After sending my question, I realized it was an impossible question for you to answer, sorry. But you did a good job with it anyhow. There are hot spots around the world doing LENR research, do you have a feeling for which governments are the most involved in the research? Thanks.

        • Foks0904 .

          Bernie — Follow this link and you will find a listing of the countries who are most involved with LENR; though this particular report is from 2009. Since then I think China probably has the biggest interest, especially considering that there is some evidence they are developing their “new energy park” and having meetings with Industrial Heat.

        • Foks0904 .
  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Another great interview from John Maguire, please keep them coming. Question for John: You have interviewed many of the important players of LENR, who impressed you the most and why? Thanks.

    • Foks0904 .

      Bernie — You ask a borderline impossible-to-answer question. I have tons of appreciation for everybody; all of them bring something important to the table and have influenced my thinking in important ways — and many other people I’ve corresponded with, who I haven’t interviewed, have all been extremely impressive as well. I think, in this instance, I will give highest marks to Mike McKubre & Ed Storms for pretty much being there from day one and enduring the barrage of slings & arrows over the years. I think their experimental work will go down as some of the most important in the field. Mike’s heat/helium in PdD work, and his numerous replications of other’s findings (Arata, etc.), is incredibly important. Ed’s co-discovery of tritium clearly demonstrated some kind of “nuclear” reaction at play in PdD systems, and his theory, whatever its level of correctness, will ultimately serve to help focus research and also eliminate false-leads.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        After sending my question, I realized it was an impossible question for you to answer, sorry. But you did a good job with it anyhow. There are hot spots around the world doing LENR research, do you have a feeling for which governments are the most involved in the research? Thanks.

        • Foks0904 .

          Bernie — Follow this link and you will find a listing of the countries who are most involved with LENR; though this particular report is from 2009. Since then I think China probably has the biggest interest, especially considering that there is some evidence they are developing their “new energy park” and having meetings with Industrial Heat.

        • Foks0904 .
  • GreenWin

    “If LENR is proven real, I would be more than happy to do my mea culpa.”

    It IS proven to all but those who practice this ritual behavior:
    http://bit.ly/1nPeGuB

    • yes proven without doubt, with more cross checking than a thousands things people are sure and a dozen more that mainstream sciene try to make people sure of.

      I just finished the previous book of Ed Storms “The Science of LENR” which makes a great summary of the various evidence.

      http://www.amazon.com/Science-Energy-Nuclear-Reaction-Comprehensive/dp/9812706208

      he is good, both to spot potential problems and pitfall, but also to show that the various results converge to a coherent, but complex, single reality.

      I just stated his recent book on theory

      http://lenrexplained.com/

      the initial chapters focussed on experimental results looks similar in shorter, and show the scope of the phenomenon.

      now about SHT it is NOT a known LENR.
      it seems , from the shor description we have to violate basic laws of physics, because oxygen cannot spontaneously fission in hydrogens…

      anyway maybe we have a bad description of the transmutation equation.
      Ed storms explain that there is 3 observed reaction in LENR :
      – LENR fusion where light elements fuse into a bigger (eg D+D->He4)
      – simple transmutation where a lighter element (p,n,d) merge with a heavier… like Cs+4d ->Pr
      – fusion-fission transmutation where a light element merge with a heavy element that fission in two lighter parts.

      what SHT claims looks like en endothermic fussion-fission, or a spallation, of incredible efficiency…

      if it was not endothermic I would stay neutral…
      either they are bunk, and since there is no researchers having claimed the same result it is quite possible, or they are wrong with the description (or us to understand it).

      now discussion on theory or laws is worthless, makes a test, and if the theory don’t agree, we have to change the theory.

      • Fortyniner

        It is precisely because phenomena that have been labelled LENR are demonstrable and largely repeatable that they provoke such a fear reaction in so many ‘establishment’ physicists.

  • GreenWin

    Bronco, yougo a fixation on fission being the only solution to energy/climate. But as we are seeing from the growing band of LENR heretics, the advent of a clean, green, abundant source of non-radiative energy has a giant advantage; aside from fractional cost, abundant natural consumables (e.g. H2O, Ni), tiny footprint, portability, — there is NO radioactive waste!

    Day in and out we are seeing the massive failure of the US nuclear program – not because it has contributed just 20% to the grid – because they’ve failed to clean up their waste. And it is very dangerous waste. At the root of your argument is your belief that somehow without nuke power plants, we lose our defense-related tritium. Poppycock.

    BTW, what makes anyone think certain PTB will allow the use of nuke weapons on Earth??

  • GreenWin

    Bronco, “How anybody can give SHT a fair hearing is mentally deranged…?” Paging Dr. Freud! “A fair hearing” is at the very center of good science, politics, justice, and all ideas new & challenging. Your tacit admission to this failure speaks volumes.

  • GreenWin

    Gosh Bronco, will you provide us with your evidence of LENR “scams?” Are you referring to the chicanery at CalTech, DoE and MIT re Pons & Fleischmann?

  • Omega Z

    Just below, Ophelia Rump provides some links to free transcription service. Have you checked them out.
    Of course Ahern my be hard to capture with the audio being a little rough.