Recent Blacklight Power Demo Videos Posted

Thanks to Mr. Moho for finding the videos from the recent Blacklight Power demonstration which took place on July 21st. I haven’t watched them yet — it looks like there is about four hours worth of material here. Just watching the very beginning of the video BLP CEO Randall Mills says they are working very hard to move their technology into the marketplace very quickly; he says they have finally worked through many theoretical and practical issues and now have a 3rd generation of their technology which he feels is ready to launch in a commercial product.

The synopsis from Youtube reads:

Specific events included: ignition of H2O-based solid fuel in air and argon atmospheres, calorimetric energy balance determination under argon, EUV spectroscopy of the hydrogen transitions to hydrinos, theory, technical, engineering, and commercialization presentations, and live demonstrations of BlackLight’s Third Generation SunCell with Photovoltaic Conversion of Light to Electricity. The main engineering aspects of the presentation were the complete system design and a unit that demonstrated those elements of the fast ignition and regeneration as well as optical distribution and photovoltaic conversion systems. A question and answer session was held with participation by three validators: a materials expert, an energetic materials and spectroscopy expert, and a defense company licensee.

  • Gerard McEk

    Mills should do a course in Public Relations. These presentations are extremely boring and costs you hours of precious time. I did not watch them fully. I just wondered how he is able to measure the output energy accurately. As being mentioned the spectrum of energy release goes from deep IR to soft gamma’s It will be extremely difficult to measure the complete spectrum at a reasonable accuracy level within a micro second.

  • Gerard McEk

    Mills should do a course in Public Relations. These presentations are extremely boring and costs you hours of precious time. I did not watch them fully. I just wondered how he is able to measure the output energy accurately. As being mentioned the spectrum of energy release goes from deep IR to soft gamma’s It will be extremely difficult to measure the complete spectrum at a reasonable accuracy level within a micro second.

    • Kwhilborn

      I found it very compelling with several of the points I had pondered being addressed.

      A few people here have seen earlier demos and wondered why the flashes are not brighter than their monitors allow and assume it cannot be brighter, but watching a live demonstration could damage your eyes. One guy said it looks no brighter than an arc welder, but judging brightness based on viewing a lcd monitor seems futile.

      Think there was a brief demo before animation around the hour mark (after i think), but I’m only guessing because I did not note times when watching.

      • Omega Z

        Your post reminds me of TV commercials decades ago for “TV’s”
        Brand X verses the new improved Brand Y. Just look at the difference in that Image. Hurry on in & buy one now…

        The Power’s of Suggestion. Some would be like, yeah, I can see the difference.
        I wasn’t very old then, But I was already smart to be like-
        Wait, What? You can see the difference on your old TV?

        Maybe they should just broadcast that new improved image thus saving you from having to buy a new TV. 🙂

        Anyway, I Agree about the brightness. If you watch someone Arc welding, it will burn your eyes & can cause blindness.
        As of Yet, I’ve never heard of this by watching someone Arc welding on a video screen. 🙂

      • US_Citizen71

        “One guy said it looks no brighter than an arc welder, but judging brightness based on viewing a lcd monitor seems futile.” – Not if you have a reference for comparison in the image or video. I am likely the person you are referring to, I made my judgment based on the sliver of a computer monitor showing on the left edge of one of the demo videos in the 250MB PDF download linked to in the previous topic.

        Cameras much like the human eye have an iris the opens and closes to control the light passing on to the camera sensor. When the camera detects the incoming light is very bright it closes the iris down to prevent over exposure. If the intensity of light is solar equivalent or 50X as much, Mills’ claim, then the iris will close to its smallest aperture. The tiny pinhole aperture will cause light sources at the edge of the frame to appear to be more dim then light sources in the center of the frame even if they are of the same intensity. This effect is used to cause the soft lighting effect often seen in portrait photography. That effect combined with the camera re-calibrating the signal from the camera sensor to record the the light from the demo should cause a massive mismatch in intensity that effectively hides the computer monitor in the frame.

        To test this I offer this simple experiment, take a candle and your brightest LED flashlight or a xeon strobe if have one. Place the strobe/flashlight in the center of the camera frame facing the camera. Then place the candle at the very edge of the frame. Light the candle, turn on the flashlight/strobe and take a video.

    • Asterix

      I think Mills knows his PR. Notice that he quotes output of his widget in “watts”, which, of course, is a measure of power. Does anyone ever pin him down to quote real energy figures (watt-hours, BTUs, joules, etc.)? A megawatt of power expended over a period of one microsecond isn’t very much energy.

      • bachcole

        But, of course, if you are standing next to it, you will cease to exist. (:->)

        • Asterix

          Not really–the total energy in such a pulse is very low. It could possibly damage your sight, but there’s not enough energy in a a 1 microsecond megawatt pulse to do very much harm.

          As an example, consider a photographic xenon strobe lamp. The rating system for these is watt-seconds or joules (same unit, different names). A typical commercially-available one runs, on average, about 100 J. Pack that much into a 1 microsecond pulse and you have 100 megawatts. I don’t think that I’ve ever seen anyone vaporized by photo strobe. (Actually, the pulse width runs in the neighborhood of 10 microseconds) And such strobes can be powered by a couple of size AA cells.

          And that is my problem with the good doctor. He claims a 17x gain in *power* but not *energy*. That’s not helpful at all.

  • Jonnyb

    Did anyone find the bit where it is actually running? Skimmed both a few days ago and found nothing. If you do, video 1 or 2 and time stamp please. Thanks

    • Ophelia Rump

      video 1 at about 1 hour 48 minutes it runs for about a second or two.

      • Jonnyb

        Thanks, could see it on the big screen, pretty disappointing again. Thanks anyway.

  • Jonnyb

    Did anyone find the bit where it is actually running? Skimmed both a few days ago and found nothing. If you do, video 1 or 2 and time stamp please. Thanks

    • Ophelia Rump

      video 1 at about 1 hour 48 minutes it runs for about a second or two.
      He says it is responsive to milliseconds and precisely controllable early in the talk but it looks like a box of firecrackers going of to me.
      He pumps argon gas in to facilitate the production of light with all that venting it must be a massive argon flow. This seems awkward.

      • bachcole

        It seems smoother than before, but is there ANY indication of over-unity. That is the BIG prize. Everything else is MEANINGLESS without over-unity.

        Lots of talk but no meaning.

        • Ophelia Rump

          In answer to your question about overunity, I have no doubt that he is getting more energy out than put in.

          So overunity Yes, LENR No.
          Creating and burning quantity HHO Gas from very little trigger input yes.
          Practical, I doubt it. His approach seems to be a combination of conceptual brilliance and dead end physics. The core concept is novel and on the surface exciting. Beyond that, the core concept actually works, he has found a way to trigger a chain reaction dissociating hydrogen and oxygen from water, once triggered it is self sustaining and the only fuel required after the reaction begins is water vapor.

          This is not LENR. It is thermolysis. I looked at the diagrams of his mechanism. If you look at the materials input, and how they are handled you can easily discern the process and that process is a variation of thermolysis. This actually has potential as a method of using small bits of aluminum to cause thermolysis to vast clouds of water vapor because the aluminum is a seed for what might be a self sustaining reaction.

          Ordinarily the goal of thermolysis is to produce hydrogen gas, or sometimes a jet of burning hydrogen gas by burning lots of aluminum and water, but in this process the hydrogen and oxygen production is seeded by the heat released by the burning aluminum which not only produces a tiny bit of seed hydrogen and oxygen, It burns it.

          The heat of the burning gas is sufficient to trigger a sustained chain thermolysis in a cloud of water vapor, immediately followed by a wall of burning as it expands through the interior of the vapor cloud.

          The vacuum created by burning the initial HHO may eventually become so large that the implosion terminates the reaction, that is my expectation.

          There are competing forces at work here. It begins with an aluminum explosion ignited by an electrical arc. The explosion causes a small area of thermolysis by the heat of the burning aluminum. The excessive heat ignites the hydrogen, creating more hydrogen and leaving a growing vacuum bubble in it’s wake.

          On the inside of the vapor cloud, there is a growing vacuum of the interior area, the interior area will grow larger more quickly, proportionate to the surface growth. Creating proportionately greater vacuum strain on the surface reaction as the process continues.

          The sparkler effect of exploding the aluminum may help distribute the reaction to a greater area creating multiple reaction cells, which would serve to overcome the limitations of the maximum size of the reaction imposed by the vacuum which would suck the reaction back into itself, perhaps causing a vacuum shell on the exterior of the reaction.

          The explosion is simultaneously imploding and so I do not think this implementation could drive a piston. the net effect in an enclosed space may be zero expansion or even contraction.

          The idea of chain thermolysis looks promising until you come up against the implosion physics caused by this cloud burning approach.
          He may have gone down a promising path and hit a wall on the vacuum. Perhaps he simply refused to accept defeat and start over with something new.

          Mills reminds me of Sideshow Bob. I feel sad for his team. What desperation people face to submit themselves to that for a paycheck, after years of study in the hopes of contributing to science.

      • Jonnyb

        Thanks, could see it on the big screen, pretty disappointing again. Thanks anyway.

    • Mark Underwood

      I haven’t looked at the youtube videos yet. But then they have only been up since the wee hours of today, July 26 2014. So how could you have skimmed them a few days ago?

  • @Frank: You shouldn’t give them a platform for free advertisment for this crap anymore…

    • bachcole

      I am willing to withhold making that decision for a while, but I am not optimistic. But I know how you feel. I feel your pain, so to speak.

    • Frank Acland

      I take a broad view. The site is E-Cat World, and the E-Cat is the focus of this site, along with other LENR technologies, but I am not opposed to discussing other energy technologies, because LENR is not taking place in a vacuum. It is being developed in a competitive energy environment, and I think it’s important to look at interesting competition — which we do quite often here.

      Randell Mills himself does not consider his technology LENR, and I don’t either. Personally I’m not pushing his technology or bashing it — but I think it is potentially interesting and I feel like it merits coverage here.

      • Frank, I know that you want to give us an overview over other competitors for LENR, and I like that!

        But in this case I think there is already a process of money making through dubious announcements.

        I’m just a bit frightened that the quality and credibility of this site will suffer by news about Mills and his “flashing-machine”.

        I think of the “good-sceptics” which maybe sometime are getting interested in the e-cat or LENR and are searching the net for informations about the e-cat history. Your site is invincible for this purpose! But when these people (in best case professional physicists) read about such “Mills-topics”, they may avoid e-catworld and find also the e-cat as a financial hoax.

        I hope you can see my thoughts…

        • Frank Acland

          Thanks, Barty — yes I see where you are coming from. I hope that readers here have the ability to make intelligent judgments between different technologies and inventions. I have my own thoughts on various technologies and inventors that we cover here, and they sometimes change based on new evidence. But I don’t see much harm in looking at and discussing various claims that are made. We often get very useful insights from people who comment here.

          • Omega Z

            IMHO, these different approaches are interconnected regardless of the Acronym used.
            Whether it is New physics or just a less understood branch, it deserves attention. Until validated theories are available that say otherwise, This field includes Mill’s work as well as all the others.

            Similarities:
            From different players, we see some who produce low excess energy for long periods. Others get High excess energy in an instant, This fits Mill’s results.

            Again, just my opinion, Mill’s not able to produce high output for prolonged periods has opted to producing high instant output just repeated at a high rate of speed.

        • bachcole

          barty, I understand you completely, and I have similar feelings. However, when the next report comes out and people are able to visit a running plant, I think that the good-skeptics run right past the hoaxers to get to the good stuff.

        • Kwhilborn

          Mills is a Harvard Trained Medical Doctor. His education cost more than most people make in a lifetime.

          Just being a Doctor for 25 years he could afford a a house with seven bathrooms. Are you suggesting he just wants more money so he can have maybe 10 bathrooms in his house?

          Doctors are one of the highest paid professions and Harvard educated Phi Beta Kappa Medical Doctors even more so.

          Yet you make the motivation out to be money?

          • Yes of cource. Did you ever heard about “greed”?
            It’s getting greater the more you have.

          • bachcole

            Yes, greed tends to increase the more that you have.

          • Kwhilborn

            But your lifestyle does not change that much. I mean he’d be driving a nice BMW whether he was worth $10 million (Doctor savings) or $100 million. Maybe his house will have 9 bathrooms instead of 6. Why risk jail for 3 more bathrooms?

          • Kwhilborn

            Yes. But laws prohibit fraud. Some non profit companies would seek donations claiming non profit, but then they would pay their CEO a million dollars a year. Fraud like this is easier than getting serious investors who would balk at high salaries, and accountability is required.

            I bet they can account for every dime with some accuracy. Have you ever owned shares in a company? You have access to the books with just one share.

            I’m sure doctoring would be more profitable unless this proves true.

          • Broncobet

            No,not true,we don’t require accounting that reaches the public for the start ups.These are “sophisticated ” investors ( I was one once you just signed a form that said you had 200,000). I had maybe 15,000. After 5 years I had a big pay off but that was long ago.

          • Kwhilborn

            If your money vanished I’m sure you would want some accounting. I’ve owned stock as well and get full access to the books.

          • Broncobet

            Not saying he’s crooked(a lot of LENT advocates are dubious) but Madoff had multi billions and he kept up the fraud. Few are more brilliant than Issac Newton or Tesla and Newton had tons of fringe beliefs ie Alchemy (which is the old time LENR) and a code from the bible.Tesla was very odd with his living.The fact he went to Harvard doesn’t hurt but he will be judged,many in this community are dubious and they are an over trusting lot.Harvard for Miles not Tesla.

          • Kwhilborn

            I’ve read Mills book. His explanation for the double slit experiment alone seems genius (Chapter 8). I don’t think any con man would sit on the marks for 25 years just to get another $20 million after he already had $60 million. He is motivated by good intentions, of this I have zero doubt.

      • Broncobet

        Yes, I like the menu here ,main dish AR, with side courses of different energy sources, or topics while we wait for some sermon on the mount from AR( don’t disappoint us!).

  • Christopher Calder

    I don’t find this video any more convincing that the old one.

    • bachcole

      The pops are smoother; that doesn’t convince you? The video is much longer; that doesn’t convince you? What’s wrong with you; you must be some kind of cult member or something.

  • I don’t find this video any more convincing than the old one.

    • bachcole

      The pops are smoother; that doesn’t convince you? The video is much longer; that doesn’t convince you? What’s wrong with you; you must be some kind of cult member or something.

  • deleo77

    The first video is a bit long. Having skimmed through both of them I found the following points of interest.

    1. The demo unit showed 17x gain in power, Mills said that when they load it with powder they get 100 to 200x energy gain.

    2. They are very optimistic that they will have a working prototype working in the field in 16-18 weeks from now. Mills can’t foresee any major issues blocking commercialization right now.

    3. BLP is seriously considering doing an IPO soon after the prototype is in the field. Their bankers are telling them that they can do that.

    4. The head of energy for the Air Force is seriously interested in BLP’s technology, as are other higher ups in the DoD. DoD representatives will be visiting BLP in 2 weeks for a firsthand demo.

    5. A materials scientist from the University of Illinois spoke via Skype and said that he has independently replicated most of what BLP has done with similar results and he has a unit currently running at U of Illinois. He is doing additional data analysis. He also said that he measured the UV spectra from the SunCell and it couples really well with PV cells. So he thinks the light it is producing is as beneficial as sunlight.

    6. BLP is going to give units away for free and enter into power purchase agreements.

    7. This demo was about showing continuous ignition. They have more R&D to do, but they appear to have made some progress with that over the past month.

    Those were some of my takeaways.

    • Sanjeev

      Thanks for the summary.
      I’m back on the fence with regard to BLP now. I fell to the negative side a few months ago. The device is improved a bit and many unanswered questions were answered. Mills is finally taking a step out of his personal lab.
      Of course its all based on talks and promises, not much solid going on there. It will take a customer, some agreements with manufacturers, names, faces, contracts etc etc to go to the positive side.
      BLP can be placed on 3rd place after IH and BEC, in my opinion. I will wait for 18 weeks, no problem….but the history of missed deadlines by BLP makes it hard to be extremely hopeful. Best wishes anyway….

      • otto1923

        He is now using a slurry to deliver the material to the spinning electrodes. He wants to use these reactors in vehicles. I wonder if the first commercial units will be able to contend with the sloshing around in a moving vehicle.
        Also he expects to make money splitting the proceeds from energy sales to the grid? What if users dont want to sell? What if they only power their own cars and houses? What happens when the grid eventually goes away? How will they sell power then?

        • Kwhilborn

          You must imagine the logical integration of this. Surely its first uses will be to power the grid. After all we would want to stop multi billion dollar Nuclear Reactor facilities by providing enough power to reduce need. Eventually smaller unit swill find their way into homes and cars and in 25 years maybe your toaster will simply run all by itself.

    • Omega Z

      “can’t foresee any major issues blocking commercialization right now.”
      Famous Words stated by Many. Do I hear footsteps. Hey is that Murphy. Hey STOP. Someone Tackle that Guy. 🙂

      DOD representatives will be visiting BLP in 2 weeks for a firsthand demo.

      And Yet, There will still be no public mention of this in Mainstream Media. The possibility of cheap energy is taboo.

    • Barry8

      Thanks deleo.

  • deleo77

    The first video is a bit long. Having skimmed through both of them I found the following points of interest.

    1. The demo unit showed 17x gain in power, Mills said that when they load it with powder they get 100 to 200x energy gain.

    2. They are very optimistic that they will have a working prototype working in the field in 16-18 weeks from now. Mills can’t foresee any major issues blocking commercialization right now.

    3. BLP is seriously considering doing an IPO soon after the prototype is in the field. Their bankers are telling them that they can do that.

    4. The head of energy for the Air Force is seriously interested in BLP’s technology, as are other higher ups in the DoD. DoD representatives will be visiting BLP in 2 weeks for a firsthand demo.

    5. A materials scientist from the University of Illinois spoke via Skype and said that he has independently replicated most of what BLP has done with similar results and he has a unit currently running at U of Illinois. He is doing additional data analysis. He also said that he measured the UV spectra from the SunCell and it couples really well with PV cells. So he thinks the light it is producing is as beneficial as sunlight.

    6. BLP is going to give units away for free and enter into power purchase agreements.

    7. This demo was about showing continuous ignition. They have more R&D to do, but they appear to have made some progress with that over the past month.

    Those were some of my takeaways.

    • Sanjeev

      Thanks for the summary.
      I’m back on the fence with regard to BLP now. I fell to the negative side a few months ago. The device is improved a bit and many unanswered questions were answered. Mills is finally taking a step out of his personal lab.
      Of course its all based on talks and promises, not much solid going on there. It will take a customer, some agreements with manufacturers, names, faces, contracts etc etc to go to the positive side.
      BLP can be placed on 3rd place after IH and BEC, in my opinion. I will wait for 18 weeks, no problem….but the history of missed deadlines by BLP makes it hard to be extremely hopeful. Best wishes anyway….

    • bachcole

      It is this kind of talk that causes me to NOT want to BAN Mills and BLP from this forum. But his demos still suck. Hopefully, the suckiness of his demos is not an indication of the quality of his ideas and the reality of his system.

    • Omega Z

      “can’t foresee any major issues blocking commercialization right now.”
      Famous Words stated by Many. Do I hear footsteps. Hey is that Murphy. Hey STOP. Someone Tackle that Guy. 🙂

      DOD representatives will be visiting BLP in 2 weeks for a firsthand demo.

      And Yet, There will still be no public mention of this in Mainstream Media. The possibility of cheap energy is taboo.

    • Thanks deleo.

  • Ophelia Rump

    This is not LENR. It is thermolysis. I looked at the diagrams of his mechanism. If you look at the materials input, and how they are handled you can easily discern the process and that process is a variation of thermolysis. This actually has potential as a method of using small bits of aluminum to cause thermolysis to vast clouds of water vapor because the aluminum is a seed for what might be a self sustaining reaction.

    Ordinarily the goal is to produce hydrogen gas, but in this process the hydrogen and oxygen production is seeded by the heat released by the burning aluminum which not only produces the hydrogen and oxygen, It burns it.

    The heat of the burning gas is sufficient to trigger a sustained chain thermolysis. The vacuum created by burning the initial HHO may eventually become so large that the implosion terminates the reaction.
    But the explosion is simultaneously imploding and so I do not think this implementation could drive a piston.

    If you doubt me listen to his recording of the single burst in the earlier video, and listen to the sound of someone detonating HHO in a balloon. There is a characteristic Crack sound from the explosion/implosion of HHO. The idea of chain thermolysis looks promising until you come up against the implosion physics caused by this cloud burning approach.

    Mills reminds me of Sideshow Bob.

  • bachcole

    Please, someone explain to us dummies exactly what is Mills’ alleged process. Does he zap water with a 5 volt, very high current electrical charge and this causes some of the hydrogen in the water to lose energy because the hydrogen electron goes to a lower orbit. And that “lost” energy is what we see in the flash?

    If this is it, then it is not LENR. If the Rossi effect really is this, then the Rossi effect is also not LENR. But I don’t really care, as long as it works and is safe and nonpolluting.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I deleted everything I had originally said here because I did the math and it takes about twice the energy to split water as you get from burning the hydrogen.
      1/2 cm3 of water split = 12560 Joules at 3000 degrees split from heating 1 CM 50%
      1 cm3 hydrogen split releases 15696 Joules.

      There is no efficient way to simply burn water.

      It would be crackpot to believe that there is.

      • Stephen Haigh

        It seems to me you are comparing temperatures but not necessarily energy. Presumably the energy required the break a water molecule into HHO is equal or greater than what you would get back by burning HHO. So I doubt it could be self sustaining.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Thank you I just made that annotation at the beginning.
          I concur. I came to the same conclusion as you.

          Being a crackpot is not as much fun as I thought it would be.
          It always looks so shameless and fun when other people do it, so effortless.

          What do you do when you fail to be a decent crackpot?

  • otto1923

    He is now using a slurry to deliver the material to the spinning electrodes. He wants to use these reactors in vehicles. I wonder if the first commercial units will be able to contend with the sloshing around in a moving vehicle.
    Also he expects to make money splitting the proceeds from energy sales to the grid? What if users dont want to sell? What if they only power their own cars and houses? What happens when the grid eventually goes away? How will they sell power then?

    • Kwhilborn

      You must imagine the logical integration of this. Surely its first uses will be to power the grid. After all we would want to stop multi billion dollar Nuclear Reactor facilities by providing enough power to reduce need. Eventually smaller unit swill find their way into homes and cars and in 25 years maybe your toaster will simply run all by itself.

      • Broncobet

        Any thing is possible ,lets keep those nuclear reactors spitting out electricity,untill something else comes along. Miles could be it but the odds are he is not.

  • farhad66
    • Kwhilborn

      I read these. I’m not arguing, but how does this support Mills Views. It supports dark matter, but what makes this article point to Hydrinos?

      • farhad66

        There is not any model for dark matter that allow such signals in known physics “3.56 kev” is soft x-ray signal exactly what mills was saying you would see from hydrino transition .

        http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9009876

        http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/Cont_EUV_HOH_053014.pdf

        • Kwhilborn

          Thank you. I see now. The Spectral Transmissions are fitting with Mills Model. Would Hydino creation emit light such as,
          http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329782.700-strange-dark-stuff-is-making-the-universe-too-bright.html?utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=SOC&utm_campaign=hoot&cmpid=SOC|NSNS|2013-GLOBAL-hoot#.U9UITKO9bPo
          also?

          Anyways. I am very clear on your earlier point. This recent astronomical discovery ( the one you mentioned, not the one I just did) does support Mills Hydrino claims a lot.

          • farhad66

            Newscientist article with this new soft x-ray signal discovery are actually two side of same coin , What they discovered is that there must be some unknown source of uv .euv or soft x-ray in universe to account for about 400% deficiency in known source of uv or soft x-ray that large amount of ionized gas imply that must be exist .what this new discovery show is that such unknown source of uv or soft x-ray actually exist.

          • Kwhilborn

            thanks.. wish i could buy you a beer.

        • Kwhilborn

          Sorry again. I’ve found the term “Soft Xrays” , but the only Hydrino Theory I can find put the wavelengths in 13.6 eV, range for the Hydrino cutoff.

          I am trying to find something that supports the “3.56 kev” you mention. I appreciate any direction finding this. I 100% believe they are related, but I am missing the correct paper that states that, or is that math I just do not known. Cheers at any rate. I really enjoy the “Dark Matter” possibilities of The Hydrino.

          • optiongeek

            This morning Mills published a back of the hand calculation that shows the continuum radiation perfectly matches the predicted spectra from the H[1/4] to H[1/17] transition. Google Society for Classical Physics to find the forum.

          • Kwhilborn

            Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. I find the idea of a Hydrino as exciting as the device itself (not really, device would be way more awesome). I am however very pleased with this.

            So the cosmos is supporting the Hydrino theory. I just wish I could discuss this in discussion groups without being ridiculed.

            This does help though.

  • Ophelia Rump

    You have seen my opinion of what he is doing.

    With that said, I think if they could somehow make the reaction sustain like the rocket engine thermolysis but without prolonged burning of aluminum, they would have something valuable.

    If they could do that, then they would literally be lighting water on fire and watching it burn.

    The rocket overcomes the vacuum with the force of the expulsion, I would put their ignition system in front of a high pressure jet of extremely fine water vapor. With the correct flow to balance the forces.

    It would need to start from a single seed input which kicks starts a chain reaction that does not self extinguish due to vacuum effects. The heat from burning the products of a thermolytic reaction produces significantly higher temperatures than are required to cause the thermolytic reaction. They need to be able to induce a chain reaction which burns water, which I believe they have done already. They also need to make it self sustaining for long durations by keeping it from collapsing back into it’s own vacuum.

    • Stephen Haigh

      It seems to me you are comparing temperatures but not necessarily energy. Presumably the energy required the break a water molecule into HHO is equal or greater than what you would get back by burning HHO. So I doubt it could be self sustaining.

      • Ophelia Rump

        Thank you I just made that annotation at the beginning.
        I concur. Being a crackpot is not as much fun as I thought it would be.

  • Jimr

    I attempted to watch the first on my Ipad from my easy chair, I lasted 30 min before I dozed off. Later in the day I watched the second video and lasted 35 min. The next day I returned to the first but after the 30-45 min time frame I gave up. I think I may have the attention span of a three year old.

    • Jimr

      I guess it wasn’t the next day, it only seemed like it. It was later in the day

  • Jimr

    I attempted to watch the first on my Ipad from my easy chair, I lasted 30 min before I dozed off. Later in the day I watched the second video and lasted 35 min. The next day I returned to the first but after the 30-45 min time frame I gave up. I think I may have the attention span of a three year old.

    • Jimr

      I guess it wasn’t the next day, it only seemed like it. It was later in the day

  • Omega Z

    Your post reminds me of TV commercials decades ago for “TV’s”
    Brand X verses the new improved Brand Y. Just look at the difference in that Image. Hurry on in & buy one now…

    The Power’s of Suggestion. Some would be like, yeah, I can see the difference.
    I wasn’t very old then, But I was already smart to be like-
    Wait, What? You can see the difference on your old TV?

    Maybe they should just broadcast that new improved image thus saving you from having to buy a new TV. 🙂

    Anyway, I Agree about the brightness. If you watch someone Arc welding, it will burn your eyes & can cause blindness.
    As of Yet, I’ve never heard of this by watching someone Arc welding on a video screen. 🙂

  • Guru

    This last BLP “technology” is
    a) Desperate scam with 100 kW in and 27 W out
    or
    b) If honest, so X years distant from commercial apps

    First on market will 2 biggest manufacturers with HephaHeat OU tech

  • Guru

    This last BLP “technology” is
    a) Desperate scam with 100 kW in and 27 W out
    or
    b) If honest, so X years distant from commercial apps

    First on market will 2 biggest manufacturers with HephaHeat OU tech

  • MMK

    C’mon Randell
    Since you have 17X, build one closed loop system that can run perpetually without any input energy for hrs, then others will believe you.

    • Mark Underwood

      Oh, it’s coming. Give them about two more months.

      • Kwhilborn

        A car I can drive to Brazil without refueling would be a good start. Put the apparatus on a trailer and go.

        • Omega Z

          If you had a Van, You could just put it in the back. Next to your bunk & apartment size fridge. A Flat screen, umm,,,

          • Kwhilborn

            Yes. I had said motorhome in some of my more futuristic visions, but electric cars already exist and would not need too much revanning (cough revamping).

            A motorhome you could always charge people a quarter to use your bathroom when they realize service stations (and their washrooms) have vanished.

  • Barry8

    The skeptic in me wonders if Mills is pushing for investment $ because he sees Rossi is about to make a big breakthrough. Lets face it, his demos are barely demos. The king has no clothes.

  • The skeptic in me wonders if Mills is pushing for investment $ because he sees Rossi is about to make a big breakthrough. Lets face it, his demos are barely demos. The king has no clothes.

  • steve high

    Guys, talk me down if you can but I’m thinking that Mills and his team of engineers have not thought the design through very well. At 1:31 of part 1 of his July 25 demonstration Mills tells us that in order for the Sun Cell to produce 10 Megawatts of electricity it will need to create 25 megawatts of light energy, as the photovoltaic cells have a 40% conversion ratio. While I’m all in favor of schemes that extract free energy from the vacuum, I am still of the opinion that once produced the energy has to go somewhere. Would that not leave 15 megawatts of power that the Sun Cell would need to dissipate as heat? With that much heat I suspect the Sun Cell itself would nearly glow with the intensity of the sun (hence the name?), which would tend to make UL certification for the home consumer a dicey proposition. I think it’s back to the drawing boards!

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      They have similar characteristics of concentrating solar plants. If they can solve it, you should be able to solve it in the SunCell.

    • ecatworld

      I think Mills is talking about leasing the Sun Cells to utilities, rather than putting it in homes.

      • steve high

        You are right, and I was making a bit of a joke at Mills’ expense. I think the problem boils down to this: in order to attract private investment Mills needs to always make it seem that commercialization is just around the corner even if it is not. Therefore he claims that he has outside engineers telling him that they see no problems with the current design and that it should be possible to produce a working prototype in twenty weeks. I could be wrong, but I am seeing a prototype that would probably melt itself into a puddle of metal, plastic and rare earths within seconds, because they have an enormous heat dissipation issue that they are not addressing. I think Mills is in fact a genius and that his effect is probably real, but his product is STILL in the early stages of R and D. I’m guessing that for the most part private investors would tend to stay away from the early stages of R and D, hence Mills is obliged to repeatedly create unrealistic expectations. This is too bad. If the government didn’t have such a stick up its ___ it would recognize that Mills has a potentially extraordinary breakthrough going on, and give him all the support he would need, so he wouldn’t have to use soft deceit to extract capital from investors.

        • deleo77

          It is difficult to see their demo and think of a commercial product being close to a reality. I have two differing thoughts:

          1. Mills always talks about scaling things up, using powder vs. aluminum pellets, faster rpm’s, more efficient PV cells… So we are always just seeing a fraction of what he claims the SunCell is capable of. Until he shows it can scale to that level, we just have to choose to believe his claims, or not.

          On the other hand:

          2. BLP is in the business of making hydrinos. They take water and make light. That is where it ends for them. They are not a product engineering and manufacturing company. Mills has said there are three other companies who specialize in system and product engineering who are building the SunCell. So this is something that BLP will not do. The prototype you see in the demo is just for their in-house testing. It is not an early version of a future product. All of the system engineering is being outsourced to other companies.

          • Omega Z

            I think Mills is more in this alone then he implies. In the Q&A(Part 2), someone asked if they expected any bumps that could cause a delay. Somewhere in the response was something like, “If you see anything that you think will be an issue, Contact me & let me know because I’m in a hurry to get this done.”

            You don’t ask a potential client in the audience questions of this nature if you got it all worked out.

      • MMK

        Hotcat or Suncell, the grids will be changed significantly and we have to understand this shift. Billion dollars investment, superannuations, are tied in with the grid infrastructures. Now we are facing the prospect of perhaps low Dc voltage directly to home appliances and electronics at minimal loss.

        • Omega Z

          Yep, You’ll need to rewire the entire electrical service in your home & replace every piece of electronics in your home.
          You’ll need adapters for just about everything. One item uses 48vdc. Another uses 24v, 12v, 6v, 3v, etc…
          You’ll likely need booster’s in the system. DC voltage looses it’s umpf over distance just as AC does. AC just lends itself to easy compensation.
          Or do the smart thing & install an inverter.
          Mills device should do this rather then shift trillions in cost to the consumer. He’s just looking to maximize his profits at your expense. The AC/DC argument is just B.S. cover. There is no advantage to the consumer to switch to DC. Only higher costs..

          NOTE: Several years ago, a guy developed a way to convert AC-DC with negligible loss in adapters at 1 or 2 cents in additional manufacturing cost. There’s a patent on this & it was speculated that a similar fix was possible for DC-AC.

      • deleo77

        It appears that this is another test run on July 25th at an off-site engineering firm that is doing work for BLP. The firing seems to be going faster, but it would be good to see this run 24/7 for months straight. That is what Mills is essentially advertising the SunCell is capable of. He needs to show that the metallic powder will hold up and not degrade over time.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQeUJkL6zYA

        • Omega Z

          If you had a Van, You could just put it in the back. Next to your bunk & apartment size fridge. A Flat screen, umm,,,

          • Kwhilborn

            He explains it in his video. Imagine the electron is jumping from the top of the empire state building aiming for a dime on the ground. There is gravity and electrostatics energy picked up in the process. This was almost 2 minutes into the first video, and if you start at two minutes you can hear half the story I just said.

          • US_Citizen71

            Can someone tell me how I too can develop eyes that can stare into “50 times solar intensity” light without eye protection like the two operators pictured above?

          • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

            The sun is parallell, this is losing intensity at r^2, is it really 50.000 suns, maybe 10.000
            suns? with a lower charge volume for the testing. Do they really look into the “sun” and not just beside it. But sure it looks dangerous on the eyes.

          • US_Citizen71

            Change in charge volume should only change the amount of light emitted not the intensity of the light. Look at this way the light from a single laser pointer might feel slightly warm on your skin, 10,000 laser pointers aimed so that the dots land next to each other will likely cause a burn, but the intensity hasn’t changed.

          • deleo77

            When the SunCell is fired up at full capacity (unlike the demos) it will be completely sealed in a chamber and no one will see it fire. These demos are way scaled down.

          • US_Citizen71

            They are definitely scaled down, the bottom video image is emitting about the same amount of lumens as 60 watt incandescent light bulb. The top one I would wager a guess of about the equivalent lumen output of a 150-300 watt sodium vapor light.

          • Vio Phile

            I agree, the technician/engineer stared right at the reactor when operating. If these sparks actually would equal to 1000 suns, he should be blind by now?

        • optiongeek

          Not to take anything away from Stefan’s explanation, but perhaps a less “physics-laden” approach might help some readers as well. Mills starts with a model of the electron that is very different from the Bohr model. Instead of assuming the electron is a point-charge “smeared” over a probability sphere as is done in standard QM, Mills says a bound electron is more like a super-thin skin of a basketball. The current density of the electron is very complicated as well, lots of spinning loops of current all interacting in a specific pattern. He also says that there are two ways for energy to leave a hydrogen atom – the first way is via photons of specific energy levels and wave lengths. These account for the spectral lines we see when we look at hydrogen in space or the lab. However, photonic radiation is only possible at the ground state and above, photons simply can’t form when the electronic shell is at the “ground state” and lower. However, the second way to get energy out of a hydrogen atom is via a non-radiative mechanism, involving a catalyst. If the catalyst can accept energy of the appropriate level, which is true for H-O-H, then under the right conditions, a hydrogen atom will give up this energy and go to a lower state. The energy ionizes the H-O-H and is immediately radiated away, typically in the soft X-ray spectrum, which means the H-O-H is returned to it’s original state, and the original hydrogen atom is turned into a “hydrino”. The hydrino is in a lower-than-ground state, which means it’s can’t interact photonically anymore, that is it’s “dark”. In other words, it has become “dark matter”. Kind of cool, right? This explains why so much of the universe is in the form of dark matter – it’s simply the “ash” from eons of hydrogen being converted into hydrinos.
          So to sum up, spinning current loops on the basketballs skin are held in place by a “trapped photon” balancing the forces between the proton and electron. A non-radiative reaction with a catalyst allows the trapped photon to escape to the catalyst and be ionized into soft x-ray radiation (don’t worry, the soft x-ray is absorbed by the atmosphere within one millimeter or so, it’s not a hazard). The energy force balance between the proton and electron adjusts to a lower orbital, with the electron traveling at a faster speed. That’s all it is.

          • GreenWin

            Very nicely done optiongeek. One added thought: at nano-scale we develop a “dimensional differential.” That is, time and relativity changes depending on our space-time frame of reference. At the nano-scale, evidence indicates time may move faster than it does in our “real world” or dimensional frame. If this is true, then there is a difference in volume of particles or amplitude of wave function between dimensions.

            This differential is similar to how a semiconductor junction works. A small current can have a gigantic effect on a large current — thereby creating an “amplification” effect. If we are to apply this principle to energy, we realize that a small (nano-scale) fluctuation “amplifies” a larger system.

            Thinkin’ out loud guys. Apologies.

      • Omega Z

        I am aware. My point is that Mill’s arguments are misinformed.
        You lose large quantities of power transmitting electricity long distance. If his device is used locally, that no longer applies. Everything in your home is mostly DC voltage. No, It’s Not. Only TV’s, Computers & such & they use both AC/DC. Feeding DC to these devices equals death to the device. They aren’t designed for DC input. All other appliances & such are AC period. It’s not DC converted. That’s the ones that use the bulk of power.

        I’m sure the 1st time Mill’s tells a Manufacturer they have to convert everything to DC, They’ll say, Mr. Mills. We’ll talk again. Once you can provide the AC voltage.

        I believe Mill’s is pretty sharp when it comes to theory, But as soon as he said the washer in my home runs on a DC motor, I new he didn’t have a clue outside the lab. The motors are AC.

        What’s silly, is he already has to provide the hardware to level & condition the energy output from his device. For just slightly more cost, he has AC output with minimal/negligible conversion loss. The technology already exists. It’s just not been utilized as of yet.

        Transitioning to a new power source will be disruptive enough. If he thinks everyone is going to provide their own convertor or adapters or replace everything in their home, Well, it’s like he’s trying to sabotage himself. I don’t see it happening. And I think the Market will set him straight..

        In the Video, He seems to be attempting to set up people with portable mobile systems to market energy. They’ll soon be letting him no about major market resistance.

    • Omega Z

      A 1Gw power plant, produces 3Gw of heat. 2Gw of that is waste heat.
      Compared to Mills who would need to produce 2.5Gw with 1.5Gw waste heat.
      If you wish to be skeptical, there are several legitimate reasons to be so. Please don’t raise false flags on issues that aren’t a problem. This just makes you appear like the type of skeptic we all claim to abhor.

      Mill’s does a poor job in his communications. Much of what he says gets taken out of context. The demo’s put out a fraction of the numbers he throws out as possibilities. But does so in a confusing fashion. Obviously, there would be a heat exchanger on something of large scale.

      For context, a high performance 500hp car>= 370Kw equals 1,263,000 BTU of heat. And this is all dissipated by approximately 2’x2′ square by 2 inch thick radiator & a 12v fan circulating approximately 3 gallons of coolant.

      • steve high

        Maybe we can have an answer from Dr Mills himself. I noticed he appears to be responding to comments on the You Tube site that is presenting his current demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxuoMzm2HNE&feature=youtu.be
        On his site I have posed the question, how his current design will handle the 15 megawatts of excess power. 15 megawatts of heat isn’t a problem in the big picture, it is a resource that could be used to cogenerate even more electricity through a steam turbine or some other means. I am merely skeptical that a one by one by one meter box (the design specification he discusses in the video) would be able to safely radiate away that much heat. I am hopeful that he will provide an answer that will dissipate my concern.

        • tlp

          Water vapour is added to the used fuel, 9 ml/s

  • steve high

    Guys, talk me down if you can but I’m thinking that Mills and his team of engineers have not thought the design through very well. At 1:31 of part 1 of his July 25 demonstration Mills tells us that in order for the Sun Cell to produce 10 Megawatts of electricity it will need to create 25 megawatts of light energy, as the photovoltaic cells have a 40% conversion ratio. While I’m all in favor of schemes that extract free energy from the vacuum, I am still of the opinion that once produced the energy has to go somewhere. Would that not leave 15 megawatts of power that the Sun Cell would need to dissipate as heat? With that much heat I suspect the Sun Cell itself would nearly glow with the intensity of the sun (hence the name?), which would tend to make UL certification for the home consumer a dicey proposition. I think it’s back to the drawing boards!

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      They have similar characteristics of concentrating solar plants. If they can solve it, you should be able to solve it in the SunCell.

    • Frank Acland

      I think Mills is talking about leasing the Sun Cells to utilities, rather than putting it in homes.

      • steve high

        You are right, and I was making a bit of a joke at Mills’ expense. I think the problem boils down to this: in order to attract private investment Mills needs to always make it seem that commercialization is just around the corner even if it is not. Therefore he claims that he has outside engineers telling him that they see no problems with the current design and that it should be possible to produce a working prototype in twenty weeks. I could be wrong, but I am seeing a prototype that would probably melt itself into a puddle of metal, plastic and rare earths within seconds, because they have an enormous heat dissipation issue that they are not addressing. I think Mills is in fact a genius and that his effect is probably real, but his product is STILL in the early stages of R and D. I’m guessing that for the most part private investors would tend to stay away from the early stages of R and D, hence Mills is obliged to repeatedly create unrealistic expectations. This is too bad. If the government didn’t have such a stick up its ___ it would recognize that Mills has a potentially extraordinary breakthrough going on, and give him all the support he would need, so he wouldn’t have to use soft deceit to extract capital from investors.

        • deleo77

          It is difficult to see their demo and think of a commercial product being close to a reality. I have two differing thoughts:

          1. Mills always talks about scaling things up, using powder vs. aluminum pellets, faster rpm’s, more efficient PV cells… So we are always just seeing a fraction of what he claims the SunCell is capable of. Until he shows it can scale to that level, we just have to choose to believe his claims, or not.

          On the other hand:

          2. BLP is in the business of making hydrinos. They take water and make light. That is where it ends for them. They are not a product engineering and manufacturing company. Mills has said there are three other companies who specialize in system and product engineering who are building the SunCell. So this is something that BLP will not do. The prototype you see in the demo is just for their in-house testing. It is not an early version of a future product. All of the system engineering is being outsourced to other companies.

          • Omega Z

            I think Mills is more in this alone then he implies. In the Q&A(Part 2), someone asked if they expected any bumps that could cause a delay. Somewhere in the response was something like, “If you see anything that you think will be an issue, Contact me & let me know because I’m in a hurry to get this done.”

            You don’t ask a potential client in the audience questions of this nature if you got it all worked out.

          • Kwhilborn

            I think that is a smart thing to say, and I as an investor would be glad to see a boss wiling to learn from the mistakes of others. Because life is too short to make them all yourself.

            I’ve always said to my passengers that if they see something that looks dangerous or a car driving erratically to speak up. I don’t mind backseat drivers if it will save us from an accident (or worse). He seems to share similar attitude about his invention.

        • Broncobet

          DOE has offered millions,they don’t want the help, you can’t force them to take government money.

      • MMK

        Hotcat or Suncell, the grids will be changed significantly and we have to understand this shift. Billion dollars investment, superannuations, are tied in with the grid infrastructures. Now we are facing the prospect of perhaps low Dc voltage directly to home appliances and electronics at minimal loss.

        • Omega Z

          Yep, You’ll need to rewire the entire electrical service in your home & replace every piece of electronics in your home.
          You’ll need adapters for just about everything. One item uses 48vdc. Another uses 24v, 12v, 6v, 3v, etc…
          You’ll likely need booster’s in the system. DC voltage looses it’s umpf over distance just as AC does. AC just lends itself to easy compensation.
          Or do the smart thing & install an inverter.
          Mills device should do this rather then shift trillions in cost to the consumer. He’s just looking to maximize his profits at your expense. The AC/DC argument is just B.S. cover. There is no advantage to the consumer to switch to DC. Only higher costs..

          NOTE: Several years ago, a guy developed a way to convert AC-DC with negligible loss in adapters at 1 or 2 cents in additional manufacturing cost. There’s a patent on this & it was speculated that a similar fix was possible for DC-AC.

          • MMK

            Sound like you are not familiar with the EHV or HV sectors nor the switch mode converters

          • Omega Z

            I am aware. My point is that Mill’s arguments are misinformed.
            You lose large quantities of power transmitting electricity long distance. If his device is used locally, that no longer applies. Everything in your home is mostly DC voltage. No, It’s Not. Only TV’s, Computers & such & they use both AC/DC. Feeding DC to these devices equals death to the device. They aren’t designed for DC input. All other appliances & such are AC period. It’s not DC converted. That’s the ones that use the bulk of power.

            I’m sure the 1st time Mill’s tells a Manufacturer they have to convert everything to DC, They’ll say, Mr. Mills. We’ll talk again. Once you can provide the AC voltage.

            I believe Mill’s is pretty sharp when it comes to theory, But as soon as he said the washer in my home runs on a DC motor, I new he didn’t have a clue outside the lab. The motors are AC.

            What’s silly, is he already has to provide the hardware to level & condition the energy output from his device. For just slightly more cost, he has AC output with minimal/negligible conversion loss. The technology already exists. It’s just not been utilized as of yet.

            Transitioning to a new power source will be disruptive enough. If he thinks everyone is going to provide their own convertor or adapters or replace everything in their home, Well, it’s like he’s trying to sabotage himself. I don’t see it happening. And I think the Market will set him straight..

            In the Video, He seems to be attempting to set up people with portable mobile systems to market energy. They’ll soon be letting him no about major market resistance.

    • Omega Z

      A 1Gw power plant, produces 3Gw of heat. 2Gw of that is waste heat.
      Compared to Mills who would need to produce 2.5Gw with 1.5Gw waste heat.
      If you wish to be skeptical, there are several legitimate reasons to be so. Please don’t raise false flags on issues that aren’t a problem. This just makes you appear like the type of skeptic we all claim to abhor.

      Mill’s does a poor job in his communications. Much of what he says gets taken out of context. The demo’s put out a fraction of the numbers he throws out as possibilities. But does so in a confusing fashion. Obviously, there would be a heat exchanger on something of large scale.

      For context, a high performance 500hp car>= 370Kw equals 1,263,000 BTU of heat. And this is all dissipated by approximately 2’x2′ square by 2 inch thick radiator & a 12v fan circulating approximately 3 gallons of coolant.

      • steve high

        Maybe we can have an answer from Dr Mills himself. I noticed he appears to be responding to comments on the You Tube site that is presenting his current demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxuoMzm2HNE&feature=youtu.be
        On his site I have posed the question, how his current design will handle the 15 megawatts of excess power. 15 megawatts of heat isn’t a problem in the big picture, it is a resource that could be used to cogenerate even more electricity through a steam turbine or some other means. I am merely skeptical that a one by one by one meter box (the design specification he discusses in the video) would be able to safely radiate away that much heat. I am hopeful that he will provide an answer that will dissipate my concern.

        • Kwhilborn

          Whats a worse case? That he needs to expand to 2 square meters?

          He has talked to me on youtube. Just be courteous.

          • steve high

            Hoo boy I never meant to come off sounding like a pseudoskeptic, as I am at least 90% convinced that Mills’ concept of deriving energy from things that are or at least act like hydrinos is valid and revolutionary. I am more like a worrywort, when I listen to a presentation I tend to think of things that could go wrong and worry about them.

            So I found myself worrying about what might happen if you unleash 25 megawatts of power inside a cube that is let’s say 2 meters on each side. According to Mills 10 megawatts will be siphoned away as electricity and I will accept for the moment that it is feasible using current technology to create and extract 10 megawatts of electricity from a 2 meter cubed box, assuming Mills is valid.

            What about the fifteen megawatts of excess heat? When you think about it, that would be roughly equivalent to lighting 150,000 100 watt light bulbs, if I have the math right. Can you imagine how much heat would be given off by 150,000 100 watt light bulbs? I’m pretty sure it would be technically challenging to remove that much heat from a two meter cubed box while leaving the electronics, pumps, mirrors and PV cells intact. Doable in some fashion, but probably not within a twenty week time frame.

            By the way, I do think it is a tragedy that Mills probably feels he has to propose a twenty week time frame in order to secure private investment. He has within his sights a technology that appears to have a high probability of being able to save lives and improve the quality of life on this planet. What he needs is an investment entity that would be willing to take the long view and give him all the time money and support he needs to bring his remarkable conception to fruition. In a sane world that entity would be government, through the National Science Foundation or some such. I have read much of his documentation along with the supportive corrobration he has received from various third parties. It is clear to me that his ideas have at least the same chance of being viable as countless other basic science and basic technology schemes that have received ample government support. Why won’t those people get off their butts and take an honest look at what Mills has come up with? Could it have something to do with the harm that Mills’ work could bring to vested interests? Our government “Of, By and For the People” is not “Government for Vested Interests”. Man I wish they would get that straight, what is taught in every elementary school across this great land of ours.

          • Omega Z

            “dissipate my concern” Ha, See what you did.

            Not offended. The heat just isn’t that much of a concern when looking at the big picture.
            25Mw, This is not something you would use as an individual. Something that size would be for business or community scale. That would be a fixed use & would incorporate the necessities.

            UNLESS, You have Evil intent and a 10Mw Laser in your backyard… Should we be concerned? 🙂

          • steve high

            Come to think of it, a proof of concept prototype wouldn’t need to deal with anywhere near that much heat and would still make a darned impressive demonstration. Gotta learn to think these things through a bit more before hitting the reply button. Take it away Randy!

          • Kwhilborn

            Yes.. When you do the math your concerns shine a little brighter. Maybe they should run a turbine instead. I thought it was a valid concern and did not consider your post skeptical. It seemed practical and thoughts like that are contributory.

      • Kwhilborn

        Note: I am also “friendlyprogrammer” but switch accounts on occasion.

        http://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/self-cooling-solar-cells-are-more-efficient-last-longer.html

        Self cooling Solar Cells might be useful…, but as stated, cooling is a advanced science of its own and there would be little issues.

        With so much power I wonder if ion wind could be used in the cooling if practical. Sorry brain is slow today

        • Omega Z

          I note that one of the panel brands Mill’s mentioned have built in cooling so all that is need is to hook it up to an exchanger if I understood it right.

          Note I sometimes go by Omega Z. Sometimes I go by- Oh, Wait, What? I always use Omega Z. I can’t remember more then 1 handle at a time. It leaves me dazed & confused. Or maybe that’s just my natural state. At least after listening to 3.5 hours of Mill’s.

      • Broncobet

        If the energy is there there is no problem. You can cool anything. I brought up the rocket nozzle but even better is DArPA’s wave rider goes 7,000(?) mph,the heat exchanger causes the air at that speed to go from very hot to very cold in an inch.

    • Broncobet

      There’s no problem if you have lots of light.A rocket engine has much higher temperatures and they cool them with the liquid H2.The problem is these guys will probably not produce a devise,

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    My general feeling of Mills is pouring a good part of BLP’s knowledge about the hydrino into public domain, meaning that at the moment there should be enough information to replicate and verify Mills claim of a hydrino. And this is exactly what it looks like is going to happen around he globe in various labs. There where three entities that was outside BLP that claimed replication, more will come if it works. This is indeed an all in and the final part of the BLP story, hopefully it will pain out well. The future will be very very interesting to follow. And it would be insane to assume it is a hoax at this time. Note that before this pouring of information the replication was almost nil and all evidences of a hydrino was and should be questioned. Not anymore.

    • deleo77

      If hydrinos are found to exist (meaning that Mills theory of electrons being able to go below the ground state to form a new more compact form of hydrogen) is correct, then without a doubt Mills deserves a Nobel Prize. And that is regardless of whether or not BLP is ever able to produce a commercial device.

      The issue is that the higher ups in the scientific community are nowhere near accepting the concept of a Hydrino. Will that change in the next 5 or 10 years? Perhaps, but I would say it is a long-shot. If you go the BLP entry on Wikipedia you will see several quotes from scientists about BLP? They think Mills’s Hydrino theory is ludicrous.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    My general feeling of Mills is pouring a good part of BLP’s knowledge about the hydrino into public domain, meaning that at the moment there should be enough information to replicate and verify Mills claim of a hydrino. And this is exactly what it looks like is going to happen around he globe in various labs. There where three entities that was outside BLP that claimed replication, more will come if it works. This is indeed an all in and the final part of the BLP story, hopefully it will pain out well. The future will be very very interesting to follow. And it would be insane to assume it is a hoax at this time. Note that before this pouring of information the replication was almost nil and all evidences of a hydrino was and should be questioned. Not anymore.

    • deleo77

      If hydrinos are found to exist (meaning that Mills theory of electrons being able to go below the ground state to form a new more compact form of hydrogen) is correct, then without a doubt Mills deserves a Nobel Prize. And that is regardless of whether or not BLP is ever able to produce a commercial device.

      The issue is that the higher ups in the scientific community are nowhere near accepting the concept of a Hydrino. Will that change in the next 5 or 10 years? Perhaps, but I would say it is a long-shot. If you go the BLP entry on Wikipedia you will see several quotes from scientists about BLP? They think Mills’s Hydrino theory is ludicrous.

      • Kwhilborn

        True enough. Imagine if Alexander Graham Bell published a paper and Theory instead of inventing and patenting. We would never have heard of him.

        He might get a Nobel Prize, but someone else would own the infinitely more valuable telephone patent.

  • US_Citizen71

    “One guy said it looks no brighter than an arc welder, but judging brightness based on viewing a lcd monitor seems futile.” – Not if you have a reference for comparison in the image or video. I am likely the person you are referring to, I made my judgment based on the sliver of computer monitor showing on the left edge of one of the demo videos in the 250MB PDF download linked to in the previous topic. Cameras much like the human eye have an iris the opens and closes to control the light passing on to the camera sensor. When the camera detects the incoming light is very bright it closes the iris down to prevent over exposure. If the intensity of light is solar equivalent or 50X as much, Mills’ claim, then the iris will close to its smallest aperture. The tiny pinhole aperture will cause light sources at the edge of the frame to appear to be more dim then light sources in the center of the frame even if they are of the same intensity. This effect is used to cause the soft lighting effect often seen in portrait photography. That effect combined with the camera re-calibrating the signal from the camera sensor to record the the light from the demo should cause a massive mismatch in intensity that effectively hides the computer monitor in the frame.

    To test this I offer this simple experiment, take a candle and your brightest LED flashlight or a xeon strobe if have one. Place the strobe/flashlight in the center of the camera frame facing the camera. Then place the candle at the very edge of the frame. Light the candle, turn on the flashligtht/strobe and take a video.

  • Sandy

    Perhaps we should consider the hydrogen in ordinary water to be a form of hydrogen that has been charged with extra energy by terrestrial lightning strikes and by the Sun’s corona (and then transported to Earth in the solar wind). In that case, Mills might be regarded as having discovered a way to release that extra energy and to thereby return the hydrogen to its “normal” lower-energy state.

    • Jonnyb

      Santilli’s theory I think?

  • Omega Z

    I think what Mills has, Works. I think some of the issues brought up here(Like Heat) are non-issues. But I also think his time line is overly optimistic. That there are still many engineering problems yet to be solved.

    Part 1 at 13min in:They can make the energy thermal in nature rather then light capturing it in a closed container(Ignited in a Bomb calorimeter shown) & measured by standard commercial instruments for energy calculations.

    The Light in the Demo’s is blue/white, similar to sunlight that’s an indicator of around 5K to 6K Kelvin & at least above 3K Kelvin. Varies by demo. They can also vary the wavelength to match different PV’s.

    Intends to use Vertically stacked PV’s using variant reflective mirrors for light dispersal focused with a convex lens.

    Questions as to aluminum capsule: That is for demonstration purposes only.
    The feed system, No longer funneled. Will be feed by slurry system by pump.
    Energy output will be controlled by wheel diameter & RPM, width & slurry density.
    In a past demo, Molybdenum(2,623°C) was mentioned & now has changed to Tungsten(3,422°C). This would be the metal nano lattice. Halide elements are used for water absorption carrier. Still not determined which will be used in production. At 35:40min 50nm magnesium chloride used in this demo. Of Interest to some, He also mentioned the water breaks down to HOH in the process. Question mark in my mind… What?

    All this Said, When he talks Theory, he comes across credible & confident. Once he strays from that realm, He should STFU before someone thinks he is Stupid. Oppps. To Late.

    He’s one of those highly educated people that is fine on his home turf & should you join him there, tread carefully. He’ll probably have you for lunch. But take him outside his zone & he appears to be lost.

    NOTE: Both AC/DC have their Pos./Neg. uses.
    According to Mill’s, everything is pretty much DC voltage. We only transmit it as AC voltage. My Computer & TV make use of both AC/DC & yes, I’m aware they could be made 100% DC. But Everything else in my home is AC. The compressors in the fridge, Freezer, Air conditioner, the blower in my furnace, Washer/Dryer all. DC rules for personal mobile devices or EV’s. You don’t find much use in Industry/Factories Etc… Does he think they’ll spend additional trillions transitioning. I don’t think so. Inverters are much cheaper & simpler.

    He stated a 1Kw unit for home use. Again, he shows a lack of knowledge, however, I cut him slack on this as he has plenty of company in this wrong assumption by about 30Kw. Even more if you allow for heating in many areas. Needs informed about Peak demand.

    He completely lost me when he said there’s only 6 to a dozen 10 Million watt power plants built every year due to xyz reasons. What does that even mean. I can only assume he meant 1Gw power plants. Other wise it would be a 10Mw plant which is small & his xyz reasons fall apart. Again, he’s out of his safety zone.

    In Part 2 which was Q&A, He talks about 10 then 15 cents a Kwh. That’s about triple what I pay now. 50% more even when you include carrier fees & Nat/State/Local taxes.
    He also said that the Preferred Business model That He & most investors are interested in following was Leasing. And that it would have restrictions as to how the technology could be used because of financial liabilities.

    I’ve stated many times. Business has a right to a reasonable profit. They have a right to gain from their IP. However I take serious issue with outright Greed & he came across as greedy in several of his statements. Of course he also came across as clueless on many occasions.

    Having watched all of the video, There are many hopeful projections on his part. Many things still in flux & undetermined even tho he tried to imply otherwise.

    Another Impression I got. This demo came across like an-
    MLM(Multi-level-Marketing) Sell my -Aloe Vera-. Sign up dealers under you. Of Course Mill’s wants half of all sales profit. He’s at the Top you know…

    Sorry this post is so long, but many expressed little interest in watching all the video & I try to pass on the main points. Having done so, I feel like I wasted my time, However I learned from it so you know. Not thrilled about what I learned.

    • Thanks Omega. I rely on a lot of Ecaters for clarity and insight regarding Mills and Blacklight.

      • Omega Z

        Thanks goes to everyone. it’s a collaborative effort.

    • Kwhilborn

      Excellent post. Is it available in paperback? I agree with everything you have said although transitioning to DC will occur eventually. Transitions are just that. AC can kill Elephants don’t ya know (lol). Eventually what is to stop your toaster from simply powering itself from the moisture in the air. Wireless toaster that still burns bagels.

      As far as greed goes. Mankind has a way of creating a black market when things are overpriced (ask any smoker), and I hear China has a Fake Apple store where their Fake Apple Techies help clients with their fake Iphones and tablets.

      I don’t even think LENR is an invention. The ecat seems more like a container with the right stuff inside (shaken not stirred). Add this, that, and the other thing, and bake at 350 for 1 hour, but make sure your oven doesn’t explode and kill people.

      I listened to all of it and you were very perceptive to notice the flaws in his speech.

      Not only will Blackmarkets keep prices in check, we will also see gas fall back down to 20 cents a liter (I can remember that. egad!). I mean the government cant make any tax money off it if nobody buys. Also Oil Fracking should be cheaper if they use cheaper power to do it.

      I do not see a fraud possibility with mills. I dont think it is logical. He may run into development problems again, but I think his intentions are good.

      I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PAPERS THAT SUPPORT HYDRINO THEORY should anybody know of any not listed on BLP website or sponsored by them. My “Library” needs a reading material exchange.

      We need something soon. I’ve given up hoping the FBI will release the Tesla files showing us how we can power our homes with 3 “C” batteries and a chunk of coal..

      • Omega Z

        Ha, Just cut, paste, print, fold. It’s paperback. 🙂
        Note I don’t guarantee it’s integraty. 3.5 hours. uggg.
        I posted Tungsten(3,422°C), but it may have been Titanium(1,668°C).

        I don’t have a pet elephant so I’m not concerned. I’ll post a sign warning anyone who happens to be walking 1 near my residence for liabilty reasons. They Better have quite the pooper scooper & a large bag tho. I Will Not Be Cleaning That Up!!!

        Black market products produce many issue’s, But, The market has it’s own checks & balances. If your over charging, someone will immediately develop their own technique & sell for less & so on until prices fall to acceptable range.

        Like many here, I favor Rossi, but I’m no fool. I want competition just to make sure to keep him honest & even if he is, Can we trust IH to be the same.

        The E-cat- Simply Complex. Simple, but more complex then most of us may realize. Else it would be done & on the market.
        As to Mill’s, I think he’s sharp- theorist wise, But depends on others to make it happen. Over the years, I have yet to see him do anything but talk. He always has others do & show.

        20 cents a liter. That be about 75 cents a gallon plus soon to be a dollar tax in the States.

        Independent Hydrino Theory papers. I think I came across some a couple years back, but I can’t help ya there. Does BLP website point to any outsiders.

        • Kwhilborn

          I like Mills and Rossi, but there are so many companies working on simpler ways to split water I’m almost rooting for a breakaway hydrogen source that has been off all our radars.

          I won’t care if I have to fill my tank with water/snow/etc. Especially if on a boat.

    • Sanjeev

      I have exactly the same impression of Mills, you stated the same in a much better way.
      It looks like greed, compulsive desire to control the tech and ignorance of engineering and other sciences is the real cause of the delay which lasted for 20 years and still going on.

      The tech is verified, even academics agrees that it works. Hydrino signatures are clear, at least there is something strange and new happening there which produces those emission spectra. So what is the hold up ? — Mills himself. This demo, for the first time, shows that he is beginning to realize that it will be much wiser to collaborate with others.

  • Kwhilborn

    thanks.. wish i could buy you a beer.

  • Barry8

    Thanks Omega. I rely on a lot of Ecaters for clarity and insight regarding Mills and Blacklight.

    • Omega Z

      Thanks goes to everyone. it’s a collaborative effort.

  • Jonnyb

    Santilli’s theory I think?

  • Mark Underwood

    Oh, it’s coming. Give them about two more months.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    It is interesting to note that they regenerated the fuel numerous times and did find that the technology seams to be stable and the fuel properties did not deteriorate across regeneration. But I assume they have not done tests for say one week continuous runs so this can still be an issue. Also at vortex, there are people expressing concerns about the slurry being vaporized. Anyhow that can be an issue for 10MW. Doing it 100kW would probably be much easier and still be a good product, if they can use the cheaper PV cells (I think that they still need to spread the light in the same way 50000 suns -> 1000 suns). Another interesting fact is that sun cells at 10000 suns is under development. Mills expressed concerns that those are hard to make use at continues power due to heat problems. But if we consider a more infrequent pulsed light source at say a unit delivering 300kW for a car, it will not have heat problems, but can be cost effective and of a small size. To me it looks like Mills is very focused on maxing the utility of the PV cells because they stand for the highest cost. But 5 dollar per kW continuous. Assume that we need the 10MW device but run it 300kW peak that means 5 x 10000 = 50000 dollar, surely very expensive for a car. So you need to sell electricity to get the economy of the device. But what about getting a reaction that is 10.000 suns? Or 1000 suns, he doesn’t speak about those paths much but find those interesting.

    • Kwhilborn

      Yes, but can they regenerate and more importantly compress the fuel thousands of times per second? I wonder how quickly it must fire to get over unity?

      • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

        Do they really need to fire it 1000 times a sec? Their next unit is scheduled for 100kW, that equates to rather low number of frequency, 100X. The thing is that the device will be pretty expensive for 100kW due to the cost of 50 m^2 solar cells of 1000 suns. With some effort they probably can trim it to 1MW. But as you say 10MW at those dimensions, that I want to see before I believe.

        • optiongeek

          Mills talked about a firing rate anywhere from 2- 4kHz (2000 to 4000 per second). Each ignition in the demos shown so far involves about 30uL, or about 6 liters per minute during operation. I think he mentioned the fuel rehydrates in about a minute, so my guess is roughly 6 L of slurry in a production system with that much water being added to replace the water being consumed. Very ballpark, but gives a general sense of how much flow is required. Less than a garden hose.

  • Stephen Paul Goodfellow

    An impressive demonstration.

  • Stephen Paul Goodfellow

    An impressive demonstration.

    • bachcole

      I’m sorry, I must have missed something. Perhaps, Stephen, you could cite the time in which video that you found to be most impressive.

  • Fyodor

    Can anyone explain whether there was a clear measurement of input energy vs. collected output energy?

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      Not in the demo, but last demo showed 2X in a bomb calormeter. They have a paper where you can see the result for different fuels, sometimes showing 5X or more. There is one validator that have tested the reaction and is getting surplus of energy for which he cannot explain, naming it peculiar. Also these tests are with an Aluminium container, that takes quite a lot of energy to get through and it seams reasonable that the COP is much higher than 2,5, etc. At least I have not seen anyone questioning that it takes 100J or so to get through it and therefore I atm assume that it is not a strange fact. Mills claim of 100COP is in a sense in line with what he tell us, but really I want to see it before I believe it.

      • Omega Z

        Mills stated 200J to penetrate the Aluminum in the video while still putting out about 700J I think. He also indicated the Aluminum is just for test demo’s & likely wont be used in an actual product. Will see what he says in the next demo.

        • Fyodor

          So no, no actual measured and recorded energy output and input for the demonstrated technology, correct? This would seem to be pretty important. I didn’t see any in the power point, either.

          • deleo77

            Perhaps it is good to put a post here from James Bowery on Vortex. I too think it means something for a Professor at U of Illinois to say he has independently replicated much of BLP’s work in his own lab. Professors at Rowan University claim to have independently replicated as well:

            From James Bowery on Vortex today:

            “OK was I was able to adopt an unreasonably open posture toward Mills’s presentation and spend time searching for the calorimetry in the demonstration videos. What I found was intriguing enough to bother to do a
            little more investigation and invest a bit of my personal credibility with a physicist whose time I am hesitant to impose on but who is at least somewhat open to looking at alternatives to “accepted” theory.
            Two outcomes:

            1) After a quick reading of key points of particular interest to him the physicist is convinced Mills’s theory is worthy of further consideration.

            2) In part 2 of the July 21st demo, very near the end, is a report from a professor at the University of Illinois that claims to have reproduced Mills’s heat phenomenon with rigorous calorimetry. I went to the
            University of Illinois and have colleagues there that are skeptical of George Miley’s work there. My impression of the of the UofIL is that when a professor of engineering there says something in his field of expertise,it is it is unwise to discount it before giving it serious consideration.

            I find this somewhat disconcerting because I’ve previously been relatively skeptical toward BLP simply on the basis of its incompetently drafted press
            release prior to its first demo of this year and the seeming appeal to 2 “miracles” at once:

            1) The hydrino (the miracle here being that Mills has overturned most of the 20th century’s authorities in physics).

            2) That the hydrino explains the production of nuclear ash (columb masking)of cold fusion experiments while at the same time providing substantial energy (if not most of its energy) from hydrino chemistry.”

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    Do they really need to fire it 1000 times a sec? Their next unit is scheduled for 100kW, that equates to rather low number of frequency, 100X. The thing is that the device will be pretty expensive for 100kW due to the cost of 50 m^2 solar cells of 1000 suns. With some effort they probably can trim it to 1MW. But as you say 10MW at those dimensions, that I want to see before I believe.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    Not in the demo, but last demo showed 2X in a bomb calormeter. They have a paper where you can see the result for different fuels, sometimes showing 5X or more. There is one validator that have tested the reaction and is getting surplus of energy for which he cannot explain, naming it peculiar. Also these tests are with an Aluminium container, that takes quite a lot of energy to get through and it seams reasonable that the COP is much higher than 2,5, etc. At least I have not seen anyone questioning that it takes 100J or so to get through it and therefore I atm assume that it is not a strange fact. Mills claim of 100COP is in a sense in line with what he tell us, but really I want to see it before I believe it.

    • Omega Z

      Mills stated 200J to penetrate the Aluminum in the video while still putting out about 700J I think. He also indicated the Aluminum is just for test demo’s & likely wont be used in an actual product. Will see what he says in the next demo.

  • Countdown Clock to Blacklight Power’s working prototype: http://tinyurl.com/l4akelg

  • deleo77

    It appears that this is another test run on July 25th at an off-site engineering firm that is doing work for BLP. The firing seems to be going faster, but it would be good to see this run 24/7 for months straight. That is what Mills is essentially advertising the SunCell is capable of. He needs to show that the metallic powder will hold up and not degrade over time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQeUJkL6zYA

    • Geewhiz

      “24/7” … or at least long enough for me to drive from here to 7/11 and back

  • bachcole

    Someone explain to me again how Mills supposedly squeezes energy out of the hydrogen atom by forcing the electron into a lower than normal orbit, please.

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      If you consider the normal energy levels of the atom, then the ground state, the state with the closest field to the nucleus and has the lowest energy. It’s a mathematical fact of the atom. Normally if you keep something in a ‘trajectory’ and pull it towards the center you conserve the energy. So your question is really a good one, why does it loose energy? Mills states that the electron is a trapped photon and a shell of charge,
      The reason is that in order to support a bound state you need the electron to be a standing wave e.g. there is just a discrete set of possible ways to setup an electron in an atom. This constraint means that you cannot conserve energy if you push it another level and you either loose or take up energy by pushing it to another ‘trajectory’. Maybe someone can explain it better, but a photon trapped of a certain energy has a specific wave length, which means that if it takes one wave length to get around the shell, then the energy of the photon increases proportionally as the radious shrinks. On the other hand the electron is in a potential field, e.g. the electrostatic force that bound the electron, the coloumb field, that drags it towards the nucleus. Getting closer to the nucleus means that you yield energy and this is a highly nonlinear relationship. As a result for every standing wave of n wavelengths you get due to force balance a specific radious. (well the story is much more complicated, but this gives a hint). The hydrino (this is a guess) basically means that the photon exploits the tree dimensions to do a fractional e.g. 1/2 wave length each turn looked from one angle, but also turns in other directions varies so if you look at it on the sphere it will do one wavelength when it get’s back to the start e.g. being a standing wave. So now looking at only one plane it does a half wavelength e.g. in order to fit this, the radious need to shrink even further, and again by the nonlinearity of the Coloumb law, you will gain energy. At least this is how I now interpret all this theory, I would be glad if someone corrects me.

    • optiongeek

      Not to take anything away from Stefan’s explanation, but perhaps a less “physics-laden” approach might help some readers as well. Mills starts with a model of the electron that is very different from the Bohr model. Instead of assuming the electron is a point-charge “smeared” over a probability sphere as is done in standard QM, Mills says a bound electron is more like a super-thin skin of a basketball. The current density of the electron is very complicated as well, lots of spinning loops of current all interacting in a specific pattern. He also says that there are two ways for energy to leave a hydrogen atom – the first way is via photons of specific energy levels and wave lengths. These account for the spectral lines we see when we look at hydrogen in space or the lab. However, photonic radiation is only possible at the ground state and above, photons simply can’t form when the electronic shell is at the “ground state” and lower. However, the second way to get energy out of a hydrogen atom is via a non-radiative mechanism, involving a catalyst. If the catalyst can accept energy of the appropriate level, which is true for H-O-H, then under the right conditions, a hydrogen atom will give up this energy and go to a lower state. The energy ionizes the H-O-H and is immediately radiated away, typically in the soft X-ray spectrum, which means the H-O-H is returned to it’s original state, and the original hydrogen atom is turned into a “hydrino”. The hydrino is in a lower-than-ground state, which means it’s can’t interact photonically anymore, that is it’s “dark”. In other words, it has become “dark matter”. Kind of cool, right? This explains why so much of the universe is in the form of dark matter – it’s simply the “ash” from eons of hydrogen being converted into hydrinos.
      So to sum up, spinning current loops on the basketballs skin are held in place by a “trapped photon” balancing the forces between the proton and electron. A non-radiative reaction with a catalyst allows the trapped photon to escape to the catalyst and be ionized into soft x-ray radiation (don’t worry, the soft x-ray is absorbed by the atmosphere within one millimeter or so, it’s not a hazard). The energy force balance between the proton and electron adjusts to a lower orbital, with the electron traveling at a faster speed. That’s all it is.

      • GreenWin

        Very nicely done optiongeek. One added thought: at nano-scale we develop a “dimensional differential.” That is, time and relativity changes depending on our space-time frame of reference. At the nano-scale, evidence indicates time may move faster than it does in our “real world” or dimensional frame. If this is true, then there is a difference in volume of particles or amplitude of wave function between dimensions.

        This differential is similar to how a semiconductor junction works. A small current can have a gigantic effect on a large current — thereby creating an “amplification” effect. If we are to apply this principle to energy, we realize that a small (nano-scale) fluctuation “amplifies” a larger system.

        Thinkin’ out loud guys. Apologies.

      • bachcole

        Thank you, optiongeek. I am pretty sure that there is a lot of heavy duty and elegant mathematics involved, or else people wouldn’t be so excited about it.

        I am going to take a wild guess and say that the dark matter is also being recycled. I have no evidence for this outside of my own intuition, but that is still my belief.

        • optiongeek

          Actually no. Once a hydrogen atom transitions to the smaller, lower energy hydrino state it’s basically done. While it is technically possible for it to become hydrogen again, it would require so much energy that it is nearly impossible to occur on its own in a terrestrial environment. Possibly a star or similar environment could “recycle” hydrino/dark matter back into hydrogen but it’s a very steep hill to climb.
          However the stability of the hydrino is actually a good thing. Because hydrinos are extremely inert (more stable than Argon) and lighter than air, we don’t need to worry about hydrinos becoming a pollutant. They will simply drift up into space and leave the atmosphere. They just kind of disappear never to be worried about again.

    • Kwhilborn

      He explains it in his video. Imagine the electron is jumping from the top of the empire state building aiming for a dime on the ground. There is gravity and electrostatics energy picked up in the process. This was almost 2 minutes into the first video, and if you start at two minutes you can hear half the story I just said.

    • Investor

      I see you post a lot of glib comments. Maybe go and read volume 1 of Mills’ book “Classical Physics” then the many papers posted on his website and his technical summary slide show. When you have done the work then post your questions. Until you put in the work you are a waste of time.

      • bachcole

        I do tend to be glib, I admit. But I was sincere when I asked that question, and I don’t have the time or the scientific background to read all of that stuff. I just asked for an explanation, not a castigation.

  • Omega Z

    Ha, Just cut, paste, print, fold. It’s paperback. 🙂
    Note I don’t guarantee it’s integraty. 3.5 hours. uggg.
    I posted Tungsten(3,422°C), but it may have been Titanium(1,668°C).

    I don’t have a pet elephant so I’m not concerned. I’ll post a sign warning anyone who happens to be walking 1 near my residence for liabilty reasons. They Better have quite the pooper scooper & a large bag tho. I Will Not Be Cleaning That Up!!!

    Black market products produce many issue’s, But, The market has it’s own checks & balances. If your over charging, someone will immediately develop their own technique & sell for less & so on until prices fall to acceptable range.

    Like many here, I favor Rossi, but I’m no fool. I want competition just to make sure to keep him honest & even if he is, Can we trust IH to be the same.

    The E-cat- Simply Complex. Simple, but more complex then most of us may realize. Else it would be done & on the market.
    As to Mill’s, I think he’s sharp- theorist wise, But depends on others to make it happen. Over the years, I have yet to see him do anything but talk. He always has others do & show.

    20 cents a liter. That be about 75 cents a gallon plus soon to be a dollar tax in the States.

    Independent Hydrino Theory papers. I think I came across some a couple years back, but I can’t help ya there. Does BLP website point to any outsiders.

  • Omega Z

    I note that one of the panel brands Mill’s mentioned have built in cooling so all that is need is to hook it up to an exchanger if I understood it right.

    Note I sometimes go by Omega Z. Sometimes I go by- Oh, Wait, What? I always use Omega Z. I can’t remember more then 1 handle at a time. It leaves me dazed & confused. Or maybe that’s just my natural state. At least after listening to 3.5 hours of Mill’s.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    If you consider the normal energy levels of the atom, then the ground state, the state with the closest field to the nucleus and has the lowest energy. It’s a mathematical fact of the atom. Normally if you keep something in a ‘trajectory’ and pull it towards the center you conserve the energy. So your question is really a good one, why does it loose energy? Mills states that the electron is a trapped photon and a shell of charge,
    The reason is that in order to support a bound state you need the electron to be a standing wave e.g. there is just a discrete set of possible ways to setup an electron in an atom. This constraint means that you cannot conserve energy if you push it another level and you either loose or take up energy by pushing it to another ‘trajectory’. Maybe someone can explain it better, but a photon trapped of a certain energy has a specific wave length, which means that if it takes one wave length to get around the shell, then the energy of the photon increases proportionally as the radious shrinks. On the other hand the electron is in a potential field, e.g. the electrostatic force that bound the electron, the coloumb field, that drags it towards the nucleus. Getting closer to the nucleus means that you yield energy and this is a highly nonlinear relationship. As a result for every standing wave of n wavelengths you get due to force balance a specific radious. (well the story is much more complicated, but this gives a hint). The hydrino (this is a guess) basically means that the photon exploits the tree dimensions to do a fractional e.g. 1/2 wave length each turn looked from one angle, but also turns in other directions varies so if you look at it on the sphere it will do one wavelength when it get’s back to the start e.g. being a standing wave. So now looking at only one plane it does a half wavelength e.g. in order to fit this, the radious need to shrink even further, and again by the nonlinearity of the Coloumb law, you will gain energy. At least this is how I know interpret all this theory, I would be glad if someone corrects me.

  • US_Citizen71

    Can someone tell me how I too can develop eyes that can stare into “50 times solar intensity” light without eye protection like the two operators pictured above?

    • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

      The sun is parallell, this is losing intensity at r^2, is it really 50.000 suns, maybe 10.000
      suns? with a lower charge volume for the testing. Do they really look into the “sun” and not just beside it. But sure it looks dangerous on the eyes.

      • US_Citizen71

        Change in charge volume should only change the amount of light emitted not the intensity of the light. Look at it this way the light from a single laser pointer might feel slightly warm on your skin, 10,000 laser pointers aimed so that the dots land next to each other in a 100×100 grid will likely cause a burn, but the intensity hasn’t changed.

    • deleo77

      When the SunCell is fired up at full capacity (unlike the demos) it will be completely sealed in a chamber and no one will see it fire. These demos are way scaled down.

      • US_Citizen71

        They are definitely scaled down, the bottom video image is emitting about the same amount of lumens as a 60 watt incandescent light bulb. The top one I would wager a guess of about the equivalent lumen output of a 150-300 watt sodium vapor light.

    • Vio Phile

      I agree, the technician/engineer stared right at the reactor when operating. If these sparks actually would equal to 1000 suns, he should be blind by now?

    • bachcole

      It is a superpower reserved only for nerdy teenagers who read comics and can’t get girl friends.

      • GreenWin

        Hey, the cast of “Big Bang Theory” has boy/girlfriends. Geeks are not bad people. They’re just not well socialized. Or fun, mostly.

        • bachcole

          I didn’t say that they were bad. I said that they were able to look into Mills’ 10,000 suns machine and not be blinded.

  • deleo77

    Perhaps it is good to put a post here from James Bowery on Vortex. I too think it means something for a Professor at U of Illinois to say he has independently replicated much of BLP’s work in his own lab. Professors at Rowan University claim to have independently replicated as well:

    From James Bowery on Vortex today:

    “OK was I was able to adopt an unreasonably open posture toward Mills’s presentation and spend time searching for the calorimetry in the demonstration videos. What I found was intriguing enough to bother to do a
    little more investigation and invest a bit of my personal credibility with a physicist whose time I am hesitant to impose on but who is at least somewhat open to looking at alternatives to “accepted” theory.
    Two outcomes:

    1) After a quick reading of key points of particular interest to him the physicist is convinced Mills’s theory is worthy of further consideration.

    2) In part 2 of the July 21st demo, very near the end, is a report from a professor at the University of Illinois that claims to have reproduced Mills’s heat phenomenon with rigorous calorimetry. I went to the
    University of Illinois and have colleagues there that are skeptical of George Miley’s work there. My impression of the of the UofIL is that when a professor of engineering there says something in his field of expertise,it is it is unwise to discount it before giving it serious consideration.

    I find this somewhat disconcerting because I’ve previously been relatively skeptical toward BLP simply on the basis of its incompetently drafted press
    release prior to its first demo of this year and the seeming appeal to 2 “miracles” at once:

    1) The hydrino (the miracle here being that Mills has overturned most of the 20th century’s authorities in physics).

    2) That the hydrino explains the production of nuclear ash (columb masking)of cold fusion experiments while at the same time providing substantial energy (if not most of its energy) from hydrino chemistry.”

  • GreenWin

    Hey, the cast of “Big Bang Theory” has boy/girlfriends. Geeks are not bad people. They’re just not well socialized. Or fun, mostly.

  • farhad66

    ARA an international research and engineering company tweet about
    Blacklight Power.

    ”Dr. Glumac, Dr. Ramanujachary and Dr. Joe Renick of ARA have completed independent validations of BLP technology”

    https://twitter.com/ARA_News_Events/status/494127691202060288

    http://www.ara.com/

  • Broncobet

    I don’t care how much heat is there. The more the better.The hard part is making the heat.All the heat of rocket engines are dispersed ,heat exchangers are better by the day.The printed circuit board is the newest version.

  • deleo77
  • deleo77
    • bachcole

      OK, with those university confirmations, I will admit the probability (56% for me) that Mills has something. But with regard to engineering a product, he has a long ways to go.

  • GreenWin

    Check “Always Open” thread for a synopsis of the two new independent validations of BLP hydrino and water-based solid fuel.

    • GreenWin

      “The heat release is explained by Mills’ Classical Physics theory and provides substantial evidence that the hydrogen to hydrino transition predicted by the theory is being observed in this experiment. Given the immensity of the implications of Classical Physics theory on current atomic physics and the possibility of a new energy source further exploration is indeed warranted.”

      “Fasten your seat belts. It’s going to be a bumpy night.” Bette Davis, All About Eve

  • GreenWin

    Check “Always Open” thread for a synopsis of the two new independent validations of BLP hydrino and water-based solid fuel.

    • GreenWin

      “The heat release is explained by Mills’ Classical Physics theory and provides substantial evidence that the hydrogen to hydrino transition predicted by the theory is being observed in this experiment. Given the immensity of the implications of Classical Physics theory on current atomic physics and the possibility of a new energy source further exploration is indeed warranted.”

      “Fasten your seat belts. It’s going to be a bumpy night.” Bette Davis, All About Eve

  • bachcole

    Glumac, Nick G
    2:05 PM

    To: Roger B

    Yes, what BLP says about me is correct.

    -NG

    From: Roger B [rogerbird2@hotmail.com]

    Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:03 PM

    To: XXXXXXXXX

    Subject: BlackLight Power

    Dear Dr. Glumac,

    Are you the Dr. Nick Glumac who performed the differential scanning
    calorimetry to validate Randall Mills’ Solid Fuel CIHT reactions —
    which drive the BlackLight Power SunCell.

    Fear not. I am not a skeptopath. I merely wish to confirm what
    BlackLight Power has claimed. Hundreds of people at
    http://www.e-catworld.com are interested in the answer to my question.

    Sincerely,

    Roger Bird

    Colorado Springs

    • optiongeek

      Thanks for posting this, I sent a similar email to Prof. Glumac yesterday and received a similar answer. However, I suggest you consider removing or obscuring the email address from this public post. It can be easily found.

  • optiongeek

    Thanks for posting this, I sent a similar email to Prof. Glumac yesterday and received a similar answer. However, I suggest you consider removing or obscuring the email address from this public post. It can be easily found.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    Sterling Allan have made a new interview with Mills,

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/radio-interview/

    What I find interesting in this is that he describes the light that comes out of the blast. Normally in a blast you can find spectral lines, not in this blast and that is recognized as truly amazing, and as I understand that is the view of the validators as well.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    Sterling Allan have made a new interview with Mills,

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/radio-interview/

    What I find interesting in this is that he describes the light that comes out of the blast. Normally in a blast you can find spectral lines, not in this blast and that is recognized as truly amazing, and as I understand that is the view of the validators as well.

  • Kwhilborn

    Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. I find the idea of a Hydrino as exciting as the device itself (not really, device would be way more awesome). I am however very pleased with this.

    So the cosmos is supporting the Hydrino theory. I just wish I could discuss this in discussion groups without being ridiculed.

    This does help though.

  • Er… Nope

    Perhaps somebody could explain an aspect of the “SunCell” that I am struggling with. (Actually there are several, but this is just one.) According to the specs on their PDF here: http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/072114Demonstration-Abbreviated.pdf the 10MW unit requires a solid fuel mass flow of five kilograms per second. How is this achieved? Assuming the “fuel” is not consumed (it is only the water that is consumed, right?) then how is the fuel regenerated? How quickly is this achieved? What sort of fuel mass is required to maintain a 5kg per second flow, and where is this stored?

    • tlp

      Only tiny part of that fuel is water, 9 ml/s, according to that spec.

  • Er… Nope

    Perhaps somebody could explain an aspect of the “SunCell” that I am struggling with. (Actually there are several, but this is just one.) According to the specs on their PDF here: http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/072114Demonstration-Abbreviated.pdf the 10MW unit requires a solid fuel mass flow of five kilograms per second. How is this achieved? Assuming the “fuel” is not consumed (it is only the water that is consumed, right?) then how is the fuel regenerated? How quickly is this achieved? What sort of fuel mass is required to maintain a 5kg per second flow, and where is this stored?

    • tlp

      Only tiny part of that fuel is water, 9 ml/s, according to that spec.

      • Er… Nope

        Yes but it still requires 5kg per second of solid fuel according to the specs. That’s 2000 aliquots of 2.5 grams each, every second. How is this achieved?

        • tlp

          Water vapour is added to the used fuel, 9 ml/s

          • Er… Nope

            Yes, I appreciate that. 9ml per sec isn’t a problem. Transporting 5kg per second of solid fuel around the cell is what I am talking about. Forget the water for a moment and focus on the 5kg of fuel per second, being passed through a cell of about one cubic foot. That’s a ton of fuel every three and a bit minutes, recirculated or not!

          • optiongeek

            The latest design involves slapping the fuel as a slurry onto the rotating electrode gears using rotating paddles. As I understand it, the slurry is given enough upwards momentum that the majority of the energetic plasma expansion will occur above the point of ignition. The slurry is then collected using water from strategically placed jets and drained back into a collection trough. Keep in mind that the initial prototype (100kV) will require about 50grams of fuel per second (assuming your calculation is correct).