Rossi Provides More Details About First Commercial E-Cat Plant: Must Produce Steam 24h/day, 350 Days/year

There’s not a huge amount of detail provided here, but it’s always interesting for me to get any information about the first 1 MW plant which we suppose will be put into action, and made public, sometime this year. The following is an exchange between a reader and Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics from yesterday:

DTravchenko
July 29th, 2014 at 2:01 PM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Another question: the 1 MW plant that is going in operation in the factory of a US customer how many hours per year will work?
Warm Regards,
D.T.

Andrea Rossi
July 29th, 2014 at 4:44 PM
DTravchenko:
The plant has to work 24 hours/ day for 350 days/year, producing 1 MWh/h of heat in the form of steam.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

350 days x 24 hours makes for 8400 hours of operation — probably continuous. My guess from the numbers that Rossi provides is the factory where the plant will be instaled might have a scheduled two-week shut-down period for maintenance purposes. I guess there are hundreds or thousands of industrial processes that could require continuous heat in the form of steam, so it’s not possible to guess what kind of production is involved here — but Rossi talks about ‘heat in the form of steam’ here, so it appears that this will be a ‘low temperature’ E-Cat application.

If Industrial Heat can provide heat to these specifications at significant savings for the customer over alternatives, this will be a real landmark achievement in the history of technology. Not only will there be the immediate cost benefit to the customer, but I think more importantly, it will demonstrate the arrival of a previously unknown (and widely regarded as impossible) energy source that is an improvement on anything we have used before, and I would expect that publicly demonstrating it work successfully will get a lot of people interested very quickly.

  • Gerard McEk

    I guess it is not used to heat water to steam, but to overheat steam. Then the Hot-cat can be used and to temperatures above 500 degree C.

  • Gerard McEk

    I guess it is not used to heat water to steam, but to overheat steam. Then the Hot-cat can be used and to temperatures above 500 degree C.

  • In that discussion some observers

    https://twitter.com/prometheus_team/status/494390001401352193

    interpreted the lack of self-sustain as a failure of the report ?
    or is there another quote that let some doubt about the test result ?

    or is there ellucubration on Sylvie Coyaud crackpot, on cobraf, on fusionnefredda?

    strange, because for now the failure of the test breaks all logic.

    • ecatworld

      I can’t see how they come to that conclusion based on Rossi’s response.

      • me neither ?
        My nasty twin same that they are irrational to a level that I cannot imagine, but really he is too nasty. there is limit… they probably have found something , but where ?
        maybe among the Italian discussion with S Coyaud fanclub?

        • Omega Z

          Just for grins: 120’C=248’F –LT E-cat fits the bill very well.

          Canning temperature for acid fruits, tomatoes, pickles, and jellied products in a boiling-water canner. 212°F
          Canning temperatures for low acid vegetables, meat, and poultry in/at 10 pounds pressure canner 240 to 250°F
          It would also be well suited the blanching process for pre-process frozen food.

          There’s at least a half dozen operations like this within 30 miles or so from Raleigh, North Carolina and as you can see, this would be a big benefit in a tough, very competitive business. Heat would be 1 of the single biggest expenses.

          http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2013/12/31/new-buyer-for-allens-could-keep-nc.html

          • Daniel Maris

            Yes, I was going to mention food processing. I think that is a prime candidate – big business, and energy is a key factor in their costs.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Perhaps they know that words will keep no one warm and remain resolute to action.

        • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

          Who is Sylvie Coyaud?
          On a website http://www.piccoloparallelo.net/odissea/Odissea2009/Odissea2009NaturalmenteArte.htm, she is described as a journalist, a translator who “always occupied herself with scientific papers and developing countries”.
          More here http://ocasapiens-dweb.blogautore.repubblica.it/2014/07/15/mezzo-gaudio-2/, and http://www.z3xmi.it/pagina.phtml?_id_articolo=4206-Incontro-con-Sylvie-Coyaud-Ovvero-contro-la-falsa-scienza.html.
          Some websites say that SC “published many volumes with
          scientific characteristics”, some say that she translated many scientific publications, but nowhere is an academic curriculum with any ‘science 101’ course
          mentioned.
          This would mean that SC seems not technically competent to deny or affirm any scientific theory.
          Reading some comments by this journalist, as those of many others, bias against anything that has to do with LENR is so virulent that one wonders whether such bias is genuine.

      • Prometheus have answered, this is just naive interpretation of the non infinite COP.
        many people don’t understand that all energy sources consume some energy to be started and maintained, and simply some recycle some of their produced energy as input to obtaine an infinite COP on the longterm.

        in fact if you admit any machine have a finite life and consume energy at least for starting, no COP is even infinite.

        reoeat after myth :

        BARBECUE IS A MYTH, BECAUSE YOU NEED ENERGY TO START IT.
        FURNACE IS A MYTH, BECAUSE THE PUMP NEED ENERGY TO HEAT THE HOUSE.

        PANIC!

        anyway this is a common misunderstanding. we don’t understand the effort it is to make a power plant self-sustaining. see just for a car ?

    • Who is this guy?

      After reading his next tweet here: https://twitter.com/prometheus_team/status/494391799067463680
      I got the impression that he missed the whole e-cat story.

      Don’t care about him, it’s an idiot.

      • prometheus seems an industrial innovator, and he is open but skeptic…

        tim is a Sylvie Coyaud or a Mirror (Futura science)…
        Mary yugo and many skeptics are at least more competent, even if selectively.

  • In that discussion some observers

    https://twitter.com/prometheus_team/status/494390001401352193

    interpreted the lack of self-sustain as a failure of the report ?
    or is there another quote that let some doubt about the test result ?

    or is there ellucubration on Sylvie Coyaud crackpot, on cobraf, on fusionnefredda?

    strange, because for now the failure of the test breaks all logic.

    • Frank Acland

      I can’t see how they come to that conclusion based on Rossi’s response.

      • me neither ?
        My nasty twin same that they are irrational to a level that I cannot imagine, but really he is too nasty. there is limit… they probably have found something , but where ?
        maybe among the Italian discussion with S Coyaud fanclub?

      • Prometheus have answered, this is just naive interpretation of the non infinite COP.
        many people don’t understand that all energy sources consume some energy to be started and maintained, and simply some recycle some of their produced energy as input to obtaine an infinite COP on the longterm.

        in fact if you admit any machine have a finite life and consume energy at least for starting, no COP is even infinite.

        reoeat after myth :

        BARBECUE IS A MYTH, BECAUSE YOU NEED ENERGY TO START IT.
        FURNACE IS A MYTH, BECAUSE THE PUMP NEED ENERGY TO HEAT THE HOUSE.

        PANIC!

        anyway this is a common misunderstanding. we don’t understand the effort it is to make a power plant self-sustaining. see just for a car ?

        • kemosabe

          alainco> many people don’t understand that all energy sources consume some energy to be started and maintained, and simply some recycle some of their produced energy as input to obtaine an infinite COP on the longterm.

          But other energy *sources* don’t *need* external sources of energy to keep producing energy. That’s why no one ever talks about the COP associated with coal or oil or gas or nuclear or hydro or or biofuels or solar or wind. With renewables, they often talk about EROEI (energy returned on energy invested), but this is in reference to the energy needed to initiate the production of energy (to build a windmill, for example). It is not about the energy needed to sustain the production of energy.

          alainco> in fact if you admit any machine have a finite life and consume energy at least for starting, no COP is even infinite.

          True, but what is the COP for coal? For gas?

          alainco> BARBECUE IS A MYTH, BECAUSE YOU NEED ENERGY TO START IT.

          But not to keep it going. You only need to add fuel.

          alainco> FURNACE IS A MYTH, BECAUSE THE PUMP NEED ENERGY TO HEAT THE HOUSE.

          But not to keep the furnace running. The issue is not whether the ecat can heat a house; it’s whether it can keep going on its own. (Anyway, one could run a heat engine on the heat from the furnace to circulate the air. It’s just more convenient to use the grid. Fireplaces in colonial log cabins did not need external energy sources to heat the house.)

          alainco> anyway this is a common misunderstanding. we don’t understand the effort it is to make a power plant self-sustaining. see just for a car ?

          This is a common rationalization for people who claim new abundant and clean sources of energy. If the ecat reaction were triggered by heat, and it produced more heat than was used to trigger it, then it should sustain itself without external heat, just like ordinary combustion does. The need for external energy to keep an energy source going is a common characteristic of devices that are not actually sources of energy.

          If a power source can’t power itself, there’s something wrong.

    • Who is this guy?

      After reading his next tweet here: https://twitter.com/prometheus_team/status/494391799067463680
      I got the impression that he missed the whole e-cat story.

      Don’t care about him, it’s an idiot. He completely missed that this “later additional heat” is needed for control and stability, and is not as high as the energy getting out of the system.

      The other guy talks about perpetuum mobile, so I think they are far away from credebility.

      • prometheus seems an industrial innovator, and he is open but skeptic…

        tim is a Sylvie Coyaud or a Mirror (Futura science)…
        Mary yugo and many skeptics are at least more competent, even if selectively.

  • wpj

    Sounds to me like a bakery. This requires steam at 180-200 C to make plastic American bread.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Do you loath baked goods so much?
      Donuts, to you, bagels and fat loaves galore! Gluten by the truckload!

  • wpj

    Sounds to me like a bakery. This requires steam at 180-230 C to make plastic American bread.

    • bachcole

      What we lack in taste and nutrition we make up for with speed. (:->)

    • Ophelia Rump

      Do you loath baked goods so much?
      Donuts, to you, bagels and fat loaves galore! Gluten by the truckload!

      • wpj

        No, it’s just that I like a crust on my bread which you can’t get by steam baking. As others have commented, it could well be some other sort of food production which requires high temp steam.

  • HarryD

    The question is steam at what temperature!
    The current specs are very low (120 C and few bar).
    When 313 Celsius and 100 bar become feasable the game is on!!!!
    (with current specs a commercial acceptable ROI is difficult)

    • Mike

      …and even higher temperature and pressure for efficient power production, for example 300 bar and 580 C in Avedøre II power plant i Copenhagen, one of the most advanced power plants in the world. And the plant produces 400+ MW electricity.

      By the way, which company will allow a plant in the production when the performance is not known, ” have to add that the results could be positive, but also negative and
      that the results will be considered positive only after months of
      regular…”?

  • peter gluck

    Unfortunately later Rossi repeats his stereotypy with the results being
    possibly positive or negative- without definitions or measure.
    The results can be considered negative -if improvements are necessary
    what’s natural and vital for any technology all the time.
    The results are clearly negative if COP is less than 1, or the plant is
    a “perpetuum stabile’ the antinomy of perpetuum mobile.
    The results are technologically negative if for electric input and thermal output
    COP<3 because high currency electric energy is normally three times more expenisve than low currency thermal energy..
    But the buyer knows these facts better, for sure.
    peter

    • Omega Z

      I believe Rossi has also stated that the info/results of the test 1Mw E-cat will not be made public until after the TIP2 report is published.

    • Barry8

      I think Rossi was over-enthusiastic in the past, making claims prematurely perhaps. Where now he’s making an effort to be neutral, perhaps under the thumb of IH. He seems to be playing “good COP, bad COP”.

    • US_Citizen71

      Rossi’s NDA with IH likely states something along the lines of ‘he cannot confirm or deny speculation concerning unreleased tests, products or related information’. I think that is the reason for the positive or negative boiler plate. As for the COP he has always said six. That should work out to something like 50-60% savings if the plant was using natural gas. That could fluctuate due to fracking bringing more gas on line. If the plant adds some solar cells on the roof or some windmills next to the parking lot to power the ECats the savings could be upwards of 100%. But they do have to pay for the infrastructure to get there. Several current government programs could easily be used to help pay for it. We will see, exciting if it pans out.

      • peter gluck

        Dear US 71,
        Thanks, very good reasoning, IH is in complete dark as it’s logic and efficient for the stage of work. They don’t make publicity, have no relations with the press, however they let Rossi to do a bit of pseudo-show as long he does not tell
        anything sensitive or important.
        The protective, industrial spies-repelling effect of the Rossi detractors as
        Steve Krivit, Gary Wright, Mary Yugo, Joshua Cude is not more working, IH has to take secrecy seriously. Years ago I have made a SWOT analysis of the first LENR+ technology; if we uptodate it, it will be easy to see what the greatest
        T(h) reat is NOW.
        It is sure IH loves nice curious, empatethic, Ecatphilic people as many of the readers here- but not so much as creating unnecessary problems for themselves

        RO77 )(or 37?) alias peter

  • peter gluck

    Unfortunately later Rossi repeats his stereotypy with the results being
    possibly positive or negative- without definitions or measure.
    The results can be considered negative -if improvements are necessary
    what’s natural and vital for any technology all the time.
    The results are clearly negative if COP is less than 1, or the plant is
    a “perpetuum stabile’ the antinomy of perpetuum mobile.
    The results are technologically negative if for electric input and thermal output
    COP<3 because high currency electric energy is normally three times more expenisve than low currency thermal energy..
    But the buyer knows these facts better, for sure.
    peter

    • Omega Z

      I believe Rossi has also stated that the info/results of the test 1Mw E-cat will not be made public until after the TIP2 report is published.

    • I think Rossi was over-enthusiastic in the past, making claims prematurely perhaps. Where now he’s making an effort to be neutral, perhaps under the thumb of IH. He seems to be playing “good COP, bad COP”.

    • US_Citizen71

      Rossi’s NDA with IH likely states something along the lines of ‘he cannot confirm or deny speculation concerning unreleased tests, products or related information’. I think that is the reason for the positive or negative boiler plate. As for the COP he has always said six. That should work out to something like 50-60% savings if the plant was using natural gas. That could fluctuate due to fracking bringing more gas on line. If the plant adds some solar cells on the roof or some windmills next to the parking lot to power the ECats the savings could be upwards of 100%. But they do have to pay for the infrastructure to get there. Several current government programs could easily be used to help pay for it. We will see, exciting if it pans out.

      • peter gluck

        Dear US 71,
        Thanks, very good reasoning, IH is in complete dark as it’s logic and efficient for the stage of work. They don’t make publicity, have no relations with the press, however they let Rossi to do a bit of pseudo-show as long he does not tell
        anything sensitive or important.
        The protective, industrial spies-repelling effect of the Rossi detractors as
        Steve Krivit, Gary Wright, Mary Yugo, Joshua Cude is not more working, IH has to take secrecy seriously. Years ago I have made a SWOT analysis of the first LENR+ technology; if we uptodate it, it will be easy to see what the greatest
        T(h) reat is NOW.
        It is sure IH loves nice curious, empatethic, Ecatphilic people as many of the readers here- but not so much as creating unnecessary problems for themselves

        RO77 )(or 37?) alias peter

  • artefact

    From JONP:
    “Andrea Rossi
    July 30th, 2014 at 8:16 AM

    George M::
    The 1 MW plant is not a demo, is a plant in operation to work for a Customer. It is a factory, not a show room !
    Visits will be allowed when the Customer will allow them, maybe within the year. This plant will make history, if the results will be positive, and every step has to be calculated with precision.
    I have to add that the results could be positive, but also negative and that the results will be considered positive only after months of regular and reliable operation.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    • Daniel Maris

      Great news. If it was just AR saying this, that would be one thing but it is encouraging to know he says this in the context of being an officer of a company involving responsible investors like Darden and Vaughan.

  • artefact

    From JONP:
    “Andrea Rossi
    July 30th, 2014 at 8:16 AM

    George M::
    The 1 MW plant is not a demo, is a plant in operation to work for a Customer. It is a factory, not a show room !
    Visits will be allowed when the Customer will allow them, maybe within the year. This plant will make history, if the results will be positive, and every step has to be calculated with precision.
    I have to add that the results could be positive, but also negative and that the results will be considered positive only after months of regular and reliable operation.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

  • Omega Z

    Just for grins: 120’C=248’F –LT E-cat fits the bill very well.

    Canning temperature for acid fruits, tomatoes, pickles, and jellied products in a boiling-water canner. 212°F
    Canning temperatures for low acid vegetables, meat, and poultry in/at 10 pounds pressure canner 240 to 250°F
    It would also be well suited the blanching process for pre-process frozen food.

    There’s at least a half dozen operations like this within 30 miles or so from Raleigh, North Carolina and as you can see, this would be a big benefit in a tough, very competitive business. Heat would be 1 of the single biggest expenses.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2013/12/31/new-buyer-for-allens-could-keep-nc.html

  • Colibric41AC

    We need ecat now, war in ukraine and palestine for gas and shale.
    winter is coming.

    • kasom

      Tom Darden should know that, but ….

      • Ophelia Rump

        Perhaps they know that words will keep no one warm and remain resolute to action.

    • kasom

      and what worries me most, is that IH apparently even refuses an announcement to put a signal for the sake of all

    • MMK

      The wars reveal that humans are intrinsically evil when come to scarcity

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        The one solution for all conflicts would be to allow children to receive an education. Education, not indoctrination. War can only fuel hatred, fanaticism and wilful ignorance.

        • georgehants

          Remove capitalism and the rich and powerful and teach children to care for others and most problems would start to improve.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            The third option is easier than the first two, IMO…. Though, yes, I agree, utopia in practice.
            Children become grown-ups with opinions in 5-10 years. They are a long term investment on society.

          • bachcole

            And risk taking, initiative, and vision will not get paid. You have completely removed the incentive for risk taking, initiative, and vision. So, my poor wife who works 60 hours a week should just have her hours cut back so that she won’t get ahead and invest money for her dream car and her retirement.

            I do like the part about “teach children to care for others”.

  • Brad Arnold

    I am sincerely interested in hooking up the 1 MW E-Cat that produces steam to a turbine, and judge the cost per Kilowatt of electricity that would produce. I heard that the average cost for electricity in America just raised to 14.3 cents. I also heard a solar contract signed by the city of Austin, TX was for 5 cents. Might I add that I live in Minnesota, USA, which has the lowest solar index in the nation.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/average-price-electricity-climbs-all-time-record

    • Ophelia Rump

      A number of US states require by law that electric companies buy back power from customers at near market value. You simply run the meter backward.

      • peter gluck

        To Ophelia Rump personal

        Dear Ophelia,

        my friend has started composing the :”nanoplasmonery” paper for yu and other colleagues interested in the subject.it will be a guest-editorial on Ego Out
        In case you want to collaborate in editing it, make it more accessible- please write me at peter.gluck@gmail.com. Nothing about you will be revealed.
        i consider this action very important and timely.

        Fatherly greetings

        Peter

      • RGlenCheek

        Not so simple, you have to get a power company to give you access to their power lines, with special hookup machines that adjust your current to the standard for the grid and that will automatically turn off if the rest of the grid is turned off, for apparent reasons. I was looking to start a turn key solar power plant but no one would let me on their grid, no matter what the testing or performance of the solar plant.
        Only the Big Boys can play the power generation game, and it is, like most things, a small club that the public is not invited to join.

        • bachcole

          RGlenCheek, when Ophelia Rump says that a number of states require by law that electric companies buy back power from customers, she means that the power companies MUST help the customer with the connections. That is the way that it is. Your comments about the power company Big Boys should be directed at the Big Boys in the state house.

    • pelgrim108

      How much of the 14.3 cents is caused by quantitative easing inflation?
      Quantitative easing inflation has some lag time as the Big Banksters get to spend the money first before it works it way down the economy.

  • Ophelia Rump

    If the E-Cat were used only for commercial ovens, the impact on feeding humanity would be stupendous.

  • Ophelia Rump

    If the E-Cat were used only for commercial ovens, the impact on feeding humanity would be stupendous.

    Just think of all the Bao and Steamed Dumplings to feed China!
    I can almost taste the future. Oh what Dim Sum lies over the horizon.
    I seem to have forgotten to eat.

    • MMK

      Salivating…

  • Ophelia Rump

    A number of US states require by law that electric companies buy back power from customers at near market value. You simply run the meter backward.

    • peter gluck

      To Ophelia Rump personal

      Dear Ophelia,

      my friend has started composing the :”nanoplasmonery” paper for yu and other colleagues interested in the subject.it will be a guest-editorial on Ego Out
      In case you want to collaborate in editing it, make it more accessible- please write me at peter.gluck@gmail.com. Nothing about you will be revealed.
      i consider this action very important and timely.

      Fatherly greetings

      Peter

    • RGlenCheek

      Not so simple, you have to get a power company to give you access to their power lines, with special hookup machines that adjust your current to the standard for the grid and that will automatically turn off if the rest of the grid is turned off, for apparent reasons. I was looking to start a turn key solar power plant but no one would let me on their grid, no matter what the testing or performance of the solar plant.
      Only the Big Boys can play the power generation game, and it is, like most things, a small club that the public is not invited to join.

  • Sandy

    Procter and Gamble has a chemical plant in California that operates continuously for 350 days each year and then shuts down for 2 weeks of “annual maintenance”.

  • GreenWin

    @GeorgeH,

    I think you’ll find these comments on “How Science Can Lose its Way” by Mel Acheson interesting. He comments on the dangers of “consensus” science, and how strict laws and theories produce the illusion of perfect vision. Start around 8:50 if you want the best material. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE09IwQUV2k

    • Ophelia Rump

      I think you have to face the facts, in all of physics there are only a dozen or so important questions left, and then the field will be exhausted, burned out forever, kaput!

      Just kidding. There seem to be many in who have this as a default setting, I doubt they are even aware of their own lack of scope.

      • Fortyniner

        “There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement.” ~ William Thomson (Lord Kelvin), 1900.

  • GreenWin

    @GeorgeH,

    I think you’ll find these comments on “How Science Can Lose its Way” by Mel Acheson interesting. He comments on the dangers of “consensus” science, and how strict laws and theories produce the illusion of perfect vision. Start around 8:50 if you want the best material. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE09IwQUV2k

    • Ophelia Rump

      I think you have to face the facts, in all of physics there are only a dozen or so important questions left, and then the field will be exhausted, burned out forever, kaput!

      Just kidding. There seem to be many in who have this as a default setting, I doubt they are even aware of their own lack of scope.

      • “There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement.” ~ William Thomson (Lord Kelvin), 1900.

      • John De Herrera

        “”There is nothing new to be discovered in physics” & “face the facts, in all of physics there are only a dozen or so important questions left.”

        SO WRONG! Even with CF/LENR, there is so much to explore: variations of the metal/hydrogen reactions, transmutations, neutralizing reactive waste, production of electricity, applications of the new science and technologies, etc., There is something amazing about chemical/nuclear reactions within a metal! These will change our world as we know it today. You can bet the farm on this. jeh.

  • Chris Marshalk

    I’ll be happy for the plant to work 24 hours a day for 180 days a year. It’s start of AUGUST 2014, i’m still sitting & waiting for something concrete that will rock this world with an announcement.

  • Chris Marshalk

    I’ll be happy for the plant to work 24 hours a day for 180 days a year. It’s start of AUGUST 2014, i’m still sitting & waiting for something concrete that will rock this world with an announcement.

  • Andy Kumar

    What is with 1 MWh/h? Isn’t it simpler to say 1 mW. Some cultural difference?

    • pelgrim108

      1 MWh/h indicates an average energy production over some time.

    • Omega Z

      “1 MWh/h?”
      1 Megawatt hour/heat
      It is an important distinction between heat & electric.

      • pelgrim108

        Andrea Rossi
        July 29th, 2014 at 7:22 AM

        In a nutshell: to install a 1 MW power windmill and to have a wind energy that can yeld an average of 50 kWh/h is like to have a Ferrari with 10 liters ( 2.5 gallons) of gasoline per month.

        Andrea Rossi is using the term here to indicate average energy yield.

      • bachcole

        No. Rossi says N Kilowatt hour/hour all the time. Mathematically it is the same as N Kilowatts, but I think that me means N Kilowatts over a period of time, but he is not talking about power but energy. I think that he is saying hey I can get this much power but I do it for an extended period of time. I encourage responses since I am not positive what he means.

    • Mike

      It is a standard way of expressing power production or demand. I am not sure if it used for production or consumption of thermal energy (heat) as well. It is an average during one hour and power demand is often more fluctuating than thermal energy demand.

  • pelgrim108

    1 MWh/h indicates an average power production over some time.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    The one solution for all conflicts would be to allow children to receive an education. Education, not indoctrination. War can only fuel hatred, fanaticism and wilful ignorance.

    • georgehants

      Remove capitalism and the rich and powerful and teach children to care for others and most problems would start to improve.

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        The third option is easier than the first two, IMO…. Though, yes, I agree, utopia in practice.

  • Omega Z

    “1 MWh/h?”
    1 Megawatt hour/heat
    It is an important distinction between heat & electric.

    • pelgrim108

      Andrea Rossi
      July 29th, 2014 at 7:22 AM

      In a nutshell: to install a 1 MW power windmill and to have a wind energy that can yeld an average of 50 kWh/h is like to have a Ferrari with 10 liters ( 2.5 gallons) of gasoline per month.

      Andrea Rossi is using the term here to indicate average energy yield.

  • pelgrim108

    How much of the 14.3 cents is caused by quantitative easing inflation?
    Quantitative easing has some lag time as the Big Banksters get to spend the money first before it works it way down the economy.