Rossi Confirms IH/Chinese R&D Operation

Earlier this year we reported about Tom Darden’s involvement in the opening of a Nickel-Hydrogen Research Center in the Tianjin Huayuan Industrial Park in Tianjin, China on April 16. We haven’t heard anything about this center since that time, but today Andrea Rossi made a statement which probably refers to this on the Journal of Nuclear Physics saying:

The US team is preparing with Chinese scientists an important R&D operation that will help the industrialization of our devices.

Being the Chief Scientist at Industrial Heat, Rossi will surely be involved in any projects involving R&D, and it’s interesting the decision was made to have a Chinese R&D connection when I would imagine there is plenty of engineering talent in the US, especially within the Research Triangle where Industrial Heat is headquartered.

Probably the Chinese connections have a lot to do with Tom Darden’s contacts and experience working in China — somewhere that Cherokee Investment Partners have done a lot of work. Perhaps, too, there are plans for E-Cat manufacturing operations in China. We have discussed here at length the severe pollution problems in China, and how China could be a natural market for rapid expansion of E-Cat products, especially if the government gets behind the technology.

  • Gerard McEk

    Interesting to know where’s the Interlectual Property Right will be filed China or the US.

    • GreenWin

      Good question. At this point Industrial Heat’s IP is protected in the West by Italian patent and EU/US patent applications in process. But IH and Rossi have for commercial reasons elected to utilize the protections afforded under Trade Secret law, e.g. the U.S. Uniformed Trade Secrets Act. In China Darden et al will have to rely on a more tenuous Anti-Unfair Competition Law. The theft of trade secrets in China is far greater than other countries and there is little recourse as Chinese courts are hazardous at best.

      More likely is for IH to set up a manufacturing center to build E-Cat component parts. These parts may represent 95% of a commercial E-Cat system (e.g. 1-50MW) yet lack the industrial secret. Component parts would be shipped to the U.S. for final assembly and addition of the proprietary catalyst modules. Here is an excellent article on trade secret application in China:
      http://www.chinabusinessreview.com/trade-secret-enforcement-in-china-options-and-obstacles/

      • I think that’s exactly what’s going on: China makes great sense as an inexpensive manufacturing center for a technology that’s going to require millions (billions?) of units.

        I admit though to being confused by the use of the term “R&D.” Does this mean it’s not manufacturing (or just manufacturing) but prototypes for vertical markets (with working reactors) or even basic research on the Rossi Effect? If so, IH should not expect their secret sauce to remain secret for much longer.

        I suppose they might figure that’s inevitable anyway and are trusting in their low cost/saturation strategy.

        • GreenWin

          More than likely the reference is to “manufacturing” R&D. IH may utilize Chinese engineering to build giga-factories able to mass produce E-Cats with efficient robotics and manual labor. Large-scale manufacturing would benefit greatly from this alignment.

          • That’s how I rationalized it too, but I can’t help but wonder if that’s a bad assumption on my part. Maybe IH really is all-in with the Chinese. That scenario would suggest that they have met resistance in America… or possibly that they are playing America and China against each other to optimize their position.

            Or that TPTB in America feel the need is greatest and the resistance least in China and are steering IH in that direction as the easiest path to introducing and spreading the technology.

          • GreenWin

            Considering U.S. Navy’s contributions to LENR, it’s doubtful technology export law would allow IH or any U.S. entity to “give” China their IP. But healthy competition does stir the pot.

          • clovis ray

            correct, there is a lot of country’s that would like to have it, china will have to get in line with everyone else, the U.S. has control, you can believe. it.

          • Heath

            Look, we don’t know truly how far this has spread as far as IH and other nations. We knew about China previously from a leaked Icebank report and now the Rossi comment. This international R&D effort could be far more widespread. I think that the many on this site that are inferring that IH is going with the Chinese because the US is resistant or too slow are misguided. IH said specifically that it wants to use this technology to resolve chronic environmental problems and China is a great place to start as well as in the US (world’s largest polluter).

          • Fortyniner

            Great points GW, LENR G and Heath. I’m been sure for a long time that Chinese mass production capability would become involved in one way or another, but almost certainly without release of essential IP. Their massive automated factories are probably the only facilities on the planet capable of even partially meeting the potential demand for CF devices in less than a generation.

            In addition, even if there is only moderate resistance so far, Chinese involvement would make it clear to any opposition that ‘resistance is futile’. In other words, ‘This train it about to leave the station – with or without you’.

        • clovis ray

          china can reproduce, thing cheap, that’s about all, copy cats, that will copy the cat, then game over, for IH, and A.R.
          The U.S. can produce the same stuff for a comparative price, with the logistics to move it anywhere you want it delivered, china, can’t even deliver to their on people, if it rains for two days in a row the whole country shuts down , can’t drive heavy trucks on muddy roads, with washed out bridges ever three miles

  • Gerard McEk

    Interesting to know where’s the Interlectual Property Right will be filed China or the US.

    • GreenWin

      Good question. At this point Industrial Heat’s IP is protected in the West by Italian patent and EU/US patent applications in process. But IH and Rossi have for commercial reasons elected to utilize the protections afforded under Trade Secret law, e.g. the U.S. Uniformed Trade Secrets Act. In China Darden et al will have to rely on a more tenuous Anti-Unfair Competition Law. The theft of trade secrets in China is far greater than other countries and there is little recourse as Chinese courts are hazardous at best.

      More likely is for IH to set up a manufacturing center to build E-Cat component parts. These parts may represent 95% of a commercial E-Cat system (e.g. 1-50MW) yet lack the industrial secret. Component parts would be shipped to the U.S. for final assembly and addition of the proprietary catalyst modules. Here is an excellent article on trade secret application in China:
      http://www.chinabusinessreview.com/trade-secret-enforcement-in-china-options-and-obstacles/

      • I think that’s exactly what’s going on: China makes great sense as an inexpensive manufacturing center for a technology that’s going to require millions (billions?) of units.

        I admit though to being confused by the use of the term “R&D.” Does this mean it’s not manufacturing (or just manufacturing) but prototypes for vertical markets (with working reactors) or even basic research on the Rossi Effect? If so, IH should not expect their secret sauce to remain secret for much longer.

        I suppose they might figure that’s inevitable anyway and are trusting in their low cost/saturation strategy.

        • GreenWin

          More than likely the reference is to “manufacturing” R&D. IH may utilize Chinese engineering to build giga-factories able to mass produce E-Cats with efficient robotics and manual labor. Large-scale manufacturing would benefit greatly from this alignment.

          • That’s how I rationalized it too, but I can’t help but wonder if that’s a bad assumption on my part. Maybe IH really is all-in with the Chinese. That scenario would suggest that they have met resistance in America… or possibly that they are playing America and China against each other to optimize their position.

            Or that TPTB in America feel the need is greatest and the resistance least in China and are steering IH in that direction as the easiest path to introducing and spreading the technology.

          • GreenWin

            Considering U.S. Navy’s contributions to LENR, it’s doubtful technology export law would allow IH or any U.S. entity to “give” China their IP. But healthy competition does stir the pot.

          • clovis ray

            correct, there is a lot of country’s that would like to have it, china will have to get in line with everyone else, the U.S. has control, you can believe. it.

          • Broncobet

            If they are setting up operations in China it’s too late for the Navy to do anything, maybe they invested once but are no longer interested. The point is “What is in the best interest of the United States?” It is not contrary to our interests to have LENR developed in China,their coal plants are the main emitter of radiation also mercury,arsenic and sulpheric acid,they are poisoning the ocean which is far worse for all humans health than all nuclear accidents (as I stated they emit more radiation than nuclear plants) to say nothing of CO2. We’ll see their level of interest going forward, maybe they can make improvements in it.

          • Heath

            Look, we don’t know truly how far this has spread as far as IH and other nations. We knew about China previously from a leaked Icebank report and now the Rossi comment. This international R&D effort could be far more widespread. I think that the many on this site that are inferring that IH is going with the Chinese because the US is resistant or too slow are misguided. IH said specifically that it wants to use this technology to resolve chronic environmental problems and China is a great place to start as well as in the US (world’s largest polluter).

          • Great points GW, LENR G and Heath. I’m been sure for a long time that Chinese mass production capability would become involved in one way or another, but almost certainly without release of essential IP. Their massive automated factories are probably the only facilities on the planet capable of even partially meeting the potential demand for CF devices in less than a generation.

            In addition, even if there is only moderate resistance so far, Chinese involvement would make it clear to any opposition that ‘resistance is futile’. In other words, ‘This train it about to leave the station – with or without you’.

          • Jouni Tuomela

            Chinese people are smart, and can think without prejudice.
            If something is as big a thing as Rossi’s device and findings, they just have to research it. So should all others also, but something is on the way of majority’s straight thinking.
            We are in the situation, where serious research on the effect should be done, and big expectations should be on the thoughts of everymen also.
            But no, something distorts the news. The previous tests have proved that something is happening, and now all should be interested in it. No-one but we few are, and only MFMP is doing open research. Strange. Luckily we have wise Chinese people.

          • clovis ray

            no one know how to build, e-cat reactors, and no one will, if IH has anything to do with it,

          • Broncobet

            I agree that the Chinese direction in energy is a good one,they build windmills ,solar panels, every type of nuclear plants including advanced nuclear,gas,and most importantly coal but don’t say without prejudice, although you are correct ,they are not prejudiced to method as LENR but the US is even better as here is where it’s being developed. My point being that racially they are the most prejudiced people on the planet. They call themselves the Han,anyone who lives in China who is not a Han is harshly treated and all are kept by the outside boundries. They are like the Borg in Startrek, a collective. They have invested a million times more in advanced nuclear than LENR but at least they have an open mind.

          • Once a thing is known to be possible, replication is inevitable no matter how carefully the IP is guarded. IH and associates will have a limited window in which to make hay as the sole provider, before they begin to have to spend prodigiously on legal costs, in order to try to shut down competing CF reactor designs. Given the amount of information and theory now relating to CF, and the high probability that other parties may already have viable LENR systems, that window could be quite small.

            I believe there will then probably be a period of corporate monopoly during which CF technology variants spread to other large multinational companies, and after that, cold fusion will gradually become just another field of engineering and marketing shared by many smaller players.

            Unfortunately for all of us, phases one and two could last for decades, if the cartel monopoly becomes protected by a wall of specious legislation put in place by compromised politicians.

          • GreenWin

            What I find encouraging is the first one or two “former” utility companies adapting to the transition. Recent example of NRG and Vermont’s biggest utility, Green Mountain partnering on a variety of renewable products and services. This includes the Beacon 10 which we speculate to be a prime candidate for an E-Cat module.

            The cartel monopoly only works with centralized, big hardware generation. E-Cat is implicitly simple. Only the catalyst may require a ultra-high tech process which will be the domain of nano-materials specialists. IH can freely sell non-exclusive licenses to OEMs around the world, using an “E-Cat Inside” type co-branding scheme. Point is, once the public fully groks the meaning of this invention, specious legislation should be tantamount to “Football Permit” legislation — worthy of armed revolt.

          • As you say GW, from many indications it looks like the cartel people have already begun to move into distributed power and cogeneration, just as they have already moved into ‘renewables’ in order to suck up the huge subsidies that were on offer. Potentially ‘stranded’ assets will increasingly be dumped, or rather, may be hived off to the unwary (or uninformed) wherever possible.

            That would apply to nuclear generation in particular, and there is a certain irony in the fact that it is increasingly looking as if the Chinese have been selected as the ‘marks’ in this case, at least in the UK. As European consortia begin to shrink away from these massive investments (and potential financial black holes), and moves by the EU to force Cameron to slash the huge taxpayer-funded back door ‘incentives’ on offer are proceeding nicely, the Chinese state nuclear companies are increasingly being invited to take up the slack.

            If as seems likely, the reality of cold fusion becomes widely accepted before the end of the year, a lot of people in the nuclear game are going to be left holding some very, very expensive babies.

          • GreenWin

            Hadn’t heard of the EU pressure on Cameron. Good. Perhaps posting a large sign at the entrance to Hinkley Point — 欣克利核电站 would help. Yes, expensive nuclear babies bereft of a nuclear family. Not to mention the landscape littered with rusted out windmills… Our feathered friends will rejoice while wind investors weep. http://bit.ly/1w2XwT4

          • The Hinkley deal as a whole is apparently being investigated under ‘state aid’ rules, by a commission that has the power to rule it illegal as it stands:

            http://www.spinwatch.org/index.php/issues/climate/item/5681-european-commission-just-say-no-to-uk-nuclear-subsidy-plan

            Some preliminary comments indicate that they don’t particularly like the smell of the deal that Cameron stitched up with EDF. You might also find this related essay of interest – presumably the same hidden motivation will apply wherever there is otherwise inexplicable enthusiasm by politicians for ‘new nuclear’ – as if Fukushima had never happened:

            http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_and_comments/commentators/2530828/bombs_ahoy_why_the_uk_is_desperate_for_nuclear_power.html

            I think the sign at Hinkley Point should probably read, 卡梅隆的白象 (isn’t Google translate great!). Unlike many, I rather like the wind turbines, even if they are a complete waste of metal and glass fibre. For me they are fascinating and graceful moving sculptures. I hope a few are preserved as lasting monuments to political imbecility.

          • Broncobet

            I doubt it.

          • Broncobet

            That is unlikely.

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          • Broncobet

            “Once a thing is known to be possible” It is certain that LENR is not known to be possible to all but a tiny possible few.

          • TomR

            I think if there would be no resistance in the US we would already be heating our homes with E-Cats.

          • bachcole

            TomR, I believe that most of what we have seen is a neutral apathy based upon disbelieve. I don’t oppose the research of UFOs. I couldn’t care less about UFOs. But I am not resisting it. I haven’t called my congressman and told him to not fund it. But he hasn’t gotten a call from me asking him to fund it either. There may have been some active opposition, especially from maryyugo-retards, but probably most people haven’t even heard about it.

          • Broncobet

            Why?

          • Broncobet

            World’s largest polluter is China.

        • clovis ray

          china can reproduce, thing cheap, that’s about all, copy cats, that will copy the cat, then game over, for IH, and A.R.
          The U.S. can produce the same stuff for a comparative price, with the logistics to move it anywhere you want it delivered, china, can’t even deliver to their on people, if it rains for two days in a row the whole country shuts down , can’t drive heavy trucks on muddy roads, with washed out bridges ever three miles

    • clovis ray

      lol

  • It’s nice to hear that china has now also the knowledge to do this. Also if the western bureaucracy will stop LENR if it’s proven, the chines will not stop using it at least for their huge industry.

  • China = faster development and deployment.

    • John Littlemist

      China = urgent need to replace polluting coal plants = no lobby against LENR

      • bachcole

        Vested interests are never going to be too keen on change.

        • Omega Z

          Not Even in China.

          • bachcole

            I don’t see much of a vested interest in China. Even the rich people are choking to death.

          • clovis ray

            one word, greed

          • Broncobet

            China is mostly vested interests,but so far the American educated top party officials have done a pretty good job of trumping and crushing vested interests or the opposition and benefiting the nation as a whole. The rich have aircleaners in their sealed homes. The start of airpollution was London when the coal smoke and fog combined for smog,we’ve cleaned up they will too.Wouldn’t you rather have a nuclear plant making smoke free power rather than coal if you were in a Chinese city? With their help perhaps LENR will play a part as well.

  • bachcole

    Given that the Chinese hierarchy has already given up on the ideology of Communism, it would be natural for them to easily give up on the ideology of the dominant physics paradigm.

    Since article, Frank.

    • Fortyniner

      I suppose that a greater focus on the good of (Chinese) society – rather than the good of the individual – may make it easier to let go of old paradigms, if there is even a chance of group benefit.

      • clovis ray

        Don’t hold your breath, seeing is believing.

      • Broncobet

        If that were true ,it isn’t , then why are all the displaced Japanese so eager to return to their homes?

    • clovis ray

      oh yea, the Chinese have given up on communism, that a laugh. got a link to that statment.

      • bachcole

        They coddle private businesses and private businessmen. That does not mean that they aren’t still totalitarian and oppressive.

  • bachcole

    Given that the Chinese hierarchy has already given up on the ideology of Communism, it would be natural for them to easily give up on the ideology of the dominant physics paradigm.

    Since article, Frank.

    • I suppose that a greater focus on the good of (Chinese) society – rather than the good of the individual – may make it easier to let go of old paradigms, especially if there is even a reasonable chance of group benefit.

      • bachcole

        Also, I was thinking that Chinese science is sort of in resurgence since the social disaster of the Red Guards and the pathetic Leap Forward. There is not so much an elitist, hide-bound group that is in control. And scientists would have learned the lessons of freedom and tolerance from the Great Leap Forward better than most people, being smarter and being the victims of that group rage.

      • clovis ray

        Don’t hold your breath, seeing is believing.

    • clovis ray

      oh yea, the Chinese have given up on communism, that a laugh. got a link to that statment.

      • bachcole

        They coddle private businesses and private businessmen. That does not mean that they aren’t still totalitarian and oppressive.

  • pelgrim108

    Here is an old article from januari 2014 http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/print-edition/2014/01/10/is-cherokee-plugging-into-chinas.html

    “…Darden says none of the entities referenced in the E-Cat World blogs
    have invested in Industrial Heat. “Nor does Industrial Heat have any
    Chinese investors,” he says….”

    • Fortyniner

      Thanks – an interesting reminder. If the second part of the statement can’t be relied on, then it may be time to revisit some earlier guesses made on this blog …

    • Omega Z

      That was a preliminary engagement. There was another meeting after that around March I think.

      Note: No Chinese investors. Again preliminary at that date.
      Note #2 Likely Chinese Americans, So no Chinese investors would still hold true.
      Many Chinese American Business people due much of their business in China. It’s partly a Tax thing & many have family ties of which they help financially directly or with jobs.

      Similar to Cuban Ex-patriots sent $3 Billion to family in Cuba last year. And the list goes on & on… $30 Billion went south of the U.S border last year. No wonder the U.S. is short on cash. It’s all being exported. This is all sanctioned by the U.S. Government!!!

  • pelgrim108

    Here is an old article from januari 2014 http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/print-edition/2014/01/10/is-cherokee-plugging-into-chinas.html

    “…Darden says none of the entities referenced in the E-Cat World blogs
    have invested in Industrial Heat. “Nor does Industrial Heat have any
    Chinese investors,” he says….”

    • Thanks – an interesting reminder. If the second part of the statement can’t be relied on, then it may be time to revisit some earlier guesses made on this blog …

      • Mark

        It seems to be the other way around. China has not invested in Industrial Heat – Industrial Heat has invested in China. At least, that’s what’s going on if I’m getting the right impression…

    • Omega Z

      That was a preliminary engagement. There was another meeting after that around March I think.

      Note: No Chinese investors. Again preliminary at that date.
      Note #2 Likely Chinese Americans, So no Chinese investors would still hold true.
      Many Chinese American Business people due much of their business in China. It’s partly a Tax thing & many have family ties of which they help financially directly or with jobs.

      Similar to Cuban Ex-patriots sent $3 Billion to family in Cuba last year. And the list goes on & on… $30 Billion went south of the U.S border last year. No wonder the U.S. is short on cash. It’s all being exported. This is all sanctioned by the U.S. Government!!!

      • Broncobet

        It is estimated that Mexicans sent $22 billion last year from the US to Mexico, I don’t see that as a problem, have you ever been there? Growing up we used to drive down from Texas every other year, they have gone through changes some good some bad but most important they are a neighbor and a pretty good one at that(yeah ,we only have two and Canada’s better) a lot of the problems are caused by the US. Our economy is measured in trillions.Americans and other foriegners retire there.

        • Broncobet

          I will add that Mexico is opening up their energy industry to foreign firms, this will increase their income from oil and gas tremendously and they are promoting wind and solar as well.

          • Omega Z

            Bronco
            The “short on cash” wasn’t serious comment. Anyway, the numbers I’ve seen said $30 Billion, but that’s neither here nor there. The U.S. Government sends another $50 billion south thru various programs.

            Note by southern border, I include everything south to the tip of South America due to the porosity of all the borders. Those crossing the border aren’t just Mexican. It even includes a fair number of Asians. Everything else is MSM B.S.

            I am aware of the Mexican Oil situation. It’s in decline & most think it will be 10+ years before a turn around. The Hardware & people with the expertize are limited & it will be quite a while before it’s available to help expand Mexico’s oil fields.
            In Fact, They want the Keystone Pipeline completed & export rules relaxed so that they can keep their refineries going processing that crude oil until that happens.

            As to the immigration situation. Studies state that when the U.S hits a population of 350 Million, Standards of living will decline due to a lack of resources. We’ll be in China’s situation looking to buy up resources in other countries to make ends meet or maintain our standards.

            Sadly, There were those in the 60’s who seen this coming. They had a plan. Create an economic zone in part of Mexico. Raise the standard of living & repeat. Over 40 years or so you work your way all they way to the tip of South America. Each country would in turn help to continue the process. A Co-Op. They actually did get a couple zones designated but the plan was highjacked & used only to generate larger profits. Note the Plan allowed for additional profit as incentive to get Corporate America behind it, They just didn’t have penalties in place to make sure a portion of those profits filtered down to raise their standard of living. As in higher incomes.

            Corporations have a problem seeing beyond the next Quarters profits. Imagine the profits had they created a larger market among these countries had they accepted less profit in the short term.

            As to the U.S. Problems being of their own making. I Agree. To many politicians kick the can down the road. A Minor issue today becomes very painful down the road. And the payments are about to come due…

          • Broncobet

            The Keystone pipeline should have been approved years ago,I can’t believe Obama is hurting his friends in the labor unions and he’s really hurting the environment as piplelines emit less carbon.You complain about nuclear power the safest and cleanest power producer by far in the US 34 people in Quebec city were burned to death by oil on a train but the leftist make no mention of that, hypocrits. Mexico might want some of the oil from Keystone but we are first in line as our refiners in Texas don’t have enough of the heavy grades they used to get from the marxist Venezuela.

  • Obvious, but worth explaining to outside readers: Industrial Heat moving ahead with joint E-Cat efforts with the Chinese is another almost inarguable piece of evidence that the E-Cat works as advertised.

    Industrial Heat being either complicit in a hoax or so dense that they and their teams of engineers have been fooled somehow for over a year despite daily testing of many reactors and intensive R&D are ideas worthy of ridicule.

    Of course we don’t have confirmation of this latest assertion by Rossi yet, but he hasn’t lied about these kinds of things in the past and it fits with information Industrial Heat has already officially released (and could easily refute if Rossi were wandering off the farm).

    • Heath

      Great point.

    • Fortyniner

      I’m reasonably sure from a digest of the evidence that we are some way past any consideration of a scam/hoax. The open questions relate to the performance of current e-cat prototypes, who the players are, and what their ‘launch’ strategy might look like.

      It seems we now have another small clue relating the second item above.

  • Obvious, but worth explaining to outside readers: Industrial Heat moving ahead with joint E-Cat efforts with the Chinese is another almost inarguable piece of evidence that the E-Cat works as advertised.

    Industrial Heat being either complicit in a hoax or so dense that they and their teams of engineers have been fooled somehow for over a year despite daily testing of many reactors and intensive R&D are ideas worthy of ridicule.

    Of course we don’t have confirmation of this latest assertion by Rossi yet, but he hasn’t lied about these kinds of things in the past and it fits with information Industrial Heat has already officially released (and could easily refute if Rossi were wandering off the farm).

    • Heath

      Great point.

    • I’m reasonably sure that, given the weight of the evidence, that we are some way past any consideration of a scam/hoax. The open questions relate to the performance of current e-cat prototypes, who the players are, and what their ‘launch’ strategy might look like.

      It seems we now have another small clue relating the second item above.

    • Broncobet

      We agree.

    • Broncobet

      Right we agree, but that doesn’t mean that all the improvements to the LENR are over,I’m sure they can make it work better.

  • mcloki

    Great shot across the bow to the American investment and scientific community. You’re acting too slow, too close minded, so funding of innovative products are leaving America. If the American Scientific community wants to know about the future they better start reading Chinese.

    • Heath

      Um, we know very little about how much any one has invested in this. You’re reading your bias into this report which is not helpful. Reread IH’s (an American consortium of investorscorporations as far as we know) press release and this China connection will make more sense.

      • clovis ray

        I agree, To turning your ip over to the Chinese , that is stupid, IH is not stupid, you can bet on it.

    • Omega Z

      “start reading Chinese” Why?

      English is a mandatory 2nd language in China.
      Starting at kindergarten level in the cities & 2nd grade level in the rule areas.
      Reasons Why?
      China has over 200 languages with hundreds of different dialects. This situation is not good for a Countries Unity, National Identity or developing a Modern Society. Mandarin is the enforced primary language(With Much Resistance I would Add).

      English as a required 2nd language is considered the International language of business. Resistance to learning English is very low. In fact many take much pride in learning English.

      In Chinese Factories/Business, English is the primary language spoken. You also wont find any 1 using their surnames of Zhang or Chan Etc,,. They use English names such as Bill, George or Cathy Etc. I almost said Sue. 🙂 Reference to a Johnny Cash song..

      Little known Fact. The Chinese people have very high regards for the U.S. They even have many memorials & statues around the country in honor of U.S. military units & personnel with annual recognition of them. The Issues are Political & both sides are to blame.

  • mcloki

    Great shot across the bow to the American investment and scientific community. You’re acting too slow, too close minded, so funding of innovative products are leaving America. If the American Scientific community wants to know about the future they better start reading Chinese.

    • Heath

      Um, we know very little about how much any one has invested in this. You’re reading your bias into this report which is not helpful. Reread IH’s (an American consortium of investorscorporations as far as we know) press release and this China connection will make more sense.

      • clovis ray

        I agree, To turning your ip over to the Chinese , that is stupid, IH is not stupid, you can bet on it.

        • Broncobet

          Right, they’re not stupid and neither was Westinghouse, the stupid ones were western governments especially the US that didn’t use the technology of Westinghouse to build reactors and produce clean power. What was Westinghouse supposed to do. The Chinese appreciated the nuclear technology of Westinghouse and agreed to build at least four plant and then the tech would belong to them for any plant above 1400MWe and they would export it around the world. They have kept their word and now ordered 20 new Westinghouse AP 1000’s. So Westinghouse turned all of their tech and IP to China but it wasn’t stupid. Perhaps this is the route IH will take and China will end up with the patents and industrial knowledge but we won’t call IH stupid. (although we will if the Chinese just steal all the secrets without paying for them). My bet is that it will work for both parties and that improvements need to made to the E-Cats to make them work better, that’s one of the best reasons to go there.

          • Broncobet

            I have to add that the China nuclear board has now certified the Cap 1400 which is the Westinghouse AP1000 reborn as a Chinese reactor with more power,this as per the agreement with Westinghouse they are free to export without any payments to Westinghouse,but first they will build many for their own use.

          • clovis ray

            Come on guy, you are not making good sense to me, have you not been keeping up, nuclear power is over. markets are changing the ones that won’t change will be lost. GE knows they just sold their appliance division, who would of thought it. this thing is bigger than just china, if china plays nice they will get a seat at the table, the controls the worlds currency, when you have the money, and the hammer things tend to go your way, and our way is not the best, but there is non better, believe it.

          • Broncobet

            Thanks for your reply Clovis ,I do enjoy our conversations. Is English your second language? I assume you live in the US,it is a great country and we love it but sometimes we must make our voices heard to avoid the morass of poor choices. Nuclear power is not over, it is by far the most plentiful clean energy and doesn’t have the drawbacks of hydro.GE has a wonderful stock we have owned for generations, them selling their appliance division is very small and has no bearing whatsoever on our discussion of nuclear power, China (see you capitalize proper nouns)is doing better than a seat at the table ,they have the most aggressive nuclear power program on Earth.As far as currency of course US is tops now but we owe trillions to China (they own our bonds).>> and the hammer things tend to go your way, and our way is not the best, but there is non better, believe it<< Slightly convoluted but yes we love our country but we're not perfect, we are investing far too little in nuclear power, existing plants are fine but advanced nuclear is far safer and would consume all the used fuel, which to be clean we must do. IH has a China connection now and their aim may be to improve the device and get ready for mass production.

          • Broncobet

            So with this one order, besides all the other nuclear plants at five billion a piece that’s a hundred billion!!!! For Westinghouse,plus they have their version the CAP1400 they’ll probably build a hundred of those in China and export a thousand.Mind blowing numbers btw Saudi Arabia wants twenty nuclear plants themselves as they produce clean water as well as power.

          • Broncobet

            When doing calculations of who is more powerful do not neglect raw military might which the US has a hundred to one over China…But that will not last, because we have morons who fear nuclear power.

          • clovis ray

            Bronco, I seem to be the only one responding to your comments, so be it, i like you, and think your just misguided, once again, nuclear power is done, stick a fork in it, out, over, and as i see it, good riddance, i may be a moron, sir but one that lives near one of these old radioactive contaminated piles of crap, and it scares the hell out of me going to bed at night not knowing if and when i wake, will i be irradiated, or not, we need to get rid of this dangerous, ungodly, bull sh-t , for the lack of a better word.

          • Broncobet

            Make sure you are like a vampire and don’t go out in the day as there is an enormous nuclear reactor in the sky radiating you. As a president said “The only thing to fear is fear itself” You have no rational reason to fear radiation from any source except the sun, stay in it’s rays too long and you will die. We have lived so long with the radiation of the sun that exposer to this radiation makes us look healthy (as long as not too much).There is radiation from Urainium in the rocks and soil and the ocean, people who get some radiation from the Earth live longer not shorter. You’ne been hanging out with left wing nut jobs too long they dislike anything that makes the US stronger and the environment cleaner.

          • clovis ray

            Well, bronco, i will end our debate, with this reply, go ask anyone, that lived around the Japanese melt down, that is still killing folks as we type, and how many died, and are still dying to this very day from the Russian disaster,—- best laid plans, of mice and men, nuclear plants are a devilish horrific,discovery that needs to be deleted,period . asap

          • Broncobet

            Thanks for your reply as I do like the back and forth. Yes ask the Japanese of course they want to return to their homes, they don’t mind a little radiation would you mind a chest X ray? Many have died from the stress of being deprived of their homes for no other reason than than mindless fear mongering. So not one person died from the Japonese radiation while tens of thousands died from the water but you don’t care about them do you? The fact that so few died at Chernobyl should tell you that radiation is far far far less dangerous than we thought. Millions of people should have died from the Russian bungling but they didn’t, only the brave souls who knew they would die but heroically laid down their lives to save the many. Of course the alternative to nuclear power is more coal burning which is far more radioactive and kills ten million a year, ten thousand in the US, where no one has died from civilian nuclear power.

          • Broncobet

            If that were true ,it isn’t , then why are all the displaced Japanese so eager to return to their homes?

    • Omega Z

      “start reading Chinese” Why?

      English is a mandatory 2nd language in China.
      Starting at kindergarten level in the cities & 2nd grade level in the rule areas.
      Reasons Why?
      China has over 200 languages with hundreds of different dialects. This situation is not good for a Countries Unity, National Identity or developing a Modern Society. Mandarin is the enforced primary language(With Much Resistance I would Add).

      English as a required 2nd language is considered the International language of business. Resistance to learning English is very low. In fact many take much pride in learning English.

      In Chinese Factories/Business, English is the primary language spoken. You also wont find any 1 using their surnames of Zhang or Chan Etc,,. They use English names such as Bill, George or Cathy Etc. I almost said Sue. 🙂 Reference to a Johnny Cash song..

      Little known Fact. The Chinese people have very high regards for the U.S. They even have many memorials & statues around the country in honor of U.S. military units & personnel with annual recognition of them. The Issues are Political & both sides are to blame.

      • bachcole

        Thanks a lot for that comment.

        I would think that the Chinese would risk mass low-national esteem with that policy.

        • Broncobet

          They respect power and they quite rightly think we have the most, if they surpass us, their respect will blow away.

    • Broncobet

      I agree. We don’t want people to take that too literally, although there will be more Chinese speakers everywhere. English is the international language for so much like aircraft control etc. The Chinese can’t understand each other talking(they have a number of dialects Mandrin,Wu,Yue,and Min) but their written language is understood by all.The problem is English has twenty six letters, how many Chinese letters are there? So that English is much more powerful than Chinese. A similar change happened with the math of the Romans They were the most powerful but there math numbers were idiotic. We are all grateful that we use the Arabic system which of course the Arabs got from India. The reason China has advanced so quickly is that those that were the most powerful sent their sons(and daughters) to universities in the US and those people now govern the people and they all learned English. The point is the good direction that Chinese R&D is going in and the very slow pace of American research.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Hello Tsinghua University.
    Goodbye MIT.

    • GreenWin

      Alan, it’s unfortunately true that MIT and it’s co-defendant Cal-Tech have repeatedly shot themselves in the foot re LENR. IMO it all boils down to ego, pride and hubris. And wisdom teaches us that “pride goes before the fall.” Has America’s Ivory tech Tower become a school of Quackademia?

      • Alan DeAngelis
      • Alan DeAngelis

        Publish the E-Cat report in Mad (magazine).
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_%28magazine%29
        Seriously!
        Circulation 175,000-2,100,000
        Go with the flow. The world’s greatest discovery has been portrayed as a joke for a quarter of a century. So, bypass all the snobs and make the announcement
        (a straight as an arrow scientific paper) of the world’s greatest discovery in Mad. Rossi has achieved his goal, a safety certificate. Or was his goal to placate the know-it-alls?

        • HarryD

          One of best suggestions I’ve seen coming by!!
          I gave you a tumb up and hope many do to …

          ……and Frank, please turn this into a poll where people can vote in favour or agains MAD!!!
          I am all pro Rossi and LENR but I really find the whole introduction so clownesk that it aint’ funny anymore.
          Rossi could have their eCat that is aledgedly heating their factory/lab hall’s be a long running demo with fixed regged. and callibrated equipment with by swapping around by equally offered equipment could have delivered years ago the fact that it is working as advertized…. and seriously…. who would have bought a 1 MW plant that costs 1,5 million Euro and only produces only 120 degree C heat and consumes 1/6 th MW electric? Maybe better wait for the next version…… which I guess is coming…. and I guess it’s gonna make the wait worth while

          🙂

          • clovis ray

            Yeh, i know you guys are kidding, right ,harry, there is nothing allegedly, about it. it does creates huge amounts of heat, 120,degree, wrong again.
            I suggest you do a little home work, before making those kind of statments.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Hi Broncobet, perhaps you didn’t see this one (the 2nd paragraph).
            http://e-catsite.com/2012/05/07/mit-physicist-nixes-cold-fusion-funding/

      • bachcole

        “co-defendant”, I like that.

        Part of the “problem” is that almost everyone, including many of us, equate high IQs with paradigm shifting nimbleness. The digital computer was invented at Iowa State University. The light bulb was invented by an elementary school drop-out. The airplane was invented by two bicycle mechanics. We all know that I could go on and on. It is not just that eggheads are bad people or that they have vested interests, which they do.

        Within an accepted paradigm, an egghead can kick a$$ and take names. But ask him to think outside the box, well, that is going to happen about as often as in does in the general population.

        My favorite example is Stephen Hawking. Obviously the man is brilliant. But even his dreadful disease is not enough to motivate him to look outside the paradigm of dependence upon doctors and mainstream medicine. If anyone ever had a reason to look outside of the box, it is Stephen Hawking. I am sure that if this thought were suggested to him the very first words coming out of his mouth would be “There is no proof that alternative medicine is of any value.” or words to that affect.

        • Andy Kumar

          “The digital computer was invented at Iowa State University. The light bulb was invented by an elementary school drop-out. The airplane was invented by two bicycle mechanics.”
          A journalist once asked Feynman if someone like Faraday could operate in today’s physics. Those days of intuitive tinkerers are long gone. You can not navigate the mathematical jungle that modern science has become without extensive training at places like MIT.
          Outsiders and wannabes resent it, but that is the way it is. Blithely mouthing off theories is easier to do than come up with something useful.

          • GreenWin

            Andrew, you must now be working with… (cough) staff writers, as your comment is a hapless and wrinkled provocateur. But it does adequately model the Psych 101 assignment to “Tug on Superman’s cape.”

        • GreenWin

          bachcole, I greatly respect Stephen Hawking because of his fortitude and perseverance. But, as with many theorists he has painted himself into a black corner re black holes and information “leakage.” Specifically Stephan has had to admit that information can leak from an event horizon, which pits GR against quantum “dynamics.” Now the media has to follow its Crisis Field Manual claiming, “Nothing to see here folks, move on!”

          http://www.space.com/24418-stephen-hawking-no-black-holes.html

          • bachcole

            I am ambivalent about Hawking. He was able to admit that he was mistaken about “information” leakage. That take integrity and courage. But he is too much of an egghead to see and do something about the elephant in the room of his life.

      • RogerKnights

        Academia nuts.

        • GreenWin

          LOL!

    • bachcole

      Alan, I was able to log into Disqus when I removed a bunch of cookies from my computer. There was something wrong with my operating system, and would have to remove cookies from the past 1 hour several times a day. I have updated my operating system and so I don’t have to worry about it any more.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Hello Tsinghua University.
    Goodbye MIT.

    • GreenWin

      Alan, it’s unfortunately true that MIT and it’s co-defendant Cal-Tech have repeatedly shot themselves in the foot re LENR. IMO it all boils down to ego, pride and hubris. And wisdom teaches us that “pride goes before the fall.” Has America’s Ivory tech Tower become a school of Quackademia?

      • Alan DeAngelis
        • Broncobet

          Wow! Dr Li is one impressive scientist and very into LENR reactions. You will note he works with Palladium and not Nickel, but these are the sorts of things that make me believe that this could be a great energy source. So with IH working there they will get the equivalent of a young Dr Li working with them and a machine shop and laboratory to quickly test whatever design they come up with. I don’t believe Rossi when he says they don’t need more research and IH probably agrees with me therefore this work in China to make the thing really work well. I think they could make very rapid progress there. Exciting!!

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Publish the E-Cat report in Mad (magazine).
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_%28magazine%29
        Seriously!
        Circulation 175,000-2,100,000
        Go with the flow. The world’s greatest discovery has been portrayed as a joke for a quarter of a century. So, bypass all the snobs and make the announcement
        (a straight as an arrow scientific paper) of the world’s greatest discovery in Mad. Rossi has achieved his goal, a safety certificate. Or was his goal to placate the know-it-alls?

        • HarryD

          One of best suggestions I’ve seen coming by!!
          I gave you a tumb up and hope many do to …

          ……and Frank, please turn this into a poll where people can vote in favour or agains MAD!!!
          I am all pro Rossi and LENR but I really find the whole introduction so clownesk that it aint’ funny anymore.
          Rossi could have their eCat that is aledgedly heating their factory/lab hall’s be a long running demo with fixed regged. and callibrated equipment with by swapping around by equally offered equipment could have delivered years ago the fact that it is working as advertized…. and seriously…. who would have bought a 1 MW plant that costs 1,5 million Euro and only produces only 120 degree C heat and consumes 1/6 th MW electric? Maybe better wait for the next version…… which I guess is coming…. and I guess it’s gonna make the wait worth while

          🙂

          • clovis ray

            Yeh, i know you guys are kidding, right ,harry, there is nothing allegedly, about it. it does creates huge amounts of heat, 120,degree, wrong again.
            I suggest you do a little home work, before making those kind of statments.

          • Broncobet

            I thought it was one mil American but even at 1.5 EU and 1MW consuming 1/6 MWe electric that would still be a good deal depending on other factors such as dependability and lifetime. Remember overseas their heat costs much more because they haven’t fracked correctly. Some of their great companies have already moved here with more on the way.

      • bachcole

        “co-defendant”, I like that.

        Part of the “problem” is that almost everyone, including many of us, equate high IQs with paradigm shifting nimbleness. The digital computer was invented at Iowa State University. The light bulb was invented by an elementary school drop-out. The airplane was invented by two bicycle mechanics. We all know that I could go on and on. It is not just that eggheads are bad people or that they have vested interests, which they do.

        Within an accepted paradigm, an egghead can kick a$$ and take names. But ask him to think outside the box, well, that is going to happen about as often as in does in the general population.

        My favorite example is Stephen Hawking. Obviously the man is brilliant. But even his dreadful disease is not enough to motivate him to look outside the paradigm of dependence upon doctors and mainstream medicine. If anyone ever had a reason to look outside of the box, it is Stephen Hawking. I am sure that if this thought were suggested to him the very first words coming out of his mouth would be “There is no proof that alternative medicine is of any value.” or words to that affect.

        • Andy Kumar

          “The digital computer was invented at Iowa State University. The light bulb was invented by an elementary school drop-out. The airplane was invented by two bicycle mechanics.”
          A journalist once asked Feynman if someone like Faraday could operate in today’s physics. Those days of intuitive tinkerers are long gone. You can not navigate the mathematical jungle that modern science has become without extensive training at places like MIT.
          Outsiders and wannabes resent it, but that is the way it is. Blithely mouthing off theories is easier to do than come up with something useful.

        • GreenWin

          bachcole, I greatly respect Stephen Hawking because of his fortitude and perseverance. But, as with many theorists he has painted himself into a black corner re black holes and information “leakage.” Specifically Stephan has had to admit that information can leak from an event horizon, which pits GR against quantum “dynamics.” Now the media has to follow its Crisis Field Manual claiming, “Nothing to see here folks, move on!”

          http://www.space.com/24418-stephen-hawking-no-black-holes.html

          • bachcole

            I am ambivalent about Hawking. He was able to admit that he was mistaken about “information” leakage. That take integrity and courage. But he is too much of an egghead to see and do something about the elephant in the room of his life.

          • Broncobet

            Like almost everyone else the great physicists do their best work when they’re young. Hawkins works out everything out in his mind which is really stupid from my point of view. Everyone else will jot down notes or write long equations on a whiteboard so they all have the math right and Hawkins hasn’t had his math right in quite a while. He has an assistant,who can understand him perfectly, why doesn’t he have the assistant write the equations down? Of course ,this is all above me, I do appreciate what the great minds do for us.

        • Broncobet

          Steven Jobs was the brilliant co founder of Apple (my brother is a director), he really believed in alternative medicine as did Jim Henson the Muppet creator. Then there’s the still beautiful Jenny McCarthy who thinks vaccines give you autism ,so that she ,with others are putting millions of children at risk. Hawkins has lead a good life with a wife and children, when diagnosed he was told that was impossible. All medicines start out as experimental.

          • bachcole

            “Brilliant” and “believed in alternative medicine” doesn’t mean anything. What counts is thinking for one’s self, having a good foundation with the theory of evolution and traditional cuisines, and looking at the evidence. Jobs became a fruitarian, which is actually less paleo than being a vegan. I know nothing about Henson. People die. What is your point?

            Recently the guy who said that vaccinations did not cause autism has since retracted his story. If there is no connection between putting mercury into babies and them getting mercury poisoning symptom, then I am really confused.

            As long as you continue to genuflect to mainstream medicine, you will never get it.

          • Broncobet

            They both died prematurely because of their misplaced faith in alternative medicine, I thought the inference was clear.

          • bachcole

            But you failed to mention all of the people who died because of a misplaced faith in conventional medicine. And include in your calculation all of the people who would never have come into existence because of a misplaced faith in conventional medicine, like my children who would never have been born because I had the good sense to get a diagnosis from a conventional MD and the good sense to look elsewhere for treatment. That bitch prescribed a radical hysterectomy for my young wife because of endometriosis. And she told my wife that she didn’t have to tell me, her husband, that she would be getting a radical hysterectomy.

            It is not about having faith in alternative medicine. It is about taking responsibility for your own health and having faith in your own thinking, and then putting in the time and effort to find your way to sanity, rather than genuflecting before the medical deity and their drugging, cutting, and irradiating.

            I have decided to call conventional doctors “pharmaceutical doctors”. Notice that I went to a pharmaceutical doctor for a diagnosis. They are pretty good at that. But after going to a homeopath and a practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine, my wife’s endometriosis healed and we had the first of two darling children who I am still very proud of.

            And that is merely a single incidence of gripes that I have with pharmaceutical medicine.

          • Broncobet

            Great story,thanks, pat the kids on the head for me.It is good to question authority in almost every field of endeavor.

          • Broncobet

            Many ailments are cured by the body and the tool s it and the friendly germs have gained through evolution, so some one might think they were cured by alternative medicine when in fact it had nothing at all to do with it. People who don’t have their children vaccinated are the worst sort of criminal ,putting everyone but especially the innocent children at risk because of their dangerous aberrant ideas.

          • bachcole

            Since there are so many opinions and schools of thought in alternative medicine, how could someone have faith in it? I certainly would not have done fruitarian like Jobs. Fruitarianism strikes me as stupid, plus I have not seen any evidence that it is any good. Of course there is silly and even harmful things under the umbrella of alternative medicine. That is the price of freedom. I see drugging, cutting, and irradiating as silly and stupid. But when my son had a broken arm, I took him speeding to the pharmaceutical doctor hospital, without thinking once about any other healing modality.

          • Broncobet

            You are confused all right. I am really happy to hear of your own success with an ailment, so what was it and what did you do to fix it?

          • Broncobet

            “Believed in alternative medicine doesn’t mean anything” Yes if you consider dying a completely unnecessary death nothing, then it doesn’t mean anything. If you consider being alive then it means a great deal and I believe X rays are considered a tool of modern medicine which by the way emits more radiation than a nuclear plant yet we take the risk of the X ray when needed. Bachcole, I’m really glad to hear that you are well ,that is the most important thing.

          • Broncobet

            A man who started a multi billion dollar company in a garage and a design icon according to bachcole doesn’t mean anything. Thanks.

          • bachcole

            So, money is your standard for quality, for it is quality that will heal our health and food system. The same money that can buy eggs for a family can also buy bullets for a mass murderer. Just because Jobs did an amazing job in engineering, management, and marketing does not mean that he can make wise decisions about health. And, obviously he didn’t. In fact, we have hundreds of thousands of scientists and researchers who also aren’t making wise decisions about health. The life expectancy and health of researchers in the pharmaceutical industry is no better than the general population. I have absolutely no more reason to believe these misguided scientists about health than I do to believe those scientists who say that cold fusion is impossible and Rossi is a scam.

            Good health is not so much about intellect as about intuition. My biggest steps forward have all been intuitive. I have the intellect to read a scientific study saying that high cholesterol is associated with heart disease, but it was my intuition to realize that cholesterol goes high because the body is rushing to fix a problem caused by something else.

          • bachcole

            Furthermore, you can find all kinds of dreadful mistakes and poor judgements in any human endeavour, including modern medicine. Have you ever heard of thalidomide. Medical doctors even into the 1960’s recommended cigarettes on television. They denied the importance of anti-oxidants and many still do. Does this prove that people are misplacing their faith in mainstream medicine.

          • bachcole

            Broncobet, you are absolutely right. People should not have faith in alternative medicine (or conventional medicine). They should have faith in themselves and look at all healing modalities with a critical eye.

            Starting on February 16th, 2013, I was a cripple. Now I am walking. I critically looked at my options, consulted my intuition, tried a number things, and healed myself. Pharmaceutical doctors had absolutely nothing to do with it except that I did one of their X-rays (a diagnostic tool).

          • Broncobet

            Hey Bachcole ,I thought of you when I watched a show on PBS called “Vaccines” it was very balanced and very informative especially for people with young children to look after, try to find it on Tivo or whatever you have.

          • Broncobet

            So bachcole did you see the program? It’s called “Vaccines calling the shots”.

      • A lot of thanks goes to MIT’s Ernie Moniz, U.S. Secretary of Energy.

      • RogerKnights

        Academia nuts.

        • GreenWin

          LOL!

      • Broncobet

        Yes but MIT with UB and UW have developed a great reactor called the FHR ,the Chinese like it so much they have put 500 PhD’s to work to build one.Tell me when the Chinese research on LENR gets one. (that’s Berkely and U of Wisconsin).

    • bachcole

      Alan, I was able to log into Disqus when I removed a bunch of cookies from my computer. There was something wrong with my operating system, and would have to remove cookies from the past 1 hour several times a day. I have updated my operating system and so I don’t have to worry about it any more.

    • Broncobet

      But MIT has the two professors who are great LENR advocates. MIT is world renowned as the greatest scientific institution on the third rock from the sun.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Hi Broncobet, perhaps you didn’t see this one (the 2nd paragraph).
        http://e-catsite.com/2012/05/07/mit-physicist-nixes-cold-fusion-funding/

        • Broncobet

          Alan ,thank you for your reply, I read that link and it’s from May2012,what I wrote is still true ,MIT is the premier scientific learning institute in the world and has two professors who are key LENR advocates, that was true in 2012 and 2014. What is different in 2014 is that the US dept. of Energy had an open solisitation of funds for anything to do with LENR which they named exactly that, I would like to know if anyone even applied for this money, $10 million for twenty different programs, did anyone even apply for this money? You can’t force people to take these funds and they have to apply for it. I know that AR does not think the government should fund research in this area, but the Energy Dept. and I disagree.The offer showed six areas; in between “nuclear” and:”chemical” was LENR. I was pretty excited about it and it’s possible some one got a grant and is making progress as we speak, but I haven’t read anything about it and I read about exciting revolutionary energy concepts every day.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Perhaps Peter Hagelstein and Mitchell Swartz should move to better institutions like the universities of Missouri or Bologna where they would be appreciated.

          • Broncobet

            Funny, but Missouri and Bologna are fine seats of learning. The high regard for MIT is a bonus for LENR advocates as it puts weight behind Peter and Mitchell.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Broncobet, have you seen this interview with Dr. Eugene
            Mallove? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y98YwJ2GEE

          • Broncobet

            I answered above but, thank you for the link,very interesting and shows why the animus toward MIT.

  • Allan Shura

    A bit of topic but as for being patient for results testing, I am wondering how Al Smith is doing on the HHO on catalytic converter substrate testing for LENR effects. I have great respect for his methodology and did caution about the flash back arresters before the mishap. It has been a while as well with Sterling Allen and his test but I think Sterling`s test was too complex with some inference and assumption in his calculation of over unity. With a reported positive result his goal of a simple home air heater has been post-phoned. I do not want to be negative but no additional information on these efforts has been posted for a while either.

  • Allan Shura

    A bit of topic but as for being patient for results testing, I am wondering how Al Smith is doing on the HHO on catalytic converter substrate testing for LENR effects. I have great respect for his methodology and did caution about the flash back arresters before the mishap. It has been a while as well with Sterling Allen and his test but I think Sterling`s test was too complex with some inference and assumption in his calculation of over unity. With a reported positive result his goal of a simple home air heater has been post-phoned. I do not want to be negative but no additional information on these efforts has been posted for a while either.

  • Ophelia Rump

    A lot of the commentary seems to have gone off into free association. It might be nice to simply look at the statement and see what it has to say for itself.

    “The US team is preparing with Chinese scientists an important R&D operation that will help the industrialization of our devices.”

    Q: What top industrial implementations of LENR technology require large R&D before they can become industrial?
    _____________________
    Electrical generation
    Aerospace
    Automotive
    Marine engines
    Home solutions.

    • Broncobet

      Good points as usual, but R&D can also be done on the devices themselves.

    • TomR

      I hope Home solutions start soon in China, it might wake a few people up in the USA.

  • pelgrim108

    Rossi’s friend Enrico Billi is doing research in China where he lives with his Chinese wife.

    Andrea Rossi — May 5th, 2014 at 4:56 PM
    Enrico Billi:
    Very interesting, you are always bearer of good stuff: your Physics Degree from the University of Bologna is working.
    Lavolale, lavolale!
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    p.s.- for the Readers: Enrico Billi is a Physicist friend of mine and works in China, very hard; in Italy Chinese People pronouces “L” the “R”, so the Italian “lavorare” ( = to work) pronounced by a Chinese becomes ” Lavolale”: for this reason we joke saying always “lavolale, levolale” , to mean don’t lose your time, just work.

    • Fortyniner

      Explaining a joke is always a little embarrassing, but in this case, essential for non-Italian speakers!

  • pelgrim108

    Rossi’s friend Enrico Billi is doing research in China where he lives with his Chinese wife.

    Andrea Rossi — May 5th, 2014 at 4:56 PM
    Enrico Billi:
    Very interesting, you are always bearer of good stuff: your Physics Degree from the University of Bologna is working.
    Lavolale, lavolale!
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    p.s.- for the Readers: Enrico Billi is a Physicist friend of mine and works in China, very hard; in Italy Chinese People pronouces “L” the “R”, so the Italian “lavorare” ( = to work) pronounced by a Chinese becomes ” Lavolale”: for this reason we joke saying always “lavolale, levolale” , to mean don’t lose your time, just work.

    • Explaining a joke is always a little embarrassing, but in this case, essential for non-Italian speakers!

      • Jouni Tuomela

        and must be true, Chinese have that tlouble.

  • Omega Z

    Not Even in China.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Enrico should be careful. The Chinese government sometimes arrests innocent foreigners and charges them with spying. It recently happened to a couple of innocent Canadians who ran a store there. What’s more, despite U.S. protests, they still sell stolen American movies on homemade DVDs on street corners and elsewhere and the vendors are seldom bothered by their police.

    China is a dictatorship. It is not a democratic society based on laws, like ours. Whatever is revealed to them in respect to Rossi’s invention they will .….. (Fill in the blank).

    • Ophelia Rump

      Your fear is so worldly.

    • “like ours” – you mean America?

      I am of course European which means that I belong to the underdeveloped world where a person showing up with a coca cola is the center of attention at any party.

      We spend most of our lives dreaming of a life in a democratic society where healthcare costs money, people use a knife and a fork, where the government never spies on anyone and where Crack is being sold at every street corner instead of DVDs.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Enrico should be careful. The Chinese government sometimes arrests innocent foreigners and charges them with spying. It recently happened to a couple of innocent Canadians who ran a store there. What’s more, despite U.S. protests, they still sell stolen American movies on homemade DVDs on street corners and elsewhere and the vendors are seldom bothered by their police.

    China is a dictatorship. It is not a democratic society based on laws, like ours. Whatever is revealed to them in respect to Rossi’s invention they will .….. (Fill in the blank).

    • Ophelia Rump

      Your fear is so worldly.

    • I am of course European which means that I belong to the underdeveloped world where a person showing up with a coca cola is the center of attention at any party.

      We spend most of our lives dreaming of a life in a democratic society where healthcare costs money, people use a knife and a fork, where the government never spies on anyone and where Crack is being sold at every street corner instead of DVDs.

      • Broncobet

        Since our ancestors were European, of course we love most things about the place.

    • Broncobet

      Your view of China is not wrong but I have a few points. As far as type of government I would call ours a representative republic and China as an oligarchy. We looked to the ancient Greeks who had a partial democracy ,only certain people could vote. When it was time for war obviously you can’t vote on everything. The Greeks went to the country to plead with an old retired general and promised he would have absolute power over everything for two years . He accepted ,won the war and went back to his farm and the Greeks went back to a democracy. This is the system that we have. Obama can order the vast military to do most anything, he says jump,well you know. When it comes time to pay for it the house has to approve. So it is we,not the Chinese who have the dictatorship(and it’s a good thing).”It’s not a democratic society based on laws” Well you’re exactly right there. The US is based on laws and it’s a big advantage.Really now , they are being worse than you describe. The government has ordered that laws be selectively enforced so that it always goes against foreigners. They honor the patents on nuclear reactors and have paid many billions for our nuclear designs. This is because they want everyone to honor their patents on it. We are the most advanced with nuclear power but the Chinese are catching up so quickly and we are working so slowly that they will pass us and we will buy from them and will honor their patents. They love new tech and they probably offered Rossi and IH a deal they couldn’t refuse like a free building, engineers to work with them, low or no interest loans, and an easy path to mass production. If they go the route they went with fission plants; they will buy the patents on the ECats, improve them and sell them to the world, so IH gets rich, the world gets LENR.

  • Anon2012_2014

    How about the report.

    How long do we wait until it is “late”.

    • Andy Kumar

      On mountain roads, you will find signs saying, “it is better to be late than never”.
      Looks like you have been waiting since 2012 like the rest of us. It will be good idea to change your handle to 2012… That way it is good until the report comes out -:)

      • GreenWin

        Anon’s handle implies that a world changing “New Fire” was developed and brought to market in a mere TWO years?? This will further eviscerate the hot fusionists’ ego and must be corrected.

        • Andy Kumar

          Green, you are real funny. “brought to market ” as in done deal?. Did I miss it? I was at the Home Depot last weekend.
          I can go with “will be coming to a store near you SOON…”

        • bachcole

          I have no problem eviscerating the hot fusionists’ egos.

    • Ophelia Rump

      April 1, 2015

      • Anon2012_2014

        Putin may have annexed Sweden by then.

        Can we drag this out longer???

        • Ophelia Rump

          Yes, if you insist!

          And I am certain that Putin will stop once he takes Estonia. It will be winter and he will rest until spring. Europe is so lovely in the spring, when the brightly colored monarchs are in flight and countries are falling everywhere.

          • malkom700

            Unequal energy resources obviously play a role in regional conflicts. The development of Ukrainian conflict is a good example. This is a serious responsibility for all. However, pollution perhaps is an even greater challenge.

          • Broncobet

            Yes except in this case the aggressor ,Russia, has some of the largest reserves of fossil fuels along with a healthy nuclear industry and they’re attacking a country with little proven reserves,so,in this case ,energy resources does not play a role.(of course you’re point is valid in many cases).

          • malkom700

            Thank you for your response, but you are wrong, you probably are not from Eastern Europe as I do. What happened in this case? Russian minority would not want to be separated from Western Europe, if their standard of living is constantly not lowering of the above reasons.

          • Broncobet

            No I’m not.

          • malkom700

            Yes, but not the Sudeten Germans began to rebel, since not had economic problems, that’s the fundamental difference.

          • Broncobet

            It’s simple Russian aggression, Hitler used the same excuse to invade Czech so as a Russian sympathizer how did your alliance with Hitler go? Not so good, Russians are lucky the US sent them arms to defeat Hitler. Now we need the Germans to re arm to counter the Russian threat.

        • Karl

          Starting the discussion here about threats. The question is who is coursing these threats. Former US military veterans it seems to have a clear idea where these threats is coming from.

          http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/06/americans-must-rise-in-revolt-over-us-governments-craziness-journalist/

          • Ophelia Rump

            To be a former US military veteran, you must be dead.
            But from this living one: That link does not speak for me.
            The author sleeps with Putin to spite Obama. This is treasonous.

          • Heath

            OR, I agree completely.

      • Broncobet

        Some time back I guessed Oct 5 as date for report, I thought I was being pretty conservative, but I guess they can delay longer than any date we write down.

    • bachcole

      There is no “late”. It will get here when it is supposed to get here, or, rather, it is supposed to get here when it gets here, sort of like morning.

    • Broncobet

      So I will definitely call it late if it’s later than October 5th. It is important that technology, if it is to be important, is deployed in a timely manner and I know that things in this energy space have an awful record for timeliness, but if it is really good we can wait a little longer.

  • clovis ray

    no one know how to build, e-cat reactors, and no one will, if IH has anything to do with it,

  • Karl

    A good move to go to China which may result in the final release the entire field of science and applications around Cold Fusion type of energy phenomena – without barriers.

  • Karl

    A good move to go to China which may result in the final release the entire field of science and applications around Cold Fusion type of energy phenomena – without barriers.

  • Fortyniner

    Once a thing is known to be possible, replication is inevitable no matter how carefully the IP is guarded. IH and associates will have a limited window in which to make hay as the sole provider. I believe there will then probably be a period of corporate monopoly during which the technology spreads to other large companies, and after that, cold fusion will gradually become just another field of engineering and marketing shared by many players. Unfortunately for all of us, phases one and two could last for decades.

    • GreenWin

      What I find encouraging is the first one or two “former” utility companies adapting to the transition. Recent example of NRG and Vermont’s biggest utility, Green Mountain partnering on a variety of renewable products and services. This includes the Beacon 10 which we speculate to be a prime candidate for an E-Cat module.

      The cartel monopoly only works with centralized, big hardware generation. E-Cat is implicitly simple. Only the catalyst may require a ultra-high tech process which will be the domain of nano-materials specialists. IH can freely sell non-exclusive licenses to OEMs around the world, using an “E-Cat Inside” type co-branding scheme. Point is, once the public fully groks the meaning of this invention, specious legislation should be tantamount to “Football Permit” legislation — worthy of armed revolt.

      • Fortyniner

        From many indications it looks like the cartel people have already begun to move into distributed power and cogeneration, just as they have already moved into ‘renewables’ in order to suck up the huge subsidies that were on offer. Potentially ‘stranded’ assets will increasingly be dumped, or rather, may be hived off to the unwary (or uninformed) wherever possible.

        That would apply to nuclear generation in particular, and there is a certain irony in the fact that it is increasingly looking as if the Chinese have been selected as the ‘marks’ in this case, at least in the UK. As European consortia begin to shrink away from these massive investments (and potential financial black holes), and moves by the EU to force Cameron to slash the huge taxpayer-funded back door ‘incentives’ on offer are proceeding nicely, the Chinese state nuclear companies are increasingly being invited to take up the slack.

        If as seems likely, the reality of cold fusion becomes widely accepted before the end of the year, a lot of people in the nuclear game are going to be left holding some very, very expensive babies.

    • Fortyniner

      Read your reply GW, but it now seems to have disappeared! From many indications it looks like the cartel people have already begun to move into distributed power and cogeneration, just as they have already moved into ‘renewables’ in order to suck up the huge subsidies that were on offer. Potentially ‘stranded’ assets will increasingly be dumped, or rather, may be hived off to the unwary (or uninformed).

      That would apply to nuclear generation in particular, and there is a certain irony in the fact that it is increasingly looking as if the Chinese have been selected as the ‘marks’ in this case, at least in the UK. As European consortia begin to shrink away from these massive investments (and potential financial black holes), and moves to slash the huge taxpayer-funded back door ‘incentives’ on offer by the likes of Cameron are proceeding nicely, the Chinese state nuclear companies are increasingly being invited to take up the slack.

      If as seems likely, the reality of cold fusion becomes widely accepted before the end of the year, a lot of people in the nuclear game are going to be left holding some very, very expensive babies.

  • GreenWin

    Anon’s handle implies that a world changing “New Fire” was developed and brought to market in a mere TWO years?? This will further eviscerate the hot fusionists’ ego and must be corrected.

    • bachcole

      I have no problem eviscerating the hot fusionists’ egos.

  • bachcole

    TomR, I believe that most of what we have seen is a neutral apathy based upon disbelieve. I don’t oppose the research of UFOs. I couldn’t care less about UFOs. But I am not resisting it. I haven’t called my congressman and told him to not fund it. But he hasn’t gotten a call from me asking him to fund it either. There may have been some active opposition, especially from maryyugo-retards, but probably most people haven’t even heard about it.

    • malkom700

      Thank you for your response, but you are wrong, you probably are not from Eastern Europe as I do. What happened in this case? Russian minority would not want to be separated from Western Europe, if their standard of living is constantly not lowering of the above reasons.

      • Broncobet

        No I’m not.

        • malkom700

          Yes, but not the Sudeten Germans began to rebel, since not had economic problems, that’s the fundamental difference.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Perhaps Peter Hagelstein and Mitchell Swartz should move to better institutions like the universities of Missouri or Bologna where they would be appreciated.

  • Broncobet

    The first equipment to build ITER has arrived .it’s shock arrestors ,built by the US. Europe provides half the US and five others the other half so we’re responsible for a twelfth. I’m 62 so I can’t live long enough to see commercial production but I may see this machine built of course it’ll be over budget and after deadlines.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Won’t we need lithium in the future? Why waste it by burning it up in a hot fusion reactor now that we have LENR?

      • Broncobet

        Don’t worry, even if they go according to schedule I don’t think they turn on this experimental equipment until 2030 or so and I guarantee more delays. Lots of Lithium will be used for batteries but why worry there’s plenty of it it’s the third element.I like keeping track of this effort and I like that it makes many nations cooperate but it has to win the prize for “least likely to produce usable energy”. Still,if every effort we make fails,this would be ready in fifty years or so,if we’re lucky.

      • Broncobet

        Thanks for the link to the Eugene Malove clip,very interesting.The police and DA made a mess of the investigation of his murder but because he was somebody with family and friends they let go of the two they had arrested and charged another two. The most guilty one they made a bargain with for 16 years, which is OK if he has to serve all 16, they never make it clear how many years the accused actually serves with good behavior etc. It will not be justice if he gets out in 8. It was not part of a conspiracy to silence cold fusion, although I can understand the suspicion. It goes to show how wrong the police and DA can be about crimes, even murder.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Broncobet, have you seen this interview with Dr. Eugene
    Mallove? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y98YwJ2GEE

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Won’t we need lithium in the future? Why waste it by burning it up in a hot fusion reactor now that we have LENR?

  • pelgrim108

    Answers from Andrea Rossi to the questions from Hank Mills
    September 9th, 2014 at 11:12 PM

    Are there any E-Cat reactors in China at this time?
    no

    As Chief Scientist, do you get to choose who is hired to head the Chinese research project?
    no

    Where will the funding for the Chinese research project originate?
    I am not involved in this

    Have you considered opening an E-Cat acadamy for when the tech starts entering the market in a big way? Those who enrolled could study theory, operation of reactors, construction, safety, etc. Then they could be certified to work E-Cat related jobs in manufacturing, maintenance, servicing, inspecting, etc. I’d be interested in enrolling.
    we are considering how to prepare certified operators: this is an important issue

  • pelgrim108

    Answers from Andrea Rossi to the questions from Hank Mills
    September 9th, 2014 at 11:12 PM

    Are there any E-Cat reactors in China at this time?
    no

    As Chief Scientist, do you get to choose who is hired to head the Chinese research project?
    no

    Where will the funding for the Chinese research project originate?
    I am not involved in this

    Have you considered opening an E-Cat acadamy for when the tech starts entering the market in a big way? Those who enrolled could study theory, operation of reactors, construction, safety, etc. Then they could be certified to work E-Cat related jobs in manufacturing, maintenance, servicing, inspecting, etc. I’d be interested in enrolling.
    we are considering how to prepare certified operators: this is an important issue

  • Broncobet

    Frank, I am so pleased that one of you’re advertisers is NEI. I really like their presentation it looks very good and makes a lot of sense,I especially like the picture of Leslie Dewan as Transatomic power is one of my favorites as it burns nuclear waste as it produces clean energy. Well done.

  • Omega Z

    Bronco
    The “short on cash” wasn’t serious comment. Anyway, the numbers I’ve seen said $30 Billion, but that’s neither here nor there. The U.S. Government sends another $50 billion south thru various programs.

    Note by southern border, I include everything south to the tip of South America due to the porosity of all the borders. Those crossing the border aren’t just Mexican. It even includes a fair number of Asians. Everything else is MSM B.S.

    I am aware of the Mexican Oil situation. It’s in decline & most think it will be 10+ years before a turn around. The Hardware & people with the expertize are limited & it will be quite a while before it’s available to help expand Mexico’s oil fields.
    In Fact, They want the Keystone Pipeline completed & export rules relaxed so that they can keep their refineries going processing that crude oil until that happens.

    As to the immigration situation. Studies state that when the U.S hits a population of 350 Million, Standards of living will decline due to a lack of resources. We’ll be in China’s situation looking to buy up resources in other countries to make ends meet or maintain our standards.

    Sadly, There were those in the 60’s who seen this coming. They had a plan. Create an economic zone in part of Mexico. Raise the standard of living & repeat. Over 40 years or so you work your way all they way to the tip of South America. Each country would in turn help to continue the process. A Co-Op. They actually did get a couple zones designated but the plan was highjacked & used only to generate larger profits. Note the Plan allowed for additional profit as incentive to get Corporate America behind it, They just didn’t have penalties in place to make sure a portion of those profits filtered down to raise their standard of living. As in higher incomes.

    Corporations have a problem seeing beyond the next Quarters profits. Imagine the profits had they created a larger market among these countries had they accepted less profit in the short term.

    As to the U.S. Problems being of their own making. I Agree. To many politicians kick the can down the road. A Minor issue today becomes very painful down the road. And the payments are about to come due…

    • Broncobet

      Why?

  • Broncobet

    I saw some reference to LENR work being done at one of our great national energy laboratories; does anyone know anything about it? TY.