“International Academic Report on Cold Fusion Imminent” [Caution: Unconfirmed Anonymous Post]

I want to caution readers of E-Cat World that the following post was received by me from an anonymous source. The only identifier is the nickname ‘Avatar Polymorph’. I have no way of confirming whether the sender of this message has any inside knowledge about the report, but I will post it here for informational purposes, and allow readers to use their own judgment regarding it.

International Academic Report on Cold Fusion Imminent
by Avatar Polymorph

Andrea Rossi first demonstrated his cold fusion Energy Catalyzer in January 2011 in Italy. Since then he has secured millions of dollars of funding from the US, through environmental business leader Tom Darden of Industrial Heat LLC, whom Rossi now works for as head of research.

An eccentric character like Thomas Edison, Rossi, an Italian road-running champion in his youth (holding the Junior World Record in 1969 for the 24 hour run) has led other Italian researchers by moving the field of cold fusion into new fuel sources (nickel and hydrogen and additional materials). Cold fusion is also known as Low Energy Nuclear Reaction.

Scientific support for Rossi’s claims has gradually broadened, with academic supporters coming on board from Sweden, Italy and other countries. Since his initial demonstrations Rossi has made a profound breakthrough in the design of the Energy Catalyzer, producing far more energy from a much smaller model, now termed the Hot Cat.

The Hot Cat has already been the subject of testing by scientists (report attached) in May of 2013. This report received some criticism because the monitoring was done on Rossi’s premises.

A new report by a larger number of scientists from several continents has been completed and is going to be released shortly. Testing on the Hot Cat occurred over months on an independent academic site in Switzerland.

Rossi and Industrial Heat face major problems with many countries opposing patents for cold fusion outright, because of negative publicity in 1989, when Time magazine ran initial discoveries as a breakthrough (with palladium and heavy water as fuel) and there was a failure to replicate results. Although funding for cold fusion science was withdrawn worldwide for decades, it now appears that properly constituted experiments have produced evidence of extremely minor levels of power output from cold fusion based on palladium.

In the absence of significant patents the need for intellectual property secrecy regarding Rossi’s fuel preparation has impeded scientific acceptance of his claims. Rossi himself is an engineer more than a theoretician and drew on the earlier work of Italian scientists Piantelli and Focardi. Additionally, Rossi’s involvement with an earlier waste fuel company which collapsed in Italy has evoked criticism, although he claims mafia influence in Italian politics was responsible.

The forthcoming report promises to be a very important document. It is hard to underestimate the implications of cold fusion for global warming, energy politics and terrestrial and space transport. Importantly, there are no radiation issues or pollution involved and the cost of energy will be one tenth of current levels.

Rossi has announced that Industrial Heat is constructing a demonstration plant while awaiting the release of the independent scientific report. The timing of the report is being set by the researchers involved.

The emergence of cold fusion will spark a major debate on the politics of science and blanket bans on areas of research.

  • Gerard McEk

    It is about as we know already, so I am not sure he is a real insider.

    • Goax

      I agree with that.
      Concerning Switzerland test site, I tried to look for any possibilities but have not found any hint. Maybe except this one, the company Clean Nuclear Power LLC based in Switzerland and owned by Allan Widom and Yogendra Srivastava… names that are well known by us here…

      http://www.moneyhouse.ch/en/u/clean_nuclear_power_llc_CH-501.4.015.494-6.htm

      • ah yes They are in Lugano, but AFAIK not related to E-cat…
        or I have a bigger news than what I imagine.

        No relation with Larsen, except paternity of the WL theory.

      • SiriusMan

        Very interesting. There were earlier rumors that the 6 month test was in Lugano… see comments :

        http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/06/03/rossi-please-be-patient/

        ..and now this turns up? Coincidence? In a Swiss city of only 50,000 people, do we believe there are two LENR R&D efforts operating independently? Is this the NASA -> Widom -> Rossi link?

        https://www.linkedin.com/pub/filippo-de-jorio/7/872/704

        This guys claims to be CEO of ‘Clean Nuclear Power LLC’ and also claims to have hold the position since 2010 (?) :

        • CNP LLC as far as I know is not in E-cat circle, or really they are in stealth mode…
          If CNP is linked to E-cat I would dance disco for all the night.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Yeah, and Li-7 (92.5 %) is more abundant than Li-6 (7.5%).
        Li-6 is needed to make tritium for ITER.
        Li(6) + n > He(4) + H(3) 4.78 MeV

        By the way, although F&P used LiOD as the electrolyte, some researchers used D2SO4 as the electrolyte and the D2 (gas) – palladium systems have no lithium (Les Case’s football, 36.35 min. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k )

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Oh but wait, Sven Kullander found lithium in the ash that wasn’t there initially.
          So, it might be the following:

          3H2(1) >3H2(1) Bose gas > Li(6) + 3 e+ 28.1 MeV

          (But we don’t see the gamma ray from electron-positron annihilation. So, maybe not.)

          • LENR does not work classically.

            if you follow hydroton theory it maybe be pep-like fusion with electron included. energy is difused as x-ray or smaller quanta.

            it is true we are missing data, but sure energy is produced at MeV level and not emmited so… sure h/d/t fusion is aneutronic, so includes electron.

            there should be more research about Li6 production.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            I was glad to see that a patent on Rossi’s catalyst is in the works. Without any real data my imagination goes wild.
            I think I’ll go back to thinking about “soft” polarizable transition metal-hydride bonds until the report comes out.
            http://coldfusionnow.org/peter-gluck-and-yeong-e-kim-on-lenr-research/

  • Gerard McEk

    It is about as we know already, so I am not sure he is a real insider.

    • Goax

      I agree with that.
      Concerning Switzerland test site, I tried to look for any possibilities but have not found any hint. Maybe except this one, the company Clean Nuclear Power LLC based in Switzerland and owned by Allan Widom and Yogendra Srivastava… names that are well known by us here…

      http://www.moneyhouse.ch/en/u/clean_nuclear_power_llc_CH-501.4.015.494-6.htm

      • ah yes They are in Lugano, but AFAIK not related to E-cat…
        or I have a bigger news than what I imagine.

        No relation with Larsen, except paternity of the WL theory.

      • SiriusMan

        Very interesting. There were earlier rumors that the 6 month test was in Lugano… see comments :

        http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/06/03/rossi-please-be-patient/

        ..and now this turns up? Coincidence? In a Swiss city of only 50,000 people, do we believe there are two LENR R&D efforts operating independently? Is this the NASA -> Widom -> Rossi link?

        https://www.linkedin.com/pub/filippo-de-jorio/7/872/704

        This guys claims to be CEO of ‘Clean Nuclear Power LLC’ and also claims to have hold the position since 2010 (?) :

        • CNP LLC as far as I know is not in E-cat circle, or really they are in stealth mode…
          If CNP is linked to E-cat I would dance disco for all the night.

  • foobario2

    This reads like a press release but it doesn’t sound like a press release that any of the testers would write. The reason for that is the lengthy and pretty off-topic excursions into talking about cold fusion…. the purpose of this report is *NOT* about the theoretical underpinnings of the E-Cat (if the E-cat works).

    Instead, it is an empirical analysis that answers the question: When we operate the E-cat based on the instructions from Rossi & Co, how much energy does it consume and how much energy output is observed?

    If both the input and output are actually measured accurately and the output is greater than the input (exceeding experimental error) then the E-cat “works” although it might not be commercially useful if the output is only slightly above the input. Interesting scientifically, but not going to change the world overnight.

    If both the input and output are actually measured accurately and the output is *much* greater than the input, then the E-cat has a good chance of being a commercially successful device.

    Of course, this is all hinging on proper experimental procedure and rigorous testing. Testing over a long period of time (months) should hopefully filter out any small transient output spikes that might be mistaken for excess energy when they are really more noise signals.

    • GordonDocherty

      Testing for months should also rule out any chemical source of energy (that is, making and breaking of molecular bonds)

  • The article is well written and accurate. This could have been written by anyone, as we all know the report is coming out relatively soon. The question is how soon? He does not give a date, so this is just a good synopsis of the facts we all know.

  • Fyodor

    It doesn’t sound that he’s even claiming to have insider information-it sounds like he’s just describing, in a sort of attention-grabbing way, what is already known.

  • Sanjeev

    The writer seems to be a book author, transhumanist, from a quick google search.
    http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/162-transhumanist-activist-avatar-polymorph/

    But obviously he has revealed nothing new. It looks like an article written for a lay person.

    • mike

      lol, yea but at least we had a new article up to glean upon. 🙂

      • Broncobet

        Yeah!!

  • georgehants

    The chances of any academic or establishment scientists putting forward a report on any new science of their own must be close to zero.
    Academic science is now relegated to the peer review of real scientists like Mr. Rossi and of course they can do no more than just test his device as a car mechanic would test an engines performance.
    A science education system designed only to turn out establishment unthinking clones able to achieve nothing but put toy trucks on Mars etc. that could be done by 14 year old students, seems the limit of their abilities.
    Comedians like Hawkins and Dawkins preaching their religious negative views, that scientifically are junk as a negative is unprovable, unlike any positive religious teaching that no matter how incorrect has the logical possibility of being in some way correct.
    Cold Fusion has just confirmed that all Academic and establishment science needs to be taken apart, all the rubbish removed and a new logical “science” based system put in place of ridiculous Dogma and laughable “expert opinion”

    • Wayne M.

      To be replaced with your view?

      The “establishment” scientists may be political and petty, but they are not seething with anger. I’m afraid of people, like President Vladimir Putin, who come to power and arrive angry. Hawkins and Dawkins base their views on evidence gleaned from the scientific method. Like it or not, the scientific method does not validate the supernatural.

      Dawkins and Putin are both godless and have power. Only one of them shoots down planes and steals your land.

      Hint: It’s the angry guy.

      • georgehants

        Wayne, I will be kind and take your reply as just some kind of joke.
        I am talking Facts about science, you are talking “opinion” about politics.
        You say “Dawkins and Hawkins base their religious views on evidence gleaned from the scientific method.”
        I have explained that scientifically science cannot prove a negative and you seem to be trying to dispute that FACT.
        They are incompetent unscientific fools just giving worthless silly “opinions.”
        You say “the scientific method does not validate the supernatural.”
        You are completely in error with your “opinion”
        I take it you must be a “qualified” scientist of some kind.

      • clovis ray

        very well said, enough said.we here to celebrate , parrrr tay,, par tay, lol
        Come on guy lets smile and shake on it, everything is good, as Martha S would say it’s a good thing,:)

      • bachcole

        The scientific method also does not and cannot invalidate the supernatural.

      • bachcole

        But I like what you say about “the angry guy”. No matter the realm of life, the angry guy is the a$$hole, the evil one. Even combat experts will tell you that anger in combat is a prescription for getting killed. And I come to that opinion about anger from a super-natural viewpoint. (:->)

        • georgehants

          Morning Roger, I have no time for anger that leads to violence etc. but it is part of the human survival system, fight or flight.
          Many children etc. have been saved by the rush of adreniline that brings anger and allows a person to do “impossible things in their defense.

          • bachcole

            We have different goals. I am not try to survive. I am trying to get to God.

          • Broncobet

            Yes, but not too quickly.

      • mike

        Dawkins and Putin are of the same cloth. Which means you are bashing your political buddy Putin while Dawkins gets your admiration. And the scientific method cannot Invalidate the supernatural either. Which is why “They” are also seething with anger. Haven’t you watched Dawkins? Science is shit because of the conflict of interest in their funding. It is completely corrupt and is keeping innovation at a near standstill. Anyone thinking the establishment science has any credibility left is either evil or ignorant, period. Why the fuck would the patent office refuse a device that doesn’t work? They refuse to protect their establishment dollars, period.

        • Broncobet

          I am a church going Christian and I see nothing wrong with Dawkins or Hawkins, they are explaining God’s creation ,they don’t have to believe all the things that I do, but I do not disagree with most things athiests believe, while I certainly disagree with many things said by religious people,.

          • Well said. As an agnostic tending towards atheism, to my shame I am probably rather less tolerant of religious viewpoints than you are of atheistic ones.

          • bachcole

            I reluctantly find myself agreeing with you. I say reluctantly because atheism is stagnating spiritually, but many religious are de facto worshipping their book rather than the Infinite Ocean of Consciousness. But when the Christians are singing praise songs to Jesus for 30 minutes, I be rockin’.

          • Broncobet

            Good insight.

      • georgehants

        Duplicate

      • I never did trust Dawkins – but where on Earth did he get a Buk missile?

    • mike

      amen

  • Mark E Kitiman

    It seems that ‘Avatar Polymorph’ has posted in the comments section on this site before… maybe we should just ask him if he has inside knowledge!

  • Mark E Kitiman

    It seems that ‘Avatar Polymorph’ has posted in the comments section on this site before… maybe we should just ask him if he has inside knowledge!

  • US_Citizen71

    I wouldn’t read too much into this. Everything in it could have come from posts on the pages E-Catworld itself. It reads like a blog post for a small newspaper.

    • Omega Z

      Agreed, “ALL” the information has been posted here at ECW in the last few weeks or months.

  • US_Citizen71

    I wouldn’t read too much into this. Everything in it could have come from posts on the pages of E-Catworld itself. It reads like a blog post for a small newspaper.

    • Omega Z

      Agreed, “ALL” the information has been posted here at ECW in the last few weeks or months.

  • bachcole

    This “letter” was a very nice summation of where we are now. Whether it is authentic remains to be seen. If the testing was not done in Switzerland, then we will know that it was not authentic.

    • Omega Z

      Actually, Switzerland has been mentioned a while back by someone here at ECW. Including the city.
      Just a little north of the Italian Border.

  • MasterBlaster7

    I thought Rossi was going to synchronize the report with the iphone 6 launch haha.

    • GreenWin

      Ha! It MAY sync with the new X-Prize launch breaking soon.

    • Omega Z

      There’s an APP for that. You can synchronize it to your I-phone And remotely control it.
      You can turn it on to heat your home as your heading home from work..

  • MasterBlaster7

    I thought Rossi was going to synchronize the report with the iphone 6 launch haha.

    • GreenWin

      Ha! It MAY sync with the new X-Prize launch breaking soon.

    • Omega Z

      There’s an APP for that. You can synchronize it to your I-phone And remotely control it.
      You can turn it on to heat your home as your heading home from work..

  • Paul

    This post has surely been written by an insider, it is a sort of press release but not released through the normal and professional channels. I am quite astonished to see a company communicating not with official press releases but through “obliquous” ways like this. I hope to see a more professional approach to communication in the future. Moreover, the use of “cold fusion” expression is not a good choice, because all of us know that mainstream media and science magazines ban all what is “cold fusion”.

    • Ophelia Rump

      This post has surely been written by someone who casually browsed this site, and regurgitated what they thought was relevant.
      They have no real insight and nothing new to say.

      • Paul

        Transhumanism has been widely cultivated in Sweden… an information contained in the post is not easy to know for a casual visitor… so it is easy make 1+1…

        • Ophelia Rump

          Sticking a clock in your navel does not make you a Swede, and what information have they supplied which is new, except an easy guess or misinterpretation that the testing was done in Sweden?

          • Paul

            Sorry, but I cannot say more because I am not an IH press officer. If you believe me ok, otherwise no prob.

          • Ophelia Rump

            That sounded like a claim of special yet unverifiable knowledge on your part. There is no quicker way to blow credibility.
            No problem whatsoever.

          • Paul

            I do not need credibility, I already have, but I do not want to reveal more, at least not now. I am not 100% sure that he is an insider but this is my conclusion on the basis of the information I have. However, consider that in the LENR field and especially regarding this technology most of the infos are secret. What you read on the web are only crumbs…

        • Omega Z

          Note:
          Everything disclosed has been posted here at ECW within the last couple weeks or months by regulars here at ECW.

        • Omega Z

          I believe this person to be Australian..

      • Omega Z

        I agree 100% Ophelia.
        Any number of people here at ECW could have written this.

        The nickname “Avatar Polymorph” seems very familiar.
        I believe I’ve seen this handle on other blogs…

      • GreenWin

        I agree OR. Were I the editor I would ask for more references to industry’s adoption of LENR, e.g. Toyota, Mitsubishi, NASA, Swedish Power Elforsk, the military component DARPA, SPAWAR, Navy Research Lab, Dr. McKubre at SRI, and the enlightened academics at University Missouri SKINR, Dr. Hagelstein at MIT, Dr. Miley at U Illinois, Dr. Kim at Purdue. The lone, eccentric wolf angle is not the best story IMO. Rossi’s is the work of an extraordinary team of courageous scientists, entrepreneurs, visionaries, and people like us here on ECW, lending belief and support to a necessary human evolution.

    • Barry8

      Did a search. This seems like the guy http://disqus.com/avatarpolymorph/

  • Paul

    This post has surely been written by an insider, it is a sort of press release but not released through the normal and professional channels. I am quite astonished to see a company communicating not with official press releases but through “obliquous” ways like this. I hope to see a more professional approach to communication in the future. Moreover, the use of “cold fusion” expression is not a good choice, because all of us know that mainstream media and science magazines ban all what is “cold fusion”.

    • Ophelia Rump

      This post has surely been written by someone who casually browsed this site, and regurgitated what they thought was relevant.
      They have no real insight and nothing new to say.

      The author does have some skill and it was one of the better written pieces I have seen. It is a shame that they published it here and not somewhere the people who read it will learn something from it. I hope it gets many reprints, it is a model for what I hope to see in the general press.

      • Paul

        Transhumanism has been widely cultivated in Sweden… an information contained in the post is not easy to know for a casual visitor… so it is easy make 1+1…

        • Ophelia Rump

          Sticking a clock in your navel does not make you a Swede, and what information have they supplied which is new, except an easy guess or misinterpretation that the testing was done in Sweden?

          • Paul

            Sorry, but I cannot say more because I am not an IH press officer. If you believe me ok, otherwise no prob.

          • Ophelia Rump

            That sounded like a claim of special yet unverifiable knowledge on your part. There is no quicker way to blow credibility.
            No problem whatsoever.
            I need to stop posing now, my cranky is going to 11.

          • Paul

            I do not need credibility, I already have, but I do not want to reveal more, at least not now. I am not 100% sure that he is an insider but this is my conclusion on the basis of the information I have. However, consider that in the LENR field and especially regarding this technology most of the infos are secret. What you read on the web are only crumbs…

        • Omega Z

          Note:
          Everything disclosed has been posted here at ECW within the last couple weeks or months by regulars here at ECW.

        • Omega Z

          I believe this person to be Australian..

      • Omega Z

        I agree 100% Ophelia.
        Any number of people here at ECW could have written this.

        The nickname “Avatar Polymorph” seems very familiar.
        I believe I’ve seen this handle on other blogs…

      • GreenWin

        I agree OR. Were I the editor I would ask for more references to industry’s adoption of LENR, e.g. Toyota, Mitsubishi, NASA, Swedish Power Elforsk, the military component DARPA, SPAWAR, Navy Research Lab, Dr. McKubre at SRI, and the enlightened academics at University Missouri SKINR, Dr. Hagelstein at MIT, Dr. Miley at U Illinois, Dr. Kim at Purdue. The lone, eccentric wolf angle is not the best story IMO. Rossi’s is the work of an extraordinary team of courageous scientists, entrepreneurs, visionaries, and people like us here on ECW, lending belief and support to a necessary human evolution.

    • bachcole

      Show me the evidence that it was written by an insider. I could easily have written it. And my doubt does not prove that it was written by a non-insider. It is an open question, something that makes some people uncomfortable.

    • Timar

      If the report will be as thorough and definite as most of us expect it to be, its release accompanied by a press conference and the public presentation of a working plant, it simply won’t matter which terminus they choose (they could call it Pink Unicorn Energy or whatever). When the Black Swan soars, empirical reality will finally trump any preconceived ideas and concepts. I doubt whether this is really an “unofficial” press release, but if it is, I congratulate them for their courage to actually embrace the term Cold Fusion and thereby actively vindicate Fleischmann and Pons.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    I often wonder if the ecat can even be patented. There does not seem to be an actual invention as compared to its fuel. Would LENR occur with the right ingredients inside a coke bottle? I think the fuel itself is the “invention”.

    • Omega Z

      “fuel itself is the “invention”

      Possibly, But the device design will likely play a big roll in efficiency, control & dependability. Rossi did say something to the effect that they were working with various designs & those that worked very well were being patented.

  • huttsalalala

    Did I miss the “insider” information? This is just a summary, could have been written by anybody..

  • Sanders

    The article titled “International Academic Report on Cold Fusion Imminent” appears to have been written by a professional writer who has inside knowledge of what is about to happen. Mr. Polymorph’s article makes me believe that we are about to enter a new era in human history.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Grigori Perelman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman published something as important as his proof of the Poincaré conjecture in arXiv. Wouldn’t just publishing in arXiv be sufficient?

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      Grigory Perelman declining the award – Field’s medal ceremony – Madrid
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45OirYxdArE

      • Omega Z

        I wouldn’t have a problem with it being published on “arXiv”
        It is in fact reputable. But I’m sure many others would take issue.

        Now with this Caveat-“Dependent on exackery what & how many institutions & exackery who signed off on the test” I could be satisfied with it published on JONP…

        Also, Without any Caveat, I’d be really tickled if they just sent me my personal a Copy…
        (:-o (:-)

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Yeah, JONP would be the best place for it.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PS
        I think it’s actually Fields Medal not Field’s.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Grigori Perelman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman published something as important as his proof of the Poincaré conjecture in arXiv. Wouldn’t just publishing in arXiv be sufficient?

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      Grigory Perelman declining the award – Field’s medal ceremony – Madrid
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45OirYxdArE

      • Omega Z

        I wouldn’t have a problem with it being published on “arXiv”
        It is in fact reputable. But I’m sure many others would take issue.

        Now with this Caveat-“Dependent on exackery what & how many institutions & exackery who signed off on the test” I could be satisfied with it published on JONP…

        Also, Without any Caveat, I’d be really tickled if they just sent me my personal a Copy…
        (:-o (:-)

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Yeah, JONP would be the best place for it.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PS
        I think it’s actually Fields Medal not Field’s.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal

  • jousterusa

    This was an extremely well-written report. I felt it had real credibility, but I might not agree with Frank’s headline that the report is “imminent,” as in the next few days. The writer is a professional writer – someone like that fellow from Forbes, or someone from Wired. There were no typos and only one (slight) grammatical error, where he refers to Low Energy Reaction instead of Reactions. I sure hope the big news hits soon and stimulates the debate the writer hopes for, too.

    One thing puzzled me, which was the reference to “scientists from several continents” – I thought they were all from Europe. Is it possible Americans and Asians or even others are involved?

    • ecatworld

      Joe, the headline used was not mine — it was in the post as I received it, which is why I put it in quotes.

      • BroKeeper

        Frank, has anyone boldly stated the report “has been completed” before?

        • ecatworld

          Not that I recall.

      • jousterusa

        In that case, Frank, my apologies.

        BTW, Do you think you’ll get to my book on the E-Cat before the article is published?

    • hempenearth

      I believe European, American and either Chinese or Japanese scientists are involved (based on earlier posts in E Cat World)

      • jousterusa

        I appreciate that insight – thanks!

  • jousterusa

    This was an extremely well-written report. I felt it had real credibility, but I might not agree with Frank’s headline that the report is “imminent,” as in the next few days. The writer is a professional writer – someone like that fellow from Forbes, or someone from Wired. There were no typos and only one (slight) grammatical error, where he refers to Low Energy Reaction instead of Reactions. I sure hope the big news hits soon and stimulates the debate the writer hopes for, too.

    One thing puzzled me, which was the reference to “scientists from several continents” – I thought they were all from Europe. Is it possible Americans and Asians or even others are involved?

    • Frank Acland

      Joe, the headline used was not mine — it was in the post as I received it, which is why I put it in quotes.

      • Brokeeper

        Frank, has anyone boldly stated the report “has been completed” before?

        • Frank Acland

          Not that I recall.

      • jousterusa

        In that case, Frank, my apologies.

        BTW, Do you think you’ll get to my book on the E-Cat before the article is published?

    • hempenearth

      I believe European, American and either Chinese or Japanese scientists are involved (based on earlier posts in E Cat World)

      • jousterusa

        I appreciate that insight – thanks!

  • Did a search. This seems like the guy http://disqus.com/avatarpolymorph/

    • clovis ray

      Thanks Barry, he does seem somewhat uninformed,

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Imminent: “about to happen”

    I can only hope that the report is hours away, not days or weeks.

    As for the rest of the piece I agree with most of you that there is no new information at all in it. Should this be a regarded as some sort of press release, then I’m not sure all the focus on Rossi is a good idea. It should be more about the new invention and it’s worldwide impact. IMHO of course.

    • Timar

      Assuming this comment really contains insider information – I don’expect “imminent” to be less than four days because it would be undesirable to release the report on friday, let alone on the weekend (a 9/11 release would have been a foolish idea, anyway).

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        To be honest, I don’t really expect hours either. More likely 1 to 2 weeks. And I agree that 9/11 would probably not be the best idea.

        I do hope that with the report simultaneously the megawatt reactor will be available for visiting. That would be a strong backup to the report and possibly gain worldwide attention.

      • Broncobet

        Yes, but not too quickly.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Imminent: “about to happen”

    I can only hope that the report is hours away, not days or weeks.

    As for the rest of the piece I agree with most of you that there is no new information at all in it. Should this be a regarded as some sort of press release, then I’m not sure all the focus on Rossi is a good idea. It should be more about the new invention and it’s worldwide impact. IMHO of course.

    • Broncobet

      I’m pretty sure that if you make a guess as to the date of the release that that day will come and go with no release. I guessed Oct 5 and I’m sticking to it, a lot of you were sure in the Spring that it was any day, which it wasn’t.

    • Timar

      Assuming this comment really contains insider information – I don’expect “imminent” to be less than four days because it would be undesirable to release the report on friday, let alone on the weekend (a 9/11 release would have been a foolish idea, anyway).

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        To be honest, I don’t really expect hours either. More likely 1 to 2 weeks. And I agree that 9/11 would probably not be the best idea.

        I do hope that with the report simultaneously the megawatt reactor will be available for visiting. That would be a strong backup to the report and possibly gain worldwide attention.

  • Broncobet

    I found new information ,for me, in this release. I assumed that the test was of the E-Cat but he writes that it is the much more powerful Hot-Cat,high temperatures are so important in the energy field,that is why advanced nuclear is so good ,high temperatures. If AR can run a Hot-Cat with high temperatures continually that really would change the world. Now ask yourself, do you really think the world is about to make a great change? Hell no!! Things will go along as before so it’s unlikely but not impossible that the day of the Hot-Cat is neigh. As I have explained many times before, a great change can not come without announcing itself on the energy futures market. I assume nothing is happening so I never look there, some one tell me if you find that trend, then I’ll look.

    • Frank Acland

      Yes, the previous test was done with a Hot Cat also — this one is a follow up.

      • Am I correct that the previous test was with a Hot-Cat, but with no mouse attached? It saw no mouse in the pictures. The latest test is of a Hot-Cat with mouse. The COP should be better than the last test. Right?

        • Ophelia Rump

          Correct. At a minimum it should be better in direct proportion to the efficiency gained using the mouse. However as stability and temperature increase, so you would also expect the efficiency to increase.

          There is also the simple probability that they learn to fine tune more variables as they go along, increasing efficiency.

          For the benefits of the general public maybe we should discuss in terms of efficiency, and Leave COP behind.

          It gets N times more energy out than you put in, it is N-100% of the input energy efficient. We expect N to be about 11, making it 1,000% efficient or better.

          In this example N=COP

      • Broncobet

        TY

    • JDM

      I dunno…look at the 3-month chart of oil.

      • Broncobet

        OK you made me look. Oil’s down because of lots of supply and it is not too many years ago it was $20 a barrel. The signal for LENR will not be in the spot price as the announcement of LENR(that is believed by all) will not lower the need for oil in the short run, so it would manifest itself more in coal and natural gas than oil. And three and more years out so that adoption of LENR would lower coal and gas prices. Natural gas is so low in the US that it’s hard to make them go lower, we have oceans of gas coming to market. The signal of a low cost energy source will be a ratio of future cost curves, I have to admit that I may not be skillful enough to detect the signal, a better source would be a professional futures trader or an academic who studies this area. Really it will make so much more sense for LENR to be adopted where energy is more expensive like Europe or Japan and China than the US, we have cheap energy. If like me,you are concerned by the warming planet and acidification of the oceans, LENR would make sense in the US if lawmakers favor it with incentives like solar or wind. Looking at oil prices they have a lot of room to go down as we have wars all around oil and any sort of peace breaks out oil will find its way lower.

        • Guru

          during financial crisis consumption of oil go down 4%
          price go down from 140 USD/barrel to 43 USD/barrel
          so your signals are not so important
          and LENR as perspective – what is bigger danger for oil ?
          Crisis with 4% change or LENR ?

        • GreenWin

          Only back channel traders are shorting oil now. Because the implications of LENR are not “public.” But when the implications of LENR become public, the SEC will have a mountain work to find program trading based on insider information. Insider trading SEC investigations are a ripe arena for pathoskeps seeking employment.

    • Broncobet

      So I just looked at the natural gas futures and all the way to 2024 the prices are level about four dollars.that is dirt cheap the market shows that absent a government carbon tax or subsidy for low carbon emission heat, there is no incentive in the US for an alternative to cheap gas. I suppose if we look at these chart in the Spring and the 2024 price is $2.00 we could surmise the possible emergence of a LENR device. If the Hot-Cat can be configured for an auto that could reduce the demand for oil which is expensive enough that unlike natural gas has a lot of room to go down. But oil will go down soon of its own accord if more sources are not threatened by violence. The obvious solution in the US is to supply the transportation industry with natural gas as a fuel, which is happening slowly, starting with trucks using liquid natural gas, for deeper penetration more advanced fuel tanks are needed for cars. This would reduce demand for oil and put upward pressure on natural gas prices creating a natural market for LENR energy.

  • ecatworld

    Yes, the previous test was done with a Hot Cat also — this one is a follow up.

    • Christopher Calder

      Am I correct that the previous test was with a Hot-Cat, but with no mouse attached? It saw no mouse in the pictures. The latest test is of a Hot-Cat with mouse. The COP should be better than the last test. Right?

      • Ophelia Rump

        Correct.

    • Broncobet

      TY

  • Mark Szl

    I do not have a good place to post this, so I hope you don’t mind me asking this here. Excess energy in Ecat/LENR comes from somehow from somewhere at the subatomic level to heat things. Could this same thing be done to cool things. I do not mean using the heat from an Ecat to provide energy for a refrigerator. Instead of a white hot Ecat can you get a ice covered ecat from an LENR process directly?

    • clovis ray

      Hi Mark,
      i’m no expert, but i would say no. but there is a configuration, that can produce refrigeration,

    • For this you would have to “remove” all the energy inside the ecat. Low temperature near 0 K means to remove allmost all the kinetic energy of the atoms. And energetic (“moving”) atoms will always come in again.

      So you need energy to remove the energy.

    • fritz194

      There are various reports of fringe “zeropoint-energy” devices which are claimed to dissipate energy from the environment – but there is no single reference I know where the “anomalous heat effect” associate with “cold fusion” or LENR nor E-CAT is connected with this behaviour.
      But this should not mean that its impossible to use the (unknown) underlying physics in somewhat reverse manner.
      The purported cooling effect from these other devices is a by-product of extracting electrical energy – so they seem to follow the laws of energy conservation in terms of thermodynamics – in contrary to the e-cat – where the hidden “source” is purported to be somewhat nuclear.
      A “reverse e-cat” which could be used for direct cooling would build up mass in somewhat nuclear manner by dissipating energy from the environment – and I never heard of such device, well I know about black holes – but thats probably not what you are looking for.
      BTW: The e-cat was meant to be used for co-generation of heat and power – as well as for tri – generation for heating, cooling and power – but in this case the cooling is achieved in the classic way by using heat pumps.

      • Ted-X

        There are some speculations that the 4 deg. C at the bottom of tropical oceans is due to some unspecified endothermic nuclear reaction. Otherwise, the 4 deg. C is difficult to explain, as heat from the the crust (under the oceans the crust could be just 4 km) would warm it up. However, an alternative explanation would be streams of cold water from the polar regions… however, I do not think that such streams could contribute that much as is observed.
        It is a long shot, but this forum is tolerant to speculations, right?

        • bachcole

          You’re kidding, aren’t you? We are awash in speculations about all manner of things.

          • fritz194

            It took me a beer to postulate that – and it would be interesting if somebody else had this idea before. But its a good example how science got diverted into lots of single disciplines. Nernst effect is pretty known with semi and superconductors, when it comes to building transformers they hide the effect with material constants – so there is some chance that this effect is a parameter in earth electrical environment. There is no scientific proof that it is negligible. (…)

          • Broncobet

            Funny

        • fritz194

          Or it is a vivid example of a Nernst effect causing the magnetic anomalies. Just too big to be seen. -;)))

        • fritz194

          Fascinating… Can you provide links or sources for this assumptions ?

    • Mark Szl

      This reverse process does not have to remove all the energy but some just to have cooling. I do not see why knowing how pushing energy out from some nuclear source to the environment could not give one an idea to do the reverse…but i’m not a physicist. LOL

    • Broncobet

      Heat is energy so you can cool things with very hot steam, or electricity. If you use a heat pump the temperature of where you are dumping the heat matters.

    • Broncobet

      BTW Soon we will use magnetic refrigeration which will use about 25% less power.

  • georgehants

    Morning Roger, I have no time for anger that leads to violence etc. but it is part of the human survival system, fight or flight.
    Many children etc. have been saved by the rush of adreniline that brings anger and allows a person to do “impossible things in their defense.

  • JDM

    I dunno…look at the 3-month chart of oil.

    • Broncobet

      OK you made me look. Oil’s down because of lots of supply and it is not too many years ago it was $20 a barrel. The signal for LENR will not be in the spot price as the announcement of LENR(that is believed by all) will not lower the need for oil in the short run, so it would manifest itself more in coal and natural gas than oil. And three and more years out so that adoption of LENR would lower coal and gas prices. Natural gas is so low in the US that it’s hard to make them go lower, we have oceans of gas coming to market. The signal of a low cost energy source will be a ratio of future cost curves, I have to admit that I may not be skillful enough to detect the signal, a better source would be a professional futures trader or an academic who studies this area. Really it will make so much more sense for LENR to be adopted where energy is more expensive like Europe or Japan and China than the US, we have cheap energy. If like me,you are concerned by the warming planet and acidification of the oceans, LENR would make sense in the US if lawmakers favor it with incentives like solar or wind. Looking at oil prices they have a lot of room to go down as we have wars all around oil and any sort of peace breaks out oil will find its way lower.

      • GreenWin

        Only back channel traders are shorting oil now. Because the implications of LENR are not “public.” But when the implications of LENR become public, the SEC will have a mountain work to find program trading based on insider information. Insider trading SEC investigations are a ripe arena for pathoskeps seeking employment.

  • For this you would have to “remove” all the energy inside the ecat. Low temperature near 0 K means to remove allmost all the kinetic energy of the atoms. And energetic (“moving”) atoms will always come in again.

    So you need energy to remove the energy.

  • PappyYokum

    ” It is hard to underestimate the implications of cold fusion for global
    warming, energy politics and terrestrial and space transport.” Was he being funny, or did he mean “overestimate?”

  • fritz194

    There are various reports of fringe “zeropoint-energy” devices which are claimed to dissipate energy from the environment – but there is no single reference I know where the “anomalous heat effect” associate with “cold fusion” or LENR nor E-CAT is connected with this behaviour.
    But this should not mean that its impossible to use the (unknown) underlying physics in somewhat reverse manner.
    The purported cooling effect from these other devices is a by-product of extracting electrical energy – so they seem to follow the laws of energy conservation in terms of thermodynamics – in contrary to the e-cat – where the hidden “source” is purported to be somewhat nuclear.
    A “reverse e-cat” which could be used for direct cooling would build up mass in somewhat nuclear manner by dissipating energy from the environment – and I never heard of such device, well I know about black holes – but thats probably not what you are looking for.
    BTW: The e-cat was meant to be used for co-generation of heat and power – as well as for tri – generation for heating, cooling and power – but in this case the cooling is achieved in the classic way by using heat pumps.

    • Ted-X

      There are some speculations that the 4 deg. C at the bottom of tropical oceans is due to some unspecified endothermic nuclear reaction. Otherwise, the 4 deg. C is difficult to explain, as heat from the the crust (under the oceans the crust could be just 4 km) would warm it up. However, an alternative explanation would be streams of cold water from the polar regions… however, I do not think that such streams could contribute that much as is observed.
      It is a long shot, but this forum is tolerant to speculations, right?

      • fritz194

        Or it is a vivid example of a Nernst effect causing the magnetic anomalies. Just too big to be seen. -;)))

      • fritz194

        Fascinating… Can you provide links or sources for this assumptions ?

  • VYT

    It is very likely that in e-cat, the Rossi effect is based on the decay of lithium nuclei. In support of this we have:

    1. Lithium is present in e-cat.

    2. Lithium nuclei can decay to alpha particle after interaction with protons.
    Wiki: “When 7Li is bombarded by accelerated protons 8Be is formed, which undergoes fission to form two alpha particles. This feat, called “splitting the atom” at the time, was the first fully man-made nuclear reaction.”

    3. Alpha particles absorbed and transformed into thermal radiation very efficiently and without any secondary radiation.

    Wiki: “Radioisotope thermoelectric generator.
    1. It should produce high energy radiation. Energy release per decay is proportional to power production per mole. Alpha decays in general release about 10 times as much energy as the beta decay of strontium-90 or caesium-137.

    2. Radiation must be of a type easily absorbed and transformed into thermal radiation, preferably alpha radiation. Beta radiation can emit considerable gamma/X-ray radiation through bremsstrahlung secondary radiation production and therefore requires heavy shielding. Isotopes must not produce significant amounts of gamma, neutron radiation or penetrating radiation in general through other decay modes or decay chain products”

    4. Lithium was present even in Fleischmann–Pons experiments, as electrolyte. Both lithium and deuterium were recovered from electrolyte on a palladium cathode.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Indeed the benefit of this explanation is that one needs only one “miracle” for tunnelling through the Coulomb barrier, not additional miracles to explain the lack of radiation. But where do we know that the E-cat contains lithium? I remember reading such speculations, but I may have missed stronger evidence(?)

      In the F-P case one mystery would be, however, that if D+Li6->2a occurs, then why don’t tritium and neutron producing DD reactions occur also, because they have lower Coulomb barriers than DLi6. Or maybe it’s a hint, rather than mystery.

      • artefact

        There were speculations in Mats Lewans book. These are mentioned here: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/04/26/lithium-the-case-for-an-e-cat-catalyst-guest-post/
        Good to have you back.

      • I don’t believe that it has ever been confirmed, but it seems a reasonable guess that when Rossi was focusing on the ‘home’ e-cat concept, that he would have looked for alternatives to the compressed hydrogen source used in the ‘plumbing fittings’ prototype (which could not have passed safety certification procedures). One of the obvious things to have tried may well have been the inclusion of thermally decomposed hydrides such as lithium hydride or lithium borohydride in the sealed reactor core.

        The ‘hot cat’ design seems to function without pressurised hydrogen (it’s hard to imagine the fireclay end seals in the ‘demo’ units retaining an H2 internal atmosphere for long) so maybe a continual supply is generated in these units by similar means.

        Of course, this wouldn’t explain the apparent anomalous thermal output from the prototype before any addition of lithium hydrides, but perhaps there is some ‘second miracle’ deriving from Rossi’s secret catalyst – whatever that might be.

      • VYT

        As artefact mentioned below, the source for information about lithium in e-cat is Mats Lewans book.

        Yes, probably a good hint for a simple experiment – old experimantal scheme of electrolysis with and without Li.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Yeah, and Li-7 (92.5 %) is more abundant than Li-6 (7.5%).
      Li-6 is needed to make tritium for ITER.
      Li(6) + n > He(4) + H(3) 4.78 MeV

      By the way, although F&P used LiOD as the electrolyte, some researchers used D2SO4 as the electrolyte and the D2 (gas) – palladium systems have no lithium (Les Case’s football, 36.35 min. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k )

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Oh but wait, Sven Kullander found lithium in the ash that wasn’t there initially.
        So, it might be the following:

        3H2(1) >3H2(1) Bose gas > Li(6) + 3 e+ 28.1 MeV

        (But we don’t see the gamma ray from electron-positron annihilation. So, maybe not.)

        • LENR does not work classically.

          if you follow hydroton theory it maybe be pep-like fusion with electron included. energy is difused as x-ray or smaller quanta.

          it is true we are missing data, but sure energy is produced at MeV level and not emmited so… sure h/d/t fusion is aneutronic, so includes electron.

          there should be more research about Li6 production.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            I was glad to see that a patent on Rossi’s catalyst is in the works. Without any real data my imagination goes wild.
            I think I’ll go back to thinking about “soft” polarizable transition metal-hydride bonds until the report comes out.
            http://coldfusionnow.org/peter-gluck-and-yeong-e-kim-on-lenr-research/

          • bachcole

            {deep and satisfying chuckle} I’ll go back to figuring out why skeptopaths are afraid of change.

            I bet you solve your riddle before I solve my riddle. (:->)

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Maybe Rossi was experimenting with different nickel alloys and tried this nickel-lithium alloy.
      http://www.google.com/patents/US3383204

  • Jonnyb

    Please hurry!

  • Jonnyb

    Please hurry!

  • Axil Axil

    Avatar Polymorph was
    born in the storeroom of a Canberra hospital on 5 May 1961, the same day that
    Alan Shepard became the first American to leave planet Earth and travel into
    space. His father’s family has been involved in South Australian and national politics
    for a number of generations. His mother’s family came to Australia as refugees
    from Lithuania in 1949. He has a history degree from Adelaide University and
    worked for several years as a policy adviser in the PM’s Department in Canberra
    and later for the Victorian Premier’s Department. He has continued to write
    occasional fiction and also on nanotechnology, futurology and spirituality
    (including under his current name, Avatar Polymorph). Ill from 1996 to 2007, he
    has been based around Fitzroy, Melbourne, since 1990, including for various
    Performance Art and other art projects.

    Interview

    http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/162-transhumanist-activist-avatar-polymorph/

  • Axil Axil

    Avatar Polymorph was
    born in the storeroom of a Canberra hospital on 5 May 1961, the same day that
    Alan Shepard became the first American to leave planet Earth and travel into
    space. His father’s family has been involved in South Australian and national politics
    for a number of generations. His mother’s family came to Australia as refugees
    from Lithuania in 1949. He has a history degree from Adelaide University and
    worked for several years as a policy adviser in the PM’s Department in Canberra
    and later for the Victorian Premier’s Department. He has continued to write
    occasional fiction and also on nanotechnology, futurology and spirituality
    (including under his current name, Avatar Polymorph). Ill from 1996 to 2007, he
    has been based around Fitzroy, Melbourne, since 1990, including for various
    Performance Art and other art projects.

    Interview

    http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/162-transhumanist-activist-avatar-polymorph/

  • Bob

    While we wait for the TIP2 report, can anyone update us on :

    Allen Smiths HHO experiment – Last I heard was that he had a back pressure issue
    that caused some damage. My understanding was that there should have been repairs and more tests done by this time. Has anyone heard of any updates? I believe Mr. Smith has posted here before, perhaps he could give an update. (Hopefully there was not a more major incident where he was injured and unable to respond!!!)

    I have not seen any updates or posts at MFMP since June? For a while, they were posting updates regularly. Then Mr. Ahern joined and it looked like something might be happening, but then the updates pretty much came to a stand still. Are they still active? Anyone have any confirmed news?

    Mr. Swartz / JET Energy was set to make some announcements and I believe they stated that their NANOR device was available. I have heard nothing of them for several months.

    It seems all the players have really clammed up with the exception of the occasional post by Rossi. What gives? Inquiring minds want to KNOW! 🙂

    • bob-v

      complete the list with Defkalion, Brilloin, Piantelli and others…. news come after succsess, no news, no succsess….that’s only normal

      • Bob

        Or it could be that much success has brought about the lawyers and their positioning to cover every aspect possible with every legal tool available.

        Heck, even the auto industry masks concept cars with false panels, tape and plastic parts when testing so that prying eyes cannot see what is coming out. I can imagine that if someone has confirmed results of a significant nature concerning energy sources that will be revolutionary, then the cloak and daggers come out!

        I actually almost think the reverse is likely. No success means no money, so the dog and pony shows start up to try to rake in cash. Sound familiar with someone recently? 🙂

        I think the up and up players like Brillion, Swartz, MFMP and yes, Rossi/IH, are more likely positioning themselves to utilize as much legal landscape as possible.

        That is why I was so surprised with MFMP. They were very open. If things did not go as planned, they still posted it. They had nothing to hide. Now if they had undeniable proof, that openess might well be diminished by the strong arm of the legal departments. Who knows? Does anyone?

        -Bob

        • pelgrim108

          MFMP is still going strong.
          They have a nickel hydrogen reactor that is now ( as of today) starting to go overunity. 5w in 5.061w out. 0.061w excess heat.
          They post graphs and updates every day and even have a google thing where you can watch the values multiple times per day.

          Here you can follow the progress (you have to scroll down in the first window to where you can see the last post and then click on that link)
          http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/powder-test-cells/374-google-drive-embed-test

          Here is their latest post https://www.evernote.com/shard/s340/sh/e33b074d-eebc-43bb-a4fa-2162c52b67ab/73231fa2041e92d33af07a5366a7d8ba

          They are also building a ni h cell with an embedded sparker.

          • bachcole

            I just realized that the flip side of knowing that something is possible will spur other people to try to do it is that knowing that something is possible may cause other people to think that they have done it, particularly when the COP is 1.056.

          • pelgrim108

            I dont think that MFMP is reading to much in that number 1.056.
            They are not writing about it like they “have done it”. That just me.

          • bachcole

            1.012. But it is promising.

          • DJC

            1.01 means they have to have all measurement better than 1%. That is really hard with heat measurements.

          • fact police

            COP = 5.061/5 = 1.012

          • bachcole

            Thank you. I was more concerned about the principle than the details.

    • As far as I know Bob, anyone can purchase a NANOR. The downside is the cost for one is $$$,$$$.$$. I think all Cold Fusion eyes are on Rossi right now.

      If the results are negative (I don’t believe they will be) the repercussions are going to be enormous.

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        If the results are negative, the whole field could be setback several years. I think many big players in this game are waiting for the results of the biggest player and if the results don’t live up to expectations then many will lose faith.

        If Rossi turns out to be fake (or a cop of 1.1) I personally will lose faith in this technology as a potential future power source also.

        • Timar

          I agree but if the results were negative I think that 1) the report would already have been released at arxiv.org without much ado and/or 2) IH would have figured out by now that they had been fooled by a con artist and abashedly issued a press release announcing the termination of their cooperation with Rossi.

        • bachcole

          That would of course be silly and probably sour grapes. A COP of 5 has already been proven. This latest unpublished test is to prove that it can be commercialized. That is merely a engineering challenge. I admit that I might lose a degree of interest for a few years or so, but I would not lose faith. In actuality, I have no faith to lose; I know that LENR+ is real. When (not if) human beings can make it a viable commercial energy source is the question.

  • Fortyniner

    Well said. As an agnostic tending towards atheism, to my shame I am probably rather less tolerant of religious viewpoints than you are of atheistic ones.

  • bachcole

    I reluctantly find myself agreeing with you. I say reluctantly because atheism is stagnating spiritually, but many religious are de facto worshipping their book rather than the Infinite Ocean of Consciousness. But when the Christians are singing praise songs to Jesus for 30 minutes, I be rockin’.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Indeed the benefit of this explanation is that one needs only one “miracle” for tunnelling through the Coulomb barrier, not additional miracles to explain the lack of radiation. But where do we know that the E-cat contains lithium? I remember reading such speculations, but I may have missed stronger evidence(?)

    In the F-P case one mystery would be, however, that if D+Li6->2a occurs, then why don’t tritium and neutron producing DD reactions occur also, because they have lower Coulomb barriers than DLi6. Or maybe it’s a hint, rather than mystery.

    • artefact

      There were speculations in Mats Lewans book. These are mentioned here: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/04/26/lithium-the-case-for-an-e-cat-catalyst-guest-post/
      Good to have you back.

    • Fortyniner

      I don’t believe that it has ever been confirmed, but it seems a reasonable guess that when Rossi was focusing on the ‘home’ e-cat concept, that he would have looked for alternatives to the compressed hydrogen source used in the ‘plumbing fittings’ prototype (which could not have passed safety certification procedures). One of the obvious things to have tried may well have been the inclusion of thermally decomposed hydrides such as lithium hydride or lithium borohydride in the sealed reactor core.

      The ‘hot cat’ design seems to function without pressurised hydrogen (it’s hard to imagine the fireclay end seals in the ‘demo’ units retaining an H2 internal atmosphere for long) so maybe a continual supply is generated in these units by similar means.

      Of course, this wouldn’t explain the apparent anomalous thermal output from the prototype before any addition of lithium hydrides, but perhaps there is some ‘second miracle’ deriving from Rossi’s secret catalyst – whatever that might be.

    • VYT

      As artefact mentioned below, the source for information about lithium in e-cat is Mats Lewans book.

      Yes, probably a good hint for a simple experiment – old experimantal scheme of electrolysis with and without Li.

  • bob-v

    complete the list with Defkalion, Brilloin, Piantelli and others…. news come after succsess, no news, no succsess….that’s only normal

    • Bob

      Or it could be that much success has brought about the lawyers and their positioning to cover every aspect possible with every legal tool available.

      Heck, even the auto industry masks concept cars with false panels, tape and plastic parts when testing so that prying eyes cannot see what is coming out. I can imagine that if someone has confirmed results of a significant nature concerning energy sources that will be revolutionary, then the cloak and daggers come out!

      I actually almost think the reverse is likely. No success means no money, so the dog and pony shows start up to try to rake in cash. Sound familiar with someone recently? 🙂

      I think the up and up players like Brillion, Swartz, MFMP and yes, Rossi/IH, are more likely positioning themselves to utilize as much legal landscape as possible.

      That is why I was so surprised with MFMP. They were very open. If things did not go as planned, they still posted it. They had nothing to hide. Now if they had undeniable proof, that openess might well be diminished by the strong arm of the legal departments. Who knows? Does anyone?

      -Bob

    • fritz194

      It took me a beer to postulate that – and it would be interesting if somebody else had this idea before. But its a good example how science got diverted into lots of single disciplines. Nernst effect is pretty known with semi and superconductors, when it comes to building transformers they hide the effect with material constants – so there is some chance that this effect is a parameter in earth electrical environment. There is no scientific proof that it is negligible. (…)

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Maybe Rossi was experimenting with different nickel alloys and tried this nickel-lithium alloy.
    http://www.google.com/patents/US3383204

  • pelgrim108

    I dont think that MFMP is reading to much in that number 1.056.
    They are not writing about it like they “have done it”. That just me.

    • bachcole

      1.012. But it is promising.

      • DJC

        1.01 means they have to have all measurement better than 1%. That is really hard with heat measurements.

  • fact police

    COP = 5.061/5 = 1.012

    • bachcole

      Thank you. I was more concerned about the principle than the details.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    If the results are negative, the whole field could be setback several years. I think many big players in this game are waiting for the results of the biggest player and if the results don’t live up to expectations then many will lose faith.

    If Rossi turns out to be fake (or a cop of 1.1) I personally will lose faith in this technology as a potential future power source also.

    • bachcole

      That would of course be silly and probably sour grapes. A COP of 5 has already been proven. This latest unpublished test is to prove that it can be commercialized. That is merely a engineering challenge. I admit that I might lose a degree of interest for a few years or so, but I would not lose faith. In actuality, I have no faith to lose; I know that LENR+ is real. When (not if) human beings can make it a viable commercial energy source is the question.