Sterling Allan Interviews Mats Lewan

Sterling Allan of PESN has conducted an interview on his This Week in Free Energy radio program with Swedish technology journalist Mats Lewan, well known follower of LENR and E-Cat news. Allan and Lewan spend most of the program discussing the report published by the European testing team about the E-Cat test.

Lewan still takes a cautious approach about the E-Cat, but that he believes there are sufficient indications that this technology might work, and for this reason the media should look at it because of the great potential the technology has. He thinks it has the potential to solve many energy problems and change geopolitical dynamics.
However even with these recent test results Lewan does not think that we are yet a point with this report for the door to open for widespread acceptance.

You can hear the interview below — Mats comes on at about the 9 minute mark.

  • pelgrim108

    I think Mats Lewan did a great job advocating for more research and validation.

  • pelgrim108

    I think Mats Lewan did a great job advocating for more research and validation.

  • Christopher Calder

    Sterling is a likable guy, but there is no such thing as “free energy”. Low cost energy is possible, however. I wish Sterling would stop reporting hoax energy stories from the Phillipines and perpetual motion machines. I am posting this here because I hope he reads it. He does publish some very good stories on authentic new energy sources, but he seems not to have a built-in intuitive lie detector and he sometimes lacks common sense. I am glad his website exists, but I wish he could clean it up so that it would be more credible to mainstream scientists.

    • sterlingda

      That’s what people were saying about the E-Cat. “It’s bogus. It’s a fraud.”

      What do you mean “no such thing as free energy.” Solar is free. Wind is free, Geothermal is free. Tide, etc. These are conventional plugs into the wheelwork of nature, and there are 25 of those. Why can’t you believe that there are yet another 25 still “unconventional” plugs that also harvest the wheelwork of nature, free for the taking.
      http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Conventional_and_Exotic_%22Free_Energy%22_Genres

      I believe in giving things that look promising some air time to see what comes of them. With 57 independent versions of the QMoGen, and two visual witnesses who have reported on two of those, I take them very serious, and expect they will be in the market years before the E-Cat; could be months from now, or weeks.
      http://QMoGen.com

      • Ged

        I think Christopher means “free energy” as in violating the second law of thermal dynamics (work is only generated by energy flowing down hill). None of your main examples, nor the e-cat, violate that entropy law. They aren’t “free energy” in that way. It’s an important distinction between economic source “free” and scientific “free”. Still, Sterling’s site serves the point to bring out new ideas from the noise. He won’t often be right, but he doesn’t need to be.

      • Christopher Calder

        The entire universe is free, but collecting wind energy with windmills is absurdly costly and collecting solar energy with solar cells is even more costly and futile for large scale energy production. What I am talking about is perpetual motion machines and people who are just trying to make a buck off the naive. Obvious scams should not be given the same headline status as serious science. That is all I am saying. It waters down your credibility to do so.

      • Curbina

        I have been visiting Peswiki since 2004, and if anything I praise Sterling for the capacity of keeping such a controversial site and covering such a wide range of topics for all this time against all odds. Surely one can have a different point of view, and Sterling has always been honest that his aim is to give these issues some visibility, in the hope that at least one of these controversial technologies is real, under the “the not throwing the baby with the bathwater” principle. He has been taken for a ride a couple of times, and from that I’m sure he has learnt a lot, along with all of us who compose his readership. The Qmogen and Daniel Dingle perhaps are not your cup of tea, nor are mine, but I would haver never known them without Sterling, to make my own mind about them.

      • Omega Z

        Sterling
        The turf you cover tends to draw abuse. I’ve often wondered if stating nearly free or cheap would hurt or help your site. Free tends to turn some people off, because even free requires the cost of harvesting the energy. Anyway, It’s a conundrum.

        However, I agree. Early on, who else would have given the E-cat a home. It wasn’t welcome anywhere else. It kind of goes with the fringe science.
        You provide an often unappreciated service in a field that is highly hit or miss. It brings to mind Forrest Gump, it’s like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get.

        To your credit, I’m aware that you have called people out for fraud, just mistaken or wrong. Neither do most realize you put your self at Risk, And I’m not talking about just being involved with experiments & tests going awry. I imagine more then 1 disgruntled inventor has threatened to knock you block off or worse. Verbal abuse would be the norm. Especially from commentors.

        If some think over time you’ve become a little paranoid, I would remind them that you may have good reason. What you do can really upset some people in all walks of life.

        Personally, I greatly appreciate the service, effort & sacrifice that people like you & Frank Acland among many others provide..

        Have a nice day. OZ.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Curiously the device form the Phillipines story was not a hoax.

      That device actually worked, They made a between 20 and 40 thousand of them and were going to sell them in Japan when the Japanese discovered two things.

      1, It was designed that if you breached the casing the device was booby trapped to become incendiary. The housing was filled with an inert gas, the metal rods burst into flames on contact with air.

      2, If you had more than one in proximity to one another there were extreme interference effects of some unpleasant sort.

      The Japanese government confiscated the devices. I assume they will sell the devices to North Korea if they ever go to war with them.

      I feel dirty having to defend Sterling. Please do not make me do it again.

      • Omega Z

        Ophelia
        When slandered & attacked for prolonged periods of time, it is easy to become paranoid & adapt to tin foil hats.
        Comes with the Territory he covers.
        Note: “Just because one is paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t after them”

    • Daniel Maris

      Have you never had the benefit of the sun heating up your house during the day? That’s free energy.

      • Sanjeev

        All energy (and other material resources) are essentially free.
        It however takes money, information and manpower to exploit them, and that’s the whole problem. Any tech which minimizes these three factors comes closer to being “free”.

    • Omega Z

      Christopher
      I understand what your saying, but you can’t always be certain which is what. It would be easy to miss the real deal. You could include Rossi in this early on.
      I would note that if Sterling determines without doubt that fraud is involved or they are proven mistaken, he has to his credit posted or published it in the past.

      • Omega Z

        PS
        Yes, Agreed, he should change the term Free to Cheap. Much more believable.

  • Sterling is a likable guy, but there is no such thing as “free energy”. Low cost energy is possible, however. I wish Sterling would stop reporting hoax energy stories from the Phillipines and perpetual motion machines. I am posting this here because I hope he reads it. He does publish some very good stories on authentic new energy sources, but he seems not to have a built-in intuitive lie detector and he sometimes lacks common sense. I am glad his website exists, but I wish he could clean it up so that it would be more credible to mainstream scientists.

    • sterlingda

      That’s what people were saying about the E-Cat. “It’s bogus. It’s a fraud.”

      What do you mean “no such thing as free energy.” Solar is free. Wind is free, Geothermal is free. Tide, etc. These are conventional plugs into the wheelwork of nature, and there are 25 of those. Why can’t you believe that there are yet another 25 still “unconventional” plugs that also harvest the wheelwork of nature, free for the taking.
      http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Conventional_and_Exotic_%22Free_Energy%22_Genres

      I believe in giving things that look promising some air time to see what comes of them. With 57 independent versions of the QMoGen, and two visual witnesses who have reported on two of those, I take them very serious, and expect they will be in the market years before the E-Cat; could be months from now, or weeks.
      http://QMoGen.com

      • Ged

        I think Christopher means “free energy” as in violating the second law of thermal dynamics (work is only generated by energy flowing down hill). None of your main examples, nor the e-cat, violate that entropy law. They aren’t “free energy” in that way. It’s an important distinction between economic source “free” and scientific “free”. Still, Sterling’s site serves the point to bring out new ideas from the noise. He won’t often be right, but he doesn’t need to be.

      • The entire universe is free, but collecting wind energy with windmills is absurdly costly and collecting solar energy with solar cells is even more costly and futile for large scale energy production. What I am talking about is perpetual motion machines and people who are just trying to make a buck off the naive. Obvious scams should not be given the same headline status as serious science. That is all I am saying. It waters down your credibility to do so.

      • Guru

        Dear Sterling, it is total discreditation of Your website, when You greatly support and propagandize such horrible hoaxes as Rohner (who gifted You notebook and You advance him into Top 5), Indian Scammer (who bought You airline ticket and You advance him into Top 5) etc., etc. etc.
        You routinely propagandize every low grade scammer with IQ 85, It is sufficient when such scammer told You “I have QMoGen, I measure XX out and Y in” and You without professional independent confirmation immediatelly advance such scammers. These 57 QMoGens are all measurement errors or outright scams.
        Your “visual witnesses” have the same level of professionality as You when You fly in South Africe and instead of test, You go to lunch. These South African lunatics until today are not capable to demoing something tangible.
        Real technologies are E-Cat/Hot-Cat and HephaHeat (more and more similar with every new iterations). Others (SHT etc.) are years far to marketable products, and hundreds others are pure scam.
        Your fanatism with You propagandize every dirty scammer (with no smallest proof) is simply destroy You.

      • Curbina

        I have been visiting Peswiki since 2004, and if anything I praise Sterling for the capacity of keeping such a controversial site and covering such a wide range of topics for all this time against all odds. Surely one can have a different point of view, and Sterling has always been honest that his aim is to give these issues some visibility, in the hope that at least one of these controversial technologies is real, under the “the not throwing the baby with the bathwater” principle. He has been taken for a ride a couple of times, and from that I’m sure he has learnt a lot, along with all of us who compose his readership. The Qmogen and Daniel Dingle perhaps are not your cup of tea, nor are mine, but I would have never known them without Sterling, to make my own mind about them.

      • Omega Z

        Sterling
        The turf you cover tends to draw abuse. I’ve often wondered if stating nearly free or cheap would hurt or help your site. Free tends to turn some people off, because even free requires the cost of harvesting the energy. Anyway, It’s a conundrum.

        However, I agree. Early on, who else would have given the E-cat a home. It wasn’t welcome anywhere else. It kind of goes with the fringe science.
        You provide an often unappreciated service in a field that is highly hit or miss. It brings to mind Forrest Gump, it’s like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get.

        To your credit, I’m aware that you have called people out for fraud, just mistaken or wrong. Neither do most realize you put your self at Risk, And I’m not talking about just being involved with experiments & tests going awry. I imagine more then 1 disgruntled inventor has threatened to knock you block off or worse. Verbal abuse would be the norm. Especially from commentors.

        If some think over time you’ve become a little paranoid, I would remind them that you may have good reason. What you do can really upset some people in all walks of life.

        Personally, I greatly appreciate the service, effort & sacrifice that people like you & Frank Acland among many others provide..

        Have a nice day. OZ.

      • Guru

        Dear Sterling,
        shortly: In India or in USA it is possible and easy to scam some public folks, even when scammer has IQ around 85-90 level. In Sweden for example it is not so easy.
        Also in USA around 40 million folks are illiterate or partially illiterate. When some simplex reader read Your website and understand every second word and see some foggy photos and see Your propaganda about Rohner and Himansh, it is real danger such reader may be easy misguided.
        So because You arise from different culture circles, where every word is true, so You now operate in real world where 80 % of articles is lie, dirty propaganda, glorification of out of court executions, war is peace, STASI was poormen because they don’t spying 100,00 % of citizens and even children etc.
        In such real world it is important for You to write about every new “inventor” a few facts (for example):
        – this inventor refuse a third party independent test
        – this inventor refuse public demo
        – this inventor allowed only short inspection where 70% of time will lunch, not test
        – this inventor claim he applied for patent, although he don’t remember name of this patent application and don’t remember ID number
        – this inventor claim 30 kW output, although no one witnessed this and some tramway driver saw one 1kW heater connected to this (input not measured)

        When You will such amended EVERY suspicious scammer “inventor”, You of course will have lesser gifts, lesser free notebooks and lesser number of free air tickets, nevertheless after circa 550 fiascos, criminal causes and crashed demos You may get back some credibility.
        Rossi/IH and such level third party test is good starting point and some basic level bar. Their report is written intentionally in such tone, that 100 000 directors, CEOs and investors will again lightly confused and will continue in misguided investing and building coal and nuke powerplants and waste/burn 3 to 9 billion USD PER DAY in such wrong capital misallocation. This third party report was written with such target – prolonged old fashioned capital waste.
        If they would on mind a stop this waste capital misallocation, they conduct three runs: one mock-up, one with full time power input and third with 70% self-sustain mode and CoP around 11 or more plus measured magnetic field around reactor.

        Their report is looking like some brakes buil in mind or GeStaPo supervisor behind door.

    • tobalt

      Same. Terms like free energy automatically make me quit the websites. .. i wish stories such as the ecat would not be mixed by such guys into the many other topics like conspiration theories and perpetual motiin stuff. The ecat is strikingly more similar to burning coal than to any kind of “free” or “infinite” energy bs.

      reporting of ecat on such websites does nothing but *HARM* the acceptance of the ecat in the mainstream. Fact.

      • Omega Z

        Many a good things on the Fringe will be found in these places.
        Just a fact. They usually aren’t welcome anywhere else.
        Sad but true…

    • Ophelia Rump

      Curiously the device from the Phillipines story was not a hoax.
      I forget what that one was called

      That device actually worked, They made a between 20 and 40 thousand of them and were going to sell them in Japan when the Japanese discovered two things.

      1, It was designed that if you breached the casing the device was booby trapped to become incendiary. The housing was filled with an inert gas, the metal rods burst into flames on contact with air. If it was made with rubidium which gave it that property, it would also explode when exposed to water.

      2, If you had more than one in proximity to one another there were extreme interference effects of some unpleasant sort.

      In the history of bad devices, this has to be my favorite.

      The Japanese government confiscated the devices. I assume they will sell the devices to North Korea if they ever go to war with them.

      I do not know if this information is on Stirling’s site, but if it is, he is exonerated of your accusation.

      I feel dirty having to defend Sterling. Please do not make me do it again.
      His site was the best of it’s kind on the web for years, until he started censoring comments and donned the tinfoil hat like a paranoid at a microwave convention.

      I do wonder if he ever got the device from his Africa trip. I would love to hear the conclusion of that story.

      • Omega Z

        Ophelia
        When slandered & attacked for prolonged periods of time, it is easy to become paranoid & adapt to tin foil hats.
        Comes with the Territory he covers.
        Note: “Just because one is paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t after them”

    • Omega Z

      Christopher
      I understand what your saying, but you can’t always be certain which is what. It would be easy to miss the real deal. You could include Rossi in this early on.
      I would note that if Sterling determines without doubt that fraud is involved or they are proven mistaken, he has to his credit posted or published it in the past.

      • Omega Z

        PS
        Yes, Agreed, he should change the term Free to Cheap. Much more believable.

  • Barry8

    In retrospect, I think Mats was given the first rights to the report story. Well deserved.

  • In retrospect, I think Mats was given the first rights to the report story. Well deserved.

  • Dana Troxel

    Why would Rossi or Industrial Heat open up the fuel powder/ash for analysis? Aren’t they giving away secrets? Simple answer is Rossi himself would not do it. He has rightfully kept things close to his chest for years now. But I believe Tom Darden was sincere in his comment earlier that he wants to get rid of coal, money is not his first focus. He runs the ship that owns the ecat now and so we are seeing a strange dynamic play out between IH and Rossi. Could Darden be just as anxious as us to find out if what he financed is as real as he hopes it is and/or probably has had people he trusts inform him that it could be? Only opening things up to public analysis will get him to that end realization. If others can replicate more power to them in his mind. Sounds like there are probably enough problems to keep them all very busy. Added publicity may help money to flow and keep things moving at the needed pace in the proper direction. Added scrutiny will help flesh out operational theory behind the ecat which as Mats Lewan pointed out in this interview is crucial for long term industrialization.

    • Sanjeev

      Yes, they have given away many secrets. I guess it happened only because the patent office demanded an independent proof of it being a nuclear reaction.
      I also think that the investors and his partners in China also wanted a more robust proof before throwing a few billion in the project. I see the only way to do this is via this report.

      I also think (ya too much guessing), that IH has reached a significant milestone in the development of this tech, because of this they are not afraid of letting out some clues, they know that they are way ahead.

      Tom’s statement that he is not after the money, suggests that he is well aware that he and his partners will not be able to monopolize this technology for long term. This feeling of his is reflected in his words – “I don’t care who gets there first.”

    • Omega Z

      Rossi has stated that more info can now be released because they have additional patents filed. Previously some of this wasn’t in the patents. Likely because things were R&D and not fully determined as finalized parts of the process.

  • Sanjeev

    I was hoping for some gems, but the interview says nothing new, its a decent interview anyway.

    Sterling tells in the beginning that the full report was mistakenly leaked with all “secrets” when they intended to release only a 15 page report for the public. I thinks its BS.

    As told by Rossi the 15 page version was for publication in a journal and as told by one of the testers they wanted to keep all pages because all were important for publication.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      There are many science journals without page limitations, anyway. Nearly all journals have the policy of encouraging concise papers, but it doesn’t mean that important information should be left out.

  • Sanjeev

    I was hoping for some gems, but the interview says nothing new, its a decent interview anyway.

    Sterling tells in the beginning that the full report was mistakenly leaked with all “secrets” when they intended to release only a 15 page report for the public. I thinks its BS.

    As told by Rossi the 15 page version was for publication in a journal and as told by one of the testers they wanted to keep all pages because all were important for publication.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      There are many science journals without page limitations, anyway. Nearly all journals have the policy of encouraging concise papers, but it doesn’t mean that important information should be left out.

  • Sanjeev

    Yes, they have given away many secrets. I guess it happened only because the patent office demanded an independent proof of it being a nuclear reaction.
    I also think that the investors and his partners in China also wanted a more robust proof before throwing a few billion in the project. I see the only way to do this is via this report.

    I also think (ya too much guessing), that IH has reached a significant milestone in the development of this tech, because of this they are not afraid of letting out some clues, they know that they are way ahead.

    Tom’s statement that he is not after the money, suggests that he is well aware that he and his partners will not be able to monopolize this technology for long term. This feeling of his is reflected in his words – “I don’t care who gets there first.”

  • elmo

    If speaking about Rossi’s “secrets” like what is the catalyst etc – let me tell You that almost all elements may be fuel in this reaction. Led and copper after being burnt in reaction give gold as waste byproduct

  • Omega Z

    Rossi has stated that more info can now be released because they have additional patents filed. Previously some of this wasn’t in the patents. Likely because things were R&D and not fully determined as finalized parts of the process.

  • Omega Z

    Many a good things on the Fringe will be found in these places.
    Just a fact. They usually aren’t welcome anywhere else.
    Sad but true…