More Details on Lockheed’s Compact Fusion Project Provided by Team Leader

An article by Daniel Clery at the American Association for the Advancement of Science’s news site ScienceInsider reports about new information presented at a news conference held at Lockheed’s Palmdale, California facility on Monday in which Tom McGuire, who is heading up Lockheed’s recently announced ‘compact fusion’ project, gave more information about the work he is involved with.

According to McGuire, the reason the normally very secretive Skunk Works division at Lockheed went public with this news is that they are seeking to find partners to help them in developing their fusion reactor, and expand the small team that has been working on the project. McGuire stated, ““we think we’ve invented something that is inherently stable . . . [but] we are very early in the scientific process.””

Apparently this reactor uses a design referred to as ‘cusp confinement’, which uses magnetic fields to trap particles. They also use ‘magnetic mirrors’ and a recirculation system to ensure that particles do not escape the reactor.

McGuire said that there would need to be shielding around the reactor with a thickness of between 80 and 150 centimeters to prevent the release of neutrons. No data from testing has been release yet, but McGuire said that results would be published next year.

All in all, it seems to me that while scientifically interesting, Lockheed’s system is a long way behind Rossi’s E-Cat reactor in terms of product development, simplicity, safety and performance. When it comes to commercial availability, indications are that the fist commercial E-Cat plant is in the testing phase as we speak (but we can’t count success yet) — and the Lockheed fusion reactors seem to be at least a decade away.

I do think Lockheed is ahead in one area — public awareness and media attention. Since the announcement of this project last week, the Lockheed fusion story has been covered in mainstream media sources across the globe (see here for a sample of links from Google News) — and the video Lockheed released has had almost half a million views so far on YouTube. The recent release of the Lugano E-Cat test report has barely made a ripple in the media.

 

 

  • If IH put out a story and a video it would get a lot more press, but I don’t think press is what they want right now. Wish they would stop thinking like mega-capitalist and support the Ecat’s legacy because it leaves Rossi to deal with a lot of the negative criticism.

    • mcloki

      Negative press is irrelevant in the long run. The more important question is. How Long is the half life of the waste of LM new reactor. There’s the PR battle.

      • Bernie777

        It is sooo obvious the timing of this Lockheed nightmare was made to over shadow the E-Cat test results. I am beginning to wonder even if the industrial E-Cat is a success, if “the powers that be” will allow it to be publicized? I hope the owners of the E-Cat are smart enough or have the incentive to create another industrial test site outside the US.

        • bfast

          “I am beginning to wonder even if the industrial E-Cat is a success, if “the powers that be” will allow it to be publicized?”
          Have you not realized that the internet is mighty! Even in war torn, and dominant dictator ridden countries, news now gets out. In the days preceding the ubiquitous internet you may be correct. Not any longer.

          • bachcole

            Yes!!! It seems that Bernie777’s paranoia about TPTB is so strong that he fails to appeciate the power of the Internet. The E-Cat is already unstoppable, and I doubt if it is even a tiny, single blip on the radar of powerful people.

          • Bernie777

            See my reply to you above.

          • Bernie777

            I started following Rossi and LENR in 2010, since then it has been reported on the internet of its replication hundreds of times. If the internet is so powerful there would now be billions of dollars in LENR research.

          • clovis ray

            With one exception, IH, did not want or need , publication of Dr Rossi’s find, and still don’t,, they will come out when they feel the need to. there is still work to be done, Dr. Rossi knows exactly what he is doing, better than anyone.
            MF/MF, in my opinion , are most likely to succeed, they need , money, if someone , knows how they can help with funds please do, while MIT has all the funding, we have to beg for hand outs, this is a shame, on earth.

            Dr. Rossi if you guys, want or need an independent open lab to reproduce your cat please consider, MF/MF, and if not, these young scientist, could use help, in order to continue their important work. hopefully your NDA has not totally gauged you, from teaching .

  • If IH put out a story and a video it would get a lot more press, but I don’t think press is what they want right now. Wish they would stop thinking like mega-capitalist and support the Ecat’s legacy because it leaves Rossi to deal with a lot of the negative criticism.

    • mcloki

      Negative press is irrelevant in the long run. The more important question is. How Long is the half life of the waste of LM new reactor. There’s the PR battle.

      • Piero

        I think they said “only” 100 years

  • Gerrit

    Part of the company must be aware of the status of cold fusion. According to the June 1998 EPRI final report (TR-107843). SRI international is/was a Lockheed Martin Company (see page iii of the document). And we know that Lockheed Martin would have funded a cold fusion research program at MIT, but was blocked by higher ups on both MIT and Lockheed Martin’s side.

    It looks like there is a similar situation going on within the company as we see in the physics science world. The “real” fusion gets the funding, but the cold fusion gets put on ice.

    • Gerrit, those who supported CF at LM are long gone.

  • Gerrit

    Part of the company must be aware of the status of cold fusion. According to the June 1998 EPRI final report (TR-107843). SRI international is/was a Lockheed Martin Company (see page iii of the document). And we know that Lockheed Martin would have funded a cold fusion research program at MIT, but was blocked by higher ups on both MIT and Lockheed Martin’s side.

    It looks like there is a similar situation going on within the company as we see in the physics science world. The “real” fusion gets the funding, but the cold fusion gets put on ice.

    • Gerrit, those who supported CF at LM are long gone.

  • Freethinker

    I want them to succeed with this. It could not be a bad thing to finally pull this carcass of scientific field into the land of the living, with working products.

    But what do we have here? Do they really have a prototype that they have tested with positive result? Break even? How much? Where is the data at?

    They have been at this for some 4 years, and they think they will have a product fairly soon but “we are very early in the scientific process”. What does that mean? Computer modelling and simulations?

    To me all this sounds like a lot wishful thinking and a lot less solid ground.

    LENR will beat them to the punch, and they will have to be very competitive to fill a niche on the market.

  • Freethinker

    I want them to succeed with this. It could not be a bad thing to finally pull this carcass of scientific field into the land of the living, with working products.

    But what do we have here? Do they really have a prototype that they have tested with positive result? Break even? How much? Where is the data at?

    They have been at this for some 4 years, and they think they will have a product fairly soon but “we are very early in the scientific process”. What does that mean? Computer modelling and simulations?

    To me all this sounds like a lot wishful thinking and a lot less solid ground.

    LENR will beat them to the punch, and they will have to be very competitive to fill a niche on the market.

    • Ivy Matt

      If you read the article (no, not the one on ECW), it may answer some or all of your questions.

  • bachcole

    It might seem at first glance that if this Lockheed fusion reactor is a success (and the E-Cat is not), then we all win. Not quite. The Lockheed fusion reactor will still be centralized. And the Lockheed fusion reactor will NOT provide the overthrow of the established order that society so desperately needs.

    • Ivy Matt

      Centralized compared to what Rossi claims to have on the market?

  • Zapece

    I think IH will get the 1MW reactor up and running in real world conditions and publicize then, at that point it will be undeniably commercially viable and whatever any skeptics say just will not matter.

  • Zapece

    I think IH will get the 1MW reactor up and running in real world conditions and publicize then, at that point it will be undeniably commercially viable and whatever any skeptics say just will not matter.

    • bachcole

      The more that the skeptopaths resist, the better will be their education. I can see the income of psychotherapist going up when even the skeptopaths see the light. I only hope that they don’t suicide.

      • bkrharold

        I wouldn’t worry too much about them. Most of the skeptopath trolls are paid hacks for the fossil fuel industry, or the hot fusion crowd, the rest are beyond help.

  • Gerard McEk

    I wonder why IH does not do more to promote Ecat. I guess it is because they first want to have something undenyable in operation at some ‘customer’, otherwise they could be crucified and doomed.Maybe they do not want to challenge the world before being ready for the commercial rollout.
    How different it is for this Hot Fusion phantom. Nevertheless I hope this also will succeed, although it will not fit in my car. 🙂

    • malkom700

      For our car perhaps for a long time will suffice quite inexpensive electricity.

  • Gerard McEk

    I wonder why IH does not do more to promote Ecat. I guess it is because they first want to have something undenyable in operation at some ‘customer’, otherwise they could be crucified and doomed.Maybe they do not want to challenge the world before being ready for the commercial rollout.
    How different it is for this Hot Fusion phantom. Nevertheless I hope this also will succeed, although it will not fit in my car. 🙂

    • malkom700

      For our car perhaps for a long time will suffice quite inexpensive electricity.

    • bachcole

      Perhaps in your next car.

  • Donk970

    Companies like Lockheed Martin support Skunkworks projects for strategic reasons. They don’t know for sure that a project like this one will amount to anything but it allows them to move in a new direction more quickly. IMHO the timing and the fact that they are looking for partners suggests that the brass looked at the E-Cat report and decided that their Skunkworks fusion project wasn’t going to pan out. Instead of cutting the program they told the program manager that if he could get some outside partners on board they would allow the project to continue.

  • Donk970

    Companies like Lockheed Martin support Skunkworks projects for strategic reasons. They don’t know for sure that a project like this one will amount to anything but it allows them to move in a new direction more quickly. IMHO the timing and the fact that they are looking for partners suggests that the brass looked at the E-Cat report and decided that their Skunkworks fusion project wasn’t going to pan out. Instead of cutting the program they told the program manager that if he could get some outside partners on board they would allow the project to continue.

    • bachcole

      I generally don’t put much stock in these big companies even knowing that the E-Cat exists. However, this idea of yours is a perfect fit and explains why they would announce something that is still only a wet dream.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        This is what you said when I suggested Lockheed announced because of E-Cat report, ” it is difficult for me to get away from the thought that you may be thinking the world revolves around what you are keen about, i.e. the E-Cat.” What changed your mind in ten minutes?

        • bachcole

          My mind is solidly in the camp of “I don’t know”, and I doubt anyone on this forum who is certain one way or the other. Right now, we are just playing with ideas, but for me, we need more facts.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    It is sooo obvious the timing of this Lockheed nightmare was made to over shadow the E-Cat test results. I am beginning to wonder even if the industrial E-Cat is a success, if “the powers that be” will allow it to be publicized? I hope the owners of the E-Cat are smart enough or have the incentive to create another industrial test site outside the US.

    • clovis ray

      Academic test are over, there won’t be anymore soon, it is senseless to do something over and over with the same out come, it’s time for the doers, the real scientist, to smooth the bumps, and get this thing out to the world.

    • bfast

      “I am beginning to wonder even if the industrial E-Cat is a success, if “the powers that be” will allow it to be publicized?”
      Have you not realized that the internet is mighty! Even in war torn, and dominant dictator ridden countries, news now gets out. In the days preceding the ubiquitous internet you may be correct. Not any longer.

      • bachcole

        Yes!!! It seems that Bernie777’s paranoia about TPTB is so strong that he fails to appeciate the power of the Internet. The E-Cat is already unstoppable, and I doubt if it is even a tiny, single blip on the radar of powerful people.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          See my reply to you above.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        I started following Rossi and LENR in 2010, since then it has been reported on the internet of its replication hundreds of times. If the internet is so powerful there would now be billions of dollars in LENR research.

        • bachcole

          The existence of the Internet does not seem to have increased people’s credibility index, their ability to look and believe outside of the box. The Internet also does not automatically increase reading speed. People are overwhelmed by information, and if anything this could very well make them shut-down on the believing strange things.

          I got my daughter to do online speed reading courses, and now she reads at about 1000 words per minute. My son is 15, and he is next. But this will not increase his ability to believe outside of the box; being raised by me has helped him do that.

        • clovis ray

          With one exception, IH, did not want or need , publication of Dr Rossi’s find, and still don’t,, they will come out when they feel the need to. there is still work to be done, Dr. Rossi knows exactly what he is doing, better than anyone.
          MF/MF, in my opinion , are most likely to succeed, they need , money, if someone , knows how they can help with funds please do, while MIT has all the funding, we have to beg for hand outs, this is a shame, on earth.

          Dr. Rossi if you guys, want or need an independent open lab to reproduce your cat please consider, MF/MF, and if not, these young scientist, could use help, in order to continue their important work. hopefully your NDA has not totally gauged you, from teaching .

    • Ivy Matt

      “It is sooo obvious the timing of this Lockheed nightmare was made to over shadow the E-Cat test results.”

      Tom McGuire has three patent applications that were published on October 9, 2014, one day after the release of the latest E-Cat report, and six days before the Aviation Week article and press release were published (on October 15). Patent applications are kept private for 18 months after the initial filing date in the US and most other countries, and inventors generally keep quiet about the details of their inventions during this time. McGuire’s patent applications were filed on April 3, 2013. That’s quite a bit of foresight (and careful timing) on Lockheed’s part.

      • GreenWin

        Hello Ivy. What part in this Lockheed transfer do you play? And how do you suppose McGuire intends to contain the millions degree heat and deadly neutrons if his “magnetic mirrors” fail?

        • Ivy Matt

          I’m watching from the sidelines, just like everyone else. The only difference (well, apart from the fact that I’m not a paranoid Rossi fan) is I’m genuinely interested in high-energy plasma fusion, so I tend to actually read and try to comprehend things before pontificating.

          Your second question seems a bit confused. I’ll try to answer it clearly and fully, but I don’t think I’ll be able to without writing a popeye-style wall of text:

          First, every plasma fusion device that I can think of offhand uses a vacuum chamber of some sort. When a vacuum chamber is in operation, the pressure on the outside of the vessel is vastly greater than the pressure on the inside. Yet, strangely enough, I’ve never heard of anyone who is worried that such devices will implode. You seem to have the opposite worry.

          Unlike a fission reactor, which contains all its necessary fuel in a critical mass within the reaction chamber, in a fusion reactor the fuel is introduced little by little. If something goes wrong, the fuel supply can be cut and the reaction will burn itself out almost immediately.

          But what about the fuel that is already inside the reaction chamber? If the magnets failed, the plasma would expand outward. The ions and electrons would be very energetic, but the overall pressure would be quite low, nearly a vacuum. Especially in a cusp machine such as the one Lockheed is working on, the plasma may be very dense in the center of the reaction chamber, but once it spread all the way to the walls it would be quite diffuse.

          On a large scale, I don’t suppose anything spectacular would happen. On a very small scale, the energetic particles would cause spallation of nuclei from the inside of the reaction chamber. Because these spallated nuclei would be heavier than the fusion fuel, they would poison the reaction, quickly cooling it down. (Actually, in a working reactor, the “first wall” of the reactor would probably be lithium or “FLiBe”, which I suppose wouldn’t poison the reaction as quickly as heavy metals, but the reaction would still terminate quickly without the magnetic fields to keep the pressure up.)

          As for the “deadly neutrons”, those are *neutral* particles. Magnetic fields do nothing to contain them anyway. In a working reactor they would radiate isotropically from the area where conditions are sufficient for fusion and hit the inside of the reaction chamber, heating it up. If the “first wall” were made of lithium or “FLiBe”, tritium ions would be spallated back into the reaction chamber, enabling more fusion reactions.

          In a working fusion reactor, the reaction chamber itself would be surrounded by coolant and shielding for ordinary use anyway. That’s in addition to the thick metal walls of the vacuum chamber and a possible “lithium blanket” as the “first wall”.

          TL;DR: If the magnets fail, the fusion reaction would stop. If you were outside the reaction chamber, you probably wouldn’t notice that anything had changed.

          • GreenWin

            Gee, it doesn’t sound like something you’d want in your office, home, shopping center, or neighborhood. When it breaks it becomes a giant radioactive hot box. Lockheed likes doing stuff the big, expensive, hard way.

    • bachcole

      I don’t see that it is even so obvious, let alone sooo obvious. In fact, it is difficult for me to get away from the thought that you may be thinking the world revolves around what you are keen about, i.e. the E-Cat. I doubt that they at even know that “we” exist, yet. But I admit that I am uncertain of even that.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        “7 things negative people will do to you. They will…
        1. Demean your value;
        2. Destroy your image
        3. Drive you crazily!
        4. Dispose your dreams!
        5. Discredit your imagination!
        6. Defame your abilities and
        7. Disbelieve your opinions!

        Stay away from negative people!”
        ― Israelmore Ayivor

  • Billy Jackson

    The problem i have with this is the timing. I have no issue with what they say they are working on. but it seems to me that they are riding the wave of energy news that the e-cat has generated. By not having to prove anything for 10 years it seems less of an announcement and more of a look at me too …

    • bachcole

      The timing is curious, but I am stuck with the thought that too many of us are being too self-centered and thinking that what we are keen about is the axis around which the world revolves. It isn’t, yet.

      • Billy Jackson

        true we are sensitive to challenges to the e-cat and i will admit even prone to emotional investment for its success. So while i stare at the timing with suspect. I do so with the knowledge that my viewpoint is colored by my bias toward the e-cat.

  • Billy Jackson

    The problem i have with this is the timing. I have no issue with what they say they are working on. but it seems to me that they are riding the wave of energy news that the e-cat has generated. By not having to prove anything for 10 years it seems less of an announcement and more of a look at me too …

    • Timar

      “…they are riding on the waves of energy news that the e-cat has generated”

      Either you are joking or you must be quite naive. The Lockheed announcement has generated more media attention within days than the E-Cat has within the last several years (probably by several orders of magnitude). It would be nice if there were “waves of energy news” about the E-Cat but sadly the reality is the exact opposite – a waveless sea.

      • Billy Jackson

        As a global company with a long history of innovation and commitment to quality. any announcement by Lockheed is going to get attention far beyond what an experimental start up or “scientific finding” can. I am only calling attention to the timing of it in conjunction with the last report from Rossi. (aka its 10 years out, and the e-cat report was released barely two weeks ago)

        • bachcole

          You are probably right, Billy. Lockheed Martin has a heck of a record.

    • bachcole

      The timing is curious, but I am stuck with the thought that too many of us are being too self-centered and thinking that what we are keen about is the axis around which the world revolves. It isn’t, yet.

      • Billy Jackson

        true we are sensitive to challenges to the e-cat and i will admit even prone to emotional investment for its success. So while i stare at the timing with suspect. I do so with the knowledge that my viewpoint is colored by my bias toward the e-cat.

        • bachcole

          Billy Jackson, you are a man of wisdom. This is one of those things were wisdom says, “I don’t know.” I really like facts in these kinds of situations. I don’t know.

  • clovis ray

    Ahh, the Rossi Revelation, remember , is this the first scrimmage, of the many battles to come , we are the good guys, we ask all to join, but spies will be exposed, do not tread on us. long live E-CAT.

  • Job001

    The best presumption about HF news timing is funding bias, not some conspiracy. Hot fusion applied research funds are under serious threat for these reasons, IMO.

    1.ITER is fundamental physics research and the EU budget is strained, seeking likely USA support.

    2.Extremist politics has inviting an administrative backlash against obstructive GOP politics.

    3.Applied HF learning curves are weak, i.e. 20 yrs out+ to market, SOP.

    4.The USA has achieved FF innovative oil cartel disruption sufficient to stabilize world economies.

    5. RE learning curves for wind, storage, solar, use, fuel cell, buildings, and DG are excellent.

    6.LENR has independent commercial level demonstrated observational science success.

    7.Fundamental LENR science will take longer to model and gain general acceptance, but this is not a serious hurdle for engineering, certification, and marketing.

    8.The DOE funded a study of HF funding direction the results of which are rocking the HF world.

    See http://news.sciencemag.org/physics/2014/10/u-s-fusion-plan-draws-blistering-critique

    9.Utilities favor IP, regulator complexity, and monopoly power to maintain higher prices and hurdles to protect against market entry competition and to boost profits.

    Thus, LENR will experience strong funding bias backlash from those threatened by losing HF grants and funding exist for the above reasons.

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_bias

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

    Conclusions: HF and fission nuclear is favored over LENR is as a profit boosting market entry hurdle for competition. The more threatened HF funding is, the more extreme the LENR skeptics, no conspiracy required. Modern cognitive research results for mental biases and heuristics is a truly excellent explaination. Follow the money!

  • Job001

    The best presumption about HF news timing is funding bias, not some conspiracy. Hot fusion applied research funds are under serious threat for these reasons, IMO.

    1.ITER is fundamental physics research and the EU budget is strained, seeking likely USA support.

    2.Extremist politics has inviting an administrative backlash against obstructive GOP politics.

    3.Applied HF learning curves are weak, i.e. 20 yrs out+ to market, SOP.

    4.The USA has achieved FF innovative oil cartel disruption sufficient to stabilize world economies.

    5. RE learning curves for wind, storage, solar, use, fuel cell, buildings, and DG are excellent.

    6.LENR has independent commercial level demonstrated observational science success.

    7.Fundamental LENR science will take longer to model and gain general acceptance, but this is not a serious hurdle for engineering, certification, and marketing.

    8.The DOE funded a study of HF funding direction the results of which are rocking the HF world.

    See http://news.sciencemag.org/physics/2014/10/u-s-fusion-plan-draws-blistering-critique

    9.Utilities favor IP, regulator complexity, and monopoly power to maintain higher prices and hurdles to protect against market entry competition and to boost profits.

    Thus, LENR will experience strong funding bias backlash from those threatened by losing HF grants and funding exist for the above reasons.

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_bias

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

    Conclusions: HF and fission nuclear is favored over LENR is as a profit boosting market entry hurdle for competition. The more threatened HF funding is, the more extreme the LENR skeptics, no conspiracy required. Modern cognitive research results for mental biases and heuristics is a truly excellent explaination. Follow the money!

  • Billy Jackson

    As a global company with a long history of innovation and commitment to quality. any announcement by Lockheed is going to get attention far beyond what an experimental start up or “scientific finding” can. I am only calling attention to the timing of it in conjunction with the last report from Rossi.

    • bachcole

      You are probably right, Billy. Lockheed Martin has a heck of a record.

  • Charles

    From E-Cat World 2013/03/01: “The NASA Aeronautics Research Institute (NARI) held a ‘Seedling Seminar’ during the last week of February to consider ‘potentially revolutionary’ innovative ideas in aviation. One presentation was by Doug Wells, a systems analyst at the Aeronautics Systems Analysis Branch, NASA Langley Research Center, and on February 25th he gave a
    presentation on ‘Low Energy Nuclear Reaction Aircraft’.

    One would assume that the Skunks know about this, not to mention Lugano. Has a panic stampede set in?

    • GreenWin

      Lockheed sees its “knowledge monopoly” slipping away. Its protective front guard Academia is collapsing as commercial LENR projects simply tell the ivory tower skeptics to get lost. The USPTO, wallowing in corruption and a salary scandal can no longer be relied on to kill off alternative energy applications. The JTRIG covert operations detailed by NBC News and Glenn Greenwald have been exposed to the public and are damaging the good work of those agencies.

      There is little for Skunk Works to do but accept that ANY form of hot fusion cannot compete with LENR – commercially, technically, geopolitically, or in humanitarian benefit. The only reasonable thing for McGuire and Lockheed to do is come and join the feast. There IS plenty for everybody.

    • bachcole

      Nice fact. That certainly helps the “they know all about it” position.

  • Charles

    From E-Cat World 2013/03/01: “The NASA Aeronautics Research Institute (NARI) held a ‘Seedling Seminar’ during the last week of February to consider ‘potentially revolutionary’ innovative ideas in aviation. One presentation was by Doug Wells, a systems analyst at the Aeronautics Systems Analysis Branch, NASA Langley Research Center, and on February 25th he gave a
    presentation on ‘Low Energy Nuclear Reaction Aircraft’.

    One would assume that the Skunks know about this, not to mention Lugano. Has a panic stampede set in?

    • GreenWin

      Lockheed sees its “knowledge monopoly” slipping away. Its protective front guard Academia is collapsing as commercial LENR projects simply tell the ivory tower skeptics to get lost. The USPTO, wallowing in corruption and a salary scandal can no longer be relied on to kill off alternative energy applications. The JTRIG covert operations detailed by NBC News and Glenn Greenwald have been exposed to the public and are damaging the good work of those agencies.

      There is little for Skunk Works to do but accept that ANY form of hot fusion cannot compete with LENR – commercially, technically, geopolitically, or in humanitarian benefit. The only reasonable thing for McGuire and Lockheed to do is come and join the feast. There IS plenty for everybody.

    • bachcole

      Nice fact. That certainly helps the “they know all about it” position.

  • Christopher Calder

    We should be supportive of Lockheed Martin as this is potentially breakthrough technology that could give us limitless low cost electricity. No electricity has yet been produced by either hot fusion or cold fusion reactors, so we should encourage many different technologies to compete in the marketplace to see which one ultimately delivers the lowest costs. Hot fusion may turn out to be cheaper for very large power plants, and cold fusion and other forms of LENR (Solar Hydrogen Trends) may be better for transportation uses. We don’t know for sure and should not take an us-vs.-them attitude, as long as the “them” are working on products that have *high energy density*, are *reliable 24-7-365*, and *affordable*. The Lockheed Martin design potentially could reach all those goals of usability. Biofuels, wind, and solar will never reach those goals and do far more harm than good.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I support all good science, I hope this falls into that category, but hot fusion has not had a good track record so far. This will need to have some redeeming qualities up front to win much support.

  • We should be supportive of Lockheed Martin as this is potentially breakthrough technology that could give us limitless low cost electricity. No electricity has yet been produced by either hot fusion or cold fusion reactors, so we should encourage many different technologies to compete in the marketplace to see which one ultimately delivers the lowest costs. Hot fusion may turn out to be cheaper for very large power plants, and cold fusion and other forms of LENR (Solar Hydrogen Trends) may be better for transportation uses. We don’t know for sure and should not take an us-vs.-them attitude, as long as the “them” are working on products that have *high energy density*, are *reliable 24-7-365*, and *affordable*. The Lockheed Martin design potentially could reach all those goals of usability. Biofuels, wind, and solar will never reach those goals and do far more harm than good.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I support all good science, I hope this falls into that category, but hot fusion has not had a good track record so far. This will need to have some redeeming qualities up front to win much support.

      • Mike

        That’s right O. But their formulas say it is impossible with radiation. Because they say cold fusion is a fraud because a catastrophe would have happened. And they are the ones starting the hostilities. We are happy about a possible bright future, and those arrogant ones come here and piss on us.

        • Ivy Matt

          Who are “they”? There must be thousands of people who do fusion research. Most of them haven’t said a thing about cold fusion, one way or the other—in public, at least. (In fact, from what I’ve heard, people who conduct fusion research are generally more open to—or at least circumspect about—the possibility of cold fusion than the average scientist or member of the public. George Miley is a rather extreme example of that.) Most people who get involved in fusion do so because they want to create a better future. And Rossi’s fans have spammed the comments sections of pretty much every fusion (or other energy) news story since 2011, proclaiming the imminent appearance of the E-Cat on the market.

    • bachcole

      I am opposed to it because (1) it will not cause the crowned heads of the scientific ivory towers to roll, and (2) it is not distributed, and (3) it could siphon some fund off of cold fusion.

      • Well, number 1 is a funny joke.

        What do you mean by number 2, “not distributed”? Do you mean you will never have one in your basement? That is an advantage of cold fusion, and I doubt you will ever get a hot fusion reactor in your car or even in an airplane. Fast neutrons need too much shielding for that. 3) Cold fusion is getting very little government funding through NASA, the secret agencies, and the DOE, but I still believe Defkalion is getting some aid. Defkalion told me “they are on it”, which means to me receiving aid, not just applying. LENR is overwhelmingly privately funded as is the Lockheed scheme. Let people privately invest in what they want. I like to have a backup system in case one technology hits a technical roadblock. The Lockheed Martin system may be a very useful tool and it is good to have a full toolbox. You never know when you will need one tool or another.

        • bachcole

          But there will be no (1) if Lockheed Martin fusion wins. There will be no attitude adjustment of the scientific elite. There will be no questioning of the scientific elite by the masses. This is important, to me; it is not a joke. And (2), I want distributed energy. It is safer for civilization for when things like a very serious coronal mass ejection happens. It will naturally reduce income disparity somewhat. It will reduce the danger of terrorism. And (3), once cold fusion is recognized as being real, there will be plenty of funding for it, unless some of that funding is focused on Lockheed fusion.

    • clovis ray

      Hi, Chris.
      This crap does not work, period, it a fund money grab,and always has been . 20 years come on. The E cat has went from theory, to prototype to a product, and is now in use in the market, in just a few years, now that is the production you get from someone that is not on the take, and always remember it has not cost the tax payers a dime, period

  • Ophelia Rump

    What happens if it breaches the containment? I would imagine the confinement causing a sort of pressure inside, Would that be something like a solar flare happening on earth?

  • Ophelia Rump

    What happens if it breaches the containment? I would imagine the confinement causing a sort of pressure inside, Would that be something like a solar flare happening on earth?

    • GreenWin

      Egads Ophelia. That would make for a HOT time in the ole town tonight:
      http://1.usa.gov/1tM4U5i

    • bachcole

      And what do we do with the container when it is all brittle and ready for the waste heap?

    • bachcole

      And what happens if the magnetic “bottles” fail, even for a second. All of those elementary particles go flying off at relativistic speeds and fry the grad students who were warming their tea from the reaction.

  • GreenWin

    Hello Ivy. What part in this Lockheed transfer do you play? And how do you suppose McGuire intends to contain the millions degree heat and deadly neutrons if his “magnetic mirrors” fail?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    If you wonderful engineers at ML could only stand up to the captain Blighs of the world, you too could be working on LENR.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vtKU9bi10

  • Alan DeAngelis

    If you wonderful engineers at ML could only stand up to the captain Blighs of the world, you too could be working on LENR.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vtKU9bi10

  • Bernie777

    “7 things negative people will do to you. They will…
    1. Demean your value;
    2. Destroy your image
    3. Drive you crazily!
    4. Dispose your dreams!
    5. Discredit your imagination!
    6. Defame your abilities and
    7. Disbelieve your opinions!

    Stay away from negative people!”
    ― Israelmore Ayivor

  • Christopher Calder

    Well, number 1 is a funny joke.

    What do you mean by number 2, “not distributed”? Do you mean you will never have one in your basement? That is an advantage of cold fusion, and I doubt you will ever get a hot fusion reactor in your car or even in an airplane. Fast neutrons need too much shielding for that. 3) Cold fusion is getting very little government funding through NASA, the secret agencies, and the DOE, but I still believe Defkalion is getting some aid. Defkalion told me “they are on it”, which means to me receiving aid, not just applying. LENR is overwhelmingly privately funded as is the Lockheed scheme. Let people privately invest in what they want. I like to have a backup system in case one technology hits a technical roadblock. The Lockheed Martin system may be a very useful tool and it is good to have a full toolbox. You never know when you will need one tool or another.

  • tukaram
    • GreenWin

      No. That’s a doctored article.

      • tukaram

        Damn!

  • GreenWin

    Gee, it doesn’t sound like something you’d want in your office, home, shopping center, or neighborhood. When it breaks it becomes a giant radioactive hot box. Lockheed likes doing stuff the big, expensive, hard way.