Reflections on Recent Fusion News — Hot and Cold (Essay by Gordon Docherty)

The following essay has been submitted by Gordon Docherty.

Personal Reflections on Fusion 2

  • Ophelia Rump

    A scholarly work, and more, needed information.

    Well written, well said, Gordon Docherty you have done a good thing.
    I expect you to be quoted for decades if not centuries to come.

  • Ophelia Rump

    A scholarly work, and more, needed information.

    Well written, well said, Gordon Docherty you have done a good thing.
    I expect you to be quoted for decades if not centuries to come.

  • Robert Ellefson

    Tl;dr.

    • Avatar Polymorph

      An interesting article, I’ve been reading about hot fusion since 1965, it was pretty hard to find out information preNet, I always thought a lot of the delay was due to insufficient funding to pursue multiple approaches. There were lots of people researching the dense hot fusion option from the 80s to the 90s, including in the US Navy. Funding cuts routinely killed projects. The value of finding a solution was not taken into account, and vested interests are at play politically, which have a smothering effect, particularly when lobby groups attack a threat to money and power, such as the doctor who discovered smoking nicotene gives you lung cancer in the 1930s from memory (the other thing he checked was internal comubstion car exhaust, with better testing we now know this causes almost equal numbers of deaths near major highways as active highways) – his work was debunked by cigarette companies for decades. The tram system was debunked when the car industry systematically took over tram companies and dismantled them, charges were not laid for decades from memory. The ulcer research who discovered bacteria cause ulcers was debunked for two decades. The one attampt to get diamondoid mechanosynthesis research funding through the US Senate was debunked by John McCain (and Prince Charles) – but only after lobbying from two representatives of the nanomaterials industry (itself achieving growth to rival Microsoft at its heyday). And of course, cold fusion funding has become a “symbol issue” of politics trumping science and public health (via pollution reduction). When the US Patent Office equates cold fusion with perpetual motion machines they are being extremely disrespectful to the hundreds of scientists who have devoted their lives to the science of nuclear reactions. Without Piantelli and Focardi there would have been no Rossi.

      As an aside, I am curious about the statement in the essay that “The collisions of the electrons with the ions generate a short pulse of highly-intense X-rays. If
      the device is being used to generate X-rays for our X-ray source project, conditions such as
      electrode sizes and shapes and gas fill pressure can be used to maximize X-ray output.” Presumably this means for portable power systems you might be able to use it on the Boeing YAL-1 design. At the moment the YAL-1 (in funding suspension/discontinuance) uses half the Boeing to store chemical fuel to fire 30 laser shots. Loading and cleaning the fuel takes several hours and is highly toxic. An x-ray weapons (remember the fission explosion powered orbital x-ray orbital beam weapon from the Star Wars Reagan plans) powered by dense hot fusion devices could presumably recharge a lot more than 30 times. YAL-1’s were envisaged for preventing rogue nuclear States from firing a handful of ICBMs/MIRVs.

  • Robert Ellefson

    (Edited. Was: Tl;dr 😉

    Good article, worth the time to read. The DPF section contained a lot of information that was new to me, and I appreciate your effort in writing it up.

  • Gerard McEk

    A perfect piece of work Gordon. I will use it as a basis for my LENR presentations!
    Two questions:
    1. When you give a glimps at the end of how LENR could work, you only consider the protons in resonance due to nearby atoms. Maybe you can include also the many free electrons in the metal latice, which may also be in resonance and may cause fluctuations in the local culomb barier fields, which could add to the probability of proton tunneling?
    2. You did not talk about ‘slow neutrons’ (WL-theory). Don’t you believe in the possibility that protons may be converted into neutrons (also due to resonance)?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    What if?
    Where would we be now if in 1911 when the announcement that zero electrical resistance was seen in mercury cooled in liquid helium was met with “not allowed according to the well accepted laws of physics!” therefore it’s “nonsense” by the prima donnas of the day? “Incompetent boobs” …et cetera.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    What if?
    Where would we be now if in 1911 when the announcement that zero electrical resistance was seen in mercury cooled in liquid helium was met with “not allowed according to the well accepted laws of physics!” therefore it’s “nonsense” by the prima donnas of the day? “Incompetent boobs” …et cetera.

  • Herb Gillis

    Gordon:
    Do you think there might be a similar mechanism taking place in LENR as in DPF? Is it possible to model the temperature of ions trapped within the spaces of a metal lattice to determine if extreme temperatures are reached within said spaces under conditions typically used in LENR (ie. hydrogen overload of the lattice)?

  • Kimball

    Thanks for this posting. I have followed this for a couple of years now and have always been fascinated by the possibilities. I am, however, not a scientist. This was well written in discriptive language that I was able to understand. I’m sure I will have an easier time following the discusions from this point forward. And, it will help me to discribe it to those interested to learn more about this new realm of possibility. Thanks once again.

  • Dods

    A perfect primer for anyone. Written such that the average joe could understand it easily. This is the letter that needs sending to the masses. Thanks Gordon.

    Frank I suggest that you sticky this on the front of the site with the recommendation that newcomers read this first.

    • Bruce Williams

      This is a very good idea !

  • Dods

    A perfect primer for anyone. Written such that the average joe could understand it easily. This is the letter that needs sending to the masses. Thanks Gordon.

    Frank I suggest that you sticky this on the front of the site with the recommendation that newcomers read this first.

    • Bruce Williams

      This is a very good idea !

  • LCD

    Stupid android web interface doesn’t let me change the page and the scribd app won’t load it.

    Is there a download link

  • LCD

    Stupid android web interface doesn’t let me change the page and the scribd app won’t load it.

    Is there a download link

  • Excelent, please set this article for first reading. only a manor change “compressed and spar’ed to create a small explosion ! -over and over again” to “compressed and spar’ed to create a combustion ! -over and over again”. The motor engine dont explodes gas, burn gas.

  • Job001

    LENR is
    WAVE physics rather then PARTICLE physics, IMO.

    On another level it is about the underdog “unbiased observational science” vs funding biased theoretical science(a true oxymoron).

    PS;I’m not a “True believer”, just a “True skeptic” of funding biased corruption.

    • Mats002

      No I do not agree with that change. The text is very understandable as is. Keep as is!

      • Buck

        Gordon,
        I stand with everyone else, applauding your excellent summary. Wow!

  • Job001

    LENR is
    WAVE physics rather then PARTICLE physics, IMO.

    On another level it is about the underdog “unbiased observational science” vs funding biased theoretical science(a true oxymoron).

    PS;I’m not a “True believer”, just a “True skeptic” of funding biased corruption.

    • Mats002

      No I do not agree with that change. The text is very understandable as is. Keep as is!

  • BuilditNow

    Gordon, I’m impressed with the scope and completeness of your writing.
    Interesting to hear that Lawrenceville Plasma Physics is very close to “a real shot” a hot fusion but is also being ignored by the lame stream media. I wonder if the lame stream media can break the mold on cold fusion. CNN has “breaking news” right now about something irrelevant while the breaking news of the century or perhaps millennia is on e-catworld.com.
    This has been a constant problem with our information sources being controlled, for decades.
    Solutions anyone?

    Anyway, I don’t think the lame stream media can hold the tide back for much longer.

    A friend of mine went to a trade show a few days back. In casual conversation he mentioned cold fusion, most had heard about it and, more importantly, they got excited talking about it.
    Is the cat poking it’s head out of the bag yet?

    • GreenWin

      The ITP2 Report has been downloaded nearly 100k times from different sites. It would be surprising for those in media not to have heard of it. Still waiting for Peter Swensson? form AP and his photographer to tell us why they were silenced at the October 2012 1MW test.

      • Daniel Maris

        I do find the 100K downloads pretty remarkable when you compare with the number of comments on this premier E Cat discussion site…makes you feel like there is something going on in the world of science and engineering of which we are not aware.

  • BuilditNow

    Gordon, I’m impressed with the scope and completeness of your writing.
    Interesting to hear that Lawrenceville Plasma Physics is very close to “a real shot” a hot fusion but is also being ignored by the lame stream media. I wonder if the lame stream media can break the mold on cold fusion. CNN has “breaking news” right now about something irrelevant while the breaking news of the century or perhaps millennia is on e-catworld.com.
    This has been a constant problem with our information sources being controlled, for decades.
    Solutions anyone?

    Anyway, I don’t think the lame stream media can hold the tide back for much longer.

    A friend of mine went to a trade show a few days back. In casual conversation he mentioned cold fusion, most had heard about it and, more importantly, they got excited talking about it.
    Is the cat poking it’s head out of the bag yet?

    • GreenWin

      The ITP2 Report has been downloaded nearly 100k times from different sites. It would be surprising for those in media not to have heard of it. Still waiting for Peter Swensson? form AP and his photographer to tell us why they were silenced at the October 2012 1MW test.

  • GreenWin

    Well done Gordon. Great contribution to general knowledge base.

  • GreenWin

    Well done Gordon. Great contribution to general knowledge base.

  • Christina

    Gordon,

    Thank you very much for the non-mathematical explanation.

    I really appreciate the illumination of what’s happening in the fusion industry as I was already non-mathematically familiar with lenr even though I realize that when one does not understand the math and the nitty-gritty of the science, one misses a lot.

    So again, thank you very much. I highly appreciate the article.

    Christina

  • bachcole

    It is clear as a bell that most mainstream physicists are so non-keen about competing systems working that they aren’t looking through the telescope and won’t be any time soon.

  • Avatar Polymorph

    An interesting article, I’ve been reading about hot fusion since 1965, it was pretty hard to find out information preNet, I always thought a lot of the delay was due to insufficient funding to pursue multiple approaches. There were lots of people researching the dense hot fusion option from the 80s to the 90s, including in the US Navy. Funding cuts routinely killed projects. The value of finding a solution was not taken into account, and vested interests are at play politically, which have a smothering effect, particularly when lobby groups attack a threat to money and power, such as the doctor who discovered smoking nicotene gives you lung cancer in the 1930s from memory (the other thing he checked was internal comubstion car exhaust, with better testing we now know this causes almost equal numbers of deaths near major highways as active highways) – his work was debunked by cigarette companies for decades. The tram system was debunked when the car industry systematically took over tram companies and dismantled them, charges were not laid for decades from memory. The ulcer research who discovered bacteria cause ulcers was debunked for two decades. The one attampt to get diamondoid mechanosynthesis research funding through the US Senate was debunked by John McCain (and Prince Charles) – but only after lobbying from two representatives of the nanomaterials industry (itself achieving growth to rival Microsoft at its heyday). And of course, cold fusion funding has become a “symbol issue” of politics trumping science and public health (via pollution reduction). When the US Patent Office equates cold fusion with perpetual motion machines they are being extremely disrespectful to the hundreds of scientists who have devoted their lives to the science of nuclear reactions. Without Piantelli and Focardi there would have been no Rossi.

    As an aside, I am curious about the statement in the essay that “The collisions of the electrons with the ions generate a short pulse of highly-intense X-rays. If
    the device is being used to generate X-rays for our X-ray source project, conditions such as
    electrode sizes and shapes and gas fill pressure can be used to maximize X-ray output.” Presumably this means for portable power systems you might be able to use it on the Boeing YAL-1 design. At the moment the YAL-1 (in funding suspension/discontinuance) uses half the Boeing to store chemical fuel to fire 30 laser shots. Loading and cleaning the fuel takes several hours and is highly toxic. An x-ray weapons (remember the fission explosion powered orbital x-ray orbital beam weapon from the Star Wars Reagan plans) powered by dense hot fusion devices could presumably recharge a lot more than 30 times. YAL-1’s were envisaged for preventing rogue nuclear States from firing a handful of ICBMs/MIRVs.

    • Avatar Polymorph

      Sorry, that should be “ulcer researcher” and “x-ray weapons”. Also, regarding “perpetual motion machines”, I don’t mean to imply that extropic research (e.g. into informational storage in point singularities within black holes) is not to be respected.

    • Avatar Polymorph

      Dense fusion did receive some funding from the Navy due to the possibilities for laser defence of aircraft carriers etc.. A dense fusion system could also provide a compact accelerator force for pumping helium or other gases temporarily to sheath a submarine like the

      VA-111 Shkval systems sheath their torpedo.

  • bkrharold

    Thank you for this easily accessible account of the current state of nuclear fusion. I had never heard of Dense plasma fusion before, it sounds very promising. Your explanation in the addendum of how nuclei can approach each other close enough to overcome the coulomb barrier by resonance of the field waves and synchronization of their nuclear spins was easy to visualize and understand. Are you saying that LENR+ most likely depends upon both resonance and spin synchronicity? If that is the case, then the magic sauce is most likely the frequency duration and power of the EM field used to fulfill those conditions.

  • Robyn Wyrick

    This is a wildly helpful article. I have been asking for nearly this exact thing, and here it is.

    Thanks very much.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      I hope you read page 18 and 19. I’d call those fascinating.

  • Robyn Wyrick

    This is a wildly helpful article. I have been asking for nearly this exact thing, and here it is.

    Thanks very much.

  • björn

    “Further+ spontaneous fusion can and does occur in nature( hus+ a theoretical “uantity of deuterium gas stored in a perfectly sealed /ar and left on a shelf to be bathed on and off in sunlight for the net few million years+ would reasonably be epected to eperience one or two spontaneous reactions ! “uite by chance”

    Is this true? Ive never heard of spontaneus fusion before?

    • I`d say its true,
      Your question is similar to that one of asking “is it possible to win the lottery every day for one week”. Its possible, just not very probable.

      A fusion reaction can theoretically take place in a glass of water if you let it stand long enough thanks to quantum mechanics.

      Also – of course, the reaction in the sun can be considered spontaneous fusion.
      The atoms in the sun also plays by quantum mechanics. Basically the sun is a very very small region of space and time where the conditions for spontaneous fusion is slightly higher than the conditions for it to happen other places.

      We should all be glad that these reactions are very improbable and requires very specific conditions – otherwise BOOOOM

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        I think the philosophical idea behind it is this:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

      • björn

        Id like to see the numbers of probability. Reminds me of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy where all sorts of improbable events take place. But thats fiction. Passing the coloumb barrier is a huge leap. Is it possibe in a few million years? I dont know, I dont know if the author just made it up that fusion would happen, or if there is math behind the words.

  • bachcole

    I loved this article. I confess that I didn’t read the E-Cat part since I already know about it. The article put into perspective the whole nuclear energy foot dragging problem and how LENR is really just a part of it, plus the fact that there is no widely accepted theory yet about how LENR works. But even successful fission and fusion projects that are new and threaten people’s jobs get sent to the “unproven” and/or “discredited” file. It seems that those in power in the nuclear industry have learned how to influence legislators with words and perhaps money to keep the competition at bay.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      I hope you read page 18 and 19. I’d call those fascinating.

      • bachcole

        Wow. And all of that nuclear “wisdom” without a single number; who would have thought!

        Well, I must say that I am very impressed with these ideas. And I just have to say: “I told you so.”: The speed of the particles causes ALL of mainstream physics ideas to be skewed. I have said that many times. The “final” theory will include all of the data from mainstream physics, but will extend our knowledge based upon the interaction of much slower particles.

        Thank you for that, Z^3.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          You’re welcome :->)
          You are making a good point Bachcole: One can formulate a complex problem without resorting to numbers. So it’s possible to grasp the concept without having to understand the mathematics. I and I suspect lots of others, often struggle to understand the ideas of people when they are mathematically expressed or used as underlying reasoning. This is why, for me, the piece by Gordon is so good.

  • Bruce Williams

    Gordon, thanks for an excellent (and I would think time-consuming ), piece of work.

  • Bruce Williams

    Gordon, thanks for an excellent (and I would think time-consuming ), piece of work.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Just read it. Easily one of the best pieces on hot and cold fusion I have ever read. Very clear and understandable written and an enjoyment to read.

    • georgehants

      Would any scientists on page think that Gordon’s piece above would educate other scientists?
      If so should it not be published in one of the premier scientific comics?
      If not why not?

      • Omega Z

        Why do you insult Gordon.
        It should be published in some respectable magazine…
        Not the Comics. 🙂

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Just read it. Easily one of the best pieces on hot and cold fusion I have ever read. Very clear and understandable written and an enjoyment to read.

  • Buck

    Gordon,
    I stand with everyone, applauding your excellent summary. Wow!

  • CancunKurt

    Thanks Gordon. That is the best summary I have seen so far.

  • georgehants

    Would any scientists on page think that Gordon’s piece above would educate other scientists?
    If so should it not be published in one of the premier scientific comics?
    If not why not?

    • Omega Z

      Why do you insult Gordon.
      It should be published in some respectable magazine…
      Not the Comics. 🙂

  • pelgrim108

    The most in use of all fusion reactors today are the pyro electric fusion reactors. They are used as neutron generators. They are not efficient enough ( yet?) for energy production.
    http://dmphotonics.com/Neutron_Generators/neutron_generator_ING03_ING031.htm
    d + t→ n + 4He En = 14.2 MeV d + d→ n + 3He En = 2.5 MeV
    Gordons article is easily understandable and a great introduction to fusion.

  • I`d say its true – due to quantum mechanics
    Your question is similar to that one of asking “is it possible to win the lottery every day for one week”. Its possible, just not very probable.

    A fusion reaction can theoretically take place in a glass of water if you let it stand long enough.

  • hempenearth

    Great work Gordon, can I have permission to pass it on to some selected newspapers?

    • GordonDocherty

      Please do

  • hempenearth

    Great work Gordon, can I have permission to pass it on to some selected newspapers?

    • GordonDocherty

      Please do

  • Mark Szl

    The best part was on resonance. That really shed light on the problems with hot fusion and makes plausible the idea of cold fusion.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, Gorden.

    Looks like you have, captured the attention, of quite a few of our members, and readers,

    I too enjoyed your most informative writing, as will others that come along wanting info on these very important subjects , you make it so easy to understand, and you know what , albert I, said it this way. (You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother).

    • bachcole

      “You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother.” I resemble that remark.