What is the E-Cat’s First Home? [MFMP Project Dog Bone Video]

Here’s a very interesting video created for the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project’s “Project Dog Bone”, an attempt to replicate the E-Cat reactor tested in Lugano earlier this year. This video is made by Bob Greenyer who recently visited the Heat Treatment Congress in Köln, Germany, where he studies a number of interesting heating elements and devices that could help understand how Industrial Heat is planning to use its E-Cat Reactors.

Bob explains that the purpose of this video is to try to understand Industrial Heat’s strategy for industrial use of the E-Cat, and are asking: “What is the cat’s first home?”

  • Billy Jackson

    If we took nothing more than a Alumina container roughly same size, and dimension of the one used in the test. Applied the same wattage of power and let it running for several days using nothing but the container as the experiment.. how hot would it be? would that simple experiment not show that Rossi’s was proven correct? if the heating from the container never approached that 1400+ Celsius temperatures then something had to be going on.. it seems that if you can apply the same wattage to a similar device that the differences in temperature readings would be the actual ” Rossi effect”

    would seem an easy way to prove something is happening even if we didnt know what it was.

  • Good work Bob. The image of the housings at 5:25, going by the terra cotta floor tile, look like they were taken in Rossi’s setup in Italy 2013 before shipping the set-up to North Carolina.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes

  • Bernie777

    Is Rossi trying to replace furnace heating elements with the E-Cat? Yes, that has been obvious for two years.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I feel a bit of a fool in that case, was it really obvious for two years? Where was this discussed? I must have my head in the sand! It would be really helpful if you could point out any additional info I have missed over the past two years so I can present something that at least is keeping up with common knowledge. Geez and I spent 10 hours putting the video together, I would rather have slept if all I was doing was pointing out what everybody already knew.

      Personally speaking, I must be slow, I was only aware that he was using furnace element technology to heat reactors to operating temperature from early last year, but the hottest stable teperature there was independent reliable evidence for before the recent report, was from the Ferrara experiment report released 16.5.2013, in that report, they said a reactor had shown a hottest spot of 859.1ºC. Before that there was no real hard evidence of anything other than something useful to produce process steam.

      Had Rossi specifically said before that he was developing products for the furnace industry?

      • Billy Jackson

        i wouldn’t say that invalidates your video. just that the video makes all the pieces collected together easier to understand for those of us who are not as well versed 🙂 I think he’s stated all along that his first product was going to be a heating device (aka furnace or water heater) and that he had one heating his plant at one point (unconfirmed except via rossi statement)

        • Bob Greenyer

          Few, I feel better now, it has been a punishing two weeks.

          • artefact

            Great video.

            Rossi was asked to use some new develeped stirling engines to couple with the HotCat. He said he wants only to use products that are on the market. He seems to follow that line also with the parts the HotCat consists of (the heating tube in the video) as long as that is possible.

          • Freethinker

            No need to feel anything bad, Bob.

            I thank you for your video. It was illuminating.

          • bitplayer

            Great job, Bob, and very well worth the clearly extensive effort. It brings newcomers up to date, locks in the view that IH is targeting the market for “industrial heat”, and reinforces the idea that IH/Rossi are being serious about commercialization.

      • Bernie777

        Goes way back to when he was touting the home E-Cat, and heating his work space with an E-Cat. Don’t beat yourself up to much, not everyone has the time to be an LENR internet junkie.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Is Rossi trying to replace furnace heating elements with the E-Cat? Yes, that has been obvious for two years.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I feel a bit of a fool in that case, was it really obvious for two years? Where was this discussed? I must have my head in the sand! It would be really helpful if you could point out any additional info I have missed over the past two years so I can present something that at least is keeping up with common knowledge. Geez and I spent 10 hours putting the video together, I would rather have slept if all I was doing was pointing out what everybody already knew.

      Personally speaking, I must be slow, I was only aware that he was using furnace element technology to heat reactors to operating temperature from early last year, but the hottest stable teperature there was independent reliable evidence for before the recent report, was from the Ferrara experiment report released 16.5.2013, in that report, they said a reactor had shown a hottest spot of 859.1ºC. Before that there was no real hard evidence of anything other than something useful to produce process steam.

      Had Rossi specifically said before that he was developing products for the furnace industry?

      • Billy Jackson

        i wouldn’t say that invalidates your video. just that the video makes all the pieces collected together easier to understand for those of us who are not as well versed 🙂 I think he’s stated all along that his first product was going to be a heating device (aka furnace or water heater) and that he had one heating his plant at one point (unconfirmed except via rossi statement)

        • Bob Greenyer

          Few, I feel better now, it has been a punishing two weeks.

          • artefact

            Great video.

            Rossi was asked to use some new develeped stirling engines to couple with the HotCat. He said he wants only to use products that are on the market. He seems to follow that line also with the parts the HotCat consists of (the heating tube in the video) as long as that is possible.

          • Freethinker

            No need to feel anything bad, Bob.

            I thank you for your video. It was illuminating.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Goes way back to when he was touting the home E-Cat, and heating his work space with an E-Cat. Don’t beat yourself up too much, not everyone has the time to be an LENR internet junkie.

  • That was interesting. Thanks Bob!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Supported by the interested public, the MFMP functions to bring understanding and independent and empirically derived facts to this field, whatever they maybe.

      This will help guide our tests of the Lugano Report. This will be a tough journey as we are travelling with partial sight, but there are many definite tests we can conduct that will add further resolution to the story.

      We are very happy that many new faces are helping us with the effort, particularly on exploring control logic.

  • Obvious

    Nice job, Bob. It was good to see recent boiler tech compared what Rossi and IH are doing. It shows that they know what they are attempting to do, and that the designs we have seen from them are not “one off” creations made out of necessity, instead of a planned replacement part.

    I’ll leave you with an enigmatic response from Rossi regarding gas use and the mouse:

    Q: 1: Does the “mouse” in the newest version of the E-cat do more than just
    replacing the gas burner of the gas-cat version ? Honestly, It is very difficult
    to understand a “gas-cat” without chimneys on the container or on each one of
    the reactors.
    A: no.
    JoNP – April 8, 2013

    • Bob Greenyer

      Classic Rossi

  • Herb Gillis

    Perhaps someone familiar with this industry could compile a list of the major players? It would then be possible, by process of elimination, to determine which one(s) are most likely to be IH’s customer. One would suspect it would be a player that has a track record of adopting new technologies early, and a strong environmental commitment. Have any of the industry players made positive public statements about either LENR or the Ecat in the past?

  • Hi all

    Knowing who is involved in Industrial Heat and looking at their history, the obvious product is bricks 😉

    http://www.cherokeefund.com/bio/tdarden.htm

    “‘…Beginning in 1984, he (Tom Darden) served for 16 years as the Chairman of Cherokee Sanford Group, the largest privately-held brick manufacturing company in the United States and previously the Southeast’s largest soil remediation company…”

    http://www.cherokeefund.com/history.htm

    Turning polluted land in to bricks?

    Time to start hunting E-Cats a place to start
    https://generalshale.com/company/company-overview.php

    Who is involved?
    Who has invested recently?
    Where are the numbers?
    What do they say?

    It all apears to be one of the biggest purely privately held companies in the US. No stock listing, no list of board members, a giant LLC. The preferred companies of the spooks hmm.

    Kind Regards walker

    • HS61AF91

      Paving stones and ceramic tile with the logo in the lower right… “made with e-cat clean energy”

    • hempenearth

      Three and a half hour drive for Rossi to get from Raleigh to Grover, where General Shale acquired a manufacturing facility in late 2013

  • Ophelia Rump

    It seems like the first industrial installation is a retrofit.
    The Industrial Heat designs look like replacement parts.
    This would mean that there can be no easy fall back to the original heat source in the event of an outage.

    • Hi all

      In Reply to Ophelia Rump, I see no reason they cannot go back to the old system if they needed. From the video it looks like replacement parts so like using a reusable battery rather than a single shot, heat is heat can come from any source. Just do not bother to attach the high voltage, or just reduce the current, probably part of the design anyway, or reduce the gas.

      If as I suspect they are brick furnaces then they will probably have a patent for an LENR heated brick furnace and indeed any other type of furnace.

      First though they will simply make bricks at 5% less than their competitors, slowly driving them out of business. A good reason to keep the technology quiet while taking the massive extra profits and as they are an LLC no one will be any the wiser for at least a year or two, all the skepto-numpties do is make Rossi and Darden more money ROFL :D.

      Kind Regards walker

      • Ophelia Rump

        I was thinking of easy fallback being in the sense of switching off one system and switching the other on.

        They would need to cool the furnace, pull it apart and rebuild it, then reheat it.
        I can see why the customer would not like that, yes they could fall back but not easily.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      I don’t think they just going to flip the switch here. They likely have several furnaces in place and are running a furnace now. So the existing furnace will continue to run until the bugs are worked out of the e-cat furnace. I mean on any industrial job site they don’t just run one diesel generator, but have several and can take one off line for maintains while another runs.

      I suspect the situation is much the same for these industrial furnaces (they have several on site).

      However I dare say that the “path” and business ideas of Rossi and IH are much clearer. And I think this bodes well that day by day this slams the nail deeper and deeper that Rossi’s e-cat is HIGHLY unlikely some kind of scam. Everything shows a direction and a man on a mission, and mission that makes a lot of sense.

      Regards,
      Albert k.

  • Ophelia Rump

    It seems like the first industrial installation is a retrofit.
    The Industrial Heat designs look like replacement parts.
    This would mean that there can be no easy fall back to the original heat source in the event of an outage.

    • Hi all

      In Reply to Ophelia Rump, I see no reason they cannot go back to the old system if they needed. From the video it looks like replacement parts so like using a reusable battery rather than a single shot, heat is heat can come from any source. Just do not bother to attach the high voltage, or just reduce the current, probably part of the design anyway, or reduce the gas.

      If as I suspect they are brick furnaces then they will probably have a patent for an LENR heated brick furnace and indeed any other type of furnace.

      First though they will simply make bricks at 5% less than their competitors, slowly driving them out of business. A good reason to keep the technology quiet while taking the massive extra profits and as they are an LLC no one will be any the wiser for at least a year or two, all the skepto-numpties do is make Rossi and Darden more money ROFL :D.

      Kind Regards walker

      • Ophelia Rump

        I was thinking of easy fallback being in the sense of switching off one system and switching the other on.

        They would need to cool the furnace, pull it apart and rebuild it, then reheat it.
        I can see why the customer would not like that, yes they could fall back but not easily. It is certainly not something you could transition without interruption.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      I don’t think they just going to flip the switch here. They likely have several furnaces in place and are running a furnace now. So the existing furnace will continue to run until the bugs are worked out of the e-cat furnace. I mean on any industrial job site they don’t just run one diesel generator, but have several and can take one off line for maintains while another runs.

      I suspect the situation is much the same for these industrial furnaces (they have several on site).

      However I dare say that the “path” and business ideas of Rossi and IH are much clearer. And I think this bodes well that day by day this slams the nail deeper and deeper that Rossi’s e-cat is HIGHLY unlikely some kind of scam. Everything shows a direction and a man on a mission, and mission that makes a lot of sense.

      Regards,
      Albert k.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes