Robert Godes of Brillouin Energy Visits Finnish Officials and Statoil in Norway [Updated with Picture]

The following post was submitted by Patrik Wiksten

I was in contact with Robert Godes today regarding a meeting he attended in Finland with an interesting group of people. Among those attending was Pekka Haavisto, minister of international development in Finland. I sent him an email and got a swift reply with some interesting names.

Hopefully I will be able to get some more information from those who arranged the meeting and perhaps also an interview.

One interesting thing about this is the debate in Finland regarding a new nuclear power plant. Perhaps they are looking at LENR as a potential alternative?

Robert Godes also has had a meeting with Statoil in Norway which is the state controlled oil company in Norway. Interesting Tweet-replies from Godes:

He refused to talk about where Brillouin were in the process when I had my talk with him via Skype. It is VERY interesting that the Finnish government AND Statoil chooses to talk with Brillouin though…

Patrik Wiksten

UPDATE: I received this note from a Finnish reader:

I am Finnish and I can tell that Pekka Haavisto isn’t any more minister of international development. Pekka Haavisto is member of The Greens of Finland. The Greens of Finland resigned from government in two month ago. Reason was permission to build new nuclear plant to Finland.

More information:

http://yle.fi/uutiset/green_party_votes_unanimously_to_leave_government/7482977
http://valtioneuvosto.fi/hallitus/jasenet/en.jsp

UPDATE 2: This photo was provided by a reader here. I think this is the meeting with the Finns, but can’t be sure. Robert Godes’ face is obscured by the gentleman with the white hair; sitting to Godes’ left is Robert George, also of Brillouin.

Godes

Thanks to a Finnish reader who points out that it looks like Pekka Haavisto is sitting at the head of the table:

http://haavisto2012.fi/en/who-is-pekka-haavisto/

  • Buck

    Another hole in the armor “protecting” the world against change.

    • bachcole

      The first plus to your comment was mine. Disqus is broken for me. I can’t seem to sign in, and erasing my history back 4 hours did not help any. So now I am reduced to being a guest forever, unless someone has a solution. Disqus is more interested in getting paid subscribers than helping commentors.

      • pelgrim108
      • Same thing happened to me yesterday (Disqus wouldn’t allow me to log in). I requested a password reset and that seems to have fixed things.

        As Pelgrim108 says, disabling cookies can cause problems. I use an ‘extension’ that destroys cookies at the end of each browser session instead.

        • georgehants

          Peter just re-logged in no problem, I think it may have something to do with the quality of the nickname,

          • Hi George. Could be. More likely it’s something to do with my computer – it’s almost as old and knackered as I am.

            That said, Disqus has logged me out for some reason, and only let me back on the second attempt. Bring back carrier pigeons.

  • Billy Jackson

    I would remind you that the gains we make now are a 2 edged sword.. if the popularity is pushed to fast with nothing to show for it. (no working device). the backlash of public disappointment can severely affect funding for future LENR projects.

    the weight is shifting to our side slowly but surely. but i will warn that they are not going to let go easily of their views or power.

    • LuFong

      Interesting. I wonder of any of this has to do with this Finnish patent: http://www.scribd.com/doc/244926252/THERMAL-ENERGY-PRODUCING-SYSTEM-AND-METHOD

      Looks a lot like Rossi’s early E-Cats but with incredible amount of detail.

      Was Pekka Soininen the Inventor listed with this patent or a representative from Etiam Oy present?

      • Dr. Mike

        LuFong,
        Very Interesting. Rossi needs to check out this patent to see the detail and scope needed for a reasonable patent application. Note how the patent not only contained no information that was not disclosed, they tried to cover every possible material that might be used as the fuel for their reactor.
        Dr. Mike

        • LuFong

          Rossi not too long ago claimed he tried to repeat all his competitors’ patents with no success (except maybe one, Ahern (?)). This patent came out over a year ago so maybe there is nothing to it but I just came across it today and noticed the Finnish connection.

          • Omega Z

            This was discussed here at ECW when it first became public.

            Rossi/IH attempted many competitors designs & found at least 2 with good results. Ahern & 1 other.

      • GordonDocherty

        I came across this patent as well after the Lugano experiment, looking for any possible relevant Patent info.

        Now I’ve just reread it (with a clearer mind than just after the experiment), I see it provides an excellent theoretical / practical crossover and, whilst it needs reading over many times to digest its subtleties (at least, I needed to read it several times), it nicely “ticks all the boxes”, especially geometrical constraints (provided by interstitial compounds with fractures / trenches held stable by impurities in the crystal structure), various transport mechanisms, and so on…

        Well worth reading (and, in my case at least, re-reading 🙂 ). This patent also shows why chemists were best placed to investigate LENR in the first place…

        • LuFong

          My only concern is it’s someone who’s surveyed the state of the art and tried to capture as many elements of a technology as possible in hopes that something in there is correct. I have no idea if this is true or not. It appears that they’ve actually achieved some over unity with some of the examples. Anyway it is a very interesting read but it is long so I’m impressed that you’ve gone through more than once. It is so thorough that it seems it actually can be repeated by someone active in the field but it’s been over a year since it’s been published.

    • Fortyniner

      Agree. Publicity before a pilot plant is demonstrated and backed up by data would serve little purpose and would probably be counterproductive for several reasons, including the one you suggest.

      Frustrating though it is to us onlookers, IH are following the right course, at least as far as introduction is concerned.

  • Billy Jackson

    I would remind you that the gains we make now are a 2 edged sword.. if the popularity is pushed to fast with nothing to show for it. (no working device). the backlash of public disappointment can severely affect funding for future LENR projects.

    the weight is shifting to our side slowly but surely. but i will warn that they are not going to let go easily of their views or power.

    • Agree. Publicity before a pilot plant is demonstrated and backed up by data would serve little purpose and would probably be counterproductive for several reasons, including the one you suggest.

      Frustrating though it is to us onlookers, IH are following the right course, at least as far as introduction is concerned.

  • Herb Gillis

    Did I read this correctly? Godes is saying he has geophysical evidence of LENR (from Statoil)? Has anyone looked for isotope anomalies in these hydrogenation beds?

    • Joniale

      Where did you read that?

  • Curbina

    Certainly interesting to hear mention of an industrial problem caused by spontaneous LENR. Ideed really interesting!!!

  • Curbina

    Certainly interesting to hear mention of an industrial problem caused by spontaneous LENR. Ideed really interesting!!!

  • Albert D. Kallal

    I would think the oil and gas industry is VERY interested in the “status” of LENR. (do they invest billions into new oil projects or wait?).
    Also oil refining plants use LARGE amounts of heat – LENR could be used to lower costs of refining petroleum products.

    And I am “most” curious as to Godes refusing to talk about Brillouin. I assume by “refuse” one simply means they don’t want to disclose how close they are to a commercial product, and not a “general” comment as to not wanting to talk about Brillouin in general? Reading that comment one way is “very” good, and reading this comment the other way would be very bad!

    • jousterusa

      The likely model of cold fusion deployment would not be attractive to oil and gas people, I think, because whether sooner or later, Rossi’s miracle will find its way down to the common man, and just as people as unskilled as myself have built hydrogen generators for our cars, ordinary people two or three decades from now will build their own version of the E-Cat. That is not something oil and gas people can reach.

      BTW, I have built a new website that I hope will impact implementation of cold fusion. It’s at http://www.americansforresponsibility.com.

      • Joniale

        I totally agree with you.
        LENR is still a big thread for Oil companies and countries that depends on Oil.
        By the way, EEUU depends completely of Oil. As you know, the oil market is handled in dollars. If the oil market dissapear, the EEUU will not have all the interest coming from all the nations that are forced to buy dollars to take their oil.
        That is a lot of money, and that is the reason why governments like Venezuela or Iran who decided to offer oil in other currencies are the biggest enemy.

        Taking into account all this. Do you think it is safe to have IH in EEUU?. What do you think it will happen if this succeed?.
        I think the main objective of the government is to have this technology under control so that they can cash about the energy. But as you said that is impossible.
        They will probably adopt for middle solutions LENR in big plants and try to delay the home made LENR.
        For me, it would be better that Rossi and all research move to an oil independent country that is thirsty to find new energies. Norway, China and Russia could be options.
        What do you think?

      • Albert D. Kallal

        In the mean time, we still need fuel, plastics, and a huge array of products created by the petro chemical industry.
        I think you missing my point. Saudi Arabia just purchased 4 nuclear reactors. They can save several 100,000 barrels off oil a day by doing this (and then export the lucrative oil instead of burning that oil for energy to power their country).

        The simple matter is the petro chemical industry is not going away over night. You can sell me some nuclear box that gives me lots of energy at below current market rates for industrial processing of petro chemical products, then for what reason on earth would a company not purchase such a technology? Companies purchase a computer because it generates MORE wealth and production then the cost of that “box”. The same goes for LENR. In fact we see Rossi strategy is EXACTLY along this kind of thinking.

        The first target for Rossi is those VERY energy “hungry” business that require lots of heat in their business processes – it just so turns out the petro chemical industry is one of those industries. In fact early adopters in such industry could get a leg up on competitors by dropping costs faster then those not adopting LENR into their business and industrial processes. And I saw many a business become un-competitive by NOT adopting computers into their processes, I see LENR much the same issue – it can reduce a given cost in a business, especially for any industry required loads of heat, like say a brick making company, or a petro chemical refining plant.

        Regards,
        Albert k

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I remember something about a retired chemist on some website mentioning that there were explosions in a plant that was manufacturing magnesium hydride (pre LENR days) that
    in retrospect he thought might have been due to LENR (might have been traces of nickel in the hydride) but I can’t find it when I search the web.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I remember something about a retired chemist on some website mentioning that there were explosions in a plant that was manufacturing magnesium hydride (pre LENR days) that
    in retrospect he thought might have been due to LENR (might have been traces of nickel in the hydride) but I can’t find it when I search the web.

  • gautea

    Aha. Statoil in Norway. Good. Hope the norwegian goverment invest billions in LENR soon. We can afford it. Its only because swedish professors are involved with Andrea Rossis E cat, i guess. That s why Norwegians woke up. Thanks to the brilliant swedish professors…

    • GreenWin

      Norway’s Sovereign Wealth Fund (aka Petroleum Trust) is largest in the world; close to 1Trillion dollars in value. It would be an act of world leadership for Norway to dedicate a laboratory and significant funding to LENR commercial development. They claim to be investing $8B in environmental projects next year.

      In which case the solution to carbon-based global warming is transition to non-fossil/fission LENR. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/24/norways-sovereign-wealth-fund-ramps-up-investment-plans/?_r=0

      • NT

        We can hope that a few (at least) large oil companies “now realize” that LENR could one day soon be their new bottom line…

  • Guest
  • Andreas Moraitis

    Excellent news. Imagine that oil companies start research in LENR in order to avoid LENR (in their production sites), while others pursue LENR research in order to produce energy. Different objectives, same action. We need more of such synergies in society.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Excellent news. Imagine that oil companies start research in LENR in order to avoid LENR (in their production sites), while others pursue LENR research in order to produce energy. Different objectives, same action. We need more of such synergies in society.

  • Axil Axil

    http://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-89/issue-24/in-this-issue/refining/rust-catalyzed-ethylene-hydrogenation-causes-temperature-runaway.html

    RUST CATALYZED ETHYLENE HYDROGENATION CAUSES TEMPERATURE RUNAWAY

    The petroleum industry has thermal runaway problems when micro particles contaminate hydrogen processing equipment.

    • Mr. Moho

      Don’t hydrocarbons generally start breaking down at a relatively low temperature though? Could a 1300+°C LENR reactor operating with such processes (assuming they are due to LENR and produce excess heat) be possible?

      • Freethinker

        LENR is likely a complete zoo of reactions that can take place, and what elements and materials are favorable for different reactions. “Rust” may or may not play a part in Rossi invention.

    • Freethinker

      Now, that is an interesting report …. No wonder Statoil, being open minded Norwegians, is paying attention. Unexplained endothermic reactions at 100 C. A must read.

      • Sanjeev

        So rust (Fe3O4 or Fe2O3) can be a good candidate for the catalyst.

        The fuel analysis in the report2 does show iron, see page 44.
        Perhaps an expert reader can tell us how much iron is seen in the fuel. Note that it completely disappears in the ash.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Hi Sanjeev,

          Please see our old blog post here reporting on MFMP team member Bob Higgins approach to adding partially reduced Fe2O3 (a know hydrogen disassociation catalyst) to appropriate carbonyl nickel.

          http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/dormant-experiments/powder-test-cells/372-adding-nano-scale-features-to-macro-scale-metals-for-lenr-applications

          Powder produced in this way is now in France and Minnesota in addition to Higgins own lab ready for our powder experiments.

          • Sanjeev

            Excellent. Good to know that you guys are already considering it.
            May be its function is dissociation of H2, but its absence in the ash indicates it does something more. And it looks like the reaction continues even after all the iron is gone. The other possibility is that the ash analysis is incorrect.

            I just want to remind you that DGT used a spark plug in their reactor. This may also help in dissociation. So I suggest building one tube with arrangement for a spark plug also. Why leave this stone unturned.

          • Bob Greenyer
          • Sanjeev

            Yes, I had seen that one. I meant a new setup with a spark plug added to the Alumina tube, for the current hot cat replication/experiment.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The plan is to put the reactants into an alumina crucible in that cell!

          • Sanjeev

            That should serve the purpose then.

          • US_Citizen71

            Could it be that the iron due to its ability to hold a large quantity of heat and ability to be be easily heated by magnetic flux was able to attach itself to the inner wall of the reactor by simply partially melting a nano layer of the inner wall?

      • GreenWin

        Norway’s Sovereign Wealth Fund (aka Petroleum Trust) is largest in the world; close to 1Trillion dollars in value. It would be an act of world leadership for Norway to dedicate a laboratory and significant funding to LENR commercial development. They claim to be investing $8B in environmental projects next year.

        In which case the solution to carbon-based global warming is transition to non-fossil/fission LENR. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/24/norways-sovereign-wealth-fund-ramps-up-investment-plans/?_r=0

        • NT

          We can hope that a few (at least) large oil companies “now realize” that LENR could one day soon be their new bottom line…

      • bitplayer

        While it’s interesting (stunning? heartening? wonderful?) that these people HAD this meeting, what I find more interesting is that ALL these people were persuaded to COME to the meeting in the first place.

        Do you suppose they were told karjalanpiirakka would be served at break?

        • Jouni

          Actually I am stunned that Brillouin etc got the chance to meet top people in Finland.
          Hope they have had some information, that other cold fusion scientists have not had.
          My vote goes to those who have been investing in the research of neglegted reseach.

          • Bernie777

            Maybe research announcements from Elforsk have opened some doors for Brillouin in Finland and Norway? Slow but sure, we are seeing LENR being accepted. I can see the headlines now, “US scientific community, apathetic, corrupt, asleep at the LENR switch”

          • Andreas Moraitis

            I had the same idea. Elforsk could arrange a test of Brillouin’s reactor, maybe under more favourable conditions.

          • This would be nice!
            With better independence as Rossis-friends-professors 😉

          • roseland67

            Barty,
            I would prefer Rossi’s most bitter enemies doing
            Any additional testing

        • psi2u2

          It seems more likely that they came expecting to learn the news of significant new developments in LENR.

          • bitplayer

            Dr. Calvin: “Are you being funny?”
            Detective Spooner: “I guess not.”

            Note to self: work harder on the implicative humor.

    • Herb Gillis

      Hydrogenation of ethylene is an exothermic reaction.

  • Axil Axil

    http://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-89/issue-24/in-this-issue/refining/rust-catalyzed-ethylene-hydrogenation-causes-temperature-runaway.html

    RUST CATALYZED ETHYLENE HYDROGENATION CAUSES TEMPERATURE RUNAWAY

    The petroleum industry has thermal runaway problems when micro particles contaminate hydrogen processing equipment.

    Ed Storms tell a story of how Rossi first got interested in LENR when he saw a thermal runaway in a oil waste process. Does anyone know the details of this story?

    • Freethinker

      Now, that is an interesting report …. No wonder Statoil, being open minded Norwegians, is paying attention.

      “All experiments were run at atmospheric pressure in the DSC. The following potential catalysts were tested in the DSC: commercial nickel hydrogenation/methanation catalyst, reagent grade ferro-ferric (iron) oxide (Fe3O4), fine rust scraped from the inside of stored carbon steel pipes and vessels, and 3A molecular sieve desiccant.”

      “Strong exotherms were detected for both reactions at 350 C. This indicates that, at this temperature, both reactions proceed rapidly over the reduced-rust catalyst. A strong ethylene hydrogenation exotherm was also found over the reduced-rust catalyst at 200 C., and a mild exotherm at 150 C.”

      And a unexplained endothermic reaction at 100C.

      • Sanjeev

        So rust (Fe3O4 or Fe2O3) can be a good candidate for the catalyst.

        The fuel analysis in the report2 does show iron, see page 44.
        Perhaps an expert reader can tell us how much iron is seen in the fuel. Note that it completely disappears in the ash.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Hi Sanjeev,

          Please see our old blog post here reporting on MFMP team member Bob Higgins approach to adding partially reduced Fe2O3 (a know hydrogen disassociation catalyst) to appropriate carbonyl nickel.

          http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/dormant-experiments/powder-test-cells/372-adding-nano-scale-features-to-macro-scale-metals-for-lenr-applications

          Powder produced in this way is now in France and Minnesota in addition to Higgins own lab ready for our powder experiments.

          • Sanjeev

            Excellent. Good to know that you guys are already considering it.
            May be its function is dissociation of H2, but its absence in the ash indicates it does something more. And it looks like the reaction continues even after all the iron is gone. The other possibility is that the ash analysis is incorrect.

            I just want to remind you that DGT used a spark plug in their reactor. This may also help in dissociation. So I suggest building one tube with arrangement for a spark plug also. Why leave this stone unturned.

          • Bob Greenyer
          • Sanjeev

            Yes, I had seen that one. I meant a new setup with a spark plug added to the Alumina tube, for the current hot cat replication/experiment.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The plan is to put the reactants into an alumina crucible in that cell!

          • Sanjeev

            That should serve the purpose then.

          • US_Citizen71

            Could it be that the iron due to its ability to hold a large quantity of heat and ability to be be easily heated by magnetic flux was able to attach itself to the inner wall of the reactor by simply partially melting a nano layer of the inner wall?

    • Herb Gillis

      Hydrogenation of ethylene is an exothermic reaction.

  • GordonDocherty

    If anywhere has been wise with oil and their investments, its Norway:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/13/north-sea-oil-money-uk-norwegians-fund

    So, (also) moving into LENR would be just the kind of wise investment Norway would make – especially as warmth and light are a matter of life and death in Norway, and they have a strong social ethic – “going it alone” in Norway is just not an option, unless you are determined to die of hypothermia that is.

  • GordonDocherty

    If anywhere has been wise with oil and their investments, its Norway:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/13/north-sea-oil-money-uk-norwegians-fund

    So, (also) moving into LENR would be just the kind of wise investment Norway would make – especially as warmth and light are a matter of life and death in Norway, and they have a strong social ethic – “going it alone” in Norway is just not an option, unless you are determined to die of hypothermia that is.

  • Anonymous

    Just one note: Pekka Haavisto is not minister any more, but just a normal member of Finnish parliament. So Finnish government is probably not involved in this.

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks very much — I got a couple of other comments about this, and have updated the post above with this information.

  • georgehants

    Hydrocarbon Fuels Aren’t Fossils
    http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Ingles2/FossilFuels.html

    • Frechette

      Russian geologists have been saying this for years. They were jeered at by western experst needless to say.

  • georgehants

    Hydrocarbon Fuels Aren’t Fossils
    http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Ingles2/FossilFuels.html

    • Frechette

      Russian geologists have been saying this for years. They were jeered at by western experst needless to say.

  • georgehants
  • georgehants
  • georgehants

    The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang
    http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp

  • georgehants

    The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang
    http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp

    • Thank George. i know it’s off topic but we can see 13 billion light years in one direction, turn Hubble around and we see 13 billion light years in the other direction. they tell us the known universe is around 14 billion years old. This, once again puts us in the center of creation. My guess is the Big Bang happened somewhere in New Jersey.

      • georgehants

        Barry, ha, yes that would be about what most scientists would conclude.
        As you are clearly aware the big bang is just another guess and fair working hypotheses from our qualified experts.
        The problem comes when these clowns start to teach it to students etc. as if it is a proven Fact.
        We must always remember that Cold Fusion has been deemed by the scientific priests to be impossible.

  • John Littlemist

    Pekka Haavisto used to be the minister of international development in Finland. Now he is an EX-minister since his party (the Green League) left the cabinet of Finland due to controversy in allowing new nuclear plants to be built in Finland. Anyways, this is interesting news.

  • John Littlemist

    Pekka Haavisto used to be the minister of international development in Finland. Now he is an EX-minister since his party (the Green League) left the cabinet of Finland due to controversy in allowing new nuclear plants to be built in Finland. Anyways, this is interesting news.

  • Jan Nie

    Few years I keep such suspicion: When Rossi many years back experimented with waste into fuel, so he for sure had tonnes rusted scrap and some hydrocarbons too. And this is possible time when he got first signals of something outside standard chemical tables.

    • Mr. Moho

      It’s entirely possible in fact. I wonder if something useful for the ongoing replication efforts can be learned from those processes.

  • Jan Nie

    Few years I keep such suspicion: When Rossi many years back experimented with waste into fuel, so he for sure had tonnes rusted scrap and some hydrocarbons too. And this is possible time when he got first signals of something outside standard chemical tables.

  • John Littlemist

    It is nice too see how the MaryYugo of Finland, Tyy, is working his way up to be the greatest clown in the world. He seems to be spamming his opinions everywhere. Tyy, why don’t you just stick to your own pathosckeptic.com site?

    • John Littlemist
      • psi2u2

        Wow. You guys are not kidding when you say that he is in the race for the moron of the decade award.

    • Freethinker

      😀

      I have had my run ins with that guy too …. I think he is only very pale copy of George Hody, though.

    • pelgrim108

      The gentleman with the white hair sitting nearest to the photographer
      is Van Hipp
      Chairman of American Defense International, Inc.
      former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Army
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Hipp,_Jr

      • bitplayer

        Just as long as he’s not actually IN the US Gov’t, right?

        • pelgrim108

          Van D. Hipp, Jr. (born June 9, 1960) is Chairman of American Defense International, Inc. (ADI), a Washington, DC-based consulting firm specializing in government affairs, business development and public relations.

          He is problably making money with his acces to government of wich he WAS part of.

          • bitplayer

            Sorry, my irony was a bit thin…

    • Bob Greenyer

      I am having a discussion with him on the Telegraph site

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/11191775/National-Grid-Emergency-measures-to-prevent-winter-blackouts.html#comment-1676100429

      My last response was as Follows…

      It is too important to choose to ignore new information, replicated by independent bodies.

      The independent replication of Mitsubishi industrial by Technova (part of Toyota) proves LENR based transmutation in Pd+D / Laser systems, leading to Mitsubishis patent.

      The replication of Francesco Piantelli Ni+H excess heat by Sienna University, peer reviewed and published proves excess heat, leading to Piantellis patent for LENR based thermal generation.

      Neither of these experiment have been attempted by the MFMP, so there is no necessity for you to “believe” anything our organisation has attempted to still accept that LENR is real.

      In our own volunteer work, that has no commercial motive, we have seen apparent excess from Celani wire well above errors on controls and even in differential experiments. Additionally we have established errors in Celanis initial work that would account for why his first released data was apparently higher than hours. That is to say, we discovered that our work was closer to the truth and that, when errors were accounted for, Celanis results actually were in line with ours, lending credibility to the collective findings. We have also seen signs of transmutation post long run experiments and have therefore set up a robust double blind third party method for having our fuel and ash studied independently.

      http://goo.gl/W8clXj

      It would be helpful if your presented your opinions with some factual based evidence, like for instance, independently replicated experiments that prove that both Mitsubishi and Piantelli work cannot happen.

      Science is not about opinion, it is about best understanding based on empirical evidence derived from experiments that can replicated. In each of the above 3 examples, that standard is achieved.

      If you choose not to learn more, then there is nothing that can be done, however, your comments, which are based on your chosen opinion, are irresponsible and dangerous.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Interestingly – the Telegraph are deleting my posts

        • bitplayer

          I see your posts from 8 days ago. I just added one to that thread.

          • psi2u2

            And I went to Tyy’s ridiculous website and posted a comment pointing out his hypocrisy. He has not responded. He seems to like talking to himself.

        • psi2u2

          Sometimes posts appear to have been lost or deleted but it is a bug. I’ve noticed this is especially the case on highly trafficked comments sections. So I would be careful about coming to soon to any conclusion about censorship. Just my five cents worth as a fellow travelling humanist…..;)

          • Bob Greenyer

            You are right. I saw no posts… but went there to see all of my attempted posts, posted. I have cleaned up my double posts from the thread. Thanks

          • psi2u2

            You’re very welcome. I have had the same experience. Keep up the great work!

      • psi2u2

        Excellent Bob, thanks for the update!

    • pelgrim108

      Elforsk has released a new edition of their magazine Perspektiv
      PDF from Elforsk
      http://www.elforsk.se/Global/Trycksaker%20och%20broschyrer/Elforsk_perspektiv_2_2014.pdf
      In it is an article about the E-Cat

      The news outlet form LENR-forum is seeking help with the translation
      http://www.lenrnews.eu/elforsk-perspektiv-2-2014/

      • Buck

        Pelgrim108,

        thank you for your translation effort. As a suggestion, you might want to place this entry with all the links on the “Always Open” thread. It was only because of good luck that I came across this post.

        I believe it very important to recognize that Elforsk CEO M. Olofsson has again gone on the record. This Elforsk affirmation of LENR and the Hot-Cat is prepping the Scandanavian industry, government, and citizenry.

        Thank you again for sharing this is great news.

        • pelgrim108

          Thanks. I will do that.

  • John Littlemist

    It is nice too see how the MaryYugo of Finland, Tyy, is working his way up to be the greatest clown in the world. He seems to be spamming his opinions everywhere. Tyy, why don’t you just stick to your own pathosckeptic.com site?

    • John Littlemist
      • psi2u2

        Wow. You guys are not kidding when you say that he is in the race for the moron of the decade award.

    • Freethinker

      😀

      I have had my run ins with that guy too …. I think he is only very pale copy of George Hody, though.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I am having a discussion with him on the Telegraph site

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/11191775/National-Grid-Emergency-measures-to-prevent-winter-blackouts.html#comment-1676100429

      My last response was as Follows…

      It is too important to choose to ignore new information, replicated by independent bodies.

      The independent replication of Mitsubishi industrial by Technova (part of Toyota) proves LENR based transmutation in Pd+D / Laser systems, leading to Mitsubishis patent.

      The replication of Francesco Piantelli Ni+H excess heat by Sienna University, peer reviewed and published proves excess heat, leading to Piantellis patent for LENR based thermal generation.

      Neither of these experiment have been attempted by the MFMP, so there is no necessity for you to “believe” anything our organisation has attempted to still accept that LENR is real.

      In our own volunteer work, that has no commercial motive, we have seen apparent excess from Celani wire well above errors on controls and even in differential experiments. Additionally we have established errors in Celanis initial work that would account for why his first released data was apparently higher than hours. That is to say, we discovered that our work was closer to the truth and that, when errors were accounted for, Celanis results actually were in line with ours, lending credibility to the collective findings. We have also seen signs of transmutation post long run experiments and have therefore set up a robust double blind third party method for having our fuel and ash studied independently.

      http://goo.gl/W8clXj

      It would be helpful if your presented your opinions with some factual based evidence, like for instance, independently replicated experiments that prove that both Mitsubishi and Piantelli work cannot happen.

      Science is not about opinion, it is about best understanding based on empirical evidence derived from experiments that can replicated. In each of the above 3 examples, that standard is achieved.

      If you choose not to learn more, then there is nothing that can be done, however, your comments, which are based on your chosen opinion, are irresponsible and dangerous.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Interestingly – the Telegraph are deleting my posts

        • psi2u2

          Sometimes posts appear to have been lost or deleted but it is a bug. I’ve noticed this is especially the case on highly trafficked comments sections. So I would be careful about coming to soon to any conclusion about censorship. Just my five cents worth as a fellow travelling humanist…..;)

          • Bob Greenyer

            You are right. I saw no posts… but went there to see all of my attempted posts, posted. I have cleaned up my double posts from the thread. Thanks

          • psi2u2

            You’re very welcome. I have had the same experience. Keep up the great work!

      • psi2u2

        Excellent Bob, thanks for the update!

  • John Littlemist

    The picture is from Pekka Haavisto’s Twitter:
    https://twitter.com/Haavisto/status/528177125023813632

    Lady in the corner is most likely Satu Helynen from VTT Finnish Technical Research centre:
    http://fi.linkedin.com/pub/satu-helynen/11/ab8/447

    • John Littlemist

      Pekka Janhunen, is that you next to Satu Helynen?
      This guy is also in the picture: https://twitter.com/KFangberget
      But who is this guy: https://twitter.com/VanHipp

      • pg

        It is him. Pekka can you tell us more about what happened and what is going to happen after the meeting?
        Thank you

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Yes, it is me. No real news compared to what was already known from public sources. It was like a small seminar given by Brillouin to those who were present.

        • Sanjeev

          Well it seems to be a good news that people are no longer ignoring lenr like they used to. This seems to be a fairly high level meeting.

  • John Littlemist

    The picture is from Pekka Haavisto’s Twitter:
    https://twitter.com/Haavisto/status/528177125023813632

    Lady in the corner is most likely Satu Helynen from VTT Finnish Technical Research centre:
    http://fi.linkedin.com/pub/satu-helynen/11/ab8/447

    • John Littlemist

      Pekka Janhunen, is that you next to Satu Helynen?
      This guy is also in the picture: https://twitter.com/KFangberget
      But who is this guy: https://twitter.com/VanHipp

      • pg

        It is him. Pekka can you tell us more about what happened and what is going to happen after the meeting?
        Thank you

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Yes, it is me. No real news compared to what was already known from public sources. It was like a small seminar given by Brillouin to those who were present.

        • Sanjeev

          Well it seems to be a good news that people are no longer ignoring lenr like they used to. This seems to be a fairly high level meeting.

  • Freethinker

    Think you need to go back and redo.

  • Bicke Dutte

    As always, Finland = Winland

  • pelgrim108

    Here is another photo from the meeting.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1Ty4e8IAAE3YOl.jpg

    • Gerard McEk

      It looks that they had a meeting in a sauna… :~)

  • pelgrim108

    Thanks to John Littlemist who found this
    The gentleman with the white hair sitting nearest to the photographer
    is Van Hipp
    Chairman of American Defense International, Inc.
    former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Army
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Hipp,_Jr

  • Gerard McEk

    Why Robert Godes and not e.g. Mckubre or Hagelstein or Celani

    • bitplayer

      Commerce vs science…read ’em and weep.

  • Gerard McEk

    Why Robert Godes and not e.g. Mckubre or Hagelstein or Celani

  • Axil Axil

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.1032v1.pdf

    I just saw an exciting and “off the wall” research paper referenced in
    Phy.org the other day. It violates all the current thinking connected to the
    standard model of particle physics. That paper says that
    nanoplasmonics can cause nuclear effects as a result of meson
    production.

    This could well be a theoretical research topic related to cold fusion
    funded by some interesting organizations. If you notice the
    acknowledgment section of the paper, you will see who funded this research as
    follows:

    MB and CP acknowledge support from the Research
    Council of Norway (Contract No. 221469). MB also
    thanks the Department of Energy and Process Engineering
    (NTNU, Norway) for financial support. CP thanks
    the Swedish Research Council (Contract No. C0485101)
    for financial support. This work was supported by the
    DFG (grant BU 1803/3-1). We thank Dr John Lekner for
    pointing out the relevance for the analysis of the Poisson-
    Jacobi formula (page 124, example 18 in Whittaker and
    Watson)[41]

    This paper proposes that nanoplasmonics can be used to manipulate and
    control the weak force using the Calmir effect and through that weak
    force, control the inner workings of the nucleus.

    The major players in the science infrastructure of Norway and Sweden are
    interested enough in this subject to pay money to mainstream
    scientists to buck the standard model of particle physics with this new theory.

    Could there be a connection between this new paper and the Robert Godes visit
    to Statoil in Norway?

    It sure sounds like a connection with the money paid by the department of energy and
    process engineering. Process engineering could mean a connection to oil refining.

    • Robert Ellefson

      Thanks for posting that paper, Axil. I find it to be quite interesting, and potentially very significant, if it holds true. Unfortunately, I am finding it so interesting that I appear to be talking myself into learning enough of the advanced math and physics I am missing so that I can actually follow all of the derivations and implications properly, instead of skimming them and noting the few major terms that I barely recognize, much less intuitively comprehend. Hopefully the Stanford and MIT video lectures can provide enough background for me to start deep diving. I wish there were more Real Scientists applying themselves to this field openly, so I wouldn’t feel compelled to put so much time into forming and then tossing my amateur observations into the fray, on the remote chances that somebody will find value in them.

    • Nixter

      I read a lot of what you write Axil, if you say that nanoplasmonics are worth considering in relation to LENR then I take notice, nanoplasmonics do seem to be always involved in the theories around LENR. Professor Storms (and a few others), think of you as a spewer of “Word Salads”, but I would respectfully disagree, I think your theories are more like, “Idea Salads” and I suspect that many gifted theorists like yourself suffer from similar accusations because your contributions are a bit above their ability to comprehend.

      If anyone is wondering who Axil Axil is, his identity is not known, but he is a heavy contributer over at Vortex and I have been following everything said there for the last three years or so, Axil is a Vortex participant who demonstrates advanced physics knowledge on a regular basis. ,In other words I think of Axil as one of the worlds leading experts on LENR theory.

      • georgehants

        Nixter, correct me if I am wrong, are you saying that you only take notice of something if somebody you respect tells you to.
        What happens when you read something written by somebody that you do not know.

        • Dods

          So with that logic George, If i was to recommend you a good book to read, all the other books I haven’t read you would imply that I would say that they are rubbish. That does seem abit harsh.

          • georgehants

            Dods, fair comment, looked at simply as you say it, but it would also imply as written, that somebody reading about Cold Fusion etc. would take notice if recommended by somebody they respect, if not, then they would not accept it or not look into the Evidence themselves.
            That is my point.
            If taken literally then every student who reads any past scientific report by scientists they respect regarding Cold Fusion, would have been advised to take no notice and debunk it and would have looked no further.
            Maybe a slightly subtle point but I think important.

        • Nixter

          No George, that is not what I was saying.

      • pelgrim108

        “If anyone is wondering who Axil Axil is, his identity is not known”
        I have a candidate for his identity. I think he has 24 publications to his name and is a postdoc at an American University.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      It should be mentioned that this paper has also been published in The European Physical Journal D:

      http://link.springer.com/article/10.1140/epjd/e2014-50484-8#page-1

      If the described similarities are more than an analogy, we can look forward to exciting times.

  • pelgrim108

    The gentleman on the left of Godes with the red hair is most likely
    Robert W. George II
    CEO of Brillouin
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-george/1/508/399
    41:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oNSSKYEJVk
    http://brillouinenergy.com/?page=our_team

  • pelgrim108

    The gentleman on the left of Godes with the red hair is most likely
    Robert W. George II
    CEO of Brillouin
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robert-george/1/508/399
    41:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oNSSKYEJVk
    http://brillouinenergy.com/?page=our_team

  • Jouni Tuomela

    I am so happy to read this, cause I have for years now been trying to inform politicians like Pekka Haavisto about the probapilities of cold fusion research. He even run for precidency in Finland, lost though. Nice if Pekka Janhunen was invited too.

  • Daniel Maris

    I am concerned about Brillouin’s apparent lack of progress since 2011. Doesn’t anyone know what they’ve actually been up to? Can they be taken seriously. They don’t seem to bother much with their website.

    • bitplayer

      try googling “Brillouin ecatworld” for info since 2011

    • Jimr

      Brillouins is handling their progress and privacy the way any ordinary company developing a new product should, by not announcing progress or status until they have a reliable product. The opposite of you know who.

      • Daniel Maris

        So why then did they announce progress and status back in 2010 and 2011? Not logical, Captain.

        • bitplayer

          Start ups announce *some* progress and status early, in order to attract funding and partners. As they start to get some headway, they may go “stealth” to hide from competition, lawsuits and bad PR. All by degree depending on the situation. Warp factor 10! er, impulse engines?

          • Daniel Maris

            Good recovery there bitplayer! on Jimr’s behalf.

        • psi2u2

          chop, chop. False antitheses are the enemy of clear thinking.

      • Bernie777

        I prefer the semi-transparentcy from the “opposite of you know who”, Rossi/IH.

  • bitplayer

    google “China Darden ecatworld”

  • Sverre Haslund

    It seems Brillouin Energy has hired Van D. Hipp from American Defence Interational to help with government relations in Finland and Norway. http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/lobbyist.php?id=Y0000041182L&year=2014

    Latest tweets from Van Hipp indicates that they are now at NTNU in Trondheim – http://www.ntnu.edu/ , https://twitter.com/VanHipp/status/529704913363009536

  • Sverre Haslund

    It seems Brillouin Energy has hired Van D. Hipp from American Defence International to help with government relations in Finland and Norway. http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/lobbyist.php?id=Y0000041182L&year=2014

    Latest tweets from Van Hipp indicates that they are now at NTNU in Trondheim – http://www.ntnu.edu/ , https://twitter.com/VanHipp/status/529704913363009536

  • I think Hagelstein is more interested in discovering the theory behind CF.

  • pelgrim108

    Thanks to David from LENR-forum

    This comment is also placed here:
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/10/26/always-open-e-cat-world-thread/

    Elforsk has released a new edition of their magazine Perspektiv
    PDF from Elforsk
    http://www.elforsk.se/Global/Trycksaker%20och%20broschyrer/Elforsk_perspektiv_2_2014.pdf
    In it is an article about the E-Cat at page 12

    Article from E-Catworld here: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/05/elforsk-publishes-article-isotop-changes-indicate-cold-nuclear-reaction/

    The news outlet form LENR-forum is seeking help with the translation
    http://www.lenrnews.eu/elforsk-perspektiv-2-2014/
    They now have a translation
    http://www.lenrnews.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Elforsk-Perspektiv-English.pdf

    Here is the text of the article plus the translation by me.

    ————————————————
    Bilden visar den energikatalysator som användes vid försöken.
    Netto utvecklades 1 500 kilowattimmar energi som värme.
    Värmeenergin var tre till fyra gånger större än den tillförda elenergin.

    Uppfinnaren och entreprenören Andrea Rossi
    framför sin skapelse E-cat, här som parallellkopplade
    enheter med en sammanlag effekt på 1 megawatt.

    ISOTOPFÖRÄNDRINGAR INDIKERAR ”KALL” KÄRNREAKTION
    – ELFORSK FÖLJER UTVECKLINGEN
    Nya tester av uppfinnaren Andrea Rossis energikatalysator visar på tydliga
    isotopförändringar i katalysatorns drivmedel. Resultaten indikerar därmed
    att det kan handla om kärnreaktioner vid låga temperaturer.

    En månadslång testkörning av en energikatalysator visar åter på
    häpnadsväckande resultat som offentliggjorts i en ny rapport,
    skriven av forskare knutna till Uppsala universitet,
    KTH och Bolognas universitet.
    Tydliga isotopförändringar indikerar ett energiöverskott som kan bero
    på hittills okända kärnreaktioner eller andra okända orsaker.

    – Det ger vid handen att vi kan stå inför ett nytt sätt att utvinna kärnenergi.
    Troligen utan joniserande strålning och radioaktivt avfall.
    Upptäckten skulle på sikt kunna få mycket stor betydelse för
    världens energiförsörjning, kommenterar Elforsks vd Magnus Olofsson.

    Elforsk har under de senaste åren följt utvecklingen på området som allmänt
    benämns LENR efter engelskans Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.
    Bland annat har en kunskapssammanställning om LENR sammanställts.
    Elforsk har också medfinansierat aktuella och tidigare gjorda mätningar.

    UNIK CHANS FÖR SVERIGE
    Om det är möjligt att på ett tryggt sätt åstadkomma och kontrollera
    de nu indikerade kärnreaktionerna väntar sannolikt på sikt en
    genomgripande förändring av våra energisystem.
    Det kan öppna för decentraliserad energitillförsel.
    El och värme kan då produceras med förhållandevis enkla komponenter.
    Klimateffektiv energi skulle bli mycket billig.

    – I dagsläget vet vi inte om allt detta är för fantastiskt för att bli verklighet.
    Mätresultaten talar för att ett nytt sätt att utvinna kärnenergi kan ha upptäckts.
    En liten grupp svenska forskare är djupt engagerade i att försöka förstå
    den bakomliggande fysiken.
    Sverige har därmed en unik chans att vara med och leda forskningen
    och utvecklingen inom LENRområdet, säger Magnus Olofsson.

    – Men mer kunskap behövs för att förstå och förklara.
    Låt oss engagera fler forskare i att söka belägga fenomenet
    och därefter förklara hur det fungerar.

    FAKTA ENERGIKATALYSATORN
    Den centrala delen av reaktorn är smal och två decimeter lång.
    Vid försöken kördes reaktorn vid en temperatur upp
    till cirka 1 400 grader Celsius.
    Netto utvecklades 1 500 kilowattimmar energi som värme.
    Värmeenergin var tre till fyra gånger större än den tillförda elenergin.
    Detta med cirka ett gram drivmedel bestående av
    väteladdat nickel med tillsatser i pulverform.

    ———————————————————————-

    ——–I translated with Google translate and then altering a bit.
    ———-If you are from Sweden please point out the mistakes.

    The picture shows the energy- catalyser used in the experiments.
    Netto production of 1,500 kWh energy as heat.
    The thermal energy was three to four times the electrical energy input.

    The inventor and entrepreneur Andrea Rossi
    in front of his creation the E-cat, here as parallel connected
    units with a total effect of 1 megawatt.

    ISOTOPE CHANGES INDICATING “COLD” NUCLEAR REACTION
    – ELFORSK FOLLOWING DEVELOPMENTS
    New tests of inventor Andrea Rossi’s energy-catalyser show clear
    isotopic changes in catalyst fuel. The results thus indicate
    that it may involve nuclear reactions at low temperatures.

    A month-long test run of an energy-catalyser showed again
    startling results, published in a new report,
    written by researchers associated with the University of Uppsala,
    Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) and the University of Bologna.
    Distinct isotopic changes indicate an energy surplus that may be due
    to hitherto unknown nuclear reactions or other unknown causes.

    “It indicates that we may be facing a new way to extract nuclear energy.
    Probably without ionizing radiation and radioactive waste.
    The discovery could eventually become very important for
    world energy supply.”, said Elforsks CEO Magnus Olofsson.

    Elforsk has been following developments in this area commonly known
    as LENR ( Low Energy Nuclear Reactions).
    Among other things, a summary of current knowledge about LENR is compiled.
    Elforsk has also co-financed the current and previous measurements.

    UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR SWEDEN
    If it is possible to safely produce and control these, now indicated,
    nuclear reactions then, in the long run,
    there will probably be a fundamental change in our energy system.
    It lead the way for decentralized energy supply.
    Electricity and heat can then be produced with relatively simple components.
    Energy that doesn’t effect the climate would be very cheap.

    “Today we don’t know if all this is too amazing to be true. The results talks for (favours) that a new way to produce nuclear energy might have been discovered.
    A small group of Swedish researchers are deeply involved
    in trying to understand the underlying physics.
    Sweden thus has a unique chance to be involved in leading research
    and developments in the LENR field,” says Magnus Olofsson.
    “However, more knowledge is needed to understand and explain.
    Let us engage researchers in trying to validate and then
    explaining how it works.”

    ENERGY-CATALYSER FACTS
    The central part of the reactor is narrow and 2 decimeter ( 8 inches) long.
    In the experiments, the reactor was run at a temperature up
    to about 1400 degrees Celsius.
    Netto developed 1,500 kWh energy as heat.
    The thermal energy was three to four times the electrical energy input.
    This is with about a gram of fuel consisting of
    hydrogen loaded nickel with additives in powder form.
    —————————————————————————–

    • Buck

      Pelgrim108,

      thank you for your translation effort. As a suggestion, you might want to place this entry with all the links on the “Always Open” thread. It was only because of good luck that I came across this post.

      I believe it very important to recognize that Elforsk CEO M. Olofsson has again gone on the record. This Elforsk affirmation of LENR and the Hot-Cat is prepping the Scandanavian industry, government, and citizenry.

      Thank you again for sharing this is great news.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Maybe research announcements from Elforsk have opened some doors for Brillouin in Finland and Norway? Slow but sure, we are seeing LENR being accepted. I can see the headlines now, “US scientific community, apathetic, corrupt, asleep at the LENR switch”

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I had the same idea. Elforsk could arrange a test of Brillouin’s reactor, maybe under more favourable conditions.

      • This would be nice!
        With better independence as Rossis-friends-professors 😉

        • roseland67

          Barty,
          I would prefer Rossi’s most bitter enemies doing
          Any additional testing

  • Bedroom_eyes

    Statoil is cutting jobs all over the place these days. 2 more plattforms were decided to be shut down today. They claim it’s the low price on oil that’s causing the big layoffs, but this meeting comes at a very special time in Norway.
    We seem to be getting closer to a turning point in the economy where we need to rely less on oil and start looking to other horizons. Maybe this is a start?

    LENR is still hush hush in Norway though. 🙈🙉🙊

  • Ruby found out that photography of Brillouin in Statoil zone

    https://twitter.com/ColdFusionNow/status/531698401193508864

    Hey that's not Steven Chu! pic.twitter.com/NgFLspLiuw— Ruby Carat (@ColdFusionNow) 10 Novembre 2014