Swiss Newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung asks “Is Cold Fusion Back in Style?” [Update: Airbus Agreement with LENR-Cities]

Thanks to those who commented about an article published today in the Swiss daily German language newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung which today has published an article by Christian Speicher titled “Is Cold Fusion Back in Style?“.

The subheading is “energy of dubious origin”, and the article itself looks at recent news from the world of LENR in a somewhat cautious manner, but Speicher notes that with Bill Gates now showing interest and LENR being taken seriously in other reputable places in Sweden, India, Finland and Norway, it is suddenly becoming socially acceptable to openly discuss cold fusion.

Speicher writes:

The alleged excess heat can not be attributed to chemical reactions — it is much too large. It is therefore postulated that previously unknown nuclear reactions are triggered in the metals. The experiments judging by doing no gamma radiation seems to emerge. And also typical radioactive waste products such as tritium seem not (or at least not in significant amounts) to be produced. For many researchers, this is too much of a good thing. Before they are ready to throw the established nuclear physics overboard, they want to see robust evidence and a plausible explanation for the excess heat.

The article notes the recent Lugano report, and the unexpected isotopic shifts in the fuel after testing, but also notes the criticism of Stefan Pomp and other Swedish scientists who criticized the test because Andrea Rossi was involved when the fuel was inserted and removed from the reactor, and therefore could have done some trick to switch the powder from the reactor with a fake sample.

Despite the questioning nature of the article, I think it is significant to find this article in a widely read Swiss newspaper. Wikipedia states of the the Neue Zürcher Zeitung”

It has a reputation as a quality newspaper and as the Swiss newspaper of record, the newspaper is known for its detailed reports on international affairs, stock exchange, and the intellectual, in-depth style of its articles.

This would indicate that people of influence in Switzerland — a world financial center — might be learning about these recent LENR developments for the first time.

UPDATE: An additional section has been posted below this article about LENR-Cities, a Swiss group, working to help business and governments for a transition to LENR.

“A powerful partner has already found LENR-Cities. Recently, the Airbus group had signed a letter of intent to participate in the project reveals [LENR-Cities co-founder Michel] Vandenberghe. Of these, hope you are as a signal to other actors in Europe.”

Having Airbus, one of the top aviation companies in the world, interested in LENR and willing to participate in the LENR-Cities project is certainly significant.

  • guga

    Is this in the print version or just online? As a German language quality newspaper NZZ also has readers in Germany and Austria, so this would be especially significant if it was in the print version.

  • guga

    Is this in the print version or just online? As a German language quality newspaper NZZ also has readers in Germany and Austria, so this would be especially significant if it was in the print version.

  • Gerrit

    The article was updated with interesting info regarding LENR research in Switzerland.

    “LENR-cities has found a potential partner. Recently the Airbus-group has signed a memorandum of understanding to cooperate on the project, reveals Vandenberghe. They hope this will create a signal for other players in Europe.”

    Airbus, no less !

    • Sanjeev

      Any links ?

      • Gerrit

        added to my comment.

        @Admin: please add the link in the main body too.

        • Sanjeev

          Great !
          Another big corp joins the lenr bandwagon.

          • this time they do it to organize the bandwagon.

  • Gerrit

    The article was updated with interesting info regarding LENR research in Switzerland.

    “LENR-cities has found a powerful partner. Recently the Airbus-group has signed a memorandum of understanding to cooperate on the project, reveals Vandenberghe. They hope this will create a signal for other players in Europe.”

    Airbus, no less !

    http://www.nzz.ch/wissenschaft/physik/wird-die-kalte-fusion-wieder-salonfaehig-1.18436786

    • Sanjeev

      Any links ?

      • Gerrit

        added to my comment.

        • Sanjeev

          Great !
          Another big corp joins the lenr bandwagon.

          • this time they do it to organize the bandwagon.

  • Chris the 2nd

    Airbus are also a defence company btw

  • ecatworld

    The Airbus letter of intent has been confirmed to me by Michel Vandenberghe of LENR-Cities

    • Airbus should contact Industrial Heat. Rossi indicated at one point that they were doing some R&D on jet engines.

      Interesting development.

      • mcloki

        Electric Jet engine is the holy grail. IF they can get one and not have to load up with heavy fuel, the boost to the world economy will be incredible.

        • One of many ways LENR will spur economic growth and a dramatic rise in the quality of life all around the world.

        • Warthog

          I agree. But I think that a more likely (and valuable) application would be in “lighter than air” craft, with the excess heat left over from electricity generation providing part or all of the lift. Think of them as the “container ships of the air”.

          • US_Citizen71

            Or as cruise ships that sail over mountains, everything old is new again! : )

          • Ophelia Rump

            We already have the ability to make lighter than air solids by packing vacuum in virtually weightless double-walled bubble spheres.

            The UFO “Phoenix Lights” was probably a lighter than air, air craft carrier, or mobile base. But add a LENR power source and you have the ability to give it speed, duration, and unparalleled independence.

          • georgehants

            Classified footage of the infamous lights depicts military craft over the Phoenix basin engaging unknown aircraft.
            https://twitter.com/David_P_Collins

          • Ophelia Rump

            They have many aircraft out there. Many events. That did not look anything like the behavior of the Phoenix Lights incident. Disinformation is rampant and a “Lighter Than Aircraft Carrier” would be buried dark and deep.

            Trust me on this the technology exists. If you put one in the air at 20,000 feet and used it to launch spacecraft, you would already have eliminated most of the lift requirements for space launches. You just bring up the parts conventionally and assemble at that elevation. There would be a lot less needed to lift there in the first place. You could do the lifting with barges of the same materials.

          • georgehants

            Ophelia, interesting information, thank you.
            But as always the only way to approach all subjects is with a very open-mind, any bias in either direction can lead one astray.
            UFO’s, Cold Fusion, Fairy’s, Global Warming etc. all just the same.
            A completely open-mind is the first requisite of any scientist do you not think?
            Then only Evidence and Research and more Research are important, never ever “opinion” to substitute for Facts.

          • Ophelia Rump
          • Ophelia Rump

            If you open your heart to the possibilities, your mind will follow without effort.

          • Fortyniner

            Some people didn’t read enough science fiction in their youth.

            Forest of science – brilliant analogy. I’ll remember that.

          • US_Citizen71

            Nothing weighs less than a vacuum, I have always thought that someday plastics, graphene or something else light and strong might be useful to use a vacuum for lighter than air flight. 14 PSI doesn’t sound like much until you spread it over 100’s of square feet/meters. I didn’t think that we had reached the point where the strength to weight ratio had been reached to allow lift off.

            Have you seen a demo of someone doing this? I would love to read about it if you have.

          • US_Citizen71

            Never mind I found the patent.

            http://www.google.com/patents/US20060038062

          • the devil is out of the box.
            If rossi’s fail it will be interpreted as an industrial failure…
            someone else will take the lead…
            there is a dozen LENr startup with a handful having already a working devices to improve…
            even those having nothing else competent people and funding can take over current leaders…

          • J Storrs Hall

            This is not quite as simple as it might seem:

            http://www.nanomedicine.com/NMI/9.5.3.3.htm

          • Ophelia Rump

            With LENR the space Elevator could built today with existing materials.
            How? By making it only 250 miles long instead of 2500.
            2500 is long enough to begin to counter gravity with rotation. But the specifications for the line become conceptually insane.

            250 is the elevation of the space station, We have carbon nanotube yarns now which could do the job. You would need EmDrive thrusters powered by LENR to counter the drop from lift.

          • J Storrs Hall

            A 250 mi space launch structure would have to be a tower standing against gravity instead of a cable held up by orbital forces. It could be built today from commercially available polycrystalline diamond:

            http://autogeny.org/tower/tower.html

          • Alan DeAngelis

            The reactor for the atomic bomber was 2.5 MW. 2.5 of Rossi’s 500 liter reactors (the volume of several pieces of luggage).
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion

          • Anon2012_2014

            2.5 MW is only 3300 horsepower. The B-36 had 6 of these engines. So you need 10 Rossi containers (assuming they work), i.e. the power to weight ratio is no good for aviation.

            You also need to convert that power to propulsion — assuming another 70% loss, so you then need 33 Rossi shipping containers. And what about the weight of converting the heat back to propulsion.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            This might give us a better idea of how it worked.

            The Atomic Bomber (would not need all the shielding).
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsCw0s0BJKY

          • US_Citizen71

            Nice. I think the direct approach might work well with the high temp Ecats. Likely a elongated turbine would work. A compressor stage at the intake followed by a ring of reactors with heat fins that provide the cool side for TEGs surrounding the cores all surrounding a shaft going back to a drive stage. You could tap the rotational power to turn a generator or maybe even add magnets to turbine assembly for more juice. With a high enough COP or more likely an additional bank of cores produce electricity it would likely be light enough to fly and power itself. The heat would provide the thrust without much problem.

          • psi2u2

            You are counting with the old “warm cat” in the shipping crate, right? Somehow I don’t think that we are Kansas any more.

          • ecatworld

            Rossi said today about the plant they are working on:

            “Tommaso Di Pietro:
            It is a normal E-Cat, not a Hot Cat. Outside is similar to the 1 MW plant of 2011, inside is completely different.
            Warm Regards,
            A.R.”

          • Fortyniner

            I find this continued focus on the original style of e-cat strange. I can only assume that IH is still following Rossi’s ‘softly, softly’ approach to introduction, using the relatively unspectacular basic e-cat as a sort of stalking horse that will not scare the wildlife too much.

            As far as we know, the e-cat may be capable of reducing the cost of industrial ‘process heat’ in many areas of manufacture, and could also serve in space heating applications in large buildings – all useful stuff, but hardly earth shattering (except of course to the scientific establishment).

            It is the hot cat that seems to have the potential to substitute for fossil fuels in high output and massively fuel-greedy systems such as power generation and perhaps in marine propulsion, yet we are hearing almost nothing about development of this technology other than some vague mention of gas-heated reactors.

            Either we have our eyes on the wrong ball, and a significant effort is going into hot cat development almost entirely out of sight, or IH’s ‘game plan’ is so limited, incremental and plodding that hot cat reactors will only receive adequate development resources some time after process heaters have been ‘launched’ and are generating income.

            If the latter is the case, then IMHO IH are not suitable custodians, and the sooner this technology is out of their hands and in the public domain by whatever means, the better.

          • ecatworld

            I think the low temperature e-cat is easier to control than the hot cat, making it more suitable for the first commercial plant. I am sure they are learning a lot in this first installation that they can apply to future models.

          • GreenWin

            Rossi did just recently comment the 1MW plant is completely different inside. Likely not a collection of suitcase reactors – possibly the immersion reactor form factor you have suggested. I wonder are they using steam or a Stirling to convert heat to electric?

          • psi2u2

            Yes, I concur.

          • Axil Axil

            In my opinion, the nickel powder sets up the environment for the reaction but does not produce much power. The “secret sauce” is where the real power comes from. That is the alkali metal additive (e.g. potassium or lithium) that produces nanoparticles at high temperatures,

          • psi2u2

            ok — thanks. But that is still not the proper benchmark for the future deployment of the technology.

        • builditnow

          The hot cat is plenty hot enough to be a direct replacement for burning fuel in jet engines of all types. The experimental bases has already been established through the military experimental nuclear powered aircraft developed in the 60’s and 70’s. The nuclear powered plane used fission for heat and modified jet engines using heat exchangers instead of burning jet fuel. The experimental plane was reported to have flown.

          The NASA seedlings talk in Jan / Feb 2014 has a detailed report on the potential of Cold Fusion for aircraft and other things, referencing the nuclear powered plane data.

          The report shows that heat exchanger jet engine performance is practically the same as the current jet-fuel powered jet engines. No need to go electric or hybrid. Direct heat is all you need. By using airflow to maintain the heat of the Hot Cat, once up to temperature, the COP could go very high as only the power of the electronic controls and perhaps electromagnetic stimulation would be required.

      • Gerard McEk

        A very important development. Congratulations and compliments to the Neue Zürcher Zeitung that they dared to publish this article! I hope many main stream papers and media will follow soon.

      • Rossi expression for jet engine seem to be more “Brayton turbine”, gas turbine.

        note that Airbus have hybrid (e-thrust) and electric (e-fan) designs.

        Note also that since SUGAR NASA/Boeing report we know Boeing is in the game.

        • Hey Alain, was Airbus the big European entity that you hinted about? Or are there more big fish swimming around.


          • I only know that fish, fishes we all know, and smaller fishes.

            I’m getting more info on my side.

            if you add recent newcommers:
            -Elforsk
            -Statoil/Norway
            -Bill Gates
            -Airbus Group
            -Cherokee fund
            plus old players (ok they don’t count “they are all corrupted by the LENR money and are insignificant actors and are not serious” ;> )
            Toyota,
            Mitsubishi,
            STM,
            Enea,
            US navy,
            Nasa
            SRI,

            You get…

            a big silence of the media. with a tiny buzz.

          • psi2u2

            Indeed, the silence is becoming deafening. I contacted NPR on this (through a very high level personal contact) a couple of years ago, and I am hoping they have been following from the shadows. It seems impossible for this continue much longer without some heavier hitters from the US-Mass media running stories.

          • GreenWin

            The US media is ordered silence. Only when the order is lifted will we begin to see US-based stories. Before the SPAWAR gag order, NBC, MSNBC and Forbes carried the Rossi story. When the FOX News reporter called SPAWAR to confirm their employee present at the 2011 E-Cat demo – a national security order was issued which silenced all US media.

          • psi2u2

            Greenwin, that is fascinating, and it does fit with my (rather imprecise) memory of the recent history. How do we know that such a gag order was issued? Is that in Mats book? If not, and he wanted to add, it, how would we document it? Can the Fox reporter verify it?

          • Mats002

            Most silent is Fleischman home country UK. Are there any kind of LENR activities there?

          • LENR-Cities Oxford conference ?

            http://lenr-cities.com/oxf/

            see also Kresenn Ltd, by Angelo Ovidi.

            Airbus is established in UK too.

          • Fortyniner

            No LENR news reaches the public media. Instead, the BBC continues to bang on about ‘global warming’ and yesterday even repeatedly claimed that 2014 is on track to becoming the warmest year on record and that UK temperatures have been increasing year on year since the late 18th century!

          • Mats002

            Yes that is something, LENR-Cities is a Swiss group but Kresenn is in UK.

        • Omega Z

          Thanks to Alan DeAngelis post above about the atomic bomber & a 3nd post linked to a video, I now see why IH/Rossi were studying the Idea. 800’C works.
          Note that Electrical generation would still be an issue to power the E-cats.

  • Frank Acland

    The Airbus letter of intent has been confirmed to me by Michel Vandenberghe of LENR-Cities

    • Airbus should contact Industrial Heat. Rossi indicated at one point that they were doing some R&D on jet engines.

      Interesting development.

      • mcloki

        Electric Jet engine is the holy grail. IF they can get one and not have to load up with heavy fuel, the boost to the world economy will be incredible.

        • One of many ways LENR will spur economic growth and a dramatic rise in the quality of life all around the world.

        • Warthog

          I agree. But I think that a more likely (and valuable) application would be in “lighter than air” craft, with the excess heat left over from electricity generation providing part or all of the lift. Think of them as the “container ships of the air”.

          • US_Citizen71

            Or as cruise ships that sail over mountains, everything old is new again! : )

          • Ophelia Rump

            We already have the ability to make lighter than air solids by packing vacuum in virtually weightless double-walled bubble spheres.

            The UFO “Phoenix Lights” was probably a lighter than air, air craft carrier, or mobile base. But add a LENR power source and you have the ability to give it speed, duration, and unparalleled independence.

          • georgehants

            Classified footage of the infamous lights depicts military craft over the Phoenix basin engaging unknown aircraft.
            https://twitter.com/David_P_Collins

          • Ophelia Rump

            They have many aircraft out there. Many events. That did not look anything like the behavior of the Phoenix Lights incident. Disinformation is rampant and a “Lighter Than Aircraft Carrier” would be buried dark and deep.

            Trust me on this the technology exists. If you put one in the air at 20,000 feet and used it to launch spacecraft, you would already have eliminated most of the lift requirements for space launches. You just bring up the parts conventionally and assemble at that elevation. There would be a lot less needed to lift there in the first place. You could do the lifting with barges of the same materials.

          • georgehants

            Ophelia, interesting information, thank you.
            But as always the only way to approach all subjects is with a very open-mind, any bias in either direction can lead one astray.
            UFO’s, Cold Fusion, Fairy’s, Global Warming etc. all just the same.
            A completely open-mind is the first requisite of any scientist do you not think?
            Then only Evidence and Research and more Research are important, never ever “opinion” to substitute for Facts.

          • Ophelia Rump
          • Ophelia Rump

            If you open your heart to the possibilities, your mind will follow without effort.

            So often science focuses on probabilities. This is a statistical approach. But Statistics is missing a fundamental insight. Statistics fails to consider in the least the existence of possibility. Possibility is a very powerful element.

            Probability can tell me the if it is a better choice to do one thing or the other.
            For instance. I can judge if it is prudent to have chemo therapy, or live out the last hours of my life as enjoyably as I can.

            Possibility tells me that if I sit here feeling sorry for myself, no good can happen. I must go out and activate the hidden potential of the world, otherwise I already died years ago.

            How much of the forest of science are standing dead trees, I suppose depends upon the winds of change. It is time to embrace the winds of change and dance with them, or fall to the forest floor. There is much deadwood. Such widespread inability to open the heart to the possible, room only for the “probable”.

          • Some people didn’t read enough science fiction in their youth.

            Forest of Science – brilliant analogy that continues to work when extended in all sorts of ways. I’ll remember that.

          • US_Citizen71

            Nothing weighs less than a vacuum, I have always thought that someday plastics, graphene or something else light and strong might be useful to use a vacuum for lighter than air flight. 14 PSI doesn’t sound like much until you spread it over 100’s of square feet/meters. I didn’t think that we had reached the point where the strength to weight ratio had been reached to allow lift off.

            Have you seen a demo of someone doing this? I would love to read about it if you have.

          • US_Citizen71

            Never mind I found the patent.

            http://www.google.com/patents/US20060038062

          • J Storrs Hall

            This is not quite as simple as it might seem:

            http://www.nanomedicine.com/NMI/9.5.3.3.htm

          • Ophelia Rump

            With LENR the space Elevator could built today with existing materials.
            How? By making it only 250 miles long instead of 2500.
            2500 is long enough to begin to counter gravity with rotation. But the specifications for the line become conceptually insane.

            250 is the elevation of the space station, We have carbon nanotube yarns now which could do the job. You would need EmDrive thrusters powered by LENR to counter the drop from lift.

          • J Storrs Hall

            A 250 mi space launch structure would have to be a tower standing against gravity instead of a cable held up by orbital forces. It could be built today from commercially available polycrystalline diamond:

            http://autogeny.org/tower/tower.html

        • builditnow

          The hot cat is plenty hot enough to be a direct replacement for burning fuel in jet engines of all types. The experimental bases has already been established through the military experimental nuclear powered aircraft developed in the 60’s and 70’s. The nuclear powered plane used fission for heat and modified jet engines using heat exchangers instead of burning jet fuel. The experimental plane was reported to have flown.

          The NASA seedlings talk in Jan / Feb 2014 has a detailed report on the potential of Cold Fusion for aircraft and other things, referencing the nuclear powered plane data.

          The report shows that heat exchanger jet engine performance is practically the same as the current jet-fuel powered jet engines. No need to go electric or hybrid. Direct heat is all you need. By using airflow to maintain the heat of the Hot Cat, once up to temperature, the COP could go very high as only the power of the electronic controls and perhaps electromagnetic stimulation would be required.

      • Rossi expression for jet engine seem to be more “Brayton turbine”, gas turbine.

        note that Airbus have hybrid (e-thrust) and electric (e-fan) designs.

        Note also that since SUGAR NASA/Boeing report we know Boeing is in the game.

        • Hey Alain, was Airbus the big European entity that you hinted about? Or are there more big fish swimming around.


          • I only know that fish, fishes we all know, and smaller fishes.

            I’m getting more info on my side.

            if you add recent newcommers:
            -Elforsk
            -Statoil/Norway
            -Bill Gates
            -Airbus Group
            -Cherokee fund
            plus old players (ok they don’t count “they are all corrupted by the LENR money and are insignificant actors and are not serious” ;> )
            Toyota,
            Mitsubishi,
            STM,
            Enea,
            US navy,
            Nasa
            SRI,

            You get…

            a big silence of the media. with a tiny buzz.

          • psi2u2

            Indeed, the silence is becoming deafening. I contacted NPR on this (through a very high level personal contact) a couple of years ago, and I am hoping they have been following from the shadows. It seems impossible for this continue much longer without some heavier hitters from the US-Mass media running stories.

          • GreenWin

            The US media is ordered silence. Only when the order is lifted will we begin to see US-based stories. Before the SPAWAR gag order, NBC, MSNBC and Forbes carried the Rossi story. When the FOX News reporter called SPAWAR to confirm their employee present at the 2011 E-Cat demo – a national security order was issued which silenced all US media.

          • SG

            Source?

          • bachcole

            Prove it.

            I am surprised that you GreenWin would subscribe to such paranoid delusions. This silence can easily be explained by fear and disbelieve and unawareness and too much information. There is just too much information on too many things. Notice that it took me 19 months to believe Rossi, even with close scrutiny 4 hours per day, and I was not direct to disbelieve him by some all powerful overlord. There is just so much time that people can devote to the weird and strange.

          • psi2u2

            Greenwin, that is fascinating, and it does fit with my (rather imprecise) memory of the recent history. How do we know that such a gag order was issued? Is that in Mats book? If not, and he wanted to add, it, how would we document it? Can the Fox reporter verify it?

          • bachcole

            This is a VERY common paranoid delusion, that TPTB (The Powers That Be) controls everything and retards all progress for purposes of greed and power. TPTB is a monolithic cabal or individual who never is seen, but explains everything. It could not be the human nature of everyone, their fears and cautions and ordinary ignorance and lack of exposure to LENR that is keeping it from becoming accepted immediately. Even though it took me 19 months to accept LENR and presumably other people took long periods of time to accept LENR, those who believe in TPTB expect the whole world to accept it in a fortnight.

            We have the same paranoid delusions in the health field. When I tell these paranoids that doctors vaccinate their own children and eat the same processed foods as everyone else, the paranoids have no answer. {That does not mean that vaccination and processed foods are hunky dory. It means that the doctors believe the crapola that they spew from their mouths and are thus not trying to kill anyone.}

          • Mats002

            Most silent is Fleischman home country UK. Are there any kind of LENR activities there?

          • LENR-Cities Oxford conference ?

            http://lenr-cities.com/oxf/

            see also Kresenn Ltd, by Angelo Ovidi.

            Airbus is established in UK too.

          • No LENR news ever reaches the public media in the UK. Instead, the BBC continues to bang on about ‘global warming’ and yesterday even repeatedly claimed that 2014 is on track to being the warmest year on record and that UK temperatures have been increasing year on year since the late 18th century. Of course, no mention whatsoever is made of explanations for temperature trends other than AGW.

            Selective disinformation courtesy of Roger Harrabin and David Shukman, the BBC’s Environment Analyst and Science Editor, respectively – both staunch mouthpieces of the IPCC.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30311816

            Some slightly less alarmist examinations of the data:

            http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/03/08/3-of-4-global-metrics-show-nearly-flat-temperature-anomaly-in-the-last-decade/

            http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/03/04/updated-global-temperature-no-global-warming-for-17-years-6-months-no-warming-for-210-months/

          • Mats002

            Yes that is something, LENR-Cities is a Swiss group but Kresenn is in UK.

        • Omega Z

          Thanks to Alan DeAngelis post above about the atomic bomber & a 3nd post linked to a video, I now see why IH/Rossi were studying the Idea. 800’C works.
          Note that Electrical generation would still be an issue to power the E-cats.

  • mcloki

    Low Energy Nanoscale Reaction

    I like they call it a Nanoscale REaction. Gets around any negative connotations that Nuclear brings to the table.

    I wonder if it’s worth trying to change to this LENR acronym, from a psychological point of view.

    • It’s probably more accurate too. I think the weight of the evidence is that electrons/plasma/EM play a significant part of whatever is going on. So it’s not just the nuclei involved.

      • mcloki

        I’m thinking of the inevitable backlash from vested interests that will occur. When you find out that the Russian are secretly bankrolling anti fracking groups in Europe, so Europe doesn’t start fracking and become self sufficient. One wonders what levels of smear campaigns will be levelled against LENR.
        On the science front. It’s pretty rapid that all these new theories as to why LENR is happening, I guess a lot of scientists see fame, fortune and a talk show appearance or 2 talking about his/her theory of how LENR works. I’d be working on it too.

        • Opponents that seek to slow LENR’s adoption will no doubt attempt to use the nuclear angle as part of their FUD campaign when the time comes. They will not have the facts on their side and pioneer companies will have strong financial incentives to overcome any barriers. A persistent effort should be able to break through in every nation, no matter the politics.

        • Alain Samoun

          “Russian are secretly bankrolling”
          Yes of course,especially that the Russians seem more advanced in cold fusion,backlash against CF can come also from US oil companies, especially the ones in N.Dakota,but that is a secret…

          http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/08/russian-nuclear-physicist-vitaly-uzikov-on-the-e-cat-the-train-has-left/

          • bachcole

            I am very happy that the people in North Dakota are doing so well. But, ya’ know what? Its just business. They are standing in the way of the LENR Juggernaut.

    • Gerard McEk

      Especially in Germany, Ostria and Switzerland, the media have been brainwashing the inhabitants to warn them for the dangerously radiating nuclear power stations and their toxic radiating waste. Even the word ‘nuclear’ is toxic and radiates unbelievable. To make LENR acceptable in the German speaking countries you need to find another word for nuclear, because it will take one generation before this psychological blockage can be passed.

    • pangoo

      It would be far more marketable as a nanoscale reaction. A nanomaterials link would be great PR for investment and wider acceptance. Think graphene and other wonder materials that are being pushed.

  • Gerard McEk

    A very important development. Congratulations and compliments to the Neue Zürcher Zeitung that they dared to publish this article! I hope many main stream papers and media will follow soon.

  • georgehants

    How long now, before one of the science comics prints something on the “new” science of Cold Fusion?
    They will have experts lining up to tell us how they have always believed in the work of P&F.
    Mr. Rossi et al will never be mentioned, just the brilliant work that establishment scientists have been doing in secret.
    How establishment science has again come to the rescue with a substitute for hydrocarbons and a fix for “consensus” Global Warming.
    We need to all get ready to bow down to these Wonderful people and offer sacrifices, preferably human, to thank them for their deep insights and forward looking efforts.

    • GreenWin

      George, it is my thought the PTB will not get away with the spotlight this time. Too many of US to tell the truth. It IS wonderfully amusing to watch PTB caught, like deer in headlights. “Cold fusion?? Poppycock!” Each day they delay acknowledging the inevitable – they drop down a peg. Back to mere mortality. Oh deer!

      • the current situation is funny as it shows that academic, media, politicians, are uncounscious victim of a terror groupthink, while industrialists are victims but trying to survive under the terror …

        since the 90s they know LENr is real, but that they cannot say it. they wait for their moment to escape the mental prison.

    • Ophelia Rump

      The drip in the dam appears to have formed cracks, and is spreading.

  • georgehants

    How long now, before one of the science comics prints something on the “new” science of Cold Fusion?
    They will have experts lining up to tell us how they have always believed in the work of P&F.
    Mr. Rossi et al will never be mentioned, just the brilliant work that establishment scientists have been doing in secret.
    How establishment science has again come to the rescue with a substitute for hydrocarbons and a fix for “consensus” Global Warming.
    We need to all get ready to bow down to these Wonderful people and offer sacrifices, preferably human, to thank them for their deep insights and forward looking efforts.

    • GreenWin

      George, it is my thought the PTB will not get away with the spotlight this time. Too many of US to tell the truth. It IS wonderfully amusing to watch PTB caught, like deer in headlights. “Cold fusion?? Poppycock!” Each day they delay acknowledging the inevitable – they drop down a peg. Back to mere mortality. Oh deer!

      • the current situation is funny as it shows that academic, media, politicians, are uncounscious victim of a terror groupthink, while industrialists are victims but trying to survive under the terror …

        since the 90s they know LENr is real, but that they cannot say it. they wait for their moment to escape the mental prison.

    • Ophelia Rump

      The drip in the dam appears to have formed cracks, and is spreading.

  • bachcole

    As long as they mention “cold fusion” or LENR, I don’t care what they say. “As long as they spell my name correctly.”

    • GreenWin

      Backole. 🙂

  • Gerrit

    over the last few weeks we have seen LENR coverage in several mainstream news outlets.

    Spektrum, Spiegel, Indian Economic Times, Huffington Post, Dome Magazine and now Neue Zürcher Zeitung. And I probably missed a few too.

    Some of them were blogs, but they were written by “mainstream” observers. Not all of them were well researched, but neither completely wrong.

    If we compare that amount of coverage to the situation just a few years ago I think we can see it as a clear indication that journalists are starting to feel more confident to write about this topic.

    We can all look forward to more well researched articles. We’ll need many more before society will stop thinking of cold fusion the way they have done for the last 25 years.

  • Gerrit

    over the last few weeks we have seen LENR coverage in several mainstream news outlets.

    Spektrum, Spiegel, Indian Economic Times, Huffington Post, Dome Magazine and now Neue Zürcher Zeitung. And I probably missed a few too.

    Some of them were blogs, but they were written by “mainstream” observers. Not all of them were well researched, but neither completely wrong.

    If we compare that amount of coverage to the situation just a few years ago I think we can see it as a clear indication that journalists are starting to feel more confident to write about this topic.

    We can all look forward to more well researched articles. We’ll need many more before society will stop thinking of cold fusion the way they have done for the last 25 years.

    • AlbertNN

      The risk is now also very high – if Rossi does not deliver, then it will be very hard for the field of LENR to recover from this. Maybe even harder than last time.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Not sure that is true, there are already applications like Mitsubishi transmutation IP.

      • the devil is out of the box.
        If rossi’s fail it will be interpreted as an industrial failure…
        someone else will take the lead…
        there is a dozen LENr startup with a handful having already a working devices to improve…
        even those having nothing else competent people and funding can take over current leaders…

      • GreenWin

        IF Rossi does absolutely nothing more, he will have still catalyzed LENR science and industry – where there was essentially NONE before.

  • I’ve discussed with Michel vandenberghe on that article and he added some precisions

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/35-LENR-Cities-have-an-agreement-with-Airbus-Group-Conference-in-Oxford-University-/

    there will be someone of Airbus in their even in Oxford.
    Airbus bring support to LENr-Cities so that his own ecosystem of subcontractant know Airbus will be Interested in LENR applications, and LENR-Cities help to develop an ecosystem that will provide technology to Airbus…

    It solves the chicken and egg problem of disruptive innovation…How to make research when nobody fund you. how to fund researchers when no industry need it. how to develop industry when no market exists… Airbus just says : I have the market, bring me the technology. Industrialist says, I have a market now, I need the technology, so I need the researchers. And investors says, I have the market, the industrialists, the researchers, I invest my money.
    LENR-Cities orchestrate that game, providing research programs, investment tools, industrial tool which match offers and need, finding partners which need members needs, with big and small actors needing each others,to cover their risk… Their market risk, their technology risk, their research risk… nobody can play alone… it is win-win by design.

    • GreenWin

      Thanks for the explanation Alain. Very helpful. Now with aviation giants Airbus & Boeing onboard, when will Lockheed confess their “hot fusion reactor” is a distraction from their use of the US Navy/JWK cold fusion patent issued to SPAWAR?

      • Anon2012_2014

        Not a distraction, but a competing technology.

        We just need LENR to get its share of the funding if it is just as promising!

        • GreenWin

          Thermonuclear (hot fusion) reactions are radiative and capable (as in the H-bomb) of mass destruction. LENR is NON-radiative and incapable of mass destruction. There is no competition.

          • Anon2012_2014

            Hot fusion reactors cannot be made into hydrogen bombs — they are too volumetrically large and cannot create containment of enough fusion fuel to the reacting level for long enough to be even close to useful as a bomb/weapon of mass destruction. But they do emit large amounts of neutrons that make everything within its shielding radioactive waste.

            LENR we think is non-radiative, at least it looks that way now. We also think it is incapable of mass destruction, but no one really knows who is publishing on the web. Rossi’s hypothesis about the reaction turning off when it melts making it unable to blow up is just a conjecture. Something blew up on P&F’s lab for example. It may have been the hydrogen in the experiment reacting with lab oxygen, or it could have been the loaded Pd cube. Who knows as that experiment was not repeated in the public record.

          • hot fusion in my opinion may be interesting for irradiating nuclear wastes… like fast neutrons reactors, sub-critical thorium reactors…

            not sure it is the best technology however, but who knows, something unexpected may arise from those useless research… that is serendipity.

            the good point for Lockheed is that it is new and affordable research.
            serendipity is more efficient with cheaper research and new problems. who cares of the result, it will not work as expected… better r worse, probably very differently. the way is the only important result

  • I’ve discussed with Michel vandenberghe on that article and he added some precisions

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/35-LENR-Cities-have-an-agreement-with-Airbus-Group-Conference-in-Oxford-University-/

    there will be someone of Airbus in their even in Oxford.
    Airbus bring support to LENr-Cities so that his own ecosystem of subcontractant know Airbus will be Interested in LENR applications, and LENR-Cities help to develop an ecosystem that will provide technology to Airbus…

    It solves the chicken and egg problem of disruptive innovation…How to make research when nobody fund you. how to fund researchers when no industry need it. how to develop industry when no market exists… Airbus just says : I have the market, bring me the technology. Industrialist says, I have a market now, I need the technology, so I need the researchers. And investors says, I have the market, the industrialists, the researchers, I invest my money.
    LENR-Cities orchestrate that game, providing research programs, investment tools, industrial tool which match offers and need, finding partners which need members needs, with big and small actors needing each others,to cover their risk… Their market risk, their technology risk, their research risk… nobody can play alone… it is win-win by design.

    • GreenWin

      Thanks for the explanation Alain. Very helpful. Now with aviation giants Airbus & Boeing onboard, when will Lockheed confess their “hot fusion reactor” is a distraction from their use of the US Navy/JWK cold fusion patent issued to SPAWAR?

      • Anon2012_2014

        Not a distraction, but a competing technology.

        We just need LENR to get its share of the funding if it is just as promising!

        • GreenWin

          Thermonuclear (hot fusion) reactions are radiative and capable (as in the H-bomb) of mass destruction. LENR is NON-radiative and incapable of mass destruction. There is no competition.

          • Anon2012_2014

            Hot fusion reactors cannot be made into hydrogen bombs — they are too volumetrically large and cannot create containment of enough fusion fuel to the reacting level for long enough to be even close to useful as a bomb/weapon of mass destruction. But they do emit large amounts of neutrons that make everything within its shielding radioactive waste.

            LENR we think is non-radiative, at least it looks that way now. We also think it is incapable of mass destruction, but no one really knows who is publishing on the web. Rossi’s hypothesis about the reaction turning off when it melts making it unable to blow up is just a conjecture. Something blew up on P&F’s lab for example. It may have been the hydrogen in the experiment reacting with lab oxygen, or it could have been the loaded Pd cube. Who knows as that experiment was not repeated in the public record.

          • hot fusion in my opinion may be interesting for irradiating nuclear wastes… like fast neutrons reactors, sub-critical thorium reactors…

            not sure it is the best technology however, but who knows, something unexpected may arise from those useless research… that is serendipity.

            the good point for Lockheed is that it is new and affordable research.
            serendipity is more efficient with cheaper research and new problems. who cares of the result, it will not work as expected… better r worse, probably very differently. the way is the only important result

  • Bob Greenyer

    Not sure that is true, there are already applications like Mitsubishi transmutation IP.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    The reactor for the atomic bomber was 2.5 MW. 2.5 of Rossi’s 500 liter reactors (the volume of several pieces of luggage).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion

    • Anon2012_2014

      2.5 MW is only 3300 horsepower. The B-36 had 6 of these engines. So you need 10 Rossi containers (assuming they work), i.e. the power to weight ratio is no good for aviation.

      You also need to convert that power to propulsion — assuming another 70% loss, so you then need 33 Rossi shipping containers. And what about the weight of converting the heat back to propulsion.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        This might give us a better idea of how it worked.

        The Atomic Bomber (would not need all the shielding).
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsCw0s0BJKY

        • US_Citizen71

          Nice. I think the direct approach might work well with the high temp Ecats. Likely a elongated turbine would work. A compressor stage at the intake followed by a ring of reactors with heat fins that provide the cool side for TEGs surrounding the cores all surrounding a shaft going back to a drive stage. You could tap the rotational power to turn a generator or maybe even add magnets to turbine assembly for more juice. With a high enough COP or more likely an additional bank of cores produce electricity it would likely be light enough to fly and power itself. The heat would provide the thrust without much problem.

      • psi2u2

        You are counting with the old “warm cat” in the shipping crate, right? Somehow I don’t think that we are Kansas any more.

        • Frank Acland

          Rossi said today about the plant they are working on:

          “Tommaso Di Pietro:
          It is a normal E-Cat, not a Hot Cat. Outside is similar to the 1 MW plant of 2011, inside is completely different.
          Warm Regards,
          A.R.”

          • kasom

            every time when it comes to the different cat versions of low and hot temp, I ask myself: Do we have two Rossi Effects? One that ignites at 70°C and aonther one that ignites above 500°C ????
            R.E.1 fuel / R.E.2 fuel ????

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Maybe one process uses potassium (low-temp) and the other one lithium (high-temp).

          • fortyniner

            It does seem likely that one difference is in the fuel composition, although EMF driver arrangements may be another. Potassium is a strong possibility in the LT e-cat, given the sources Rossi probably drew on when developing it.

          • Axil Axil

            In my opinion, the nickel powder sets up the environment for the reaction but does not produce much power. The “secret sauce” is where the real power comes from. That is the alkali metal additive (e.g. potassium or lithium) that produces nanoparticles at high temperatures,

            Rossi has said as much when he talks about his “secret sauce” .

          • I find this continued focus on the original style of e-cat strange, in view of the recently demonstrated utility of the hot cat design. I can only assume that IH is still following Rossi’s ‘softly, softly’ approach to introduction, using the relatively unspectacular basic e-cat as a sort of stalking horse that will not scare the wildlife too much.

            As far as we know, the e-cat may be capable of reducing the cost of industrial ‘process heat’ in many areas of manufacture, and might also serve in space heating applications in large buildings – all useful stuff, but hardly earth shattering (except of course to the scientific establishment).

            It is the hot cat that seems to have the potential to substitute for fossil fuels and nuclear fission in high output and massively fuel-greedy systems such as electrical power generation and perhaps marine propulsion, yet we are hearing almost nothing about development of this technology other than some vague mention of work on gas-heated reactors.

            Either we have our eyes on the wrong ball, and a significant effort is going into hot cat development almost entirely out of sight, or IH’s ‘game plan’ is so limited, incremental and plodding that hot cat reactors will only receive adequate development resources some time after LT e-cat reactors have been commercially ‘launched’ and are generating income – a point that could still be some years away.

            If the latter is the case then IMHO, in view of the increasingly dire need to replace coal, gas and nuclear power generation as rapidly as possible, and to establish mass desalination facilities in many parts of the world, IH are proving to be unsuitable custodians of Rossi’s inventions, and the sooner this technology is in the public domain – by whatever means – the better.

          • Frank Acland

            I think the low temperature e-cat is easier to control than the hot cat, making it more suitable for the first commercial plant. I am sure they are learning a lot in this first installation that they can apply to future models.

          • GreenWin

            Rossi did just recently comment the 1MW plant is completely different inside. Likely not a collection of suitcase reactors – possibly the immersion reactor form factor you have suggested. I wonder are they using steam or a Stirling to convert heat to electric?

          • Guest

            Yes, I concur.

          • psi2u2

            ok — thanks. But that is still not the proper benchmark for the future deployment of the technology, imho.

  • Squatter

    You have all gone from beeing moderatly enthusiastic to complete believers without the final proof LENR works?

    • Alan DeAngelis

      LENR was proven in 1989 (for example, more observant researchers like Mizuno saw isotopic shifts in palladium only in his cathodes that became hot). There’s plenty of proof of LENR being real. It’s just that the upstaged prima donnas who have painted themselves into a corner prefer not to look at it.

      • Squatter

        so where is a working LENR powersource?

        • psi2u2

          non sequitur.

        • bachcole

          Rossi is working on it. You can demand proof in Science or Nature, and you can demand that LENR development is ahead of what it is now, and if your demands are not met, you can pout and shout that LENR is not real. You are welcome to that position. But I prefer to watch it grow and await further developments.

        • Sanjeev

          Are you new here ?

          Search around.

    • timycelyn

      Final proof? That’s a bit of a loose term, isn’t it?

      100.000000% certainty perhaps?

      Well, I’m not sure when this area will be there, it’s a very extreme requirement, and many other things in our day to day life would fail to meet that level of proof – as would probably much of current physics. I think we are still waiting for the ‘Final Proof’ of the General Theory of Relativity.

      However, looking at this area in the whole, across everything both IH and all the others we know about are doing, I am feeling pretty confident. I am not obsessing about some single aspect of the Lugano test or whatever, which to be honest I find a bit of a red herring and troll’s paradise.

      Let’s apply a test widely used in law – Beyond Reasonable Doubt, leading to a yes or no, based on what is currently in the public domain.

      1. Can we absolutely believe down to the last comma the sometimes colourful descriptions and updates that Andrea Rossi gives us. No.
      2. Are there one or more significant operations within the LENR space that are successfully harnessing this phenomenon and will become widely known (beyond the circle of followers), in some usable and unarguable form, within, say, the next 2 years. Yes
      3. Will one of these emergences be from IH? That’s a tough one. I do have my concerns about their communication strategy, their strange blend of reticence and Rossi. My jury would have to have a long recess to reach a majority verdict – Yes.

      • Squatter

        So you agree with me.
        let’s wait until there are more than one site sucessfully harnessing the phenomena, and then joy. Right now there are none, even if the “phenomenon has been known since -89.
        I would bet that if IH had a working 1MW plant that actually did produce anything, we would srely know it by now. That one is not working now. soon I hope, but until then I will still be a bit careful. Just that in this forum lately everyone are leaning more and more towars accepting LENR as a matter of FACT. I will wait until there is no doubt.

        • timycelyn

          I agree with you?

          Really?

          If you think that at least one of us is a very poor communicator.

        • psi2u2

          I’m not sure what you mean by “let’s wait.” What kind of “waiting” do you have in mind?

          I see in this forum an increasing enthusiasm as more evidence rolls in that LENR is real and Rossi has the goods. And yet you refer to “complete believers,” as if that phrase means anything. I don’t know of anyone here who is a “complete believer” in either LENR or Rossi. Many of us to think the evidence increasingly points to the reality of these things, but we are also open minded enough to acknowledge that we could be misreading the signs.

          I don’t know what you think we should “wait” for. It is up to each individual’s assessment of the evidence. It is not as if readers here are unaware, for example, of some of the finer points of the technical disputes about the meaning of the Lugano report. There have been excellent discussions on site of what appear at least to me highly qualified individuals debating all sides of this matter.

          • Squatter

            As I see it, even though the ITP report shows some interresting facts, there are still some doubts.
            1) the location in Lugano is owned by relative to Mr Rossi (i read somewhere cba to find reference) which if flag number one.
            2) the results could be explained by an incorrect setup.
            3) Mr Rossi himself did the extraction of the ashes.

            so even if the Lugano report is promising I will not be convinced by that.

            I would rather hold on to my hope until IH 1MW plant is revield publicly.

            I am like you, I check this page several times a day. I was very happy when the report from Lugano was published. But unfortunately it was not as clear and unquestionable as it should have been.

            I for one will keep my hopes, but I still want to see other better proof.

            My original comment was made because I feel that the majority of posters on this webpage has gone from healthy realists that hope for the best, holding their thumbs for some unquestionable report from ITP – and landed in a state where we are not actually any longer looking at what’s happening with clear eyes. accepting the picture of LENR as fact.

            I was just asking what actually made us take that step. Not much has actually changed until IH revielt or MFMP replicates the process.

            So I will just sit back and wait another year before I tell my frinds.

          • psi2u2

            “the location in Lugano is owned by relative to Mr Rossi”

            Give us a break. Honestly, dude, when I read things like this, it makes me very uninterested in the rest of what you may have to say. You damage your credibility by floating such “arguments.”

            “I was just asking what actually made us take that step.”

            Please stop treating other posters to the site like they are parts of the BORG. There is no “us” here – there are free minded persons, each with a different and hopefully complementary view of the reality. We are like the blind men in the room with the elephant. We each have a piece of puzzle.

          • bachcole

            Yeah, but some blind dudes are better looking than other blind dudes. (:->)

          • bachcole

            All of your points assume that everyone else is stupid and you are the only smart guy.

        • bachcole

          I have been there. You are welcome to be there. I have no doubt.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      SRI replicates six different types of cells.
      http://coldfusionnow.org/sri-replicates-six-different-types-of-cells/

      • Squatter

        Are they producing power today?

    • psi2u2

      Who are you talking to?

    • bachcole

      For me, the 2013 Levi et. al. test report was the final proof, after 19 months of my being skeptical.

      • psi2u2

        It was indeed a landmark, despite the many cavils. Whether any of those cavils turns out to have legs, remains to be seen – but judging by such evidence as the recent Airbus announcement, the involvement of Bill Gates, etc., it does seem like “the game’s afoot.”

  • Alan DeAngelis

    LENR was proven in 1989 (for example, more observant researchers like Mizuno saw isotopic shifts in palladium only in his cathodes that became hot). There’s plenty of proof of LENR being real. It’s just that the upstaged prima donnas who have painted themselves into a corner prefer not to look at it.

    • Squatter

      so where is a working LENR powersource?

  • timycelyn

    Final proof? That’s a bit of a loose term, isn’t it?

    100.000000% certainty perhaps?

    Well, I’m not sure when this area will be there, it’s a very extreme requirement, and many other things in our day to day life would fail to meet that level of proof – as would probably much of current physics. I think we are still waiting for the ‘Final Proof’ of the General Theory of Relativity.

    However, looking at this area in the whole, across everything both IH and all the others we know about are doing, I am feeling pretty confident. I am not obsessing about some single aspect of the Lugano test or whatever, which to be honest I find a bit of a red herring and troll’s paradise.

    Let’s apply a test widely used in law – Beyond Reasonable Doubt, leading to a yes or no, based on what is currently in the public domain.

    1. Can we absolutely believe down to the last comma the sometimes colourful descriptions and updates that Andrea Rossi gives us. No.
    2. Are there one or more significant operations within the LENR space that are successfully harnessing this phenomenon and will become widely known (beyond the circle of followers), in some usable and unarguable form, within, say, the next 2 years. Yes
    3. Will one of these emergences be from IH? That’s a tough one. I do have my concerns about their communication strategy, their strange blend of reticence and Rossi. My jury would have to have a long recess to reach a majority verdict – Yes.

    • Squatter

      So you agree with me.
      let’s wait until there are more than one site sucessfully harnessing the phenomena, and then joy. Right now there are none, even if the “phenomenon has been known since -89.
      I would bet that if IH had a working 1MW plant that actually did produce anything, we would srely know it by now. That one is not working now. soon I hope, but until then I will still be a bit careful. Just that in this forum lately everyone are leaning more and more towars accepting LENR as a matter of FACT. I will wait until there is no doubt.

      • timycelyn

        I agree with you?

        Really?

        If you think that at least one of us is a very poor communicator.

      • psi2u2

        I’m not sure what you mean by “let’s wait.” What kind of “waiting” do you have in mind?

        I see in this forum an increasing enthusiasm as more evidence rolls in that LENR is real and Rossi has the goods. And yet you refer to “complete believers,” as if that phrase means anything. I don’t know of anyone here who is a “complete believer” in either LENR or Rossi. Many of us to think the evidence increasingly points to the reality of these things, but we are also open minded enough to acknowledge that we could be misreading the signs.

        I don’t know what you think we should “wait” for. It is up to each individual’s assessment of the evidence. It is not as if readers here are unaware, for example, of some of the finer points of the technical disputes about the meaning of the Lugano report. There have been excellent discussions on site of what appear at least to me highly qualified individuals debating all sides of this matter.

      • bitplayer

        “let’s”?
        Are you experiencing some kind of delusion of collective view?

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Maybe one process uses potassium (low-temp) and the other one lithium (high-temp).

    • fortyniner

      It does seem likely that one difference is in the fuel composition, although EMF driver arrangements may be another. Potassium is a strong possibility in the LT e-cat, given the sources Rossi probably drew on when developing it.

  • psi2u2

    Who are you talking to?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    It may seem like nothing has happened due to the MSM’s blackout but actually a lot has happened. Tadahiko Mizuno has a working reactor.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB_MRUX4mo0

  • psi2u2

    It was indeed a landmark, despite the many cavils. Whether any of those cavils turns out to have legs, remains to be seen – but judging by such evidence as the recent Airbus announcement, the involvement of Bill Gates, etc., it does seem like “the game’s afoot.”

  • psi2u2

    “the location in Lugano is owned by relative to Mr Rossi”

    Give us a break. Honestly, dude, when I read things like this, it makes me very uninterested in the rest of what you may have to say. You damage your credibility by floating such “arguments.”

    I was just asking what actually made us take that step.”

    Please stop treating other posters to the site like they are parts of the BORG.

    “So I will just sit back and wait another year before I tell my frinds.”

    You do that. And just what will you “tell them.” It is your lack of precision about such key terms of your statements that makes your position incredible.