Italian Prime Minister’s Office gives ICCF-19 Cold Fusion Conference ‘High Patronage’

Thanks to AlainCo for the following link on the Always On Thread:

http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/43-The-Office-of-the-Prime-Minister-of-the-Republic-of-Italy-has-awarded-its-High-P/

Alain reports that he received this statement in a newsletter for the ICCF-19 (International conference on cold fusion) to be held in Padua, Italy on April 13-17, 2015:

“We are proud to announce the Office of the Prime Minister of the Republic of Italy has today (12.12.2014) awarded its High Patronage to the ICCF-19 event”

If you go to the website for ICCF-19 you will see these two seals listed in the Patronage section, which certainly indicate support from Italian government agencies.

iccf-19

The first seal (Prezidenza del Consiglio dei Ministri) can be translated as “President of the Council of Ministers”, and the second one (Ministero dello Sviluppo Economico) as “Ministry of Economic Development”. It’s another indication that LENR/Cold Fusion is being seen as more respectable in Italy, at least.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good

  • Andreas Moraitis

    It is a common practice in several countries to gain the high patronage of a governmental institution for international conferences – perhaps in order to make the event more attractive for foreign participants. Thus, we should not overinterpret this announcement.

    • what this mean is that cold fusion is no more UFO-like conspiracy belief.
      and THAT is a HUGE news.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Fortunately, there appears to be a corresponding trend. But I doubt that the ministry officials understand what the subject of this conference exactly is.

        • Dods

          From an observer outside of Italy I get the feeling that the Italian media reporting is more open than other countries efforts. I can only conclude from this that there government must be more informed as well.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            ..or there is such utter chaos that nothing is controllable any longer… so some manage to speak out and blow the proverbial whistle.

        • Politicians sure don’t understand calorimetry, or even science, and they usually follow advisors.
          however they all understand that it is risky science for their reputation.
          SURE if they put their name beside ICCF they have SOLID information that their career won’t be ruined, and that they will benefit from that support.

          what this mean is that among their advisors some are really convinced LENr is an opportunity, and that none of the Sylvie Coyaud around have convinced them it was risky for their reputation.

          this mean that LENR have WON the WAR against academic TERROR.

          • Sanjeev

            You are right actually. Its the bureaucrats that assist politicians in such matters (or may be there is a committee) and it is important because there people are usually very smart. What this means is that they are very much convinced that supporting ICCF in Italy is going to benefit them in some way. Their motivation is almost always either money or power. Perhaps Bill Gates has something to do with all this.

        • Omega Z

          ICCF- International Climate Change Foundation.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Even before Rossi, CF research in Italy has not necessarily been treated as junk science. These are the patrons of ICCF-15, Rome, 2009:

        Società Chimica Italiana
        Società Italiana di Fisica
        Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche (CNR)

        http://iccf15.frascati.enea.it/sponsors/sponsors.html

      • georgehants

        AlainCo, how strange, I had the silly idea that science was meant to work with Evidence and Research and not ridiculous beliefs or opinions.

        • bachcole

          Very few people can get to and understand the evidence and research. In the case of the honorable Prime Minister of the Republic of Italy, he is probably too busy running a country to realize that this LENR matter is not just another bit of TMI. It is likely even that he doesn’t even know about LENR now but rather someone in his office knows a little about it and suggested to someone else higher up in the office that it would be a good idea to give the conference patronage and the higher up said OK and then went to a delicious lunch of pasta alfredo.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Sorry for the damper – I did not want to disturb your enthusiasm. With regard to the patronage, the most likely scenario is that somebody from the organization committee knew somebody who works in the ministry, talked to him about the conference – dropping the name of Bill Gates in passing –, and the story got underway. The main advantage I see is that the ministry now cannot easily back out when future decisions on LENR are on the agenda.

          • jousterusa

            You forgot the part where someone gave someone else $10,000.

      • bachcole

        I agree. Although Andreas has put a slight damper on my enthusiasm, it does mean that LENR is NOT taboo in Italy.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    It is a common practice in several countries to gain the high patronage of a governmental institution for international conferences – perhaps in order to make the event more attractive for foreign participants. Thus, we should not overinterpret this announcement.

    • what this mean is that cold fusion is no more UFO-like conspiracy belief.
      and THAT is a HUGE news.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Fortunately, there appears to be a corresponding trend. But I doubt that the ministry officials understand what the subject of this conference exactly is.

        • Dods

          From an observer outside of Italy I get the feeling that the Italian media reporting is more open than other countries efforts. I can only conclude from this that there government must be more informed as well.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            ..or there is such utter chaos that nothing is controllable any longer… so some manage to speak out and blow the proverbial whistle.

        • Politicians sure don’t understand calorimetry, or even science, and they usually follow advisors.
          however they all understand that it is risky science for their reputation.
          SURE if they put their name beside ICCF they have SOLID information that their career won’t be ruined, and that they will benefit from that support.

          what this mean is that among their advisors some are really convinced LENr is an opportunity, and that none of the Sylvie Coyaud around have convinced them it was risky for their reputation.

          this mean that LENR have WON the WAR against academic TERROR.

          • Sanjeev

            You are right actually. Its the bureaucrats that assist politicians in such matters (or may be there is a committee) and it is important because there people are usually very smart. What this means is that they are very much convinced that supporting ICCF in Italy is going to benefit them in some way. Their motivation is almost always either money or power. Perhaps Bill Gates has something to do with all this.

        • Omega Z

          ICCF- International Climate Change Foundation.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Even before Rossi, CF research in Italy has not necessarily been treated as junk science. These are the patrons of ICCF-15, Rome, 2009:

        Società Chimica Italiana
        Società Italiana di Fisica
        Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche (CNR)

        http://iccf15.frascati.enea.it/sponsors/sponsors.html

      • georgehants

        AlainCo, how strange, I had the silly idea that science was meant to work with Evidence and Research and not ridiculous beliefs or opinions.
        Your point certainly shows most scientists to be the incompetents that their handling of Cold Fusion and UFO Research etc. confirms.

        • bachcole

          Very few people can get to and understand the evidence and research. In the case of the honorable Prime Minister of the Republic of Italy, he is probably too busy running a country to realize that this LENR matter is not just another bit of TMI. It is likely even that he doesn’t even know about LENR now but rather someone in his office knows a little about it and suggested to someone else higher up in the office that it would be a good idea to give the conference patronage and the higher up said OK and then went to a delicious lunch of pasta alfredo.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Sorry for the damper – I did not want to disturb your enthusiasm. With regard to the patronage, the most likely scenario is that somebody from the organization committee knew somebody who works in the ministry, talked to him about the conference – dropping the name of Bill Gates in passing –, and the story got underway. The main advantage I see is that the ministry now cannot easily back out when future decisions on LENR are on the agenda.

          • jousterusa

            You forgot the part where someone gave someone else $10,000.

      • bachcole

        I agree. Although Andreas has put a slight damper on my enthusiasm, it does mean that LENR is NOT taboo in Italy.

      • Wayne M.

        What conspiracy? We have always known this was alien technology.

  • georgehants

    While we wait for science in the US and UK to show it’s ugly head, an Italian politician makes a positive move.
    The super rich Mr. Gates stays silent on his introduction to Cold Fusion.
    Makes me feel so proud to be British.

  • ICCF19 is now open for registration since this morning:
    http://iccf19.com/registration_information.html

    • Bob Greenyer

      And great to hear that sponsorship has allowed the registration cost to be half!

      Still no discount for Not-For-Profit

      • psi2u2

        They need to change this. Someone from MFMP should be there!

        • Ged

          They should be honored symposium guests, flown out to speak with all expenses paid, like other conferences such as Society for Neuroscience do.

  • Gian Luca

    This is called a “Bill Gates” effect.

  • bachcole

    Nice, perhaps even huge.

  • bachcole

    Nice, perhaps even huge.

  • Gerrit

    Imagine the headlines when Bill Gates shows up at the conference.

  • Gerrit

    Imagine the headlines when Bill Gates shows up at the conference.

    • bachcole

      You forget to include the word “if”, as in “Imagine the headlines if and when Bill Gates shows up at the conference.” I doubt that he will. It will be highly technical, and his interest in that sort of thing would be like how I respond when people here start doing their nuclear reaction formulas. ZZZZZZZZZ (:->)

      • hempenearth

        Don’t discourage them bachcole, I enjoy those formula if they don’t go too much beyond high school level chemistry.

        • bachcole

          That cheap shot at them hit me right in the you-know-whats. (:->) I can handle high school chemistry.

          Seriously, I feel like they are doing too much speculation on too little hard evidence. When we have hard rock solid evidence of the transformations, then perhaps I will get interested.

  • Bob Greenyer

    The Italians have been pioneers in central heating, ventilation, water transport and thermal conditioning spanning millennia, they not only like a good hot bath, they like elegant design – it will not be lost on them that LENR is the epitome of elegant design.

    There were military and government representatives at both the 14/12/12 meeting I had in Rome and this years meeting in Assisi. The establishment in Italy knows.

    • Dave Lawton

      Italian plumbing company based near Bristol with a hydrogen boiler.
      http://www.giacomini.co.uk/hydrogen-boiler.asp

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        Thanks for this!!! Another example of why Italians flee Italy – they would not have been able to make it in a country that is run by the mafia(-s).

  • Bob Greenyer

    The Italians have been pioneers in central heating, ventilation, water transport and thermal conditioning spanning millennia, they not only like a good hot bath, they like elegant design – it will not be lost on them that LENR is the epitome of elegant design.

    There were military and government representatives at both the 14/12/12 meeting I had in Rome and this years meeting in Assisi. The establishment in Italy knows.

    • bachcole

      Yeah, but the lead pipes weren’t all that elegant. (:->)

    • Dave Lawton

      Italian plumbing company based near Bristol with a hydrogen boiler.
      http://www.giacomini.co.uk/hydrogen-boiler.asp

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        Thanks for this!

  • LucaS

    From an italian who live in Italy: do not even consider italian politics…. From it nothing good can’t come in any sector!

    • Sanjeev

      Unfortunately greed (for power or resources) is the main driver of material progress and prosperity in this age and politicians and corporations are the embodiments of greed. They have the necessary means to accelerate the progress of LENR. All you need to do is to convince them that LENR will bring more money and power to them and the days of oil and fission are numbered. They will switch sides quickly.

      • I don’t feel it is unfortunate.
        I am more sad about the bigges drive today, which is FEAR. FERA, Malthusians ideas, panic, is driving the west. hopefully poor people in emerging countries have ambition, greed, dreams…

        fear and greed are what make the things grow worse or go better respectively… the rest is just hidden transcendented fear or greed.

        • Sanjeev

          Good point. Military is an embodiment of fear…. they thrive on fear and they create fear to control the masses. You can directly correlate the size of the military to the amount of fear the people of that country have. So this completes the trio of gov, military and corporations, feeding on power, money and fear.

          Military also drives innovation and progress (fortunately or unfortunately). In some ways they are more corrupt than all the politicians and corporations combined, so things hardly move there unless billions are poured into some project(e.g F35 bomber). They innovate but obviously for only one purpose – to kill effectively and in great numbers. Perhaps they will find LENR “disappointing”.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            The Secret of the Three bullets, Professor Emilio Del Giudice. A real Italian pioneer.

    • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

      Italian politicians, the very few non-impeached and competent, are scrambling in all directions.
      Italian people are just accepting the rot. Personal conclusion: it is a mentality issue.

    • Fortyniner

      Please don’t use that avatar image – it make me feel like punching my monitor.

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        It would be nice to know the reason for the choice – there is always a reason.

  • LucaS

    From an italian who live in Italy: do not even consider italian politics…. From it nothing good can’t come in any sector!

    • Gian Luca

      I agree….specially in this period.
      Only M5S speak about LENR…..

      • bachcole

        What is “M5S”?

        • pg

          Movimento 5 Stelle (5 star movement) an italian political movement

          • their ideas are very populist, very conspirationist…
            they have a conspiracy for AIDS…
            anyway one can understand why people support those parties, when you see how is the politic and business in Italy…

          • Gian Luca

            everyone has their own ideas …. what you said could be the dress of many political parties, not just Italians.
            In any case, his definition of M5S seems very superficial.

          • bachcole

            And what is their agenda and their position on the political spectrum?

          • Gian Luca

            I want to see more……The only honest political italian party

    • Sanjeev

      Unfortunately greed (for power or resources) is the main driver of material progress and prosperity in this age and politicians and corporations are the embodiments of greed. They have the necessary means to accelerate the progress of LENR. All you need to do is to convince them that LENR will bring more money and power to them and the days of oil and fission are numbered. They will switch sides quickly.

      • I don’t feel it is unfortunate.
        I am more sad about the bigges drive today, which is FEAR. FERA, Malthusians ideas, panic, is driving the west. hopefully poor people in emerging countries have ambition, greed, dreams…

        fear and greed are what make the things grow worse or go better respectively… the rest is just hidden transcendented fear or greed.

        • Sanjeev

          Good point. Military is an embodiment of fear…. they thrive on fear and they create fear to control the masses. You can directly correlate the size of the military to the amount of fear the people of that country have. So this completes the trio of gov, military and corporations, feeding on power, money and fear.

          Military also drives innovation and progress (fortunately or unfortunately). In some ways they are more corrupt than all the politicians and corporations combined, so things hardly move there unless billions are poured into some project(e.g F35 bomber). They innovate but obviously for only one purpose – to kill effectively and in great numbers. Perhaps they will find LENR “disappointing”.

          • I did not thought about military guys… they are not the most frightening on TV.

            my bet was more on really untouchable heroes in the media.
            of untouchable consensus in the mainstream news.
            they are pushed by rich “religions” that predict apocalypse if you don’t follow their orders… abandon your wealth and your freedom to our vision or you will be fried in Hell.

            Military guys seems quite amateur in that business compared to real doomers. Military or Hot Fusionist are people of the past… real hoax of fear is better designed by modern organizations.

            the real opponent of cold fusion is not hot fusion, it is pessimism…
            “it is too good to be true”… “if we have so much energy we will be doomed to waste it”…
            did you imagine that ITER is so powerful ? it is just pocket money for big science… the trillions are already wasted in Germany, not in Cadarache.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            The Secret of the Three bullets, by Professor Emilio Del Giudice. A true Italian pioneer.
            http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/DelGiudice.pdf

          • Gian Luca

            I’ve read this book….very interesting.
            Emilio Del Giudice and Giuliano Preparata they were the interpreters of LENR scene of the 90’s with the courage to talk about “cold fusion” when it was called “witchcraft”.

    • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

      Italian politicians, the very few non-impeached and competent, are scrambling in all directions. Too many Italian people are just accepting the rot of corruption. In many other Countries people would have long taken to the streets, corrupt politicians would be kicked out in no time. Italy has had transparency issues for decades. Could it be a mentality issue?

    • Please don’t use that avatar image, LukaS – it make me feel like punching my monitor. How about a nice picture of her friend Berlusconi instead?

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        It would be nice to know the reason for the choice – there is always a reason.

  • bkrharold

    If anyone would like to add their signature to a petition to the Government to investigate LENR and the e-cat as a potential source of energy, here is the url:-

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-recent-developments-field-lattice-assisted-nuclear-reactions-lenr-and-e-cat/hXbDfHd8

    We have 19 signatures so far, and we need another 99,981 before Jan 6

    Thanks

    • TomR

      When I signed up they were at 22 and that was a few hours ago, now they are at 27 and I am not on the list yet. Mine should show up as C. R.

  • jousterusa

    Slowly but surely, we are getting there. Other governments will soon back or imitate Italy, I think.
    Ours will not be among them, because we have nothing to lose.

    • Fortyniner

      Neither will the UK government, until they get the green light from yours. Naturally there is still not a whisper in the media of even the possibility that ‘one day’ a clean new power source will become available. That might upset too many agendas revolving around ‘new nuclear’ and ‘green’ insanities.

      • georgehants

        Morning Peter, do you remember when the whole World listened to the BBC for honest news, now I watch RT (Russian Television News) as the only way to find the Truth of what is happening in the UK and the West.

        • Fortyniner

          Morning George. Same here. There is still bias, but not the outright propaganda that the BBC now regularly spews out. Even my wife – who has no particular interest in politics – now automatically rejects almost anything that is said on the BBC about government policies, world events, energy, or anything else they seem so intent on ‘spinning’.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            The hope is that journalism soon will no longer need to be a caste with a certification and a guild.

          • georgehants

            Peter, sad times, corrupt government, corrupt media, corrupt science etc.
            The capitalists are going (possibly) to let the whole system collapse and millions suffer, rather than face up to the Fact that a “new” social system must be brought into action now, slowly and gently to solve the problems that capitalism has created.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            I subscribe. The only hope is retribution via LENR.

          • georgehants

            Fredda, it is I think that same capitalistic corruption that is behind the delay with Cold Fusion now.
            Dream of a free, open World where only the benefits of mankind are important and every available scientist is working to bring Cold Fusion to (hopefully) it’s Wonderful potential lifesaving reality.

          • Fortyniner

            I suppose that corruption has always been in the background, especially in politics – it just seems so much more widespread now, as if honesty is a rare exception, and everyone has an axe to grind, or something to hide.

            We tend to see corruption for what it is far more quickly and easily now though, because we are now able to call on many sources of information that almost immediately expose the lies of politicians and their mouthpieces, medical professionals, police, biased academics, media hacks and the rest.

  • jousterusa

    Slowly but surely, we are getting there. Other governments will soon back or imitate Italy, I think.
    Ours will not be among them, because we have nothing to lose.

    • bachcole

      People just don’t understand paradigm shifting. I guess they get their sense of security out of thinking that their high priests have everything nailed down, until of course the gigantic ships with the gigantic white sails and the white men land on their shores.

    • Neither will the UK government, until they get the green light from yours. Naturally there is still not a whisper in the media of even the possibility that ‘one day’ a clean new power source will become available. That might upset too many agendas revolving around ‘new nuclear’ and ‘green’ insanities.

      • georgehants

        Morning Peter, do you remember when the whole World listened to the BBC for honest news, now I watch RT (Russian Television News) as the only way to find the Truth of what is happening in the UK and the West.

        • Morning George. Same here. There is still bias, but not the outright propaganda that the BBC now regularly spews out. Even my wife – who has no particular interest in politics – now automatically rejects almost anything that is said on the BBC about government policies, world events, climate change, energy, or anything else they seem so intent on ‘spinning’.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            The hope is that journalism soon will no longer need to be a caste with a certification and a guild.

          • georgehants

            Peter, sad times, corrupt government, corrupt media, corrupt science etc.
            The capitalists are going (possibly) to let the whole system collapse and millions suffer, rather than face up to the Fact that a “new” social system must be brought into action now, slowly and gently to solve the problems that capitalism has created.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            I subscribe. The only hope is retribution via LENR.

          • georgehants

            Fredda, it is I think that same capitalistic corruption that is behind the delay with Cold Fusion now.
            Dream of a free, open World where only the benefits of mankind are important and every available scientist is working to bring Cold Fusion to (hopefully) it’s Wonderful potential lifesaving reality.

          • bachcole

            Can you prove that it is “capitalistic corruption” that is behind the delay of Cold Fusion now, or rather simply people’s inability to see beyond the paradigm wall of mainstream physics? Or is my asking this just my being illogical again?

            As far as we know, only two “capitalists” know about LENR: Tom Darden and Bill Gates. Darden is fully behind it and we don’t know what Gates is up to. Any other “capitalist” that knows about LENR is purely speculation.

          • I suppose that corruption has always been in the background, especially in politics – it just seems so much more widespread now, as if honesty is a rare exception, and everyone has an axe to grind, or something to hide.

            We tend to see corruption for what it is far more quickly and easily now though, because we are able to call on many sources of information that almost immediately expose the lies of politicians and their mouthpieces, corrupted medical and other professionals, police, biased academics, media hacks and the rest.

  • bitplayer

    I suspect Bill Gates is quite intellectually capable of keeping up with the science, and if he attended, that he would ensure that he was properly prepared to follow the material.

  • Jonnyb

    Interesting development from Thunder Fussion: http://www.thunder-fusion.com/news.html I believe that T.F. are the main competitor for Rossi.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Ruggero Santilli is an excellent scientist, and together with his son Ermanno he is already in business with MagneGas (http://magnegas.com/). However, while his innovative gas is already protected, the patent for a fusion reactor (http://www.google.ba/patents/US20120033775) has not yet been granted.

  • Jonnyb

    Interesting development from Thunder Fussion: http://www.thunder-fusion.com/news.html I believe that T.F. are the main competitor for Rossi.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Ruggero Santilli is an excellent scientist, and together with his son Ermanno he is already in business with MagneGas (http://magnegas.com/). However, while his innovative gas is already protected, the patent for a fusion reactor (http://www.google.ba/patents/US20120033775) has not yet been granted.

  • Pietro F.
    • Gerrit

      great interview !

  • Pietro F.
    • Gerrit

      great interview !

  • Chris I

    Wow that’s right in my stomping grounds! Pity it’s so expensive and one can’t just nip in and talk to folks, though perhaps lunch breaks might be organized somewhere accessible to the curious. Gotta enquire.

  • Chris, Italy

    Wow that’s right in my stomping grounds! Pity it’s so expensive and one can’t just nip in and talk to folks, though perhaps lunch breaks might be organized somewhere accessible to the curious. Gotta enquire.

  • Humanity needs a new energy, it is based on a model of the planet Earth. I applied for a conference