Hot Cat – Do It Yourself Suggestions (Mike Ivanov)

Based on several discussions on this and other sites I see the DIY approach as one of chances for LENR to break the wall.

Lets make an assumption what Ni-H combination works and Rossi’s e-cat and hot cat are real can do COP> 1.Β  We still have large problem with commercialization. Business implementation requires a lot of money, plus a lot formalities related to safety, licensing. And it is hardened by poor acceptance from general public.

Lets think now about self-assembly kits, like Sinclair computers in the 1980s or 3d printers in the 2010s. I see hot cat as best candidate for this because of simplicity and relatively low cost. It also looks safer to implement, since there is no high pressure hydrogen tank used.

Of course I do not see these kits used to heat houses immediately. During the first wave it is going to target hard-core fans of new technologies who wants to run some experiments in their garages and can spend few hundred bucks for the new toy.Β  Somebody suggested to sale ready-to use cores but I think even low-level components would be very useful. Ability to vary different parameters ofΒ  fuel, pressure, temperature, etc will give huge leverage to the development of technology.Β  May be somebody will find a right combination for permanent self-sustained reaction.

How I see the list of components for the kit (draft πŸ™‚ )

1. Fuel

1.1 few grams of Ni powder.Β Β  One type for standard kit, few types for premium

1.2 Lithium in different combinations, started with Li Al H

2. Core

2.1. Ceramic pipes,Β  two or three sets.

2.2. Heating elements.

2.3. fixtures to install core – m.b. for premium kit only.

2. Sensors

2.1. thermocouples

2.2. low temperature sensors, for water or other coolant – premium kit

2.3. gamma and beta radiation sensors – premium kit

2.4. magnetic sensors – premium kit

3. Control system

3.1. Arduino based controller with power circuits to manageΒ  electric heaters, collect and record temperature data, etc. (or alternative)

3.2. water flow management components – premium kit

4. Software

4.1. Basic tools to control the power, temperature etc.

4.2. Extended edition for deeper research – premium kit.

5. Manual

Very important piece :), describing what to do with all these powders, pipes, wires and sensors:). And safety measurements first, for sure. Technically I think the device is relatively safe, since nobody actually shown any radiation or any kind of chain reaction. I hardly believe what the reactor can make big damage in worst case scenarios.

6. Supporting web site

This is also very important, especially if to use it as hub for building of community for enthusiasts , to share tricks and achievements. Control software also could be integrated with cloud, for uploading test data and may be some kind of crowd analysis.

To summarize, I see the many benefits of such approach:

1. Safe business idea for any investors. Market is not huge, but I think there are few thousands individuals or small companies around the globe who would buy the kit.

2. No regulations or licensing involved. All components are quite common, do not contain any really hazardous chemicals or high voltage equipment, etc. And so far I do not see any real issue with intellectual property.

3. Low cost. Even for small batch, 100 kits or less, the cost could be quite low, as we can see on Ali-Baba site πŸ™‚

4. Ready to use marketing and sales channels, like this and other LENR sites.

5. Hidden market, from people who are watching the development but do not ready for active participation..

I hope my ideas could help somebody.

Cheers and happy new year!

Mike

ivanov001 @ gmail.com

  • artefact

    MFMP created a good document for their dog bone with links to shops for materials and devices they need:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HxckP0fcRNwcjtNuXzF_C2dUXk2uOM81e87AA4ui0bU/edit?pli=1#gid=0
    Many of the expensive parts are not necessarily needed.
    Also a down size of the reactor could help to save money.
    Safety with LI and NI is still an issue though.

    • Anon2012_2014

      LAH burns on contact with water:

      Lithium aluminum hydride is a highly water reactive chemical. It reacts violently with water or moisture
      to give hydrogen gas with possible ignition. May ignite spontaneously on
      grinding or rubbing, or from static sparks.

      • Mike Ivanov

        Yep, this is probably a main problem, in order of delivery of this component.

  • artefact

    MFMP created a good document for their dog bone with links to shops for materials and devices they need:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HxckP0fcRNwcjtNuXzF_C2dUXk2uOM81e87AA4ui0bU/edit?pli=1#gid=0
    Many of the expensive parts are not necessarily needed.
    Also a down size of the reactor could help to save money.
    Safety with LI and NI is still an issue though.

    • Anon2012_2014

      LAH burns on contact with water:

      Lithium aluminum hydride is a highly water reactive chemical. It reacts violently with water or moisture
      to give hydrogen gas with possible ignition. May ignite spontaneously on
      grinding or rubbing, or from static sparks.

      • Mike Ivanov

        Yep, this is probably a main problem, in order of delivery of this component.

  • guest2

    Take one accident – someone gets injured or a burnt down house and the whole thing will be banned or highly regulated by the government. Not to mention, if some evil terrorists want to modify the device for their hijack. Imagine a slowly burn but incredibly energy density per unit mass Nuclear device undergoing super meltdown in closed contener. CIA, FBI will be on the supplier’s tail.

    • bachcole

      It is even concievable that a country that is largely dependent upon oil might even rig a fake accident.

      • Mike Ivanov

        Talking about madness – there is no bad publicity as they said πŸ™

    • NT

      I am sure there were lots of bad accidents in the days when steam power came into play, but that didn’t stop the train (pun intended) from speeding forward…

      • bachcole

        But those were not the days of litigation madness.

    • NT

      We all live with bombs that can and do take lives every day – gasoline, natural gas, butane, propane and on & on. These are not banned, but promoted and subsidized for sale to the public by most governments – hmmm…

      • Mike Ivanov

        Yep. You still can get fertilizers, mix it with gasoline and do a lot of noise.

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        Agricultural fertilizer….

    • Mike Ivanov

      All components are freely available, actually. There is no way to sell ready to use device right now. Regarding terrorists – this is a joke? So far there is no evidence of “super energy density” in this process.

      • nickec

        Sourcing the lithal (LiAlH4 aka lithium alanate aka lithium aluminum hydride) seems daunting for amateur experimenters. Have you found a source other than China (in large amounts) or SigmaAldrich in the USA? Many sources are particular about who they allow to buy.

      • bachcole

        Plus the “super energy density” has to be release suddenly, and currently do not see any way of doing that.

  • Anon2012_2014

    I’m waiting to buy my portable nuclear reactor from RadioShack or Edmunds Scientific.

    • Ged

      Sounds great, sir. Do you want the exterior in black or pink?

    • Sean

      Remember Heathkit. They would have done it.

  • Anon2012_2014

    I’m waiting to buy my portable nuclear reactor from RadioShack or Edmunds Scientific.

    • Ged

      Sounds great, sir. Do you want the exterior in black or pink?

    • Sean

      Remember Heathkit. They would have done it.

    • SG

      . . . portable *quantum* reactor. FTFY. If we continue to call it nuclear, it will never be on any shelf. Magnetic Resonance Imaging machines originally were called Nuclear MRI machines. How would you want to be scanned by a Nuclear MRI machine? The business folks quickly realized it would never catch on with Nuclear in the name. The same likely applies here. In some ways, “cold fusion” is easier on the public’s ears than “nuclear.” Quantum fusion and quantum reactor are probably the best of the group of suggestions as it sounds futuristic and useful, and not overly dangerous. It also aligns with the leading theories of operation.

      • Mike Ivanov

        Nobody is going to call the kit using words “reactor”, “nuclear” or something like this :). It would be pretty stupid. Good name for first phase of selling it is “kit for physics experiments N1” or like that :). This is for special group of people who knows what is this about.

  • Tom59

    Sounds like a great project for Pinatelli High School. Would the wire and control from an old iron do the job of heating the Ni powder?

  • Tom59

    Sounds like a great project for Pinatelli High School. Would the wire and control from an old iron do the job of heating the Ni powder?

  • bachcole

    I just can’t keep up. Too many comments and too many posts. But it sure is fun trying.

  • NT

    I am sure there were lots of bad accidents in the days when steam power came into play, but that didn’t stop the train (pun intended) from speeding forward…

    • bachcole

      But those were not the days of litigation madness.

  • NT

    We all live with bombs that can and do take lives every day – gasoline, natural gas, butane, propane and on & on. These are not banned, but promoted and subsidized for sale to the public by most governments – hmmm…

    • Mike Ivanov

      Yep. You still can get fertilizers, mix it with gasoline and do a lot of noise.

    • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

      Agricultural fertilizer….

  • TomR

    When a kit is available, if I can afford it, I will buy it.

  • TomR

    When a kit is available, if I can afford it, I will buy it.

  • Mike Ivanov

    Nobody is going to call the kit using words “reactor”, “nuclear” or something like this :). It would be pretty stupid. Good name for first phase of selling it is “kit for physics experiments N1” or like that :). This is for special group of people who knows what is this about.

  • Mike Ivanov

    Talking about madness – there is no bad publicity as they said πŸ™

  • Mats002

    Mike, I want to be the positive guy but I vote for safety measures go first. Peter Gluck talk about this at his site http://egooutpeters.blogspot.se/ and says Lithium aluminum hydride ( LiAlH4 ) is hazardous, see http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9924506. I remember making my own circuit boards by combining hydrogen peroxide with nitric acid (or was it hydrochloric acid?). Can still feel that sharp smell when the copper on the board vanished quickly. My mother’s sauce pan went very clean by that procedure. I was lucky, no one got hurt from it. I bought the ingredients at the pharmacy, no one asked any questions what a 15 year boy would do with the stuff. Let the professionals do the first round! I hope we will learn that except for the ingredients in the core this technology is as safe as normal fire! (that did’nt come out right, did it?) πŸ™‚

    • Mike Ivanov

      Yes, you are right, the delivery of this agent should be handled differently.

  • Mats002

    Mike, I want to be the positive guy but I vote for safety measures go first. Peter Gluck talk about this at his site http://egooutpeters.blogspot.se/ and says Lithium aluminum hydride ( LiAlH4 ) is hazardous, see http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9924506. I remember making my own circuit boards by combining hydrogen peroxide with nitric acid (or was it hydrochloric acid?). Can still feel that sharp smell when the copper on the board vanished quickly. My mother’s sauce pan went very clean by that procedure. I was lucky, no one got hurt from it. I bought the ingredients at the pharmacy, no one asked any questions what a 15 year boy would do with the stuff. Let the professionals do the first round! I hope we will learn that except for the ingredients in the core this technology is as safe as normal fire! (that did’nt come out right, did it?) πŸ™‚

    • Mike Ivanov

      Yes, you are right, the delivery of this agent should be handled differently.

      • clovis ray

        It seems like we have hydrogen,has to be in the mix, there fore you use LiAH4, or you, somehow have it present in the reactor at start up, or from an outside source. and which one gets past regulations best, so now we at the place Dr. Rossi found himself long ago, the regulations, he decided to not proceed with the home application, e-cat, just because, of all that certifications, he already has those, for the warm cat, that seems to be what we’er dealing with here, and with the conclusion of their last test all the loose ends will be tied up, concerning that type LT e cat, i think we should think about, if and how IH and Dr Rossi, might tie everything up , we need guidance on the law here it seems to me, there has to be a stumbling block, some where.

        • Mike Ivanov

          How many years we have been feeding by stories about how dangerous smartphones are for airplanes? 15? 25? And then all suddenly – no danger, you can use it.. black magic.

          • clovis ray

            Black magic, whooo ho, smile, if you don’t know how dangerous hydrogen is, i would advise you not handle it, as for phones, technology changes in aviation,, has improved tremendously in the last 25 years, you will have to agree.

          • bachcole

            Yeah, hydrogen is dangerous, but we get fed lies and crapola all of the time: dietary cholesterol is bad for health, vitamin C supplementation is useless, saturated fats are bad for you, cold fusion is discredited, (by implication) there is only one cause for each disease, pharmaceutical companies and doctors have your best interest at heart, . . . . . . I could go on and on and on.

          • clovis ray

            Hi Buddy
            We’ve had some dealings with H , As in our last experiment with the Justin church, looking for lenr in the catlitc converter, alan had a couple close calls, was all i was thinking about,
            Mike, to your point, i just ran across this,
            Plain old bad luck plays a major role in determining who gets cancer, according to researchers who found that two-thirds of cancer incidence of various types can be blamed on random mutations and not heredity or risky habits such as smoking. lol who would have thunk it,

          • Mike Ivanov

            What is more dangerous, H2 in small balloon or heating gas in my home heater? I did a lot of chemical experiments with H2, oxygen or acetylene when I was young.

  • Paul Smith

    The best thing could be a sealed core already containing the mixed ingredients, having standardized dimensions for various types of reactors.

    • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

      Yes. A sealed alumina tube, Parkhomov dimensions, filled with Parkhomov fuel. Possibly preconditioned so that it is now pressurized hydrogen, essentially. That might get past US DOT regulations if it is properly packaged and small enough.

      This can then be wrapped with heater wire and a thermocouple, as Parkhomov did, but it could also be inserted into a multi-tube heater, this is what individuals will develop, and quickly, if they can get the tubes.

      MFMP may want to develop or facilitate this. It could be a commercial product, someone could make some money doing it. Not a lot of money, but the workman is worthy of his meat.

      Once there is a product, moving, then a lot more can be done. A full kit could be made and sold. Once someone has a facility set up for filling the tubes safely, custom filling service could be provided for a fee. Whatever works. If this is done open-source, anyone can do it, but there is an efficiency in someone doing it and getting good at it. There would be research done into safety, failure analysis, etc.

      It starts with one simple product, which some people are already gearing up to make: a Parkhomov cylinder. No “cold fusion” claims. Just some alumina, nickel, LiAlH4, some high-temperature cement, represented as what it is: some stuff as described, and with some safety information. Do not eat it. Heat at your own risk. To open it, follow these instructions, take these precautions. Etc.

      • NT

        In the gold rush days, the folks selling the shovels (amongst other things) made the money…

  • Pekka Janhunen

    The amount of LiAlH4 is only 0.1 gram. If it explodes (if assuming 4 MJ/kg ie. the same as TNT) it produces 400 joules, which approximately corresponds to muzzle energy of 9 mm pistol. Perhaps one could simply scale down the reactor so that the amount of dangreous substance would be small enough to be safe. Factor 10 downscaling to airgun energies. For just making experiments, one doesn’t need lithium for full 30 days endurance.

    Alternatively, sell pre-mixed Ni-LiAlH4 powder in a single-use plastic bag (PE or PET foil) which the user inserts into the reactor. Such plastics decompose in reactor heat and contain only hydrogen, carbon and (PET) oxygen. Carbon is probably not LENR poison because it existed as impurity in Lugano and was also present as atmospheric CO2.

    For better mechanical robustness, maybe the reactor could be a steel tube instead of ceramic tube, as were Rossi’s earlier HotCats.

    • bachcole

      Here’s a thought. Perhaps the ambient CO2 in 1989 was too low. Now that it is higher, it is easier to make the reaction happen. I don’t actually believe it, but it would be fun if it were true.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Maybe they should breath heavily while loading, just in case

        • bachcole

          I know that you are joking. But what if something like that adds to the unreliability of the results?

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Joking aside, agreed in principle that any such factor might play a role. Fortunately, it’s not yet excluded that Lugano type experiments might turn out to be robust.

  • Andre Blum

    for software: arm based (beaglebone, raspberry pi) stack was started by me for the fusioncatalyst “peerpressure” project. Never made it to completion, as other parties in the project lost interest. (https://github.com/fusioncatalyst/peerpressure). Arduino nice, too, but less possibilities software-wise. Willing to pick up work if there is any serious plan.

    • SG

      This will be needed and appreciated. Many involved with the new fire movement will experience Jobs / Wozniak moments. You might just be an important catalyst to one of the most important developments of all time.

      Might I suggest a feedback mechanism from one or more thermocouples and control for the input power. Self sustain mode will require some intricate monitoring and adjustment of power level.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_aluminium_hydride, LiAlH4 decomposes as follows:

    3 LiAlH4 > Li3AlH6 + 2 Al + 3 H2 (R1)
    2 Li3AlH6 > 6 LiH + 2 Al + 3 H2 (R2)
    2 LiH + 2 Al > 2 LiAl + H2 (R3)

    Note that the result is not pure Li, but a Li-Al alloy, which will more or less merge with the nickel. This – presumably harmless – material could be pre-produced by heating up nickel powder with LiAlH4. Maybe there is even a simpler method.

    The hydrogen could later be supplied in another way, for example by reduction of steam by iron:

    4 H2O + 3 Fe > Fe3O4 + 4 H2

    This would work as well with zinc. In the best case, the Ni-Al-Li alloy could do the job alone – one would only have to add a little water to the powder before it is heated up.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Also lithium-aluminium alloys (aluminium with a few percent of lithium) that are used in aerospace might be one way of sneaking in lithium in a safe way.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_aluminium_hydride, LiAlH4 decomposes as follows:

    3 LiAlH4 > Li3AlH6 + 2 Al + 3 H2 (R1)
    2 Li3AlH6 > 6 LiH + 2 Al + 3 H2 (R2)
    2 LiH + 2 Al > 2 LiAl + H2 (R3)

    Note that the result is not pure Li, but a Li-Al alloy, which will more or less merge with the nickel. This – presumably harmless – material could be pre-produced by heating up nickel powder with LiAlH4. Maybe there is even a simpler method.

    The hydrogen could later be supplied in another way, for example by reduction of steam by iron:

    4 H2O + 3 Fe > Fe3O4 + 4 H2

    This would work as well with zinc. In the best case, the Ni-Al-Li alloy could do the job alone – one would only have to add a little water to the powder before it is heated up.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Also lithium-aluminium alloys (aluminium with a few percent of lithium) that are used in aerospace might be one way of sneaking in lithium in a safe way.

    • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

      What might be overlooked here is that the LiAlH4, when heated, will scrub the atmosphere inside the device of oxygen. Any water vapor will be decomposed to release more hydrogen, leaving some hydroxide salt (of aluminum, I think). So this combination radically cleans the nickel. At this point, I’d consider LiAlH4 to be crucial. Yes, later, substitutes may be found. I would, however, not waste time with substitutes, failure is too likely. Once one has a fuel that works, *then* one can run controlled experiments to improve the process.

      This is how to proceed without depending on theory. It’s basic science. Controlled experiment, single-variable. Be very batch-conscious, particularly with the nickel. Where possible, use a production batch that has previously worked. Until we know that ordinary production nickel powder works, make no assumptions. Pons and Fleischmann got whacked, badly, when they ran out of their original batch of palladium, got more and it didn’t work. And there they were, the world screaming at them, and they couldn’t get the stuff to heat up in their own lab, for a while. My theory is that this led them into certain dysfunctional decisions that trashed their reputation, specifically the Morrey et al helium fiasco. It’s an amazing story with unwarranted assumptions *on all sides.*

  • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

    A relatively complex kit that could take months or more to develop is described. Don’t start there. The first product is just a “fuel rod.” It is a Parkhomov alumina cylinder, filled as he described. It does not have the heater wire wrap and the thermocouple. Anyone can add that, or heat the thing in an oven. I’d think of heating a pile of the rods in an electric kiln. But I’d do the math first!

    I have not yet researched shipping restrictions beyond knowing that restrictions on LiAlH4 are strong. If the fuel rods are pretreated (heated to hydrogen release temperature) before shipping, the LiAlH4 would be gone, but left would be hydrogen under pressure, maybe 50 atmospheres, but in a small space, sealed, and then presumably packaged for safety. It might be shippable. That’s going to be the largest practical obstacle, shipment of the rods.

    These fuel rods should be cheap. Then, whatever else is needed can be cobbed together. The Parkhomov apparatus is simple, and the details are more sophisticated than they look. For example, the way the steel box is placed in the bucket of water is such that escaping steam will pass over the box containing the hot reactor, which will slightly superheat the steam, possibly reducing wetness to zero. Those holes at the top if there are many of them, all over the box position, will reduce pressure, so that steam velocity is low and thus there will be less trapped water. However, already, it looks like the steam will be 95% quality or better.

    This is an experiment ready to be reproduced widely. The situation has radically shifted since Christmas day. Rossi’s work was secretive, with major details missing, and the “independent professors” were likely under non-disclosure agreements and, my guess, have an agreement not to talk to the public independently. With Parkhomov, this no longer is about Rossi. It’s now about science, an experimental report that looks very replicable.

    There could still be unknown details. Parkhomov may have a different kind of cat, one with hair, and it turns out that a cat hair is essential. That’s a joke, but the point isn’t. As did Pons and Fleischmann, Parkhomov may have gotten lucky, a batch of nickel that works when most won’t. Still, we are far, far ahead of where we were with Rossi, a week ago. For some years, I’ve been saying that we should wait until there is verifiable information, truly independent confirmation.

    This is it. It is now time to mobilize wide confirmation. It’s going to happen, we couldn’t stop it if we wanted to.

    The cat is out of the bag.

    • SG

      While I agree with nearly everything you say, I suggest that we not refer to the heated vessels as “fuel rods.” Language and terminology are important, particularly when supporting the emergence of a new technology. Skype specifically avoided calling themselves a telephone company, which very likely was instrumental in their emergence without being crushed by entrenched interests and regulations. Might I suggest “sealed heating vessel” instead.

  • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

    A relatively complex kit that could take months or more to develop is described. Don’t start there. The first product is just a “fuel rod.” It is a Parkhomov alumina cylinder, filled as he described. It does not have the heater wire wrap and the thermocouple. Anyone can add that, or heat the thing in an oven. I’d think of heating a pile of the rods in an electric kiln. But I’d do the math first!

    I have not yet researched shipping restrictions beyond knowing that restrictions on LiAlH4 are strong. If the fuel rods are pretreated (heated to hydrogen release temperature) before shipping, the LiAlH4 would be gone, but left would be hydrogen under pressure, maybe 50 atmospheres, but in a small space, sealed, and then presumably packaged for safety. It might be shippable. That’s going to be the largest practical obstacle, shipment of the rods.

    These fuel rods should be cheap. Then, whatever else is needed can be cobbed together. The Parkhomov apparatus is simple, and the details are more sophisticated than they look. For example, the way the steel box is placed in the bucket of water is such that escaping steam will pass over the box containing the hot reactor, which will slightly superheat the steam, possibly reducing wetness to zero. Those holes at the top if there are many of them, all over the box position, will reduce pressure, so that steam velocity is low and thus there will be less trapped water. However, already, it looks like the steam will be 95% quality or better.

    This is an experiment ready to be reproduced widely. The situation has radically shifted since Christmas day. Rossi’s work was secretive, with major details missing, and the “independent professors” were likely under non-disclosure agreements and, my guess, have an agreement not to talk to the public independently. With Parkhomov, this no longer is about Rossi. It’s now about science, an experimental report that looks very replicable.

    There could still be unknown details. Parkhomov may have a different kind of cat, one with hair, and it turns out that a cat hair is essential. That’s a joke, but the point isn’t. As did Pons and Fleischmann, Parkhomov may have gotten lucky, a batch of nickel that works when most won’t. Still, we are far, far ahead of where we were with Rossi, a week ago. For some years, I’ve been saying that we should wait until there is verifiable information, truly independent confirmation.

    This is it. It is now time to mobilize wide confirmation. It’s going to happen, we couldn’t stop it if we wanted to.

    The cat is out of the bag.

    • SG

      While I agree with nearly everything you say, I suggest that we not refer to the heated vessels as “fuel rods.” Language and terminology are important, particularly when supporting the emergence of a new technology. Skype specifically avoided calling themselves a telephone company, which very likely was instrumental in their emergence without being crushed by entrenched interests and regulations. Might I suggest “sealed heating vessel” instead.

      • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

        Magic Nickel (TM) Chemistry Kit.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Maybe they should breath heavily while loading, just in case

  • Valeriy Tarasov

    A simplest test:
    1. Fuel: 1) Only Ni and 2) Ni plus LiAlH.
    2. Two identical Core
    3. Two identical boxes with water. These boxes are planed to be used for water evaporation by the cores with 1) only Ni and 2) Ni plus LiAlH. Volume of water left (from known initial volume) after several hours (days) of heating by two cores, with 1) only Ni and 2) Ni plus LiAlH, will be used for the calculation of differences in energy used for water evaporation by two cores.
    No Sensors, no Control system, no Software are needed.
    4. Device to control and maintain the identical parameters of current in electric heaters in both cores.

    • nickec

      I am designing a very similar protocol. I deviate from Parkhomov by heating using a gas torch and I only look for heat after death using timed thermocouple data. Such an approach eliminates the need for many procedures and simplifies construction. It is a severe compromise, I admit.

      I like your proposal. Perhaps after my first experiments I can implement it. Thanks for posting Valeriy.

    • nickec

      Three identical cores might make sense. The third being empty. Atmosphere in all three needs careful preparation to assure similitude.

  • protn7

    very enterprising idea you have. Rossi proteges say that he observed up to 200 COP but it was unstable. What do you know about that?

    • artefact

      He probably got the reaction going and switched of the input and leave it in self sustained mode. In his patent are COPs like that mentioned. The less input you give the less it seems stable.

  • Mike Ivanov

    How many years we have been feeding by stories about how dangerous smartphones are for airplanes? 15? 25? And then all suddenly – no danger, you can use it.. black magic.

  • artefact

    He probably got the reaction going and switched of the input and leave it in self sustained mode. In his patent are COPs like that mentioned. The less input you give the less it seems stable.

  • NT

    In the gold rush days, the folks selling the shovels (amongst other things) made the money…

  • Alexei Cherenkov

    I would propose to go slightly further: to offer kits to solve some needs. Where do people need in high temperature at home? Well, all are thinking immediately about home heating, but it’s too complicated.
    1) Spirits-producing home system (samogon) is not restricted in many countries for personal use.
    2) Small oven for ceramics (for clubs or something, there people make small gifts for himself)
    3) Ovens for jewellers

  • Alexei Cherenkov

    I would propose to go slightly further: to offer kits to solve some needs. Where do people need in high temperature at home? Well, all are thinking immediately about home heating, but it’s too complicated.
    1) Spirits-producing home system (samogon) is not restricted in many countries for personal use.
    2) Small oven for ceramics (for clubs or something, there people make small gifts for himself)
    3) Ovens for jewellers

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Joking aside, agreed in principle that any such factor might play a role. Fortunately, it’s not yet excluded that Lugano type experiments might turn out to be robust.

  • Which Windows software is used for power control and data capture?

  • Which Windows software is used for power control and data capture?

  • In the manual, be carefull about security. We must think that in Rossi reactor, the temperature cycle shows exponential divergent curves which indicate potential explosion (this already happened in some experiments). Think also that anybody can try any other powder even a far better one, without knowing the risk. Think also that this risk can be used by opponents to try to stop all the kit distributions and perharps some laws to reduce the liberties. In the manual, explain carefully these risks.

  • little al

    I would think that an e-cat, not a hot cat, might make a better garage project for starters

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I wonder if a cement exists that is hydrogen-tight, cures at low temperatures and does not react too much with LiAlH4. If so, one could mix the fuel powder with the cement, form little pellets, let them dry and heat them finally up. This would be a way to get rid of the annoying problems with pressurized vessels.

    There are many different hydrogen sources which could substitute LiAlH4, provided that the lithium is less important than has been suggested.

    This might be a completely new type of experiment, possibly even suited for garage experimenters as long as the necessary safety measures are observed.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I wonder if a cement exists that is hydrogen-tight, cures at low temperatures and does not react too much with LiAlH4. If so, one could mix the fuel powder with the cement, form little pellets, let them dry and heat them finally up. This would be a way to get rid of the annoying problems with pressurized vessels.

    There are many different hydrogen sources which could substitute LiAlH4, provided that the lithium is less important than has been suggested.

    This might be a completely new type of experiment, possibly even suited for garage experimenters as long as the necessary safety measures are observed.

  • Mike Ivanov

    What is more dangerous, H2 in small balloon or heating gas in my home heater? I did a lot of chemical experiments with H2, oxygen or acetylene when I was young.