Thoughts on LENR Rollout (Omega Z)

The following post by Omega Z was first posted on this thread (lightly edited for spelling and punctuation)

OK, Many times I make posts that attempt to tamp down expectations.

Like Heating all the roads & highways: theoretically possible, though realistically unobtainable for many reasons.
E-cat powered cars: at least 20 years out. The technology just isn’t there & no matter how you crunch the numbers, It doesn’t work. Note that I also find battery powered vehicles questionable in it’s present technological state.
However, The E-cat, tho a long way from a fully mature technology, is fast approaching a maturity level where it can be used for fixed location heat & soon to follow electricity generation (a couple years).

As to the DECC [UK’s Secretary of the Department Energy and Climate Change] response, This is at least the 2nd I’m aware of from them & maybe the 3rd. It provides enough detail that we know that they are at least aware of LENR & probably watching more closely than we imagine. In fact, anyone paying attention knows there are MANY Countries watching closely.

It indicates the situation will or could change if/when it is peer reviewed by those in Mainstream Science with what appears to be a caveat, or If/When mass produced.

Well, we’re back to: The Market will decide — because until then, mainstrea Science isn’t going to accept it.
Sooo, if at the end of a year, if Rossi/Industrial Heats pilot plant proves viable, additional plants will be produced. DECC will start funding research to better understand LENR.

Too late, because at that point, industry will be pumping billions into research, development and marketing. It will be the scientists employed by industry or contracted by them in universities that will lead the way. They will progress far faster then any government funded research.

One thing that has been posted many times by many people that I agree with 100%. If just 1 Country has LENR, all others will jump on board or fall to their own peril.

  • BroKeeper

    Agreed, Omega Z, it will need only one domino to move the rest.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Unfortunately, LENR would not help the states who currently generate most of their GNP by oil production and sales. The governments of these states should wake up as soon as possible and initiate development programs that open up other sources of revenue to their countries. In the interest of global stability one can only hope that the low oil price will foster a change of views, even if most administrations have presumably no idea of LENR and their potential economical impact.

  • Bob

    A bit off topic, but it certainly would help some. Has anyone heard about the “question and answer” project that the authors of the Lugano test were to have. My understanding was that a list of valid, realistic questions was being collected and was to be submitted to the authors, who agreed to attempt to answer them. Was this list being collected on Vortex-L / Ged Rothwell?

    Has anyone heard of any progress on this? Perhaps Frank can make a few inquiries of his contacts.

  • Gerard McEk

    It is impossible to predict how quickly LENR will develop, it is like looking into a crystal ball. We all have great hopes the LENR science becomes mainstream and there are signs that it may happen this year. If Parkhomov’s tests are replicated and if the 1 MW plant proves doing well, mainstream science and media may pick up. Rossi seems quit optimistic lately so I have the feeling it can happen in 2015.
    Generating electricity with a LENR reactor only happens if the COP exceeds 10 or so and even then it may take a while before it can be demonstrated. We do not know far the different groups in the world are progressed in their development. As I said, a you need crystal ball for LENR, maybe filled with Ni and LiAlH4…..

  • Omega Z

    You know U.S. Oil inventories(That’s waiting to be processed) are around 380 million barrels & still climbing. Between the U.S. Emergency reserves & the Oil company inventories, The U.S. has over a Billion barrels in holding.

    Aside from that, LENR has nothing to do with the Oil prices. It’s supply exceeding demand & the Saudis wont cut production. It also doesn’t have anything to do with Saudis trying to shut down shale oil. Obviously, as soon as prices recovered, Shale oil would flow very soon after. It’s about middle eastern politics. Saudi’s verses Iran, Syria, and Russia by extension due to their supporting of Syria. The Saudi’s are fast building a Major Military for an expected future confrontation with Iran.

    Back to LENR & Oil. LENR & cars are not practical & wont be for a long time. That leaves Battery power charged by LENR Generators. That to is limited. Elon Musk’s Gigabattery plant at a cost of 6 Billion plus tax breaks etc will produce 500K batteries a year by 2020. There’s over 1 Billion cars in the World. The question we need to ask is can we transition before Oil is exhausted or to expensive for anyone to afford. Not if Big Oil will be hurt.

  • Omega Z

    The Gulf politics has to do with a few who want to resurrect antiquated Empires. Oil or not wont change anything.

    Electric cars will take decades to become the primary form of transportation. Battery production is slow to increase & the battery technology is still at a primitive stage & expensive. Thus the slow uptake.

    Aside from that, Home versions of E-cats wont produce much electricity(Likely not enough to power itself). Even if Hot cats are allowed in the home(This is questionable) You would need at least a 15Kw system in order to have a 2Kw output charger. Local grid power would be more efficient & much cheaper. Fact. It’s all about cost or most people would already be off grid if it weren’t.

    It has little to do with self sustaining, But everything to do with heat to electric conversion. Possibly 20% to 25% at most. You need much larger systems to obtain conversion range of 30% to 50%.
    Also, Don’t over look the fact that E-cats need power even during self sustain mode. The Hot cat requires 300 watts & if your planning on electrical product, There will be other energy drain for pumps etc..

    The Hot cat will provide advantages as it would allow smaller power plants located near point of use reducing the need for a large grid & could possibly be more efficient then the mega power plants that are centralized today. Due to E-cats nature, they probably wont be cost effective as individual home systems other then for base load heating in the winter. The technology just doesn’t exist at this time for other needs in an economical fashion & likely wont be for many years.

    • Mats Hilmersson

      What make you think breakthrough development is not likely, considering how poor this phenomenon is understood and how little engineering work is put into the field this far?

      • Omega Z

        As to electrical conversion, that is a well known science & is limited by Carnot cycle. Nothing will change that. I also have no doubt that LENR will advance & improve, But it will still require energy to operate/monitor & control(300 watts). This is required even when in self sustain mode.