The Parkhomov Effect Could Lead to Cold Fusion / LENR Breakout in 2015

As Alexander Parkhomov continues to speak and publish about his work on the Lugano E-Cat replication effort, it is becoming clear that his work is becoming the major focus of people following the LENR story.

For a number of years we have been carefully watching news about Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat, reading his comments, and studying every report, snippet of news and image, waiting for his technology to finally make it into the real world. The Lugano report was a turning point, because we received what could turn out to be critical information about the fuel used in the reactor, and this is the information that Alexander Parkhomov took and ran with — building a reactor based on information in that report.

Now it appears that he has gotten close enough to Rossi’s recipe to show some type of ‘Rossi effect’, even if the reactor is not identical in construction or fuel. But I think his work has shown an effect that is ‘close enough’ to get people thinking that maybe it’s not such a difficult thing after all to build a device that clearly demonstrates an LENR effect.

We have seen the work of Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project, Brian Ahern, and Jack Cole as examples of efforts now attempting to build on the work of Parkhomov (in different ways) — and I am aware of another serious attempt in the planning stages. I am sure there are more efforts underway, probably behind closed doors, at least for now.

If results can be shown to be consistently repeated, and the levels of energy gain are shown to be beyond the realm of chemical reactions, I think that 2015 could be the year where we finally see LENR breaking out in the world, even if we don’t get anything more revealed from Rossi and Industrial Heat.

If there are even a handful of separate experiments that can conclusively show an effect, I think it will build a momentum that will be hard to stop. At some point, I think it will be inevitable that some university or government lab somewhere will pay attention, and want to try their own replication. If one is successful, then others will surely follow, and sooner or later, there will begin to be media reports that will begin to reach the general population.

Alexander Parkhomov has set a snowball rolling.

Frank Acland

P.S. Just to be clear, when I refer to the ‘Parkhomov Effect’ in the title above, I mean a social effect that has had the effect motivating other replications. The effect he has replicated is rightly called the ‘Rossi effect’ since his work is based on the E-Cat.

  • LCD

    Does Parkhomov get the Nobel then?

    • Chris the 2nd

      For Chemistry? Perhaps. Nobel prizes are selected by academics on the nobel committee. If Rossi cant describe the effect effectively, but Parkhomov can…
      If Rossi makes it cheap and available to everyone, maybe he could get the peace price though. Still a long shot though. He just doesn’t seem like the type to shake the right hands, jump through the right hoops and make the right friends.

      • deleo77

        If Parkhomov shares everything about his experiment with other researchers and can get multiple, verified replications from other academic groups so that he gets published in a peer review journal, he could win the Nobel for Chemistry. I wonder if that thought is even on his mind yet. Rossi could make the claim that Parkhomov’s work was based on the Lugano test and that he should get a piece of it as well. That sounds like a political battle that would have to play out, unless Parkhomov agreed to share it with him.

        But hopefully Parkhomov is communicating with his academic colleagues to try to get them to replicate. It would probably take many months to go through that process and get into a peer reviewed journal, but perhaps we can get some signals that he is working towards this goal.

        • Omega Z

          Parkhomov’s work is based on the Lugano test. He is just replicating it.

    • bfast

      No, Parkhomov is only replicating. The Nobel must go to Rossi, Pons or both.

      • LCD

        Sorry but there is good history that does not support rossi getting the prize alone or at all if parkhomov is the first to make ouyt public.

  • LCD

    Does Parkhomov get the Nobel then?

    • Chris the 2nd

      For Chemistry? Perhaps. Nobel prizes are selected by academics on the nobel committee. If Rossi cant describe the effect effectively, but Parkhomov can…
      If Rossi makes it cheap and available to everyone, maybe he could get the peace price though. Still a long shot though. He just doesn’t seem like the type to shake the right hands, jump through the right hoops and make the right friends.

      • deleo77

        If Parkhomov shares everything about his experiment with other researchers and can get multiple, verified replications from other academic groups so that he gets published in a peer review journal, he could win the Nobel for Chemistry. I wonder if that thought is even on his mind yet. Rossi could make the claim that Parkhomov’s work was based on the Lugano test and that he should get a piece of it as well. That sounds like a political battle that would have to play out, unless Parkhomov agreed to share it with him.

        But hopefully Parkhomov is communicating with his academic colleagues to try to get them to replicate. It would probably take many months to go through that process and get into a peer reviewed journal, but perhaps we can get some signals that he is working towards this goal.

        • Omega Z

          Parkhomov’s work is based on the Lugano test. He is just replicating it.

    • bfast

      No, Parkhomov is only replicating. The Nobel must go to Rossi, Pons or both.

      • LCD

        Sorry but there is good history that does not support rossi getting the prize alone or at all if parkhomov is the first to make ouyt public.

    • doug marker

      Should Parkhmov get to prove replication (which is looking good) the question of a Nobel prize is interesting

      One would imagine it could be shared a) with Fleischmann–Pons and b) with Piantelli to date only Piantelli has been awarded international patents for LENR+ based devices #1 in 1995 (lapsed) & #2 in 2010 – granted in Dec 2012).

      But Andrea Rossi is famous for having widely promoted the process along with Prof Focardi (who shared the 1995 LENR+ Piantelli patent). Andrea Rossi does have an Italian only patent from 2008 but that same patent was announced as being rejected by the international patent office in 2012.

      Very challenging call. When the time comes, who gets the Nobel prize ?.

      DSM

      • Omega Z

        Nobel prize is for the living. It can’t be given posthumously.

      • LCD

        But it’s not replication if he doesn’t know all the details. This is not so straight forward right?

  • SG

    Well said, well said. I can’t help but feel we are on finally on the verge. These next few months will be critical. As soon as we can get two or three more independent confirmations of the effect, the risks of attempting a replication go down, both in terms of reputational risk and experimental risk. As soon as that happens, many, many others will initiate replication attempts.

  • Gerard McEk

    I fully agree with you Frank, this looks like an extremely simple thing to replicate. I think I start a factory in alumina pipes.

  • Gerard McEk

    I fully agree with you Frank, this looks like an extremely simple thing to replicate. I think I start a factory in alumina pipes.

  • Toussaint françois

    The time has come at the sceptics who vomited on rossi andrea, for years to apologize

  • Nicholas Cafarelli

    How far the snowball can roll remains unclear. The longevity of interest might rely on how large the effect is and how easily devices can be manufactured to do useful work for society.

  • Nicholas Cafarelli

    How far the snowball can roll remains unclear. The longevity of interest might rely on how large the effect is and how easily devices can be manufactured to do useful work for society.

  • Sanjeev

    I’m impressed with Parkhomov’s openness and selflessness.
    He could have easily kept it all secret, could have formed a company, apply for a patent and ask for million $ investments. But he went ahead and shared his replication with the important revelation that no catalyst was needed. (This alone can break all replication barriers).

    He did not hesitate to give full credit to the original inventor – Rossi, not calling it his own invention, or calling it by some other name to disguise it as a new discovery. As we all know, so many “inventors” have done that – all for money. Parkhomov restores some hope in humanity.
    So when the flood of ECat replications come, can we call it “Parkhomov Effect” ? 🙂

    • TomR

      Thank you Sanjeev, for your summary.

  • Sanjeev

    I’m impressed with Parkhomov’s openness and selflessness.
    He could have easily kept it all secret, could have formed a company, apply for a patent and ask for million $ investments. But he went ahead and shared his replication with the important revelation that no catalyst was needed. (This alone can break all replication barriers).

    He did not hesitate to give full credit to the original inventor – Rossi, not calling it his own invention, or calling it by some other name to disguise it as a new discovery. As we all know, so many “inventors” have done that – all for money. Parkhomov restores some hope in humanity.
    So when the flood of ECat replications come, can we call it “Parkhomov Effect” ? 🙂

    • Jack T.

      The nice thing about him not keeping it all a secret is that MFMP was not able to reproduce his publicly available knowledge. So it’s back to “for me to know and you to find out”.

      • Omega Z

        There is nothing for Parkhomov to keep secret.
        What he is using is all revealed in the TIP report. He merely has the experiance, skills & ability to make good use of what was published.

        I find it likely he has been following Rossi’s work studying the E-cat far longer then just from the time of 2nd TIP report.

    • TomR

      Thank you Sanjeev, for your summary.

  • Ronzonni

    Meanwhile, Rossi is saying on JONP that the test phase of the megawatt plant won’t be completed until “not before November 2015, not later than February 2016, I suppose.”

    That’s so disappointing! And vague! Hydrofusion has been saying on their web site that megawatt plants can be ordered for delivery within four months. Now, it seems they can’t.

    What’s really happening here? How can such a revolutionary and important technology be delayed to such an extent? It’s been four long years since the first public announcements in early 2011! And there is still no way for the public or the press to see a plant. There seems to be no way to purchase one. Can’t Rossi induce a company more powerful and resourceful than Industrial Heat to accelerate this effort? When there are literally billions of dollars at stake?

    • Jarea

      I have always thought that these delays are part of the roadmap dictated by IH and maybe someone above. The oil and the whole industry has to take good positions before the bomb reach the media and the market. We don’t want to blow the US economy and other big oil companies with that. Isn´t it?

      • ronzonni

        Well, you’d think if that was the goal, that they’d stay off the radar entirely. But they really don’t. Rossi, and by implication IH, arranged for tests by professors and then went public with those results. Couldn’t that blow the economy and the oil companies? And then Mr. Darden went to China and promoted the ecats there. And Bill Gates saw a demo of LENR.

        I can’t see that working with a large company with more resources would do much more to expose the concept. It isn’t as if everything is going to be LENR powered overnight even if the devices go on sale tomorrow! It will all take time. So why one plant at a time when that plant was supposedly market ready more than 3 years ago?

        • Omega Z

          “So why one plant at a time when that plant was supposedly market ready more than 3 years ago?”

          Apparently, it wasn’t as ready as Rossi thought. In fact Rossi has implied reactor redesign even in this pilot plant.
          You don’t produce multiple plants until you work the issues in the pilot plant. Having many plants in operation with issues can become a whack a mole experience.

          Wait until the Hot cats are ready for industrial use.
          When even retrofitting an existing power plant may take 2 or 3 years.
          Not kidding. Elon Musk’s Mega battery plant from breaking ground to ready for production will take 3 years. “If All Goes Well???”

          This will all take much longer then many here at ECW realize.

    • ronzonni

      … sorry, wrong place

  • bfast

    Frank, I love your optimism. Here’s hopin’ you’re right. Replication is supposed to be the gold standard of validation. I think, however, that we need MFMP to replicate it as they have established themselves as an extremely open group.

    On the other side of the ledger, I was shocked when I read the report of the MIT class that attendance was down. Down! You’ve got to be kidding! They are showing off radically revolutionary technology. How can the 2015 class of MIT be so stupid as to ignore this. It really proves that science is driven more by consensus and looking good to your colleagues than it is by the data.

    • Omega Z

      Attendance was down, but from what I understand, it was available by streaming. Many of those who may attend are students who would sacrifice home time to be physically present. With streaming they can do both.

  • bfast

    Frank, I love your optimism. Here’s hopin’ you’re right. Replication is supposed to be the gold standard of validation. I think, however, that we need MFMP to replicate it as they have established themselves as an extremely open group.

    On the other side of the ledger, I was shocked when I read the report of the MIT class that attendance was down. Down! You’ve got to be kidding! They are showing off radically revolutionary technology. How can the 2015 class of MIT be so stupid as to ignore this. It really proves that science is driven more by consensus and looking good to your colleagues than it is by the data.

    • Alberonn

      Could it be : by their no-yes-no-attitude they chased away the believers, the nay-sayers wouldn’t come anyway : short : credability-erosion….

    • Omega Z

      Attendance was down, but from what I understand, it was available by streaming. Many of those who may attend are students who would sacrifice home time to be physically present. With streaming they can do both.

  • Gerrit

    We still need the confirmation from MFMP and Brian Ahern, but then we will have the real breakout. And at the end of 2015 there will be Rossi presenting the commercial plant with long term data.

    • I agree with you, but I don’t believe that Rossi will reveal much this year.

  • Gerrit

    We still need the confirmation from MFMP and Brian Ahern, but then we will have the real breakout. And at the end of 2015 there will be Rossi presenting the commercial plant with long term data.

    • I agree with you, but I don’t believe that Rossi will reveal much this year.

    • Alberonn

      MFMP has an invitation by Parkhomov for 26-2-2015 is seems. It is not clear they have accepted and agreed to go. Sure hope they have not spent too much of their resources on the Piantelly-visit and sure hope in a months time the exchange does not get thwarted by ‘external factors’.
      As for your last point : I am increasingly worried about the absolute silence from IH, no website, no info, just Rossi chatting… : could it be a scam to delay the birth of this baby, in order to ‘synchronize’ the development somehow with the nessecairy adaptations of certain vested interests in the US?

  • Ophelia Rump

    “The Parkhomov Effect”
    Seriously No. This is insidious.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      You said it Ophelia. Before Rossi came on the scene, would Parkhomov in his wildest dream ever have thought of heating a mixture of lithium aluminum hydride and nickel powder in a tube?
      It’s the Rossi effect.

      • ecatworld

        I should have been more clear. In the title of this post,, the Parkhomov Effect refers not to the LENR reaction — which I would call the Rossi Effect — but the effect that Parkhomov’s replication is having, which is to inspire others to try to replicate.

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Thanks Frank. I’m that sure you understand that it Rossi’s discovery. Thanks for explicitly stating that.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Meant to say: I’m sure you understand that it’s Rossi’s discovery.

    • Anon2012_2014

      Disloyal to whom, Rossi who hid this from us for 3+ years?

      I will go with open science and publishing any day. No delays. Instant feedback on the weaknesses.

      • Omega Z

        All Parkhomov has done is partially replicate what has been published in the TIP report. He has revealed nothing that wasn’t already available.
        I mean no disrespect of Parkhomov. Likely this will be of benefit to Rossi/IH in obtaining the patent.

  • Ophelia Rump

    “The Parkhomov Effect”
    Seriously No. This is insidiously disloyal.

    • SapientAtomicStructure

      Could mean “replication effect” rather than “heat generating effect”.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      You said it Ophelia. Before Rossi came on the scene, would Parkhomov in his wildest dream ever have thought of heating a mixture of lithium aluminum hydride and nickel powder in a tube?
      It’s the Rossi effect.

      • Frank Acland

        I should have been more clear. In the title of this post,, the Parkhomov Effect refers not to the LENR reaction — which I would call the Rossi Effect — but the effect that Parkhomov’s replication is having, which is to inspire others to try to replicate.

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Thanks Frank. I’m that sure you understand that it Rossi’s discovery. Thanks for explicitly stating that.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Meant to say: I’m sure you understand that it’s Rossi’s discovery.

      • MaxS

        Actually Piantelli has patented Li as an ingredient, which is prior art to Rossi. Perhaps we should call it Piantelli effect then?

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Yes Max, Piantelli is a great scientist and in retrospect it does seem that cut and dry but all I know is that the “Please, May I have a cup of tea?” jokes that we put up with since 1989 came to an abrupt end when the
          E-Cat came on the scene. It forced the patent department to take notice. It
          paved the way for all the LENR researchers (including Piantelli).

    • Anon2012_2014

      Disloyal to whom, Rossi who hid this from us for 3+ years?

      I will go with open science and publishing any day. No delays. Instant feedback on the weaknesses.

      • Omega Z

        All Parkhomov has done is partially replicate what has been published in the TIP report. He has revealed nothing that wasn’t already available.
        I mean no disrespect of Parkhomov. Likely this will be of benefit to Rossi/IH in obtaining the patent.

        • bachcole

          I couldn’t agree LESS. Your facts are perfect, but your interpretation is certainly not mine. Science and credibility is all about repetition. He repeated something that the skeptopaths said was impossible. (Of course, most of the skeptopaths will still say that it is impossible and that Parkhomov is part of a vast LENR conspiracy of some kind, for some reason that I can’t quite fathom.).

          • Omega Z

            Not sure what you disagree with.
            Unless you took it that i didn’t see any value in Parkhomov replicating it. In that case, I should have been more clear. It does have value. He just didn’t reveal anything that wasn’t already available in the report.

        • doug marker

          Omega Z

          When you say ‘the patent’ what patent are you referring to ? – do you have a link ?

          Thanks DSM

          • Omega Z

            I don’t have a link at hand, but there may be a link in an ECW thread back around August. Rossi/IH had put a 2 or 3 month hold on it at that time probably in anticipation of the Lugano TIP report.

            It has been in additional ECW threads far back, but I wouldn’t venture a guess as to a time frame. Note there are 2 applications. One in the U.S. & one in Europe.

            There’s indications additional patents have been filed(reactor devices) by IH/Rossi since Industrial Heat bought his technology, but probably not publicly accessible as of yet. They usually aren’t published until 18 months after submission.

          • doug marker

            Omega Z – thanks – what I was aware of was patents for the ‘cold-cat’ but was thinking that the ‘hot-cat’ would justify a new patent.

            I think you are likely right that Rossi/IH have filed new patents that as yet have not been published. Hopefully that will be soon.

            The Lugarno test had to have been for just such a purpose.

            Cheers Doug

  • Mats Hilmersson

    The reason for IH to be as quiet as they have been is of course to get some IP protection in place. Since Parkhomov has put so much of the whole thing in the public domain before the patent was granted I think IH is more motivated to get public at this point.

  • Mats Hilmersson

    The reason for IH to be as quiet as they have been is of course to get some IP protection in place. Since Parkhomov has put so much of the whole thing in the public domain before the patent was granted I think IH is more motivated to get public at this point.

  • Jarea1

    I have always thought that these delays are part of the roadmap dictated by IH and maybe someone above. The oil and the whole industry has to take good positions before the bomb reach the media and the market. We don’t want to blow the US and more biggest companies wit that. Isn´t it?

  • rats123

    Is anyone in contact with Parkhomov? Could Parkhomov do a live demo? It would be great to see this work for real. With all due respect, all we have is a report from him right now.

    • I would find it more interesting to see a peer reviewed paper of his study in a famous russian journal.

      • Alberonn

        That to happen, would be a disaster for the proliferation of the technology via Parkhomov : he would be muzzled and probably the whole development in Russia would stop or go serious underground : a pity; so many smart minds…
        Don’t forget Parkhomov is presently our best bet for the FREE proliferation of this technology, hope this doesn’t get waisted by unnessecary stupid moves…

    • Josh G

      I believe MFMP is going to visit him at the end of February. I am guessing they are going to do a live test while there…

    • Omega Z

      Parkhomov appears to be on the right path. What he has done is not yet conclusive. More needs to be done before we know anything for sure.

  • jousterusa

    Can anyone tell me how it is possible to replicate Rossi’s device if they do not know his proprietary catalyst?

    • Mats Hilmersson

      Perhaps the secret catalyst talk was a way to make the competition give up before trying.

    • Anon2012_2014

      The secret was the lithium I believe. No longer secret.

      • Omega Z

        Lithium is just 1 part of several pieces of the puzzle.

      • Omega Z

        1st., I eat relatively healthy. My early years was on a farm & you raised or grew most everything you ate. All the colors of the rainbow. Butchered our beef, pork & chicken. Fresh squeezed milk & eggs. Our fruits & veggies were canned. In quart mason jars or blanched & frozen. Our basic shopping list was sugar, flour & coffee & a few seasonings. I eat similar today how I ate then. A balanced meal. For me, meat is just part of a meal. Not the meal. Of course, most of my food is store bought today. I grow only a small garden. It’s a lot of work the old way. 🙂

        I agree, most people eat to much meat. Victims of the fat, I mean fast food society. Not an issue for me. I eat out maybe 3 or 4 times a year. IMO, any burger less then 85% lean should be banned.

        Livestock have been supplemented by grains for eons. Of course it wasn’t their primary food. Free range is becoming a rarity & where available usually requires 30 acres per cow for several years. One acre of corn brings a cow to market. I too would like to see more hay fed, but that is also limited & requires a lot of acreage per cow. It is low calorie food compared to corn.

        Hay production could be increased if the States & counties would allow hay crops in the greens along roadsides. It would save them a lot of money considering they mow it anyway. Let the farmer do it & even collect a small fee per bail. Note that cows have always eaten corn. Just not in it’s present hybrid cultivated selected breeding form today. Corn or Maze is a grass.

        Something you may find of interest. The traits in corn that promoted Omega-3 fatty acids in beef was only recently breed out of it within the last 100 years. It can be recovered if the seed companies made the effort. By back stepping to a more heirloom grade of corn plant.

        As to farmers attempting to maximize profit. Many times it’s about minimizing losses. This year many are hanging on to crops as long as possible storing them in grain bins. Hoping the price goes up. Ultimately, many will sell their crop for less then it cost to plant. Farming is a high health risk unforgiving business. Contrary what special interest groups say, Few farmers mistreat there animals. Given there are about 2 million farmers, you will have a few bad apples. Even then, it tends to be the hired help. In today’s wireless world, they should have cameras everywhere to keep an eye on them.

        • bachcole

          Thank you for that. I thought that I was a healthy eater until the pain started to happen, and I became radicalised.

          It sounds like you think that I am proposing a public policy solution to our food and health problems. I am not. I am proposing that each individual make informed and intelligent choices that are right for them, and then farmers and markets and social policies will have to adjust. I am simply doing some of the informing, and if no politician or journalist reads my comments, I couldn’t care less.

          For all of you fellow cold fusion vanguards, when the pain starts, don’t think that it is inevitable or just a natural part of ageing. I stopped the pain by getting radical about my diet, increasing my antioxidants and enzymes greatly, etc. etc. etc.

          • Omega Z

            “It sounds like you think that I am proposing a public policy solution to our food and health problems.”

            No, Not at all. Not Once have I seen a post from you that says people have to eat this or that. Only suggestions. That’s why I’m aware that your not a Vegan.
            They tend to Demand that we all become vegan.
            I’m not aware of any Non Vegans demanding they eat meat tho I’m sure a few have thought about forcing some down their throat because of their antagonistic ways. “Not me of Course :-)”

            One of my issues is the fat content of burger. We actually need fat to be healthy-even some of the bad type- But 15% is plenty with today’s life style. 30% was so 100 years ago when food was scarcer & our activity levels were much higher.

            My Achilles heel is sugar. When I was younger, my metabolism would burn right thru it, But I’m older & slower today. I need to get serious about reducing it.

  • jousterusa

    Can anyone tell me how it is possible to replicate Rossi’s device if they do not know his proprietary catalyst?

    • Mats Hilmersson

      Perhaps the secret catalyst talk was a way to make the competition give up before trying.

      • Samiam

        The E-Cat achieves a much higher COP than what we are seeing (so far) with Parkhomov’s test results. The catalyst might be required for that (for example by enhancing self-sustain mode).

        • As Aha

          no Пархомов said runs with less electric heating are possible just less stable, he gets thermal runaways faster then running with more electrical heating

    • Anon2012_2014

      The secret was the lithium I believe. No longer secret.

      • Omega Z

        Lithium is just 1 part of several pieces of the puzzle.

  • jousterusa

    In addition to all the other terrific things that are happening around the world, today’s New York Times posts a front-page article saying that “Biofuels are not the answer” to our environmental issues. I think this is a very powerful salient in our progress toward realizing the promise of cold fusion and the E-Cat. In many ways, it is none other than Andrea Rossi who has brought us to this critical juncture in human history, when we must decide if we will take what he has discovered and use it to reduce if not eliminate all the harmful toxins various forms of energy end up spewing into our air and oceans and waters, or if we will allow political indecision and special interests to chart their own deadly path to our future.

    Read i9 and weep – even with joy:

    http://tinyurl.com/njfvoas

    • Omega Z

      jousterus

      Corn is a feed stock- as in livestock feed. Using corn for ethanol is a net neutral.
      Without going into all the details, Using an amount of corn that would produce 50#’s of beef to produce alcohol, processing the mash & using it for feed will still produce about 50#’s of beef. This is what they do.

      In Reality, This should have negligible effects on food prices. In fact, what effects the food prices is cost shifting by the alcohol processors to make the cost of the alcohol look cheaper. Without this cost shifting, it could actually reduce the price of beef/meat of all types. At most, it should be neutral.

      Food production is energy intensive. If you were to replace that alcohol with Oil, Oil prices would increase & make all food costs increase substantially.

      That Said, I take issue with how they process the corn to alcohol. Their process uses the equivalent of 9 gallons of oil to get 10 gallons of alcohol. All you can claim is a 10% net gain. If these distilling plants were teamed up with existing power plants & merely used the waste heat, this could be an all around win win for everyone.

      No cost shifting would be necessary. This would reduce oil demand leading to cheaper fuel, cheaper food production & it is cleaner then straight gasoline burning. This was known in the 70’s and why industry took the route they did can only be chalked up to stupidity.

      Also, Using the waste heat path in a modified distilling process could have led to a 50% increase in alcohol per bushel of corn. 3 gallons+ verses 2 gallons in the present arrangement.

      I have to say that this is not the 1st great idea that someone came up with that was hijacked by intellectual Corporate nerds who turn it into a near nightmare. Now these people want to replace corn with switchgrass. Thus actually eliminating a food source. Total idiots.

      NOTE: According to a NASA study. If you used absolutely every source right down to the last blade of grass in the U.S., It would never replace more then 30% of our Oil needs.

      As to Gasohol, Yes, it still pollutes, but 2 ingredients that the alcohol replaces in gasoline are far more toxic, If not for the distilling process used, this would be a big positive.

      Other Biofuels actually have a negative impact on food costs. I.E, They cut into the food supply. Even using the corn stalks requires farmers to increase fertilizer use to compensate for the nutrient loss due to the corn stalk removal from the fields. This will lead to higher food cost.

      • Fortyniner

        Completely agreed. A full energy audit on all purpose-grown ‘biofuels’ including shipping timber and other ‘biomass’ around the world to feed power stations, invariably shows near neutrality at best, and a strong upward pressure on food prices. Just like the case for nuclear, biofuels don’t stand up to any close scrutiny.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/biofuels/10520736/The-great-biofuels-scandal.html

        About the only circumstances in which it does make sense is when waste materials such as farm waste, sewage solids or food manufacturing waste are processed (usually fermented using bacteria or algae) to produce methane or a liquid fuel.

        At the moment such processes tend to be slow because applying heat either reduces yield or increases cost, but of course, availability of even crude cold fusion reactors could change the economics quite quickly.

  • jousterusa

    In addition to all the other terrific things that are happening around the world, today’s New York Times posts a front-page article saying that “Biofuels are not the answer” to our environmental issues. I think this is a very powerful salient in our progress toward realizing the promise of cold fusion and the E-Cat. In many ways, it is none other than Andrea Rossi who has brought us to this critical juncture in human history, when we must decide if we will take what he has discovered and use it to reduce if not eliminate all the harmful toxins various forms of energy end up spewing into our air and oceans and waters, or if we will allow political indecision and special interests to chart their own deadly path to our future.

    Read iT and weep – even with joy:

    http://tinyurl.com/njfvoas

    • Omega Z

      jousterus

      Corn is a feed stock- as in livestock feed. Using corn for ethanol is a net neutral.
      Without going into all the details, Using an amount of corn that would produce 50#’s of beef to produce alcohol, processing the mash & using it for feed will still produce about 50#’s of beef. This is what they do.

      In Reality, This should have negligible effects on food prices. In fact, what effects the food prices is cost shifting by the alcohol processors to make the cost of the alcohol look cheaper. Without this cost shifting, it could actually reduce the price of beef/meat of all types. At most, it should be neutral.

      Food production is energy intensive. If you were to replace that alcohol with Oil, Oil prices would increase & make all food costs increase substantially.

      That Said, I take issue with how they process the corn to alcohol. Their process uses the equivalent of 9 gallons of oil to get 10 gallons of alcohol. All you can claim is a 10% net gain. If these distilling plants were teamed up with existing power plants & merely used the waste heat, this could be an all around win win for everyone.

      No cost shifting would be necessary. This would reduce oil demand leading to cheaper fuel, cheaper food production & it is cleaner then straight gasoline burning. This was known in the 70’s and why industry took the route they did can only be chalked up to stupidity.

      Also, Using the waste heat path in a modified distilling process could have led to a 50% increase in alcohol per bushel of corn. 3 gallons+ verses 2 gallons in the present arrangement.

      I have to say that this is not the 1st great idea that someone came up with that was hijacked by intellectual Corporate nerds who turn it into a near nightmare. Now these people want to replace corn with switchgrass. Thus actually eliminating a food source. Total idiots.

      NOTE: According to a NASA study. If you used absolutely every source right down to the last blade of grass in the U.S., It would never replace more then 30% of our Oil needs.

      As to Gasohol, Yes, it still pollutes, but 2 ingredients that the alcohol replaces in gasoline are far more toxic, If not for the distilling process used, this would be a big positive.

      Other Biofuels actually have a negative impact on food costs. I.E, They cut into the food supply. Even using the corn stalks requires farmers to increase fertilizer use to compensate for the nutrient loss due to the corn stalk removal from the fields. This will lead to higher food cost.

      • bachcole

        Corn should NOT be the livestock feed of choice. Bovine did not evolve eating corn. They evolved eating grass. Eating corn greatly lowers the Omega-3 fats in the meat (among other bad things). CAFO (Confined Animal Feeding Opperations) (vs free range) kill hundreds of thousands of human beings and harm millions of others every year and is the greatest cause of animal cruelty in the history of the world. It is a crime against God, nature, and the human race. And all of this just for the sake of the almighty dollar and human gluttony. A sedentary people do not need a lot of meat. I am not vegan and think that it is foolish, but I don’t move a lot and I don’t need a lot of meat, and neither do you. And since most of the meat that you are eating is killing you, you might want to consider eating less and eating more free range eggs, avocados, etc.

        • Omega Z

          1st., I eat relatively healthy. My early years was on a farm & you raised or grew most everything you ate. All the colors of the rainbow. Butchered our beef, pork & chicken. Fresh squeezed milk & eggs. Our fruits & veggies were canned. In quart mason jars or blanched & frozen. Our basic shopping list was sugar, flour & coffee & a few seasonings. I eat similar today how I ate then. A balanced meal. For me, meat is just part of a meal. Not the meal. Of course, most of my food is store bought today. I grow only a small garden. It’s a lot of work the old way. 🙂

          I agree, most people eat to much meat. Victims of the fat, I mean fast food society. Not an issue for me. I eat out maybe 3 or 4 times a year. IMO, any burger less then 85% lean should be banned.

          Livestock have been supplemented by grains for eons. Of course it wasn’t their primary food. Free range is becoming a rarity & where available usually requires 30 acres per cow for several years. One acre of corn brings a cow to market. I too would like to see more hay fed, but that is also limited & requires a lot of acreage per cow. It is low calorie food compared to corn.

          Hay production could be increased if the States & counties would allow hay crops in the greens along roadsides. It would save them a lot of money considering they mow it anyway. Let the farmer do it & even collect a small fee per bail. Note that cows have always eaten corn. Just not in it’s present hybrid cultivated selected breeding form today. Corn or Maze is a grass.

          Something you may find of interest. The traits in corn that promoted Omega-3 fatty acids in beef was only recently breed out of it within the last 100 years. It can be recovered if the seed companies made the effort. By back stepping to a more heirloom grade of corn plant.

          As to farmers attempting to maximize profit. Many times it’s about minimizing losses. This year many are hanging on to crops as long as possible storing them in grain bins. Hoping the price goes up. Ultimately, many will sell their crop for less then it cost to plant. Farming is a high health risk unforgiving business. Contrary what special interest groups say, Few farmers mistreat there animals. Given there are about 2 million farmers, you will have a few bad apples. Even then, it tends to be the hired help. In today’s wireless world, they should have cameras everywhere to keep an eye on them.

          • bachcole

            Thank you for that. I thought that I was a healthy eater until the pain started to happen, and I became radicalised.

            It sounds like you think that I am proposing a public policy solution to our food and health problems. I am not. I am proposing that each individual make informed and intelligent choices that are right for them, and then farmers and markets and social policies will have to adjust. I am simply doing some of the informing, and if no politician or journalist reads my comments, I couldn’t care less.

            For all of you fellow cold fusion vanguards, when the pain starts, don’t think that it is inevitable or just a natural part of ageing. I stopped the pain by getting radical about my diet, increasing my antioxidants and enzymes greatly, etc. etc. etc.

          • Omega Z

            “It sounds like you think that I am proposing a public policy solution to our food and health problems.”

            No, Not at all. Not Once have I seen a post from you that says people have to eat this or that. Only suggestions. That’s why I’m aware that your not a Vegan.
            They tend to Demand that we all become vegan.
            I’m not aware of any Non Vegans demanding they eat meat tho I’m sure a few have thought about forcing some down their throat because of their antagonistic ways. “Not me of Course :-)”

            One of my issues is the fat content of burger. We actually need fat to be healthy-even some of the bad type- But 15% is plenty with today’s life style. 30% was so 100 years ago when food was scarcer & our activity levels were much higher.

            My Achilles heel is sugar. When I was younger, my metabolism would burn right thru it, But I’m older & slower today. I need to get serious about reducing it.

          • bachcole

            I agree 100% with everything that you said.

      • Completely agreed. A full energy audit on all purpose-grown ‘biofuels’ including shipping timber and other ‘biomass’ around the world to feed power stations, invariably shows near neutrality at best, and a strong upward pressure on food prices. Just like the case for nuclear, biofuels don’t stand up to any close scrutiny.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/biofuels/10520736/The-great-biofuels-scandal.html

        About the only circumstances in which it does make sense is when waste materials such as farm waste, sewage solids or food manufacturing waste are processed (usually fermented using bacteria or algae) to produce methane or a liquid fuel.

        At the moment such processes tend to be slow because applying heat either reduces yield when product is burned to drive the process, or increases cost, but of course, availability of even crude cold fusion reactors could change the economics quite quickly.

  • Евгений Максимов

    hair stood on end.
    it is not science, this show
    sorry for bad English

    • pg

      ?????

      • RyuMaster

        pg, the problem with Alexander Parkhomov report is that we do not have any isotope shifts, no fuel analysis. hydrogen reaction is the most energy-sufficient in nature, so its very likely that we are looking at nuclear-molecular hydrogen burning, not lenr. That is also why Parkhomov was accepted skeptically by russian underground lenr community. Евгений Максимов is one of those, he is 9+ years in the field, and claims that lenr reactions have lots of additional details we witness when we really do have them running. Anyway, this is in no other way compromises Alexander Parkhomov report,he did a honest work on his personal little money he has, just actual impact of lenr is very questionable in here.

        • Евгений Максимов

          Константин, приветствую!:)
          thank you enormous:)

          • rats123

            Can you please contact Parkhomov and find out what is really going on?

          • Евгений Максимов

            contact Parkhomov, alexparh@mail.ru

        • chris

          See my comment above

      • Евгений Максимов

        I am watch video attentively, improper data on an experiment, unprofessionally absolute. Very much errors

  • I would find it more interesting to see a peer reviewed paper of his study in a famous russian journal.

  • Josh G

    I believe MFMP is going to visit him at the end of February. I am guessing they are going to do a live test while there…

  • Gerrit
  • pg

    ?????

  • Gerrit

    [OT] ignorant journalists alert http://www.standard.net/Business/2015/01/28/Top-journals-crack-down-to-deter-scientific-fraud.html

    This was also published in the Washington Post

  • Navdrew

    See: http://www.sciencepublishinggroup.com/journal/paperinfo.aspx?journalid=10.11648/j.ijrse.s.2015040401.11 Rossi’s comment on the article: “I am really delighted

    of the fact that the work of our team is useful in the world”

  • Navdrew
    • GreenWin

      Navdrew, HERE is the abstract’s first two sentences written in better English:

      “During the [Lugano] E-CAT test run “hidden” energy
      in the form of a large quantity of heat is observed. Based on the principle of conservation of
      energy and from the well known nuclear fusion and fission reactions, we surmise that the E-CAT hidden
      energy may be due to proton and neutron binding of Nickel and Lithium atomic
      nuclei.”

      Journals such as these should be sure to have a fluent English writer review their work prior to publication. Clarity is very important in the abstract and body of any published article.

      • GreenWin

        HERE it is again — hopefully with unbroken formatting:

        “During the [Lugano] E-CAT test run “hidden” energy in the form of a large quantity of heat is observed. Based on the principle of conservation of energy and from the well known nuclear fusion and fission reactions, we surmise that the E-CAT hidden energy may be due to proton and neutron binding of Nickel and Lithium atomic nuclei.”

  • Omega Z

    Parkhomov appears to be on the right path. What he has done is not yet conclusive. More needs to be done before we know anything for sure.

  • Omega Z

    “So why one plant at a time when that plant was supposedly market ready more than 3 years ago?”

    Apparently, it wasn’t as ready as Rossi thought. In fact Rossi has implied reactor redesign even in this pilot plant.
    You don’t produce multiple plants until you work the issues in the pilot plant. Having many plants in operation with issues can become a whack a mole experience.

    Wait until the Hot cats are ready for industrial use.
    When even retrofitting an existing power plant may take 2 or 3 years.
    Not kidding. Elon Musk’s Mega battery plant from breaking ground to ready for production will take 3 years. “If All Goes Well???”

    This will all take much longer then many here at ECW realize.

  • Omega Z

    There is nothing for Parkhomov to keep secret.
    What he is using is all revealed in the TIP report. He merely has the experiance, skills & ability to make good use of what was published.

    I find it likely he has been following Rossi’s work studying the E-cat far longer then just from the time of 2nd TIP report.

  • Omega Z

    Nobel prize is for the living. It can’t be given posthumously.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Yes Max, Piantelli is a great scientist and in retrospect it does seem that cut and dry but all I know is that the “Please, May I have a cup of tea?” jokes that we put up with since 1989 came to an abrupt end when the
    E-Cat came on the scene. It forced the patent department to take notice. It
    paved the way for all the LENR researchers (including Piantelli).

  • chris

    If you assume all weight of fuel is hydrogen (which it isn’t) there would be 1g of hydrogen which is 1 mole of monatomic hydrogen or 0.5 mole of molecular hydrogen gas. The formation enthalpy of a h-o bond is 463kJ/mol. Assuming lattice is full of monatomic hydrogen to be conservative. 2 moles of monatomic hydrogen would react with 1/2 mole of O2 to form 1mole of water. This requires breaking 1/2 mole of O2 bonds (0.5*499=249.5kJ) and forming 2 h-o bonds per mole (2*-463=-926kJ). The total energy give out is -676.5kJ for 2 moles of monatomic hydrogen, but we only had 1 so it is -338.25kJ. The last part of parkhomov’s experiment ran for 40 minutes, so 338250J/(40*60)=141watts. This is a lot less than parkhomovs experiments and I think this reaction is one of the most energy dense known to man, so please no one else suggest that it is a chemical hydrogen reaction.

  • LCD

    But it’s not replication if he doesn’t know all the details. This is not so straight forward right?

  • Omega Z

    I don’t have a link at hand, but there may be a link in an ECW thread back around August. Rossi/IH had put a 2 or 3 month hold on it at that time probably in anticipation of the Lugano TIP report.

    It has been in additional ECW threads far back, but I wouldn’t venture a guess as to a time frame. Note there are 2 applications. One in the U.S. & one in Europe.

    There’s indications additional patents have been filed(reactor devices) by IH/Rossi since Industrial Heat bought his technology, but probably not publicly accessible as of yet. They usually aren’t published until 18 months after submission.

  • bkrharold

    I just noticed an article on the nextbigfuture site.

    http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/01/2015-could-be-year-of-lenr-breakout-and.html

    It is very positive. Ecat readers will be familiar with the contents.

  • bkrharold

    I just noticed an article on the nextbigfuture site.

    http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/01/2015-could-be-year-of-lenr-breakout-and.html

    It is very positive. Ecat readers will be familiar with the contents.