MFMP Testing Plans Disrupted by Equipment Failure

UPDATE – Feb 4th: The Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project’s testing plans for today have been disrupted by a major equipment failure:

Here’s a post from the MFMP Facebook Page:

“Move fast and break things. Unless you are breaking stuff, you are not moving fast enough.” — Mark Zukerberg
AAARRRGGHH!!! We did not intend to take this inspirational quote so seriously. The Optris thermal camera is dead. It apparently died in the same event that took out the broadcast computer. Once we got another computer set up, we found the camera would not talk. Then we plugged it into two other computers we had tested it with previously. No go. A mouse and at least one web cam seem to be dead as well. Needless to say, we are disappointed and this will change our plans even more. Stay tuned”.

Feb 2nd: I’ve just received a YouTube link to the live test they will be carrying out today.

Here’s the description from the YT video:

“In this first Lugano verification experiment – we will be trying to test the validity of the thermal assessment by Calibration with Thermocouples, emissivity spots, Optris camera, and Williamson Pyrometer.”

Direct link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/embed/0DY4TJmCJS8

  • ecatworld

    Feed is live now.

  • Frank Acland

    Feed is live now.

  • Sanjeev

    Another successful replication ?
    Can someone make sense of this article by Peter?

    How I have replicated hot cat once
    http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2015/02/how-i-have-replicated-hot-cat-once.html

    • Timar

      Mr. Gluck has a special kind of humour. In the articles he tells about a dream he had the night before in which he successfully replicated the Hot Cat 😉

      • Sanjeev

        I see. His blogs are informative but difficult to read sometimes.

    • artefact

      I think he discribes just a daydream: “Note. During my nightmares my brain is connected directly to the Internet, I can read my posts and answer to them or search the Web and speak Skype – a performance that will become possible in real life only in 2028.
      I have no great problems with sleeping just with the dreams”

    • peter gluck

      Dear Sanjeev,

      It has sense, you will see. It is about the following idea:
      – temperature is the trigger of the excess heat phenomenon – it starts
      at 1100- 1200 C;
      – it is NOT relevant how the HotCat is heated up to that critical temperature,
      – electrical heating has some problems at such high temperatures , is also alow,
      – it is an alternative possibility I describe immersing the cat in hot molten metal
      a good heat transfer agent (molten tin is used worldwide in the huge float glass induustry)
      – the method is – in principle- differentiating fast between active and inactive Cats;
      We have the method used at Lugano- very complex- the MFMP boys are heroically trying to make it more understandable and reliable; we have Parkhomov’s method thta has opened the way to calorimetry and has shown that yes! it is excess heat and this molen metal immersion is just another possibility.
      I am a technologist (have taught managers Management of Technology) and I think LENR has to learn and be inspired by many technologies as in this case glass float and investment castings.
      greetings,
      Peter- and ask me if you have problems with what or how I write

      • doug marker

        Thanks for that summary Peter, clear to me. DSM

      • Sanjeev

        Peter thanks a lot for your clear explanation. Yes other heating methods are possible.
        English is not my first language so sometimes I take the poetic text as real 😀

        • peter gluck

          My fault- it was too oneiric, however I was so enthusiastic remembering my admiration for the Pilkington technology that was created in the years when I was at the Polytechnic (1954-1959). Why do not use an element of it for LENR? It fits the problem so well! You can write me in your first language too.
          Privet (have I guessed it?)
          Peter

          • Sanjeev

            Sure, I will write to you, if there is any question etc. You are doing a very good work. Thanks for your efforts to keep us informed.

  • Private Citizen

    Maybe some member of the MFMP team not actively involved with the hardware could supply color commentary for the video?

    Would be nice to know what is happening at the moment–what is the state of affairs and what is the goal or expected outcome. I know they are busy, but part of the job is informing the public.

    • artefact

      Normaly Bob gives an overview from time to time.

  • Private Citizen

    Maybe some member of the MFMP team not actively involved with the hardware could supply color commentary for the video?

    Would be nice to know what is happening at the moment–what is the state of affairs and what is the goal or expected outcome. I know they are busy, but part of the job is informing the public.

    • artefact

      Normaly Bob gives an overview from time to time.

  • ecatworld

    apprve

    • Timar

      Is this heavy moderation really necessary? It is sometimes kind of annoying that it takes so long for my comments to appear. This time it didn’t work because you produced a typo 😉

  • Timar

    I wish the stream was HD. Well, the resultion of the stream is, but the content feed to the stream by the MFMP unfortunately is not. Makes it impossible to read any of the figures.

    • Ged

      I think they are limited by their slow DSL, sadly.

  • Frank Acland
  • Chris the 2nd

    They seem to be having the same trouble some of Rossi’s tester had in the past, getting dodgy readings for power.

  • Chris the 2nd

    They seem to be having the same trouble some of Rossi’s tester had in the past, getting dodgy readings for power.

  • Timar

    They have a serious issue with their ammeter readings.

  • Sanjeev

    I see. His blogs are informative but difficult to read sometimes.

  • Chris the 2nd

    Quote “There’s no way we are getting 800watts into that”

    This really is a demonstration of how the team early on trying to test Rossi’s device could have been getting it wrong.

    At least MFMP are recognising that the readings are clearly wrong.

  • Chris the 2nd

    Quote “There’s no way we are getting 800watts into that”

    This really is a demonstration of how the team early on trying to test Rossi’s device could have been getting it wrong.

    At least MFMP are recognising that the readings are clearly wrong.

  • bachcole

    Let me know when they get excess heat. I suppose there is something deeply disturbed about me, but I just am not interested in the details of the technology. (:->)

    • Ged

      On the other hand, it’s very good to see the camera constantly running near the b-type between it and the k-type. Shows the camera method is at least not completely different, and so far accurate (or at least consistent with other methods) up to their latest screenshot near 500 C. Important details for Lugano.

    • artefact

      Tomorrow.. maybe. Today is only a test of the equipment.

      • Ged

        And a test of the control… And if they get the mock heater running, a test verification of the power necessary to give a 1400 C reading at the surface measured by the camera (as well as what it looks like visually). Very important details for evaluating Lugano.

      • bachcole

        Thank you, artefact and Ged. Keep me posted. It seems like Bob Greenyer is so into the details that he forgot to mention that. Or, Bob threw so many details at me that I stopped reading. (:->)

        Please keep me posted of any important developments.

  • Chris the 2nd

    Looks like it’s been fixed, phew

  • Chris the 2nd

    Looks like it’s been fixed, phew

  • Ged

    I think they are limited by their slow DSL, sadly.

  • Ged

    On the other hand, it’s very good to see the camera constantly running near the b-type between it and the k-type. Shows the camera method is at least not completely different, and so far accurate (or at least consistent with other methods) up to where I last checked at 500 C. Important details for Lugano ;).

    • Bob Greenyer

      Our streaming computer went down

      Will re-launch asap.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Even before the computer went down, there were problems with the data at hugnetlab. It was not updated regularly – as in some of the previous tests. Thanks, anyway, for the great show!

  • artefact

    Tomorrow.. maybe. Today is only a test of the equipment.

    • Ged

      And a test of the control… And if they get the mock heater running, a test verification of the power necessary to give a 1400 C reading at the surface measured by the camera (as well as what it looks like visually). Very important details for evaluating Lugano.

    • bachcole

      Thank you, artefact and Ged. Keep me posted. It seems like Bob Greenyer is so into the details that he forgot to mention that. Or, Bob threw so many details at me that I stopped reading. (:->)

      Please keep me posted of any important developments.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Our streaming computer went down

    Will re-launch asap.

    • Timar

      Thanks. Yust to let you know: there were people on the Google Hangout trying to create a user account on quantumheat.org for donation and commenting but were unable to do so as an attempt to register a new account brings up an error message.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Hi Timar, Thanks, we will have to look into that later.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Even before the computer went down, there were problems with the data at hugnetlab. It was not updated regularly – as in some of the previous tests. Thanks, anyway, for the great show!

    • LookMoo

      Use Linux next time (ubuntu). There is a reason why critical equipment in air planes and cars increasingly use Linux variants as OS..

  • artefact
    • artefact

      Yes Bob. Could’t wait. Found the link via youtube..

  • artefact
    • artefact

      Yes Bob. Could’t wait. Found the link via youtube..

  • JedRothwell

    Umm . . . This is a trivial thing but you spelled “calibration” wrong on the YouTube screen. It is unprofessional. It may be too late to fix.

    “Lugano Thermal Verification – Caibration”

    • Bob Greenyer

      Bob Higgins spotted that first

      For consistency, it will always be spelt incorrectly for this day, every time it occurs. Apply an offset as necessary.

      • JedRothwell

        A bias, if you will.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I’d prefer to call it an impartial correction!

  • webscience

    Good luck tomorrow!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Alan Goldwater’s Colour Calibrator

      []=Project Dog Bone=[]

      Here is a video of the colour calibrator we will be testing later. It has four hot zones each with a thermocouple, spot of 0.95 emissivity high temperature matt paint and a dab of the castable alumina we use on the dog bones.

      http://youtu.be/zG3rag-Xd_A

  • Webscience

    Good luck tomorrow!

  • Webscience

    I was wondering how many people were/are watching the youtube streams and saw something strange: how can a video have 7 likes, and no views?
    Advanced mathematics, I guess…

    • Ged

      Youtube does weird things sometimes. It used to always get stuck at 301 views for along periods of time on really popular videos. Afterall, you are viewing it right there and then and somehow Youtube hasn’t noticed… Unless you are a cyber ninja… Are you a cyber ninja?! You read it here first, folks! Webofscience is a diabolical cyber ninja here to slice all our cyber fruits!

    • The likes are probably more immediate than the views. I’ve noticed a big lag when it comes to analytics .

  • JedRothwell

    So, it is over? The video feed has cut off.

    It sure is a lot of work doing an experiment.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Video feed is working fine on my location. They are still at it.

      It is a lot of work indeed. Huge respect for the guys doing this.

      • JedRothwell

        The video here ends with them saying they are turning off, and they will have another in a few hours:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxTos11fcs8

        • Ged

          Maybe the mock core is next? It is in the time line for today, but they’ve been going at it for awhile now.

          I do hope they do the mock core today, or at least tomorrow before the fuel test, as it can really tell us a lot about the fueled Lugano experiment and what we should expect when seeing excess heat.

          • Timar

            There’s a timeline for this week. The 3rd test today is the “Assessment of Alan’s calibrated alumina temperature sources”

            I think it would be a good idea if Frank posted this timeline here. Otherwise most readers won’t know that the active run is scheduled for tommorow unless they stop by here by chance when it is running and posted.

            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/446-dogbone-week-live-now

          • Ged

            The mock test I’m referring to is “Test 2: Fat coil dog bone with internal heat source”, scheduled for today. It’s just getting late there, so not sure if they’ll have time to do #2 tonight or not, is what I was musing about.

          • Frank Acland

            I have posted the timeline in a separate thread (http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/03/mfmps-project-dog-bone-thread-update-1-first-test-on-dummy-core/), and will open a dedicated thread to the fueled core experiment when it begins.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          Huh, was right before I went to sleep, so I didn’t realize I was looking at a replay. Clearly I needed the sleep 😉

      • Timar

        You are probably not watching the live stream but the recording. If you don’t see a “live” sign at the bottom but a time bar, it is not live.

  • Ged

    Youtube does weird things sometimes. It used to always get stuck at 301 views for along periods of time on really popular videos. Afterall, you are viewing it right there and then and somehow Youtube hasn’t noticed… Unless you are a cyber ninja… Are you a cyber ninja?! You read it here first, folks! Webofscience is a diabolical cyber ninja here to slice all our cyber fruits!

  • Ged

    Well, with this first round done, we can see the camera gets no where near 1400 C at a 900 W input. Still hotter than the other methods (about 100 C higher than the pyrometer and the B-type).

    Interestingly, looking at the pictures in the Google folder, specifically DB-Calibration_4.jpg, area 5 is 433.6 C at 200 W input, while in the Lugano report on page 17, area 5 is 454.3 C at 318 W input or so.

    So, it seems the MFMP camera is running about 100 C hotter per 100 W (? need to check the accuracy of that comparison better) than the Lugano dummy run, which is in agreement with the MFMP camera also being ~100 C higher than the B-type and the Williamson.

  • Ged

    Well, with this first round done, we can see the camera gets no where near 1400 C at a 900 W input. Still hotter than the other methods (about 100 C higher than the pyrometer and the B-type).

    Interestingly, looking at the pictures in the Google folder, specifically DB-Calibration_4.jpg, area 5 is 433.6 C at 200 W input, while in the Lugano report on page 17, area 5 is 454.3 C at 318 W input or so.

    So, it seems the MFMP camera is running about 100 C hotter per 100 W (? need to check the accuracy of that comparison better) than the Lugano dummy run, which is in agreement with the MFMP camera also being ~100 C higher than the B-type and the Williamson.

    Edit: The 100 C higher than B-type and Williamson is at the much higher input powers though. So the comparisons are a bit messy to think about without a nice graph curve. Aka, take the relationships of these observations with a grain of salt–mostly thinking out loud here.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Alan Goldwater’s Colour Calibrator

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Here is a video of the colour calibrator we will be testing later. It has four hot zones each with a thermocouple, spot of 0.95 emissivity high temperature matt paint and a dab of the castable alumina we use on the dog bones.

    http://youtu.be/zG3rag-Xd_A

  • Bob Greenyer

    We will be testing the “fat coil” Dog Bone next with a dummy core to see what photos look like, to see if we can see the “core” through the rests of the reactor.

    The “fat coil” will be driven by the United Automation controller through a transformer, as it needs very low volts and high amps. The inner “dummy core” coil will be driven by the variac. We might see if the PCE830 can monitor the power on both.

    • Ged

      Awesome guys! Very much looking forward to seeing what this looks like and what results you get for the power in.

    • Gerard McEk

      Bob, your dogbone looks exactly like the hot cat, well done! Did you make it yourself or can you order it somewhere, or partly?
      I evidently missed something: What is the ‘fat coil’? Why do you have both the dummy core coil and the fat coil and what is the difference between the two (apart from the resistance)? Temperature resistance?
      Will you continue your test today without the life feed, if need to be?
      Thanks to the team for your hard work, hope you will succeed!

  • Bob Greenyer

    We will be testing the “fat coil” Dog Bone next with a dummy core to see what photos look like, to see if we can see the “core” through the rests of the reactor.

    The “fat coil” will be driven by the United Automation controller through a transformer, as it needs very low volts and high amps. The inner “dummy core” coil will be driven by the variac. We might see if the PCE830 can monitor the power on both.

    • Ged

      Awesome guys! Very much looking forward to seeing what this looks like and what results you get for the power in.

    • Gerard McEk

      Bob, your dogbone looks exactly like the hot cat, well done! Did you make it yourself or can you order it somewhere, or partly?
      I evidently missed something: What is the ‘fat coil’? Why do you have both the dummy core coil and the fat coil and what is the difference between the two (apart from the resistance)? Temperature resistance?
      Will you continue your test today without the life feed, if need to be?
      Thanks to the team for your hard work, hope you will succeed!

  • ecatworld

    I have posted the timeline in a separate thread (http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/03/mfmps-project-dog-bone-thread-update-1-first-test-on-dummy-core/), and will open a dedicated thread to the fueled core experiment when it begins.

  • The likes are probably more immediate than the views. I’ve noticed a big lag when it comes to analytics .

  • Sanjeev

    So how does the emissivity curve look like ? Has anyone plotted it ?

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Very important question. With different emissivities, the temperature/power ratios would not be comparable to those of the Lugano report. At least, one would have to redo the math…

      • Gerard McEk

        Andreas, I have read the LiHn metalic hydrogen paper you recommended to me. Was a bit too heavy for me, but the conclusion was interesting. Has super conductivity already been measured on LiHn?
        Just a question about that other article about liquid H2 on the sun surface: Apart from the high temperature, making it unlikely, also the sun’s mass would be much more. How it that explained? Is Lithium a part of the explanation?
        Thanks, Gerard

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Hi Gerard. I’m anything but an expert, so I can only provide some links. In this paper http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.21.1748 (no full text available), HT-superconductivity of metallic hydrogen is considered possible. BCS theory of superconductivity refers to Cooper pairs of electrons, but I don’t know how their formation at high temperatures is justified in this special case.

          The relatively high average density (and therefore mass) of the sun is usually explained by the extreme pressures inside. While gas or plasma is compressible, liquid metallic hydrogen would resist compression – see p. 9 of Robtaille’s paper http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2011/PP-26-07.PDF . So it might be possible that his theory is consistent with the known data on the sun’s mass and diameter. I guess that Pekka knows the theory of Robtaille, he could tell you much more about it.

          Here is some additional stuff: http://vixra.org/author/pierre-marie_robitaille .

          • Andreas Moraitis

            By the way: According to the paper you mention, lithium facilitates the metallization of hydrogen. As far as I remember, the postulated metallic LiHn is described as a solid – so it is difficult to say what would happen in the liquid phase.

  • Sanjeev

    So how does the emissivity vs temperature curve look like ? Has anyone plotted it ?

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Very important question. With different emissivities, the temperature/power ratios would not be comparable to those of the Lugano report. At least, one would have to redo the math…

      • Gerard McEk

        Andreas, I have read the LiHn metalic hydrogen paper you recommended to me. Was a bit too heavy for me, but the conclusion was interesting. Has super conductivity already been measured on LiHn?
        Just a question about that other article about liquid H2 on the sun surface: Apart from the high temperature, making it unlikely, also the sun’s mass would be much more. How it that explained? Is Lithium a part of the explanation?
        Thanks, Gerard

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Hi Gerard. I’m anything but an expert, so I can only provide some links. In this paper http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.21.1748 (no full text available), HT-superconductivity of metallic hydrogen is considered possible. BCS theory of superconductivity refers to Cooper pairs of electrons, but I don’t know how their formation at high temperatures is justified in this special case.

          The relatively high average density (and therefore mass) of the sun is usually explained by the extreme pressures inside. While gas or plasma is compressible, liquid metallic hydrogen would resist compression – see p. 9 of Robtaille’s paper http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2011/PP-26-07.PDF . So it might be possible that his theory is consistent with the known data on the sun’s mass and diameter. I guess that Pekka knows the theory of Robtaille, he could tell you much more about it.

          Here is some additional stuff: http://vixra.org/author/pierre-marie_robitaille .

          • Andreas Moraitis

            By the way: According to the paper you mention, lithium facilitates the metallization of hydrogen. As far as I remember, the postulated metallic LiHn is described as a solid – so it is difficult to say what would happen in the liquid phase.

  • Josh G

    MFMP Facebook page says the motherboard on the computer running their live stream shorted out…hope to have it up and running again soon. Good luck guys!!

  • Josh G

    MFMP Facebook page says the motherboard on the computer running their live stream shorted out…hope to have it up and running again soon. Good luck guys!!

  • ecatworld

    “In the morning we will prepare fuelled cores whilst we are waiting for a new means to broadcast.”

  • Frank Acland

    “In the morning we will prepare fuelled cores whilst we are waiting for a new means to broadcast.”

  • Dan F

    Hi, anyone knows what time MFMP will start steaming? Also what timezone they are in. Thnx

  • Will MFMP conduct the fuel-test anyway, however the mainboard crashed and we don’t have a live stream?

  • Will MFMP conduct the fuel-test anyway, although the mainboard crashed and we don’t have a live stream?

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have a new laptop and are configuring it right now for the next test but it appears that the event that took out the broadcast computer, also took out the Optris, not good.

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have a new laptop and are configuring it right now for the next test but it appears that the event that took out the broadcast computer, also took out the Optris, not good.

  • Bob Greenyer

    The optris is dead.

    • EEStorFanFibb

      not to kook out on you Bob, but how secure is your lab from malicious cyber attacks?

    • Jarea1

      What does it mean? Can we continue with test or not?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We are continuing other tests

        We have also prepared some reactors.

    • Can you do the fuel test anyway? And measure if you get excess heat?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We will try tomorrow.

    • Ged

      Dang, that sucks… What a kick in the head. Is it the cabling that fried, or the actual device?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We think (and hope) it is just the in-camera USB communication board. The guy from Optris suspected this. USB controllers are quite susceptible to a surge.

    • Sanjeev

      If its under warranty, optris should be able to repair it.

      Usually such instruments have a separate power supply brick (like in a laptop) and are not connected to the wall directly. At least they have a fuse.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Optris were great about it. The camera has to go back anyway next week, we’ll get an answer in time.

    • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

      Ugh. So it was going back anyway. Hopefully, you won’t be held responsible. Stray voltages on the frame, eh? Something not grounded. Folks, we are lucky this only took out a computer and the Optris! Something that could fry a computer, and probably the camera through a data cable, isn’t just a little ground noise that could whack some measurements. It would be very dangerous.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We are without Optris, but we got some great data.

        We are now testing the “Glow through” question right now

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes, we are lucky. Thanks for your concern.

  • Bob Greenyer

    The optris is dead.

    • not to kook out on you Bob, but how secure is your lab from malicious cyber attacks?

      • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

        This wasn’t a “cyber attack.” However, if someone could get access to the power entry for the building, they could dump a power surge through it that could take out any sensitive equipment. Much equipment is built to handle such surges, but some isn’t.

    • Jarea

      What does it mean? Can we continue with test or not?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We are continuing other tests

        We have also prepared some reactors.

    • clovis ray

      oh,no, any chance of repairing it, I know it’s early, hope you don’t have to send it back, but it might be the best in order to have it back fast. I was just wondering ,if there might have been a gamma, or some other type radiation in possibly a burst, that could have zapped your lappie, or pc,

    • Can you do the fuel test anyway? And measure if you get excess heat?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We will try tomorrow.

    • Ged

      Dang, that sucks… What a kick in the head. Is it the cabling that fried, or the actual device?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We think (and hope) it is just the in-camera USB communication board. The guy from Optris suspected this. USB controllers are quite susceptible to a surge.

    • Sanjeev

      If its under warranty, optris should be able to repair it.

      Usually such instruments have a separate power supply brick (like in a laptop) and are not connected to the wall directly. At least they have a fuse.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Optris were great about it. The camera has to go back anyway next week, we’ll get an answer in time.

    • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

      Ugh. So it was going back anyway. Hopefully, you won’t be held responsible. Stray voltages on the frame, eh? Something not grounded. Folks, we are lucky this only took out a computer and the Optris! Something that could fry a computer, and probably the camera through a data cable, isn’t just a little ground noise that could whack some measurements. It would be very dangerous.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We are without Optris, but we got some great data.

        We are now testing the “Glow through” question right now

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes, we are lucky. Thanks for your concern.

  • Gerard McEk

    That’s a pitty guys.
    Maybe you can use the Parkhomov method for the time being? A few pans a bit of water and ready you are…
    I hope you can repair the instruments soon.
    Good luck!

    • Bob Greenyer

      We have built some *GlowSticks* and will fuel them tomorrow.

  • Gerard McEk

    That’s a pitty guys.
    Maybe you can use the Parkhomov method for the time being? A few pans a bit of water and ready you are…
    I hope you can repair the instruments soon.
    Good luck!

    • Bob Greenyer

      We have built some *GlowSticks* and will fuel them tomorrow.

  • Freethinker

    It’s too bad, as these devices do not grow on trees…

    Hope it is fixable, and the core of the Optris was not damaged, but rather a fuse, or equivalent, inexpensive circuit component, was fried.

    My fingers are X-ed, guys.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Freethinker.

      We think we explored the main question from Lugano regarding the thermal assessment and will run another test relating to this tomorrow.

  • Freethinker

    It’s too bad, as these devices do not grow on trees…

    Hope it is fixable, and the core of the Optris was not damaged, but rather a fuse, or equivalent, inexpensive circuit component, was fried.

    My fingers are X-ed, guys.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Freethinker.

      We think we explored the main question from Lugano regarding the thermal assessment and will run another test relating to this tomorrow.

  • Anon2012_2014

    Guys,

    Sounds like you had some kind of a surge, lightning strike, or a brownout that took out your computers. Or a static electricity discharge. I am assuming that this all happened when you were running a calibration test, i.e. it can’t be the experiment itself.

    My suggestion would be to invest in some low capacity un-interruptable power supplies that will condition your power regardless of the external surge/brownout that evidently happened. There is clearly something wrong with the power coming out of the wall socket in your lab — and it is cheaper (maybe $1000 in total) to invest a few hundred bucks than to go through this repair fire drill again.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Whatever the event was, we think it came via the frame, through the Optris Cameras metal case and through its USB lead.

      The replacement computer is a laptop, it is on a surge protector and everything in sight is grounded.

  • Jarea1

    Please MFMP team don´t give up and please contract a good insurance for the equipment we cannot let this things to stop us from the discovery!!!!

  • Jarea

    Please MFMP team don´t give up and please contract a good insurance for the equipment we cannot let this things to stop us from the discovery!!!!

  • Otto1923

    Jeez. I wonder if rossis team knows enough to use surge protectors. Or to build a gadget with actual functioning powder in it.

    • GreenWin

      These experiments should use a regulated supply via a mains isolation transformer. This would eliminate most grid fluctuations, leaving tech like Active Denial Systems — EM pulses at 95GHz — able to burn out cameras and computers.

  • Bob Greenyer

    DB Glowiness…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    We are back up and running, with a test designed to answer three questions.

    1. How much power can we get into a dog bone
    2. do we see the dummy core “glowing” through this dog bones “fat coil” on standard photos
    3. with a “fat coil” are the internal and external temperatures closer

    http://youtu.be/O6m884fr198

    The snapshot folder is

    https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bz7lTfqkED9WfmZIbTIxekRobFUtMFBvZkJDU3J6WEdCLU4ySXZCa2N0eEo5dVdETVNKaEk&usp=sharing

    • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

      so no powder test today?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We are preparing cores.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Not today. We do hope to do one tomorrow.

    • Sanjeev

      Can you do the current clamp reversal trick today and see what the PCE display is like ?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We did that today (by accident) on the Dog Bone with the dummy core. It is on the recording of the live feed. It just produced a negative reading as previously reported by another party for that phase. We swapped it round and all was good.

        • Ged

          So not a numerical error; or at least one one wouldn’t notice, but a straight up negative? Interesting too, thank you for the info.

        • Sanjeev

          For single phase it will just show a negative reading with phase angle of 180.
          You will need a 3 phase delta connected load to see what reversal of one of the clamp does. If you remember this was a major criticism of the report.
          So I guess it will need a small setup to check it.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You are right.

    • Ged

      Thank you for this data! Interesting indeed. Can definitely see shadows of the coils in the pictures posted, until it gets too bright and saturates the cam. Seems things only got pushed up to 1 kW input, with temps near 1000 C? That is interesting in and of itself. Was it a failure of components, or just decided to stop there? Guess I just gotta be patient and wait for the write-up, but it’s so fun chewing on this data like a dog with a bone.

  • Bob Greenyer

    DB Glowiness…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    We are back up and running, with a test designed to answer three questions.

    1. How much power can we get into a dog bone
    2. do we see the dummy core “glowing” through this dog bones “fat coil” on standard photos
    3. with a “fat coil” are the internal and external temperatures closer

    http://youtu.be/O6m884fr198

    The snapshot folder is

    https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bz7lTfqkED9WfmZIbTIxekRobFUtMFBvZkJDU3J6WEdCLU4ySXZCa2N0eEo5dVdETVNKaEk&usp=sharing

    • NCY

      so no powder test today?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We are preparing cores.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Not today. We do hope to do one tomorrow.

    • Sanjeev

      Can you do the current clamp reversal trick today and see what the PCE display is like ?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We did that today (by accident) on the Dog Bone with the dummy core. It is on the recording of the live feed. It just produced a negative reading as previously reported by another party for that phase. We swapped it round and all was good.

        • Ged

          So not a numerical error; or at least not one one wouldn’t notice, but a straight up negative? Interesting too, thank you for the info.

        • Sanjeev

          For single phase it will just show a negative reading with phase angle of 180.
          You will need a 3 phase delta connected load to see what reversal of one of the clamp does. If you remember this was a major criticism of the report.
          So I guess it will need a small setup to check it.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You are right.

    • Ged

      Thank you for this data! Interesting indeed. Can definitely see shadows of the coils in the pictures posted, until it gets too bright and saturates the cam. Seems things only got pushed up to 1 kW input, with temps near 1000 C? That is interesting in and of itself. Was it a failure of components, or just decided to stop there? Guess I just gotta be patient and wait for the write-up, but it’s so fun chewing on this data like a dog with a bone.

  • Mitchell Swartz mentioned a large pile of burnt out (expensive) electronic equipment. Seems the nature of the beast.

  • Mitchell Swartz mentioned a large pile of burnt out (expensive) electronic equipment. Seems the nature of the beast.

  • Bob Greenyer

    DB Glowiness part 2 – SiC

    We are currently warming up the Silicon Carbide Element, driving off the water. The resistance has dropped from a virgin 9.8 Ohms (22.2ºC) to 4.88 Ohms (170ºC).

    http://youtu.be/mfLQPmeFxvk

  • Mr. Moho

    It looks like their microphone failed too.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Sorry, the I unplugged the camera that was providing the Audio as it was playing up. I will make sure the Audio is coming from the main camera tomorrow. The Glowiness Part 2 SiC video was where we were just “baking out” the SiC element (which we have left on overnight). Tomorrow we will run it up to temperature and calibrate it.