Rossi Responds to Publication of Inspection Report

Here’s a link to a document published on a website of Gary Wright which is apparently written by two physicists from the Radiation Protection Section of the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services, who responded to a report that Andrea Rossi, working for Industrial Heat, LLC, might be working with radioactive materials.

I contacted Andrea Rossi for comment and he wrote:

Dear Frank: I read this usual journalistic fraud of these zombies. They have a long story of journalistic frauds: remember when they published that the safety certification made on the 1 MW plant by SGS was fake, and I had to publish the certificate? Remember when they published a fake Data Base of the Italian Patent Office, where there had been falsificated the data regarding the name of the inventor, saying I was not the inventor, but there was the name of a non existing guy? Now this: obviously the statements introjected in JT Vaughn, vice president of Industrial Heat, are totally false, never said to any “investigator”, totally groundless, and I confirm, under my word of honour, that our relationship with Industrial Heat has never been better than now. Our Team, which is made by the men of Industrial Heat under my direction as the chief scientist, is making a wonderful work, that has lead to a magnificent plant. Obviously, R&D is on course, and we cannot consider to have reached consolidated results until at least 1 year of operation will have confirmed the reliability of the performance of the plant and we all know that the results could be positive, as well as negative, as I always said.
We are working together on this with a very hard work, I am working on this 16 hours per day and my team is working hard, even during holidays. With the help of God I think we will reach our goal.
Warmest Regards,
Andrea Rossi

  • Very good. Nothing ambiguous about that response.

    Even better (much better) would be a similar response from JT Vaughn.

    • GreenWin

      The narcissistic personality suffered by many skeptopaths pressures them to cockeyed ruses to get attention. Dr. Rossi calls them “zombies,” aka the living dead. One thing’s certain — we can breathe easy now we know Triangle Park is safe and secure from below background levels of radiation! Thanks to Randy Crowe and Mr. Brayboy!

  • Very good. Nothing ambiguous about that response.

    Even better (much better) would be a similar response from JT Vaughn.

  • Fortyniner

    Frank – would you feel able to contact the department concerned, point them at the document Wright has published and ask them to confirm that the two gentlemen mentioned work for them, and whether the ‘report’ is genuine or not. If the document is fake then documentary evidence needs to be available to prove this, and the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services may wish to take legal action if Wright is publishing fraudulent documents in their name.

    I will also do so, but I’m not sure whether they will feel obliged to respond to an enquiry from a non-US citizen.

    • Very good idea! Let’s beat Mr. Wright at his own game.

    • Fortyniner

      I have just looked at the staffing list for the NC Dept of Health and Human Resources at http://www.ncradiation.net/staff.htm. It would seem that NONE of the names on the document Wright has published appear on the staff list, and as Rossi says, the document is completely fraudulent.

      I will email them any way to alert them to Wrights activities.

      • Barbierir

        Louis Brayboy and David Crowley do appear on the staff list, it must be seen if the document is forged or has been changed

      • deleo77

        If you Google Brayboy and Crowe you will see that they are in the department of radioactive materials. It has their contact info on there. Perhaps someone can email them and ask them if this document is real and if Vaughn said that Rossi was not credible:

        Randy.crowe@dhhs.nc.gov
        Louis.brayboy@dhhs.nc.gov

        • Fortyniner

          Yes, I found them after posting, thanks. I’ve emailed the branch manager, David Crowley, to get his reaction.

          • deleo77

            I think the document looks legitimate. If it is a forgery, it would be a good one. If Vaughn said this, it would raise a ton of red flags in terms of what is going on between Rossi and IH. IH has investors and has filed SEC documents. If this is a forgery, it would probably be criminal given the state agencies involved. So there are major problems here regardless of which one this way swings.

          • Fortyniner

            Not that difficult I would have thought. There are only three graphics to scan from an original or get from the official websites, then the rest could be typed in full to avoid any mismatches in typeface, or misalignments resulting from document modifications. Without an original to compare with, it wouldn’t be possible for an observer to pick up any discrepancies.

          • deleo77

            I understand that Wright has done some malicious and dishonest things in the past, but who in their right mind would forge a document on this level and let it trace back to them. They would be in a world of legal trouble doing this. IH could sue them, and the state of NC would not be too happy about a letter like this being forged on their letterhead with signatures at the bottom. Even if Wright forged it why put his own email address on it and post it on his site. He is not being anonymous about it. He would be stupid or crazy to do such a thing.

            I have always had problems with IH not creating a website and announcing who they are. They can keep all of their R&D secret and at least have a website. Brillouin and BLP have websites. So does Apple for that matter. The thought that the IH R&D building in Raleigh is empty, the accountant for IH doesn’t know who Rossi is, and Vaughn says Rossi is not credible is troubling to say the least. I imagine the investors of IH know what is going on. If they don’t, they should probably call Darden ASAP.

          • Fortyniner

            A couple of points:

            (1) A website is used to communicate with a target audience, usually potential customers. If all communication necessary is in hand, IH doesn’t need a website. This is particularly the case if they prefer to maintain a low profile.

            (2) The accountant, Fogelman, had no knowledge of what happens in the building at 6025 Triangle Drive, or any knowledge of Rossi. Accountant for whom? – he is identified simply as the accountant for the company at this address. Yet the building is unoccupied, unfurnished, and has no company sign outside, so why would an unused building have an accountant? This is a very strange part of the story.

          • Sanjeev

            Yes, no website, too much secrecy and “zombie people manufacturing zombie ecats” is a big problem. The skepticism is understandable, if you see it from this perspective.
            But perhaps IH is just another paper company set up for legal reasons. There is perhaps no employee or offices for IH. Maybe all the operations are already shifted to China (is it Baoding?).
            Note that the recent patent has a name JWK something, not IH.

          • deleo77

            Yeah, it’s all possible. I guess I was under the impression that Rossi and his team were in a building in Raleigh and Vaughn and others were there working along-side him. I can’t say I believe that now. If Vaughn did say that he didn’t believe that Rossi is credible I am not sure what to make of that. It all just seems fishy to me.

          • Fortyniner

            Could you expand on the patent you refer to please, Sanjeev? ‘JWK’ may possibly be JW Khan, the CEO and owner of GEC – the company that developed the GeNiE cold fusion hybrid reactor (SPAWAR/Mosier-Boss connections). JWK International is a large government contractor with many military interests.

            http://globalenergycorporation.net/Publications.aspx

          • Sanjeev

            Sorry I confused the names, its IPH International BV not JWK
            http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/09/iph-international-bv-listed-as-applicant-in-e-cat-patent-filing/

            JWK Int appears in US Navy patent.

          • Fortyniner

            That’s a relief. It would have been rather bad news if a US military contractor had been stealthily accumulating CF patents. That does still remain a possibility of course.

          • Sanjeev

            IH is not in the patent, so it can mean IH is no longer related to the whole ECat-Rossi project. So an employee of IH will surely say, he has nothing to do with Rossi.
            We saw that the plaque on 1MW plant did not have any mention of IH, only of Rossi and his “team”.

          • Fortyniner

            Wheels within wheels. Perhaps IH have sold out to a bigger fish, or as you suggest there could be some kind of distancing game going on for other reasons. Either way, we seem to be in rather deeper darkness and fed even more manure that we previously assumed.

          • Timar

            Someone who hides behind a pseudonym perhaps? Do we have any evidence suggesting that Gary Wright is actually a real person? And don’t you find it a little odd that the recipient header only contains his name and email address but no real address? I have never seen an official document such as this is supposed to be, containing only an email address in the header.

          • Obvious

            I thought a lawyer for Patterson tracked him down once before, after following a trail of pseudonyms and fake addresses.

    • ecatworld

      I have done so, Peter.

      • Fortyniner

        Thanks, Frank. I suspect you may be more likely to get a reply than I am, but I’ll obviously copy it here if I do.

  • I find it unlikely in the extreme that ‘Randy Crowe’ could call at the East Hargett Street address without prior arrangement and find J T Vaughn just happened to be there. The property is a small office used as an accommodation address for several businesses, and it is highly likely that none of the principals of IH have ever set foot in the place.

    “He (Vaughn) stated that the E-CAT was being manufactured in Florida and that Mr. Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase).” So which is it – the E-Cat is being manufactured, or Rossi is ‘not credible’? It’s very hard to see how it could be both. This document reeks of fraud.

    Frank – would you feel able to contact the department concerned, point them at the document Wright has published and ask them to confirm that the two gentlemen mentioned work for them, and whether the ‘report’ is genuine or not. If the document is fake as it appears to be, then it would be good to have documentary evidence to prove this, and that Wright is a liar. Also, the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services may wish to take legal action if Wright is publishing fraudulent documents in their name.

    I will also do so, but I’m not sure whether they will feel obliged to respond to an enquiry from a non-US citizen.

    • Very good idea! Let’s beat Mr. Wright at his own game.

    • Barbierir

      Yeah here are the email addresses: http://ncradiation.net/rms/rmsstaffdir2.htm

    • I have just looked at the staffing list for the NC Dept of Health and Human Resources at http://www.ncradiation.net/staff.htm. It would seem that none of the names on the document Wright has published appear on the staff list, except for David Crowley, who is the branch manager. It seem likely that Wright has adulterated a genuine document from this department, and as Rossi says, the document content is completely fraudulent.

      I will email them anyway to alert them to Wrights activities.

      • Barbierir

        Louis Brayboy and David Crowley do appear on the staff list, it must be seen if the document is forged or has been changed

      • deleo77

        If you Google Brayboy and Crowe you will see that they are in the department of radioactive materials. It has their contact info on there. Perhaps someone can email them and ask them if this document is real and if Vaughn said that Rossi was not credible:

        Randy.crowe@dhhs.nc.gov
        Louis.brayboy@dhhs.nc.gov

        • Yes, I found them after posting, thanks. I’ve emailed the branch manager, David Crowley, to get his reaction. If I hear nothing back I’ll try the two gentlemen above.

          Odd that they are not on the current staff list at the link I posted earlier, but the names are listed at the link below, which is fairly current. They are shown as being involved with licensing, not investigations:

          http://ncradiation.net/rms/rmsstaffdir2.htm

          Edit: Sorry Admin – I see you’ve already posted this link.

          • deleo77

            I think the document looks legitimate. If it is a forgery, it would be a good one. If Vaughn said this, it would raise a ton of red flags in terms of what is going on between Rossi and IH. IH has investors and has filed SEC documents. If this is a forgery, it would probably be criminal given the state agencies involved. So there are major problems here regardless of which one this way swings.

          • Not that difficult to forge I would have thought. There are only three graphics to scan from an original or get from the official websites, then the rest could be typed in full to avoid any mismatches in typeface, or misalignments resulting from document modifications. Without an original to compare with, it wouldn’t be possible for an observer to pick up any discrepancies.

          • deleo77

            I understand that Wright has done some malicious and dishonest things in the past, but who in their right mind would forge a document on this level and let it trace back to them. They would be in a world of legal trouble doing this. IH could sue them, and the state of NC would not be too happy about a letter like this being forged on their letterhead with signatures at the bottom. Even if Wright forged it why put his own email address on it and post it on his site. He is not being anonymous about it. He would be stupid or crazy to do such a thing.

            I have always had problems with IH not creating a website and announcing who they are. They can keep all of their R&D secret and at least have a website. Brillouin and BLP have websites. So does Apple for that matter. The thought that the IH R&D building in Raleigh is empty, the accountant for IH doesn’t know who Rossi is, and Vaughn says Rossi is not credible is troubling to say the least. I imagine the investors of IH know what is going on. If they don’t, they should probably call Darden ASAP.

          • Just a couple of points:

            (1) A company website is used to communicate with a target audience, usually potential customers or to provide support and enquiry handling. If all communication necessary is in hand, IH doesn’t need a website. This is particularly the case if they prefer to maintain a low profile.

            (2) The building referred to is unoccupied, unfurnished, and has no company sign outside, and may, as Rossi has hinted, just be another kind of accommodation address (aka, paper location, i.e., red herring). Fogelman appears to have been acting as a keyholder, and could simply have been under instructions to deny any knowledge.

          • There is a Jim (James) Fogelman in Raleigh who works for National Packaging Solutions Group, headquartered at 2840 Plaza Pl
            Raleigh.

            http://find.intelius.com/Find-Phone-Address/Burlington-NC/Jim-Fogelman.html

            Is it possible that National Packaging own the small warehouse and loading bays at Triangle Drive and lease it to IH?

            This may be the same chap – he is listed as working in ‘financial services’ (= accountant?):

            https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jim-fogleman/0/790/380

            (Interesting that others recently viewing this profile have also looked for ‘Tom Darden’!)

          • Frank Acland

            http://www.cherokeefund.com/bio/jfogelman.htm

            Jim Fogelman — the CFO at Cherokee

          • Ah – so much for that theory then. Presumably the Cherokee Fogelman is the one listed by Linkedin above.

          • Sanjeev

            They called him an accountant 😀
            Fogelman must be very upset now and must be planning a revenge.

          • Timar

            Why would Vaughan send the CFO of a Billion dollar fund to open the door of an vacant building once dedicated to a now written-off investment business (wouldn’t he have better things to do?), introducing himself as an accountant to the investigators and telling them that he would be “unaware” of a Mr. Rossi? One of many things in this report that don’t sum up, but this is the most blatant one.

          • bachcole

            I agree.

            I believe that Rossi’s involvement was at one time solidly proven. So, why would Fogelman deny knowing Rossi now. That doesn’t make any sense, unless I.H. is trying to either hide Rossi or hid their involvement with Rossi.

            Fogelman is presented as an accountant rather than a CFO. I think that if Fogelman is presented as a CFO, it makes I.H. look desperate. If they look desperate, then this would raise a red flag with the inspector. I think that this says that they are simply trying to hide Rossi, rather than deny Rossi.

            What do you think?

          • Timar

            I think you may have figured it out…

            Vaughn knows perfectly well about Rossis public image. Ironically, he may even have benefited from the “work” done by Wright, Krivit & co when talking to the investigators and pretending that Rossi was “not credible”.

          • bachcole

            I am a little surprised that Vaughn would tell such a whopper, but for such an important reason, I suppose that we can overlook it.

            Yeah, I like your point about “not credible”. Actually, “not credible” is not a denial. He didn’t say that he Vaughn found Rossi to be not credible. Let’s face it, if Rossi was credible to society, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation. A technical definition of credible means that Rossi is not really credible, even if people like you and me are foolish enough to follow the evidence and believe Rossi.

          • Agreed. If he was introduced as the CFO for IH there would be no way that he couldn’t know about the investment being ploughed into Rossi’s work. As a supposedly lowly ‘accountant’ it may have been easier to pretend ignorance – ‘Don’t ask me – I just work here’.

          • Sanjeev

            Good point Timar.
            The info that he is not an accountant but a CFO makes the whole story stranger. Either the whole letter is forged or Vaughan and Fogelman played some games with the inspectors.

          • deleo77

            That’s almost where you would have to go with this. The e-cat really is being developed in Florida and that building in Raleigh is nothing more than an empty shell. The CFO lied about not knowing Rossi, and Vaughn said that he isn’t credible to get the investigators to stop taking the matter seriously. Lying to a state investigator is not exactly the best advice I would give to someone. I guess if the e-cat is not being developed in NC then they might think no harm no foul. Vaughn still lists himself as working for Industrial Heat. Without Rossi, what is Industrial Heat?

          • Sanjeev

            Yes, no website, too much secrecy and “zombie people manufacturing zombie ecats” is a big problem. The skepticism is understandable, if you see it from this perspective.
            But perhaps IH is just another paper company set up for legal reasons. There is perhaps no employee or offices for IH. Maybe all the operations are already shifted to China (is it Baoding?).
            Note that the recent patent has a name JWK something, not IH.

          • deleo77

            Yeah, it’s all possible. I guess I was under the impression that Rossi and his team were in a building in Raleigh and Vaughn and others were there working along-side him. I can’t say I believe that now. If Vaughn did say that he didn’t believe that Rossi is credible I am not sure what to make of that. It all just seems fishy to me.

          • Could you expand on the patent you refer to please, Sanjeev? ‘JWK’ may possibly be JW Khan, the CEO and owner of GEC – the company that developed the GeNiE cold fusion hybrid reactor (SPAWAR/Mosier-Boss connections). JWK International is a large government contractor with many military interests. They already jointly own (with the USN) the patents for the SPAWAR cold fusion work.

            http://globalenergycorporation.net/Publications.aspx

          • Sanjeev

            Sorry I confused the names, its IPH International BV not JWK
            http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/09/iph-international-bv-listed-as-applicant-in-e-cat-patent-filing/

            JWK Int appears in US Navy patent.

          • That’s a relief. It would have been rather bad news if a US military contractor had been stealthily accumulating CF patents. That does still remain a possibility of course.

          • Sanjeev

            IH is not in the patent, so it can mean IH is no longer related to the whole ECat-Rossi project. So an employee of IH will surely say, he has nothing to do with Rossi.
            We saw that the plaque on 1MW plant did not have any mention of IH, only of Rossi and his “team”.

          • Wheels within wheels. Perhaps IH have sold out to a bigger fish, or as you suggest there could be some kind of distancing game going on for other reasons. Either way, we seem to be in rather deeper darkness and fed even more manure that we previously assumed.

          • Timar

            Someone who hides behind a pseudonym perhaps? Do we have any evidence suggesting that Gary Wright is actually a real person? And don’t you find it a little odd that the recipient header only contains his name and email address but no real address? I have never seen an official document such as this is supposed to be, containing only an email address in the header.

          • Obvious

            I thought a lawyer for Patterson tracked him down once before, after following a trail of pseudonyms and fake addresses.

          • Timar

            Nothing would be easier than to change an “is not available” to an “is not credible”, simply by cutting and pasting letters from the scanned document. Someone experienced in image editing could do that within a few minutes. Rossi is right, Gary Wright has a record of slandering. I wouldn’t be surprised if he forged this part of the document to discredit Rossi. I would be really surprised, however, if Vaughn would have come to the conclusion that Rossi is “not credible” whithout officially anouncing the termination of of the relationship between IH and Rossi, giving all of Rossis public statements. On the other hand, even if the document would turn out to be authetic, Vaughn could still have lied to the inspectors about Rossi simply to get rid of them. After all, he didn’t expect his words ever to be published.

    • Frank Acland

      I have done so, Peter.

      • Thanks, Frank. I suspect you may be more likely to get a reply than I am, but I’ll obviously copy it here if I do.

  • Mats002

    Here is Mr Wright’s disclaimer for his website, is it realy so simple to get away with writing anything? Any lawyers here?

    First of all we claim “Fair Use” for all information on this website. We are a public service website bringing to the world’s attention the methodologies and details of “Free Energy” frauds and scams.
    ***
    This is not a commercial website, it is maintained by donations only.
    ***
    Nothing on this website is, or should be taken as legal advice, but all material is for informational purposes only. If you want to file a criminal or civil complaint please contact the proper authorities or legal counsel for instructions, just beware of timelines and cut off dates. If you need copies of any original material on this website, we will gladly give unedited, original copies of any source material used for articles on this website, but only at the request of the proper authorities.

  • Mats002

    Here is Mr Wright’s disclaimer for his website, is it realy so simple to get away with writing anything? Any lawyers here?

    First of all we claim “Fair Use” for all information on this website. We are a public service website bringing to the world’s attention the methodologies and details of “Free Energy” frauds and scams.
    ***
    This is not a commercial website, it is maintained by donations only.
    ***
    Nothing on this website is, or should be taken as legal advice, but all material is for informational purposes only. If you want to file a criminal or civil complaint please contact the proper authorities or legal counsel for instructions, just beware of timelines and cut off dates. If you need copies of any original material on this website, we will gladly give unedited, original copies of any source material used for articles on this website, but only at the request of the proper authorities.

  • bachcole

    Since I missed Mr. Wright’s article (and will probably miss all future articles written by him), I don’t have to fret about what he said. Avoiding skeptopaths and liars is good for one’s mental health. (:->)

    • Fortyniner

      Unfortunately this particular slur will probably be posted by the skeps all over the place, so it would be good to be able to refute it wherever it appears. As you say though it’s not good for mental balance – or for that matter, blood pressure.

  • bachcole

    Since I missed Mr. Wright’s article (and will probably miss all future articles written by him), I don’t have to fret about what he said. Avoiding skeptopaths and liars is good for one’s mental health. (:->)

    • Unfortunately this particular slur will probably be posted by the skeps all over the place, so it would be good to be able to refute it wherever it appears. As you say though it’s not good for mental balance – or for that matter, blood pressure.

  • Sanjeev

    At first glance, the letter looks authentic. Nothing unusual about it. A fearful or “concerned” person filed a complaint and no problem was found on the said location (no radioactivity). Obviously its a office building, not a factory.

    The only strange thing is Vaughn’s comment about Rossi. Note that the question was whether Rossi will be available later. To answer to that he is not credible is non-sense, the answer should be “not available” or “not sure” or something like that.

    So either that site has forged that word or the inspectors heard it wrong or the typist wrote it wrong. Wright appears totally dishonest because he is implying that this letter means that there is no Ecat or the whole thing is a scam, which is not the logical conclusion I draw from the letter. The only conclusion is that there was no radioactive stuff in said office.

  • Sanjeev

    At first glance, the letter looks authentic. Nothing unusual about it. A fearful or “concerned” person filed a complaint and no problem was found on the said location (no radioactivity). Obviously its a office building, not a factory.

    The only strange thing is Vaughn’s comment about Rossi. Note that the question was whether Rossi will be available later. To answer to that he is not credible is non-sense, the answer should be “not available” or “not sure” or something like that.

    So either that site has forged that word or the inspectors heard it wrong or the typist wrote it wrong. Wright appears totally dishonest because he is implying that this letter means that there is no Ecat or the whole thing is a scam, which is not the logical conclusion I draw from the letter. The only conclusion is that there was no radioactive stuff in said office.

  • Observer

    Here is some correspondence between Andrea Rossi and myself after the 6025 address became public domain:

    1/3/14
    Andrea,

    Before you start getting harassed by the “Gary Wright”s of the world, maybe it would be a good idea to establish decoy locations.

    Andrea’s Response:

    You are right,
    Andrea

    • Observer

      “Gary Wright” is trying to find the location of Rossi’s lab for the purpose of further harassment.

      Remember the burning tires…

      Andrea Rossi knows the danger of being a sitting duck.

  • Bob

    I find it highly unlikely, odd at the very least, that Mr. Vaughn would state that Mr. Rossi “is not credible” yet allows Rossi to often quote that he and Industrial Heat are in a working relationship. This is very hard to believe in my opinion.

    I have not read the “document”, but if it simply states that Rossi is working with radioactive materials, it could be true and may not be damaging at all. In R&D, they could be trying different materials or they may be using a radioactive isotope to prepare special fuel. Who knows?

    If they filed for appropriate permits, met specified requirements and conduct research per those requirements, what is the issue?

    I support the effort to contact the HHS department to get the official response.

    • LuFong

      I think it’s probably a misstatement. What was written was “and that Mr. Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase).” What makes more sense, in the context of the investigation, is something to the effect “and that allegations about Mr. Rossi did not appear credible (paraphrase).”

      Mr. Wright as usual is just fishing for dirt and the investigators I think realized that. Mr Vaughn sent the investigators to an empty building and the investigators did their duty.

      • artefact

        That would sound better in the context!

      • Did get an email back from No. Carolina Health and Human Services. They are inquiring.

        • Fortyniner

          Well done – that’s more than I got back!

      • Daniel Maris

        I would agree with that. But I have never seen such an official document in the UK where people would put in “paraphrase” like that. Looks v. unprofessional given the implications (one being that Mr Vaughn is not carrying out his directorial duties correctly). A professionally minded person would either given an accurate summary or alternatively simply stated that the person concerned made confused, ambiguous or ambivalent statements in response.

        I guess we have to accept this is genuine but if so, then as you suggest it may be the letter contained a mistake.

        • LuFong

          On the other hand, Jed Rothwell on Vortex ( http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg101456.html ) does not doubt the report and even said this:

          “I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say
          it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed
          up with Rossi? I get fed up with him myself at times. He does lack
          credibility. Of course Vaughn knows far more about him than I do.”

          Of course this is all just conjecture and informal off the cuff comments by Jed so don’t go labeling him as pathoskeptic. It seems to me that Jed has a very sensible view of Rossi (most of the time complementary) and probably understands him better than most. It’s just that it appears that I am not only one who is disappointed in Rossi’s antics.

          • Daniel Maris

            The letter doesn’t say what he said. The letter gives a “paraphrase”.

            It would be good to hear from Vaughn. If we don’t then I suppose that lends credrence to the letter.

            So far we only have a denial from Rossi – who has a vested interest in denial of course (not that that undermines his denial as such).

  • Observer

    Here is some correspondence between Andrea Rossi and myself after the 6025 address became public domain:

    1/3/14
    Andrea,

    Before you start getting harassed by the “Gary Wright”s of the world, maybe it would be a good idea to establish decoy locations.

    Andrea’s Response:

    You are right,
    Andrea

    • Observer

      “Gary Wright” is trying to find the location of Rossi’s lab for the purpose of further harassment.

      Remember the burning tires…

      Andrea Rossi knows the danger of being a sitting duck.

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        With the Tutankhamon curse (and cursing trolls) following cold fusionists around the globe, one would imagine that R&D at IH be carried out with double, triple extra care, no?

  • Bob

    I find it highly unlikely, odd at the very least, that Mr. Vaughn would state that Mr. Rossi “is not credible” yet allows Rossi to often quote that he and Industrial Heat are in a working relationship. This is very hard to believe in my opinion.

    I have not read the “document”, but if it simply states that Rossi is working with radioactive materials, it could be true and may not be damaging at all. In R&D, they could be trying different materials or they may be using a radioactive isotope to prepare special fuel. Who knows?

    If they filed for appropriate permits, met specified requirements and conduct research per those requirements, what is the issue?

    I support the effort to contact the HHS department to get the official response.

    • Redford

      Not only that but saying “we produce ecat” and “ecat’s inventor isn’t credible” doesn’t strike me as even remotely plausible.

      • Sanjeev

        Yes, and Wright was actually unable to grasp this.
        If we have skeptics and deniers of such intelligence who needs believers and supporters.

      • curious

        My bet: he said that the claim about the radioactive materials is not credible

  • Obvious

    This is the second radiation inspection that passed with no detection of anything. Possibly both initiated by the same person. Starting to look like stalking and harassment now.

    • Obvious

      I wonder what the last inspectors would think of the above linked document?

  • Obvious

    This is the second radiation inspection that passed with no detection of anything. Possibly both initiated by the same person. Starting to look like stalking and harassment now.

    Edit: here is the last attempt. ***Direct to pdf***
    http://shutdownrossi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/34-Pg-Florida-BRC-Report-s.pdf

    • Obvious

      I wonder what the last inspectors would think of the above linked document ( and website)?

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Perhaps Mr. V. used simply some kind of ‘white lie’ in order to appease the officers. The wording might have been more tactful than in the reported version.

    • Obvious

      Maybe it was something like “Rossi is absolutely incredible”.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Perhaps Mr. V. used simply some kind of ‘white lie’ in order to appease the officers. The wording might have been more tactful than in the reported version.

    • Obvious

      Maybe it was something like “Rossi is absolutely incredible”.

  • Redford

    If that’s legit, the natural step expected that’s missing here are our two investigators going back to IH and confront them about they stating a place to a production plant for ecat and actually being nothing of that. Or at least doing that by phone.

    • curious

      If the best evidence against Rossi comes from this clown he is safe.

      What worries me is not what Vaughan says but the implication that he does not know what is going with development. Come on, he sets a up a facility and it is not in use? Worse: he does not know it is not in use?

      Maybe the document is fake, or the “facility” is just a decoy, or he is clueless. The latter is serious because then we can’t assume insiders keep their eyes open.

      • bachcole

        We have seen Vaughn in Rossi’s lab, or someone with the exact same hairline.

  • Sanjeev

    Yes, and Wright was actually unable to grasp this.
    If we have skeptics and deniers of such intelligence who needs believers and supporters.

  • ecatworld

    http://www.cherokeefund.com/bio/jfogelman.htm

    Jim Fogelman — the CFO at Cherokee

    • Fortyniner

      Ah – so much for that theory then. Presumably the Cherokee Fogelman is the one listed by Linkedin above.

    • Sanjeev

      They called him an accountant 😀
      Fogelman must be very upset now and must be planning a revenge.

      • Timar

        Why would Vaughan send the CFO of a Billion dollar fund to open the door of an vacant building once dedicated to a now written-off investment business (wouldn’t he have better things to do?), introducing himself as an accountant to the investigators and telling them that he would be “unaware” of a Mr. Rossi? One of many things in this report that don’t sum up, but this is the most blatant one.

        • Sanjeev

          Good point Timar.
          The info that he is not an accountant but a CFO makes the whole story stranger. Either the whole letter is forged or Vaughan and Fogelman played some games with the inspectors.

          • deleo77

            That’s almost where you would have to go with this. The e-cat really is being developed in Florida and that building in Raleigh is nothing more than an empty shell. The CFO lied about not knowing Rossi, and Vaughn said that he isn’t credible to get the investigators to stop taking the matter seriously. Lying to a state investigator is not exactly the best advice I would give to someone. I guess if the e-cat is not being developed in NC then they might think no harm no foul. Vaughn still lists himself as working for Industrial Heat. Without Rossi, what is Industrial Heat?

  • curious

    If the best evidence against Rossi comes from this clown he is safe.

    What worries me is not what Vaughan says but the implication that he does not know what is going with development. Come on, he sets a up a facility and it is not in use? Worse: he does not know it is not in use?

    Maybe the document is fake, or the “facility” is just a decoy, or he is clueless. The latter is serious because then we can’t assume insiders keep their eyes open.

    • clovis ray

      The whole entire thing is crap o, on part is valid.

    • Daniel Maris

      Yes, I would agree. It was a reasonable assumption that Vaughn would know about the pilot plant and so on. If he doesn’t then of course all bets are off.

  • curious

    My bet: he said that the claim about the radioactive materials is not credible

  • Bhlowe

    What if Cherokee had 200 million dollars available for investment last year. A range of investment risks were to be allocated. A small part, say, $11 million, was authorized for “extremely risky, high reward” investments. Somehow Rossi and Cherokee get in touch, and Rossi and Cherokee agree to the following deal: $5M up front plus $2M per year for R&D, for 3 years. That money is a sunk cost and Cherokee understands the possibility of a return on investment is small (under 1%) but the payoff would be large (in the billions of dollars.) The above would explain why a well run company would invest in Rossi when GE wouldn’t. It would explain why Cherokee don’t talk about it (embarrassing, but who knows, maybe Rossi will get a working project)… also might explain why Vaughn would say Rossi isn’t credible (yeah, that was a dumb bet on our part… we don’t have a lot of faith that this investment will pay off….) And it would explain Rossi’s small time real estate investment company (focusing on real estate, rather than LENR seems a huge waste of time/energy.)

    The only problem with LENR and the Rossi effect is that it so far hasn’t produced any USABLE heat, which explains why there is no product, no demonstration involving heating a body of water. and also explains why DGT is disbanded despite their claims of overunity.

  • bachcole

    OK, so I allowed myself to read the document all the way through. Did everything else just disappear or never happen?: the professors, 2013 Levi, et. al. test report, Mike McKubre’s transmutations, Alexander Parkhomov, Elforsk, the 2014 Lugano test report, Pamela Boss, etc. etc. etc. etc. Yes, there is definitely some kind of disconnect. But exactly what it is is uncertain.

    • Obvious

      Of course none of this happened. The inspectors were probably told to do their job, then read a Presidential order signed by four POTUS’s that required them to see and report an empty building, rather than a hive of extreme tech and personnel….

      • bachcole

        I presume that you are joking.

        If you’re not and if it is true, at least TPTB are elected officials, sort of. (:->)

        • Obvious

          The sarcasm alert button is broken on my laptop….
          If it were real, then there would be MIB crawling all over my neighborhood right now (although I could be posting from the arctic, using a central US IP location due to satellite internet….). Might take ’em another day to catch up with me that way.

          • GreenWin

            Damn Obvious. I clicked a Plus 1 on your comment and 20 minutes later I got black choppers and searchlights all over the neighborhood! Think we’re all trapped in some kinda MajQ compartment?

          • Obvious

            My posts are still here, so probably a neighbor of yours downloaded an illegal copy of “Neutron Dance” by the Pointer Sisters. Use foil hat just in case, and don’t look at the flashy red light thing…

  • So far 5 of the emails I’ve sent out have come back “delivery has failed”.

    • bachcole

      But what were the destinations of those emails?

      • 3 were from the NCDHHS document.

  • Curbina

    Come on! This is really a crappy attempt. I guess Gary was needing a surge of traffic to pay for the server bills.

  • clovis ray

    I agree Curbina, this guy, is a stinker, what a shame that such a great man has to put up with this kind of crap, from such a crap head. Dr. Rossi needs not put his great honor on the line for such a crap head, you see, just as Dr.R, was going to give us a look at his cat, in operation, some crap head like gary w, comes along and spoils everything, this guy needs an attitude adjustment, that what we call a ass whipping here in Oklahoma. lol

    • bachcole

      Come on, clovis ray, don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel. Really. This is a crappy time to be mincing words.

  • bachcole

    For me, LENR++ is alive and well. But this incident needs to be sorted (as the Brits like to say).

    • Timar

      Yes it does. Can’t wait to hear the response by IH or the NCDHHS. Too bad there won’t be any before tommorow. Will give me weird dreams tonight.

  • Chris, Italy

    Needs to be checked up; it’s a bit too wierd both ways.

  • Chris, Italy

    Needs to be checked up; it’s a bit too wierd both ways.

  • Timar

    Yes it does. Can’t wait to hear the response by IH or the NCDHHS. Too bad there won’t be any before tommorow. Will give me weird dreams tonight.

    • bachcole

      If the dreams are about steam, does this mean that they won’t be wet?

  • Surveilz

    “I read this usual journalistic fraud of these zombies.”

    This is hilarious as it rings such a familiar bell for me. Others may dismiss that statement as quackery, but what you have just witnessed is born out of passions running high and what happens when English is not your mother tongue. I have tortured English syntax and expressed myself using uncommon adjectives in the same manner for so many years. I still do on occasion.

  • Surveilz

    “I read this usual journalistic fraud of these zombies.”

    This is hilarious as it rings such a familiar bell for me. Others may dismiss that statement as quackery, but what you have just witnessed is born out of passions running high and what happens when English is not your mother tongue. I have tortured English syntax and expressed myself using uncommon adjectives in the same manner for so many years. I still do on occasion.

  • GreenWin

    The narcissistic personality suffered by many skeptopaths pressures them to cockeyed ruses to get attention. Dr. Rossi calls them “zombies,” aka the living dead. One thing’s certain — we can breathe easy now we know Triangle Park is safe and secure from below background levels of radiation! Thanks to Randy Crowe and Mr. Brayboy!

  • Timar

    I think you may have figured it out…

  • Did get an email back from No. Carolina Health and Human Services. They are inquiring.

    • Well done – that’s more than I got back!

  • NT

    I did searches for this complaint and report at:
    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/index.htm
    and found nothing in this regard. Appears to be a complete fraud and somebody may have a teet in the proverbial ringer…

  • enantiomer2000

    Yawn… Rossi is basically saying that we won’t be seeing anything for at least a year. Wake me up when they actually have something…

  • enantiomer2000

    Yawn… Rossi is basically saying that we won’t be seeing anything for at least a year. Wake me up when they actually have something…

  • Obvious

    The sarcasm alert button is broken on my laptop….
    If it were real, then there would be MIB crawling all over my neighborhood right now (although I could be posting from the arctic, using a central US IP location due to satellite internet….). Might take ’em another day to catch up with me that way.

    • GreenWin

      Damn Obvious. I clicked a Plus 1 on your comment and 20 minutes later I got black choppers and searchlights all over the neighborhood! Think we’re all trapped in some kinda MajQ compartment?

      • Obvious

        My posts are still here, so probably a neighbor of yours downloaded an illegal copy of “Neutron Dance” by the Pointer Sisters. Use foil hat just in case, and don’t look at the flashy red light thing…

  • Daniel Maris

    In the UK if you were a director, you would have a responsibility to investors if you thought your Chief Scientist had no credibility. To let him continue using your company’s funds would probably render you liable in some way.

    This is a puzzle. I don;t see how Vaughn can’t comment on it.

  • Daniel Maris

    Their investigation seemed far from thorough. Surely they could easily have found about about the claims of a pilot plant. Why were there no questions asked about that?

  • Daniel Maris

    The lab but not the claimed pilot plant.

  • Daniel Maris

    Frank – perhaps you could ask Rossi a simply question: Does J Vaughn know where the pilot plant is?

  • bachcole

    You folks realize that if we create too much of a commotion, that it might alert the North Carolina State officials that Vaughn lied. That could be bad. Remember that what we know, whether we believe or not, amounts to a very small hill of dog doo in importance.

    • NT

      I would be VERY surprised if there ever was a complaint or an official investigation. This appears to be completely made up by Mr. Wright and bogus…

      • bachcole

        I sure hope so. I expect that criminals in prison will try to use the telephone and the Internet to do mischief. And skeptopaths live in a mental prison (the very worst kind), so I would not be surprised if this is a bogus attempt by a professional debunker.

  • fakename

    It seems that a lot here assume that Rossi’s device is the only thing that IH is looking at.
    It may be that they have found something else that is more “credible” and closer
    to commercialization. Then cleaning out a warehouse, getting it ready for another
    approach, and keeping the lease would be useful. It also explain why some CFO/accountant type
    did not admit connections to the old (year ago) ties to Rossi. Notice that if IH does have “another horse in the stable” then the arguments about investor relations would be mute. Then, it is
    only a matter of if you believe Rossi’s claims of things – including his
    relationship with IH which may be now dated or may not have ever have existed. It
    might have even been Rossi that called in the rad question thinking that he
    would gain info about his “usurper”.

    E-cats are not the only things going. Perhaps Vaughn has found another “horse to ride”.

  • NT

    I would be VERY surprised if there ever was a complaint or an official investigation. This appears to be completely made up by Mr. Wright and bogus…

  • Nicholas Cafarelli

    It might be interesting to apply a high level of scrutiny to Mr. Gary Wright’s activities. I wonder what might surface. When Wright fingers scams who is he protecting?

  • Nicholas Cafarelli

    It might be interesting to apply a high level of scrutiny to Mr. Gary Wright’s activities. I wonder what might surface. When Wright fingers scams who is he protecting?

    • bachcole

      Himself.

  • bachcole

    I found the Radiation Protection Section: http://www.ncradiation.net/staff.htm

    I see Crowley. {Please, remember that we really don’t want to alert him to the fact that perhaps they got punked.}

    And here I see the whole crew: http://www.ncradiation.net/rms/rmsstaffdir2.htm

    I am choosing to not communicate with them. I don’t wish to be responsible for f*c*ing-up the most important technological advance in the history of the mankind.

  • GreenWin

    At times one is forced to consider these littering’s of FUD indicative of chaos within agencies. Preposterousness leads to doubt of who, if anyone, is running the show. It certainly ain’t Maj Groom. 🙂

  • Fortyniner

    Agreed. If he was introduced as the CFO for IH there would be no way that he couldn’t know about the investment being ploughed into Rossi’s work. As a lowly ‘accountant’ it may have been easier to pretend no knowledge.

  • Kaz

    Wow! This is serious stuff. Some say it is fraudulent but is Gary Wright then responsible? Was Wright given a fake and did not know (i.e. useful idiot) or did he manufacture it? Maybe it is real!

    • Timar

      Well, no, he is the recipient on the document.

      • I wonder if someone just tagged his name on it.

        • SG

          Why then would he promote it?

          • Timar

            Because he himself (or the people who pay him) did it for the purpose of slandering Rossi?

          • Oh, I didn’t know FEScams was his site.

  • Kaz

    Wow! This is serious stuff. Some say it is fraudulent but is Gary Wright then responsible? Was Wright given a fake and did not know (i.e. useful idiot) or did he manufacture it? Maybe it is real!

    • Timar

      Well, no, he is the recipient on the document.

      • I wonder if someone just tagged his name on it.

        • SG

          Why then would he promote it?

          • Timar

            Because he himself (or the people who pay him) did it for the purpose of slandering Rossi?

          • Oh, I didn’t know FEScams was his site.

    • bachcole

      To some extent he is responsible for publishing fraudulent material. He should have done his due diligence.

      (See US_Citizen’s comment above)

  • Edac

    If the document had been addressed to anyone other than Gary Wright I might have given it some credence, but not when it is addressed to him.

  • US_Citizen71

    Being a photographer I am very comfortable in Photoshop and like to bring images and PDFs there for analysis. To my dismay when the linked PDF is downloaded a password is required in order to open it in Photoshop odd but not completely damning. So I used the built in PDF viewer in Chrome to zoom in on the document. I quickly found four things that lead me to believe this is a cut and paste fake.

    1. More than one font is used in the same sentence.

    2. A floating piece of a letter below a line.

    3. A floating period above a line.

    4. Remnants of another signature where the supposed digitally signed signature of Randy Crowe sits.

    View for yourself: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view

    • Timar

      Brilliant analysis.

    • EEStorFanFibb

      link doesn’t work for me. but thanks… GW is a turd.

    • Hi all

      To US_Citizen71

      Excellent work 🙂

      Kind Regards walker

    • Fortyniner

      Thanks. Your observations seem to be pretty damning, especially when added to the lack of initial indent, differing line spacing, typo (‘able’ for ‘available’) and missing terminal period that I noted earlier in the ‘credible’ paragraph. I would just point out though that the differing font used for the address could have arisen ‘legitimately’ if formatting was carried over during a cut and paste operation while composing the original document.

      Taken together though it is almost certain that this document was generated by Wright. It will be interesting to see whether the NC Dept of Health & Human Services takes exception to this apparently fraudulent use of their identity.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Sorry for being not completely convinced, US_C. I would rather think that the displaced objects are artefacts from the scanner software. A different font can easily result from copying and pasting formatted text. I’m not sure about the additional signature, but it seems possible that the whole block has been inserted as a scanned image.

  • US_Citizen71

    Being a photographer I am very comfortable in Photoshop and like to bring images and PDFs there for analysis. To my dismay when the linked PDF is downloaded a password is required in order to open it in Photoshop odd but not completely damning. So I used the built in PDF viewer in Chrome to zoom in on the document. I quickly found four things that lead me to believe this is a cut and paste fake.

    1. More than one font is used in the same sentence.

    2. A floating piece of a letter below a line.

    3. A floating period above a line.

    4. Remnants of another signature where the supposed digitally signed signature of Randy Crowe sits.

    View for yourself: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxCBtZoq-VqLd1VOd3dVS2pRWGM/view

    • Timar

      Brilliant analysis. The line spacing and changes in typefont have been noticed before, as was the “able” typo, the odd formulation for an official report (“paraphrase” in parenthesis) and the missing dot at the end of the paragraph, but with those forensic details the case becomes much more conclusive indeed.

      Given this evidence combined with the odd narrative of the “investigative report” (Mr. Vaughn, the COE of Cherokee who probably travels around the world most of the time is incidentally present at the Raleigh address during the unannounced visit, Mr. Vogelman, the CFO shows them a vacant building, introducing himself as an accountant) I think that there can be no doubt left that document has been forged from an original template by Mr. Wright or his accomplices

      I wish that Mr. Rothwell would have given the document a more thorough analysis, as we did here, before concluding that it was authentic with such certainty. He is one of the most intelligent, knowledeable and merited commenters on all things LENR but if he has one weak spot it is a tendency to rush to conclusions. This is unfortunate, because his words have weight.

      Hope we will see some official response soon.

    • link doesn’t work for me. but thanks… GW is a turd.

      • bachcole

        I could not see it by clicking on the email link, but I could see it by clicking on the website link.

    • bachcole

      Oh, my goodness. This is very compelling evidence that it is fraudulent. Well, heck, what do you expect from Mr. Wright.

    • Hi all

      To US_Citizen71

      Excellent work 🙂

      Kind Regards walker

    • Thanks. Your observations seem to be pretty damning, especially when added to the lack of initial indent, differing line spacing, typo (‘able’ for ‘available’) and missing terminal period that I highlighted earlier in the ‘credible’ paragraph. I would just note though that the differing font used for the address could have arisen ‘legitimately’ if formatting was carried over during a cut and paste operation while composing the original document.

      Taken together however, it seems almost certain that this document was generated or modified by Wright. It will be interesting to see whether the NC Dept of Health & Human Services takes exception to this apparently fraudulent use of their identity, or to any tampering with an original NCDHHS document.

      • bachcole

        Not quite. That evidence supports the theory that it is faked. Wright might also be a victim here, but (1) he is still culpable for not doing his due diligence (at the very least), and (2) given Wright’s attitude (another data point), he probably did it or knew about it being faked.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Sorry for being not completely convinced, US_C. I would rather think that the displaced objects are artefacts from the scanner software. A different font can easily result from copying and pasting formatted text. I’m not sure about the additional signature, but it seems possible that the whole block has been inserted as a scanned image.

  • Ronzonni

    To admin, instead of wondering about what Mr. Vaughn said, would it not make more sense to simply ask him (or Mr. Darden) as the editor of this important forum? What is his current appraisal of the status of the research and the production work? Is it satisfactory or does he see serious problems ahead? Did he say anything to the inspectors or about the inspection? Nothing to lose by asking, is there? (thanks)

  • ecatworld

    Posted by Mats Lewan on vortex-l:

    Mr. Lewan,

    The report posted to http://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina.

    The investigators documented what was said and observed. They reported what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility.

    We have no further information to share about the alleger.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    David Crowley

    N.C. Department of Health and Human Services
    Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation
    5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612
    1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645
    Phone: 919-814-2303
    david.crowley@dhhs.nc.gov
    http://www.ncradiation.net
    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

    • GreenWin

      “Left out additional descriptive language…” Does this mean the report we have is incorrect? The “statement of credibility” — makes absolutely no sense. Still, North Carolina will sleep better tonight knowing Dr. Rossi’s E-Cat is in good health.

      • Fortyniner

        I’ve just received an identical reply. I’m not convinced that Mr Crowley actually compared the copy and original word for word though. The anomalies still stand, but I’m not sure what else can be done.

        • Sanjeev

          But he mentions the word “credibility”, which means he is aware of the main issue and he did not deny using that word in the letter.

          • Fortyniner

            Yes, that is a bit awkward (sorry, I edited my post from the original to address this issue).

          • Sanjeev

            No problem. I read your edited post now.
            The question is, why is there a need to avoid the radiation inspector ? Ecat produces no radiation, nothing to hide here. He could have invited the officer to their factory to check it out and meet Rossi too. Instead he was “descriptive”. Big question.

    • Sanjeev

      That puts a big question mark on the IH-Rossi relations.
      Normally the gov officers do not lie in writing. (They lie orally all the time, because there are not many consequences, its called diplomacy).

      • ecatworld

        My best information leads me to believe that the IH Rossi relationship is strong. Rossi himself said above on ‘his word of honour’ that relations with Industrial Heat has never been better.

        • EEStorFanFibb

          IMO, it’s up to IH to prove that, not Rossi

    • deleo77

      I see one of two scenarios at this point:

      1. The IH guys knew this was a Wright/Krivit witch hunt so they said what they needed to say to get the investigators to go alway and stop with the inquiry. Even with this, I would guess that Rossi and the development of the e-cat is in Florida, and there isn’t any R&D going on in NC. So Rossi is living in his Miami condo and has a small IH team working on the e-cat near there. But Darden and Vaughn are still on board.

      2. Sometime throughout November or December Darden and Vaughn became convinced that there was nothing to the e-cat. They saw errors in the Lugano report and scientific advisers close to them were telling them that the e-cat simply didn’t work as believed. They shutdown the R&D in NC and let everyone go, and Rossi went back to Miami. Darden is quietly returning the money to the investors or diverting it into other investments and that is why the NC building is empty with nothing taking place there.
      Darden and Vaughn are distancing themselves from Rossi and the whole endeavor.

      Arguments could be made for either of these two scenarios. Without more information it is impossible to know the answer.

      • Fortyniner

        Option 2 seems unlikely, at least if we are assuming that 6025 Triangle Drive was the research base. As soon as that address became known some months ago, a number of commenters here used Google Street Map to view the property, and was obviously just a small storage and loading facility, apparently empty and abandoned, with no company identification visible, as described in the report.

      • ecatworld

        A couple of comments from Rossi when asked about where he works mainly:

        Andrea Rossi

        October 1st, 2014 at 7:48 PM

        Andre Blum:
        I am always in the USA, mainly in North Carolina and in Florida, focused on my work for Industrial Heat and IH’s Customer.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

        DTravchenko
        July 6th, 2014 at 8:41 PM
        Dear Andrea Rossi,
        Where are you exactly in this moment, if I can ask?
        D.T.

        Andrea Rossi

        July 7th, 2014 at 1:58 PM

        DTravchenko:
        Raleigh, North Carolina, USA; in the factory of Industrial Heat, in the heart of the Research Triangle, where many mammoth companies have their R&D centers.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

        • Sanjeev

          If the IH factory is at Research triangle, what is being manufacured in Florida ?

          • ecatworld

            It’s not clear. Rossi’s home is in Florida, and he was making E-Cats there at one point. He has never said where the customer’s factory is, either.

          • Daniel Maris

            Quite. And the “IH Factory” does not appear to correspond to what AR has told us about the IMW plant – which sounds like a commercial operator.

      • Daniel Maris

        You haven’t been paying attention. There is supposed to be a 1MW E Cat running at a pilot plant at a commercial operator’s premises. It seems incredible that Vaughn would be so neglectful of his duty as not to know the whereabouts of this plant. Why is there no mention of it in the report? Incredible!

  • Frank Acland

    Posted by Mats Lewan on vortex-l:

    Mr. Lewan,

    The report posted to http://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina.

    The investigators documented what was said and observed. They reported what was communicated to them by Mr. Vaughn, but left out additional descriptive language that followed the statement of credibility.

    We have no further information to share about the alleger.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    David Crowley

    N.C. Department of Health and Human Services
    Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation
    5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612
    1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645
    Phone: 919-814-2303
    david.crowley@dhhs.nc.gov
    http://www.ncradiation.net
    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

    • GreenWin

      “Left out additional descriptive language…” Does this mean the report we have is incorrect? The “statement of credibility” — makes absolutely no sense. Still, North Carolina will sleep better tonight knowing Dr. Rossi’s E-Cat is in good health.

      • I’ve just received a similar reply. Mr Crowley’s confirmation on the credibility issue is odd to say the least, but we have to accept his response. If the ‘credibility’ thing is taken at face value, this would be worrying. However, given Mr Fogelman’s stonewalling, it seems more likely that Mr Vaughn may have been rather disingenuous in order to throw the investigators off track.

        My earlier observation that it is difficult to reconcile the statement that the e-Cats are being manufactured in Florida, with any doubts about Rossi’s credibility, still stands. Perhaps Vaughn over-egged his reply to the inspectors a little.

        (Edited)

        • Sanjeev

          But he mentions the word “credibility”, which means he is aware of the main issue and he did not deny using that word in the letter.

          • Yes, that is a bit awkward (sorry, I edited my post from the original to address this issue).

          • Sanjeev

            No problem. I read your edited post now.
            The question is, why is there a need to avoid the radiation inspector ? Ecat produces no radiation, nothing to hide here. He could have invited the officer to their factory to check it out and meet Rossi too. Instead he was “descriptive”. Big question.

      • Barbierir

        “Left out additional descriptive language…” I interpret it as Vaughn said harsher words against Rossi than what is paraphrasized in the report. I can’t understand how this squares with the assertion that the Ecat is being manufactured in Florida. Let alone how this squares with all the rest of this story and the Rossi-IH relantionship. Vaughn must issue an explanation

        • bachcole

          “Vaughn must issue an explanation.” You and I are in no position to demand anything. Anything info that we get is completely gratis.

    • Barbierir

      This doesn’t make any damn sense

    • Sanjeev

      That puts a big question mark on the IH-Rossi relations.
      Normally the gov officers do not lie in writing. (They lie orally all the time, because there are not many consequences, its called diplomacy).

      • Frank Acland

        My best information leads me to believe that the IH Rossi relationship is strong. Rossi himself said above on ‘his word of honour’ that relations with Industrial Heat has never been better.

    • deleo77

      I see one of two scenarios at this point:

      1. The IH guys knew this was a Wright/Krivit witch hunt so they said what they needed to say to get the investigators to go alway and stop with the inquiry. Even with this, I would guess that Rossi and the development of the e-cat is in Florida, and there isn’t any R&D going on in NC. So Rossi is living in his Miami condo and has a small IH team working on the e-cat near there. But Darden and Vaughn are still on board.

      2. Sometime throughout November or December Darden and Vaughn became convinced that there was nothing to the e-cat. They saw errors in the Lugano report and scientific advisers close to them were telling them that the e-cat simply didn’t work as believed. They shutdown the R&D in NC and let everyone go, and Rossi went back to Miami. Darden is quietly returning the money to the investors or diverting it into other investments and that is why the NC building is empty with nothing taking place there.
      Darden and Vaughn are distancing themselves from Rossi and the whole endeavor.

      Arguments could be made for either of these two scenarios. Without more information it is impossible to know the answer.

      • Option 2 seems unlikely, at least if we are assuming that 6025 Triangle Drive was the purported research base. As soon as that address became known some months ago, a number of commenters here used Google Street Map to view the property, and it was obviously just a small storage and loading facility, apparently empty and unused, with no company identification visible, i.e., exactly as described in the report. Clearly IH have never made use of the building.

        If there is an IH R&D facility in Raleigh, then IH presumably wouldn’t want anyone sniffing around there, and so sent the inspectors on a wild goose chase.

        • Ronzonni

          Do you think it’s a good idea to send government nuclear regulatory inspectors on a “wild goose chase”?

          • deleo77

            That’s why I don’t think any serious development of the e-cat is going on in NC. Vaughn wouldn’t lie to a state inspector like that and hide another facility in NC where the real work was being done. These inspectors are trying to determine if there is radiation being emitted. If they found out that Vaughn lied to them and there really was another secret facility in NC, both he and IH would be in serious trouble for doing that.

            As to the CFO of Cherokee not knowing who Rossi is, how can that be anything but a lie? Cherokee had to conduct a lengthy financial negotiation with Rossi to set up IH. Of course the CFO knows who Rossi is. But perhaps there isn’t much consequence to a lie like that, so he had no problem telling it.

            Do the NC investigators call their colleagues in FL to ask them to continue the investigation, or do they just drop the whole thing?

          • bachcole

            Good comment.

          • Not that it matters one iota what I think, but it seems to me that the Triangle Drive warehouse was probably serving the purpose it was acquired for by some very farsighted people. Unless JTV was asked the direct question, ‘does IH own or use any other premises in Raleigh?’ then he was under no obligation to disclose this information.

            It’s pretty certain that IH go to great lengths to ensure that the real locations they operate from are not listed in their name (or in the name of any part that could be easily traced back to IH) in any public records or anywhere on the internet. They would be unlikely to compromise these efforts lightly, certainly not in reaction to Wrights fishing expedition.

          • bachcole

            Change the word “Raleigh” to “North Carolina”, and you are right on. As long as the premises in question are not in North Carolina, Vaughn is under no obligation to tell the truth other than from his own conscience. And for me, my conscience would be delighted to hide the location from the State of North Carolina, Wright, Krivit, and anyone else. We are merely talking about the most important discovery and perhaps invention in the history of the world. “Cast not your pearls before swine.” In the case of skeptopaths, the word “swine” seems perfectly appropriate. In the case of everyone else, it is likely that they would not fully appreciate the importance for secrecy.

      • Frank Acland

        A couple of comments from Rossi when asked about where he works mainly:

        Andrea Rossi

        October 1st, 2014 at 7:48 PM

        Andre Blum:
        I am always in the USA, mainly in North Carolina and in Florida, focused on my work for Industrial Heat and IH’s Customer.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

        DTravchenko
        July 6th, 2014 at 8:41 PM
        Dear Andrea Rossi,
        Where are you exactly in this moment, if I can ask?
        D.T.

        Andrea Rossi

        July 7th, 2014 at 1:58 PM

        DTravchenko:
        Raleigh, North Carolina, USA; in the factory of Industrial Heat, in the heart of the Research Triangle, where many mammoth companies have their R&D centers.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

        • Sanjeev

          If the IH factory is at Research triangle, what is being manufacured in Florida ?

          • Frank Acland

            It’s not clear. Rossi’s home is in Florida, and he was making E-Cats there at one point. He has never said where the customer’s factory is, either.

      • Kaz

        #2 seems more plausible. See how this plays out if we get more relevant info.

      • Blazespin

        Scenario 1 seems more plausible to me. Rossi is crazy, but not so crazy to say things are all great with IH when they aren’t. Right? Right?

    • bachcole

      Dang! I got scooped by the Scooper-In-Chief!!!

  • JedRothwell

    Someone here quoted me from Vortex: “I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi?”

    Upon reflection, I suppose it is more like likely Vaughn was simply stating a fact. It is true that Rossi does not appear credible. Suppose an inspector from North Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: “regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream?” I would say “no, he doesn’t.” He has not published anything and he says controversial things.

    If Vaughn said something like that, I don’t see how anyone can criticize it.

    I think the Department of Health was wise to investigate this. If I were an official who heard about something like this, I would think it might be some amateur or a retired scientist playing games with radioisotopes. I think it is appropriate to send someone around with a Geiger counter.

    Perhaps it could have been settled with phone call.

    • JedRothwell

      I am suggesting that Vaughn may have said something like: “He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true.” When you take the first part of out context, it sounds bad.

      I think this is a tempest in a teapot.

    • bachcole

      If Vaughn is perfectly content with officials or anyone else NOT sniffing about, he might have said “Rossi does not have credibility in the scientific community.” And fail to mention the part about Rossi having huge credibility with Vaughn/Darden/I.H. Being hardcore about honesty myself, I can see Vaughn doing exactly that.

      • JedRothwell

        I do not follow what you mean about sniffing about. A state official asked to have a look around, and Vaughn let him look — as he should, of course. That’s all there is to it. Content or not content, when a safety inspector comes you should let him do his job.

        How do you know Vaughn “failed to mention” something? You did not hear the whole conversation. It seems likely Vaughn’s statement was taken out of context as well as “paraphrased.” In any case, this was an inspector looking for dangerous radioactive materials. Rossi’s credibility has nothing to do with his job. Technically, he should not have included that statement in the report. However, it is a trivial matter.

    • Daniel Maris

      Well yes, that is one explanation. There could be many explanations of how we got to that alleged paraphrase.

  • JedRothwell

    Someone here quoted me from Vortex: “I have no idea why J. T. Vaughn said what he said, but I expect he did say it. I do not think he is the sort of person who lies. Perhaps they are fed up with Rossi?”

    Upon reflection, I suppose it is more like likely Vaughn was simply stating a fact. It is true that Rossi does not appear credible. Suppose an inspector from North Carolina were to call me on the phone and ask: “regarding this fellow Rossi, does he have any credibility with the scientific mainstream?” I would say “no, he doesn’t.” He has not published anything and he says controversial things.

    If Vaughn said something like that, I don’t see how anyone can criticize it.

    I think the Department of Health was wise to investigate this. If I were an official who heard about something like this, I would think it might be some amateur or a retired scientist playing games with radioisotopes. I think it is appropriate to send someone around with a Geiger counter.

    Perhaps it could have been settled with phone call.

    • JedRothwell

      I am suggesting that Vaughn may have said something like: “He does not have credibility with the scientific community, but we have reason to believe his claims are true.” When you take the first part of that of out context, it sounds bad.

      I think this is a tempest in a teapot.

    • bachcole

      If Vaughn is perfectly content with officials or anyone else NOT sniffing about, he might have said “Rossi does not have credibility in the scientific community.” And fail to mention the part about Rossi having huge credibility with Vaughn/Darden/I.H. Being hardcore about honesty myself, I can see Vaughn doing exactly that.

      • JedRothwell

        I do not follow what you mean about sniffing about. A state official asked to have a look around, and Vaughn let him look — as he should, of course. That’s all there is to it. Content or not content, when a safety inspector comes you should let him do his job.

        How do you know Vaughn “failed to mention” something? You did not hear the whole conversation. It seems likely Vaughn’s statement was taken out of context as well as “paraphrased.” In any case, this was an inspector looking for dangerous radioactive materials. Rossi’s credibility has nothing to do with his job. Technically, he should not have included that statement in the report. However, it is a trivial matter.

        • bachcole

          You, the State of North Carolina, and I might all think that the inspector was there to do his job, a righteous job. But Vaughn may have not cared much for the intrusion.

          But, you are absolutely right about Rossi’s credibility not being any of the inspectors business, and why would Vaughn offer that opinion unsolicited? Was this something that the inspector misunderstood or invented? Was Vaughn trying to distance himself from Rossi? Who knows?

  • JDM

    Perhaps JTV was referring to the credibility of Rossi statements on JONP regarding things “nuclear”?

  • JDM

    Perhaps JTV was referring to the credibility of Rossi statements on JONP regarding things “nuclear”?

    • Blazespin

      Yeah, I think it’s plausible that JTV was simply trying to get rid of the government snoop. Still, pretty crazy.

  • US_Citizen71

    Maybe the answer is as simple as the E-Cat(product name for the low temperature model) is manufactured in Florida. The HotCat(product name for the high temperature model) has R&D/manufacturing in Raleigh but the inspector didn’t ask about the HotCat so Vaugh wasn’t forced to volunteer information about it. Answered a direct question with a direct answer, no more no less. The paraphrasing could be that Vaughn said “Rossi isn’t credible in saying that E-Cat manufacturing is in Raleigh”. Second hand paraphrased comments of a third party are only allowed and hold power in the court of public opinion and not in any legal court for a reason.

    • Blazespin

      Yeah, that’s true, Rossi could be misdirecting people so they don’t hassle him in Florida and Vaughn is just explaining that to the rep.

  • US_Citizen71

    Maybe the answer is as simple as the E-Cat(product name for the low temperature model) is manufactured in Florida. The HotCat(product name for the high temperature model) has R&D/manufacturing in Raleigh but the inspector didn’t ask about the HotCat so Vaughn wasn’t forced to volunteer information about it. Answered a direct question with a direct answer, no more no less. The paraphrasing could be that Vaughn said “Rossi isn’t credible in saying that E-Cat manufacturing is in Raleigh”. Second hand paraphrased comments of a third party are only allowed and hold power in the court of public opinion and not in any legal court for a reason.

    • bachcole

      Vaughn, people. Vaughn. Not Vaugh or Vaughan. High schools will be named after this dude, so let’s get his name right. (:->)

    • Blazespin

      Yeah, that’s true, Rossi could be misdirecting people so they don’t hassle him in Florida and Vaughn is just explaining that to the rep.

      • AlbertNN

        I would not recommend to misdirect the radiation protection agents, especially not if the aim is to get acceptance for manufacturing and marketing of a new device.

        • US_Citizen71

          If your device does not use any radioactive materials, produce them or anything other thermal radiation you don’t have to misdirect them just tell them the truth.

          Not aimed at you, but you can tell that a skeptic is employed in the hot fusion research scam by their insistence that radiation must be involved in Rossi invention.

    • Seaward

      Rossi has stated many times on JoNP in the last six months that he has a team in Research Triangle Park in NC. So it’s most than just misdirection.

      Remember in 2012 he claimed to have a plant in Florida, and a similar report came out showing he didn’t have one there either.

      • US_Citizen71

        You never know he might sponsor a peewee soccer team in Research Triangle Park in NC. That would count as his team wouldn’t it? ; ) He might have a research team there too just not at the address the inspectors went to. Neither report you refer to prove anything other than there was no radiologicals at either address the inspectors were sent to. You are grasping at straws.

  • Just got this in

    Mr. Simon,

    The report posted to http://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    David Crowley

    N.C. Department of Health and Human Services

    Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation

    5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612

    1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645

    Phone: 919-814-2303

    david.crowley@dhhs.nc.gov

    http://www.ncradiation.net

    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

    • Daniel Maris

      The fact they can’t get the date right is not confidence-inducing. Of course we’ve all made that mistake but this is a rather special line of work and the dating system for complaints is crucial.

  • Just got this in

    Mr. Simon,

    The report posted to http://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Please note that the allegation number should be labeled 2015-01 instead of 2014-01 because the investigation was the first one finalized in 2015. Anything stated within the report findings was in context to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    David Crowley

    N.C. Department of Health and Human Services

    Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation

    5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612

    1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645

    Phone: 919-814-2303

    david.crowley@dhhs.nc.gov

    http://www.ncradiation.net

    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

  • bachcole

    Well, bachcole gets a scoop. Below is an email that I just received:

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Roger,

    The report posted to http://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Anything stated within the report findings was in context
    to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    David Crowley

    N.C. Department of Health and Human Services

    Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation

    5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612

    1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645

    Phone: 919-814-2303

    david.crowley@dhhs.nc.gov

    http://www.ncradiation.net

    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    So, the report is real.

    • psi2u2

      Not quite….;)

      • bachcole

        Yeah, it looks like I am third or fourth to the party, but, hey, after first, who cares. (:-<)

        • psi2u2

          So the document is apparently legit. Where does that leave us?

          • Obvious

            With yet one more Rossi enigma.

          • JedRothwell

            The document shows that when someone reports a private company is developing a nuclear reactor in North Carolina, the appropriate authorities look into that to find out whether there is any risk to the public. They went to the site with radiation meters and determined there is no risk. That is what they are supposed to do.

            The report also includes a statement irrelevant to safety by a company officer, which was taken out of context and paraphrased. That statement should not have been included in the report. However, it is a trivial matter.

            As to whether there is a deeper meaning to that statement, or what the context was, the only way to establish that would be to ask Vaughn. On the face of it, he was simply telling the truth, that Rossi has no scientific credibility. I suppose Vaughn and inspector were chatting about the project and that subject came up. As I said below, if anyone asked me, I would certainly say Rossi has no credibility with the scientific community. I think Rossi himself would agree. I do not think he cares about that.

          • Timar

            Yet there are some more weird things stated in the report. Why did Vaughn send Mr. Vogelman – the Chorokee CFO – to play concierge in an vacant building? Why did Mr. Vogelman say that he did not know about Rossi?

          • JedRothwell

            “Why did Vaughn send Mr. Vogelman – the Chorokee CFO – to play concierge in an vacant building?”

            Presumably because he has the key. When a state inspector calls someone has to let them in. IH is a small company.

            “Why did Mr. Vogelman say that he did not know about Rossi?”

            Presumably because he does not know about Rossi. I know something about Rossi, but if a state Health and Safety Inspector were to ask me whether there might be radioactive waste in Rossi’s lab, I would say “I don’t know.”

            You are making a mountain out of a molehill. A state agency got a report that there might be a radioactive hazard. They investigated. They found nothing. The report included one sentence which taken out of context is puzzling but has nothing to do with the investigation and should not have been included. But that is a trivial issue.

          • Timar

            Maybe you are right, but it is a strange molehill still.

            You wrote that IH is a small company. Giving the exiting potential of Rossis technology for IH and the world at large, do you really think that the CFO(?) does not know about Rossi and IH’s investment in his technology, even if we assume that their recent statement gives an accurate impression about the breadth of their portfolio?

            The report says that “he stated that he was unaware of Mr. Rossi” – of Mr. Rossi, not about Mr. Rossi. I’m not a native speaker, but to me “unaware of a person” means that one does not know anything about the person, not that one does not know what the person is doing.

            Moreover, Mr. Vogelman is primarily the CFO of Cherokee, which is a billion dollar investment fund. It seems just a bit odd that Mr. Vaughn would send such an important executive if the matter didn’t contain significant weight to IH. For me the obvious interpretation is that Vaughn and Vogelman served the inspectors a red herring.

          • note that the CFO of a young company with a team of few dozens of engineers may be considered as an accountant.

            CFO for 50 employees, and CFO for Airbus Group is not the same reality.

            same for CTO, which have nothing to compare from a startup and a fortune 100 company (eg: the CTO of Airbus is the CEO of Airbus Innovation, and also CIO, chief innovation officer).
            The CFO of Airbus is probably less important than the CTO.
            That is the opposite in Goldman Sachs I imagine.

          • Bob

            The building inspection report was interesting. The fact that the building reportedly had absolutely nothing in it tends to support the view that the ‘plant’ being tested in the factory of the ‘customer’ is the same plant which was shown in earlier pictures.
            If it had undergone a complete redesign or upgrade you would expect there would at least be some benches and equipment and leftover parts there, or even the complete original plant if a new one was made and delivered.

          • psi2u2

            Very nice answer.

          • Daniel Maris

            We either have a company director who doesn’t do his job or we have a radiation bureau that don’t do their job…or someone is lying or has made a mistake.

          • psi2u2

            Good summary.

          • GreenWin

            I dunno. Maybe we got more evidence that the LENR enterprise is a black R&D compartment of the USA and allies. That would mean that you and I are sequestered in that compartment. Imagine!

    • Daniel Maris

      Well done Roger!

    • by the way how to interpret his notice that the allegation number is wrong ?

      is it a fake or not a fake ? or just a draft?

  • bachcole

    Well, bachcole gets a scoop. Below is an email that I just received:

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Roger,

    The report posted to http://www.freeenergyscams.com is in fact a copy of an original report from my office. Anything stated within the report findings was in context
    to an allegation investigation of radioactive material being utilized in North Carolina.

    Thank you for your inquiry.

    David Crowley

    N.C. Department of Health and Human Services

    Manager, Radioactive Materials Branch – Division of Health Service Regulation

    5505 Creedmoor Rd, First Floor, Raleigh, NC 27612

    1645 MSC, Raleigh NC 27699-1645

    Phone: 919-814-2303

    david.crowley@dhhs.nc.gov

    http://www.ncradiation.net

    http://www.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    So, the report is real.

    • psi2u2

      Not quite….;)

      • bachcole

        Yeah, it looks like I am third or fourth to the party, but, hey, after first, who cares. (:-<)

        • psi2u2

          So the document is apparently legit. Where does that leave us?

          • Obvious

            With yet one more Rossi enigma.

          • bachcole

            Since the 2013 Levi Report, I have not had any Rossi enigmas. Now I do, but not one that shakes my faith. Just a very slight curiosity.

          • Obvious

            What surprises me most is how fast this got sorted out. Usually when Rossi is involved there is a seemingly never-ending series of half verifications and partial answers with enough slack between the facts to support nearly any theory about what is actually going on.
            I guess the purpose of, or reason for, IH’s empty warehouse qualifies my first sentence.

          • GreenWin

            The “real” E-Cat burn-in tests are happening at an undisclosed location in the SW desert — aka “Warehouse 13.” Just ask Arnie.

          • US_Citizen71

            Actually the would be the northern midwest! ; )

          • maybe because it is Industrial heat who managed the story.
            E-cat is no more the owner of e-cat… he is an employee (with shares probably).

          • JedRothwell

            The document shows that when someone reports a private company is developing a nuclear reactor in North Carolina, the appropriate authorities look into that to find out whether there is any risk to the public. They went to the site with radiation meters and determined there is no risk. That is what they are supposed to do.

            The report also includes a statement irrelevant to safety by a company officer, which was taken out of context and paraphrased. That statement should not have been included in the report. However, it is a trivial matter.

            As to whether there is a deeper meaning to that statement, or what the context was, the only way to establish that would be to ask Vaughn. On the face of it, he was simply telling the truth, that Rossi has no scientific credibility. I suppose Vaughn and the inspector were chatting about the project and that subject came up. As I said below, if anyone asked me, I would certainly say Rossi has no credibility with the scientific community. I think Rossi himself would agree. I do not think he cares about that.

          • Timar

            Yet there are some more weird things stated in the report. Why did Vaughn send Mr. Vogelman – the Cherokee CFO – to play concierge in a vacant building? Why did Mr. Vogelman say that he did not know about Rossi?

          • JedRothwell

            “Why did Vaughn send Mr. Vogelman – the Chorokee CFO – to play concierge in an vacant building?”

            Presumably because he has the key. When a state inspector calls someone has to let them in. IH is a small company.

            “Why did Mr. Vogelman say that he did not know about Rossi?”

            Presumably because he does not know about Rossi. I know something about Rossi, but if a state Health and Safety Inspector were to ask me whether there might be radioactive waste in Rossi’s lab, I would say “I don’t know.”

            You are making a mountain out of a molehill. A state agency got a report that there might be a radioactive hazard. They investigated. They found nothing. The report included one sentence which taken out of context is puzzling but has nothing to do with the investigation and should not have been included. But that is a trivial issue.

          • Timar

            Maybe you are right, but it is a strange molehill still.

            You wrote that IH is a small company. Giving the exiting potential of Rossis technology for IH and the world at large, do you really think that the CFO(?) does not know about Rossi and IH’s investment in his technology, even if we assume that their recent statement gives an accurate impression about the breadth of their portfolio?

            The report says that “he stated that he was unaware of Mr. Rossi” – of Mr. Rossi, not about Mr. Rossi. I’m not a native speaker, but to me “unaware of a person” means that one does not know anything about the person, not that one does not know what the person is doing.

            Moreover, Mr. Vogelman is primarily the CFO of Cherokee, which is a billion dollar investment fund. It seems just a bit odd that Mr. Vaughn would send such an important executive if the matter didn’t contain significant weight to IH. For me the obvious interpretation is that Vaughn and Vogelman served the inspectors a red herring.

          • note that the CFO of a young company with a team of few dozens of engineers may be considered as an accountant.

            CFO for 50 employees, and CFO for Airbus Group is not the same reality.

            same for CTO, which have nothing to compare from a startup and a fortune 100 company (eg: the CTO of Airbus is the CEO of Airbus Innovation, and also CIO, chief innovation officer).
            The CFO of Airbus is probably less important than the CTO.
            That is the opposite in Goldman Sachs I imagine.

          • Bob

            The building inspection report was interesting. The fact that the building reportedly had absolutely nothing in it tends to support the view that the ‘plant’ being tested in the factory of the ‘customer’ is the same plant which was shown in earlier pictures.
            If it had undergone a complete redesign or upgrade you would expect there would at least be some benches and equipment and leftover parts there, or even the complete original plant if a new one was made and delivered.

          • bachcole

            All good questions.

          • psi2u2

            Very nice answer.

          • GreenWin

            I dunno. Maybe we got more evidence that the LENR enterprise is a black R&D compartment of the USA and allies. That would mean that you and I are sequestered in that compartment. Imagine!

    • by the way how to interpret his notice that the allegation number is wrong ?

      is it a fake or not a fake ? or just a draft?

  • deleo77

    That’s why I don’t think any serious development of the e-cat is going on in NC. Vaughn wouldn’t lie to a state inspector like that and hide another facility in NC where the real work was being done. These inspectors are trying to determine if there is radiation being emitted. If they found out that Vaughn lied to them and there really was another secret facility in NC, both he and IH would be in serious trouble for doing that.

    As to the CFO of Cherokee not knowing who Rossi is, how can that be anything but a lie? Cherokee had to conduct a lengthy financial negotiation with Rossi to set up IH. Of course the CFO knows who Rossi is. But perhaps there isn’t much consequence to a lie like that, so he had no problem telling it.

    Do the NC investigators call their colleagues in FL to ask them to continue the investigation, or do they just drop the whole thing?

  • Daniel Maris

    Quite. It’s probably an offence under some interpretation.

  • ecatworld
  • Frank Acland
  • Hi all

    Why was your daughter North Carolina DHHS files?

    Kind Regards walker

  • Obvious

    What surprises me most is how fast this got sorted out. Usually when Rossi is involved there is a seemingly never-ending series of half verifications and partial answers with enough slack between the facts to support nearly any theory about what is actually going on.
    I guess the purpose of, or reason for, IH’s empty warehouse qualifies my first sentence.

    • GreenWin

      The “real” E-Cat burn-in tests are happening at an undisclosed location in the SW desert — aka “Warehouse 13.” Just ask Arnie.

      • US_Citizen71

        Actually the would be the northern midwest! ; )

    • maybe because it is Industrial heat who managed the story.
      E-cat is no more the owner of e-cat… he is an employee (with shares probably).

  • US_Citizen71

    You never know he might sponsor a peewee soccer team in Research Triangle Park in NC. That would count as his team wouldn’t it? ; )

  • US_Citizen71

    If your device does not use any radioactive materials, produce them or anything other thermal radiation you don’t have to misdirect them just tell them the truth.

    Not aimed at you, but you can tell that a skeptic is employed in the hot fusion research scam by their insistence that radiation must be involved in Rossi invention.

  • protn7

    Invention stories.com published an interview that Robert Bear did with Neil Farbstein
    that discusses my chemonuclear fusion reactor. Its the lead story.

    http://inventionstories.com/

  • protn7

    Invention stories.com published an interview that Robert Bear did with Neil Farbstein
    that discusses my chemonuclear fusion reactor. Its the lead story.

    http://inventionstories.com/

  • Fortyniner

    Not that it matters one iota what I think, but it seems to me that the Triangle Drive premises was probably serving the purpose it was acquired for by some very farsighted people. Unless JTV was asked the direct question, ‘does IH use any other properties in Raleigh?’ then he was under no obligation to disclose this information.

  • note that David Crowley of Radioactive Materials Branch answered too

    https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg101479.html

    this challenge, only partially, the hypothesis taht the document is a fake

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/#comment-1836715826

    but David Crowley moan on the allegation numbering which is wrong…

    • oops bachhole got it before. congratulation and sorry.

  • note that David Crowley of Radioactive Materials Branch answered too

    https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg101479.html

    this challenge, only partially, the hypothesis taht the document is a fake

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/04/rossi-responds-to-publication-of-inspection-report/#comment-1836715826

    but David Crowley moan on the allegation numbering which is wrong…

    • oops bachhole got it before. congratulation and sorry.

      • bachcole

        bachcole, you goof. “bach” as in Johann Sebastian Bach, and “cole” as in Thomas Cole, an early American painter who I like very much. bachcole Try to get it right next time, you and everyone else.

        (:->)