Bob Greenyer of the MFMP Invited to Moscow by Parkhomov, Feb 26th. [Update #2: Bob Arrives in Moscow]

UPDATE#2 (Feb 25, 2015)

Bob Greenyer just posted this comment:

Hi All,
I have finally reached my accommodation in the centre of Moscow. Everything went smoothly but I am completely exhausted – tomorrow I have to present to around 100 experimentalists and still need to finish the presentation. Soon, I will rest.
The experiment is definitely on for Friday, Parkhomov said it took him the usual two days of preparation to m ake the reactor.

UPDATE#1 (Feb 19, 2015)

Bob Greenyer posted this today:

“Accommodation booked. Looks increasingly like we will be running an experiment together on the 27th.”

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This is an interesting update from Bob Greenyer:

A. Parkhomov has invited me to come 26th Feb.

I have spent quite a lot of time over the past few days trying to do the ground work to get a Visa. Tomorrow, I have to big time commit and it will take me a further 2 days next week in the UK to get the paperwork organised.
Anyone who has specific things they want captured, let us know at [email protected]

This sounds like a great opportunity — I think that there will be lots of interest in this visit, if Bob can get everything organized visa-wise. For English speakers it will be especially interesting, since a lot of what we have seen so far has come from translations. I hope Bob’s Russian is up to snuff! (Or at least he has someone on hand to translate).

Good luck, Bob — hope the red tape is not too much to get through.

  • Wlad Guglinski

    Andrea Rossi deleted a comment in his blog Journal of Nuclear Physics, because he does not want the readers take knowledge of some facts.
    The comment was printed before to be deleted:

    http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Andrea%2C_tell_to_greiner.png%5D
    THE COMMENT WAS THE FOLLOWING:

    · Wladimir Guglinski

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    February 11th, 2015 at 2:15 PM

    Andrea Rossi wrote in
    February 11th, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Wladimir Guglinski:

    Let me anyway invite you to study “Nuclear Models” of Greiner – Maruhn (
    Springer, Berlin 1996, available on Amazon) in particular pp 75- 206, to get
    some useful foundamentals regarding photons.

    ———————————————————–

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    I will read the Greiner’s book with great pleasure, if you tell me what is the
    page of the book where he shows the nuclear model able to explain this
    fundamental premisse in Nuclear Physics: why the even-even nuclei with Z=N
    have null magnetic moment ?.

    As you known, it’s a
    fundamental puzzle to be solved by the Standard Nuclear Physics.

    As you know too, any
    nuclear model unable to explain that fundamental premise of Nuclear Physics is
    unacceptable, because any nuclear model unable to solve that puzzle violates
    a fundamental law of Physics: the monopolar nature of the electric charges.

    If the book does not
    exhibit any nuclear model able to explain it, then of course no one among the
    models exhibited in the book is correct, and therefore all of them are unacceptable.

    And obviously it is a waste
    of time to study nuclear models which beforehand we already know to be wrong.

    I will be waiting you tell
    me the page of the book.

    I will be eagerly waiting your response.

    .

    NOTE: if you dont remember
    the page, of course Greiner can tell you, and so I suggest you to ask him what
    is the page of the book, sending him an email.

    regards

    wlad

    • Eyedoc

      Help me understand this…..So is the’ “pp 75-206′ ” ARossi ‘s reply to your question ?? or is that what you were questioning to get a more specific page?? was there no further reply ?

    • Anon2012_2014

      Immaterial. Even if Rossi is a good inventor/experimentalist, he is not a nuclear physicist.

      No information content here except maybe Rossi didn’t want to try and suggest a particular page (as opposed to a 130 page range), most likely because he is not a nuclear physicist. Why should we expect Rossi to be an expert in nuclear physics.

      If the experiments of Rossi are later proven by multiple third parties to make excess energy, the physics will be debated for the next few years. The incontrovertible evidence will focus the attention of multiple physicists to get an effective model of the effect.

  • Robert Ellefson

    Document, document, document. The information you gather does some good residing in your own head, but it will have a much larger impact if you manage to capture what you learn and then pass it on with durable documentation. I’m hoping that some amount of the Piantelli trip can still be shared this way too, btw. Good luck!

  • Anon2012_2014

    Worthwhile trip. Waiting to hear Bob’s reporting.

  • Eyedoc

    Good Luck with the trip Bob…hopefully you will be there long enough to 1) do several physical builds yourself.with A. Parkhomov, refining your skills as it were…….2) and see what A. Parkhomov views as the next step in this process, such as ‘can this method be enlarged to any degree, without losing COP’ or must it be many small units like AR’s plant.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Eyedoc,

      Sadly I can only do two full days and an in and out day. It does appear that I will get a chance to talk with a fair number of the Russian LENR researchers on the first day. I have made a proposal to Alexander for the second day, we shall see if it is possible, Ideally I would like to capture a run and the sealing process on film for everyone, but, as we have discovered this year already, you get what you get, but Alexander seams to be willing to be open which is a big help with getting the knowledge out and establishing truth.

      • Eyedoc

        Sounds wonderful….Thanks for all your efforts, and pass along our thanks to AP

  • Not too much Vodka Bob.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Sadly I get gout, which is really annoying when you live in beer heaven (Czech)

  • builditnow

    Andrea Rossi Vindicated? Cold Fusion Takes Another Step Towards Credibility

    Oilprice.com today

    http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Andrea-Rossi-Vindicated-Cold-Fusion-Takes-Another-Step-Towards-Credibility.html

    • Agaricus

      A good summary of the state of play by Brian Westerhaus – largely drawn from information that appeared first on this forum I suspect. It’s very much about continuing ‘work in progress’ and shouldn’t scare Oilprice’s readers too much.

  • Alain Samoun

    @ Bob
    Of course it will be interesting to know if and what were the results of an isotopic analysis of the ashes.

    • Bob Greenyer

      We understand that work in that direction is being facilitated by one of our collaborators, it takes time though.

      • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

        if his reactors are prone to early failure, this might be difficult, as it would take time to build up ash products.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Agreed

  • David_Kaiser_39

    Bob, i’m impressed about what you are doing for the LENR community. While every millionaire i know laughs when I’m mentioning LENR, you just make things done. Thank you so much.

  • Bob Greenyer

    We offerred to pay for him to build one and ship it to us in Italy so we could run a live experiment mid Jan there with all the equipment we had brought with us. He declined and we since found out why, they are highly prone to failure. Let’s see what can be done.

  • Good Luck Bob and the rest of the MFMP team:)

    Kind Regards walker

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks, Alexander has just written and offered to pick me up from the airport!

      I am a little further on with the Visa application.

  • JDM

    Refreshing to see this level of cooperation completely devoid of any political BS that our “leaders” would have us embrace.

  • LuFong
  • Gerard McEk

    I could not find details of what MFMP plans on their site but I may not have looked at the right place. Are any tests in the planning or do they wait until they have received details from Alexander Parkhomov?

    • Bob Greenyer

      If Alexander can get the parts together, we plan to run a 10-12 hour full experiment of the type he has already run. I have been coordinating with another scientist on helping make this happen and also the possibility of organising streaming. I must caution that this is NOT a certain thing, but something I am trying to make happen. Alexander wants to, but wanting to is not always enough to make it so.

      Whatever happens I will capture as much detail as I can from the trip and share it. I will also be sharing directly with them our recent experience in US and plans for future work with a view to fostering even great openness and transparency.

      • Gerard McEk

        I hope that it will be a fruitful co-operation with Alexander Bob, thanks for your reply.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Visa application submitted in London. Wish me luck!

          Alexander is not comfortable with being on video, and that must be respected. He is trying to prepare an experiment so that we can do a run and he is happy for photos to be taken whatever happens.

          • Gerard McEk

            I hope Putin will open the door and that everything works out fine. Good luck!

          • artefact

            You could ask to video tape it but don’t show anyone. If something interesting happens you could extract pictues of the event. There may be not enough time to get the camera ready to take a picture manually in all cases.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I will see what can be done.

          • James Rice

            I wonder if Dr. Parkhomov has considered some sort of crowdfunding to pay for supplies? I’d be willing to contribute…

          • Bob Greenyer

            I’d be happy to hand him some green weighing paper!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Visa approved, passport in post. Flights and other transport booked.

    • ecatworld

      Very good news, Bob!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Accommodation booked.

        Looks increasingly like we will be running an experiment together on the 27th.

      • edog

        awesome!!!

  • roseland67

    Charts, graphs and waveforms Bob,
    Time, temp, current, voltage, wire dia.,
    Try single phase ac or DC for heater

    Was there a curent or voltage event pre rupture etc.
    good luck

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Besides, it would be important to learn more about the calibration procedure. Any changes in the setup in comparison to the active runs should be documented.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I will launch a page on our main site and a live google doc to capture everyones proposals.

    • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer

    Dear Hank,

    We must first be lucky that it does not leak, and then be lucky that it does not fail before getting to temperature. I will asking him if we can look for a HAD. Maybe a few attempted SSM periods also.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Dear James,

    If you make a donation on our site, and include “Parkhomov” in the paypal comments. I will pass him whatever that translates to.

  • Bob Greenyer

    If anyone would like me to hand some support to Alexander, if you donate on our site and include “Parkhomov” in the paypal comments, I will pass on whatever the funds translate to when I see him.

    This trip has been funded by the savings made on the thermal assessment experiments for []=Project Dog Bone=[]. We want to extend our deep gratitude to all those that made that work possible.

    • Bob Greenyer

      We have received $510 from donors to date!

      • builditnow

        Has anyone tried using kickstarter or similar for MFMP funding?
        https://www.kickstarter.com/

        • Bob Greenyer

          We have always intended to, but we have very strict standards on what would trigger that.

          Having said that, we are minded to do one to enable a very serious long term series of experiments, including Piantelli and Parkhomov threads in addition to the Celani Gamma experiment that Mathieu is again calibrating this week. Plus, something that no one could predict or expect…

          Stay tuned!

      • builditnow

        Bob, not sure you got my post on reactor test bed design, I’ll add it here in the hope that you receive it.

        Hank and Bob the designs so far leave the heat loss uncontrolled and control the heat input.
        How about designs that also control the heat loss.
        Insulation and controlled forced air cooling would do this.
        Since the reaction is exothermic, once up to temperature, only the heat loss
        needs to be controlled. You would have hot air with zero input of power, just an air blower system which no one would debate (ok, some will try) is creating the heat. Measure the temperature of the air blowing in, the air blowing out, disconnect all heaters.
        There really can’t be any argument at that point.

        If electromagnetic stimulation is part of the secret sauce, then cooled
        multi turn copper coils outside the insulation could do this with small
        amounts of power. The power could very likely be so small that only
        the most dedicated anti LENR team would mention it. 50 watts of
        electromagnetic stimulation with correctly designed winding would create
        very strong magnet pulses. 50 watts / 2000 watts = 2.5% of the power
        generated. Case closed.
        Start plans for mass production air heaters …. 🙂

        Bob, pass my appreciation on to the entire MFMP team for their excellent work and open access to the experiments.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks for your suggestions, Bob Higgins is designing some forced air heating into his design, perhaps, if ever SSM was achieved, this could be used to regulate it.

          I will pass on your appreciation.

  • Alain Samoun

    Does the postponing of the conference has changed the planing of the visit of Bob to Moscow?

  • Hi Bob, I wonder if there is any chance Parkhomov would be interested in presenting at ICCf 19 in April. Perhaps some $ can be raised for his traveling expences.

  • Gerard McEk

    Good trip tomorrow, Bob and a fruitful co-operation with Alexander. When have you planned to return?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hi All,

    I have finally reached my accommodation in the centre of Moscow. Everything went smoothly but I am completely exhausted – tomorrow I have to present to around 100 experimentalists and still need to finish the presentation. Soon, I will rest.

    The experiment is definitely on for Friday, Parkhomov said it took him the usual two days of preparation to make the reactor.

    • Ged

      Congratulations! Fantastic success getting that visa to visit. Good luck on the presentation, we are all rooting for you!

      Looking forward to Friday’s details too. Have fun!

    • Bob Matulis

      Thanks for the update. Very much looking forward to reports from Moscow!

    • Teemu Soilamo

      It’s ON like Donkey Kong!

      • Mike Ivanov

        Forgive my ignorance, but I did not see (m.b. just missed) the explanation about the way how exactly the heat is measured in Parkhomov experiment. Also are any data about how calibration was made?

    • rats123

      God speed Bob.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks Rats

  • Gerrit

    It’s 7PM in Moscow now. No wodka for you Bob, not until you post an update 🙂

  • morse

    If you see Snowden, ask him why the U.S. has debunked CF for over 25 years !

  • llsurfer

    The fact that there will be a demo tomorrow is a very pleasant surprise! Tomorrow could be an epic day for LENR and MFMP!

  • Sanjeev
  • rats123

    I hope this is conclusive.

  • Daniel Maris

    All the best Bob – hope it all goes well. 🙂

  • Patrick Ellul
  • Bob Greenyer

    Update on yesterday here

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    Experiment is planned to start 14:00 today.

    • Great news!

      Will you have a google hangout stream?

      Thank you for your effort!

  • ecatworld

    Semi-OT: High tension in Moscow —

    Russia opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead

    http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061

    • Ged

      Yeah, this is worrisome news. Something bad is going down on the political world stage, and this is just one piece of the growing puzzle.

      Stay safe, Bob.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Given todays events, I want to keep a low profile. Just going to sleep ( it is 3 AM here ) an utterly exhausting day. LOTs to share… I have to be up in a few hours to catch my flight.

    • ecatworld

      Thanks Bob — safe trip home.

    • Patrick Ellul

      @bobgreenyer:disqus We can’t wait to hear all about it. Safe trip home.

    • I hope he has not overslept 🙂

  • peter gluck

    Safe trip, dear Bob!
    A 5-7 words report will be OK especially if you call “excess heat” “it”

    Peter

  • Somebody wake Bob up. He’s had enough sleep.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      Seriously.

    • Curbina

      You’re forgeting the Jet lag. 🙂

  • Bob Greenyer

    First update.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    Need to spend time with my family! Will start laying everything out tomorrow.

    • Gerrit

      thanks!

    • rats123

      Oh Bob, I was hoping for so much better. Flu? Really? Just sounds like another attempt to stall.

      If you were not there for the completion of the test how can you draw any conclusions about the experiment?

      • Bob Greenyer

        rats123, there is a lot of new information to share, photos, video and insight into the experiment and preparation. Please, be patient. I wish we could have afforded 10 people to go, but we could not. I wish I could have stayed for a month, but I have to feed my family and my partner is expecting our daughter any day now, I was not willing to passover my own childs birth. I can assure you, most of the information that could be shared will be, being there for even a little longer would have provided marginal benefit.

        As for sickness, I was trying to be desecrate, Alexanders wife was really ill, I saw that, he had to leave the seminar to go tend to her the previous evening, please, have some respect, he is retired – and as I will share, he is both an experienced and accomplished scientist and working in the only environment he could, which is a difficult one on many fronts.

        • Josh G

          Bob, rat’s comment made me angry. Your patient and dignified reply is a sign of your integrity and far more than rat’s entitled, disrespectful and totally inappropriate comment deserved.

          From the rest of us, best wishes to you and your wife on your new child as we *patiently* wait for you to make time in your busy schedule to share with us news from your latest selfless and pioneering endeavors.

      • EEStorFanFibb

        gee whiz rats. if you believe in karma you should send MFMP a good whack of cash to make up for that ignorant post. lol

  • Mats002

    Great job! Send thanks to your family from a peanut.

  • Alain Samoun

    “The way the data is capture simply does not allow for a real time understanding and therefore, one can only determine the result after collecting the data together and analysing it post run”
    Hum… How to explain that? Recording live temperature from a TC is straight forward, I can only understand analysing a post run data to determine a COP…

  • Alain Samoun

    “But you are offensive many times”
    John: You are the first one to tell me that, but it is possible, depending what and to who I’m supposed to be offensive to?

    Concerning your posts,I’m unable to judge if you have been “offensive” yourself in the past, as clicking on your name doesn’t show anything. Hope you have nothing to hide.
    Reading your post above:
    “the month of March will finally be the beginning of the rest of our days”
    Should I say that is a profound constatation, my friends from the church tell me that every day…. (No offence)
    Anyway, I wish you the best in your new endeavor of Low energy nanoscale reactions. Give us a link when you can.

  • Bob Greenyer